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- Close quarters, fast shots, moving targets, dynamic situations, shooting with both eyes open and a high-level need for rapid target acquisition. Sound like a “tactical environment”? Could be, but it’s not. You’re on a driven hog hunt in Spain or Germany, calling red stags in France, or on stand during a good old fashioned Midwest deer drive. All the positive attributes a red dot offers translate perfectly to specific hunts - making them the best option in some cases. Be “ready” for fast action with a red dot.
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I shot a 10 point bull moose with a Tikka T3X with a Vortex Crossfire red dot last month , so i'd say it's effective.
Greetings from Finland
What range did you get him at?
@@TheIamfrustrated80 or so meters, slow walk
What cartridge did you use?
@@Honkers716 308 win, 168gr barnes ttsx handloads
The Fin’s make some of the best guns in the world for hunting! My Sako’s and Tikka’s are my favorite rifles and I have hunted with just about any brand out there be a 60+ rifle collector and owning many custom rifles as well. My husqvarna are my favorite mausers to hunt with as well!
Would be neat to hear a 10 minute talk about all the different kinds of iron sights...i know y'all are an optics company but would be neat to hear y'all talk about blade and leaf sights, skinner sights, and my favorite express sights!
Skinners have been my go to since they came out, but express sights are an absolute classic and effective setup. Fast,light, durable.
@@45-70Guy glad to hear someone else still likes using irons! I think they should be on any rifle that you travel with or have a risk of deadly game just as a level of security in case something happens to a main optic.
@@kbowen2251I’m not as old as some, still young to the game, but I’ve used irons for the majority of my hunting which I never felt disadvantaged, peep sights mostly.
I did just start In the last year or two messing with scopes low power fixed and have had good success but I really enjoy the simplicity, lightweight, and ease of knowing its zeroed with my loads no matter what unless something was legit broken off.
@@45-70Guy i think we are on exactly that same boat. I'm definitely young compared to a lot of the people i listen to but enjoy the irons. Shoot they were all i had on my bb gun when i was a little kid. I have been debating getting an lpvo on qd rings just so i can reach out further if i need to. You are right though... Unless something is obviously broken most guns will shoot like a laser until you can't place the irons on target anymore.
I think they’d be open to doing this. Just because you’re using iron sights on a firearm, which are actually required under certain hunts (e.g., iron sight muzzleloader seasons), doesn’t mean you aren’t using other optics like binos and rangefinders
Been using one on my Ruger GSR for years
I have red dots on two rifles. A CVA 300 Blackout and a Ruger American Ranch 450 Bushmaster. They are both great stalking rifles, lightweight, quick to shoulder, and quick to get a shot off. Keeping both eyes open really helps you track a moving target. I highly recommend the use of red dots on deer rifles.
When I turned 18 or 19 i bought myself a left handed Remington 700 SPS chambered in 270 Winchester and I put a Vortex Crossfire II red dot on it. It retains the light weight characteristics and I was able to drill the bullseye of a 12 inch target at 100 yards. I was honestly shocked but now i dont think Ill switch to anything else unless I get an LPVO.
I appreciate this video and all the comments regarding the effectiveness of the red dot, especially quality red dots! A few years or more ago I immediately purchased a 2 MOA red dot, an awesome Vortex Sparc. LOVED it at the range and daylight hours. I stopped using it for deer hunting in the close hardwoods of central NC, Uhwarrie Gamelands and private lands, when upon attempting to take my shot at a nice buck at about 75 yards in the last 30 minutes of hunting time; 30minutes after legal sunset, I saw Black. No deer, no trees etc. Opened both eyes , same. Anyone else?
I have a red dot temporarily mounted on my new RARR in 300 BLK. I like the light weight and compactness of the red dot on the short rifle. I need to shoot more at longer distances to see if I can stay with the red dot or need to move to a scope. I didn’t use the magnification or focus much on recticle on the last buck I shot at 80 yards a couple of weeks ago. Most of my hunting distances are at less than 100 yards.
18” 308 Browning Xbolt speed SR with Aimpiont T2 and I’m happy 😁
I put a vortex defender on my Remington 870 turkey rig and it is amazing. Got another one on order for my marlin 336 30-30. Going to set it forward on the scout rail iv installed on it and have and even better brush/swamp gun for where I hunt in north Ontario Canada 🍻🇨🇦👍🏻
Red Dot vs LPVO for hunting would be an interesting discussion
And you can always throw a magnifier on a dot and have the ability to flip over to a 4x (or whatever mag you choose) when you need it.
