im coming up on 2 years in my loops. so far no adverse effects. so separation of the particles, i took one loop apart and everything still looks nice and clean. went ahead and put the original fluid back in and continued to run it.
I put this stuff into a new loop (all components new) and it was the most visually stunning fluid I've ever seen. It was literally mesmerizing. About 4 months later I took the loop apart just to add a GPU backplate for a sandwich and found solid matter was everywhere, including stains on the inside of the tubes (hard) and the reservoir. It was even inside the fittings! A very thin talcum-like powder, white and light blueish. Had to throw the tubes out, was able to disassemble the blocks and res to clean them. No permanent damage but a royal PITA that was just not worth it.
I've used vue from january to july and my experience with it was relatively pain free. Barely any build up from it and any that was there was very easy to wipe off.
I got about 3 weeks out my Primochill Vue Sterling Silver. CPU, GPU and all tubing had a very heavy film build-up. I tried a Reboot flush and it was still pretty bad. Tossed the tubing and went back to EK non-opaque coolant never looking back.
Vue also reacts with air. Mine went milky from because i had one of those pressure relesse fittings. Replacing it and using replacement coolant, going on near 2 years without issues since.
Don't think I'd be comfortable suspending the reservoir over the power supply. I'd probably at least flip the P/S over so the fan draws air from the bottom of the case maybe preventing leaks causing a short or, heaven forbid, a fire.
Unless the ends pop off the reservoir I see absolutely no reason to worry. The fittings are the place where there could be a leak and he is using right angle fittings screwed into the reservoir, so if the tubes pop the coolant will spray up or down way to the right of the PSU. And if the PSU was to get wet from there , then it would from any where in the case.
Set the Fan Curve in Bios to the Water temp... if you have a temp sensor! Still, 90° is way too high for the GPU under water, even at low Rpm Fans or Passive Rad cooling... Check if the Block is mounted properly right length Screws & right thickness Thermalpads!
I thought about that but keep in mind this case has terrible airflow which greatly diminishes its ability to passively cool. Especially considering I had just run a cpu stress test.
1.19 There was no 'research' for VUE at the time it was released (Late 2017). All the hype suggested it was designed not to clog and it was touted as a long term coolant unlike Mayhems Aurora. But yes, in hindsight I agree we with you that every coolant that contains some particulates *is* going to clog or cause issues eventually.
I do not use pastel / solid colors because I do not want to deal with the buildup. But like you mentioned at the start, you must do your research. I did my research and decided on EK's Blood Red Cryofluid and it has been awesome. Another note: 90C is very hot for a gpu on water even with the fans on low.Those EK blocks tend to have problems with temps unless you use the shortest possible screws.
Yeah his GPU temps were really bad. I tried to replicate them by locking my fans on their lowest possible speeds and running FireStrike Ultra stress test for 15mins and my GPU barely touched 71C core (85C junction and 79C hotspot). That was with a power-hungry 3080 drawing twice the wattage that his 1080 did. I normally undervolt it to keep the temps even lower and draw less power but I reverted it to factory settings to try replicating his results. Why do you say EK has problems with the screw lengths? I have an EK Quantum block and didn’t have a single issue with the screws.
I wanna see tests with what's better. Running opaques fast to try and force the particles through with more pressure but more times or slower so they make less passes and possibly less stuck
When it comes to water loops I have stopped using that Mayhems blitz clean crap, I started using it under the instruction it must be used to clean out parts, yet every time I have used it and despite following the instructions fully I found that i was getting color shift and fallout within 5 months with Mayhems pastel blue, my last PC however I used the same parts but new and skipped the blitz and chucked the mayhems pastel right in and that lasted over a year and a half before i decided to clean the system and it had minimal fall out and no color shift at all, so I am convinced that the blitz clean crap is the cause
Going on a year and 4 months on pastel green. Though the previous loop had X1 blood red, i used blitz on it then went pastel. Will be running blitz again and going back to pastel soon. Just put a mini-ITX rig on Pastel purple will see how it goes.
