Linux User Problems
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- A linux user sent me a letter saying he was having TONs of problems. .
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To prevent breaking Linux, it's quite simple: refrain from copying and pasting everything you find online if you're unsure of what the command accomplishes.
True. Also quitting cold turkey is a bad choice... better to just slowly transition and find the things you like and work for you... otherwise you are going to be frustrated at not finding what you need from the start.
Breaking stuff is how you learn though. Shouldn't be afraid to break things, but you should always, always back up before doing anything you're unsure of. I love Timeshift for this.
@@soulstenance Just to clarify, I also enjoy experimenting with new things. However, I prefer not to do this on my primary computer :D. Ever since ChatGPT was introduced, I've been pasting every unknow command into it, seeking detailed explanations, and determining if the command can resolve my issue.
Or use an immutable distro. Then, if you manage to break anything just roll it back.
Oh that's great advice! Noobs need to spend a few days reading up on how their OS works before they get to install the software they need. That should help with adoption.
Seriously though, the persistent reliance on the command line is a large part of what scares normies away from desktop Linux. Not helped by the fact that all these distros are maintained by nerds who actually enjoy endlessly tinkering with their OS, and wo prefer to just use the command line because it's faster. Meanwhile, casual users who don't care to know how any if this stuff works are conditioned to mindlessly copypaste to the command line, because that's usually what the install instructions tell them to do whenever they look for the programs they need.
If I want an OS for my mom, it's a complete non-starter if she ever has to input anything to the command line. The command line is scary arcane magic she happily abandoned in the early 90's. To be fair, I could easily set up Mint to be the perfect OS for her. However she would forever be reliant on me if she needed to install anything new.
Something like Steam OS is probably the answer, because it's not made for Linux users.
If Brodie Robertson, Distrotube, The Linux Cast or Chris Titus says "This is the best distro ever and I'm staying on it" take it with a grain of salt. It might work for them or it might work for them for a while but it might not work for you.
Exactly right. It's not that they don't know what they're talking about, but everyone's mileage will vary. Not everyone is into the minimalist WM setup they like to use on camera for example. The distros put a lot of time and effort into their default settings from software selection to the theme and colors of the desktop environment they default to. These defaults serve a purpose for a lot of people and should not be written off IMO.
Yep. I started my journey with Arch Linux, because Mutahar (SomeOrdinaryGamers) uses it and he has a full guide on how to install Arch. It was an eye opening journey because for more than half a decade I was and still am primarily use Windows. After a month or so I moved on, realizing that having to do everything by hand is not for me: clearing the root directory of old caches for example. Next was opensuse and it was a good distro, but it feels slow so I put it as an emergency distro, something to come back to. Then I entered the Void, which I consider is easier Arch, even manually partitioning my drive, something I learned from Mutahar’s arch install. I have no plans for distro hopping atm, or any time soon.
I switched to Hyprland because of Brodie, only to find out that Brodie hasn't been able to use Hyprland in months because of an OBS incompatibility.
No regrets-Hyprland is sweet, and I don't need OBS on that system, but yeah, this is good advice.
Those guys are all great; very knowledgable. I'm a fan of them all. But they're all seasoned Linux users with years of experience. If new Linux users want pointers, I would recommend someone more like Jay LaCroix over at Learn Linux TV. He might be more beginner friendly than jumping straight into something like Arch.
Mutahar is a grifter. @@F_Around_and_find_out
I understand where he’s coming from. I’ve been using Linux for a couple years now and I’m by no means an expert, but I’ve had many issues that have almost broke my system. There’s less of the abstraction windows provides. You have to jump through a few extra hurdles but honestly it’s worth it knowing I actually own my computer and operating system
is threre any computer os that doesn't require searching on google for solutions?
Linux mint is that distro. It's targeted for people new to linux. If one can't use LM then no linux will be for him/her.
@@DV-ml4fm Linux Mint on my mom's Intel NUC wouldn't allow her to use her desktop speakers because the OS insisted that she must use the ones connected to the HDMI monitor. The problem is that there were _no_ speakers connected to the monitor. In fact, the monitor didn't have any kind of a connector allowing her to plug speakers to them. I had to install stuff to force the system not to use HDMI for that purpose. After an update, my changes were erased and what I originally did to fix the issue could not be done again. In fact, this time, the pulseaudio daemon would get stuck in memory no matter how often you reloaded it and wouldn't even allow her to change the setting from HDMI to speakers connected to the headphone jack. Then, when the audio components were reinstalled in the hope of fixing the experience, the machine would allow her to boot into a black screen. Stellar stuff, really.
That's like saying "that Mercedes over there drives wonderfully whereas this piece of shit Fiat can barely roll for one kilometre without having smoke come out of the engine compartment... but at least I own it."
You talk like if windows users didn't own their PC's 😂
Pathetic
In the EU Microsoft is forced to make apps removeable. Nice move....
still doesn't fix all the telemetry, forced updates, sometimes with new software you didn't ask for or agree with and an unpalatable user agreement.
Windows went from a proprietary OS on your computer to a interface for Microsoft to assimilate your computer into the Microsoft cloud infrastructure.
Yet, in the latest 23H2 US version they blocked HKCR access and has made removing things like OneDrive harder. I'll always find a way to debloat it, but don't think for a second Microsoft will change there ways.
@@TitusTechTalk I will be changing my region settings to Ireland.
@@TitusTechTalk That's what rubbed me the wrong way ever since at least Windows 8. They'd shove stuff in I didn't like. They installed more data taps, reset your opt-out configs after updates. They try to hardwire their onedrive services into the OS. I was thinking back then that I'd need to move away from Windows eventually, because a OS that you have to fight every step of the way and re-check after every update is inherently untrustworthy. And having a untrustworthy OS is kind of a big deal.
I wanted to boycott Windows 10, but home office work kind of forced me to work with it and I begrudgingly accepted it. Also Linux gaming wasn't where it's at today.
Microsoft's recent push to force their severely under-tested AI stuff and the dystopian user agreements that came alongside with that push finally did it for me.
@@Xaito True, but it's a forst step an a very steep ladder.
I tried it for a month. For media consumption, ie, Facebook and TH-cam, it was great. A lot of times, I forgot which OS I was running. But all the desktop apps I tried were inferior. I never even got around to trying games, because I was so busy troubleshooting other things. Finally, I asked myself why I was doing this. It wasn't to save money or enhance my privacy. And I never found a Linux-only killer app that made it worth the effort. So I set it aside with no regrets.
Steam gaming is one area that’s looking very promising
Inferior?AHahaha, sure troll
Until Adobe make the jump over to Linux in some cases this is true, I think Photoshop is still superior to GIMP.
I grant you for the majority of apps though this isn't true.@@TheZeroAssassin
His complaints are valid. What's the alternative to photoshop? Gimp. Gimp is definitely inferior. What's an alternative to Pro Tools or Ableton? Yeah, you know what they are, and theyre buggy piles of crap.
While Linux is not for everyone, neither is Windows or MacOS. What I am thankful for as a user is choice.
windows is more for everyone than linux is thats for sure
windows is more for everyone than linux is thats for sure
@@JM-bl3ihExept it isn't.. more people use Unix and even Linux based systems daily.
@@joriskemper5392 By that logic, lots of people use "freeBSD" for gaming. Except they dont because ps4 isnt really using freeBSD , its just using a highly customized fork of it . And thats what android is to linux wich is what i assume you tried to refer to. Not the same as linux desktop
@@joriskemper5392 Way to be disingenuous. Typical Linux user.
