Look, I believe the traction, telemetry and ecu have been incredibly refined to pull some crazy performance numbers.. I'm just scared of the price tag ;( 160-200k I'm calling it now. I miss the sub 100k jap performance
You're really being nice! I agree with you it doesn't look ugly and for all intents & purposes. The car is a serious performer! But... Nissan teased us with sketches of redesigned GTR's. Had crazy GTR concepts in video games and the prices increments are quite substantial, considering this was a 70k car on intro. I think it's a Huge disappointment. But I think every car company except BMW has disappointed thus generation. And that hard to admit considering I'm not a BMW fan for 2 decades now.
@@Saltinator imagine being able to go 150-180 in a tank...at that point all it needs is legs...then it would be a metal gear....yeah ill want that over a sports car... LOL
@@bulletclub4life Give Nissan GTR another 100cc displacement and 500hp tops and you would actually get at least 30 miles to the gallon theoretically speaking at least
I actually really like the styling updates they made! The grille of the R35 never looked that good to me, but this new one looks much better. If I were in the market for an R35 I’d much prefer this updated version.
Hopefully Nissan will go the same route they did with the new Z with the next GTR. Taking design cues from all of its predecessors and merging it into one car.
@@Clubloosedriftguy it needs to be a hybrid if it plans to be beyond its competition. but always it needs to be affordable, it needs to have a manual option
@@withered962 if its calling back to the predecessors then it doesnt need to be top of everything. It needs to be a competitor for WTCC. the idea of the r35 being a purpose built super car on a sports car budget is cool, but i think it should have kept the design principles of the skylines with an economy sports car (RFB all day) chassis, with progressively more focus to sporting at each trim level until its a homologation racer . I.E base skyline, gts, gts-t GTR.
I’m actually a fan of making the most of an existing design before scrapping it. I think car companies in general are too quick to make new models with new issues when they could have refined the old one. We don’t need totally new designs every few years we just need good well designed cars
@Martin Wagoner Haha true, but surely there’s profit in flogging an old design rather than spending millions on a new one. Toyota is one of the biggest in the world and they are famous for endlessly facelifting old chassis. Which is great for us because it makes parts as universal as lego blocks and everyone knows how to fix them. I don’t think the average consumer can even tell the difference between a facelift and a ground up redesign. Many people don’t even know what model car they drive and some can’t even tell you the make…
You guys are crazy. Imagine going to a dealer and he's like "Here's a 2007 Nissan Altima with a facelift and minor updates, that'll be $35k" You'd laugh in his face bro. Why are you guys making excuses for this? If they haven't perfected the car after the 4th refresh any normal person would probably start to think they're just lacking innovation or money for new development, no?
@@KingOath That's not even true dude. The Camry, Corolla, Rav4, Yaris etc. gets a brand new design every 5-7 years or so. Except the Land Cruiser and Hilux, which are updated every 10 years. This is still better than Nissan, which recently keeps a chassis on sale for at least 15 years before designing a new one. See: 350Z, Murano, Frontier/Navara.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 hell no. Gtr‘s handle like boats compared to regular modern cars. Their suspension is straight trash, the tire dimensions are a joke and the steering is as numb as something you would expect in an s class. I really love that car but its not up to modern standards at all even if were ignoring the interior.
Honestly while I’m not blown away, again I’m just happy the R35 is still in production and is still being slightly improved. The R35 won’t be fully appreciated until the R36 comes out, which will still be good but will probably be a hybrid which will make the R35 retroactively cooler.
The way Nissan is dragging it heels with the r35. And the way the new Z is riding on a modified 370z platform, which itself is a modified z33 platform. I doubt an r36 is coming in the way we expect. It’ll probably be some electric super car concept car, like how Toyota and Subaru have been doing.
People forget that when the R35 was new it literally gave Jeremy Clarkson whiplash because he turned hard enough to NASCAR flip a regular car and the R35 made the turn nonetheless. You will not push this car to its limits. This car will push YOUR BODY to its limits.
The longer they keep the current R35 going, the more likely it is for some of us, to find, and afford one... at some point. As soon as they launch the R36, collectors might get itchy about getting an R35.
I agree, keep building them lol. the original r35 is already an insane performance car and because they never changed much it never really aged i don't know the one thing I don't get is why they never changed the glass transmission. and basically none of it's competitors still have 6 speed gearboxes
As a fan, if I was able to reengineer the car I’d go about getting an modern inline 6 with a 6speed manual, as for the body I’d probably pull some design features from infiniti- like I think the front end off a q60 looks aggressive, gotta keep the taillights. Just how I feel.
*The GTR is like LeBron. It's been good for so long that we normalize all the things it's doing despite the fact that it could've ended so long ago. Once it's truly gone, I think the moments will turn into memories and we'll truly reminisce on the true meaning of the GTR while it lasted.*
@@kndli67 *Same here. The longer they make the GTR, the more chances enthusiasts have to own one some day. The Evo 8/9 only lasted a couple years so they're crazy hard to find stock. Glad the GTR doesn't have that problem.*
If you think about it, the 32-34’s kept the RB26 for similar reasons sort of like the vr38 but they changed body styles and subtle things with the RB. Which I would’ve loved to see more major changes on the exterior on the new 35
It still looks incredible in person. When you walk past one of these it just feels timeless. Such a good car and I’m glad we’re experiencing some cool ass cars.
I don’t think it’s a letdown at all. These facelifts are easily the most visually attractive variants of the R35 yet and they are probably comparable to, if not faster than, any variant before. Sure it’s no R36, but the R35 holds its own against time so well, it’s honestly beyond admirable.
I'm really afraid Nissan is gonna drag out the R35 for so long that sales drop to basically zero, so they can be like "oh well no one buys GTRs anymore, so we're discontinuiing them". From a business perspective, Nissan would probably save a ton of money by not having to design and manufacture a new GTR
@@Snowkone81 this is because all 300 of the nismo gtr that were produced were sold out. The sales were 357 if you combine the nismo gtr sales with the gtr sales.
I'm not a Nissan person. I've never owned one but I have to say that I'm happy that they are still making the GTR and the new Z. In this day and age companies aren't going to invest a lot into this car because of what you said. Everything that is all new is an EV. They aren't going to put a lot of money into building a new platform. Nissan doesn't have the capital to invest in a niche market. They need to sell a bunch of everyday cars SUVs or they won't exist. I think it's commendable that they actually make 2 cool sports cars in 2023.
My opinion is this: I dont think this needed a new reveal. The changes that were made to this car I feel could either be mentioned on the side or something like that. Because at this point there isnt really anything new to reveal with the R35 platform that is going to get people excited unless they do something radical like offer it with a manual or change the engine configuration.
Nice video on the GTR. Been in a 1100hp one and they are great! Also, any chance of doing better quality videos? 1080p still sucks when others are doing 4k, just my input
The GTR originally was competing with the 997 Turbo, and it used to be a bargain compared to it. Now Porsche has gone through the 991, and now the 992 and the Turbo S which has the fastest 0-60 in an ICE car
If you really look at it, nissan is just trying to do what porsche did, litlle changes, 992 is just updated 991 and 991 is an updated 997 its always been like that and people dont complain because its a porsche, i know porsche made tweaks here and there with suspensions, and "new" engine too with new engine code, with the facelift bodystyle and call it new car, nissan just did that but they kept the same engine code, shouldve gone like 1jz to 2jz kinda thing or b58 to s58
I actually like the exterior changes. It's something different to what we have had for 17 years and kind of harkens back to the r34 skyline styling. I actually think they just rolled this out as a testbed for the r36 GTR styling, and some of the styling features might be very similar.