Check this clip out for a detailed explanation. th-cam.com/video/6pR-NcKO78M/w-d-xo.html Basically, you didnt initially flush correctly or at all, before starting the loop.
New the channel, getting ready to build a new computer and tackling my first custom loop with it. Random question, has anyone ever told you look like you could be JayzTwoCents brother?
Aurora has worked for me. Only falls out after awhile but doesn’t clog. Also pastel by mayhem’s has never gave me a problem. Ended of the day I prefer clear just because it looks nice
I have used Aurora 3 times, never long term, and every time it has coated the inside of everything with silver. Don't get me wrong, it's gorgeous, but definitely a pain to clean up. I've never had any problems with pastel fluid but there's always a little bit of stuff to clean out of the blocks.
Sedimentation.... Have you tried fixing it by adjusting pump speed? There is a decent amount of head pressure with all those fittings and or you might end up with more laminar flow and less turbulent flow to mix the sediments back into suspension. I doubt they are glued to anything in the system if you are not running air bubbles needlessly in the loop to oxidize or evaporate part of the fluid.
Hey man great video that gave me a lot of info that helped me decide if Vue was worth the hassle. I’m still a bit confused with your thermals on the GPU. Even with a low fan curve I don’t see how a 1080 on water could hit 90C and throttle so hard in 15mins. Did you ever take the block apart and double-check your thermal pads and paste? I can’t even break past 72C with my 3080 and that is with the fans manually locked as slow as I can get them without them stopping (around 250rpm).
When you're putting in primochill if you haven't completely clean the line or if there's anything left of the fluid that came before or if your blocks aren't completely clean primochill actually clean the stuff off and it's going to start to accumulate in other areas really if you're going to use primochill only use copper if you use anything else other than copper you're going to have a reaction and please clean your lines well if not you're going to get a reaction
That's why I have used simple de-ionized water with PT Nuke and Feser Base corrosion inhibitor for 15 years now. If I wan't colour, I use coloured tubes/pipes and only flush if I keep a PC for more than 5 years. ^_^
how the hell GPU is reaching 90 degrees on water? my 1080 ti reached 60c after 30 minutes. Also a watercooled PC with two 360 rads. EDIT: I'm running the fans at 800RPM. 90 degrees is just not possible in my loop.
Very informative video. PrimoChill recommends not using the Vue for more than 8hours a day, did you run it longer than 8 hours pr day ? Just curious as I tend to let my pcs run all day long.
I havent had problems with long run times, Ive been running Vue for 9 months and I normally run between 6 and 12 hours at a time. I ran it for a month just to see what would happen and its still like the day i filled it.
Good lord 90c on liquid?! My 1080ti with vue runnning for 8 months tops at 42c while gaming for 3+ hours at a time. That has to be something besides the fluid causing the temps to be sooo high
what did you switch to? did you get a refund? i use acids to clean my blocks so i really don't mind the cleaning, but if it clogs up then that just defeats the whole purpose. do you have a lot of mixed metals or something that reacted to the Vue?
Neil Andrew Cerullo no all same metals and I just run distilled water and dye and no build up any more and I flushing 3 times and try it again and clogged again
Great timing on the release of this video, I was about to migrate my daily driver into a new case with a custom loop this weekend! I was already looking at VUE and wasn't sure between the gray or the white. Going from a Evolv Shift to Cerberus case. Pics: m.imgur.com/a/cIMIEmS
This is the first time seeing one of your videos; thank you for providing in depth detail and that's a very nice build. A bit of constructive criticism though, I'd try to keep these videos a bit shorter and edit a bit more, 23 minutes is a bit long.
This video ended up much longer than I would have hoped but it was important to me that I was thorough so that those looking for an in depth review didn't feel cheated.
For sure don't run fur mark since it is a virus program designed to over heat your GPU. Run instead 3d mark or some other render benchmark on loop for realistic temp.
