Who is Better - NESS or LUCAS
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Fun fact: Ness speaks with a Japanese accent, despite his game being the only one to release in the US. Lucas speaks with an American accent, despite his game never leaving Japan.
EarthBound Beginnings/Mother 1 was released outside Japan officially a long time ago.
MsDarkz123 Ness is from EarthBound (Mother 2), which was the only Mother series game available to the US until EBB in 2015.
Ness looks more japanese than Lucas, that may be the case
Not to mention ness is from EAGLELAND
the Japanese aren’t allowed to make an American character? lol and ness is a Japanese character so why would he speak with any other accent ?
just from this guide i can already see that lucas is grossly misunderstood
yup
He really really is but is finally getting a little bit more recognition & awareness of his potential & being a great underrated character
I’ll say this. Lucas is TERRIFYING in the right hands. He’s so underrated.
Yeah. He has some amazing edge guards, dummy strong moves, stupidly good ledge traps, and great combos.Lucas can consistently bring you to 25% with DTilt DTilt FTilt
I have a friend who's playing Lucas and I have realised lucas is just really good with his combos, confirm, ledgetrap, djcz etc..
i know *viatnum flashbacks*
True but in general ness sees more success at higher levels. They are both pretty good tbh.
Koopatroopa gaming Oh yeah no question. I play them both lol, really enjoyable.
didn’t even mention psi magnet
or pk freeze
or pk flash
but he mentioned double jump cancel zair
Stefan Habedank That move is really only good as a mix up. If your enemy knows what you’re doing then PK Freeze is pretty easy to avoid
Furret The Byleth Main though I do have to agree that pk freeze is easy ish to avoid, it can be used as a way to make the opponent use their resources offstage. Lucas has a relative strong ledge trap game also so if they do I’m avoid it, it’s not the end of the world.
Lucas does not at ALL lack a good advantage. He has So many followups off of nair, which is a combo tool, up air and even fair.
Literally all his aerials can combo. He has one of the best combo games of the entire cast, much much better than ness's
I agree also you my favorite player to watch as a Lucas main myself
He really does. I mean sure, Ness has less end-lag on his aerials and is just easier to play and over all has a good kit. Lucas’s air attacks combo better than Ness’s (besides Fair) Lucas’s kit is literally really freaking good, he just has A LOT of tools and it’s kind of hard to master all of them. Lucas has better kill power than Ness and better specials then him but as the game gets longer, he kind of loses his neutral and it’s harder to kill with him. They still should buff Lucas a little bit to make him better. Lucas will always be my favorite character!💙 you’re also my favorite Lucas player’ keep on playin him
Mystical Assassin He has SO many kill setups
his neutral is his only issue, which in smash is one of the most important.
If they gave lucas better out of shield options, like making nair quicker or junk like that he'd be much safer on shield which is what he needs.
As for neutral, It's really not all that bad. Sure it's super lackluster but as a zoner there's not much else you need or can do
Blucas! Saying Lucas has a better combo game than Ness is definitely a reach
Keylogram_ 314 I definitely CANNOT agree
Lucas has so many more followups off all his aerials compared to ness.
Like up air, which is more consistent since it doesn't rely on multiple hits, combos into itself and other moves more times than ness's up air.
Lucas has less followups off of fair but it's definitely still possible to follow up with other moves like DJCZ, dash attack, or even ftilt if their % is low enough.
Down air is unparalleled by ness's down Air when it comes to followups since dair loops are a thing without a doubt.
Unlike ness, lucas actually has followups off of grounded spike bair, and even uses the sour spot for tech chases.
Lastly, Nair. I promise you without any regret lucas's nair is FAR better than ness's as a combo tool. Practically all his aerials can followup as a true combo.
You may argue that ness has magnet, which I can agree is a fantastic combo tool, but it's honestly no better than Lucas's DJCz
and you might say that dthrow combos are a thing.
And I'm here to argue that ness's down throw really has no followups after 30%, except maybe in the most situational of situations. Lucas Dthrow combos into fair as well At 0%, so at least he has that.