Don't make "switching to linux" the goal. Find an old computer you don't care about in addition to your windows computer and experiment with it, learn the distros' strengths and weaknesses, and how to tweak it to your liking.
Some things are done easier on windows, and there's nothing wrong with using both.
At the end of the day, a computer is a tool like a razor. Using Linux is like using a DE safety razor, they have advantages and disadvantages over proprietary cartridge razors, but once it becomes a hobby, it can become more costly than the just using the cartridge razor especially if you don't actually enjoy shaving. Most people don't like using a computer and just have it as an internet appliance 99% of the time which is why Mac and Chromebooks work. Unless Linux solves a problem in your life, like breathing new life into old hardware, need to run servers or you are Google, Valve or even some Chinese company that makes emulation handhelds hoping to push a new device category with lean free pre-written software to base off of, there is little reason to experiment. Most people will just use whatever that's preinstalled and works; it's only worth trying something else if the current thing isn't working.
I mean, imagine buying a Steam Handheld/Console, and then it breaks every now and then due to "Linux" issues. I think Valve has done a great job in ensuring the stability of its gaming focused OS. Now we just need other distros to do what it does
Other distros can't do this because there's no way every distro becomes immutable. But some options, like Vanilla OS would be great
I can't ever see daily driving an immutable FS on my primary system-I prefer to deal with potential breakages with Timeshift-but immutable systems typically also implement _isolation,_ and I really appreciate that element of the design in Nix, distrobox, flatpak, pipx and conda.
They can't...Valve like Apple controls the hardware so they can tailor and fine tune SteamOS perfectly to the hardware they have selected.
@@Morokiane Yes, and the converse too. It's always been a problem that many hardware developers test only with Windows, but Valve can select hardware which works well with Linux.
I completely agree with your assesment of SteamOS. I've done some silly stuff to mine, and yet haven't broken it, whereas any of my other distro installs wouldn't have survived my tinkering. But it is still kind of annoying to tinker with because of that. But for certain, the immutable/containerized space of linux is really coming up with some interesting stuff, and in some way the future of the OS is there.
The more powerful an os is the easy it is to break.
I will say that KDE, in desktop mode has broken for me, but that might just be KDE. I have, several times had the taskbar vanish for me with no explanation. Game mode is pretty solid though. Best console ever.
@@soulstenance Haha, yeah that's fair. KDE is less stable than I'd like, and I've messed a few settings up in kwin by installing plugins and removing them but not having their settings restore. But not critical or unfixable issues. I like KDE. But I do think its kinda strange Steam chose it for the deck instead of something more lightweight and less complex like LXQT or XFCE.
@@MrDowntemp0 I do like KDE, it's second only to Cinnamon for me. KDE is more fleshed out than the ones you mentioned, that might be why they went with it. It's also more familiar to Windows users. I put an XP theme on my Steamdeck KDE for nostalgia. 😂
@@soulstenance That is most likely the reason why they chose it. The familiarity to Windows users who may be buying the SteamDeck to take their library with them and may need to use desktop mode for some things as many Windows gamers like to tinker.
Yeah, that stable distro that just works is just around the corner 🤣
Any year now they'll come up with the golden egg where everyone agrees that this is the standard directory layout and this is where all the dynamic libraries will be and this is where all the compile headers will be, and it will have one packaging system bla di bla di bla.
I've worked with Linux for the past 8 years. I knew nothing when I started and was forced to become an expert at it in the first few months just to keep it running.
A common problem I ran into is that everyone who documents things for it expects you to know the terminology for that particular piece of software to such a degree that you wouldn't need a manual if you did. It's always "just configure this file with your own settings" and you're left to wonder what the majority of those do if you even find an example configuration to start with.
If it's man made, it's not going to be stable lol. Not even nature or the universe is stable ...
I hear you. But I suspect that any real standard for OS layout is going to be a long time happening. Too many cooks in this kitchen, grin.
We need at least 14 incompatible standards, otherwise it would not be linux.
Pretty-much my thoughts too. I've been a Linux user since 1998, and the really good Linux has been "just around the corner" the entire time! @@BWGPEI has it exactly right with "Too many cooks in this kitchen." When I use a Unix at all any more, it's OpenBSD or FreeBSD because they develop the whole OS as a single unit. Neither have large enough teams to make much of a desktop OS though. Also, "too many cooks" was a Unix problem before Linux. It wasn't so bad as every vendor developed an OS rather than merely packaging parts, but inconsistencies arose as different innovations were made by different people, and now those inconsistencies are THE STANDARD.
it's strange for me because the documentation one of the best things transitioning into linux ( even thoug I dont think documentation is part of the unix philosophyy ). I find it quite helpful that most commands have a man page with information about things work.
Usually people go for Windows due to games. Period. I do not waste my time with games and Linux is my perfect system. My Mint will be frequently updated, where kernel gets updates and I experience zero problems. I even changed to the newest distro and nothing was broken. Not being an expert in Linux, I feel comfortable with it.
Excatly, if you are too dumb to know that sight and sound are the two most important metrics for something that acts as an interface, then you will not understand why everyone doesn't just switch to Mint from Windows. I mean you still can't play HDR? NIVIDA doesn't work well on Linux? I can't play Call of Duty on Linux? I can't mix music without jumping through hoops and half my audio programs don't work? I can't use the big graphic design tools on Linux? It just goes on and on. People want sight and sound to be taken for granted in an interface before anything else. It's a human interface and that's its ultimate function, humans care about sight and sound, be it games, music, art and all the combinations thereof and if you want them to move to Linux then you have to nail that first, and keep it nailed.
@@MeMyself-gf7fnnot every computer user uses sight and sound or computer games.
Only a specific group does.
I understand his frustrations. Having the same problems in the beginnings
but after some time playing arround with linux on and off. distro hopping too.
I'm now almost 1 year fultime debian testing and gaming on it. no more windows here.
To be honest, I've never broken a Linux system. I'm on Arch rn using the KDE Plasma desktop and can't understand what people are doing to their systems to fuck up so bad.
sometimes all you need to do is "apt update && apt upgrade -y" and thats the end of that install lol
@@phutureproofBingo.
@@phutureproof On Debian Stable you can do that without any fear...
This is what a "new" user should use... No testing, no arch... Just Debian Stable...
@@LtSich to be fair it hasn't happened in a long time but I have unfortunately run into it over the years 😭
@@xCDF-pt8kj _All of you arch users are talking bs_
You made up your arch 'issues', so it's you that's talking bs.
It's not exactly immutable, but LMDE ticks all the boxes for me. I would just use Debian but I really like having the latest Cinnamon, Nemo and all the stuff that the Mint team makes. Those packages are all too old on Debian stable and you can't exactly use Flatpak for core system packages.
LMDE sibling by the way! That's also the distro that finally gave me the holy ability to switch and join the light side! Especially perfect timing given Windows 12 making Windows gaming obsolete even if Microsoft is too dumb to realize that.
They WANT to turn Windows into Xbox. They want ALL the same rules on Xbox to apply to Windows.
Given how much Xbox has slowly died, I think it's safe to say that it's the begining of Windows gamings end and the start of Linux gamings golden age.
@@ArtfulCosumDustWelcome! 🙌🙃
just use debian testing.it's stable.