I put a Vortex Venom 3 moa reflex site on a Thompson Center Encore running a 16” 223 Wylde Match Barrel from MGM. Got laughed at until I started shooting 1.5” groups at 100yds with PMC Ball Ammo. The point about thinking less really does something interesting to how well I shoot that gun. Not focused on trying to keep cross hairs perfectly centered. It’s more like instinct shooting if that makes any sense. Plus it’s weird and different and fun.
I’ve definitely been considering tossing a red dot on a Browning BLR to have the most lightweight rifle possible for whitetail tracking where I’m walking several miles a day carrying it and might jump a deer from its bed at VERY close range.
My bolt gun meanwhile has a Leopold scope that has a red dot illuminated at the center of the crosshairs, which I *love*. It’s not a full illuminated reticle, just a dot at the center of a normal engraved simple duplex one. I don’t know what might be blocked by patents, but the “FireDot Duplex” reticles and “Alumina” screw-on lens caps are the two features making me buy Leopold scopes over Vortex ones, FWIW.
I was going to put a holoson 510 on my new Mossberg 835 combo, not the turkey barrel but definitely on the cantilever rifled deer barrel. Your thoughts?
Next up on 10 minute talks the 340 weatherby magnum
Can anyone explain the picture of Jason Alexander? It moves around, sometimes it's on Ryan's side, some times on Mark & Jimmy's side... I've been wondering about this for a while.
Now what about a red dot with a magnifier?
I run a red dot on my lever action 30-30
When are the invites going out for the doe drive?
Which red dot for 9.3 husqvarna?
Question: I haven’t seen any lvpo’s with a parallax adjustment. But some have notches in the reticle for distances of 4 to sometimes 6 hundred yards at what distance is parallax necessary? Or is it assumed because of the lower magnification that the optic will be used for a larger target? Thanks.
As far as my understanding of optics goes, the parallax adjustment is never actually "needed", it simply allows ones head position to be imperfect and still be fine. If one perfectly centers their eye behind the scope every time theyre fine, parallax just allows you to not be perfectly centred and still not distort the POA/POI.
Bolt action rifle? How about a lever action .30-30? Talk about a match made in heaven. Effective range isn’t much more than 250 yards. It’s short-ish and light weight. Your’re hunting in heavy undergrowth with spots that are too dark to see your front sight…
And here’s the deal with aging eyes. I’ve always been nearsighted, but the closest and farthest distances I can focus on is decreasing over time. My contacts are set up for “mono-vision” with my dominant eye corrected for distance and my left eye for reading. I’m shooting a pistol more and more one-handed because it gets the front sight out far enough for me to focus on it. Buckhorn rear sights are becoming difficult to use. A rear peep sight is better, but I just got a 2x illuminated prism for my Marlin 336. Hopefully it will work out like I expect…
Gents, spark on a marlin336, 30-30 Perfect pig gun…
My dad struggled with scopes when he had to use trifocal glasses. He's now 80 and uses red dots on everything! Last year he got a doe that was just over 200 yards away.
Very impressive
That is a prime example of a good shooter not needing excessive magnification to make a shot.
We have a guy about 80 here with a Sporterizrd Lee-Enfield .303 British with a Red Dot and he runs that thing like a levergun.
Sorry if that double offends the purists.
Remington 40X .222 Remington
Weaver T36 (36x40) = 1.6" at 300 yards.
Leupold M8 Compact 2.5x20 = 2.75" at 300 yards.
The record for 1000 yard bulls (36") with an aperture sight on an 1903 Springfiled Rifle stands at 71 straight.
Magnification is over-rated.
I only shoot lever action so I approve this message@@gk5891
A red dot is a great choice for lever guns as well. Lever guns are very often used as close range, thick brush guns making the red dot a great choice on these guns.
I live in SE North Carolina where I'm usually hunting pretty thick pine forests and swampy areas with the occasional field edge, but never really with shot opportunities more than 100 yards. This is making me re-think my 3-10 I've been using!
