Here is my REACTS videos playlist - its purpose is for us all learning from other people's 4x4 drives. - th-cam.com/play/PLxCUUqtm329plBAWaZBTGQolmUBJnXMDU.html
It's honestly the most disturbing recovery I remember seeing, the first few times I watched it, I didn't even notice the Jeep. I still can't understand (given the terrain) why they didn't opt to go backwards onto the flat ground in favour of the very narrow strip of slush between the water and the steep embankment. I can only assume I'm missing something.
Matt you called it exactly for what it was, a total catastrophe from start to finish. A complete lack of knowledge and experience combined with zero leadership,and I would consider that your broader viewers on this TH-cam channel of yours can see that in obvious terms. Your perspective was spot on, enough said 👍🍻
The vehicle being recovered caused the incident by turning the wheels the wrong way. Along with being tethered to the Jeep which made the vehicle being recovered pop into what would be a straight line… because of the energy from the 80 series and the Jeep being under tension, forced the center vehicle to a center position between those two vehicles once tension was applied
It always scares me to see too many people around a recovery. Totally unsafe! Like Matt says, just one recovery boss. I have literally yelled at people to get the hell out of the way! And sometimes that doesn’t work.
I think it looks like a picnic where someone drove off the edge, that’s why there were so many people around. There was someone around who said they could tow them out. That’s about the level of thought. I don’t know why the jeep was attached at all. Weird situation. Thanks for the review.
The driver of the Kluger? was steering in the wrong direction (left) and this was the main reason it rolled, as it was being pulled to the right and down a slope.
At 6:45 I can See that the Rope goes Start Over the Ditch the Recovered Car Fell Into (It's Obvious, that's the Direction it was going to go (It's Line))......Don't Know Why they Just Did't Pull it Backwards.
crazy to be standing on the side steps during such a recovery, i feel the recovery vehicle, 80 ? kept pulling after getting the prado up the bank causing the rollover.... yeah a winch would have been the go in such slippery conditions...
My take on this is too many people around, and somebody should have told the pulling vehicle driver when to stop and how far too go forward. My guess 5-6 feet then stop. Because when pulling like that driver can’t see the result of the pull while moving. Addressing the angle yes bad but maybe it’s the only traction spot. The Jeep in the back was no in any position to stop the middle truck from going over so just alone for the ride. The first initial pull should have been used at the 3rd 4th pull, bump gain ground, bump gain ground...and so on. But went all out to far.
Look at the steer angle of the first roll-over car. That also played into reason for roll. If he steered into direction instead of opposite direction it may have just worked. But jeep should not have been attached. This isn't even "all the gear, no idea" because clearly they seem to have neither if each.
@@MadMatt4WDI’ve tried that before and wondered why it didn’t work. I figured out that a tie down strap rating is usually the WLL but that’s not what the ratchet can make. The ratchet only makes enough to tension the load against movement
I have seen on some youtube local guys in SA, people destroying perfectly sound vehicles, by not slowing down the process of the recovery. Rushing = Hurt! Total idiotic display of not having training in recovery! It scares me to take or get involved with this type of people on a overlanding adventure. Personally I think it's the mall crawlers that wanted to step up their game but with the wrong crowd. Well done on sharing Matt! Love you work. - T
The vehicle towing the middle vehicle pulled it off the side of bank. When you see the tow strap laying over the bank. The towed driver was turning left to avoid, slipping off side.
Very simple. They should have used a winch. Couldn’t pull it further down because it would probably have rolled on the left. A lot of people around, but they needed to be on the right running board to keep it from rolling. This pretty much sums up why I try to never use a recovery rope. No control after the jerk. Everything was good except for no winch used. All went south because of that. Didn’t see the jeep in the back before the comment. That is the best angle available.
First time I have seen this one but bloody hell what where these people thinking? Maybe that is the problem, there weren't. We don't see a lot of the area surrounding the vehicles, in front and off to the left of the Prado so it is difficult to say other options there but at least a shovel and dig out the bank a little so it can climb easier without much force, try a tow rope or chain before the Snatch Strap to avoid that energy build up but as you mentioned a winch or recovery boards would have been a much better option. I have done one similar to this a few years back. Very slippery ground and a mate had dropped the 2 passenger side wheels in. The safest option I could think of was get back behind his vehicle and slowly pull him backwards and to his right (Drivers Side) while asking him to turn slightly right hand down. This pulled the rear of his vehicle up and out of the bog while bringing the nose left and into the water a little more, reducing the angle his vehicle was on to prevent rolling. It was done with a snatch strap as that is all I had available but it was slow and gentle. I felt bringing him forward into the rut would put him in a worse position and possibly roll the vehicle.
Wow what did I just watch. All it was missing was the Benny Hill soundtrack. Matt nice job on the unpacking of what not too do. I’m glad that everyone was ok. It could have escalated very quickly. Keep up the great work Matt 👏👏👏
G’day Matt, I like your idea of moving the vehicle further along the dam therefore avoiding further dangerous terrain & setup a “slow controlled” recovery either by winch or tow strap. As usual Matt, great messages you put out! 1) Have 1 x person in charge. 2) Never hang off the vehicle……… I could go on! Well done Matt, Legend.