How different is the new Z from the 350z that came out in 2002? Nissan FM Platform first hit market in 2001, its old enough to buy alcohol. Yet, we didn't complain too much about the new Z. Its Nissan doing more Nissan stuff. So at the end of the day they followed the same formula as he Z. I kinda blame the consumer for being okay with Nissan not making a new platform. Not that they could improve overall performance much. It feels like Nissan is perfecting the platforms, not making new car/platforms. Ford is doing the same thing with the Mustang. They dont want to put out millions of dollars for r&d on a new platform, that may or may not be outlawed in the future.
They honestly just should have done what they did with the new Z. Underneath the new exterior, the new Z is extremely similar to the old Z, but with a fresh new look and some performance bumps. If they just refreshed the R35 chassis with a new exterior then im sure that would be enough to appease people
The facelift for the Nismo is going in the right direction and I also like the rear end of the T spec and I think if Nissan would’ve turned the headlights horizontally for this design it would’ve looked a lot better
I guess I'm just glad it's still around, that's all it takes for me to appreciate it in these times. The rendering of what the R36 would look like would be way more impressive than what they actually made. Maybe they should make an actual kit out of the rendering...
People just don't understand the Japanese automacers are obsessed with the kaizen-spirit, which is why the LF-A took so long to be finished and ended up as such a masterpiece, not necessary for its release time, but still very impactful and impressive.
As an engineer, I can definitely say that the engineers have to work within the specific budget given to them for the GTR and at the moment Nissan is more focused on redesigning their entire line up. To redesign the R35 to look like the R36 concept drawing could change the aerodynamics and handling of the vehicle. As a car enthusiast i would love to see a more modern GTR but I'm honestly glad the GTR still exist even nissan's push to have a EV line up
what i think: i really do think the R36 could be in it's final stages of development, perhaps in production of the first prototypes/test models, but the new Z which was meant to be nissan's "saving grace" just really hasn't been as successful as everyone expected (mainly because dealerships in the U.S are literally killing every sportscar recently) and they revealing this 2024 GT-R with some minor upgrades, but at the same time it's the biggest change we've seen since the 2017 facelift, it gives them more time to finalize the R36.
@@OnlyforPinks electric SUVs and just evs in general are selling over sports cars so dealerships just don't sell sport cars anymore which encourages manafactures to make non sport cars
There are some solid points here that change my earlier opinion that I rather see it evolve rather than get the axe. That is, it's also hard to justify a buying a new car that isn't too different than the original one that came out over decade ago. Look at the 400Z, under the skin, it's a 370Z with a parts bin engine; nothing special but it's enough for people justify the upgrade. Nissan isn't swimming in cash to go wild but a refresh like the 400Z would revive the interest in the GTR.
They could've changed the angle of the headlights, and the angles of the vents on the front bumper, *AND NOTHING ELSE* and it would've been a better improvement than what they ACTUALLY did.
Back in 2015, there was the Infiniti Q50 Eau Rouge concept which a lot of people forgot. It was an Infiniti Q50 with the VR38 engine and the ATTESSA-ETS awd system. It was literally a Skyline GT-R because the Q50 was the Skyline in Japan. The issue was the whole Carlos Ghosn saga, money issues, and the fact that the GT-R legacy always has the car with a unique engine. An engine that is never shared with any other car from Nissan. That's just tradition.
I happened to be working at an Infiniti dealer when that concept was revealed. I'm still pissed that specific car never made it to production. The Red Sport doesn't quite do it for me lol.
@@jeremysoto4596 As David touched on in the video, the GT-R is still a great car. Still great bang for the buck. And that's while not worrying about long wait times (Porsche) or ridiculous markups (Corvette). I can see them trying for hybridization, but the GT-R doesn't need to change all that much to still be relevant performance wise.
@@placeholder2924 no one's complaining about the performance every 2 years or so Nissan increases the power.. people want a different look of the GTR..and possibly a manual transmission... power train can stay it's a winning power train it's just the look of the car has served it's time and there should be an update ..2009 was a long time ago.Car should of had a refresh in 2015 or something... something perhaps a little more sleeker and lower
I’m mainly disappointed because they “reveal” it like it’s something groundbreaking but what did they really do that aftermarket can’t do? Not to mention this isn’t even coming to the States. This worries me because I really want to see the R36 but is telling me that they haven’t invested in a new powertrain, or if they have, it’ll sadly be a hybrid or EV of some sort.
Feels like this will be the pinnacle of the GTR chassis. Anything "new" will likely implement a hybrid or full electric platform that will kill the brand. Seems like auto manufacturers seem to follow the trend of rebadging, recycle, be safe with not investing huge risk into popular platforms like the supra, integra, GTR, bronco, etc... just ride the coattails of the name type "design".
Honestly I dig the new gtr. If it’s not broken, don’t fix it. Every time a car we know and love gets a full remodel/ we don’t like it . A few changes here and there, it’s good
David - I've been subbed for probably 8 years plus and I'm guilty of not watching as many of your videos lately, but I always click on your videos like this. I hope you start to do more of these auto industry news\opinion videos as I think it's a good direction for you.
How do they keep selling these new models? The differences from the older models are fractional, but they cost a much heavier MSRP instead of finding a well taken care of used 2015-2017 for 40% cheaper.
I like the new front bumper especially on the Nismo, it reminds me more of the R34. The original front bumper was one of the few things that I never liked about the R35, it looks like the big black grill that Audi used starting in 2005 or so; that I was never a fan of.
The R&D might be difficult but I wished they at least dropped a manual version R35, it might be slower and less efficient in shifting but it would have been a hell of a drive regardless.
I think the third refresh looks fine. But definitely should have been the new generation being unveiled. But if keeping this platform for another few years prevents hybrid I am okay with it.
Did you know that the holy trinity of the automotive world aka the McLaren P1, Ferrari LaFerrari and Porsche 918 Spyder which everyone still DROOLING OVER to this day, are HYBRID??
For me, it was a good design and they didn’t screw it up. Can’t be too mad at it. They could have done what other manufacturers do and completely change the body. Also, if you wanted the certain styling of the previous gtr and you can’t find a good stock one or modified one that hasn’t been beaten up, now hopefully the prices won’t substantially increase since the body isn’t radically changed. That’s just speculation, but it could factor into values of the used cars. Having said that, the rendering is HOT.
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@@Sowodiumthe current base gtr has 100 more horsepower than when it originally came out. the AWD system has gotten improvements. they’ve added a front LSD. it’s gotten quality of life improvements. stop acting like they’ve been re-releasing the same car for 15 years.
No, this car does not need to move on, it does not need to change you are so wrong about this! This car is perfect as it is and improving it step by step has brought it to where it is today. In Europe this car is no longer in production which makes me very very sad and the chance that there are still good drivable ones around until i can afford one in a couple years are slim.... Them still producing the car in 2024 tho opens up the option for me to later on import it whenever i can afford one
@@pacekey694 They stopped producing in europe not because sales were bad, they stopped because the new CO2 emission rules of the European Union would basicly make it almost improfitable for them (atleast according to their official statement) Also i would hate a hybrid or a fully electric version of the GTR because it would never feel the same, and i just love the sound and the brutal force you experience with this beautiful V6, for a hybrid they would have to change it aswell, altho it is more close to the original, but fully electric would outright suck, specially in winter. I don't wanna own a Tesla a la Nissan, i want a Nissan a la Nissan, if i'd like a Tesla (which i don't ) i'd go to Tesla!
