TIM HEIDECKER on cancel culture, Dave Chappelle, Elon Musk, writing music, Neil Young and more!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- An in-depth interview with comedian/musician Tim Heidecker. We discuss his brash stand-up comedy, the debate around cancel culture, transgenderism, his critiques of Dave Chappelle/Ricky Gervais/Elon Musk/Joe Rogan, and delve into his musical inspirations and songwriting.
For a transcript & more go to: www.whatiwannaknow.com/tim-heidecker/
Timecodes:
0:40 - Peter Arnett
1:50 - Unpacking Tim’s stand-up persona
5:13 - Does Tim’s comedy need a preamble?
8:36 - The misunderstood Opera bit
10:19 - The catharsis in playing a brash comedian
11:40 - Does Tim enjoy being equally beloved and misunderstood?
14:05 - Could Tim craft more conventional stand-up if he wanted?
15:04 - Cancel culture and comedy
18:22 - Why Tim is outspoken about transgenderism
23:33 - Can we joke about transgenderism right now?
27:59 - Tim’s critique of “truth telling” comedy
30:27 - Dave Chappelle
32:03 - Ricky Gervais and The Office
34:19 - The Joe Rogan parody
38:14 - Discerning Grifters
40:32 - Elon Musk and driving a Tesla
43:36 - MeToo Movement
46:30 - Nathan Fielder
47:32 - Writing/producing music
50:12 - Does Tim get nervous to release music?
51:52 - Simplicity in songwriting
54:08 - Neil Young
55:54 - Randy Newman
56:58 - Artificial Intelligence in music
sometimes I fall asleep to Tim's rogan piss-take video.
I also do this. and I also use one of those Norm Macdonald's commenting the Masters Tournaments
Tim has brought me joy throughout my entire teenage and adult life. He has helped me (even when I didn't realize it) get through some really dark times. To say I appreciate the man is an understatement. Thank you Tim, you are so loved.
The smartest man in comedy right there. And the funniest!
5:10 - "There's a little bit of *Alan Partridge* in there"
hell yeah! i've always wondered if he was an influence.. :)
Iannuci and ironically (after saying who cares about normal) Henry Normal definitely influence him along with Coogan.
I love what Tim said about there being very little evidence for cancel culture - it does seem to be about the ability or inability to accept change. I think this happens to super successful artists like Dave Chappelle. They are still funny just increasingly out of touch. Did I mention how defensive and preachy Chapelle’s latest Netflix sounded?
Tim is so underrated if you haven't seen "The Comedy" (2012) give a watch it's just a testament to his abilities just a very good movie.
Facts, that movie was incredible
"I don't *_wanna_* be enlightened by your perspective on the world....I want a Steven Wright or an Emo Phillips or.."
Yes. Likewise. Incidentally I'm ten years older than Heidecker. Then he says YES he liked The Office but so fkin what, he just doesn't dig what Gervais has done since, *_especially_* as a standup. Ditto...ditto..and I'm a Brit. Gervais is done.
"Maybe Stephen Merchant is the real genius."
Bingo again. ヅ
Tim’s observation of the rise of “literalism” rings so true! I’ve known people who get worked up with anger at public art (especially poetry) because they don’t immediately understand it.
But at the same time there’s a weird reversal of that among mean-spirited people - like when trump says ill-informed, cruel things and his supporters spin it as a deeply artistic allegory.
Maybe these are all symptoms of rising tensions - especially among a certain kind of person who’s too online, in a bubble, and otherwise fixated on petty infringements of their selfish preferences?
I never thought about how the "weird reversal" is paired with it ~~ but it does seem true. Interesting observation.
I connected with Tim & Eric because I love how their stuff provokes you to ask yourself what you think is funny about it. Or if you do. This interview (and Heidecker's closely observed reactionary stand-up character and the Office Hours Bill Maher bit with Fred Armisen) puts the meta right out in the open. Comedy needs conventions and norms to push against. (What's George Carlin's most famous routine? Seven Words You Can't Say On Television. That was from 1972, decades before anyone came up with "political correctness" or "wokeism" or "cancel culture." Boundaries are the norm, not something new, and a performer who can't figure out how to adapt to changing audiences is going to get left behind. That's always been true.)