Good explanation Matt! Umm just everything that could go wrong went wrong….other than someone being killed! Just want your thoughts on the following please:- People in the cars, 1) in this situation I would have recommended that seatbelts be warned but all participants in the vehicles. Do you agree? Noting that really only the drivers should be in the vehicles. 2) once I saw the second vehicle I would pulled the vehicle out backwards, your thoughts? Thanks
Yes for seat belts. The car was not going to roll into the water so may as well have it on. Only drivers in the cars no one else. Yes I think backwards would have been good.
One MAJOR aspect of this (and every) recovery you didn’t mention and I think is important, is communication. Obviously there was NO communication between any of the operators in this case. It is CRUCIAL that the party’s involved agree upon and use,simple common commands and have a way of being able to communicate. Like a radio, or hand signal or even having a 3rd party just for that task. This is a vital aspect that every recovery MUST have and use. Without communication, or a lack of, will only lead to damage, disaster, injury or even death!
I can't understand why they didn't pull the Fortuner out backwards towards the flatter ground. By all means have the 80 series in position about where it was to help pull the front up, but more as an anchor that pivoted the front of the Fortuner when it moved backwards as opposed to actively pulling it. Whilst I agree a winch recovery would have been a far better option even to do it that way, the kinetic recovery would have also been less risky as there was less chance of a rollover or two.....
G'day, I'm not convinced the low traction surface was as big an issue as you made it out to be. Yes it is a big issue. However if the towing vehicle had of stopped after it moved 2 to 3 meters I'm pretty sure that the roll over would not have happened. The Towing vehicle kept moving, thus even on a higher traction surface the towed vehicle would have ended up going over the right hand edge. As for the rear vehicle I cannot see what it was supposed to be doing.
Driver of "recovered" vehicle was attempting to stay on the levee, turning away from the tow, ensuring the roll once tripped at the base. Seemed unaware of the tow vehicle, just wanting to be back on the yrack he had slipped off!
Wow, just wow. My theory, it was the thongs. It all starts with the collective mentality of the group before they even left home. Are they going on vacation to the beach? Or are they going 4 wheeling? There seems to be a total lack of preparation and mindset for a 4wd adventure.
Foot ware is one topic that never gets discussed I have noticed. That's why I filmed this video that released this morning. th-cam.com/video/g5EskfsVatA/w-d-xo.html Sorry for the plug Matt
If the second vehicle would had kept his wheels straight or more to the right this vehicle would just rolled . But instead this guy turned the wheels all the way to the left. Imagine: I pull you straight up hill and you turn your wheels to the right. Hmmmm
Had a winch recovery I was preparing to do once when another vehicle pulled up and w/o talking to me or anyone, backed his vehicle between mine and the target vehicle, threw a strap around the target vehicles bumper and just yanked as hard and fast as he could. We were on icy terrain at the top of a mountain. I suspect they guy was wanting to show off how quickly a recovery can be done. And fortunately it all went ok. But had it not, it was a stupid thing to do. And I bet there was someone in this video who wanted - and was equipped - to perform a winch recovery. But I also bet they were overruled by again, someone who wanted to show off their own "recovery prowess". Since then I'm very hesitant to get involved in recoveries - even when I see a potential hazard - as I've learned most people don't appreciate advice and can only learn the hard way. Even when it leads to harm and destruction. Keep up the good work. Perhaps some will learn from your highlighting others mistakes.
I was hoping you would talk about the angle the 80 series was pulling which is very wrong. It was supposed to be almost parallel to avoid this kind of danger. The Jeep was in the correct position which the 80 series should have been also
It looks like a 4wd event, see the orange marker tape strung out marking tracks. Seems like the first rolled car tried to chicken out of going through the water channel by driving the bank and slipped in to the water channel trying to avoid Orlando's potential RIP spot. Jeep should of just pulled him out backwards in a straight line pull as some have said.
Also in situations like this i think someone outside the vehicle should be in charge. The driver of the stuck car usually has tunnel vision, and are rattled by possible damage/flooding to their vehicle. Just like the reason we use spotters, they can see the bigger picture and are not focused on operating 3 pedals, 2 gear sticks and a steering wheel.
6:40 I think they wanted to hold the vehicle so it won't slip further into the water. So the haven't even thought about holding it on the road. Same with the 2 guys on the side of the hyundai. Keep it from rolling into the water. I'd say none of them expected the Vehicle to be pulled across the road. And they propably could've been right if a winch was used. In short: You gave them too much credit: They thought about all of this even less.
As others have said, everything about this recovery is poorly thought out and executed. Definitely would have gone with the winch option. Also agree with your stated belief that people should never be on the exterior of the vehicle.