@@Zorrolord so the sales we were discussing were us and Canada not Europe. They only sold around 50 models in the us. The sales were never good in Europe due to its price so that wasn’t even considered. Yes they did stop selling in Europe but if it was high sales volume vehicle for the market they would have been introduced a redesign. The point still stands that they only sale a handful a year regardless of market. To be competitive and comply with emissions, they would most certainly have to go hybrid. Which I think would be good.
I agree .. I still think Nissan needs to make a FLEX / RACE fuel option and get the car to ~700hp maybe it's a limited edition like Porsche does with the GT3 RS.
Honestly, I would love to own one of these 2024 Nissan GTRs... the years of development and refinement that has been put into this platform is commendable. I like that NISSAN is not out there to steal money from customers the way other manufacturers do. IF only I had a spare $200,000 lying around... would love a nismo
I think they should have at least done what they did with the new Z. Even if 80% of the parts were exactly the same, if they had just updated the body panels and a few others things it could have been a big hit.
It took almost 20 years for them to move on from the R34 GTR, and unfortunately they (Nissan) know by now, this is not a high sales volume type of car so they're always gonna struggle to get any new car across the line. You gotta remember everyone hated the R35 when it came out and dropped the RB engine series. I'm just glad there's still a GTR available to this day
To try and help and not just joke; Could Nissan make a RWD only GT-S with an manual transmission out of this platform to help spice things up?! Same engine just different drivetrain setup. Like the Audi R8 GT RWD is where my thinking comes from.
That's pretty much exactly what the Z is. Imo, the front LSD is a significant drive train mod that will improve the handling. The Z on the other hand, didn't even come with an LSD on the base model, which was a big mistake.
@@Treaxvour As far as the first part that's like saying the GR86 and the Supra are the same now because the Supra has a manual transmission or a Gen 6 Camaro and a C7 Corvette are the same. The Z and the GT-R are two way different platforms and besides back in the good old days they sold both the Z and GT-S at the same time in Japan and here in the States the Infiniti G/Q cars are supposed to be GT-S like cars anyway. No problem with the rest of what you said. (Sorry for being long winded)
The good thing about having a decade long car is a bazillion aftermarket parts instead of changing every 3 yrs. You can literally replace the entire car with goodies. Probably the most realistic daily.
That rendering is badass and that's totally what Nissan should do for the R36. If not, someone should make a body kit for the R35/R36 to make it look like the rendering.
This is what I exactly feared the most... Nissan is really short on cash, and this is what they can do best at the moment. They hoped the Z could sorta bring back the fandom, but that plan got ruined by stealerships and underperformed against Supra. That's all fine. If Z positioned itself as a old school fun sports car, that's honestly cheaper than Supra and performs by the price point. But everyone jumped and built the hype as if this was a Supra killer. I don't know what Nissan was targeting with the GTR anymore. I honestly hoped that Nissan would stop with the GTR production for the time being and focus on developing the R36 instead, if their budget is so damn tight that this is all they can do. The Z made me fear for exactly this scenario, and this 2024 GTR hammers the nail to the coffin. If it's far too costly, isn't Stellantis a massive fucking group? Isn't there really one company that Nissan can partner up to come up with an insane GTR and have a sibling sold elsewhere? Many ppl will hate this, but Toyota was absolutely right with collabbing to offer 86 and Supra. It simply allows companies to sell us enthusiast cars that are actually special. And after that, Toyota even had balls to offer up the GR Corolla afterwards. People may scream why Toyota didn't do for all three cars but... there's reason why GR Corolla was the last to come. Toyota actually made money and carefully assessed market, launching Toyota's own engineered car at a perfect timing. Can Nissan ever outdo Toyota? Absolutely, with proper funding and timing. This isn't.
Coming from a Z owner, the only people who thought the Z was gonna out perform the supra were non z owners. We don't care what HP it comes with because you don't buy a Z to keep it stock. As for the GTR exactly why do we need another one? Lord knows the GTR is was way too expensive when it first came out and way too much now. Even if they made a new GTR it probably isn't going to be much better than what we have already. That vr38 engine is a hand built monster. Honestly the best thing they can do is scrap plans for a new GTR and put that time and effort into a new S chassis/entry level sports car. Something in the 20-30k range to compete with the brz and Miata. Edit: I can't blame stealerships either as the only Z's that have been sold are the proto models and those were gonna be marked up. It's a supply issue since they're coming from Japan so idk give it a few months and you'll probably see more of them.
@LOVE. VIBES. x PROJECT CARS Well, if you put it like that, I really can't say much because Honda is doing exactly the same thing right now with the NSX and went all in with the CTR, and now with ITS. Perhaps what Nissan really needs is the Silvia revival, but didn't Nissan tease us with the revival of the Datsun 510? I dunno where that's going but I guess Nissan does have an option of going low end price point instead of meaninglessly trying to keep up on a losing ground with the GTR even though the car is still magnificent... yet feels very overpriced.
@@preventer333 yea Honda lost me with the ITS. They really dropped the ball with it and I really don't know why they won't make an entry level rwd car... Well actually typing that out loud summed it up. Harming the civic sales.🤦🏾 Yeah awhile ago they had thatIDX concept but to be honest idk if the s chassis community would want a retro car based off a 510. I think they would want something that resembles the s15 shape but modern. It really doesn't even have to be a new platform. They could put it on the fm platform as it's super drift capable, cost effective, and just make a 4 banger and I'm sure everyone would like that. Seems to me that is the one type of car that's missing on the market a turbo inline 4 red manual 2+2 car. Closest we have is the brz/gr86 but that boxer engine is just meh and the Miata has a good engine but it's just too small.
In the world of current BMW/Mercedes styling, I have 0 issues with the new look. The new non Nismo rear is better for me and the front is, well inspired from R34 and at least different. If you don't like it, you can always swap them, they literally just changed the bumpers, not the facia or the hood/fenders.
I’d like to see a shorter wheelbase to make it lighter and more chuckable. More aggressive stance, lower to the ground, and keep engine the same but focus on dropping the weight. That would take the GTR to a whole new level
Nissan needs to do one of 2 things engineering wise to get it back to the top. Mid-engine layout, probably a front mid-engine layout like the MB AMG GT or and, most likely what they will do, a hybrid. I doubt we'll get a R34 styled R36, but it would be alot less expensive than the engineering things I brought up.
It’s crazy to see this channel blow up to over a milly. I remember when I was in the market for my Z and stumbled acrosss that Smurf blue build. Keep it going bruh . I haven’t been on here in years btw.
Remember the excitement people had when they saw a gtr for the first time in the US. Who would have thought they would be seeing the same thing more than a decade later
Yeah, the new Nissan GT-R looks similar to the old one, but Nissan's just keeping the GT-R's shape alive, and there's some different details below the headlights of the new Nissan GT-R that are different from the old Nissan GT-R from 2009. Have you ever heard the phrase "you get what you get, and you don't throw a fit? Because it's funny that the people who think the new Nissan GT-R is a letdown, throw a fit on the new Nissan GT-R. Like it's literally keeping the shape alive.
seeing a refreshed version of a car that was unveiled in 2007 isn't ideal it's time for a new GTR. That car is awesome and I will give it that but it's way overdue for moving onto a new chassis. I really really dig. The Artist rendition of the R36 is what I'd absolutely love to see in a R36 especially in Skyline Midnight Purple.