Fun fact: in Brawl, There are 4 unused tracks of The Mother Series that were cut from the final game because of licencing issues:
1. Hippie Battle Theme
2. Smiles and Tears (Brawl)
3. Eight Melodies
4. Because I love You
Fell in love with the 3rd one! Thanks!
@@upgradeamongus there were 13 more songs that didn't make it into the final game, look it up on TH-cam☝ *"SSBB The Lost Tracks"*
@@JoshuaSmith-hd4bm Will do thanks
Hippie Battle Theme is amazing
Because i love you wouldve been amazing, however we got fourside which is pretty much the same so
As a ness main, thank you for not talking too long about pk fire, the move is very overrated and people don't seem to understand.
I've never understood it either lol, i've been playing ness for years and i keep telling people that Pk fire is not that good and then everyone get irritated with me lol
@@88shrek English has left the chat. Also why would a bad move be annoying. Not saying ok fire is bad, just saying it's not that good.
@@ItsViiiiiiii lol he just accidentally mispelled not cool down
@@bonjour7209 And he missed a comma. How dare he?!?!?!?!!
@@ItsViiiiiiii English has left the chat. Its annoying because of the voice, as well as how long the move takes to get out of. It's a boring move to fight against. You just adi to the side.
“Lucas lacks the offensive aerials to chase down opponents”
B R U H W H A T
He meant it in comparison to Ness specifically. Lucas has good aerial game, but Ness's is just way better in terms of combo potential, frame data and how safe it is.
@@sirdabsalot1yt83 bair spikes
@@sirdabsalot1yt83 I just wanted to say that.
@@sirdabsalot1yt83 djc zair, thats literally the whole point of the tech
SirdabsaLoT1 YT approaching with shorthop nair, djcz, and fair are all options
LUCAS MAINS WHERE YOU AT?
Hiiii
Hiiii
I am here
He is i
I is he
Lucas and Ness are mi favorites
but Lucas has a special place in my heart
blucas if you are watching this, i love you
Oh, his comment is just above this one. Take a look :D
@@vick7868
I didn't notice, thanks
Definitely Ness he has the "Okay" taunt
"Up air can't combo"
Me: "Lucas can get 48% from 4 up airs which is true
Actually 5 if you do 2 landing up-airs and then a fullhop up-air after that
It can also kill.
Its not true you probably got it on a level 3 cpu
thicc c0ol y0shi it is true. I even tested it multiple times on DI away and no DI with a second controller on pichu, fox and jigglypuff and they could not escape the combo.
The only difficult part is reading their DI.
Fun fact originally onett was going to have it look like the invasion was starting and have a UFO hold the stage
lucas has the sauce, the sunflower field has loads of information if you want to main him 👀
Lucas is floater than Ness. He doesn’t have a family weighing him down
Underrated comment
Ooooohhhhhhhh!!!!
holy sh*t man you killed him
lucas has arguably the best mobility options if mastered. take a look at psi magnet and wavebouncing, his djc, and you can push yourself in the air with pk fire too if you struggle with landing. but overall ness is still better because you can't do multiple consecutive complicated inputs 100% of the time, especially online. lucas has more potential if you can consistently execute moves though
i could argue easier combos mean superior combo game tho. afterall pk freeze is better because its easier to execute right? pk flash is more powerful so it kills earlier, but having that potential is not great if its harder to pull out.
I would say Ness and Lucas are pretty much even as far as movement imo
His terrible out of shield game bad run speed and horrible range makes up for it
Actually, his run speed is actually slightly faster than Ness’ 🤓
I feel like ness is more user friendly. Both have great potential, but ness has less end lag and moves a bit faster far as gameplay. Now Lucas has great potential, if played right, he can use his tether to mix up and his recovery is better, to a degree, then ness's.
I feel like Lucas moves faster in gameplay.
I am going to have to disagree. Comparing the movement options of the two, Lucas’ are far stronger because of how he is able to wavebounce and b reverse is down and side special. It makes coming down from platforms and mixing up your opponent a million times easier
@@nathangonsalves7040 again I think they both are good, a good or even pro Lucas is not something to take lightly. I've seen some crazy short nair and dair loop combos that are crazy and consistent. Both are respectable characters to me. But they are not the same like some say but no means
Fun facts: It's actually the fourth hit of dair that spikes. Who knew???