All so horribly wrong , Jeep was an anchor point that dragged the Toyota over the edge because of its weight angle and connection angle and in turn pulled it self over the edge, why is 80 series pulling them in direction of a massive wash out hole on side of track and not pulling forward , should’ve been winched out using a snatch block perhaps changing angle of pull, and why the hell is there people sitting standing on exterior of the Toyota, absolute madness!!!, destiny was always damage with this set up
Absolutely worst recovery I have ever seen. No supervision, the driver did not drive when tension was applied as it should have been one mild tug only. Many people in the danger zones very fortunate no one was killed. Two vehicles in tandem WRONG call, the pull on an angle of the first vehicle to be recovered would only have ended up with the second vehicle falling off the embankment which it did.
I've got the impression that these guys wanted to recover both vehicles at once. That could have worked in another situation, but as you mentioned, the angles of the two straps were totally wrong and the ground to slippery to even try this. If the intention was, as you thought, to help keeping the Toy on the dam, it must fail, as we have seen. It looks the drama took place in Latin America. I've been travelling there for more than a year, thus the behaviour of the people is quite common over there. There are some serious and competent fourwheeler, but most people have no 4x4 skills and usually own poor if any recovery gear. These guys have just been so lucky that nobody was severely harmed.
The driver of the stuck car locked up the brakes! If they had hit the accelerator instead, the tires might have gotten enough purchase to stay out of the ditch. So many things wrong though
I honestly dont know if I would do what I ll say but : 1. The Toyota once got bogged out turned the wheels to the diametrically opposite direction from where the forces were pulling making the rollover happen faster 2. If the driver was experienced , perhaps he would turn his weeks hard right towards were the recovery forces were pulling him, we would not perhaps recover , he d be in the water but my limited experience tells me that the vehicle would not roll over . Perhaps hit the tree or something,. Same goes for the jeep, which was absolutely inanimate . My 2cs , again for a viewer stand point. Drivers mistakes are combined here. Nobody telling the recovery driver that the toyota is in the clear , the toyota driver turned the wheels toward the roll over was aa liece of cake. I hope that everyone in the video is still okay! All my best. PS DONT DRINK AND ... RECOVER... ;)
Hello Matt yes it's true the angles, who are used are totally wrong in my eyes. Why are there three gyus on the driverside of the Toyota? May be they want to give weight on the driverside of the car, so that the Toyota will not roll to the other side into the water. You asked for mistakes which you didn't saw, well i saw minimum two big mistakes! #1 People standing where the pulling car should better drive forward. #2 The two persons, who where standing on the back of the Jeep. A big mistake for me is, that they pulling car didn't stop after the Toyota was outside the water. If you don't understand my words, then i will write it in german first and translate it after that with Google. Greetings from Germany
Hi. I understand and appreciate you making the effort to write in English for me. The Toyota was never going to roll into the water because. 1 it didn’t when it got stuck. 2 the recovery energy will keep it on its wheels.
Everything that could go wrong obviously did go wrong Matt. That jeep that rolled should have been the recovery vehicle to recover backwards down the embankment. I've heard it said , just like you , " if you can't walk it , you probably can't drive it either." To the guy towing forwards, he obviously doesn't know that a lot of small inputs is better than one big uncontrolled input. Remember the 2nd and 3rd car rule, effectively the traction is diminished after the first vehicle went through. How were they ever going to get the rest of the convoy through safely????? If the 2nd one failed, what are the chances of anyone else driving the track? I would think none. As the all the people standing around uncontrolled and so close, they should buy a lottery ticket. Im glad everyone seems reasonably uninjured. Interesting discussion Matt.
What you said is spot on. But one person being in charge only works if it's a group of mates. There was a lot of alcohol involved, is my guess, so trying to control a crowd like that would be impossible. And also, I for one would not take directions from someone I didn't know in that situation. It's pretty obvious from thier set up that no one with a clue is in the general vicinity. Or they didn't speak up for fear of getting beaten up by drunk,stupid, dumb C's.
Totally agree. If I’d been one of the vehicles I would have been very intentional about who I used. If I was in the crowd I probably would have walked away knowing there was no way I could help because the crowd would be uncontrollable.
Like what. Did they think they could stop the recovered car before it was dragged into that big whole on the other side??? But firstly: What were they thinking to start with? Diving on that slippery road, as narrow as the cars themselves and with water on one side and the slope on the other? The road isn't even flat ... and that with city slick tires??? Their stupidity did not start with the recovery.
There is a whole heap of Darwinism going on with this situation, however I would say Hindsight is a wonderful thing. As far as I understand it there is no requirement for any qualifications to be able to go Off Road Driving? A lot of folks with experience probably wouldn't have even tried driving through there, as commented Road Tyres Highway pressures etc. I can see reasons why folks might have done what they did, for instance standing on the running boards to balance the vehicle and stop it from rolling in to the water. I VERY much agree with the fact that a Winch would be better, however were any of us there? Was there a working winch with someone qualified to use it amongst the group, in correctly used a winch can be deadly. However saying that there would not have been TOO much load on the winch from seeing how the stuck vehicle moved. Yes they all looked a bit like they were on an outing to the Beach and I bet they all wished that was what they had done in the first place! A big YES to all that was said, ONE person in control, ALL others out of danger zones, a lot of folks in what I call "The Triangle of Death" in the shown situation. VERY lucky no one was seriously injured. However I would ask a lot of the commenters, before you learnt anything better, did you know better? Common sense SHOULD have prevailed however the situation here seems very much to have overwhelmed everything else. Hopefully this was a light bulb moment for at least some of the folks there, makes me wince at some of the antics that even "experienced" off roaders get up to, who should actually know better. Also before you ask, yes I have Off Road experience, in training for around 35 Years, have been stuck LOADS of times, yes I have been in a vehicle that has rolled, luckily very slowly with no damage, looking at what happened I tend to feel even if someone was there with the experience to control what was going on, it is likely they would have been ignored. My 2 pennyworth anyway. Good video, lots of great advice, hopefully the folks learnt a bit from their mistakes, all of them should watch as many of Matts presentations as they can.