I have no issue to change coolant but the primochill Vue is just absurd just look at some of the precautions you can't run your machine for more then 8 a day ? you need to change it about 4-6 months and some other bs. no thanks other coolants have much better tolerant you can run them 1-2 years with no worries or issues flush your system and put the new coolant.
Eliad Buchnik I agree. I was hoping that it was gonna be better than the Aurora stuff but it’s basically the same, if not, worse. Currently I have some white pastel running in my loop and I just changed it after 2 years and my blocks looked perfectly fine. In the future I hope coolants like Vue and Aurora become somewhat reliable because they look amazing.
saying its peoples fault for not doing enough research and to just stop complaining. is a horrible mindset to have on the issue. expecting everyone to do their due diligence and not take the manufacturers advertising at face value is naive. the problem with Vue was the huge amount of promotion around it and within the community about it. big youtubers like jays2cents saying nothing but good things about it, "it cleaned the blocks", said some shit like that. Marketing works, and people are stupid and got fooled. is it people's fault? no its PrimoChill's fault, and their credibility as a brand deserves to be in tatters because of this
As a consumer, you have a right to that opinion and you certainly don't have to buy their product. We'll see how it works out for them in the long run.
Why use that will destroy your loop and cooling in the first place?! I don't get the logic. Use the proper distilled liquid without unnecessary additive. Using Vue liquid is like adding RGB color to your case. No one gives a shit. You're not looking at your case when gaming. Only wasteful energy drain and a distraction with all the blinking and lights.
I think if you are going to use a solid fluid, i think the loop maintenance interval should be roughly be 6 months with a monthly stress test and visual inspection. Clear Fluid with clear dyes should be fine for a year until a change but a visual inspection should be done every other month.
im coming up on 2 years in my loops. so far no adverse effects. so separation of the particles, i took one loop apart and everything still looks nice and clean. went ahead and put the original fluid back in and continued to run it.
I put this stuff into a new loop (all components new) and it was the most visually stunning fluid I've ever seen. It was literally mesmerizing.
About 4 months later I took the loop apart just to add a GPU backplate for a sandwich and found solid matter was everywhere, including stains on the inside of the tubes (hard) and the reservoir. It was even inside the fittings!
A very thin talcum-like powder, white and light blueish. Had to throw the tubes out, was able to disassemble the blocks and res to clean them. No permanent damage but a royal PITA that was just not worth it.
In 2023. I still thank you for this video. I still stay with clear because I don’t want all these issues. Thank you for video
Just recently got into water cooling. This was very informative. Thank you so much! 🕸
This is hands down THE BEST video about PrimoChill VUE I've seen. Great work. This clearly deserves more than 9K views.
Thanks for this, I've been looking for decent videos on Vue that explain some of the more technical expectations and realistic usage tips.
I've used vue from january to july and my experience with it was relatively pain free. Barely any build up from it and any that was there was very easy to wipe off.
I got about 3 weeks out my Primochill Vue Sterling Silver. CPU, GPU and all tubing had a very heavy film build-up. I tried a Reboot flush and it was still pretty bad. Tossed the tubing and went back to EK non-opaque coolant never looking back.
If you used soft tubing, the VUE must have leached some plastiziser from the tubing since its mildly embrasive.
Vue also reacts with air. Mine went milky from because i had one of those pressure relesse fittings. Replacing it and using replacement coolant, going on near 2 years without issues since.
Don't think I'd be comfortable suspending the reservoir over the power supply. I'd probably at least flip the P/S over so the fan draws air from the bottom of the case maybe preventing leaks causing a short or, heaven forbid, a fire.
Unless the ends pop off the reservoir I see absolutely no reason to worry. The fittings are the place where there could be a leak and he is using right angle fittings screwed into the reservoir, so if the tubes pop the coolant will spray up or down way to the right of the PSU. And if the PSU was to get wet from there , then it would from any where in the case.