I’ve played Ness three times two were classic mode runs
I play Lucas quite a bit
NINTEN WHERE ARE YOU?
I love how both have insane edgeguarding and 2-framing tools.
I like how he sd's after the fair string lol
I love cosmos' voice as commentary, just something about it is really good for narration or teaching
Lucus because he isn’t as annoying
L U C U S lol
People which say that Ness is annoying are annoying to me so please stop roasting on this poor kid, he deserves more love
@@The_Gabe I honestly like fighting Ness
@@smashssf2_ssbc15 , I like fighting with him
gotta be honest as a lucas main i would've appreciated this video a lot more from someone who had put more than maybe 2 hours of practice into the character
the basic important things that you missed to capitalize on lucas optimal playstyle:
advantage state is very oppressive but requires reading and capitalizing on enemies teching, which sour spot f-tilt, regular f-tilt, d-tilt (frame 3), jab (frame 2!!), pk fire all result in tech situations at low percents (lucas is phenomenal at punishing tech from anywhere on stage but doing so is not easy in the hands of a weaker player). playing around tech situations effectively lets lucas control the pace of the game and is good at putting your opponent into a panicked state and crumble under the pressure.
counter to this is lucas very weak disadvantage. he has a very slow air dodge and almost all rush down characters can react to a lucas trying to air-dodge out of a juggle. landing as lucas is difficult without mixing up BUT once reset to neutral lucas can camp/zone and mix effectively again.
lucas has a lot of pressure and kill confirms and amazing off-stage but is effectively bottle-necked by his disadvantage. he isn't too light and has a small hurtbox but he really suffers against rushdowns once they get in and keep him in a string of reading his landings. my best advice to playing lucas is to play the game around tech situations, ledge-trapping and edge-guarding, and mixing up between his zoning and camping and crossing up with nair or running up with jab or running up with shield into jab.
i would probably put him below ness in his current meta, but i dont think this video really does him justice
Yeah PK Freeze is highly underrated with the amount of lower percentage kills I get when an opponent is off stage. Mixing that and PK Thunder is huge.
These two can become extremely hype. Change my mind
I'm telling you right now, the only reason people think ness is better than Lucas is because we have yet to see Lucas at his full potential and on top of that there are way less Lucas players than ness players. It's like comparing apples to oranges like yeah they are both fruit but have completely different flavors.
Perhaps. At the same time, he can't really be better if nobody takes him too that level that you're projecting he's capable of reaching. Either way, the two don't seem very far apart.
We’ll said
so the commentator is right, in the end , ness is proven better , because ppl have shown that. And there arent enough ppl proving lukas , because theres not enough ppl doing it. But i also agree, its just about taste. appples or oranges. everyone thinks theirs has better combo potential because they experiance it differently over the other character. but like you said, apple or orange , its not like we are comparing 2 characters likle joker and zss vs terry and shit.
i can make an arguement. as aplayer who uses lucas a lot. there are some stuff i have to say. lucas's attacks deal significantly moree damage then ness and has a feature with pk thunder. ness's pk fire is a multi hit but pk thunder isnt. lucas's pk fire isnt a multi hit but pk thunder is. so lucas can travel with pk thunder more and catch more opponents. if u also havent noticed ness's pk thunder when it hits someone it pushes them forward which gives them a better chance at recovering lucas pk thunder can go for multiple opponents who are trying to recover.
I‘m lucas main since he has been added. Before i played ness. Lucas moveset just fits my playstyle way better but i think if you compare the framedata ness should definitely have way more less punishable moves.
But still i‘m quite happy with lucas. It would be cool if they buff lucas rocket that move is kind of ridiculous the way it is now. And the hitbox of magnet and the effectiveness of the windbox. Then all thats left is the missing up throw into whatever and lucas would do way better
Same
What kind of buff are u looking for from pk2? Lucas’s is already way better than ness’s (coming from Lucas main)
Thomas Tyo in terms of range it’s better but Ness’ moves faster and kills considerably earlier. Makes people think twice before coming out to edge guard
Keylogram_ 314 it also is harder to trap people with lucas’ pkt than with ness’ and lucas’ isn’t consistent even when the opponent doesn’t sdi the move.
