Jimmy Carr's BRUTALLY Honest Opinion On CANCEL Culture...
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- Comedian Jimmy Carr offers his perspective on cancel culture and it's effect on comedy.
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I have vast respect for Jimmy Carr and all comedians but I struggle to parse their discussion of cancel culture. If you are talking to audiences in sold out venues and making wads from a netflix special, you have not been cancelled.
Same with Ricky really. Their shtick is to be outrageous and edggy which is fine but you don't need to keep saying "I'll proabably get cancelled for that last joke" every show or tour you do
Yeah that's because of survivorship bias.
The juggernauts like Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, even people outside comedy like JK Rowling are just too big to be canceled.
It's normal people, who have to work hard every day just to maintain a living, who are the ones who are affected.
I think there’s an event of two fingers up to those who try to cancel them by saying ‘I’ll probably get cancelled’, knowing full well they won’t.
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Like who?
Not many really.
There are some extreme examples but that can be found to support any hypothesis.
"Cancel culture" is a boogeyman for the most part, mostly invoked by successful people who get criticism, regardless of its validity.
Exactly. “You can’t say anything anymore” as they say whatever they want to millions.
A line to be remembered at 4am: anxiety is trying to solve something in the future, now. And can I humbly add: and trying to solve something in the past that you can't change.
"an anxiety focused mind is in the future, and a depressive mind is in the past" to quote Dr.K/HealthyGamer. I think most of the value of that is about his reasoning, but a great perspective imo.
the lense is yours though...perspective and sense-making are key....
Cancel culture is an alt right myth
@@MrZAPPER1000 I was going to say. Depression is the past, Anxiety is the future
@@MrZAPPER1000 I like that description. Thank you.
‘Character is what you know about yourself and self-esteem should be largely based on the character.’ Yup. My Trinidadian uncle taught me this lesson as a teenager. Legit advice, Mr. Carr!
“You can’t have an easy life and a great character”. More often than not,so bloody true. Words to absorb and live by.
Am I the only one who's noticed that Jimmy Carr is starting to look a lot like Glenn Quagmire from Family Guy?
Was about to comment the same!!
Giggidy ‘
Oh, he's always looked like that 😂
you know....thats what i was thinking.....lmao....i love Quagmire....
Shows your IQ level.
The irony is that every time i hear about cancel culture, its coming from someone with a platform who is getting their message directly to me without much issue.
Even better is the fact most of these vids/clips are suggested or auto played and never me seeking it out. Seems like cancel culture alright
And the kicker is that they try to cancel people themselves all the time, or boycott businesses for doing business with people from minority groups they dislike.
They are usually the ones who had a campaign against them to remove their platform but it failed. All the biggest names who speak out against it were targeted, Gervais, Chapelle, Rogan, Rowling etc. If they didn't have that platform already the cancellation attempts would have been a lot more successful I reckon.
@@TrophyGuide101 when you say "it" what are you implying specifically? I see Rowling's mention, is this strictly trans? Or the topic of cancellation in general?
@@brandongratta9040 Cancellation attempts in general. JK had a campaign to have her publisher drop her for example.
This is the Survivorship Bias. You don't hear from people who got canclled. Multiple Professors got fired or bullied out of academia. Here are some examples: Mike Adams, Peter Boghossian, Gregory Manco, etc.
And there is also the psychological effect. Normal people will shut up, if they see more famous people get attacked.
Every single sentace Jimmy says opens my eye's. Wish I could express myself as coherently and articulate as him.
Carr has never been cancelled. Sure, there have been negative reactions and press to things that he has said and done, but still hosting numerous shows on TV, and still getting Netflix specials, is the complete opposite of being cancelled.
yes, he's definitely lying.. bullshting big time.
But wouldn't you love to see him cancelled?
The problem is that getting cancelled is just moral outrage, and jimmy has been at the brunt of that, whenever you think scandal, think cancelled. people just didn't have a word like cancelled before. Certainly, being on the press is a type of cancelled. and he has, seeing a comment section from serious people should also tell you a lot.
Ah you've not seen when he got hit with tax evasion like 12 years ago (I think) it was a while ago, he got hit pretty hard for that, probably the closest he's been to being truely cancelled, but that was before cancel culture was for saying the slightest thing wrong. I don't find his standup shows as funny as 8 out of 10 cats, Ricky Gervais' specials are much funnier imo but he's a good host for game shows like 8 out of 10 cats
Firs time wa his tax evasion scandal I assume. Hardly a cancellation either.
Very simply put. If you are a highly anxious person just keep moving. Keep doing
It's okay to be brave.
Take a lot of breaks. ;)
Just never EVER give up, the moment you do that, you DESERVE EVRY SINGLE BAD THINGS you face and will face in the future.
Action is the cure for anxiety... :)
2:14 I can relate to this completely. It was a hard pill to swallow at first, but I found out who I mattered to and who mattered to me.
"Respectability is a prison, and the gates are open, and people are desperate to be inside." ❤ 💯
So is victimhood, though.