@@sixdroidI've suspected that it wouldn't be too unstable. LMDE is still more stable though and is also always going to be more polished in regards to in-house Mint apps, where they were designed to run.
the main issue i see is less the breaking stuff, its more of a broken user expierience. alone copy and paste - that doesnt work in every app, in the same way etc ...
there so many many many little things that are annoying, break flow of work or need some tinkering. many small tools that are for some user a must have dont exist.
to many foss projects that started doing something, then got abandoned never finished.
all the attitude, do it on the command like (which is by default more prone to error no matter how good you are, and are blockers for regular users) and the lack of standardisation
the later blocks it from commercial use. if you cant have full control over all your desktops via policys and management tools then its unuseable for commercials in bigger rollouts.
maac realized this problem and now offers such a thing because they had to. macs are still a niche thing in enterprises because it was unmangeable.
but to make this work all distros need to come to a common ground, how to manage their system services, their configs and so on. instead distros drifting furter away. even if one distro had somelike like group policies the risk is simply to high that youre forced to move distros in a couple of years to another one that doesnt have it simply because of technical requirements.
distros also dont care as much about having a fully finished product. its all raw alpha and beta kind of thing, unpolished with rough edges. for experts its doable (even tough often annoying) but these are blockers that would need support for a regular user
The thing I dislike about Linux is that it is far too common to not have proper drivers. The sound on my Linux Mint installation is so quiet that I regularly have to use earphones. It's so tempting to go back to Windows where everything works fine.
Windows 11 has great stability. Things just work really well, never had a blue screen of death, and drivers update is easy. But their spying, data harvesting, ram gobbling has turned me off from them. Windows will be a back up if there's something I really need from them. The advent of cheap SATA and m.2 hard drives enables me to do this.
The biggest issue with Mint (and Zorin) is that their Kernel is *so behind* other distros. Even Ubuntu LTS, upon which Mint is based, will upgrade its distro over the course of its 2-year stay. Which, of course it would; two years is a *lot* of time for new hardware to develop and become adopted.
Not Mint, though. They've been on 5.15 since 21 first released nearly two years ago now. People tout it for having great beginner usability, but it's just not stable. I daily drove it for 9 months before finally switching to Kubuntu. Even though I'm still on LTS, the experience has been monstrously better.
I've had problems with sound drivers and trackpads not working right before. Usually upgrading the kernel fixes these issues.
@@domojestic4155Have you tried LMDE???? Maybe I'm just someone too obsessed with Mint but in my experience out of the box I'm already not experiencing glitches found in Ubuntu Cinnamon, Xfce, and MATE.
I know you can update the kernal manually but that can break shit. Being based on Debian, I think they have a more up to date kernal? Unsure.
Having a logistic approach and compartmentalizing Linux is the best way to not be over whelmed.
I'm not switching to Mac Os. My eventual Mac will be used for software I can't use on Windows because of that God awful 12 update. That's it.
@@talktothehat.3314 "You are doing something wrong." This is the problem with Linux. Unlike Windows, it's not apparent what is going wrong. I posted about my sound problem on the Linux Mint forum and even they suggested I try other distros so that I can find one that has proper drivers for my system. I haven't followed on that suggestion yet.
I feel for new Linux users because as I said in a comment to one of DT's videos: the community can sometimes not be friendly to beginners. Yes, it's true that newbies should experiment for themselves and learn to read man pages before asking questions online. HOWEVER, seasoned Linux users need to be patient with beginners and remember what it was like when *they* were beginners. It can be tough to jump to a new OS.
True, because we all started from scratch. Even after more than 6 years of using Linux I'm still a noob.
@@ScottSeufert Totally agree, which is why I say that new-to-Linux users should read man pages and do the best they can to learn. BUT when they have legitimate questions, seasoned Linux users should not be snotty with them for asking honest questions.
While I agree with your take, it is unfortunately not enough : I used linux like 15 years ago for a few years. But what made me abandon it is the fact that production apps were on WIndows.
What prevents me from going back to it is the constant BS of fixing your os at each update. Like it or not, I use my computer to do stuff, os tinkering, hours of manual reading for doing basic stuffs is just... I mean you spend more time in your os doing nothing but fixing or learning its arcane rather than produce shit. Plus the updating a package might lead you to update another package that may be a higher version than what is required by the desktop or whatever, but you still have to find out, roll back in some of the most unfriendly ways.
The most depressing being that I won't have much of a choice left as we are ever more going beyond 1984
@@nlight8769 I never have to fix my OS after updates. I had more problems after Windows updates, like in 2017 when I made the switch to Linux after a W10 update borked my HP Sleekbook. With Timeshift you can make snapshots to go back after an update screws your OS.
Same here, just because people around me can't use linux, i can't use linux.
Second is compatiblity. I used linux for 3 years of COVID, but the moment I got out and started my college, i forcefully had to switch back to windows 10 not 11 ( it's just malware)
I have had the same experience you noted at the begininning of your video: I was looking for a distro stable that does not require too much admin and allow me to program and focus my stuff instead of focusing on the OS. I installed many versions (not all mof course) but finally opted for a dual Linux: debian 12 XFCE and LMDE6 (both stable and reliable enoug for what I am doing)
I really love XFCE because the interface is simple and stright forward wihout many feature you go stright to the point and LMDE because Mint interface is really smooth.
Thanks to the many linux channels and Chris here, I plunged into Linux, and after a unstable Fedora 38+KDE+Wayland experience - OpenSuse Tumbleweed with KDE and Wayland is rock solid for me, no bugs I found aside Firefox once crashing, and I got everything working. Installing from ventoy stick though added an unwanted kernel start parameter which I had to delete in order to boot after installing, but hey, it works. So hang in there :) And Chris, thanks for the motivation.
I left Linux myself many years ago because I was still into gaming. Now I just want an os that is 100% mine without any spying, my files being taken from my desktop and uploaded to some cloud, and having to log into a big cooperation via an account. Also seeing Windows 11 was so unimpressive and seeing how Microsoft's really pushing for an AI based os is just yuck! For me Linux is liberation from a big company putting a leash around my neck. So yeah, now I'm back and using Linux 100%.
For me Debian does the job. Debian 12 + Xfce = STABLE. This runs on my laptop flawlessly and I feel bad for those who are missing out.
So to understand you if youre a gamer like me you cant use linux
@@chrismussel399 Realistically, no. Especially games that run on Windows natively. I used to play a bunch of Japanese 同人ゲーム (doujin games), indie games, and other fan made games that would always use exe files and run on windows.
Sure some of these games would run on WINE flawlessly but maybe only like 5% of all the games I had played. That's just the way it is man.
@@awa0927 thats shitty i hate windoes
Endeavour for a few years now, it has been incredibly good at just getting things right.
Fedora Silverblue is pretty close to what you're talking about, especially with the uBlue images that exist. There's Bazzite, for instance, that exists as a SteamOS alternative.
To be honest there is a lot of immutable linux distros:
-VanillaOS (ubuntu but packages from multiple distros)
-BlendOS (arch but packages from multiple distros)
-all of fedora immutable distros
-bluefin (based on silvernote) but claims that it is more ready to go.
-microOS desktop (from opensuse)
- and there is probably a lot more...
If you want something stable in a way, but different, you may try nixOS (hard to begin) or EasyOS (much different than standard linux distro and some things may not work the way you expect them on standard distro)
EDIT: opensuse tumbleweed should also be oretty stable because it does automatic testing before they upgrade package.