If something makes you laugh and you have an appreciation of comedy, you might want to ask yourself what you think is funny about it. Any clown can slip on a banana peel and maybe you laugh or maybe you don't, but context and execution are everything. What's funny about it? A lot of stand-up is just a communal ritual, where the comedian's intonations and rhythms tell the audience when they're expected to laugh on cue and they respond like Pavlov's dogs. (They laugh or they clap when the little bell rings -- and maybe they even salivate.) Hacky comedy is not edgy. Chappelle's trans obsession mystifies me for the reasons Heidecker outlines here: What's it to you if people wanting to express who they feel they are? What's going to happen in those "all gender bathrooms" that couldn't happen anywhere else? It's not just pointlessly cruel, it's willfully stupid.
As a Heidecker fan of many years, I can count on one hand how many authentic seeming interviews I’ve seen, so this was awesome. I sometimes struggle to explain why I think he is the funniest, most brilliant comedic mind of our time, but I thought he did a good job of explaining why his style of humor works so well.
I wish everyone I met could watch the entirety of “On Cinema” especially the courtroom hearings and “Decker” as that would explain much of my personality immediately haha.
It's just such a natural & genuine type of humor. Like you can tell him & everyone involved enjoys this type of humor themselves. You can feel the fun they're having & thought put into it. I'm still amazed by the attention to detail & continuity in his Tim universe. Bringing back that Star Trek reference at the trial all the way from like s2 of On Cinema was genius.
American: My personality is strongly based on media I like!
@@mrshhjj8899 awww, sad human is sad
heidecker doing republican meta-cringe-humour for decades, yeah thats good stuff, not cliche at all. meta-cliche.
@@mrshhjj8899 your problem is with Capitalism ;3 also any other country who likes us, kind of likes us for exactly this same reason. hate us for literally any of the good reasons to hate us, this is a lame one
9:00 that opera part is one of the best parts of that whole standup- it’s the perfect nod to the out of date “Tim Allen man’s man” stuff of the early 90’s.
The opera was the go-to for “the stupid wife wants to go to (some stereotypical feminine thing)” goofy rightwing ‘man’s men’, and it’s so specific to that 90’s era cause aside from boomers and those cheesy, tired jokes they still have, no one really ever talks about the opera anymore and hasn’t since like, 1998.
Great interview. Tim's comedy is so surreal and insane, it's fascinating to see him being 99.9% earnest for an hour.
this is the character dude he's actually conservative
same with stephen colbert
@@numberonedad that's utter bullshit dude
@@numberonedad Unless you're joking, of course
@@smithjedediah have you watched literally any of his comedy? His character is a parody of the typical out-of-touch elitist liberal in an ivory tower.
maybe you just don't get it
@@numberonedad I've watched a TON of it, from Tom Goes to the Mayor through Tim & Eric, On Cinema, his right-wing persona stand-up, etc. I can't actually believe you're not kidding.
Beef House is funnier than Chappelle
Hope Tim has watched stewart lee if he's a fan of alan partridge
This is not a softball interview. No one-upmanship from another comedian either.
Hei Network member here, Tim, don't change a thing. Thank you.
I'm happy; I'm healthy; I'm HEI!
this was a great interview. you seem unafraid to share your personal insights and experiences but did so deftly without drawing the focus to yourself. class act.
It's crazy that this has 19k views and only 500 likes
34:00 joe rogan not immediately mentioning dmt when defining dreams is a major slip up
Also great interview thanks!
"Why do you care" is always the most important question with regards to the trans issue. I always wonder why the left doesn't just start with that question. If you can't answer it in any meaningful way, you're unable to really talk about it. Why would your opinion have any weight if you can't provide a valuable reason to care?
Tim "My Shtick is Making Funny Faces" Heidecker says nobody else should be allowed to make jokes that aren't entirely about making funny faces.
its ridiculous people blame Tim for Sam Hyde getting the ax. Donating to the DailyStormer and then threatening a Buzzfeed journalist when asked is 100% what got his ass fired, no doubt in my mind
Great interview and such a thoughtful way to intro the interview. Nicely done!
Take a nap in the restroom?!
Nailed it ✅️
I guess he doesn’t find anyone funny who disagrees with him politically. What an open minded guy. He comes off very salty here.
Tim is correct, Merchant was the brains behind The Office.
Heidecker is first ballot comedy hall of fame! Decades of brilliance.
I think you can make trans jokes but they should be smart especially if you’re considered the best comedian. Dave Chapelle made a joke that I distinctly remember making in 2005 when I was 15 years old. If you’re considered the goat I don’t know if your specials should have high school jokes from 2005. I like his show, I think killing them softly is one of the best specials ever. But all his new specials are so boring.