I've never really been a fan of the R35 or the deletion of the SKYLINE name, but if I had R35 money, I'd jump on an R33/Nismo 400R. And that rendering is LUST! The silver one looks like the NISMO R33 GTR LM.
With how Nissan’s sales are, I’m also surprised they had the budget to do any updates. Let alone introduce the new Z, which I just can’t get stand the front end on.
The R35 was actually supposed to be discontinued already, so to be mad they kept it around with some updates to both the base and nismo is nice. Would you rather have it disappear like the NSX which is out of production again? 🤷
R35 has been milked so hard. The car was ground breaking in the late 2000s and the GTR line has been amazing for years but now it's crap because they refuse to release a new car for some reason. Also the R36 will probbaly be electric which will be disgusting
I have a hunch that the actual gtr r46 could be using the same engine as 400z with addition of hybrid boost to 600-700hp combined.... And that r36+34+33 also seems plausible...(judging by the trend of design route they took on 400z)
Honestly, I cherish this time witnessing a legend being developed, I believe in future we will look back at R35, and say "this car was like nothing before, at the release it was ahead of it's time, it paved the way to acceptance for many electronic traction and suspension systems, and it stayed relevant for almost two decades, such a legend, they don't build cars like that anymore" Lotus Esprit: 28 years in production. Community: it was such an iconic, refined sportcar, stayed relevant for decades. Nissan GTR R35: only at halfway point of that, and still obliterating most supercars. Community: it's too old we want a new model. Community when new generation of sportcar is released(NSX example): it's gone hybrid, where is purity, it has electronic drive assistance, it doesn't deserve to hold this iconic name....
That Avante X Roman Miah design is the best reinterpretation of what the next GTR is supposed to be, something that can rival the 992 Turbo S. Nissan could've just redesigned the body and carried over modified components to make a 700HP Avante X Roman Miah R36 GTR.
The look of the r35 is timeless in my opinion. It looked modern back then as it looks now. If it isn’t broken why fix it. Nissan must of taken advice from porsche.
What you’re not thinking of is why. I’m sure Nissan is spending millions of dollars trying to perfect whatever drivetrain is going into the r36. They know it’s going to be hard to out do themselves with the r36 compared to the r35. So why spend money on making the drivetrain of the r35 better, when that’s just raising the bar of what’s going to be expected for the r36, and the money would just be better spent developing the r36 platform. So they did what they could do without hurting themselves in the process, they made the body kit better and made aerodynamics more efficient, newer/upgraded interior, and lights and all those bells and whistles. This is what we get as a placeholder until the r36 is ready, and yes I agree it’s taking a very long time but there’s a reason for everything.
Nissan should not discontinue this. They should sell it directly to the customer bypassing dealer markups and lower the cost to the consumer, while improving it over time.
The R35 is like perfectly toasted white bread. Great performer, never fails, goes great with everything. Its still bread. Cutting the crust a little bit doesn't make it look any less like the same ol bread we've swallowed the past decade+ lol.
the artist rendition is really good. has the boxy head light and the rear end has great shape that compliments the old style as well. good looking cars seem to be a thing of the past, most modern car designs are simply not that appealing
I have a 2020 GTR and I'm still super happy with it (Blue 50th Anniversary). Don't see big enough changes to not like my R35. I do like the new spoiler better. If I did get one of the new ones I would probably go Nismo just for fun.
It may not be a huge change, but it’s still in production for US and other countries, While it’s been discontinued in Europe.And should be appreciate what you’ve got.
Do we really need an R36 though? I mean, It's a model that's been around since 2007 and is still kicking because it's just that good, and discontinuing it will simply be an excuse for people to amp up the price of their used cars for no reason
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Imagine a Japanese car company unveiled a car with an Anime style intro.
*dramatic piano intensifies*
Look, I believe the traction, telemetry and ecu have been incredibly refined to pull some crazy performance numbers.. I'm just scared of the price tag ;(
160-200k I'm calling it now. I miss the sub 100k jap performance
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The bit you did where it went straight into the anime music had me gasping for air.
You're really being nice!
I agree with you it doesn't look ugly and for all intents & purposes. The car is a serious performer! But... Nissan teased us with sketches of redesigned GTR's. Had crazy GTR concepts in video games and the prices increments are quite substantial, considering this was a 70k car on intro.
I think it's a Huge disappointment.
But I think every car company except BMW has disappointed thus generation. And that hard to admit considering I'm not a BMW fan for 2 decades now.
Gr86?
its sad that the definition of a "win" in 2023 is when a sports car isnt turned into a crossover or shitty suv
Boy oh boy, do plebs love crossovers and suvs...
@@Saltinator imagine being able to go 150-180 in a tank...at that point all it needs is legs...then it would be a metal gear....yeah ill want that over a sports car... LOL
@@bulletclub4life Give Nissan GTR another 100cc displacement and 500hp tops and you would actually get at least 30 miles to the gallon theoretically speaking at least
@@claytonsherman6276took da words out ma mouth rip dodge
@Clayton Sherman Wait till the r36 comes lol
I actually really like the styling updates they made! The grille of the R35 never looked that good to me, but this new one looks much better. If I were in the market for an R35 I’d much prefer this updated version.
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It needs a new updated faster engine
These G35 body kits are getting out of hands.
Who cares anyways 🤣
Facts. Like we’re blind. Wtf 🤬
@@dutchy213 lol 🤣
😂😂😂
No lies detected 😂
i personally like the facelift, i worked at nissan for a few years and loved seeing the different renditions beside eachother. it’s simple but elegant
Hopefully Nissan will go the same route they did with the new Z with the next GTR. Taking design cues from all of its predecessors and merging it into one car.
Perfectly said and not a dumb ev or hybrid
@@Clubloosedriftguy it needs to be a hybrid if it plans to be beyond its competition. but always it needs to be affordable, it needs to have a manual option
@@Clubloosedriftguy What's wrong with it being a hybrid?
@@withered962 if its calling back to the predecessors then it doesnt need to be top of everything. It needs to be a competitor for WTCC.
the idea of the r35 being a purpose built super car on a sports car budget is cool, but i think it should have kept the design principles of the skylines with an economy sports car (RFB all day) chassis, with progressively more focus to sporting at each trim level until its a homologation racer . I.E base skyline, gts, gts-t GTR.
@@Clubloosedriftguy Hybrids could drive just like normal gas cars if executed correctly, but just be faster.
I’m actually a fan of making the most of an existing design before scrapping it. I think car companies in general are too quick to make new models with new issues when they could have refined the old one. We don’t need totally new designs every few years we just need good well designed cars
@Martin Wagoner Haha true, but surely there’s profit in flogging an old design rather than spending millions on a new one. Toyota is one of the biggest in the world and they are famous for endlessly facelifting old chassis. Which is great for us because it makes parts as universal as lego blocks and everyone knows how to fix them. I don’t think the average consumer can even tell the difference between a facelift and a ground up redesign. Many people don’t even know what model car they drive and some can’t even tell you the make…
You guys are crazy. Imagine going to a dealer and he's like "Here's a 2007 Nissan Altima with a facelift and minor updates, that'll be $35k" You'd laugh in his face bro.
Why are you guys making excuses for this? If they haven't perfected the car after the 4th refresh any normal person would probably start to think they're just lacking innovation or money for new development, no?