Only psychopathic narcissists like these two jokers care about such trivial nonsense - the difference is they have the arrogance to preach as though they are intellectuals 🤣
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@@corriemathiowetz2135 aging comedians cling to victimhood instead of realising they're wrong
I'm a 68 year old Autistic man. Starting friendships has always been very difficult simply because people hear you tell them you're Autistic but they are not listening. They hear the 'title' but don't understand that they may need to make allowances. For the past 20 years I've opted for no friends at all because new friends drop away when you say or do something they can't understand. Due to physical ill health I stopped working at 42 and I live an entirely solitary, lonely life. I have a high Mensa IQ and I'm creative but it's not enough. It's fair to say that I'm permanently 'cancelled' after years of trying to build a friendship group.
Never give up!
It's just the unfortunate truth that the majority of people don't and won't get it. Not just autism, but most things that require something of them. But the good ones are out there
@@brandongratta9040 I think the issue is that when people are socially awkward they withdraw. This makes meeting new people difficult. I'm never going to be comfortable in a pottery class or similar so I don't know how to engage anymore. Autism has layers of difficulty especially when the individual is intelligent and can understand the issues. Thanks for your response.
@@lukesteverything627 wishing you the best 🙏🏾
Why should he be labeled as socially awkward? Maybe it's everyone else that is socially awkward.
It's because a big part of a friendship is giving and taking, often on a emotional level. A lot of autists aren't able to give things on a emotional level like normal people can. Therefore for normal people autists look like egoists who only take, but don't give. It feels completely one-sided. As long as you aren't able to give the things other people need, you won't be able to get a friend.
"I've been cancelled quite a few times".
I'd love to know which times Jimmy's referring to here. Was it the time that he had the whole tax thing, and continued to work even more prolifically than before, immediately afterwards, making light of it in banter with guests (hilariously btw)? Or more recently, when he's continuing to tour with sell-out shows? I like Jimmy, and am therefore disappointed to see him fail to reject this ridiculous phrase.
He has said publicly that the mass media shaming of him at the time had a big impact on him personally. You may not see it, but he has been cancelled as he says
@@supertouring22 Something having a big impact on a person personally is not the same as them being cancelled publicly. Death of a loved one for example. In this case the incident became a goldmine for new material if anything, so quite the opposite.
@@garethm3242 Not to mention, on the whole failing to reject this ridiculous phrase, he almost kind of gets it that it doesn't affect him any more than someone not liking his jokes. He's so close. Plus, on the "criticize ideas, don't cancel people" he fails to see that it's people (people with big platforms, specifically) who popularize ideas in spite of all criticism to said ideas. Of course they're gonna get pushback!
Thank God someone else said it. Fully agree. When people say "I've been cancelled X number of times" then it kinda shows they weren't really properly "cancelled" at all. Like, do people mean different things when they're saying it? Does the phrase even mean anything at all at this point?
@@richardhollis3783 Exactly this. People who claim they’ve been cancelled now seem to be defining it as ‘some people didn’t agree with me on some things’. This has surely been around forever? Jimmy Carr dodged tax and told jokes some people didn’t like, some people decided either things were out of order/not for them. When exactly was he ‘cancelled’? I don’t remember any substantial gaps in his TV career/live show tours?
Your best friend is the person you have the least filter with.. that is SO true ❤
never thought id have an epiphany about my anxiety and how to manage it but hearing jimmy put it in that way just hit me like a brick....gonna do my best to keep seeing that way. thanks jimmy
'Cancel culture' has been great for comedians like Jimmy, Ricky and Chapelle because it must fill half their shows these days. And the audience seem to love it - "I'm going to see Jimmy before he's cancelled". Sometimes I wonder if it would exist at all if they stopped talking about it, but why would they?
It's not destroying the careers of guys as big as them but it has destroyed many other careers
@@souxcasa No it hasn’t
@souxcasa who?
@@vizjim2I don’t think he can back up his claims. According to The Box Comedy Club (promoters) the health of the industry hasn’t been this good for a very long time. There’s lots of factors of course but if ‘cancel culture’ was killing comedy careers you’d expect to see some dip in sales (because (a) people are losing their careers and (b) because the material the others are left with is so unappealing punters stop going).
What the commenter MIGHT be able to do is reference some people whose material is out of fashion which we’ve seen time and again since Charlie Chaplin.
And as much as we could point to Jim Davidson and try to make some point about his material, we can also point to Carr, Gervais and Chapelle and make the opposite point.
@@vladimirimp Those who seek to deny cancel culture are the same ones who keep trying to get people cancelled. You are one of them.
“I am a creature of my time” is the most apt comment in my opinion. People can learn to be kinder and more accepting as they grow older and maybe begin to see things that might have passed them by previously, etc, etc, but if you want to meet the authentic person, you have to be willing to be alongside everything that has made that person who they are.
Funny I thought he was just referencing the fact that many of his unacceptable comedy topics were areas where you could joke when he was younger.
Jimmy Carr is one my favourite comedians. Hilarious to me, not funny at all to others. Anyway, great interview with some excellent points and pragmatism.
He’s a hack
@@jimjiminy5836 aww hurty feelings
I love this! Jimmy has some real wisdom and heart. I'm glad he understands who he is. He dropped some real truth bombs here!
Great interview. Read his book ‘Before and Laughter’ would absolutely recommend. So many little gems dotted throughout.
