It's a good idea, I'd love to see the video, but the answer is mostly format identity. For example, Chalice of the Void crushes moxen, which are half the point of the format. Ponder, Brainstorm, and Lotus Petal step on the toes of Ancestral Recall and the Moxen, 4 copies is too consistent to have the second best version of an effect. So, Legacy is the Brainstorm format, where you expect to have ways to manipulate the top of your deck and cycle, and Chalice is an important card to keep 1 drop and 2 drop plays in check, and also matters against eggs. Vintage is about playing with Power, so overshadowing Ancestral with Brainstorm just because there are more copies is tough, and Chalice on 0 is crippling.
@@LibertyMonk No, it's not because brainstorm "steps on the toes of" ancestral recall, it's because they let you dig for power. Many of the cards on the restricted list are restricted because they make finding power too easy, and thats why the cantrips are banned.
@@noguy5961Trinisphere, karn, nerset, mystic forge, monsatery mentor, lotus petal, lions eye diamond, balance, thorn of amethyst, mind's desire, lodestone golem, and chalice of the void are all restricted in vintage and none of them draw cards or seek for power...
@@noguy5961Exactly, at one point thirst for knowledge was restricted in vintage and it costs 3 mana. Brainstorm in legacy can draw you LED and such sure, but in vintage you could be drawing multiple restricted cards with one brainstorm and putting back cards that do not matter once you have the powerful restricted cards in your hand. Chalice got restricted because shops really was too good. A shops player on the play would break the back of many decks because they could just go workshop, some moxen, and multiple cards that make playing the game very difficult for any opponent on the first turn. Chalice is really dumb at that because you have basically every deck running zero drops so you could play it for zero and lockpieces like spheres. It wouldn't affect you either because you just run out your moxen/lotus first.
I think you should do a personal favorite top ten. Be it card art, utility, or roundedness, nothing drives the metrics like subjective opinions being placed in a hierarchy!
Treasure Cruise could have something like "If you delved 1 or 2 cards to cast this spell, draw three cards. If you delved 3, 4 or 5 cards to cast this spell, draw 2 cards. If you delved 6 or more cards, draw 1 card" Keeps the identity of the card, balances it out, and gives you a genuine choice. Probably still bad but at the very least interesting
Treasure cruise is only good because it can be 3 for 1-2 Mana. Why would you play it over every bad 3 Mana draw 2? If you spend more than 2, maybe 3 Mana on cruise, you aren't playing vintage magic, and pauper is just vintage lite. Cruise could probably be like, 6 Mana instead of 8 and draw 2. And it would be more reasonable
To make that nerf a bit more readable and playable, it could be a 3U sorcery with delve and "draw X cards, where X is 3 minus the number of cards exiled with ~'s delve ability". Then it'd cycle for 1U, be a Divination for 2U, and then be a 3 max tax on ancestral at full price. Probably very strong, given none of those rates are too unreasonable, but much safer than the delve draw spells that actually got printed.
A few of these cards had me worried as i run them in pauper commander where they're still legal i had to keep reminding myself they're different formats.
i think this is the channel where the guy purposefully mispronounces something in every video. I unsubbed long ago, I only had to listen to this one because I had my headset on and was far across the house and couldn't make it back to the computer to go to another video.
Probably mispronounces words so people comment and it results in the algorithm showing the video to more people. More likes and comments mean more visibility. It's pretty dumb.
Adding 2 blue mana would actually "fix" Treasure Cruise in Pauper. Especially considering we just got quick study printed, which is a power crept version of Divination, a minimum 3 mana draw 3 would not be broken by any means. Still amazing that it does not break Pioneer at all.
Fwiw in regards to Chatterstorm/empty the warrens. Black is not the only colour with answers to it. Red actually has multiple different answers to it, including the fairly common sideboard piece, Fiery Cannonade, and LCI just gave us Tectonic Hazard. They pump out damage to the board to kill a bunch of small creatures.
Disagree about what makes cranial plating broken. The instant equip ability is way less important than you might think; it's expensive and heavy in a color that many affinity decks don't even play (especially without disciple). It's everything else about plating that is undercosted and the fact that it's an artifact makes it so so much better than all that glitters. With plating on board every single free jerk is a must answer threat. With all that glitters if you answer the creature you've dealt with the threat entirely.