LPVO and prism are in the mix too in that situation
Your going to like it. I'm in the same area and bought several styles of the cheap knock offs until I decided on the style I wanted. You can by the cheappies for as little as $30 and they are fine range toys. Then you can figure what you want to be the better brand for hunting.
I bought a vortex crossfire red dot last week and mounted it on a .308 bolt action rifle and zeroed at 25 yards this weekend i shot my first boar at 50 yards. Red dot on the vitals and pulled the trigger and job done.
i am from belgium and here it is very common to use a red dot.
I’d have no prob red dotting a lever gun. East Coast shots average 50 yards on deer. All other game average under 35.
You guys are hitting the nail on the head with this one. I hope more hunters should embrace the red dot. Heck, I’ve got one on my duck gun because I used the gun for my first turkey hunt and just never bothered to take the sight off. Used it on one duck hunt and realized there was no reason that I should ever take it off.
All you really need is some good binoculars to confirm the animal is legal to take and you should be fine with a Reddit out to 200 with a whole slew of calibers and a proper zero.
I put a red dot on my dangerous game rifle in 458 Lott when I went to Africa. I didn’t want to put that gun down to use a scoped rifle to save my life. I only shot one thing with the scoped gun and it was a klipspringer.
The shot that really cemented it for me was on a zebra. The herd wasn’t more than 75 yards from me and we selected one that I liked to take. When I fired the shot I was able to keep my eyes on the zebra I had fired at when the whole herd started to scatter. I saw that my zebra was also taking off so I rant the bolt without lowering the rifle and fire a second shot into the same zebra. However, when I fired the second shot two things happened: one, the zebra went down and stayed down; and two my PH about lost his mind. He thought I was crazy and had shot two zebras because he thought there was no way I could keep my eyes on the zebra I shot with the first shot. Even though I told him I was sure of what I had done, he was talking about how we were gonna lose the whole day to track a second wounded zebra. When we got to the downed zebra it conveniently had two entrance wounds from where I had shot it twice. The first shot had only pierced the lungs but the second went through the heart. The PH couldn’t believe it. I was just happy I had insisted on continually using the big gun on animals that it wasn’t needed for because of how handy the red dot was for that type of hunting.
I just wish there were more manufacturers making mounts for bolt guns that put the red dot forward and as low as possible. As an additional bonus on bolt guns when you mount the sight on the front of the receiver is that the action is unobstructed for reloading guns with fixed magazines. Seems like a real handy feature on a dangerous game rifle and would probably be nice on a driven pig hunt if you want to show off to your friends that think a semiauto is the only gun to use on hunts like that. It takes some practice but you can get pretty quick with cycling a bolt gun.
I use a red dot on my kombination gun, 12/6.5x55. perfect lightweight combo. I use it mostly for driven hunts where roe deer, hogs and hares are on the menu. 👍
That sounds awesome who makes the gun?
@@MrNpc81 it's an old Husqvarna from the 90s, f.a.i.r. in Italy makes a similar today. 👍
Love that Ryan made it to Huntstock, the tracking has seen to be taking off but is a great way to hunt. Very exciting and adventurous.
760 Remingtons and lever guns are a huge staple in that world. Great video guys
Ryan, its Brad Willey with Big Woods Bucks (spoke with you about the 7600 in 35 Whelen in MA at Hunstock - 2024). All I use is dots. In fact, my Whelen has a dot on it. Been using it for years and won't go back while tracking in the Northeast! Great podcast gents!🤙🦌
Does the crossfire have a clearer dot than the sparc ar?
I have an astigmatism so red dots aren't dots for me. I use a prism in any situation that someone would want to use a red dot. For heavy woods/Southern Michigan hunting I would have no problem at all hunting with the prism optics on a bolt action, or my lever guns. Would also use one on my Ruger no1 450 bushmaster if I could come up with a way to mount one to the quarter rail.
interesting observation, if you were to substitute 'my red dot' with 'my iron sights' of old school hunters , the conversation is the same
Not a dot, but I do like a fixed prism optic too. A 3x or 5x Microprism on a lightweight gun is perfection.
My problem isn't making hits, it's making positive identification. In the driven hunt scenario you're talking about where a deer comes running and jumping by so quickly that you need a red dot for speed, how confident are you with your naked eye that your doe doesn't have tiny spikes?