Some very salient points made here, but also a bit of martyrdom - Jimmy's never been close to being properly cancelled; in fact his 'edgy' material making the news (often out of context to be fair) is tremendous publicity for him that helps him remain one of the most successful and well-known comedians in the Country.
Personally, I think he's a better host than a stand-up - his off the cuff stuff is often funnier to me than the material he spends time thinking about and maybe leans too much into trying to be 'edgy'. The back and forth he had with Sean Locke is for me his best stuff, and it's a real tragedy we lost him too young.
I’d disagree with your first sentence - the Prime Minister took time out of a G7 conference to publicly lambast Jimmy for his tax avoidance. He’s very fortunate/lucky/ to continue after that.
He doesn’t say this publicly but I think his ‘friendship’ such as it was with John Richardson took a nose dive after that bc John seemed really gleeful that Jimmy was under the spotlight. The same couldn’t be said for others who stuck by him. All imho of course!
@@ArcofZen very differenet from being close to cancelled for your material which Jimmy hasn't. It's marketing to think you're watching something taboo when in reality it's not that. Not to take anything away from Jimmy he's talented and a marketing genius and far from the only comedianm to use the "i'm going to get cancelled for saying that" trick
Jimmy is too big to be cancelled. Unless he turns out to be a pedo or is found guilty of serious sexual assault then it’s never going to happen.
Him talking about being cancelled is a bit of a contradiction in terms because people who are genuinely cancelled have pretty much no avenue to talk about it in such terms, because their career is essentially ended. Jimmy can’t talk about being cancelled in the same breath as mentioning his new Netflix show - it’s just ridiculous on its face.
I would have liked the interviewer to highlight that the likes of Carr, Gervais, etc can make light of cancel culture because they’re immune to it. Smaller comics, lesser known people, people who aren’t millionaires, etc - cancel culture really does affect them.
Indeed. The thing that bothers me about such responses is that they consciously confuse criticism with "cancellation." They are not the same things.
@@ArcofZen Quote: "I'd disagree with your first sentence". - Your entire reply seems to be about his second sentence.
quote: "he doesn't say this publicly but I think" , followed by a scenario you have completely imagined based on a fact you invented, using an argument only you seem to be aware of, while not once even bothering to get someone's name right.
Being called out on his tax avoidance by a PM is not the same as 'being cancelled' by the public.
That's called: "legal consequences" and a PM who doesn't get his priorities straight.
If anything, it would, and verifiably did, get him even more of an audience for: "sticking it to the man!"
and an entire group of people who were up to that point not even aware he existed to notice him being mentioned constantly and appearing on media outlets he would before that never been even considered for. Like this video you just watched.
Your entire reply is moot.
I’m like that with friendship and I’ve ended up with zero friends 😅 I have my wife, daughter and son on the way so I’m happy but I do miss having friends. My ‘mates’ weren’t loyal and bitched about one another incessantly but I do feel my life has improved since I left them all. These are mates of 25 years. Shame, I do miss them.
i think Jimmy just gave me the most relatable explanation as to why riding my motorcycle or going for a drive calms me and slows my inner-voice (voices?). thank you.
The funniest comedian is someone who can have THIS kind of insightful intelligent conversation, without comedy. Jimmy is 100% present, and amazing.
Jimmy Carr can appear quite erudite and articulate in interview. However, no-one's trying to cancel him to the best of my knowledge, dude is literally never off the TV. His newest special, like Ricky Gervais', just isn't that good.
Thank you! I thought I was losing my mind watching this and reading these comments. You can't move for 'edgy' comedians being paid huge amounts of money by giant streaming platforms, and every last one of them seems convinced that their careers are being taken away. Bizarre.
I was genuinely confused by how Gervais' show was mainly him having a whinge about twitter posts he didn't like.
A lot of people tried.
@@Na_Desportiva You mean people wrote mean stuff on Twitter? Oh noes.
@@Na_Desportiva Really? Who specifically? It certainly wasn't commissioning editors. Maybe the HMRC after his tax "Issues" I suppose...
4:45 There's a similar study done with bipolar sufferers. When asked "if you could push a button and make your bipolar go away, would you push it?" around 90% say they wouldn't, and I'm one of them. The reason why I wouldn't push it is because I would worry that all the parts of my brain I like would go too...
but your depression might be less painful ( maybe)
Link to the study?
Wow. I have bipolar and if I could get well I would immediately.
My whole life has been ruined by this.
What kind of bipolar do you have do you mind me asking?
@@bobsmith5441 right?!
I had what I'd call a nervous breakdown, although the psychiatrists and psychologist called it various names. It was the dominant feature of my life for more than four and a half years. I came close a couple of times. It changed me fundamentally, from the way I look at myself to the way I view my family. I believe I am a better person for having come through it all, although, of course, the cost was more with my family than me. I am so sorry for the pain I put my wife, especially my wife, and my kids through. But if I could revert to the old me, would I go back? If it took the pain away from my family, then yes, but I much prefer how I am now and I would resent losing that. I first of all thought I lost friends, but I didn't. The ones who abandoned me weren't friends. Those who stayed with me helped no end and I'm extremely grateful to them and that I now realise what they did for me. I'm still suffering, and have days, gradually becoming less frequent, when the black cloud comes over, but I'm still almost grateful for the experience and the opportunity to learn. Life is experience and no one wants to go through life without the downs. 'This too shall pass,' is both a promise and a threat, but at various times.