Just curious no shade intended, how did you even land this interview? Its amazing
Hey! Great question. A) Tenacity and time, B) I've interviewed a lot of high profile people on my website whatiwannaknow dot com. TH-cam side of things is relatively new.
@@ryanwantstoknow I'm beyond jealous and impressed. Tim is my favorite human man and you got a rare straight up interview...well done. Just wished you would've asked about Beef House season 2
@@LemonTree9280 Haha. The next chance I get to interview Tim, question 1 will be about Beef House. You have my word! And thanks for checking out the interview. Was a great, and fortunate, experience.
Very cool interview , thanks.🎉
So cool man. Really enjoy this
Good interview, I think Tim is a very reasonable dude, and I agree with his views wholeheartedly. I think the title of this video is a bit click baity, and most likely makes people come in to hate watch. Could do without "cancel culture", "Dave Chappellle", "Elon Musk" in the title imo. Just say'ing. It's so drawn out at this point and an aside to the interview.
I have to comment since I am a timhead, and also trans
You can joke about trans topics (I'm trans), and plenty of comedians do! But if you do it the way Chapelle/Gervais do it, by just openly mocking trans people and making them the butt of the joke in a way that is just mean, that's just not cool and I'm not going to give them my money. Words can hurt, and some of these jokes are just nasty and show the performer's negative view of us.
Tim is right, trans minorities are being targeted by politicians, and anti-trans propaganda is actually financially backed by Christian conservative think tanks, and the Kreml, to name a few of the main sources of financing. In the US, if a trans woman goes to the women's restroom, she could face up to 1 year in prison. This is happening right now. Over 100,000 trans people have had to move from their home state in the US, just because of the relentless persecution of trans people.
also, some of my all time favorite comedians are George Carlin and Steven Wright!!!
btw, Gervais blocked me on twitter for just saying "gervais might be offended by trans people, but that doesn't make him right". absolute snowflake.
oh, and please don't call it "transgenderism" 😕
Well said
Im really not trying to be a troll, but as a college student doing legit research with my professor and our cohort, can you help provide what you define as persecution and what examples you have where it's happened in the past 5 years? 😢 We're all struggling to find evidence.
@@nolancho there's plenty of evidence if you have access to a google search engine!
you should be mocked
@@joseneitor-eg4iyyou should not be here
this guy is obviously not a gregg head. 5 bags of popcorn and 2 bags of soda.
Oh the Fuiddruckers background gets me every time...
this interview really is great, he has a great way of putting things into words, totally agree about the segment on pariah comedians
I'm always vaguely anxious around the word transgenderism because it's generally used by people who have no idea what being trans is actually like.
Happy to be wrong this time. Great interview.
Many of the same people who complain about cancel culture are the same people boycotting Target over pride month, or Bud Light because they sent a trans person a can with her face on it, or Nike over the Kaepernick stuff, or even further than that when Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks criticized George Bush over the Iraq War and the Dixie Chicks music was taken off of country radio stations and people burned their albums, or like how certain books have been banned by Conservatives like Ron DeSantis in states like Florida, abortion being banned in Conservative led states, or banning people from being taught about things like CRT and so on and so forth.
Some of them are for sure, but going after them is low hanging fruit, because the rest who are internally consistent is where the argument is.
Boycott: I'm not going to buy your product
Cancelling: I'm going to make sure no one else is allowed to buy your product, you can never work again, and everything you've ever done is erased from history
Learn the difference
There's a difference between choosing to not buy a product and blacklisting/ruining someone's life.
@@zachary_attackery name one example of someone who has been cancelled by the definition you just gave
Bill Cosby, maybe? Pretty sure nobody is mad about a rapist getting cancelled though so let’s hear an example of someone getting cancelled who *didn’t* commit tons of crimes
Heidecker the best in the business
The best what in what business
There's got to be some Stewart Lee in there somewhere
Chappell literally isn’t even funny anymore but he has people rolling in the aisles… dumb comedy
He sells out every show, he’s definitely funny. You just personally are offended by his views, which is fine…but he’s definitely funny. A real comic’s comic.
The opening of that soundtrack sounds eerily like "Police On My Back" by the Clash.
Interesting! You're right, similar guitar riff and drum fill. The song in question is "I Wanna Know What I Wanna Know" by Rocket From The Crypt.