@@KingOath That's not even true dude. The Camry, Corolla, Rav4, Yaris etc. gets a brand new design every 5-7 years or so. Except the Land Cruiser and Hilux, which are updated every 10 years. This is still better than Nissan, which recently keeps a chassis on sale for at least 15 years before designing a new one. See: 350Z, Murano, Frontier/Navara.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 hell no. Gtr‘s handle like boats compared to regular modern cars. Their suspension is straight trash, the tire dimensions are a joke and the steering is as numb as something you would expect in an s class. I really love that car but its not up to modern standards at all even if were ignoring the interior.
Porsche 911 has been the same for over 50yeara
How the reveal felt like:
"Hey I've seen this one before, it's a classic!"
"What do you mean you've seen it before, it's brand new."
Saw it on a re-run
lol nobody has two television sets.
Us to the R35: Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here!
@@StrikeRaptor1000 make like a tree and leaf
Who the hell is John F Kennedy?
Aged like fine wine. Wasn't a big fan of the design when if first hit the scene. Now, I love it. It's like they finally got it right.
I like it too but I think we’re far overdue for a new generation, we shouldn’t be on the r35 forever and ever (and ever….)
Honestly while I’m not blown away, again I’m just happy the R35 is still in production and is still being slightly improved. The R35 won’t be fully appreciated until the R36 comes out, which will still be good but will probably be a hybrid which will make the R35 retroactively cooler.
EXACTLY. They all gonna be crying when it’s all electric 😂 or worse they stop all production.
Agreed, just like the s2000 cr
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The way Nissan is dragging it heels with the r35. And the way the new Z is riding on a modified 370z platform, which itself is a modified z33 platform. I doubt an r36 is coming in the way we expect. It’ll probably be some electric super car concept car, like how Toyota and Subaru have been doing.
100% agreed literally can't say it better
This is just going to be one of those cars that are hated at first but once everyone owns it it’s gonna blow up a lot
People forget that when the R35 was new it literally gave Jeremy Clarkson whiplash because he turned hard enough to NASCAR flip a regular car and the R35 made the turn nonetheless. You will not push this car to its limits. This car will push YOUR BODY to its limits.
The longer they keep the current R35 going, the more likely it is for some of us, to find, and afford one... at some point. As soon as they launch the R36, collectors might get itchy about getting an R35.
Collectors have become such a cancer in the car world nowdays. Its getting so hard to find a fun, affordable older sports car.
it was affordable when it first launched
@@joshuakhaos4451 Facts.
I said the same exact thing. 👍
I agree, keep building them lol. the original r35 is already an insane performance car and because they never changed much it never really aged
i don't know the one thing I don't get is why they never changed the glass transmission. and basically none of it's competitors still have 6 speed gearboxes
As a fan, if I was able to reengineer the car I’d go about getting an modern inline 6 with a 6speed manual, as for the body I’d probably pull some design features from infiniti- like I think the front end off a q60 looks aggressive, gotta keep the taillights. Just how I feel.
*The GTR is like LeBron. It's been good for so long that we normalize all the things it's doing despite the fact that it could've ended so long ago. Once it's truly gone, I think the moments will turn into memories and we'll truly reminisce on the true meaning of the GTR while it lasted.*
Im here for the GTR staying I don’t want EV
@@kndli67 *Same here. The longer they make the GTR, the more chances enthusiasts have to own one some day. The Evo 8/9 only lasted a couple years so they're crazy hard to find stock. Glad the GTR doesn't have that problem.*
@@qxp2k THE LONGER THE GTR IS ON EARTH THE STRONGER IT WILL BECOME
Lebron is a woke libtard though
@@agr_ the fuck does lebron being liberal have any connection to the GTR analogy???
If you think about it, the 32-34’s kept the RB26 for similar reasons sort of like the vr38 but they changed body styles and subtle things with the RB. Which I would’ve loved to see more major changes on the exterior on the new 35
Fr Nissan makes so good that it can be used in a flag ship for 20 years😭
It still looks incredible in person. When you walk past one of these it just feels timeless. Such a good car and I’m glad we’re experiencing some cool ass cars.
It’s true. It’s a car that needs to be seen in person. Definitely a future classic.
And yet, I6 sound so much better. The Trumpets get old quick
Facts
@@Malar1898 still a 6 cylinder….. get a v8. It’s better and sounds better.
One of my neighbors has a bone stock 09 in red and wow when it's sitting in the driveway it looks great
I don’t think it’s a letdown at all.
These facelifts are easily the most visually attractive variants of the R35 yet and they are probably comparable to, if not faster than, any variant before. Sure it’s no R36, but the R35 holds its own against time so well, it’s honestly beyond admirable.
I'm really afraid Nissan is gonna drag out the R35 for so long that sales drop to basically zero, so they can be like "oh well no one buys GTRs anymore, so we're discontinuiing them". From a business perspective, Nissan would probably save a ton of money by not having to design and manufacture a new GTR
Already past that - 2022 new GTR sales in US were at 57...
Na, this is like when Ford facelifted the Mustang for only a 2 model year design in 2013-2014. The new model is not too far away....
@@Snowkone81 this is because all 300 of the nismo gtr that were produced were sold out. The sales were 357 if you combine the nismo gtr sales with the gtr sales.
@@benwilson5422 Well - the point is the GTR is due for a new design after almost 15 years - past 9 consecutive years of dipping sales.
@@fortheloveofnoise dude, this is the 37th facelift
I'm not a Nissan person. I've never owned one but I have to say that I'm happy that they are still making the GTR and the new Z. In this day and age companies aren't going to invest a lot into this car because of what you said. Everything that is all new is an EV. They aren't going to put a lot of money into building a new platform. Nissan doesn't have the capital to invest in a niche market. They need to sell a bunch of everyday cars SUVs or they won't exist. I think it's commendable that they actually make 2 cool sports cars in 2023.
I actually like the new Nismo over the base model, just glad we still the gtr despite Nissans financial situation
My opinion is this: I dont think this needed a new reveal. The changes that were made to this car I feel could either be mentioned on the side or something like that. Because at this point there isnt really anything new to reveal with the R35 platform that is going to get people excited unless they do something radical like offer it with a manual or change the engine configuration.
Yeah tbh they had no reason to have a whole public reveal as if it was a new car.😂
Wtf the r35 doesn't have a manual shifter? And I thought at least with the r35 Nissan is doing something right still. God is this company lost..
@@neruwu it's been lost for almost 2 decades already.
@@andy56duky wait which gtr is the last one to have manual transmission?
Upgrading the 6 speed to an 8 speed would have made a way bigger difference than any new aero.
It’s nice to see it not going electric but a style change and maybe offering a manual with a significant power bump would’ve been nice
A manual r35? Are you high?
@@SavingPvtBryan32 I know new automatics are faster. I enjoy running through gears manually
@@SavingPvtBryan32 I’d like to see a manual R35. Why not? You wouldn’t have to buy one.
Nice video on the GTR. Been in a 1100hp one and they are great! Also, any chance of doing better quality videos? 1080p still sucks when others are doing 4k, just my input
The GTR originally was competing with the 997 Turbo, and it used to be a bargain compared to it. Now Porsche has gone through the 991, and now the 992 and the Turbo S which has the fastest 0-60 in an ICE car
Yup I’m hopeful the R36 is on par or better than the turbo 992 and remains all ICE !