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The anxiety description by Jimmy was very cool and spot on.👍👊
This flippant use of 'cancel culture' is just nonsense. Carr has never been 'cancelled', he's just had a few backlashes against controversial stuff he's said or done. He's literally never been 'silenced' or 'cancelled'. He has millions of fans, a huge platform and a vocal position in society. It shows a very thin skin to act like he's a poor victim of 'cancel culture'.
People actively going after people's careers,writing to festivals demanding that they are denied work and writing to potential employers is cancel culture.
He's big enough that he'll be fine but many careers have been ruined over this nonsense. Listen to the woman who made the documentary 'jihad rehad' and tell me again there's no cancel culture
Agreed
I think you should cancel him
He’s not claiming to have been cancelled. It’s true, he is using the term flippantly, but he’s referring to the countless times he’s faced public outrage. Most recently his previous Netflix special had people protesting outside one of his shows, after tens of thousands of people were sharing one of his jokes (out of context) across twitter trying to ‘cancel’ him. That’s a fair example of Carr being a victim of cancel culture- it just didn’t work.
It’s not the first time and won’t be the last, I’m sure. He’s too big to be cancelled/silenced.
There is plenty of cancel culture but Carr is not a victim of it.
If you've been "cancelled" 5 or 6 times, you haven't been cancelled.
They get cancelled temporarily until all the pussy's. Move on to the next thing to cry about. Give them chance to forget about the situation then put them back on TV
You mean you haven't yet managed to make your cancellation of Jimmy Carr permanent, so it doesn't count.
@@rozzgrey801exactly, it's like the twitter mob who demanded Netflix cancel their partnership with Chapelle. When Netflix told them to beat it they pretended cancel culture wasn't real.
A very intellectual conversation.👏👏👏
Love this
"I'm not for everyone" is one of the most important lessons everyone has to learn in life. When you accept that, you accept yourself.
It is a quote from Hitler.
@@selvamthiagarajan8152 Somehow I can't find that. Where'd you find it?
Nobody is universally loved. Even the real good guys are hated through jealousy and envy.
Having people say you should be cancelled isn’t being cancelled
The only difference is those people don't have the power to do it.
if they do not like something then no one is allowed to like it - and if you disagree you are the problem
@@ch3rt. No one does. Because it isn't a thing.
@@bronsoncarder2491 That's a poor attempt at gaslighting. We've seen and continue to see people who don't tow the woke line having their concerts cancelled or their bank accounts closed down. It's funny you try to deny it, it makes you appear to be one of the cancellers but you can't justify your compulsion to censor everything you don't like.
@@bronsoncarder2491 This is a BS take. The word is almost meaningless but the core of 'Cancel culture' is a group of people getting offended by someone and deciding to take steps to make it harder for fans of that person to see them. Gervais offended me, Netflix remove his special so others can't watch it or I'm cancelling my subscription. Rogan offended me, Spotify remove his podcast so others can't hear it or I'll cancel my subscription etc. That is cancel culture, it rarely works on people already established so the end goal of 'cancelling' them is rarely achieved but to deny the entire thing exists is tells me you're delusional or you're one of these people who supports it but rebrands it as 'accountability culture' or some bs.
Great conversation here. I honestly had no idea he was canceled.
It's only because he wasn't. Other than that, it's a real problem, like Alien Death Rays and Area 69.
@@vangroover1903 He who denies it deals it. You're a canceller.
I love Jimmy's Honesty, he's so true.
I really like Jimmy , he’s very smart and down to earth.
Down to earth tax dodger
Yeah I’m not sure about that
@christopherhorner-ox4xn sorry Jimmy
@christopherhorner-ox4xn Jimmy can I ask you a question?
@@christopherhorner-ox4xn But the problem I have Jimmy, is that he is always champagning Socialism but like most middle class socialists, he REALLY thinks its someone else's job to pay for it.
Jimmy Carr like most comedians has not been cancelled. He continues to work in his field saying whatever he wants. This is a priviliged position. Meanwhile an Average Joe who says the wrong thing on the job and is fired, and can no longer find work in that field.... that is someone who has been cancelled. Most regular workers live with that potential to be cancelled on a daily basis. The cancellation Jimmy Carr (and Maher, Rogan, Chappelle, Gervais, etal.) talks about, is capitalism... customers who choose not to hear their offenses or disinformation. Perhaps only Lenny Bruce was a comedian who was cancelled.
The magnet analogy really hit the nail on the head!
“You can’t have an easy life with a great character “. Love that, thank you.
Wow !, Jimmy has amazing speeches that make so much sense, he could almost save the world
I told my friend this who always talks about being rich so she doesn’t have to worry about money, I told her she will still be her, she will still worry, she get anxious, rich or poor it’s irrelevant
Having enough money to live comfortably will reduce your anxiety.
@@sueyourself5413 Nope... You didn't listen to the video, did you? Your anxious self will just be worrying about something else.