Set the Fan Curve in Bios to the Water temp... if you have a temp sensor! Still, 90° is way too high for the GPU under water, even at low Rpm Fans or Passive Rad cooling... Check if the Block is mounted properly right length Screws & right thickness Thermalpads!
I thought about that but keep in mind this case has terrible airflow which greatly diminishes its ability to passively cool. Especially considering I had just run a cpu stress test.
That's normally how I set up my fan curves. Not sure why I skipped it this time. Probably just an oversight
I watched your video in two parts, now I heard you mentioned it... Blocks looked quite good opened! Seen worse! ... :)
What case is that in the background at the very beginning?
1.19 There was no 'research' for VUE at the time it was released (Late 2017). All the hype suggested it was designed not to clog and it was touted as a long term coolant unlike Mayhems Aurora. But yes, in hindsight I agree we with you that every coolant that contains some particulates *is* going to clog or cause issues eventually.
AJ I agree. No warnings or info was available. Now Primochill has pages of warnings on their site.
Informative video man. Keep the good work coming. I’m sure there’s more people out there like me who’s curious about learning to water cool
A link where to buy would be nice.
Thanks! Very informative video!
I do not use pastel / solid colors because I do not want to deal with the buildup. But like you mentioned at the start, you must do your research. I did my research and decided on EK's Blood Red Cryofluid and it has been awesome. Another note: 90C is very hot for a gpu on water even with the fans on low.Those EK blocks tend to have problems with temps unless you use the shortest possible screws.
Yeah his GPU temps were really bad. I tried to replicate them by locking my fans on their lowest possible speeds and running FireStrike Ultra stress test for 15mins and my GPU barely touched 71C core (85C junction and 79C hotspot). That was with a power-hungry 3080 drawing twice the wattage that his 1080 did. I normally undervolt it to keep the temps even lower and draw less power but I reverted it to factory settings to try replicating his results.
Why do you say EK has problems with the screw lengths? I have an EK Quantum block and didn’t have a single issue with the screws.
I wanna see tests with what's better.
Running opaques fast to try and force the particles through with more pressure but more times or slower so they make less passes and possibly less stuck
What kind of fittings are those
Man what fittings ?
are you still using this product? Getting ready for my first liquid cooling build and doing a lot of research on products, design...etc.
When it comes to water loops I have stopped using that Mayhems blitz clean crap, I started using it under the instruction it must be used to clean out parts, yet every time I have used it and despite following the instructions fully I found that i was getting color shift and fallout within 5 months with Mayhems pastel blue, my last PC however I used the same parts but new and skipped the blitz and chucked the mayhems pastel right in and that lasted over a year and a half before i decided to clean the system and it had minimal fall out and no color shift at all, so I am convinced that the blitz clean crap is the cause
90c on gpu with watercooling? wtf?
Going on a year and 4 months on pastel green. Though the previous loop had X1 blood red, i used blitz on it then went pastel. Will be running blitz again and going back to pastel soon. Just put a mini-ITX rig on Pastel purple will see how it goes.
Mine went from silver opaque to transparent blue. Any ideas?
Check this clip out for a detailed explanation. th-cam.com/video/6pR-NcKO78M/w-d-xo.html Basically, you didnt initially flush correctly or at all, before starting the loop.
What I got from this is "clean your loop with System Reboot once or twice a year"
New the channel, getting ready to build a new computer and tackling my first custom loop with it. Random question, has anyone ever told you look like you could be JayzTwoCents brother?
Its for show... Period even says to not run it continuous in the instructions......
Whats that computer case in the background?
Aurora has worked for me. Only falls out after awhile but doesn’t clog. Also pastel by mayhem’s has never gave me a problem. Ended of the day I prefer clear just because it looks nice
I have used Aurora 3 times, never long term, and every time it has coated the inside of everything with silver. Don't get me wrong, it's gorgeous, but definitely a pain to clean up. I've never had any problems with pastel fluid but there's always a little bit of stuff to clean out of the blocks.