MTGO being pronounced "MTG GO" was interesting. MTGO was made when something being online was novel, so there wasn't really much put into the branding.
That's the least of his mispronunciations. At least we can be certain he isn't an AI narrator because of the frequent mispronunciations of common English words.
I think that theoretically the downside of Frantic Search is that while it's mana neutral it puts you behind on card advantage, since you play it and discard two cards and only draw two. I'm guessing that there's just so many ways to make that not matter so that it's not enough of a downside though.
that + storm cards go crazy with it, and usually you can discard something you dont need. If you have a bounce land or a way to copy the spell you even go mana positive with it
For the love of God run the words you have only read but never heard through a pronunciation check. Warren= worr+uhn. Happens so frequently. Normally wouldn't mind but now bunch of people unfamiliar will be mispronouncing.
"Today we'll be discussing the commons only format pauper." > First card shown in the list isn't the common rarity printing of the card, thus immediately causing visual confusion why we're discussing an Uncommon in the "Common Only" format, and it's shift in rarity is never mentioned at any point. Off to a good start.
@@jadedheartszit is still a common, but he could taken the extra 10 seconds per card to find a black expansion symbol printing of the card. Its an "attention to detail" thing that probably won't matter, but when you're talking about pauper, it's worth doing. All the cards seem to be most-recent printings, and it's kinda weird seeing Commander or Masters symbols on cards when he's talking about Khans set, etc.
@@LibertyMonk Exactly, it's a quality thing, he's trying to be kinda funny by intentionally mispronouncing words which is irritating in itself because he's obviously intentionally doing it to farm comments correcting him, and then he doesn't take the time to find appropriate card printings for visuals, doesn't mention rarity changes, etc... he tries to make the video at least somewhat professional but then he does a lot of unprofessional things. Kind of hurts my desire to continue to watch his videos because he clearly doesn't care about them either.
I am so disturbed that they banned every storm option. Like, i always wanted to play some kind of storm, i mean, a normal storm, not graveyard one. And now like the only format I can play it is Modern. And no one in my club plays it. And i am not even talking about the cost of a deck. Like, I hate this. From my perspective it's unfair.
Pretty much at least once a video I cringe when u mispronounce words. War-rens, not Wear-rens or Were-rens or Where-rens. We have google that can tell u how to pronounce words, please use it.
I think Treasure Cruise could be fixed if you make it cost 2 blue mana and give it an extra cost where you also have to discard a card for each card you Delve from the graveyard.
Storm is just a mechanic made for ppl that can’t really play the game and so need to use a deck that doesn’t interact. “Ritual ritual ritual storm” very difficult lol
Would love to see a video going over the cards that are restricted in vintage, but not banned in legacy
super good idea!
It's a good idea, I'd love to see the video, but the answer is mostly format identity. For example, Chalice of the Void crushes moxen, which are half the point of the format. Ponder, Brainstorm, and Lotus Petal step on the toes of Ancestral Recall and the Moxen, 4 copies is too consistent to have the second best version of an effect.
So, Legacy is the Brainstorm format, where you expect to have ways to manipulate the top of your deck and cycle, and Chalice is an important card to keep 1 drop and 2 drop plays in check, and also matters against eggs. Vintage is about playing with Power, so overshadowing Ancestral with Brainstorm just because there are more copies is tough, and Chalice on 0 is crippling.
@@LibertyMonk No, it's not because brainstorm "steps on the toes of" ancestral recall, it's because they let you dig for power. Many of the cards on the restricted list are restricted because they make finding power too easy, and thats why the cantrips are banned.
@@noguy5961Trinisphere, karn, nerset, mystic forge, monsatery mentor, lotus petal, lions eye diamond, balance, thorn of amethyst, mind's desire, lodestone golem, and chalice of the void are all restricted in vintage and none of them draw cards or seek for power...
@@noguy5961Exactly, at one point thirst for knowledge was restricted in vintage and it costs 3 mana. Brainstorm in legacy can draw you LED and such sure, but in vintage you could be drawing multiple restricted cards with one brainstorm and putting back cards that do not matter once you have the powerful restricted cards in your hand.
Chalice got restricted because shops really was too good. A shops player on the play would break the back of many decks because they could just go workshop, some moxen, and multiple cards that make playing the game very difficult for any opponent on the first turn. Chalice is really dumb at that because you have basically every deck running zero drops so you could play it for zero and lockpieces like spheres. It wouldn't affect you either because you just run out your moxen/lotus first.