While I have my problems with cancel culture (mainly, that it's become very immediate and unnuanced, giving a similar reaction to behaviours of wildly different gravities), I hold a deep distrust of most famous people who criticise it because most of them fail to acknowledge that despite the disproportion, it often signals things that should be reflected upon and rectified. That's why many of them galvanise themselves against criticism, dismiss it as blind cancel culture and refuse to consider that part of it may be right (Dave Chappelle being the most clear example)
That is some of the best advice on dealing with anxiety.
I am anxious to know what is your profile picture ?
"I've been canceled quite a few times." That hits me like, "I've died quite a few times."
Exactly!
The analogy of the gym is brilliant, never thought of it before but completely resonates
Ok I’m subscribed . Jimmy is an awesome human
Love you Jimmy ❤
He’s talking about the gypsy joke here. There was a mad pile on for it
There was a bigger pile on for his tax dodging and making a tame joke about military veterans (he joked that the plus side of all the soldiers receiving amputations from IEDs meant we’d have a brilliant Paralympics team) but because that was instigated by mass media and not social media it never seems to get mentioned.
I loved the special.
So smart and insightful.
Two issues that I see with cancel culture is a mob decides what others can experience, and that that mob can't rationally adjudicate itself out of a wet paper bag. Much schadenfreude, many injustice.
Nah it's just free speech🤷
Or suppression of. @@stevenp2309
There's no mob. You sound so stupid buying it.
It's not the mob it's the MSM who are controlled
When has the mob ever done this though? Some tweets on twitter? The only way people get ‘cancelled’ is if they’ve done criminal or nasty stuff, and then advertisers backed off. Even someone as nasty and criminal as Trump isn’t cancelled.
I like Bill Bur's take on cancel culture. I think he basically says it is not good. But it is not as bad as most people say. Sure it is for some people, in some cases, I suppose. But I think he (and I) maintain this position because despite the existence of some negatives from cancel culture, me too, social justice warriors, etc., the total effect has been positive. Places where it has overreached/overreacted will swing back to sanity, in time, I believe. I can say this because I am not (yet) a victim of cancel culture, etc...I hope I can keep saying it.
I appreciate the notion of levels of filter we can (and should) apply based on with whom we’re interacting
Interesting take on a common podcast subject. Appreciate it
He’s a comedian….a COMEDIAN …. Why do people now feel it necessary to chime in on a JOKE! If people don’t like a comedian, joke, etc…don’t listen, don’t watch and don’t judge. Thats the beauty of entertainment; politics and shutting down speech be damned.
Could it be because there is more to it than just comedy?
No, it’s can’t…
The thing is, that in essence what you’re describing that people should do, is in fact labelled as cancel culture as soon as people say why they don’t like x, y or z. It’s something that has always been there, at one point in time it was described as voting with your feet. The only difference is that it is now being brandished as a political weapon by those who shout about wokeness and political correctness gone mad and those scared that the right wing are taking over. In reality the only thing that has changed is that society as a whole has fallen for the mainstream media and social media using it as an opportunity to create further division, just by giving it a new label and pointing a finger at those who they feel politically opposed to.
Because non-stand up comedians like Ricky Gervais go into stand-up comedy to use it as a shield.
@@matthewevans107How is Gervais not a stand up comedian? He's been doing stand up for over 25 years. He just became known to many from TV show work.
I'm not sure exactly what he means by being canceled. Jimmy still selling out shows, still has his TV show hosting gigs. I don't see where he has been canceled.
I agree, there’s a lot of conflation of criticism and cancellation these days.
Yeah, I don't remember him losing it all either. He did get media "attention" with his tax scandal, but no one cancelled his shows or swore to never do business with him. Getting into a scandal is not the same as being cancelled
Not surprisingly, since he talks to people with a microphone as a living, Jimmy is very articulate and able to discuss a wide variety of things in short order. I hadn't heard him talk outside of his comic routine really, and I've come away even more impressed after listening to him have a serious talk.
Such an intellectual individual 🔥
I’m wondering exactly when and how one of the most popular comedians, author, tv host etc.was cancelled? 🤔
You often find intelligence and humour are linked. Jimmy displays that here, great clip. Good discussion. Best wishes folks.
Irony is the undying sign of intelligence
IMO you can’t be funny if you’re not clever. To be funny you have to be able to see and play around with different levels of meaning in ordinary everyday things and people, creating scenarios everybody recognises but nobody has seen before.
I don’t think Jimmy Carr gets enough credit for his longevity and the fact he actually seems like a genuinely nice guy.
I generally like Jimmy Carr, I just can't stand comedians whining about cancel culture.
I think he himself makes rude jokes that are obviously just silly, but other people, like Gervais or Chapelle just say transphobic/homophobic/racist shit that's only funny if you actually don't respect these people.
I think he is right though, comedy shows someones true self, a lot of comedians just aren't good people and would rather cater to the anti-woke edge lord crowd then to actually evaluate what effect their words have on the world.
I'm not sure I understand what he's talking about when saying that he has been cancelled many times. As in, have his shows or TV specials been canceled? Has he been uninvited from various events? Because that's what I hear cancel culture is about, isn't it?
If it's just about some people voicing some dislike on social media but with no consequence to his job in comedy, then that to me doesn't sound like he has been cancelled. It just sounds like some people disliked something he said, and that's about it.
I remember seeing an interview with Ayrton Senna.