I figued it was just dude's opening tune or something. Pretty clear rip off. I wonder if they had to cop to it. @@ryanwantstoknow
that song is by the equals
Bring back Beef House
he's such a good guy
LOVE TIM FOR CALLING OUT RICKY GERVAIS. Hi's fall from grace has been spectacular to see. He IS actually David Brent, selfish egomaniac that raves on about everything. Ricky: You are yesterdays news. Go hide in the basement and don't come out before you written something truly funny. If he did not have his sidekick I wonder if he ever would have lasted this long.
I'll tell him.
Please tell us what channel your show is on or where to catch your comedy tour.
Also include any awards you have won and shows you host.
Thanks
I like that Tim referenced Steve Coogan. I think they're two of the funniest people ever.
congrats on landing tim for this interview! love hearing him speak from the heart.
Best interview of Tim
In the future, the early 21st century will be known as the Conman Age, the 1% grifter era. Hopefully it's just an era, and not permanent. People ARE getting fed up with yer trumps, musks, rogans, bezos, etc
Yes definitely, beta male libs are getting found out now for what they are, totally agree
Good, I agree
Yeah, thank God Biden/Harris are in. I wish we could have Obama in office forever though... Don't tell Joe I said that. Hehehe
Great interview, nice work.
Great interview. Tim is a real genius.
Yeah everyone knows only geniuses collect and drink their own urine. Tim’s a hot piss chugging pioneer.
Never seen Tim out of character, great interview Mr Kohls, You have my subscription.
"Tim heidecker" standup character reminds me of rob schneiders real life personality. grumpy cos the worlds moved on
I'm pretty sure that's exactly who it's based on
yeah we saw that maggie mae fish video too
The guy who got Sam Hyde's show taken off Adult Swim makes comments on "cancel culture", that's funny
"There is an understandable window of confusion..."
Understandable? Not to me. What is the metaphor? Is the window open or closed? Is it in a WALL of confusion? A HOUSE of confusion?
Superb interview! Keep up the good work!
The fact that he intiontally misprounounced "analogous" makes this a bit. And we dig one step deeper to a man who, in this clip, hails Andy as a bit of a hero.
Long time fan of Tim here, since his Tom Goes to the Mayor days. He's a jack of many trades, I love him! Great interview.
I love a nice long intro
Great interview.
Never thought I would forgive this man for bringing live action to cartoon network but tgats really more the fault of 911 hysteria and not Tom
Great interview, really thoughtful questions!
dang how did you land this interview
Sheer will & determination!
Brick by Brick is Tim's greatest tune ever
Hot Piss wins
I just recently got into Tim Heidecker and he is absolutely my newest favorite Comedian. Keep taking the piss out of all the grifters out there!
I think Chris Rock was demonstrating how words do lead to you getting hurt. He used words, which directly resulted in him getting punched in the face. He's saying words can hurt.
fix your levels bro 😎
beyerdynamic 770s, good choice
Yeah of course hes being funny, its silly as hell
Steven Wright being the first person to come to Tim's mind increased my respect for him 100 fold.
Tim should know about cancel culture, he was an early adopter.
Gosh, this is so refreshing. Somehow today, I've been seeing a lot of clips of white male comics just giving the most basic takes on trans people,and for Tim to be so nonchalantly open and understanding almost surprised me.
ps. Speaking of Ricky Gervais, one of the clips I mentioned was Norm and Stephen Merchant really fumbling their way through a conversation about Caitlyn Jenner.
The "white male" is entirely unnecessary here and honestly really cringe. This is a huge thing across all comics on TH-cam. Hate to break it to you but transphobia is prevalent across all races, ethnicities and genders. It's the hot topic and many people have only now had to confront what it means and as such do not understand it. When people don't understand things it's very much a flight or fight response. Mainstream conversation is just now confronting concepts and discussions that have been present in LGBT spaces for decades. It's a social growing pain. I'm not excusing people being shitty to trans people I'm just trying to clear the air and confront a pigeonholed argument
His Gervais comments have made me love him even more
Timestamp?
Shapiro is definitely a grifter give me a frigging break lol.
IMO the Shapiro grift is getting his audience to think clever debate tactics and rhetorical framing are the same thing as actual substantial discourse that aims to get to a real truth or understanding.
(Put another way, getting people to think winning debates and being “right” are the same thing)
Heidecker is such a talented guy & has such a positive energy.