Vir1lity PC Customs it seems it is just like the vue where the experience varies from person to person. Build to build
Good information. Thanks.
Sedimentation.... Have you tried fixing it by adjusting pump speed? There is a decent amount of head pressure with all those fittings and or you might end up with more laminar flow and less turbulent flow to mix the sediments back into suspension. I doubt they are glued to anything in the system if you are not running air bubbles needlessly in the loop to oxidize or evaporate part of the fluid.
Had vue all the particles fell out within a month
Mine fell out in 2 days
Isnt MSI Afterburner just for the Fans on the GPU or/and CPU ? Didnt know you could set the afterburner for the casefans
Actual contend starts around @10:00
Wb man, hope all is well man.
my EK fluid azure blue has zero issues and still looks great after 6 months
revisiting this video lol I can confirm the ekwb fluids hold up except the orange one, which broke down for me on my back up build.
Hey man great video that gave me a lot of info that helped me decide if Vue was worth the hassle.
I’m still a bit confused with your thermals on the GPU. Even with a low fan curve I don’t see how a 1080 on water could hit 90C and throttle so hard in 15mins. Did you ever take the block apart and double-check your thermal pads and paste? I can’t even break past 72C with my 3080 and that is with the fans manually locked as slow as I can get them without them stopping (around 250rpm).
When you're putting in primochill if you haven't completely clean the line or if there's anything left of the fluid that came before or if your blocks aren't completely clean primochill actually clean the stuff off and it's going to start to accumulate in other areas really if you're going to use primochill only use copper if you use anything else other than copper you're going to have a reaction and please clean your lines well if not you're going to get a reaction
There is a clean up thing I think where you drop a few drops into distilled water and everything is gonna clean out
That's why I have used simple de-ionized water with PT Nuke and Feser Base corrosion inhibitor for 15 years now. If I wan't colour, I use coloured tubes/pipes and only flush if I keep a PC for more than 5 years. ^_^
Good Video JAy.!
may I ask what power cable's you are using. they look like a copper finish of sort. very cool! :D
Brown sleeves from MDPC-X
Will you try out UFO technology's cyro-chillz fluids?
how the hell GPU is reaching 90 degrees on water? my 1080 ti reached 60c after 30 minutes. Also a watercooled PC with two 360 rads.
EDIT: I'm running the fans at 800RPM. 90 degrees is just not possible in my loop.
What resi are you using sir?
Very informative video. PrimoChill recommends not using the Vue for more than 8hours a day, did you run it longer than 8 hours pr day ? Just curious as I tend to let my pcs run all day long.
I havent had problems with long run times, Ive been running Vue for 9 months and I normally run between 6 and 12 hours at a time. I ran it for a month just to see what would happen and its still like the day i filled it.
@@IONredline06 Glad to hear=)
I don't usually run my PC for more than 8 hours in a given day
Been running xspc ec6 opaque for 7 month now zero build up which is not surprising es xspc claims it has no particles in it.
Christian that shit is great !
My PC sits on the floor, the cat is the only one who sees it. I asked, he doesn't care about the color of the water in the loop.
Good lord 90c on liquid?! My 1080ti with vue runnning for 8 months tops at 42c while gaming for 3+ hours at a time. That has to be something besides the fluid causing the temps to be sooo high
totally agree. I also have 1080 ti with custom loop. Temps under furmark never reach 90c. It reached something around 60c.
He explained it in the video, he had the fans set to ramp on CPU temperature, so they weren't spinning.
Take a shot every time he blinks
theqrokz i’m dead
sorry but my looped clogged in a week with vue , flushed it and less then a week clogged again they should have never came out with it
what did you switch to? did you get a refund? i use acids to clean my blocks so i really don't mind the cleaning, but if it clogs up then that just defeats the whole purpose. do you have a lot of mixed metals or something that reacted to the Vue?