I always recommend pop os or ubuntu to new user. I use pop us on my work machine, never hard problems because all I do is use it with i3 and write the stuff I need to do in it. I use my own distro in my hobby machine that I broke like 10 minutes ago trying to random automatic wallpapers from net. I think expecting to customize and also not expecting things to break is kinda stupid. I break windows, mac and any os if I am tinkering with the kernel and UI. Windows literally breaks on its own, compared to that most linux distros are quite stable.
And here we have it folks, you heard it first.. Next year will be the year of Linux.. just like we said it would be for 30+ years now, that sub 5% market share in consumer desktop across all distros will see strong upward movement any day now ;)
Reminds me of the saying "Fusion will be ready in 5 years"..
How I manage to never break Linux: I just run everything as it is provided by the distro, and all my apps are flatpaks. That's it, I never try to do crazy stuff that would mess up the kernel or drivers, or the bootloader. That's why immutable distros are the future, you need to have a reliable base system that totally prevents the end user from messing up, users are messy, they always do crazy stuff they see on youtube or read on a forum.
That sounds like a much better life than a Windows user for sure.
THANK YOU!!! I've been running Mint for a year and a half and just do "normie" things on it and it works great because i don't mess with anything!
But some apps can't run properly on flatpaks. For example, Steam requires folder access if you want to download games into a different folder other than root. Ik there's like a whole paragraph of commands to change that but let's be honest, running Steam on deb is just much easier.
@@Dxntoo flatseal
@@WolfiiDog13 yeah I'm aware of flatseal but that doesn't change my point. Linux has too many hoops to do things that should just work OOB. It's real fun for a tinkerer and someone who's willing to put elbow grease into making the system work but it sucks for everyone else. Too many distros, package types, DEs to the point it's not worth it for a simpleton. Not really the fault of Linux and the community as a whole but we've got to look at the results and usability here.
I decided to go back to Windows with the new HP system I bought. I just wanted my games to work without any issues. Be it anticheat or mods (Frosty Mod Manager refuses to run on LInux), I just want my stuff to work. For that, my Windows 11 HP Desktop with a Ryzen 5 5600G and my RX 6400 from my dead ThinkCentre, I've got a good little system. I've had no issues in Windows 11 unlike with my old ThinkCentre that was slow as a snail in Windows 10 (even with an SSD). Linux was okay, but games is what brought me back to Windows. I don't see Linux ever being in my future again sadly.
I've been using Mint for several years and quite happy with it. Has never crashed, everything works fine and fast. I only have one application that needs Windows, and for that I run Win 10 in a VM - with it not allowed to connect to the internet, which blocks the backdoor.
I worry about RedHat becoming monopolistic if we all go immutable and us Flatpaks. And for all their advantages, immutable distros feel a bit iffy on the free software side of the equation. But it does otherwise make a lot of sense for the role Debian Stable fills to have an immutable version. But I'd want a community run alternative to Flatpak if I were to lose the ability to install debs. Appimages aren't quite fitting that unfortunately.
I don't quite get what you're saying here. Flatpak is open. Fork it, configure any other repo than flathub and you're completely independent.
Or use any other means of software distribution like app image or nix.
I've recently switched to Linux and I hate the stability issues with updates of regular packages. I've had it with Nobara and Manjaro that updates don't go through without issue because there are some dependency version mismatch going on. It would probably help to go to a major distro rather than some forks to avoid many of such issues, but still - a immutable system seems like so much better of an idea in comparison.
RedHat doesn't control flatpaks though. Flatpak is completely open-source and it's very much possible to change the source you get apps from. Elementary does this to provide their apps, and even Fedora has their own Flatpak repo.
I know most hardcore Linux guys aren't big on distros. But honestly, if this guy wants to try and is having a hard time with it, have him try Zorin OS. It was the one that finally got me out of Windows completely and the one I still daily drive now. It just works. I don't even miss Windows a little bit. Someone like Chris would fit sure find it bloated, I'm sure. But for me, it was just right. I just took off the apps I don't need and left the rest.
As someone who actually used Zorin once, it was a more painful experience than Ubuntu with no gui
@@RealEpikCartfrenYT Really? I was hoping it could be a replacement for windows for a family member who is non-technical but wants out from under microsoft/big-tech in general. Seemed pretty ideal when I was running it as a vm.
@@BT-vj6pk most issues i had were something related to something called xorg. Tried 2 different ISOs across 3 computers. But that was 5 years ago if I remember correctly. Maybe the fixed it by now
The biggest problem with Linux as a new user especially during first few days was that often I didn't even know what I should be looking for when I had an issue in some cases so I couldn't even do a simple search on how to do things because I had no idea what I'm looking for. Ended up stumbling upon some solutions just by a chance.
I went into Linux with expectations that I will fumble and grind to a halt in some cases but I wanted to learn. If I went into it with with expectations like "It's quite good now! Most things just work!" then I would probably reinstall Windows back within first one or two days.
I'm back to Windows now again because of daily Wayland issues and I got really tired of it but I'm going to switch back and forth on a several month basis just to give it another try.
First of all, the current Debian allows you to switch to X11 in the login screen.
*Wayland ist not fully ready now* .
My experience: I started that way too. a dual boot at some point. The Windows, due to security and sluggishness, is used less and less. My experience gained, my knowledge from the Sinx time helped me. As a tip, the current MX Linux XFCE is worth it because of the recovery tool and the creation of a backup USB stick from the running system. So if you mess up too much, you're ready to go again in 5 minutes. I still have my old laptop with Windows lying around.
It will probably be VanillaOS, or a really refined set of user tools on top of NixOS.
For the average person I completely agree, but I love breaking stuff. That's when you learn how stuff works. I love distro hoping for the same reason, keeps my learning new things. What I've learned over time is it comes down to use case. I use Debian on my servers for stability. Arch on my old laptop for how minimal on resources yet modern it is. I'm constantly trying new distros on my main machine where I live for a few months before moving on to the next camp. My daughter had no interest in ever using Linux, but I had the great idea of turning her gaming PC into a console with ChimeraOS for her new TV. She loves it and uses it everyday now. I created a new Linux user just by selecting the right distro for the individual use case for that machine.
Distro hopping makes you use computer to install new op system, but not actually use it. Just stick to ubuntu and start doing actual work with your computer, not just install new distro and spend hours to make your mouse cursor look fancy.
@@VacumOvale I don't disagree. And to Titus Tech's point, I realized really quickly that they were mostly just debian, so my distro hopping just became more about VMing as many obscure/specialized forks as I could find just to see what people would come up with. Never intended on making any of them a daily driver, but found a lot of them really interesting. Went with LMDE well before I got bored of exploring. Honestly I still like loading up some random OS in my free time.
@@BT-vj6pk yea, but, whats the point? Its like girls not being able to decide what to wear before party. And then end up not going because nothing suits..
@@VacumOvale Well my point is that people do for for probably as many reasons as there are distros. Though I agree that people who "can't figure out what to wear" are probably engaging in a futile exercise.
For me its something more like a custom car show. Gives me ideas for my own customizations. Plus I regularly find useful software I've overlooked before.