Warren the world is carmen sandiego
That joke was 30 years in the making 😂🍻
I think you should do a personal favorite top ten. Be it card art, utility, or roundedness, nothing drives the metrics like subjective opinions being placed in a hierarchy!
Treasure Cruise could have something like "If you delved 1 or 2 cards to cast this spell, draw three cards. If you delved 3, 4 or 5 cards to cast this spell, draw 2 cards. If you delved 6 or more cards, draw 1 card"
Keeps the identity of the card, balances it out, and gives you a genuine choice. Probably still bad but at the very least interesting
Ah, so the Murktide Regent or Compleated approach.
@@LibertyMonk yeah, something like that
Treasure cruise is only good because it can be 3 for 1-2 Mana. Why would you play it over every bad 3 Mana draw 2?
If you spend more than 2, maybe 3 Mana on cruise, you aren't playing vintage magic, and pauper is just vintage lite.
Cruise could probably be like, 6 Mana instead of 8 and draw 2. And it would be more reasonable
To make that nerf a bit more readable and playable, it could be a 3U sorcery with delve and "draw X cards, where X is 3 minus the number of cards exiled with ~'s delve ability". Then it'd cycle for 1U, be a Divination for 2U, and then be a 3 max tax on ancestral at full price. Probably very strong, given none of those rates are too unreasonable, but much safer than the delve draw spells that actually got printed.
Everyone in this thread trying to workshop TC…please give it up
Thanks for doing the Pauper ban list!
A few of these cards had me worried as i run them in pauper commander where they're still legal i had to keep reminding myself they're different formats.
Updating the part about cranial plating, all that glitters is banned now too
Now this is a video I have been waiting for. I love pauper and its such an odd format to have cards so powerful they need to be banned.
Just a heads up, its enter the war-ens, not ware-ens
i think this is the channel where the guy purposefully mispronounces something in every video. I unsubbed long ago, I only had to listen to this one because I had my headset on and was far across the house and couldn't make it back to the computer to go to another video.
Probably mispronounces words so people comment and it results in the algorithm showing the video to more people. More likes and comments mean more visibility. It's pretty dumb.
He doesn't do it on his other channel oddly
Adding 2 blue mana would actually "fix" Treasure Cruise in Pauper. Especially considering we just got quick study printed, which is a power crept version of Divination, a minimum 3 mana draw 3 would not be broken by any means. Still amazing that it does not break Pioneer at all.
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Ah yes, Empty the Wherrens.
Ironic that the flavour text on Frantic Search is about the banning of temporal manipulation at Tolarian College.
"Blue has historically been one of the best colors..." not just pauper.
Fwiw in regards to Chatterstorm/empty the warrens. Black is not the only colour with answers to it. Red actually has multiple different answers to it, including the fairly common sideboard piece, Fiery Cannonade, and LCI just gave us Tectonic Hazard. They pump out damage to the board to kill a bunch of small creatures.
At 6UU, it's still getting played, and likely overplayed. Dig Through Time costs the exact same mana and was ban worthy in multiple formats as well.
Disagree about what makes cranial plating broken. The instant equip ability is way less important than you might think; it's expensive and heavy in a color that many affinity decks don't even play (especially without disciple). It's everything else about plating that is undercosted and the fact that it's an artifact makes it so so much better than all that glitters. With plating on board every single free jerk is a must answer threat. With all that glitters if you answer the creature you've dealt with the threat entirely.
MTGO being pronounced "MTG GO" was interesting.
MTGO was made when something being online was novel, so there wasn't really much put into the branding.
That's the least of his mispronunciations. At least we can be certain he isn't an AI narrator because of the frequent mispronunciations of common English words.
@@Darxide23 I've heard enough TTS programs mispronounce words. You're never safe.
All that glitters opens you up for a 2 for 1 against a removal while plating sits on the field. Hard to unbann eaven with no istant speed equip
I think that theoretically the downside of Frantic Search is that while it's mana neutral it puts you behind on card advantage, since you play it and discard two cards and only draw two. I'm guessing that there's just so many ways to make that not matter so that it's not enough of a downside though.
that + storm cards go crazy with it, and usually you can discard something you dont need. If you have a bounce land or a way to copy the spell you even go mana positive with it
Funnily enough, the artifact lands are not banned in pauper. Maybe because of less synergies with those lands unlike modern.