"I don't want to look up a gnat's ass" 😂😂😂
A red dot on a Marlin 1895 SBL 45-70 makes heaps of sense.
On a Browning BLR in 308WIN… hmm… that is an intriguing thought!
So with this thinking should crossbows have red dots. All shots within 50
No imo, significant drop on a crossbow compared to hunting caliber rifles.
About a year ago I came across a guy on TH-cam that showed his elk pistol setup. He was shooting a 12.5" 6.5 Grendel with a red dot for deep woods elk inside 150yds. In addition to the speed of acquisition with the red dot, he said that the setup allowed him to cheek weld the buffer tube and shoot very stable in a wide variety of field positions like he could never do with a long bolt gun. The other thing I thought was cool was that he could slip the buffer tube into a loop on his backpack belt and then he just had a tether at the shoulder that he'd slip over the muzzle. It was a much cleaner setup than any carry method I've found for my rifle.
TC Contender and Encore pistols,44mag,30-30, and 308, Super 14" barrels! Perfection!
I put a dot on my CVA pistol in .350 legend. What a real gem.
Killed my buck this year with a marlin 1895 in .45-70 with a red dot. These rifles are limited range wise and its short compact frame makes for quick up close shots.
Have dots on my 44mag lever and 45-70 guide gun. Love both! Peep sights do a similar function and I have those on two Winchesters. All great in the thick Maine brush.
Red Dots are like the iron sights of today, with most hunting rifles being built on the premise that an optic will be used they are a great alternative utilizing the same style mounting.
I purchased a red dot and magnifier specifically for my 350 Legend bolt rifle. For a rifle I don't plan to use past 150 yards, this seems like a logical choice.
Great idea! For the last few years, I’ve hunted with a Marlin .30-30 with a 1-4 optic. I always thought a red dot/magnifier setup would work great if I could get the 3x mounted low enough.
where would a prism fall- maybe a 3x one?
I just asked a similar question
Not a bolt gun guy but picked up a Ruger American Gen 2 Ranch 556, just for fun. And a Sig 2 MOA red dot, just for fun. I'm a both eyes open, iron sights, offhand, target on the move kind of guy since a kid. It'll be fun seeing what this combo can do out in the desert. Thanks, nice vid!
I don't have Vortex red dots, however I have a Mauser M12 Expert (30-06) with an Aimpoint 9000L (2MOA) and a Blaser R8 Success timber and have an Aimpoint H2 Micro (2MOA) on my 9.3x62 barrel. Exceptional! Cheers from Australia. P.s. Ryan thanks for the help with my Vortex spotting scope issue.
I have a red dot on a 300blk bolt gun because it’s light and quiet, but if I know I’m gonna be able to shoot 150 or beyond I want a higher magnification scope for a few reasons, 1: if I’m shooting deer I want to be able to count their points so I can decide to shoot or wait on a bigger deer, 2: when I shoot a deer I want the most precise shot for an quick ethical kill and I’m not saying a red dot can’t be precise but if is like 250 yards with a scope I am certain that bullet is going where I want it and there’s no room for things to go wrong, 3: light transfer through the optic is really important at daybreak or dusk and with a good scope I can see better in low light than with my eyes and I always am finding red dots have a dimmer image than my naked eye I low light
The weird way we stratify and classify tactical vs hunting in our country is so weird.
Ive got a red dot on my Marlin 1895 for many of the reasons you guys say here. Good stuff Guys!
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Parallax free red dot,
Sounds perfect for me for what I'm putting together.
Recommendation on a budget, for a first Tikka T3x red dot?
Region, British Columbia Okanagan and Kootenays.
BC mountains and forests.
Deer, maybe elk, maybe black Bear.
Unforchantly in our state any electrical powered scope is illegal so that rules that out. But I don’t think with the limited budget most states have that they will even be checking for it! For up close and personal it would make perfect sense. In my limited 60+ years of hunting I have never seen one on a bolt action but have on shotguns for bird hunting. Those Euro countries are much more into the original ways of hunting but they are more open then the US in accepting or trying new things.
I thought my state, Idaho, had that same law and it does. Then I found out that a non magnifying red dot was allowed as it is not considered a scope. I called fish and game to make sure. Red dot is allowed. You might get lucky!
Great Vlog!