A little bit of an advantage here. We had retired before Windows 10 arrived, and thus moving to Linux had little drama. In three years we've yet to "break" Mint. We just use it as an OS that works for us every day. And compared to the one MS Windows box I still have, Mint actually shuts down promptly. We live with "time of day" electrical rates and a fast shut-down keeps me from getting chastised for using high power rates. What motivates us sure has changed in the last five years,- not grinning on this one. Am smiling about the overall reliability of Mint coupled with the cheap computing power we can build these days.
The same! Thanks and good luck!
Hi there! I switched from windows to Debian 12 a month ago. I still miss windows because I got used to it, and I can't believe Gnome is missing some basic options I got used to.
1. Slow double click to rename a file
2. Drag and drop to and from archives
3. Image preview in file picker when I upload a picture
4. File copy pause button and speed details
5. Right click on a folder with music to play in some audio player
I still believe the future is an android like Linux with amazing user experience. But I still have to go to windows on a vm just to open an official pdf or an eps file in Illustrator.
Did you try Plasma? It has all of those and more.
@@NameUserOf Thank you! I am going to move to Kubuntu next.
As a DevOps professional who regularly uses Linux, I've attempted to switch to a full Linux workstation over 10 times, but persistent issues with rendering, possibly due to drivers, have dissuaded me, leading me to conclude that the best developer experience is found in Windows with WSL2, where you can even run Arch.
It's not a replacement for a real linux workstation when you truly need performance, but it is a nice middle of the road.
People switching from Windows should just switch to Linux Mint. Its the closest user experience that they would be familiar with. I've used Linux Mint full-time for 12 months now and I've run into no problems or issues with it.
Arch is better
@@loonywalker6729 Better for advanced users. The majority using Windows arent advanced users, they are basic users. And for a general population base of users the best is a easy distro with more familiarity and less complexity. Easing them in is always a transition hurdle people face when trying something new. The easier the transition, the higher the chance of mass adoption rate.
@@Doofus171 arch is not for advanced users, but Gentoo is for advanced.
I'm wainting on VanillaOS exactly for that...
I'm happy with my debian testing on my computer and my debian stable on server.
But clearly, on the destkop side, immutable distro + flatpak is probably something that will be very interesting for the futur !
there is no true differences just for people who don't know what to do
@@sixdroid that's the point of testing it :)
On my opinion it will not be interesting for me (as a tech guy), but I want to see how it work on a daily use.
I would highly recommend Tuxedo OS to new users. Especially if they have hybrid graphics laptops. It has worked almost flawlessly for me. The only thing that hasn't is sleep. I would recommend restarting after an update because avoiding that can cause some weird things ocassionally.
There's nothing wrong with realizing that something is not for you. Kinda sad though that the reason was not being able to figure out the ideal distro. I'd personally choose the DE I like the most and then the distro. I think he might have gone about it the wrong way, maybe enjoyed the hype around Linux, but not Linux itself, or Windows muscle memory was too strong. I was using macOS since 2006, switched to Fedora this year and don't plan on changing any time soon, cause I had pretty concrete expectations before going into this.
It's not a matter of "being something not for you." It's a crap isn't working the way it should be problem.
@@Grizzly907LAYeah and on many distros which lead to misconceptions. That's why it's important to research the people developing the distributions and what they mean.
@@Grizzly907LA I agree with that, that's why people need more realistic expectations before using Linux. Most things will work out of the box and the ones that aren't can be solved with personal effort. Obviously no one has the time, energy or knowledge to do so, that's why it's not for everyone and that's perfectly fine.
Especially once you realize that most DEs have builds on the AUR and now Nix repositories, you literally can live the dream now of having the UX you want on the platform you need.
Said as a proud Arch+Pantheon user.
@@altrogeruvah The person who sent the message is complaining more about getting stuff working that any particular flavor of Linux. That was his biggest gripe.
I think the reason people believe that windows just works is because they have been using windows for years so they know how to fix every minor problem. In a large majority of the cases thats it. I can't use windows anymore because i haven't touched it in years. When i was dual booting for a while, my audio source would always switch when i would open a new program. Its impossible for me to navigate throught the 5 separate submenus to open up a windows 95-looking dialogue to change my audio.
Opposite experience for me as someone that's been dual-booting for months as well as having a Linux distro on my laptop. Audio device keeps changing every time I reboot any of my devices with Linux installed, while windows just works fine. Like I'm at the point where I use both about 50/50 but I find I have to actively acknowledge the operating system and take my mind away from what I want to accomplish or do way more still on Linux, where often times on Windows I forget what operating system I am even on. Also find the way my programs and other files are managed is a lot more disorganized and fucked up on Linux because there isn't one unified way I can manage or install everything. I don't dislike Linux, I just have found using both over a period of years has made me approach the feeling of being apathetic about what operating system use save for the fact half of the software I use isn't available on Linux so........
I installed Linux cause I really enjoyed studying and tinkering with operating systems in my op systems course. I do have a curiosity and interest in operating systems, but I find when my goal is to get something done that isn't just playing around with the operating system, running Linux becomes an annoying distraction working against "actually getting work done". I basically just have it installed on my computer nowadays as a way to explore the way operating systems work, and have actually been leaning towards purposefully using Linux distros I can hack a part easier and that don't try to pretend to be a serious desktop operating system... cause I just find it's kinda bad at being that.
On the other hand, when Windows does break, I don't know how to fix it. It's like a modern car, where opening its hood reveals... another hood with the heartwarming warning that only qualified personnel should be admitted beyond this point.
Whenever Linux breaks, I take a deep breath and remind myself that the basic design of any UNIX stems from the late 1960's, so it must be something rather simple. This is because I too am from the late 1960's, and I myself am rather simple.
@@mattinykanen4780 My experience is that when windows breaks, which happens a lot, there are so many work arounds, safety nets, and fixes installed over the years that theres usually a solution. Or sometimes it just seems to bounce back unless it's completely fubar.
Yep. Honestly as a new linux user who has made an honest go of it rather than just complaining every time something isn't like windows it's kind of depressing to see people my age and younger now that it's a good time to move away from windows acting like boomers who have never turned on a PC, being completely bamboozled by every minor issue that will inevitably come with switching to an OS you've never used before.
It's not that windows is more stable or easier to use, it's that you spent years of your early computing life figuring out how to fix all it's broken crap without even thinking about it. So now you know what you're doing. Then you switch to linux and you encounter some problems you don't know how to fix and suddenly the sky is falling, the OS is so hard to use, help how does an google work. I accept that I will have to spend a few years figuring out the idiosyncrasies of my new OS, the same way I did with windows when I was a kid and I will never truly stop learning how to do thigns. That being said Mint so far has been very easy to use and I haven't had any major issues, perhaps because I took into account that I was going to be using linux when I had the computer built, a little bit of forward planning. A couple of things here and there that needed fixing but nothing too difficult, and it's been a lot more stable than any windows install I've had in the last decade at least.
I've found my home with both the Budgie and Cinnamon desktops, notably with EndeavourOS. These just work for me.
My Win10 machine has been relegated to being a Music Server.
Now that the Raspberry Pi 5 is out, I'll eventually put together an Android Desktop with KonstaKANG's latest build.
im on Arch Linux(Garuda version) I cannot get certain games to play no matter what I try, mostly multiplayer games with anticheat (like Star Citizen and others), but other games like Alan wake 2, tried every single wine and proton version it just spins for a second and never launches, these are the reasons why I haven't fully switched to Linux... other windows apps seem to work fine, maybe a little glitchy but they work.. so Linux is about 95% ready to daily drive and make a permanent move, keeping windows 11 installed still just in case though... Also I wish there was a graphics card control panel for AMD like in windows, to activate advanced features like fluid motion frames etc...