I really like this versoin of cranial plating!
Treasure cruise might just be the second most powerful card draw spell behind ancestral recall....
Empty the wherens
Wouldn't treasure cruise be fixable by drawing one and having an additional weaker benefit?
I do hate when the whereins get emptied on me
Tnx ❤❤❤ so much for us pauper players
Treasure Cruise might have been fair at 6UU. Definitely fine at 5UUU
Top 10 cards you don't pronounce correctly.
the video I've been waiting for
There's only one place where we can play the coolest commons exclusively. Let's end pauper bans.
#freehymntotourach #freeswiftspear
Broke: helmet
Woke: "Cranial Plating"
are the artifact lands banned in vintage?
For the love of God run the words you have only read but never heard through a pronunciation check. Warren= worr+uhn. Happens so frequently. Normally wouldn't mind but now bunch of people unfamiliar will be mispronouncing.
he does it on purpose or he's an idiot. either way, he doesnt care
You are doing exactly what he wants. Free engagement for the algorithm.
It's war-ins, not wear-ins.
Amazing❤
I'm sorry because this is really nitpickey, but it's pronounced War-ens not Where-ins
He does it on purpose to drive engagement
3:48 nonland artifact?
There's nothing wrong with the design of Treasure Cruise. Wizards designs for standard, where TC was fine.
Storm could be nerfed a bit if it only counted previous spells played with the same color identity.
Ive never played pauper but want to, i was sad to see craneplate on the banlist
Mfw treasure crusie is just better pot of desires
EMPTY THE WERRENS
Do we have confirmation that he purposely mispronounces words for engagement?
Empty the wear wrens.
Bring back red rituals in standard maybe not black ones cause midrange black decks are doing too much already
"Today we'll be discussing the commons only format pauper."
> First card shown in the list isn't the common rarity printing of the card, thus immediately causing visual confusion why we're discussing an Uncommon in the "Common Only" format, and it's shift in rarity is never mentioned at any point.
Off to a good start.
eh it's still a common even if the visual is different.
@@jadedheartszit is still a common, but he could taken the extra 10 seconds per card to find a black expansion symbol printing of the card. Its an "attention to detail" thing that probably won't matter, but when you're talking about pauper, it's worth doing. All the cards seem to be most-recent printings, and it's kinda weird seeing Commander or Masters symbols on cards when he's talking about Khans set, etc.
@@LibertyMonk Exactly, it's a quality thing, he's trying to be kinda funny by intentionally mispronouncing words which is irritating in itself because he's obviously intentionally doing it to farm comments correcting him, and then he doesn't take the time to find appropriate card printings for visuals, doesn't mention rarity changes, etc... he tries to make the video at least somewhat professional but then he does a lot of unprofessional things. Kind of hurts my desire to continue to watch his videos because he clearly doesn't care about them either.
Funnily his card art guy have screwed up several times before, even back in ygo
Instead of cards, do a top 10 CHARACTERS. :))
I am so disturbed that they banned every storm option. Like, i always wanted to play some kind of storm, i mean, a normal storm, not graveyard one.
And now like the only format I can play it is Modern. And no one in my club plays it. And i am not even talking about the cost of a deck. Like, I hate this. From my perspective it's unfair.
Never say warrens again.
Pretty much at least once a video I cringe when u mispronounce words. War-rens, not Wear-rens or Were-rens or Where-rens. We have google that can tell u how to pronounce words, please use it.
😂
What about uno MOO, the entire game is a BUG
You pronounce warrens wrong.
I think Treasure Cruise could be fixed if you make it cost 2 blue mana and give it an extra cost where you also have to discard a card for each card you Delve from the graveyard.
At that point, also make it cost 10 life, sacrifice a creature, and punch you in the nuts
I think just making it two blue and six or seven generic would be enough.
@@dancingmathusalem5451 k troll
@@jadedheartszHe has a point. Discarding a card for every card you delve basically makes the card useless.
@@xXSamir44Xx how about just one or two cards?
Why was Cranial Plating banned, you ask? Well, clearly its an uncommon...
pauper players are wimps that can't handle storm
Storm is just a mechanic made for ppl that can’t really play the game and so need to use a deck that doesn’t interact.
“Ritual ritual ritual storm” very difficult lol