Bought a Crossfire Red Dot to use as a backup sight for my rifles with Picatiny Scope Mounts.
Small, light and takes little space in your pack.
Will it stand up to a 416 Taylor Cartridge?
Can you get a large hand knob like a Weaver Mount so you don’t need a wrench to mount it?
Theres a Vortex RD on my 308 bolt rifle. Here in the hills and thick brush of East TN i rarely get a shot over 150. I easily made believers out of two hunting buddys.
Scopes are for dopes lol
What’s the difference between an RDS and just using irons? Why is this such an “oddity”? When red dot first came out people put them on EVERYTHING.
Is the question= can we get a Fudd to use an RDS?
In this context- odd topic
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Yes please.
Very intriguing.
Best of both worlds?
1-4x red dot?
1-6 x?
I’m sold. Ruger American in .450 bushmaster and a red dot. I think it’s next on the list.
Would love to see you guys test a straight pull rifle with a red dot against the more typical american hunting rifles and scopes in a range test of some kind. Emphasising quick shots at the typical ranges used by most american hunters. Awesome to hear this style of hunting is starting to become more popular over there!
If it works for you, it works. My eyesight up close is so bad I can’t use iron sights anymore, even with glasses on. I have trouble seeing thru a scope clearly too. A red dot I can use, so I use it. Inside 200 yards I don’t miss.
Red dots and low power prism optics allow me to keep hunting and making ethical kill shots. Besides, I think my savage 110 looks kinda (tacti) cool with a red dot……LOL
Could you maybe do a video at a range doing install and sighting in for newbies to this concept. Thank you for considering.
Many of my hog guns sport viper and crossfire reflex sights (and a few other brands…sorry guys!)
No talk of peep sights?? I've thought about a red dot but already have a peep on my 7600. Ryan, thoughts? Would a red dot be worth the switch over a peep?
2MOA Red dot on my 416Rigby. Great eye relief. Immediate on target. 2 eyes open. Close action in the bush in Africa.
For the last 5 years I have been unhappy with the optics situation on my muzzloader. To the point where i dread hunting with it. I feel like I've had to much optic for the shooting I'm doing with it. Enter this concept.
Problem solved. I ordered a red dot today.
Going on the smoke pole when it arrives.
anyone try a 3-5x prism scope pre dawn or post sunset??????? Would hope to get someones experiences before moving forward on a purchase, thanks
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LPVO not a great idea if you're talking first or last light. They don't bring in enough light. Once the sun is up, sure, but before and after it causes problems.
I want to put a red dot on my 300 Win Mag because you can get really good long-range shots off of them but I'm really worried about a bear ambushing me at close range
I have my 6.5cm bolt with a a diamondback tactical ffp 6-24 and 45 degree offset mount with a venom red dot saved my season when a nice 10 pointer walked out behind me at 30 yards did not have to find deer in a 6 power scope at 30 yards and i have 600yard field in front of me
Why would you have both a crossfire rifle scope and a crossfire red dot? Unless I am missing something that seems like a marketing fail🥴. Nothing against a great podcast!
I use a red dot on my lever action .44 mag…everything else has a traditional rifle scope on it. If you are shooting 100 yards or less…why not use a red dot. If you need magnification for precision shots, stick with a rifle scope.
I'd like to put red dots on my bolt guns without irons. Maybe you could do a program on the mounting of dots on bolts. I have a vanguard 7mag with an 18inch barrel my first potential dot mount. Is a picatinney rail mount the only option ?
I had a deal on an EOTECH and a was going to put it on the 30-30, I never got it and still kick myself over it.
Dot on a short range bolt is not a huge leap from the tactical lever gun rage right now.
Edit: I like the idea of a dot on a rifle, not a fan of the lever action “assault rifles” 😂
Lol lever assault rifle thats a great one! I prefer the call of duty rifle builds lol
A man with an lpvo told me my eotech on my ar was no good past 50 yards. I proceeded to shoot 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards. By the time I got to 8 rounds punching the same spot he stopped spotting and just looked over in disbelief
I live in the northeast and hunt exactly like ryan described with tracking in the snow. If it’s nasty out and there’s snow falling or in the trees I still u see a peep sight on a highly modified bar with a 16” barrel in 308. If there is snow in the ground but not still falling I carry a 2nd modified identical bar in 308 with a aim point T2 in a custom mount. I wish vortex would make a Reddot with see through flip up lens caps!!!!!