I switched from W10 to Linux Mint 21.1 9 months ago and still can't believe a) why it took me so long and, b) why aren't more people leaving that nasty piece of spyware behind.
As to stability, completely stable due in part to my not fucking around and therefore not finding out.
What about Fedora Silverblue? It’s RHEL, I know, but most importantly it’s already here and has an immutable filesystem
I tried so hard on linux for last 2 month , from completely noob level. Fixed all my problems, except for one. I cant play game on my main screen and watch twitch/TH-cam on second . It just lags terribly. Tried to fix it for 3 days, but i guess it just dont wark on Nvidia, but ive read about same issues on amd also. I just gave up and came back to windows, here two screen media just works
I had to start with Debian when I first started out, had so many issues 😊
Some common problems that Linux users face when trying to decide on the stages of solving a problem include failed installations due to media issues, performance problems on busy systems, and issues with kernel development disconnect from normal users. Other challenges can include network interface errors, USB device compatibility issues, and different desktop managers leading to a fragmented user experience.
I have Open Suse running on a system that I use strictly for email/web browsing and never had a problem yet. Seems to be well behaved. What I did find with most distros of Linux is the lack of decent printer drivers, at least for the printers I have here. I have two Canons that simply cannot be used with Linux, a MB2120 (the driver just made the printer spit out blank pages till the tray was empty) and a MF4770n which a driver simply wasn't available. I have an old MG3020 connected with the Open Suse and it works fine. Keep in mind, I don't use Linux for what most people probably do, just simple things. My wife's machine uses Linux Mint. On that old Dell it seems to run fine and operates her TR4700 Canon printer with no issues. She simply uses it for email, web, zoom meetings and it so far hasn't been a problem. What I've noticed over the years is the stability of a distro seems to be related to the equipment. Some systems seemed to be more fussy than others. I don't have the latest equipment either, most are simply duo core systems and older.
Agree'd
I'm _"Here"_ now bc I'm starting Linux. ANYBODY Can see the writing on the wall for Windows ... so, it's important to be "Good" with a solid open source alternative
(at least in Theory, that sounds right)
But we just can't DEPEND TOTALLY on WinBlows
The one thing holding back SteamOS was the inability to install system packages. I say *was* because SteamOS 3.5 is configured for nix OOTB. I now have Hyprland in Gaming Mode, and my Steam Deck is now the perfect cyberdeck.
Important video to make. I gave up on Linux too. After using it at work for about two decades and loving USING it (as opposed to administering and fixing it), I started using it at home after going freelance. The thing that broke me was the incessant graphics card woes. I'd get my system working just right, but either an OS update, or a driver update would regularly break it. The machine would fail to reach the GUI, and I'd have to do bizarre and ever-changing deep dives to try to repair it. See that's the thing: it was never the same procedure to fix it each time. Very rarely did I get to feel the satisfaction of benefitting from my previous pains with this sort of issue.
I don't think many computer users want to sign up for this sort of experience. We don't want to live in trepidation every time we want to update our OS to keep it secure and with the times. We don't want to quake in our boots (see what I did there?) every time we embark on the arcane process of updating graphics card drivers.
In the end, MacOS offered me the terminal experience I enjoyed so much from Linux, without the soul-destroying experience of trying to maintain a Linux machine while remaining productive at my actual job.
Hackintosh would provide same experience, I've tried it same time I've switched to Linux, no audio. Perhaps I can say "what a useless OS".
I use Linux supported hardware - Intel iGPUs for 15 years, no issues. Switched from NVIDIA I've used before.
@@sergeykish Well I hope you didn't get the impression I was saying Linux is useless. I didn't say anything like that.
Yes, Hackintosh would be a similar nightmare: I'm sure some people have fun with that, but I'm more concerned with being productive than enjoying endless OS tinkering.
Interesting to hear using Intel GPUs yielded an issue free Linux experience for you. I used to work in Visual Effects and I'm not sure Intel offered anything powerful enough for the compute-heavy 3d graphics tasks I had to contend with, at the time. That may have changed now, but I'm quite sure Nvidia and AMD are still far ahead of Intel in that arena, so if I were still in that industry, I'd have to sacrifice GPU power for stability in Linux, but far less so in MacOS.
Anyway, to conclude, I don't think it is fair to compare Hackintosh use in production, to using an Nvidia card in Linux in production. Assembling a Hackintosh contravenes a plethora of MacOS hardware expectations, whereas using an Nvidia card in Linux, uses Nvidia certified drivers, and isn't remotely as 'hacky' as piecing together a Frankenstein machine the OS developer actively wants people NOT to use to run their software.
Yeah. I am so sick and tired of all those Linux promoters on TH-cam saying as if Linux is perfect and telling viewers to switch to Linux. Linux is the best, if you want to use only terminal, but if you try to use it as a desktop there are all sorts of problems. I have been using Linux desktop as my OS for about a year (used as a secondary before that), and for the moment, I think I will keep using Linux desktop, but there are so many GUI/graphics-related issues.
I am using Wayland, and even though it seems that Wayland started about a DECADE ago, Java developers only started seriously working on supporting it. So, for the time being, no Java applications, such as Android Studio support Wayland, resulting in blurry text. Visual Studio Code also has problems. First, I had to do search and editing config files to enable Wayland to remove blurriness, a problem that does not exist under Windows, and then IME is not working on Wayland, so I cannot type Asian text. Also, its shortcut is for some reason not pinnable on the Dash, so I have to run it from the app list every time.
And the GPU hardware issues. At first I tried to use Nvidia, which was a dumpster fire. Then I switched to AMD, but it was a dumpster fire for things like Blender and A.I. Blender kept crashing and it has been a known issue for over a year (meaning that AMD could not fix the problem). Then I switched to Intel Arc, and it has weird problems too like random screen freezing when doing a certain thing. Also, there is no official config tool from Intel, so unlike Windows, I cannot adjust the power/fan or view power consumption, etc. Basically a second-class citizen.
Well I can relate to this person! After working/studying, you just want to relax with your computer, and not fix something for many hours.
Thanks for the video!
Its really sad because for me the "forever distro to live in" is Gentoo.
And he has the point.
After lot of distro hopping for me is Gentoo. If you are not prepared for distro hopping probably you can't find your perfect fit.
I just love computers and I'll use any operating system, however my daily most used is always a Linux based o/s because its set up by me and normally its me that breaks it "but not always" 😇
I'm in the same position. Had been a Linux User for the last year and half but getting tired of bug, crash, and various problems I encountered. The last one made me switch back to windows with the loss of possibility to write to my second SSD for "lack of space" problem when 1.5Tb was available. I will definately come back to Linux later if I can find a physical ssd switcher to avoid using strange bootloader or if I build a second computer.
It's probably the file system used by Linux ( Window can't use it ) .
As a person who uses a 42" Oled as a monitor once we get HDR in Linux on the desktop and games then I will switch it is my last hold out.
Would you recommend Mint for Windows converts?
I have tried several distros, and Mint is my favorite, as a former Windows user.