"What do we have here?" A pack of idiots...probably drunk idiots. "Who's in charge of the recovery?" Murphy. "What else could they have done?" Waited for a sober adult with a clue to show up.
Why's that? I'm not sure what you mean. We seem to be getting lots of people appreciating it because they're learning about how to tackle challenges and to prevent issues. That's always my aim. We will still do our teaching videos. Or did I misunderstand your comment?
1. הרכב המחולץ מסובב הגהה מלא לשמאל. היה צריך לסובב הגה מלא לימין כניראה לא היה קורה. 2. אני חושב שזה חילוץ בשיירה שנהוג בקולומביב למשל( אני אישית לא מנוסה בזה אבל ראיתי שעושים) מקומות חלקים המון בוץ שיירה שצריכה לעבור. כולם מושכים את כולם כמו רכבת. נראה לי זה מה שרואים. אבל באמת חושב שכיוון הגלגלים הוא מה שבסוף גרם להיפוך. דבר נוסף חילוץ ישר (כמו שהיצעת)לא חושב שיכל להתבצע המקום צר ומאוד חלק יש סיכוי גדול שכל רכב יסטה בעיקר למחלץ ויכשל. נושא של כננת לדעתי כננת עם כבל מתכת היא הדבר השני הכי מסוכן אחרי חבל קינאטי. כננת חבל סינטטי בידים מיומנות יהיה יותר בטוח. אבל כננת כבל מתכת בידיים לא מיומנות סכנה גדולה מאוד
Here is my REACTS videos playlist - its purpose is for us all learning from other people's 4x4 drives. - th-cam.com/play/PLxCUUqtm329plBAWaZBTGQolmUBJnXMDU.html
@MadMatt4WD i love your explanations
Thanks alot
Every aspect of this "recovery" has me asking why!!! Not a single thing was done correctly 🤦🏻♂️
Nope. Not a thing.
Haha p1553r
I think this recovery was aiming for YT Gold. Glad nobody got flattened.
It's honestly the most disturbing recovery I remember seeing, the first few times I watched it, I didn't even notice the Jeep.
I still can't understand (given the terrain) why they didn't opt to go backwards onto the flat ground in favour of the very narrow strip of slush between the water and the steep embankment.
I can only assume I'm missing something.
I totally agree with you. Seems their thought pattern was to conquer the track at all costs. I think it's a great way of not how to recover.
There was definitely something missing but I think it's between the ears of everyone that was there
Matt you called it exactly for what it was, a total catastrophe from start to finish. A complete lack of knowledge and experience combined with zero leadership,and I would consider that your broader viewers on this TH-cam channel of yours can see that in obvious terms. Your perspective was spot on, enough said 👍🍻
Yeah I don't understand what they were thinking ,the whole recovery was a mess, but why did he turn left like that that?
Thai 4wding scene is some of the craziest stuff on earth
Reminds me of a bunch of weekend warriors at the beach on a saturday
Mom always said "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all!" I think that holds true here! 😉
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@@MadMatt4WD I was speaking of myself... 🤣 You did a great job!
@@craigmccurdy2280I knew that,ad thats what I haven't said anything 😊 just watching and wagging my head.
The vehicle being recovered caused the incident by turning the wheels the wrong way. Along with being tethered to the Jeep which made the vehicle being recovered pop into what would be a straight line… because of the energy from the 80 series and the Jeep being under tension, forced the center vehicle to a center position between those two vehicles once tension was applied
It always scares me to see too many people around a recovery. Totally unsafe! Like Matt says, just one recovery boss. I have literally yelled at people to get the hell out of the way! And sometimes that doesn’t work.
I think it looks like a picnic where someone drove off the edge, that’s why there were so many people around. There was someone around who said they could tow them out. That’s about the level of thought. I don’t know why the jeep was attached at all. Weird situation. Thanks for the review.
The driver of the Kluger? was steering in the wrong direction (left) and this was the main reason it rolled, as it was being pulled to the right and down a slope.
At 6:45 I can See that the Rope goes Start Over the Ditch the Recovered Car Fell Into (It's Obvious, that's the Direction it was going to go (It's Line))......Don't Know Why they Just Did't Pull it Backwards.
crazy to be standing on the side steps during such a recovery, i feel the recovery vehicle, 80 ? kept pulling after getting the prado up the bank causing the rollover.... yeah a winch would have been the go in such slippery conditions...