Neil Andrew Cerullo no all same metals and I just run distilled water and dye and no build up any more and I flushing 3 times and try it again and clogged again
Neil Andrew Cerullo i even installed new rads and cleaned cpu block and within a week started building up started seeing it in the cpu block fins
Drone Evolution NYC gotchya. I just ordered some UFO Cobalt Blue. hoping it won't cause blockage issues.
I used the opaque shit and it seperated after like a month i'm just going to use distilled water from now on
Great timing on the release of this video, I was about to migrate my daily driver into a new case with a custom loop this weekend! I was already looking at VUE and wasn't sure between the gray or the white. Going from a Evolv Shift to Cerberus case. Pics: m.imgur.com/a/cIMIEmS
That's a tricky one. I'd love to see how you cram a loop in there.
Vir1lity PC Customs So far, this has to be the best implementation I've seen for a loop in this kind of case: th-cam.com/video/LFL-Rihdexo/w-d-xo.html
This is the first time seeing one of your videos; thank you for providing in depth detail and that's a very nice build. A bit of constructive criticism though, I'd try to keep these videos a bit shorter and edit a bit more, 23 minutes is a bit long.
This video ended up much longer than I would have hoped but it was important to me that I was thorough so that those looking for an in depth review didn't feel cheated.
Running a closed AIO loop r.i.p
Is that the MKBHD Shirt ?
'tis
For sure don't run fur mark since it is a virus program designed to over heat your GPU. Run instead 3d mark or some other render benchmark on loop for realistic temp.
extremely long winded , But very helpful so thankyou .
6 months but you look younger ;d
Super late to the party, but nice video Tony!
Thanks man!
I have no issue to change coolant but the primochill Vue is just absurd just look at some of the precautions
you can't run your machine for more then 8 a day ?
you need to change it about 4-6 months
and some other bs. no thanks other coolants have much better tolerant you can run them 1-2 years with no worries or issues flush your system and put the new coolant.
Eliad Buchnik I agree. I was hoping that it was gonna be better than the Aurora stuff but it’s basically the same, if not, worse. Currently I have some white pastel running in my loop and I just changed it after 2 years and my blocks looked perfectly fine. In the future I hope coolants like Vue and Aurora become somewhat reliable because they look amazing.
Primochill sells all sorts of sub-par products and their customer service is horrendous
No need to be angry about opaque and VUE coolants. Just don't use them.
saying its peoples fault for not doing enough research and to just stop complaining. is a horrible mindset to have on the issue.
expecting everyone to do their due diligence and not take the manufacturers advertising at face value is naive.
the problem with Vue was the huge amount of promotion around it and within the community about it. big youtubers like jays2cents saying nothing but good things about it, "it cleaned the blocks", said some shit like that.
Marketing works, and people are stupid and got fooled. is it people's fault? no its PrimoChill's fault, and their credibility as a brand deserves to be in tatters because of this
As a consumer, you have a right to that opinion and you certainly don't have to buy their product. We'll see how it works out for them in the long run.
Vue and Aurora are not worth using.
JayzOneCent
Why use that will destroy your loop and cooling in the first place?! I don't get the logic. Use the proper distilled liquid without unnecessary additive.
Using Vue liquid is like adding RGB color to your case. No one gives a shit. You're not looking at your case when gaming. Only wasteful energy drain and a distraction with all the blinking and lights.
you look like jay b4 time and youtube comments kicked his @$5
if u wanna see it after 12 months check out my vid titled "GTX1080 SLI AUTIZMO". (IT's BAD lol)
Poor Man's Jaystwocents
just put food colouring and be done with it
Alexblackish No food coloring. Has bacteria and sugars in it that will clog your system.
TL:DR stuff is garbage
I think if you are going to use a solid fluid, i think the loop maintenance interval should be roughly be 6 months with a monthly stress test and visual inspection. Clear Fluid with clear dyes should be fine for a year until a change but a visual inspection should be done every other month.