Keylogram_ 314 but it’s better for recovering because it goes farther than ness’ and it goes through opponents (if you do a half circle towards the ledge then it will hit the person if they try to attack you from the side).
Lucas is 10x more fun to play as IMO
I main Joker but I don’t have full capability because I am not fully use to doing combos and especially air combos so I decided to pick these boys up. Couldn’t decide which was better though
As the meta develops i see lucas coming out on top. The zair trains , idj combos from up tilt, insane edge guarding and crazy recovery mix ups has raised Lucas's potential through the roof
Whats about PK Freeze?
All mother 3 fans just died a little... including me
Yea same XD
I think it might have been good to mention the difference in highly technical movement between ness and lucas. Lucas' djcz in combination with wavebounces and b reverses make his micro spacing insane, especially when you mix up between using psi magnet and pk freeze. This is incredibly important considering lucas is more zoning heavy than ness. It might also have been important to mention that lucas' pk freeze is a pretty useful edgeguarding option that can be used in conjunction with down smash at ledge or going offstage due to its low end lag.
I just like how you didn't even mention the down and neutral B's when that is one of the biggest differences
I love both ness and lucas but i think i like ness the most
I use Lucas more because he is funnier
As a Lucas main...Ness is better
But Lucas has a lot of tools that are pretty underrated amongst the smash community.
As lucas main i need to know which one of the earth bound boys i should main.
I spend more time playing lucas. I like blue.
Blue has nothing to do with Lucas, if anything it has more to do with Ness because of his shirt, and the Happy Happyists from his game.
2:15 such as mkleo
oof zero
yep lol rip they aint gonna advertise that anymore
Who? Sounds like a complete zero
I laughed so hard when he only mentioned Mkleo cus.. you know☠️☠️
Do you expect them to colab with a predator lol.
Played against a lucas online that literally kept spamming only 2 moves which were pk freeze and pk fire. I lost. I wanted to get mad, which I did but then I thought... If I was good I wouldn't have lost.
Proguides: lucas's dair has 3 hits
Me: CAN U COUNT THERE IS 4 HITS
You guys don’t know what to do now with keitaro not being able to finish that series 🤦♀️
The Lucas love in the comments is so nice to see
yea. TEAM LUCAS
So basically Ness is a More attack type and Lucus is more of a defense type
Bro didn't even try to mention magnet and flash/freeze
don't really know why but i enjoy so much more playing lucas than ness
Lucas down smash is evenly good as ness yo yo, it’s harder to land, but this stronger
Lucas's pk freeze is deadly for people with high percentages it just launches them straight of stage also, lucas is my number 1 main I am so good as him, ness is my third main or second, I think it depends on who's playing as the characters though
Ness' yo yo at the ledge is definitely avoidable if you hold down on your control stick. Just watch bestness' video on it
I think ness is definitely better but i enjoy playing lucas more because of his Bair.
I love ness since early smash games, and he’s an og smash characters but ppl hate him and for what Bc his voice is annoying? So silly
ppl hate him and call him spammy because they keep loosing him.
Dude, Lucas experienced his mother die, his brother Claus being possessed by a drago, his dad being not able to help him with this situation, and Lucas making a new team.
I love how you didn’t mention PSI Freeze or pulse between the two of them
Honestly, Lucas bc he is more powerful
Lol
Lucas mains unite
Ness wins the Lucas matchup
Delmilbakuth it’s even lol.
NESS ALL THE WAY WHOS WITH ME
Ness when trying to recover: Am I close enough to air dodge? No? Is the guy coming? Yes? Uh oh...
Lucas when trying to recover: I am 3 highly effective ways getting back to stage ahead of you. And then I'm going to spike you. Or use PK Freeze 85,000,000 times.
Ness pk thunder dont only knockback up but in the direction the thunder hits from
Ness all day baby, Bumble Bee Alt!
Indestruct1ble nah. Lucas all day, Masked Man Alt!