Hey Matt, just found your channel, and I LOVE it! Great stuff! I'll be watching more!
Well thank you for that.
@@MadMatt4WD thank you for putting out such great content!
My take on this is too many people around, and somebody should have told the pulling vehicle driver when to stop and how far too go forward. My guess 5-6 feet then stop. Because when pulling like that driver can’t see the result of the pull while moving.
Addressing the angle yes bad but maybe it’s the only traction spot.
The Jeep in the back was no in any position to stop the middle truck from going over so just alone for the ride.
The first initial pull should have been used at the 3rd 4th pull, bump gain ground, bump gain ground...and so on. But went all out to far.
Having said all that a winch would be best in this situation.
Look at the steer angle of the first roll-over car. That also played into reason for roll. If he steered into direction instead of opposite direction it may have just worked. But jeep should not have been attached.
This isn't even "all the gear, no idea" because clearly they seem to have neither if each.
JeeZ I wish there were more people like you in this world of offroading 🎉
Thanks from limpopo
Stuff the winch a 2.5t ratchet strap or 3 would be cheaper and more useful in that situation!
I did try to get unstuck using them once when I got bogged in a work ute. They didn’t help me at all.
@@MadMatt4WDI’ve tried that before and wondered why it didn’t work. I figured out that a tie down strap rating is usually the WLL but that’s not what the ratchet can make. The ratchet only makes enough to tension the load against movement
I have seen on some youtube local guys in SA, people destroying perfectly sound vehicles, by not slowing down the process of the recovery. Rushing = Hurt! Total idiotic display of not having training in recovery! It scares me to take or get involved with this type of people on a overlanding adventure. Personally I think it's the mall crawlers that wanted to step up their game but with the wrong crowd. Well done on sharing Matt! Love you work. - T
There's a lovely "fbt" just sitting there. A great redirection anchor point. Pull it sideways with a winch.
100%
Hey Matt, any updates on your Bundera 80 series axle swap and paint? I'm very interested to see an update on where the project is at!
Nothing much but it’s slowly coming along. Maybe another year :(
@@MadMatt4WD These things do find a way to take their time. Either way, looking forward to any update!
The vehicle towing the middle vehicle pulled it off the side of bank. When you see the tow strap laying over the bank. The towed driver was turning left to avoid, slipping off side.
Natural selection at its finest.
Very simple. They should have used a winch. Couldn’t pull it further down because it would probably have rolled on the left. A lot of people around, but they needed to be on the right running board to keep it from rolling. This pretty much sums up why I try to never use a recovery rope. No control after the jerk. Everything was good except for no winch used. All went south because of that. Didn’t see the jeep in the back before the comment. That is the best angle available.
First time I have seen this one but bloody hell what where these people thinking? Maybe that is the problem, there weren't. We don't see a lot of the area surrounding the vehicles, in front and off to the left of the Prado so it is difficult to say other options there but at least a shovel and dig out the bank a little so it can climb easier without much force, try a tow rope or chain before the Snatch Strap to avoid that energy build up but as you mentioned a winch or recovery boards would have been a much better option.
I have done one similar to this a few years back. Very slippery ground and a mate had dropped the 2 passenger side wheels in. The safest option I could think of was get back behind his vehicle and slowly pull him backwards and to his right (Drivers Side) while asking him to turn slightly right hand down. This pulled the rear of his vehicle up and out of the bog while bringing the nose left and into the water a little more, reducing the angle his vehicle was on to prevent rolling. It was done with a snatch strap as that is all I had available but it was slow and gentle. I felt bringing him forward into the rut would put him in a worse position and possibly roll the vehicle.
Wow what did I just watch.
All it was missing was the Benny Hill soundtrack.
Matt nice job on the unpacking of what not too do. I’m glad that everyone was ok. It could have escalated very quickly.
Keep up the great work Matt 👏👏👏
Thanks as always Jack.
G’day Matt, I like your idea of moving the vehicle further along the dam therefore avoiding further dangerous terrain & setup a “slow controlled” recovery either by winch or tow strap.
As usual Matt, great messages you put out!
1) Have 1 x person in charge.
2) Never hang off the vehicle……… I could go on! Well done Matt, Legend.
Good explanation Matt!
Umm just everything that could go wrong went wrong….other than someone being killed!
Just want your thoughts on the following please:-
People in the cars, 1) in this situation I would have recommended that seatbelts be warned but all participants in the vehicles. Do you agree? Noting that really only the drivers should be in the vehicles.
2) once I saw the second vehicle I would pulled the vehicle out backwards, your thoughts?
Thanks
Yes for seat belts. The car was not going to roll into the water so may as well have it on. Only drivers in the cars no one else. Yes I think backwards would have been good.
One MAJOR aspect of this (and every) recovery you didn’t mention and I think is important, is communication. Obviously there was NO communication between any of the operators in this case. It is CRUCIAL that the party’s involved agree upon and use,simple common commands and have a way of being able to communicate. Like a radio, or hand signal or even having a 3rd party just for that task. This is a vital aspect that every recovery MUST have and use. Without communication, or a lack of, will only lead to damage, disaster, injury or even death!