In the interview Senna gave note of some worries he had. The interviewer asked what he worried about, since he had everything, a lot of money , big houses, fame and stardom.
And Senna replied, "when i had nothing, i worried about getting money, now, that i have money i worry about not losing it"
Jimmy is great. First time got to hear how insight he is too! Good stuff!
People like Jimmy Carr and Ricky Gervais are uncancellable in my eye, their fans know what they are like and thats the appeal, those who are offended wont watch them anyway.
Keep it up guys!!
you can't cancel them when they ask to be cancelled, they know the trick. "this is what you're going to try and do about what I'm saying, and this is why you are ridiculous to try and do it, and this is also why i don't really mean what i say in the first place" - removes the power from those trying to cancel.
@@Bingpot_Cowabunga And then clips of their shows get posted on here and you get 1000s of sycophants commenting how those jokes are all so true and real. And they go out and put actual peoples lives at risk with their bigotry, because they en masse fell for this counterculture grift.
Notice how everyone who really makes a fuss about “cancel culture” just so happens to have zero negative impact on their career.
It’s almost like it doesn’t exist.
Its because they are the people who survive it. When people in power get cancelled or even commit a criminal offense, they get away with it. When normal people get cancelled, their entire lives are utterly destroyed. We go after their jobs, we find where they live and we do as much damage as we can and often they don't survive it, but because they aren't famous, you never really hear about them again.
In world war 2, the British had fighter planes coming back from battle with lots of bullet holes in their wings, but very few over the engine. At first, they thought that meant planes were more likely to have their wings hit, and so they wanted to put more armor on the wings. What they realised though was the planes that had their wings hit made it back to safety, the ones with bullet holes over the engine didn't.
What you are seeing are the survivors of cancel culture. You can't see the people who were shot down by an engine strike and drowned.
@@loftyradish6972 Normal people do not get cancelled, and getting banned on a social media platform for saying something that’s against terms of service is not cancelling.
Your use of survivorship-bias would be relevant if not for the fact that there’s no significant statistical backing for cancelling happening.
@@loftyradish6972 You write about normal people getting cancelled and having their lives ruined. Do you have anything to back this up with? Any studies that show statistics on this? I'm asking because these discussions on cancel culture always seem to be super anecdotal but thin on empirical facts.
Also, I thought that "getting cancelled" usually refered to someone whose public talk, show, music event etc. being canceled due to something controversial about the person in question. When you talk about "when normal people get cancelled", are you referring to something else?
@@ssjcosty As far as I can see, there aren't many studies on this, in academic papers cancel culture and doxxing are fairly new topics, I have only found papers about it dating back to 2020 and they are discussing the implications of it, rather than publishing statistics.
While there aren't statistics, there absolutely is evidence of cancel culture impacting regular people. A part of cancel culture is doxxing. Doxxing doesn't typically work on celebrities because they have the resources and public support to survive it. But normal people don't have that.
I'm just going to pop down a number of newspaper articles and a few journal articles on different people who got cancelled. All of them were subjected to twitter/online mobs, were doxxed and then either were fired, or died. Those that were fired were normal people, and those that died were mostly celebrities with a few exceptions. Those that at the time were fired, we don't know much about how they are doing now because they aren't public figures. But if just me, a rando on the internet know about this many... there are going to be a lot more that we don't know about. A few of these revolve around kpop, that is just because I watch and listen to Korean media.
BTS fans get a realtor fired because he said something racist. nextshark.com/bts-fans-get-racist-realtor-fired
Woman makes racist joke, gets publicly shamed, threatened, doxxed and fired. www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/22/pr-exec-fired-racist-tweet-aids-africa-apology
Woman filmed tearing down poster of Israeli Oct 7 Kidnap victim posters. Doxxed & fired www.npr.org/2024/04/11/1231084790/israel-kidnapped-posters-tore-down-doxxed
Pro-Palestine Harvard students doxxed over letter www.axios.com/2023/10/12/harvard-students-doxxed-israel-palestine
Woman fired for having a tantrum in mcdonalds, was filmed by a stranger and had tantrum posted on tiktok. th-cam.com/video/Aq1PyOdP110/w-d-xo.html
2 teens try to cancel tiktokker, he commits suicide th-cam.com/video/V4L3WxFLgSc/w-d-xo.html
K-Pop star Sulli kills herself over online-bullying due to being an outspoken feminist. While Koreans call it "cyber bullying" it is identical to our cancel culture, the name is just more appropriate. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/15/how-k-pop-stars-death-reveals-truth-about-our-society/
Korean actor dies after being cancelled due to anonymous allegations that a male actor had sexually assaulted someone.
www.researchgate.net/publication/362189881_Kim_Seon_Ho_You_Are_Cancelled_The_Collective_Understanding_of_Cancel_Culture
Korean actor dies after being accused of taking drugs and consequently being cancelled. th-cam.com/video/dK_MvbOOvT0/w-d-xo.html
I really hope you see that there is a serious problem with cancel culture. Its not just that I'm being silly. I am seeing a pattern. Someone does something, or says something that some people don't like, whether that is justified or not. As a result, they are publicly shamed, often doxxed, and sometimes commit suicide.
I think we will be seeing statistics coming out in the next few years that assess the impact of cancel culture on regular people and celebrities. Studies of this nature take time, it will start out with news articles and case studies, as is beginning now, and will likely develop into large-scale studies.