@@hellothere6222 thanks for ripping us off
Lane Riddle ?
Lucas Dair loops are kinda broken though.
He said there were three hits of his fair in the video lol
I just wish Lucas had more consistent moves. Whether or not you hit your combo or not is a toss up. I don't want a Lucas buff just a tweak to the angles
Consistent moves? what do you mean by that?
Lucas’ dair is stupidly easy to fall out of
Is there a specific reason the neutral and down specials weren't touched on?
In smash 4, Lucas by a large margin. In ultimate it’s definitely ness no doubt
Also rip keitaro😂
lol I was thinking the same thing about keitaro
Ness End of discussion
Don't believe what they said, ness' combos and yo yo gimmicks are fake
"PK thunder"? More like PK lightning if you ask me. Thunder is a sound from the sky, not a lightning strike.
Great video. A little confused that you spent so much time talking about a snake zair tech over the tech that both ness and lucas share since smash 4. Being able to up B twice if they hit the stage correctly and up B again. All pro ness and lucas players know how to do this and it is extremely helpful.
ness never had rope snake or a tether that could do the same thing lucas does
NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, I WILL STILL BE AN LUCAS MAIN.
I’m a dark pit-lucas-daisy main
I play ness more he is both sans and ness so in am playing two characters lol
excuse me but what about pk freeze? at least mention it. but its hard to say who really is better. i think it depends on the person who plays with the character.
7:29 lucas down air has HOW many hits
@Menkir Dennis he knows. He is basically saying “Did you really say that Lucas’ d-air has 3 hits instead of 4?”.
Lucas main here. He fits me better and I love him, but I admit that Ness is the better character.
Lucas F-throw also kills at similar percents as up-throw on the ledge with a similar angle to ness'
Lucas has got an attack to freeze the enemy For a second
Bro Lucas is my best character, he’s good against most matchups
Lucas has the best healing its so good when doing a Nuzlocke in world of light
PK Freeze can be terrifying while you aren't on the stage.
I main Lucas and I’ve 3 stocked my friend’s Young Link(one of his best mains).
i never knew why this is a debate. i like to think that the characters are equal tier list wise. it always came down to play-style for me.
If Ness had Lucas's grab, recovery and PK Fire + PK Freeze-- he would've been the perfect Ness.
ive played both but i would say ive played ness more solely for the faster pk thunder
How come you didn’t compare the pk thunder and pk freeze?!
Y’all made a mistake, Lucas’s DAir hits 4 times, and the 4th one spikes, but still good content as always,
you forgot that ness has pk flash and lucas has pk freeze and they have different absorbing moves
5:55 so a persons greatest strength, is also their weakness.
Lucas need serious buffs to his combo game. He should be able to autocancell his aerials quickly by landing because every time I do a Nair or Dair on someone, I can't do anything after that because they can shield it easily.
Also buff his Upair, it sucks
Have you even heard of Lucas dair chains?
As a lucas name I can say that I never spam pk fire however when I'm in danger I would spam pk freeze
Been so long since proguides last uploaded
Hey provides how many characters can cause self damage in this game? It's actually more than most think
I see you cuber
I thought pk fire could only be comboed into pk fire thx pro guides for the new info
SDI is literally the #1 counterplay to Ness' PK Fire. Followups are NOT guaranteed if you get hit by one. My friends have gotten so good at SDI, I can't even connect a dash attack sometimes. If you're complaining about PK Fire, just wiggle the stick away from Ness and your problems VANISH.
I prefer lucas purely bc of his neutral-b. You rack up damage on ur opponent, get em off to the side use n-b and they just go careening into the blast zone and bc they're frozen they cant do anything about it.
Jo whats the song on 7:44
I just like Lucas's PK Freeze because my friends hate it so much and struggle against it for some reason XD
He lost his mom, bro and the best PK Boi competition
I always thought that it was cool that ness and captain falcon have been in every single smash game I thought maybe falcon or ness would’ve been cut in like brawl or smash 4
DO MORE EPISODE OF THESE
Ness if my favorite character and game but Lucas is my main idk I just can’t play ness like I do Lucas , does anyone else have the problem or the other way around ?