Not sure what most people think about this take, but imo, one thing to make sure that people stick to an immutable distro is to have multiple desktop enviroments avalable, I very neasrly made the switch to Vanilla but without KDE its just not for me
Same for me, I always broke my OS within a week. That's why I love kinoite. I do love the Fedora community way more than Debian and Ublue just hits all of the marks I need. All of the drviers, even for RGB are preinstalled and everything just works. I need to mess around with stuff? Containers. I was manually controlling the i2c devices on my system via containers without an issue and did not modify my OS at all.
The Linux "problem" is that it's a great server, but a poor desktop... it's always been a poor desktop.
How about Fedora Silverblue? Does that count as community run immutable distro?
I guess as a user, i started with Linux in a dual boot system. I had done this with dual boot. While in linux i used a book called "the linux command line-Complete Introduction" and i practiced for 6 month, on the command line, and scripts, etc. So all this to say is that before i dropped Windows, i practiced to a point where i felt comfortable. I was very comfortable with windows.
While using windows in a dual boot system, i learnt how to make it work and found out about grub. I made many mistakes but learnt much more on linux than on windows. Then i dumped windows and started with Lite Linux for a year. I learnt KVM and started building VM's to do some distro hopping. They were all cool and fun. I am not a fan of gentoo. Too much work to get a working OS.
I realized after distro hopping the following
a) mostly all distros, after you take away of the DM, or WM, you have the same command line, and the same basic tools. For any tool or software you need, you download with the distro package manager.
b) most distros are based on debian/arch
c) Debian is the most stable and you don't have go crazy to fix all the problems.
d) monitoring errors using Journalctl or syslog or dmesg can make your hair grey. Errors are happening all the time, If your system is working as expected, then you don't have to go crazy and solve all the messages in your journal/syslog files.
Finally after all that distro hopping im down to Debian 12 with KDE. I find Gnome no where like windows, but KDE much closer to windows. I find gnome to difficult for windows users, but KDE or XFCE are better because thats the windows environment today. Gnome may have been good as an alternative to Window8.0 with the start menu. But everybody hated that and opted for Windows 8.1 which was much better. I believe windows 10 is the best of the windows operating system. Even better than Windows11. But that is a choice.
In the End, im very happy as a Debian12-KDE user. Its Debian Of Course!!! :) Second is Arch.
With my usecase (server and network administration, some virtualization, instant messaging and videoconferencing, some videos, email, couple of games) Linux and Windows are essentially the same. Sometimes I forget what exactly is on my laptop right now . But I know what I' ususlly dislike on my machines: 1) the systems that try to spy on me more and more or require extra "de-bloating" efforts (hi, Microsoft and MacOS), 2) the systems that require extra efforts in setting up or keeping it running (hi Arch, Gentoo, Slackware, Nixos and ... MacOS), 3) immutable systems (I like to retain certain control of my systems _without_extra_effort_to_do_so_). Ideology aside, Fedora, Deian, SuSE are OK (not Ubuntu anymore, as their NIH syndrome creates unnecessary problems). I don't trust most most of the "derivative" or "one person" distros, because you can't rely on them being here tomorrow. When Fedora and Open SuSE will become immutable by default in a couple of years, inevitablly neglecting their "modular" flavors, I'll most probably go the Debian Sid route.
I have distributed hop for about 6 months after getting a Steam Deck and finally settle using MX Linux KDE. Seems to be working well so far for the last 3-4 months except that I sometime couldn’t boot into systemd option. Not sure why but overall it seems to be working fine on my two computers. Love the KDE’s “Workspace” feature instead of using the virtual desktop.
It's interesting how I have a different experience than the guy. I moved to Linux 3 months ago. After long preparations and digging I chose Mint.
I indeed had to spend maybe 10 hours to set it up how I wanted (+ digging for a few months ahead because I had to find replacements for some apps that do not run on Linux). I had to fix some issues (e.g., the second monitor not working, and long boot times once I had installed drivers for the second monitor) but when I considered I didn't have much experience before I think It was smooth sail thanks to great Mint being gr8 system and the community which helped me a lot.
I was also surprised I had no issues playing games I like (thanks Valve and Lutris). Now I'm pretty certain I'm not going back to Windows as my main system ever again (maybe as VM but I haven't found use for it yet as everything works fine on Mint for me).
Overall I hope more people will have the same experience as I have because it was 100% worth it.
Sounds lovely, has the rest of the Linux community got the memo? We don't see any torches, and nary a pitchfork.
Jokes aside, "it will be great someday" isn't helpful _now_ Titus, and is a statement approaching a "Year of the Linux Desktop" level meme.
I've found more than a year ago that Arch with plasma suits me the best. Now with all wayland plasma 6 around the corner is a good time for linux in general.
I really hope Valve will release that Steam OS 3.0 to the public and not only for the Steam deck - this is what i am waiting for soo blooody hard
Yes! And with nVidia support.
Right now, my whole gripe about Linux is the battle between X11 and Wayland. Like all the big DE's are pushing everybody to Wayland while program developers are still stuck in X11. Multimedia and graphics production sucks on Wayland, but the programmer focused nerds seem not to care, and they wonder why adoption among normal users is so slow. I'll probably keep dual booting till developers get their heads out of their asses and start developing for all, not just the neck beards.
I've had issues with Mate. When Adobe got rid of Flash support, I was stuck on a system update because Mate kept trying to download and look for updates for Flash from Adobe's site. It's stuff like that, that gets really annoying. Another issue is file management while more secure is a lot less user friendly. For example, I have multiple folders for GZDoom on my PC and I have it this way because I have certain mods in certain folders. If I try to use GZDoom on Linux, I can get a mod to work but I can't, or I don't know how to have multiple folders of the same program like I can on Windows.
Immutable distros are a waste of space. I'm already running out of space on my drives as is, I don't want several duplicates of the same dependencies for every program. It's bad enough that Steam already creates a separate Proton prefix for every single game, even when they are on the same Proton version. I don't want the host OS doing it too.
I used to try Linux and then always ended up going back to Windows. It was mostly my dislike for gnome. I understand gnome is good, but not my cup of tea.
Last year, I tried Kubuntu, and it has desktop environment which is similar to windows, and it looks beautiful to me.
What I love most about Linux is that how snappy my laptop feels without fans running all the time.
The power of Arch at hand!
I like Mint (Cinnamon), started out with it in a VM... was rather easy to adapt to.
Like all tools, you need to have a use for your OS. Whatever you spend the majority of your time doing, find an OS that is good for that, or customise what you like to be good at that.
For an example, as a developer, Linux is great for me. If I just played games all day I'd be happy on Windows. You *can* play games on Linux, but if it's the only thing you do then you will have a better time playing games on Windows. Pick the right tool for your job.
I use Linux since 1999. I started in 1998
7, as a non tech user, with only 2 years of experience with Windows.
At first, I used it as a secondary system next to Windows, to figure out how it works, etc.
Windows was my main system for about 2 years from that point. After that, I used Windows only for applications that weren't available on Linux. In the end I used Windows rarely using a virtual pc.
Nowadays i don't have Windows installed.
I only use Windows at work snd always wonder why it's so bad at Window management, compared to Linux with Plasma.
I think the main hurdle nowadays for new users is that Linux is a completely different operating system, and requires people who maintain it to start learning it from scratch.
And still not every piece of hardware is supported by Linux, and not every Windows application has a viable Linux counterpart.