The peep is hard to beat on those snowy days up here. Especially for a fail safe, traditional option.
The weather changes so often though we need options ha
What red dot on rifle in USA?? Too many snipers over here that have be on 12 power for a deer at 100 yards.. A small pair of binoculars and a 2 moa green dot is a dream combo for everything whitetail here in the East.
helicopter hog hunting, swamp nutria rat, rabbit runs, everything that runs, great choice red dot max 50 yards
I run a vortex red dot on my bolt action hunting gun. I have added a quick release so that I can swap to my 3-12 scope in a few seconds. It perfect an I use my red dot more than my scope.
I got a Romeo 7 full size on my ruger ranch rifle 300blk with dead air nomad L its a absolute deer pig coyote slayer
Browning blr vortex dot fantastic scrub gun in Australia. No semi automatic allowed
Shot my first black bear at 50 yards with an eotech on top my 6.8 spc
Ive shot steal out to 400 with no real issue with my m1 garand with an aimpoint pro on it. Red dots are better than irons less than a scope. Are irons a joke to use on a bolt action?
I shoot long range with my 300wm and @ 1350 yards my scope is only around 7-10x magnification. You really don’t need much to aim long range. The only good thing about magnification is target identification at distance. But for actual target engagement you typically run 1/2 the magnification
works great on old Remington pump action rifles. Model 760, 7600, etc. Perfect setup if you are the "designated driver".
WA state just passed red dot 1x for use with muzzle loaders this year, what do you recommend for a modern in line muzzle loader?
Red dots on lever action is great
I have been using a red dot on my Remington 7600 in 30-06 for over 20 years and in the 150 yrd and under environment that I hunt it works perfectly.
Hot take: red dot *with a flip magnifier* on a bolt action rifle
Hmm, you’d want a magnifier whose mount can be configured so it flips to the non-bolt handle side, for obvious reasons …
I have a reflex sight on my savage rascal for small game and I have a vortex red dot on my bolt deer gun. In my neck of the woods in PA 200 yards is really pushing your line of sight and that distance is in a field. In the woods you're shooting about 50 to 75 yards.
So hard to find a small light scope that doesn't affect the handling of the rifle. Red dots are great for a light short rifle. Combine the red dot with a small rifle in a flat shooting cartridge and you don't need to think about hold over. I'm using a red dot on a Remington 7 in 223
Turnbull makes some pretty slick red dot mounts for winchesters.
I hunt with a red dot! On my small game setup, I have a reflex sight. When I am hunting squirrel and rabbit with a 22 caliber break-barrel air rifles, I like to have quick target acquisition. I just recently bought a Vortex Spitfire Prism Sight 1x DRT for my 10mm carbine for deer!
I gotta know, why is George Costanza's picture on the wall?
There's elk in WI. 2 heads, but only a dozen tags a year. Like 7 tags go to the natives in those areas and the rest are in a draw. I think one is donated to RMEF for a raffle too.
I cannot emphasize enough: both eyes open, merge the red dot with the deer, pull trigger. It’s remarkably fast, and I don’t think requires much practice.
Throw one on a 44 mag or 30-30 lever gun. Oodalolly Oodalolly Golly What A Day!!
Is that a picture of George Costanza form Seinfeld?
Great commentary. I've used a red-dot on my rifle for number of years hunting in the northeast and they are indeed the best sight option that I am aware of. Based on my experience there are two additional benefits of the red dot that you did not touch on. First of all they are nearly impervious to getting clogged with snow or other debris due to their minimal overhang between the glass and the edge of scope on both the front and back. The second benefit is ease of carry. You mentioned that they are light (and they are) however they are also small. Mounted on a 7600 the site does not interfere with the ability to wrap your hand round the gun when carrying. Here in the northeast we carry our guns for miles in a day so how a rifle carries matters a great deal. I would love to see Vortex offer an 3-4 MOA dot on units as the 2MOA is on the small side for hunting the Northeast. It's ok in low light but when it's bright and especially when there is snow a 2MOA dot can be hard to pick up as quickly as a slightly larger dot.
Hunt in the northeast and just got a red dot for these same reasons. Light gathering, easy to use and I can wrap my hand around my lever gun.