No statistics doesn't equal something isn't happening. Statistics are generally a few years behind current events, especially when it is a relatively new phenomenon.
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@@ssjcosty You know what regular folk do get properly cancelled? The minority groups that are targeted by said jokes, of who the sycophants that defend said jokes and take it as some truth are usually the ones who go target said groups and make their lives a living hell, like trans people or gay people, because that group hates them and do not think they deserve to live a normal life. THAT is proper cancellation, not the fake kind that rich celebrities claim happens to them when they eggo those hatefilled groups on with their supposed jokes.
I hate people who complain about “cancel culture” and how they have been canceled, when they have *not* been cancelled. Jimmy has BBC show(s,) a Netflix special, a spot on this podcast. If those contracts were all terminated, he would have been canceled. People are still willing to pay the watch him work. He has not been canceled in any way. He’s faced some backlash to his off-color humor, he admits his humor is not for everyone. He has the right to his off-color humor and people watching him also have the right to express their opinions/feelings about it: this is how the world works. If he is willing to walk that line, he should be willing to face the consequences.
The people I think who have been truly canceled are a US morning show host who anally raped a co-worker and a comedian who trapped young women comics in his hotel room while he masturbated in front of them. This is not equivalent to a bad joke. This is behavior is not socially acceptable, nor should it be.
He gets paid millions to just talk, and he says he is being cancelled for talking. Jimmy has lost his mind since getting the botox
No there are people being sacked from their job because of ‘wrong think’. Rich people or comedians don’t get cancelled as they always have fans (which is what he says) but normal people are suffering.
@@rigsby1454 Who? What job did they do? What was their ‘wrong think’ that got them fired? I think the moral panic over this is overblown.
@@amyheckathorn7172 BAAAAA, BAAAAAAAAAAA and BAAAAAAAA, Watch the BCC much?
@@twobob8585 Not really. I live in the US.
The thing with Carr is this, to put it in his words: he's not ever really been cancelled, because his reputation is not about his jokes, it's about his character, and when he did do something wrong (tax), he took it on the chin and admitted fault. His jokes are one liners--and it's rather clear he doesn't believe them because he acts differently in other arenas (example: watch him with Rachel Riley, those sexualised jokes are told by consent and whenever he goes over the line with her the apology is immediate). That makes it _clear_ they're jokes.
This is different from Chapelle and Gervais, whose comedy punches down on vulnerable people and when called out on it, double down on it and show in their _characters_ they're fine with punching on those people.
People who have _truly_ been cancelled, like, say, Bill Cosby, freaking should have been a lot earlier than they were.
"Cancelling" has become like "woke". It's been misused so often, usually be people who have not been "cancelled", that it no longer has any meaning.
Nicely put, and especially about the differences. I only just got woke to how subliterate the grubblies are when they froth in outrage about their chosen bogeyman, "cancel culture". Also, just to defend Jimmy some more, people forget about his tireless charity activities. His MosquitoNets4Africa has saved millions of mosquitoes from dying needlessly of AIDS.
More of us should listen to Jimmy's advice.
Normal people getting fired over a tweet are the ones getting it the worst, comedians tend to benefit from the drama.
I still think he's an Android but he is very intelligent LOL
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Keep them coming please 👍
In my eyes, a huge part of whether you get cancelled seems to come down how you respond to it. If your first reaction is to cave and issue a grovelling apology (which people won't accept anyway) then you've lost. If you stand your ground and tell people to fuck off then the public largely seem to get over it pretty quickly.
Referring to people who get cancelled for stupid reasons if that wasn't obvious.
Something that he doesn't mention is that not everyone keeps getting gigs.
Jimmy didn't really get cancelled, he just got maybe boycotted to a degree.
Graham Linehan. THERE'S somebody who got cancelled.
Graham Lineman wasn’t even a stand-up comedian. He got included as an unannounced special guest comedian on a GB News backed comedy tour because of his views. That’s the opposite of being cancelled.
@@matthewevans107 Sell your red herrings at a different market.
He's also been completely vindicated by the Cass Review (along with multiple other who also had their lives ruined over the same issue). Ironically, he's also made up with Dankula - someone else who got cancelled and in which Graham piled on to help.
He keeps saying he was cancelled a few times. When was that? Does cancelling mean getting another netflix special? I like his standup, but these cancel culture discussions however are about as deep and interresting as a glass of water.
He did get canceled by different communities at different times. He just kept going.
@@odeegrotsniffer4166read your own sentence again slowly
Agree with comment that Jimmy has not been cancelled - he has had some negative pushback, but hard to think of any successful comedian who does not elicit negative response to some degree.
Superb
Not all people that dont like Jimmy are offended. He's the Tim Vine of edgy jokes. I can watch 15mins but zone out soon after. (Also I hate the "this next joke is a room tester" shtick. It's played out.)
This 100%
It's all he does. Couple of one liners, then always..."I'll get cancelled for this next one"
It's mental that a household name thinks he's being cancelled.
Love how he is on Netflix on you tube but also at the same time claims he has been cancelled. People choose to not watch him or buy his tickets is not cancel culture.