Great point.
yes from my perspective the entire fiasco could have been saved if they stopped the 80 series at the right time
Wow. Super scary event all around. It looks like you have some nifty projects in the works at you shop though. Thank you Matt. Keep it up man. 🎉🎉🎉
Oh yeah I got projects going on for sure. :)
I can't understand why they didn't pull the Fortuner out backwards towards the flatter ground. By all means have the 80 series in position about where it was to help pull the front up, but more as an anchor that pivoted the front of the Fortuner when it moved backwards as opposed to actively pulling it.
Whilst I agree a winch recovery would have been a far better option even to do it that way, the kinetic recovery would have also been less risky as there was less chance of a rollover or two.....
24/7 are always on the side step balancing vehicles . There subs are hugely popular. Do they need a tap on the shoulder to say stop it ?
Yes they do and they should know better.
I've seen them do some pretty silly things off-camera. The voice of reason they are not.
Hi Matt, recently found your channel (subscribed) and love your sensible advice on silly situations 👍👍👍
Thanks and welcome
Horrific risk taking, all those people in the danger zone. Scary stuff.
Cant believe that guy got up and walked away.
I am surprised as well! Rather amasing.
G'day, I'm not convinced the low traction surface was as big an issue as you made it out to be. Yes it is a big issue. However if the towing vehicle had of stopped after it moved 2 to 3 meters I'm pretty sure that the roll over would not have happened. The Towing vehicle kept moving, thus even on a higher traction surface the towed vehicle would have ended up going over the right hand edge. As for the rear vehicle I cannot see what it was supposed to be doing.
Fair comment.
Great insight. Always appreciate your opinion.
Much appreciated. Thanks
Felt that “idiot” to my core 😂😂😂😂😂
What about the Jeep? There were fellas standing up in the back? They shouldn’t have been there either.
I didn’t pick that. For sure they shouldn’t be there.
Driver of "recovered" vehicle was attempting to stay on the levee, turning away from the tow, ensuring the roll once tripped at the base. Seemed unaware of the tow vehicle, just wanting to be back on the yrack he had slipped off!
Wow, just wow. My theory, it was the thongs. It all starts with the collective mentality of the group before they even left home. Are they going on vacation to the beach? Or are they going 4 wheeling? There seems to be a total lack of preparation and mindset for a 4wd adventure.
Foot ware is one topic that never gets discussed I have noticed. That's why I filmed this video that released this morning.
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Sorry for the plug Matt
MadMatts Mad Videos. I think any two vehicles involved in recoveries need coms and a plan before moving.
Matt why do we have two follow the yanks ,us in Australia go 4WDing not Whellin it pisses me off this is Australia not America.
Meh 👍
TBH I have been saying it for years and years.
If the second vehicle would had kept his wheels straight or more to the right this vehicle would just rolled . But instead this guy turned the wheels all the way to the left.
Imagine: I pull you straight up hill and you turn your wheels to the right. Hmmmm
Had a winch recovery I was preparing to do once when another vehicle pulled up and w/o talking to me or anyone, backed his vehicle between mine and the target vehicle, threw a strap around the target vehicles bumper and just yanked as hard and fast as he could.
We were on icy terrain at the top of a mountain. I suspect they guy was wanting to show off how quickly a recovery can be done. And fortunately it all went ok. But had it not, it was a stupid thing to do.
And I bet there was someone in this video who wanted - and was equipped - to perform a winch recovery. But I also bet they were overruled by again, someone who wanted to show off their own "recovery prowess".
Since then I'm very hesitant to get involved in recoveries - even when I see a potential hazard - as I've learned most people don't appreciate advice and can only learn the hard way. Even when it leads to harm and destruction.
Keep up the good work. Perhaps some will learn from your highlighting others mistakes.
I've seen that attitude before as well. Based on the comments I get people are appreciating being made aware of the dangers.
I was hoping you would talk about the angle the 80 series was pulling which is very wrong. It was supposed to be almost parallel to avoid this kind of danger. The Jeep was in the correct position which the 80 series should have been also
I did talk about that and I agree with you.
It looks like a 4wd event, see the orange marker tape strung out marking tracks. Seems like the first rolled car tried to chicken out of going through the water channel by driving the bank and slipped in to the water channel trying to avoid Orlando's potential RIP spot. Jeep should of just pulled him out backwards in a straight line pull as some have said.
Also in situations like this i think someone outside the vehicle should be in charge. The driver of the stuck car usually has tunnel vision, and are rattled by possible damage/flooding to their vehicle. Just like the reason we use spotters, they can see the bigger picture and are not focused on operating 3 pedals, 2 gear sticks and a steering wheel.
Poor angles, no one in charge, slippery surfaces, improper equipment and people in the way... What could possibly go wrong?
6:40 I think they wanted to hold the vehicle so it won't slip further into the water. So the haven't even thought about holding it on the road. Same with the 2 guys on the side of the hyundai. Keep it from rolling into the water.
I'd say none of them expected the Vehicle to be pulled across the road. And they propably could've been right if a winch was used.