Cool conversation, too. I'm going to subscribe.
no hate to the interviewer tho, nice guy
Wonderful interview :) New sub and super happy to see how you go in the future. Really great work, keep it up :)
He's (understandably) not a fan of "didactic, truth-telling comedy". But then he only ever singles out the 'right-wing' comedians who do it. Meanwhile, 'left-wing' comedians are even more notorious for that style of comedy nowadays (see John Oliver, Lilly Singh, feminist comedians, etc etc). 'Left-wing' comedy routines focus entirely on shaming and (self-righteously) 'educating' audiences about 'racism' and 'sexism', which is why people don't find them funny either. It's weird how seemingly one-sided/blind and ideologically driven Tim's perspective is.
right wing comedy is the comedy that has always existed, that's why people think its boring and tired (literally conservatism is about conserving the past, so there's pretty much no way to deny this). All of it is the same. Most progressive comedians dont talk about being leftist all the time actually, and if you really think that then I really doubt your generalizations are based in anything more than a fantasy lol. Most comedians-- artists in general are left leaning and it's because art is a progressive thing, it's rooted deeply in progressive ideologies. Most musicians are leftist, and most peoples songs are not political at all (probably your favorite bands are fronted by progressive people), there are several trans musicians who dont talk about being trans at all in their music (ethel cain, jane remover, underscores, etc etc). Just because they are progressive doesn't mean they talk about politically charged things all the time, and most of the time this isn't the case.
I think that describes Tim's comedy more accurately than the examples given. There's no ulterior motive with them. The purpose of their comedy is obvious. They bludgeon the audience with it. On the other hand, there is clearly ulterior motive behind 'An Evening With...' for example.
I'd say people have noticed, and they aren't fans of this particular style either, judging by the audience Tim is drawing these days,
The opening music is Rocket from the Crypt! And I just saw them live. 🫡
Tim should be ashamed. These interviews, which who is even this interviewer? This format isnt for talking about sortof you know, uh, music dirtbag phenomenon. Music isnt really appropriate material for this. Stick to what you know tim. Your a great comedian host. No need to focus on music politics and all the rest.
Tim Heidecker is truly a national treasure.
Regarding Rogan’s podcast.. I could care less that it’s Rogan but the fact is that he occasionally gets interesting people(being such a massive platform)on who are fun to listen to irregardless of which podcast I’m listening to them on.. I always just seek out individuals I’d like to hear speak and listen to them on whatever show they’re on. Rogan is just one in a sea of many. Granted, we know going in he will steer the convo towards dmt or ufc at some point but I normally turn it off at that point 🤷♂️
regardless*
@@cashnelson2306 Both are valid. I read it. In a book.
@@java620 also, couldn’t* care less
words mean things
@@cashnelson2306 you tell me do things I done runnin'
This is not a softball interview.
This is waffle ball.
On a tee.
…what is there to play hardball about with Tim Heidecker lmfaooo
Viva Tim!
Chapelle and Rock completely suck these days.
Tim is a national treasure!
He is thoughtful and highly intelligent.
Shame about his piss addiction.
Can we take a moment to appreciate how wonderful and feminist this perspective is?? It’s like he’s speaking to my heart ❤️ 28:00
A sweet treat, good faith and informed and respectful interview (rare) and really taught me new things about Tim (huge fan).
pos nihilistic holier than thou comedy
When you’ve got guests like Tim Heidecker in them!
Effing Delgados…
Why his headphones teleporting on and off his head all the time? It's weird...
Great interview. Not familiar but will definitely check out more - Tim is the best !
What a gem 💎, great interview.
34:10 Tim slips into being Decker for a bit lmao
I wish Tim was funny still.
Not great interview
I've been a huge fan of Tim & Eric and Tim, himself, since they started with "Tom Goes to the Mayor" in 2004 - and Heidecker was in an incredibly open and articulate mood, here. Probably the best interview with him that I've seen. To me, he's just the greatest comic voice of the 21st century. I just think the culture is way too noisy and impervious to irony and satire right now (his point about the difference between "ranting" about certain things in the interview - and the *satirizing* in his work of those things - is the clearest delineation between what he does and what most comics do these days) to appreciate what he's doing to the degree that he should be appreciated. It was great to see him say things here that needed to be said about a lot of issues raised. Thanks for giving him the space to say them.
Stewart Lee should be right up your al-Lee
Fantastic interview. Pacing, questions, fun but aware. Nailed it. Tim is a lowkey genius and inspiration. Thanks!
That was awesome. Tim is brilliant! I honestly believe he is a genius.
You did an amazing job. I enjoyed this much more than I thought I would. Great job!
Very interesting interview. I haven't heard this version of Tim before I don't think and I enjoyed it very much.
Tim is a true wokey
I love his comedy but his political takes are 🤮
@@Skrenjawhat are your political takes? That you like epsteins friends?