Don't worry about what others think of you, they are the problem not you. I don't be moved by anything anyone says about me or get upset about other people's political stances, if someone is racist for instance, don't hate them or even budge emotionally, sympathy for the devil, Jimmy seems very wise, life's tough if you don't laugh you cry, keep laughing Jimmy. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit? You got any wit? Jog on 😂
Jimmy, seen u live a few times. Great stuff. Crack on. Ignore the bile.
Not everything you disagree with is bile.
He's never been cancelled. Still has his stand up and specials. Still has his tv shows. He's been criticized and shouted at but he's used it to sell more shows. These "edgy" comedians are really thin skinned. Surprising
Mr Carr knows that he's below average comedian who's a tax cheat. Must have high self esteem.
Love Jimmy. ❤
I've never found his comedy funny at all, but he shows off his intelligence in interviews when talking about a whole gamut of topics. Interesting guy. He had some really compelling thoughts on the state of cinema while talking to Rogan. I'm not usually a fan of Rogan, but he does give his guests a relaxed platform to be open and honest and bring some intellect to proceedings.
People disagreeing with your sense of humour isn't cancelling. You're on Netflix. How much less cancelled can you get?
If you've got repeated netflix specials, you've never been cancelled. Grifters.
Grifters. Yet another name that’s found its place online.
I think that “Cancelled” is the attempt to cancel in this instance. It doesn’t mean it’s gonna catch on or stick. I think that’s the point he’s trying to make
@@BigBlancoBabyconflating an attempted cancellation with an actual cancellation seems like exactly the sort of victimisation culture anti-woke comedians complain about. Still, it gets TH-cam clicks I guess.
Super interesting perspective on anxiety.
Listening to this I honestly think that Jimmy Carr doesn't understand why I love Jimmy Carr, but I used to love Dave Chapelle. It's true that Jimmy does a lot of jokes that involve people in marginalised groups, and it is true that some of those jokes do punch down (though I do think that the percentage there has changed over the last couple of decades). On the other hand, Dave Chapelle seems to genuinely want to change the way his audience thinks about, and therefore interacts with (at least on a macro scale,) trans people. Jimmy says that there is character and there is reputation, and he says that when a comedian is up on stage the walls are down and there is no pretense. He's right. He's right and his character shines through as better than Chapelle's does.
The new RoidBro Chapelle seems mean...........which is weird for a super rich guy, but it fits with his new image as AmeriKKKa's Favourite Angry White Comedian. The man does know how to carve a niche. I was more offended by those creepily long t-shirts than any of his slug class pandering humour.
“I have a Netflix special but I’ve been cancelled”. It’s such nonsense. He so desperately wants to be ‘cancelled’
It'd be nice if his 'jokes' didn't all revolve around him constantly reminding everyone how edgy he is. Anyone who's entire persona revolves about that are just really fucking boring and desperate. The fact he compared himself to the Beatles shows how far up his own arse he's gone. Richard Pryor/Anthony jeselnik/Jim Jefferies/Frankie Boyle etc all tell dark and edgy jokes but don't constantly bang on about how they're getting cancelled or how edgy they are because they're actually funny.
Unfortunately he called out people on his shows regarding the Covid vaccine and that is not comedy.
That was vicious.
Comedy is subjective... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Jimmy's comedy is great. Your just wrong....in my opinion 😂😂
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And at some point he'll feel like a fool for it.
Oh boohoo
@@Monkey-fv2km He already does and is doing lots of Podcasts.
Matt Rife did the best thing: he left a link to his apology, which was a helmet 😂😂😂😂😂
Love seeing this side to Jimmy, hes a great talker
he's an even better lover
@@Bingpot_Cowabunga lolled
wow jimmy is spot on
To my surprise, Jimmy Carr turned out to be the comedian whose live show made me laugh longer and harder than any other that I have seen. Part of this is because he is clearly very (a) intelligent and (b) well-educated.
Jimmy has gotten so much better with age. His younger stuff was outrageous but now I feel it’s more thoughtful
I think cancelled is far too dramatic a term for this kind of thing. I mean Jimmy claims he was cancelled, yet he's never lost his job on 8 out of 10 cats or their countdown version, in the last five years he's had new shows such as Roast Battle, I Literally Just Told You and that dating show with Katherine Ryan amongst other shows i've forgotten. He still appears regularly on Panel shows like QI, A League of their own, Would i lie to you. He still keep his fan base who pay for his tickets and where he makes his profits from live shows.
When he says "I've told a joke, and some people didn't like it" is literally what it is. A few people online are upset with your joke for 48hrs of the twitter zeitgeist and then life returns to normal. The term cancelled implies no one in showbusiness will hire you again, it's such a dramatic term for what is basically negative criticism.
We should ban banning things. Anyone who calls for speech to be banned should be in jail.
It's interesting, some of the things Carr says here about 'cancel culture' feels a bit out of sync with some of the things he has said in his appearances on Conan O'Brien and Marc Maron's podcasts. On Conan's he even says that he doesn't believe cancel culture really exists - which I totally agree with.
You just have to keep on trying to cancel everyone who shows how it is still happening. Cancel culture operates everywhere, stifling free speech, and lefties like you try to pretend that you';re not really doing this, which is funny, a lame attempt at gaslighting.