That won't happen unless you want the already expensive GTR to be 992 Turbo S prices
If you really look at it, nissan is just trying to do what porsche did, litlle changes, 992 is just updated 991 and 991 is an updated 997 its always been like that and people dont complain because its a porsche, i know porsche made tweaks here and there with suspensions, and "new" engine too with new engine code, with the facelift bodystyle and call it new car, nissan just did that but they kept the same engine code, shouldve gone like 1jz to 2jz kinda thing or b58 to s58
You're wrong about the Turbo S, the Bugatti Chiron is still the fastest ICE car 0-60
@BrainFuck10 nah. The Turbo S is still 0.1 or 0.2 second faster to 60.. Shit you can just tune it without adding anything and get it under 2 seconds
15 years missan is still milking the car. BUT the fact it still compettive after all these years shows what a Fantastic car it was When it came out
I actually like the exterior changes. It's something different to what we have had for 17 years and kind of harkens back to the r34 skyline styling. I actually think they just rolled this out as a testbed for the r36 GTR styling, and some of the styling features might be very similar.
they should have put the lights inspired by r34
@@ashishvishwas9952 it is dude just recoloured
My exact (albeit optimistic) thoughts.
How different is the new Z from the 350z that came out in 2002? Nissan FM Platform first hit market in 2001, its old enough to buy alcohol. Yet, we didn't complain too much about the new Z. Its Nissan doing more Nissan stuff. So at the end of the day they followed the same formula as he Z. I kinda blame the consumer for being okay with Nissan not making a new platform. Not that they could improve overall performance much. It feels like Nissan is perfecting the platforms, not making new car/platforms. Ford is doing the same thing with the Mustang. They dont want to put out millions of dollars for r&d on a new platform, that may or may not be outlawed in the future.
They honestly just should have done what they did with the new Z. Underneath the new exterior, the new Z is extremely similar to the old Z, but with a fresh new look and some performance bumps. If they just refreshed the R35 chassis with a new exterior then im sure that would be enough to appease people
I expected as much, Nissan literally has no money. Theyve been losing money for the past few years
The facelift for the Nismo is going in the right direction and I also like the rear end of the T spec and I think if Nissan would’ve turned the headlights horizontally for this design it would’ve looked a lot better
I guess I'm just glad it's still around, that's all it takes for me to appreciate it in these times. The rendering of what the R36 would look like would be way more impressive than what they actually made. Maybe they should make an actual kit out of the rendering...
People just don't understand the Japanese automacers are obsessed with the kaizen-spirit, which is why the LF-A took so long to be finished and ended up as such a masterpiece, not necessary for its release time, but still very impactful and impressive.
Just appreciate that they are keeping this great car around for so long.
In a few years, we may never see another like the R35 again.
As an engineer, I can definitely say that the engineers have to work within the specific budget given to them for the GTR and at the moment Nissan is more focused on redesigning their entire line up. To redesign the R35 to look like the R36 concept drawing could change the aerodynamics and handling of the vehicle. As a car enthusiast i would love to see a more modern GTR but I'm honestly glad the GTR still exist even nissan's push to have a EV line up
what i think: i really do think the R36 could be in it's final stages of development, perhaps in production of the first prototypes/test models, but the new Z which was meant to be nissan's "saving grace" just really hasn't been as successful as everyone expected (mainly because dealerships in the U.S are literally killing every sportscar recently) and they revealing this 2024 GT-R with some minor upgrades, but at the same time it's the biggest change we've seen since the 2017 facelift, it gives them more time to finalize the R36.
Agreed
Why dealerships are killing sports cars whats the issue?
I hope nissan aren't like every other manufacturer and make an SUV with the GTR badge
@@OnlyforPinks electric SUVs and just evs in general are selling over sports cars so dealerships just don't sell sport cars anymore which encourages manafactures to make non sport cars
@@Spud_Farmer massive mark ups as well ay
There are some solid points here that change my earlier opinion that I rather see it evolve rather than get the axe. That is, it's also hard to justify a buying a new car that isn't too different than the original one that came out over decade ago. Look at the 400Z, under the skin, it's a 370Z with a parts bin engine; nothing special but it's enough for people justify the upgrade.
Nissan isn't swimming in cash to go wild but a refresh like the 400Z would revive the interest in the GTR.
They could've changed the angle of the headlights, and the angles of the vents on the front bumper, *AND NOTHING ELSE* and it would've been a better improvement than what they ACTUALLY did.
better than improving the actual mechanics of the car? 🤔
The thing is that the car needs to perform that the gtr motto
Can’t do that. They didn’t so current GTR owners can upgrade the face and rear if they choose to.
@@lorddoobsworth144 exactly
Money money money, it’s all about the money. Why would they care what the community wants when people are still gonna buy the car
Back in 2015, there was the Infiniti Q50 Eau Rouge concept which a lot of people forgot. It was an Infiniti Q50 with the VR38 engine and the ATTESSA-ETS awd system.
It was literally a Skyline GT-R because the Q50 was the Skyline in Japan.
The issue was the whole Carlos Ghosn saga, money issues, and the fact that the GT-R legacy always has the car with a unique engine. An engine that is never shared with any other car from Nissan. That's just tradition.
What do you think of the Infiniti project back look? Maybe Nissan can use that plate form for a new GTR
I happened to be working at an Infiniti dealer when that concept was revealed. I'm still pissed that specific car never made it to production. The Red Sport doesn't quite do it for me lol.
@@jeremysoto4596 As David touched on in the video, the GT-R is still a great car. Still great bang for the buck. And that's while not worrying about long wait times (Porsche) or ridiculous markups (Corvette).
I can see them trying for hybridization, but the GT-R doesn't need to change all that much to still be relevant performance wise.
@@placeholder2924 no one's complaining about the performance every 2 years or so Nissan increases the power.. people want a different look of the GTR..and possibly a manual transmission... power train can stay it's a winning power train it's just the look of the car has served it's time and there should be an update ..2009 was a long time ago.Car should of had a refresh in 2015 or something... something perhaps a little more sleeker and lower
I’m mainly disappointed because they “reveal” it like it’s something groundbreaking but what did they really do that aftermarket can’t do? Not to mention this isn’t even coming to the States.
This worries me because I really want to see the R36 but is telling me that they haven’t invested in a new powertrain, or if they have, it’ll sadly be a hybrid or EV of some sort.
When a car is so good don't change to much
Feels like this will be the pinnacle of the GTR chassis. Anything "new" will likely implement a hybrid or full electric platform that will kill the brand. Seems like auto manufacturers seem to follow the trend of rebadging, recycle, be safe with not investing huge risk into popular platforms like the supra, integra, GTR, bronco, etc... just ride the coattails of the name type "design".
Honestly I dig the new gtr. If it’s not broken, don’t fix it. Every time a car we know and love gets a full remodel/ we don’t like it . A few changes here and there, it’s good
This reminds me of the R32 and R33, obviously apart from drivability - they look fairly the same but one day the difference will become super clear.
David - I've been subbed for probably 8 years plus and I'm guilty of not watching as many of your videos lately, but I always click on your videos like this. I hope you start to do more of these auto industry news\opinion videos as I think it's a good direction for you.
How do they keep selling these new models? The differences from the older models are fractional, but they cost a much heavier MSRP instead of finding a well taken care of used 2015-2017 for 40% cheaper.
I like the new front bumper especially on the Nismo, it reminds me more of the R34. The original front bumper was one of the few things that I never liked about the R35, it looks like the big black grill that Audi used starting in 2005 or so; that I was never a fan of.
The R&D might be difficult but I wished they at least dropped a manual version R35, it might be slower and less efficient in shifting but it would have been a hell of a drive regardless.
I think the third refresh looks fine. But definitely should have been the new generation being unveiled. But if keeping this platform for another few years prevents hybrid I am okay with it.