In short: You gave them too much credit: They thought about all of this even less.
As others have said, everything about this recovery is poorly thought out and executed. Definitely would have gone with the winch option. Also agree with your stated belief that people should never be on the exterior of the vehicle.
All so horribly wrong , Jeep was an anchor point that dragged the Toyota over the edge because of its weight angle and connection angle and in turn pulled it self over the edge, why is 80 series pulling them in direction of a massive wash out hole on side of track and not pulling forward , should’ve been winched out using a snatch block perhaps changing angle of pull, and why the hell is there people sitting standing on exterior of the Toyota, absolute madness!!!, destiny was always damage with this set up
Absolutely worst recovery I have ever seen. No supervision, the driver did not drive when tension was applied as it should have been one mild tug only. Many people in the danger zones very fortunate no one was killed. Two vehicles in tandem WRONG call, the pull on an angle of the first vehicle to be recovered would only have ended up with the second vehicle falling off the embankment which it did.
I've got the impression that these guys wanted to recover both vehicles at once. That could have worked in another situation, but as you mentioned, the angles of the two straps were totally wrong and the ground to slippery to even try this. If the intention was, as you thought, to help keeping the Toy on the dam, it must fail, as we have seen.
It looks the drama took place in Latin America. I've been travelling there for more than a year, thus the behaviour of the people is quite common over there. There are some serious and competent fourwheeler, but most people have no 4x4 skills and usually own poor if any recovery gear. These guys have just been so lucky that nobody was severely harmed.
It was in the Philippines apparently. From what I can see there's only one vehicle stuck.
😂😂😂that was the stupidest thing IV ever seen. The idiocy of some people always amazes me
1:02
Car roll over.
Lots of people running around creating nothing but chaos.
I think those standing on the side steps "thought" they were aiding traction via their weight. Clearly not via their intellect 😂
My question is are they trying to recover both cars at the same time?
I don't think the jeep is stuck, so no.
Definitely no point having that tj hooked to the rear.
How did nobody get hurt in this scene?
The driver of the stuck car locked up the brakes! If they had hit the accelerator instead, the tires might have gotten enough purchase to stay out of the ditch. So many things wrong though
Enter the screaming woman because it always helps. Why are there so many people!?! That’s crazy stuff
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I honestly dont know if I would do what I ll say but :
1. The Toyota once got bogged out turned the wheels to the diametrically opposite direction from where the forces were pulling making the rollover happen faster
2. If the driver was experienced , perhaps he would turn his weeks hard right towards were the recovery forces were pulling him, we would not perhaps recover , he d be in the water but my limited experience tells me that the vehicle would not roll over . Perhaps hit the tree or something,. Same goes for the jeep, which was absolutely inanimate .
My 2cs , again for a viewer stand point. Drivers mistakes are combined here. Nobody telling the recovery driver that the toyota is in the clear , the toyota driver turned the wheels toward the roll over was aa liece of cake.
I hope that everyone in the video is still okay!
All my best.
PS DONT DRINK AND ... RECOVER... ;)
Hello Matt
yes it's true the angles, who are used are totally wrong in my eyes.
Why are there three gyus on the driverside of the Toyota?
May be they want to give weight on the driverside of the car, so that the Toyota will not roll to the other side into the water.
You asked for mistakes which you didn't saw, well i saw minimum two big mistakes!
#1
People standing where the pulling car should better drive forward.
#2
The two persons, who where standing on the back of the Jeep.
A big mistake for me is, that they pulling car didn't stop after the Toyota was outside the water.
If you don't understand my words, then i will write it in german first and translate it after that with Google.
Greetings from Germany
Hi. I understand and appreciate you making the effort to write in English for me. The Toyota was never going to roll into the water because. 1 it didn’t when it got stuck. 2 the recovery energy will keep it on its wheels.
Everything that could go wrong obviously did go wrong Matt. That jeep that rolled should have been the recovery vehicle to recover backwards down the embankment.
I've heard it said , just like you , " if you can't walk it , you probably can't drive it either."
To the guy towing forwards, he obviously doesn't know that a lot of small inputs is better than one big uncontrolled input.
Remember the 2nd and 3rd car rule, effectively the traction is diminished after the first vehicle went through. How were they ever going to get the rest of the convoy through safely????? If the 2nd one failed, what are the chances of anyone else driving the track? I would think none.
As the all the people standing around uncontrolled and so close, they should buy a lottery ticket. Im glad everyone seems reasonably uninjured. Interesting discussion Matt.
I also see a lot of improper footwear. Flip flops are not shoes and definitely not made to move fast in this environment
Basically the tow vehicle kept pulling when he should have stoped
Cruiser guy should've given it more boonti ;
What you said is spot on. But one person being in charge only works if it's a group of mates. There was a lot of alcohol involved, is my guess, so trying to control a crowd like that would be impossible. And also, I for one would not take directions from someone I didn't know in that situation. It's pretty obvious from thier set up that no one with a clue is in the general vicinity. Or they didn't speak up for fear of getting beaten up by drunk,stupid, dumb C's.