Yeah, immutable distros will definitely lead to creating a Linux distro I'd want to use. Right now there isn't one, but I can see the path to one being made
Have you messed with SteamOS on a regular desktop at all? I'm really hoping that will become a real thing because when I'm home most of my time on my system is spent gaming, or just watching YT, checking email, doing research or whatever. I am constantly rebooting into Winblows to play BF4 and use my Oculus rift (yes I still have the original) in other games - but unfortunately BF4 and oculus don't work in Linux. It would be my dream to have a decent Linux OS that could do that so I never have to touch winblows again, at least when I'm at home.
Sounds like he got stuck distro hopping and lost his way without being able to solve the problems he had. It happens. I think that sometimes distro reviews help create that problem too. New users see the "new thing" that someone else is doing and feels like they need to jump on the bandwagon only to see the next new thing and feel like they need to jump someplace else. What tends to get lost is problem solving. Like if a distro gets HDR support and it happens to be Fedora because of how they're all in on Wayland these days, just covering that Fedora version X has HDR support and how it works without linking back to how to enable it on Arch or some other distro may lock people into the mindset of distro hopping to get the next new thing when they really don't have to.
Your right. Start slowly and don't write it all off. Maybe even adopt some apps available in both Windows and Linux. I'm no expert, but live distros have an immutable feature. And distros like Puppy Linux and UBports have been prime examples of immutable or static where the core installation is protected from user applications. In a way I see many popular distributions clearing the pathway to be similar to Steam OS. In fact I think Steam OS just went forward and ahead of what Ubuntu has been preparing to adopt all along.
I went through the frustration too. I went back and forth from different distros and back to Windows for a few years. I am far from a Linux expert but I finally got fed up with Microsoft and now I am a full time Linux user. Love it and will never go back to Windows. Microsoft has become a horrible corporation and I will never use another of their products
Strange, is there any noticeable difference between Windows, Linux or MacOS? My kids using all systems without even having an idea they use Windows or Linux. So I assume your friend's just joking.
I do like Fedora Silverblue immutable for something that just works. I am getting ready to try Blend OS
From LL Cool J.... "I'm going back to Cali... Cali.... I'm going back to Calie..... Hmmm... I don't think so....."
In 2010, I experimented with Ubuntu and Linux Mint, but Linux wasn't suitable for me at that time as a replacement for Windows. A few years later, I have decided to build Hackintosh. That was a bit difficult to get it to work. The experience was good once it was working.
Eventually, I got tired of fixing it every new MacOS release. So I started using Linux again in 2020, and Linux has improved quite a bit since 2010.
I have experimented with several Linux distributions, including Manjaro, Linux Mint, and Fedora. My new desktop PC has Debian Testing installed, and my laptop has Linux Mint LMDE installed. I am not interested in returning to Windows
I understand that persons frustration. I installed Linux Mint 21.2, and the freaking sound didn't work. I spent over 8 hours trying to fix it, I fixed it, then it cut out again! That's not good. Sound should work right out of the box! Not the way to get people to switch. I could try another distro...the sound might work, but something else is going to be jacked up. I'm not talking getting certain devices to work that only in windows, I am talking about having sound working. The problem is that many developers in the Linux community always want to push the latest and greatest technology, instead of focusing on stability and functionality. I F'ing hate windows but at least it works.
Honestly my experience on Mint has been far superior to Windows in the past five years. I'm at the point where for daily driving I much prefer it. However there's just some things I still have Windows around for. So for my latest build, I am dual booting, with the intent on slowly migrating everything over as it becomes viable.
@@AlexBarbu I don't know anything about it, but yuck!
@@AlexBarbu I say use whatever works for you. My experience with Ubuntu was honestly terrible, but I've only had good experiences with Mint.
I don't understand why people like Mint either. It feels extremely dated and slow. And for how slow it is it isn't all that reliable either. I had trouble with fractional scaling introducing severe screen tearing. (None of the easy fixes worked and so I gave up)
Vanilla OS 2 is going to be based on debian
I’ve been using Linus and other UNiX variants for over 20 years and would never use Linux on the desktop any more. It’s just nowhere near as polished as Windows or OSX now. It’s great as a server OS and I still use it for that. But desktop? It’s a waste of time.
If Windows 12 becomes the "great" Windows AI, then I would hope a lot of Windows users will flock to Linux. (Rumours of Copilot will replace the (Start Button)!
Never used Linux, but have been interested in trying it as Win10 is to be discontinued support next year and I dislike 11, don't have another PC though to mess with the distros though so I'm looking forward to a highly stable linux OS (if one can get such a thing)
I switched to Linux mint and never going back..i have learnt a lot and it just works for me..i beel better and free with Linux.
An immutable distro will be of no help when your system doesn’t work out of the box, as is often the case with Linux (audio being one of the biggest culprits, with graphics issues like tearing or HiDPI problems a close second).
For the most part I find that Linux is simple if you keep it simple. If you don't have too, don't venture outside of the software manager, unless you don't mind having to learn and potentially trouble shoot a bunch of things. How often are you going to need the most cutting edge drivers and/or software (for most users)?... it's not worth the headache unless you're cool with the headache for the sake of learning. When I first crossed over to Linux 6 or so years ago... the transition was smooth, but from that point forward I essentially had 2 options and I've gone in and out of both phases for long duration's. The content phases where I sit back, use my cpu as desired and don't worry about tweaking and/or inner workings and during those times I rarely have a stresser computer wise, and other duration's where I'm tweaking things, f-ing around on git hub, etc and the whole computer process becomes a complex thing where I'm constantly trouble shooting. I've recently been in that phase and it's got me pretty frazzled. This last go round has been unfathomable. I have no clue why I run into every problem imaginable even starting after a fresh install when venturing into the realm of cutting edge software/gaming setups and trying to get everything out of my cpu... but what little is gained isn't worth it, unless your doing it for learning reasons as well, which I thought I was, but the insane degree of trouble shooting I ran into has taken me back to the being content not tweaking shit phase. All in all I'm much more content in Linux than I was when I was using Windows... the inception of Windows 10 put me in that never ending non content state where I was always tweaking and troubleshooting... all the telemetry crap put me over the edge. After a fresh Windows install it was essentially a 4 hour process of uninstalling and shut things off that I didn't want or need which would make Windows unstable (the free Windows upgrade was brilliant on Windows part, because otherwise that would have destroyed at least half of their market share and it should have). And naturally, I'm sure Windows 11 is like, lets just keep that Windows 10 blender full of shit that and lets add lets add more feces and puke to it for 11. Windows wasn't perfect prior to 10, but I was able to manage and tweak it to my liking
Anyways, for the problem user. I initially had a couple of minor annoyances on Cinnamon that were corrected upon switching to an Xfce environment. I've found it to be the most stable/simplest environment, but I guess everyone's mileage varies and I'm sure whatever problems he had extended beyond his desktop environment.
Gentoo for the win!!! The only other distro to tempt me away over recent years is Devuan.
"top 10 Linux distro that you SHOULD be using right now" people got him
Zorin OS is the only one I've used where everything just works and updates didn't break it. But for servers they're pretty set and forget aside from improving security periodically
I've been enjoying NixOS with GNOME and Flatpak to fill in gaps for a few months now, it feels like it's 95% the way there to a truly fantastic experience for regular users. There are some nix config gui's being made but they aren't installed by default. Also getting my nvidia gpu to work right was still messy. For enterprise it might be more like 98% of the way since admins can setup more default features with their own configuration.nix and choose AMD graphics machines. (thanks for your video on NixOS btw. I had been using the nixpkgs for a while but your vid got me to try out the distro)