Did you know that the holy trinity of the automotive world aka the McLaren P1, Ferrari LaFerrari and Porsche 918 Spyder which everyone still DROOLING OVER to this day, are HYBRID??
For me, it was a good design and they didn’t screw it up. Can’t be too mad at it. They could have done what other manufacturers do and completely change the body. Also, if you wanted the certain styling of the previous gtr and you can’t find a good stock one or modified one that hasn’t been beaten up, now hopefully the prices won’t substantially increase since the body isn’t radically changed. That’s just speculation, but it could factor into values of the used cars.
Having said that, the rendering is HOT.
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The rendering by Roman is spot on! I have never seen that before. Absolutely perfect!
I sweaaar that thing was NASTY
Meh, it's rear looks like a alfa romeo 4c. Front doesn't mach the rest and looks dated.
So people are mad that it’s evolving the correct way
nobody complains when porsche releases the same platform for 20 years straight. if it ain’t broke don’t fix it and it definitely ain’t broke
The 911 gets continuous updates with each generation with vastly improved performance
The R35 gets... a facelift. Alright then
Your analogy is wrong
@@Sowodiumthe current base gtr has 100 more horsepower than when it originally came out. the AWD system has gotten improvements. they’ve added a front LSD. it’s gotten quality of life improvements. stop acting like they’ve been re-releasing the same car for 15 years.
Man the 911 it's an icona the GTR is not.
@@ogmK4rlthat’s subjective. ask a japanese person and they’ll say the GTR nameplate is iconic.
One of the biggest examples of "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
No, this car does not need to move on, it does not need to change you are so wrong about this! This car is perfect as it is and improving it step by step has brought it to where it is today. In Europe this car is no longer in production which makes me very very sad and the chance that there are still good drivable ones around until i can afford one in a couple years are slim.... Them still producing the car in 2024 tho opens up the option for me to later on import it whenever i can afford one
Right on with your man.
I fully agree bro.. Preach
That thought process is why they will only sell 25 a year
@@pacekey694 They stopped producing in europe not because sales were bad, they stopped because the new CO2 emission rules of the European Union would basicly make it almost improfitable for them (atleast according to their official statement)
Also i would hate a hybrid or a fully electric version of the GTR because it would never feel the same, and i just love the sound and the brutal force you experience with this beautiful V6, for a hybrid they would have to change it aswell, altho it is more close to the original, but fully electric would outright suck, specially in winter. I don't wanna own a Tesla a la Nissan, i want a Nissan a la Nissan, if i'd like a Tesla (which i don't ) i'd go to Tesla!
@@Zorrolord so the sales we were discussing were us and Canada not Europe. They only sold around 50 models in the us. The sales were never good in Europe due to its price so that wasn’t even considered. Yes they did stop selling in Europe but if it was high sales volume vehicle for the market they would have been introduced a redesign. The point still stands that they only sale a handful a year regardless of market. To be competitive and comply with emissions, they would most certainly have to go hybrid. Which I think would be good.
I agree .. I still think Nissan needs to make a FLEX / RACE fuel option and get the car to ~700hp maybe it's a limited edition like Porsche does with the GT3 RS.
Honestly, I would love to own one of these 2024 Nissan GTRs... the years of development and refinement that has been put into this platform is commendable. I like that NISSAN is not out there to steal money from customers the way other manufacturers do.
IF only I had a spare $200,000 lying around... would love a nismo
the problem with the gtr is the same problem the mark 4 supra and fd rx7 had. how do you improve on near perfection?
I think they should have at least done what they did with the new Z. Even if 80% of the parts were exactly the same, if they had just updated the body panels and a few others things it could have been a big hit.
It took almost 20 years for them to move on from the R34 GTR, and unfortunately they (Nissan) know by now, this is not a high sales volume type of car so they're always gonna struggle to get any new car across the line. You gotta remember everyone hated the R35 when it came out and dropped the RB engine series. I'm just glad there's still a GTR available to this day
I’m just glad we’re still getting a Gojira.
I'm certainly not blown away by the unveiling, but I'm not disappointed either. I am content as long as something has been improved.
If you know Nissan, you expected exactly this. Lol
@@Treaxvour or infiniti
Nissan is a "dead man walking" in the US Market...
Amazing GTR !!
I think the price point is just too steep nowadays. Would prefer a 911 at that point.
To try and help and not just joke; Could Nissan make a RWD only GT-S with an manual transmission out of this platform to help spice things up?! Same engine just different drivetrain setup. Like the Audi R8 GT RWD is where my thinking comes from.
This! I agree!
That's pretty much exactly what the Z is. Imo, the front LSD is a significant drive train mod that will improve the handling. The Z on the other hand, didn't even come with an LSD on the base model, which was a big mistake.
@@Treaxvour As far as the first part that's like saying the GR86 and the Supra are the same now because the Supra has a manual transmission or a Gen 6 Camaro and a C7 Corvette are the same. The Z and the GT-R are two way different platforms and besides back in the good old days they sold both the Z and GT-S at the same time in Japan and here in the States the Infiniti G/Q cars are supposed to be GT-S like cars anyway. No problem with the rest of what you said. (Sorry for being long winded)
The good thing about having a decade long car is a bazillion aftermarket parts instead of changing every 3 yrs. You can literally replace the entire car with goodies. Probably the most realistic daily.
It wasn't changed because it's so incredibly great and ahead of it's time. The Nismo can still go toe to toe with the ZO6 in 2023
That rendering is badass and that's totally what Nissan should do for the R36. If not, someone should make a body kit for the R35/R36 to make it look like the rendering.
This is what I exactly feared the most... Nissan is really short on cash, and this is what they can do best at the moment. They hoped the Z could sorta bring back the fandom, but that plan got ruined by stealerships and underperformed against Supra. That's all fine. If Z positioned itself as a old school fun sports car, that's honestly cheaper than Supra and performs by the price point. But everyone jumped and built the hype as if this was a Supra killer.
I don't know what Nissan was targeting with the GTR anymore. I honestly hoped that Nissan would stop with the GTR production for the time being and focus on developing the R36 instead, if their budget is so damn tight that this is all they can do. The Z made me fear for exactly this scenario, and this 2024 GTR hammers the nail to the coffin. If it's far too costly, isn't Stellantis a massive fucking group? Isn't there really one company that Nissan can partner up to come up with an insane GTR and have a sibling sold elsewhere? Many ppl will hate this, but Toyota was absolutely right with collabbing to offer 86 and Supra. It simply allows companies to sell us enthusiast cars that are actually special. And after that, Toyota even had balls to offer up the GR Corolla afterwards. People may scream why Toyota didn't do for all three cars but... there's reason why GR Corolla was the last to come. Toyota actually made money and carefully assessed market, launching Toyota's own engineered car at a perfect timing. Can Nissan ever outdo Toyota? Absolutely, with proper funding and timing. This isn't.
Coming from a Z owner, the only people who thought the Z was gonna out perform the supra were non z owners. We don't care what HP it comes with because you don't buy a Z to keep it stock.
As for the GTR exactly why do we need another one? Lord knows the GTR is was way too expensive when it first came out and way too much now. Even if they made a new GTR it probably isn't going to be much better than what we have already. That vr38 engine is a hand built monster.
Honestly the best thing they can do is scrap plans for a new GTR and put that time and effort into a new S chassis/entry level sports car. Something in the 20-30k range to compete with the brz and Miata.
Edit: I can't blame stealerships either as the only Z's that have been sold are the proto models and those were gonna be marked up. It's a supply issue since they're coming from Japan so idk give it a few months and you'll probably see more of them.