Totally agree. If I’d been one of the vehicles I would have been very intentional about who I used. If I was in the crowd I probably would have walked away knowing there was no way I could help because the crowd would be uncontrollable.
I can't see why the car could have not been recovered backwards. ?
I can't help but think the tow car should've let off the gas way sooner but i also dont 4x4
I agree with you.
The is from philippines. We're embarrased.
Were you at this place when it happened? I’m glad no one was hurt.
Multi vehicle hook up would have lowered if not completely reduced this from happening
Yes totally.
Like what. Did they think they could stop the recovered car before it was dragged into that big whole on the other side???
But firstly:
What were they thinking to start with? Diving on that slippery road, as narrow as the cars themselves and with water on one side and the slope on the other? The road isn't even flat ... and that with city slick tires??? Their stupidity did not start with the recovery.
Dumb and Dummer, that is horrific to watch. Did anyone die?
I don't know but it was a miracle to see the fellows get up and walk away from it.
What a cluster. I think they look like a bunch of drunks.
too many people in dangerous places
They call it Stupidity!!
What about the Idiots standing up in the back of the Jeep. They were also thrown out.
You know I watched this video heaps and until you guys pointed out those fellas I'd never noticed them. They had to have got hurt ay.
I think this is just a modern RSPCA approved incarnation of activities like Pamplona’s running with the bulls… 😅
Cartel recovery. Life is apparently cheap.
just let the darwin awards happen too many people
There is a whole heap of Darwinism going on with this situation, however I would say Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
As far as I understand it there is no requirement for any qualifications to be able to go Off Road Driving? A lot of folks with experience probably wouldn't have even tried driving through there, as commented Road Tyres Highway pressures etc.
I can see reasons why folks might have done what they did, for instance standing on the running boards to balance the vehicle and stop it from rolling in to the water.
I VERY much agree with the fact that a Winch would be better, however were any of us there? Was there a working winch with someone qualified to use it amongst the group, in correctly used a winch can be deadly. However saying that there would not have been TOO much load on the winch from seeing how the stuck vehicle moved.
Yes they all looked a bit like they were on an outing to the Beach and I bet they all wished that was what they had done in the first place!
A big YES to all that was said, ONE person in control, ALL others out of danger zones, a lot of folks in what I call "The Triangle of Death" in the shown situation. VERY lucky no one was seriously injured.
However I would ask a lot of the commenters, before you learnt anything better, did you know better? Common sense SHOULD have prevailed however the situation here seems very much to have overwhelmed everything else.
Hopefully this was a light bulb moment for at least some of the folks there, makes me wince at some of the antics that even "experienced" off roaders get up to, who should actually know better.
Also before you ask, yes I have Off Road experience, in training for around 35 Years, have been stuck LOADS of times, yes I have been in a vehicle that has rolled, luckily very slowly with no damage, looking at what happened I tend to feel even if someone was there with the experience to control what was going on, it is likely they would have been ignored.
My 2 pennyworth anyway. Good video, lots of great advice, hopefully the folks learnt a bit from their mistakes, all of them should watch as many of Matts presentations as they can.
Great comment and thanks for your kind words.
"What do we have here?" A pack of idiots...probably drunk idiots.
"Who's in charge of the recovery?" Murphy.
"What else could they have done?" Waited for a sober adult with a clue to show up.
Holy wow!! Surely that was staged for entertainment purposes, you couldn't get that many things wrong without trying.
I think it's kinda a shame you moved to this reaction video content.
Why's that? I'm not sure what you mean. We seem to be getting lots of people appreciating it because they're learning about how to tackle challenges and to prevent issues. That's always my aim. We will still do our teaching videos. Or did I misunderstand your comment?
1. הרכב המחולץ מסובב הגהה מלא לשמאל.
היה צריך לסובב הגה מלא לימין כניראה לא היה קורה.
2. אני חושב שזה חילוץ בשיירה שנהוג בקולומביב למשל( אני אישית לא מנוסה בזה אבל ראיתי שעושים)
מקומות חלקים המון בוץ שיירה שצריכה לעבור.
כולם מושכים את כולם כמו רכבת.
נראה לי זה מה שרואים.
אבל באמת חושב שכיוון הגלגלים הוא מה שבסוף גרם להיפוך.
דבר נוסף
חילוץ ישר (כמו שהיצעת)לא חושב שיכל להתבצע המקום צר ומאוד חלק יש סיכוי גדול שכל רכב יסטה בעיקר למחלץ ויכשל.
נושא של כננת
לדעתי כננת עם כבל מתכת היא הדבר השני הכי מסוכן אחרי חבל קינאטי.
כננת חבל סינטטי בידים מיומנות יהיה יותר בטוח.
אבל כננת כבל מתכת בידיים לא מיומנות סכנה גדולה מאוד
Thanks for the comment. I agree a winch is a great tool but not with wire rope. The synthetic rope is better.
Far too many Indians and no chiefs...
Where the hell was Russell Coight.?
He would have had those vehicles out in a flash Ha !
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You're assuming any of these idiots had any idea what they were doing.
Not to worry, the government will give them a new one...