@@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS Wasn't the GTR sub $100k when it released?
@LOVE. VIBES. x PROJECT CARS Well, if you put it like that, I really can't say much because Honda is doing exactly the same thing right now with the NSX and went all in with the CTR, and now with ITS.
Perhaps what Nissan really needs is the Silvia revival, but didn't Nissan tease us with the revival of the Datsun 510? I dunno where that's going but I guess Nissan does have an option of going low end price point instead of meaninglessly trying to keep up on a losing ground with the GTR even though the car is still magnificent... yet feels very overpriced.
@@person.w9780 yeah it was like 70k in 08 but it's 110k+ now.
@@preventer333 yea Honda lost me with the ITS. They really dropped the ball with it and I really don't know why they won't make an entry level rwd car... Well actually typing that out loud summed it up. Harming the civic sales.🤦🏾
Yeah awhile ago they had thatIDX concept but to be honest idk if the s chassis community would want a retro car based off a 510. I think they would want something that resembles the s15 shape but modern. It really doesn't even have to be a new platform. They could put it on the fm platform as it's super drift capable, cost effective, and just make a 4 banger and I'm sure everyone would like that.
Seems to me that is the one type of car that's missing on the market a turbo inline 4 red manual 2+2 car. Closest we have is the brz/gr86 but that boxer engine is just meh and the Miata has a good engine but it's just too small.
In the world of current BMW/Mercedes styling, I have 0 issues with the new look. The new non Nismo rear is better for me and the front is, well inspired from R34 and at least different. If you don't like it, you can always swap them, they literally just changed the bumpers, not the facia or the hood/fenders.
Do you think you’re gonna do a video on the corvette E ray? I just found out about it and I kinda like it ngl it’s like the new nsx but with a v8
Nissan GTR base should have got 600 hp and GTR nismo should have got 680 hp to make for the looks and update the interior.
I’d like to see a shorter wheelbase to make it lighter and more chuckable. More aggressive stance, lower to the ground, and keep engine the same but focus on dropping the weight. That would take the GTR to a whole new level
Nissan needs to do one of 2 things engineering wise to get it back to the top. Mid-engine layout, probably a front mid-engine layout like the MB AMG GT or and, most likely what they will do, a hybrid. I doubt we'll get a R34 styled R36, but it would be alot less expensive than the engineering things I brought up.
It’s crazy to see this channel blow up to over a milly. I remember when I was in the market for my Z and stumbled acrosss that Smurf blue build. Keep it going bruh . I haven’t been on here in years btw.
The 2024 r35 facelift looks worse than the pre-facelifted 2022
Remember the excitement people had when they saw a gtr for the first time in the US. Who would have thought they would be seeing the same thing more than a decade later
Yeah, the new Nissan GT-R looks similar to the old one, but Nissan's just keeping the GT-R's shape alive, and there's some different details below the headlights of the new Nissan GT-R that are different from the old Nissan GT-R from 2009. Have you ever heard the phrase "you get what you get, and you don't throw a fit? Because it's funny that the people who think the new Nissan GT-R is a letdown, throw a fit on the new Nissan GT-R. Like it's literally keeping the shape alive.
seeing a refreshed version of a car that was unveiled in 2007 isn't ideal it's time for a new GTR. That car is awesome and I will give it that but it's way overdue for moving onto a new chassis. I really really dig. The Artist rendition of the R36 is what I'd absolutely love to see in a R36 especially in Skyline Midnight Purple.
I've never really been a fan of the R35 or the deletion of the SKYLINE name, but if I had R35 money, I'd jump on an R33/Nismo 400R.
And that rendering is LUST! The silver one looks like the NISMO R33 GTR LM.
With how Nissan’s sales are, I’m also surprised they had the budget to do any updates. Let alone introduce the new Z, which I just can’t get stand the front end on.
The R35 was actually supposed to be discontinued already, so to be mad they kept it around with some updates to both the base and nismo is nice. Would you rather have it disappear like the NSX which is out of production again? 🤷
R35 has been milked so hard. The car was ground breaking in the late 2000s and the GTR line has been amazing for years but now it's crap because they refuse to release a new car for some reason. Also the R36 will probbaly be electric which will be disgusting
I have a hunch that the actual gtr r46 could be using the same engine as 400z with addition of hybrid boost to 600-700hp combined....
And that r36+34+33 also seems plausible...(judging by the trend of design route they took on 400z)
Honestly, I cherish this time witnessing a legend being developed, I believe in future we will look back at R35, and say "this car was like nothing before, at the release it was ahead of it's time, it paved the way to acceptance for many electronic traction and suspension systems, and it stayed relevant for almost two decades, such a legend, they don't build cars like that anymore"
Lotus Esprit: 28 years in production.
Community: it was such an iconic, refined sportcar, stayed relevant for decades.
Nissan GTR R35: only at halfway point of that, and still obliterating most supercars.
Community: it's too old we want a new model.
Community when new generation of sportcar is released(NSX example): it's gone hybrid, where is purity, it has electronic drive assistance, it doesn't deserve to hold this iconic name....
That Avante X Roman Miah design is the best reinterpretation of what the next GTR is supposed to be, something that can rival the 992 Turbo S. Nissan could've just redesigned the body and carried over modified components to make a 700HP Avante X Roman Miah R36 GTR.
Basically like the 2024 Mustang. Same s550 chassis.
Have you seen the Dark Horse’s strut bar? It’s basically the same
The look of the r35 is timeless in my opinion. It looked modern back then as it looks now. If it isn’t broken why fix it. Nissan must of taken advice from porsche.
Honestly them Nismo seats reminds me of the carbon fiber race seats in Grand Theft Auto 5.😂😂😂
Bro I’m still trying to get one since 2012 they can keep making the same one that helps my chances of getting one
What you’re not thinking of is why. I’m sure Nissan is spending millions of dollars trying to perfect whatever drivetrain is going into the r36. They know it’s going to be hard to out do themselves with the r36 compared to the r35. So why spend money on making the drivetrain of the r35 better, when that’s just raising the bar of what’s going to be expected for the r36, and the money would just be better spent developing the r36 platform. So they did what they could do without hurting themselves in the process, they made the body kit better and made aerodynamics more efficient, newer/upgraded interior, and lights and all those bells and whistles. This is what we get as a placeholder until the r36 is ready, and yes I agree it’s taking a very long time but there’s a reason for everything.
If R36 is GTA VI than GTR is Skyrim.
Nissan should not discontinue this. They should sell it directly to the customer bypassing dealer markups and lower the cost to the consumer, while improving it over time.
The R35 is like perfectly toasted white bread. Great performer, never fails, goes great with everything. Its still bread. Cutting the crust a little bit doesn't make it look any less like the same ol bread we've swallowed the past decade+ lol.
the artist rendition is really good. has the boxy head light and the rear end has great shape that compliments the old style as well. good looking cars seem to be a thing of the past, most modern car designs are simply not that appealing
I have a 2020 GTR and I'm still super happy with it (Blue 50th Anniversary). Don't see big enough changes to not like my R35. I do like the new spoiler better. If I did get one of the new ones I would probably go Nismo just for fun.
It may not be a huge change, but it’s still in production for US and other countries, While it’s been discontinued in Europe.And should be appreciate what you’ve got.
Do we really need an R36 though? I mean, It's a model that's been around since 2007 and is still kicking because it's just that good, and discontinuing it will simply be an excuse for people to amp up the price of their used cars for no reason