Hi there Lake, I use red line 20/50 motorcycle oil, Im very happy with it in my 2002 Road King with extensive upgrades . I was going to ask you to do an episode on oils for Harley Davidson engines. Thank You, Michael Macierowski.
I will tell you one I am a fan of and is safe because it is a pure PAO based stock 4 oil. It is Marvel Mystery Oil Synthetic. Mild cleaning properties, increases oxidation resistance, etc.
Just sent you both a new and used sample of Kirkland Signature. Really curious to see the numbers. Messed up a bit- i had Liqui Moly MoS2 and magnetic drain plug this time. Next time will be 'clean' sample.
@@blackrifle6736 If there are metal bits captured by the magnet that means they are not in the results of the oil analysis, throwing off whatever results were generated.
@@themotoroilgeek it would be very interesting to talk about how additives work and what molecular form they use. for example when speaking of Boron as a friction modifier, it is never specified what type of Boron it is, whether hexagonal boron nitride or boric acid or a mixture of the two types and what difference is there for example respect to the use of molybdenum ... the same for TBN additives such as calcium and magnesium ...
@@edogsx we will get to some higher level videos breaking down the differences between the various additives and base oils. We are going to have some fun here!
Lake, Spare eng sitting in the trailer....Is it true that the new oil in the pan can go bad if it sits (lets say a couple of years) even though the eng has never been fired and is sealed?
Smart people who have common sense prefill their oil filters. There is a recent youtube vid from lake speed jr who scientifically tests and measures the amount of wear on a dyno engine that was started with a prefilled filter then with a dry filter. The oil analysis tests confirm conclusively that non pre-filled filters cause substantially more wear to the engine, particularly rod bearing wear which was extensive. Its hard to dispute the results of highly scientific tests when the only variables are pre-filled and non pre-filled oil filters. The facts pretty much speak for themselves without adding old farmers tales passed down from a persons grandpappy
Can I ask or is there any video from you about additives added to oil? I usually don't add anything so as not to lose my license but many people say adding it is better, thank you.
Thanks for the great information! My question is does motor oil have a shelf life? Before and after opening? I understand the API codes and how it would be very bad using an oil from the 50s on a modern engine. Thank you!
You probably get this question all the time. What's the best thing to put in the cylinders of an engine that has not been run for years, maybe decades before trying to turn it over?
ok Lake.... tell us...running a 2.5 to 3 thousandths rod and main clearance on a sbf racing engine with chevy 2.10 rod and a 2.7 main.........what viscosity should we run? ill say 12.5 to 1 comp. 7500 rpm. 700hp. should we stick with the mob 1 15/50 syn, or should we go thinner? how important is the additive package for us? WHat about MOREL roller lifters? (Many-many roller lifter oems state DO NOT run syn oil) All the best......thanks!
@@harryharry3193 I'd go with the 15W-40 Driven GP-1, which is a semi-synthetic. It was designed for street/track applications just like yours. Drag race, right?
@@harryharry3193 yes, for those bearing clearances and a wet sump system with no oil cooler, the oil will be 260F just after a 30 minute drive to the track. As such, the 15W-40 is what will provide great bearing protection without robbing a ton of HP.
ok here is the BIG QUESTION i have a 30 over 351w stock standerd bearings and its turbo with forged internials , all bearing clearences are STOCK what would be the best oil and weight would YOU think i should run, thank you so much for your videos they are awsome. also i run about 170/180 temp , street beast machine. 22lbs of boost i run . roller cam
Thanks for the comment and question. Go with the Driven GP-1 15W-40. We use that oil in our Procharged LS for the Engine Performance Expo, which makes 1,300 HP.
Wide viscosity range oil vs smalerl viscosity range? my manual says I can run 229.5, 223.5 in 0-40, 5-40, or 5-30 comparing the specs sheets from Moble 1 for the Europen 0-40,5-40,5-30 (all meet 229.5 and 223.5) Question: For outside temp above 60 degrees. An oil with a wider larger span like 0-40 vs 5-30 what should I know about that oil? will one give me better fuel eco and more wear or ? (I think my engine runs when hot about the same temp regardless of the outside air temp or I think in theory it should. So the thought is the high number should not matter? The high temp on my oil being if I shut down with the turbo hot and not let it cool down after driving hard.) Why would I be told from Moble 1 customer service that I "would get better gas mi/ less engine resitance with 5-30" but when asked about understanding the spec from their web page got 'follow the cars manual"?. All 3 oils being acceptable in the manual. In specs from mobile 1 gives Grade, Pour Point, Fash Point, Kinematic Viscosity@ 100 C and Kinematic Viscosity @ 40 C, Density, what should I know about the specs or does it not matter and just change that oil every 3k and not the 15k per book?
Hello! The channel is very good and I get ideas for my videos here in Bulgaria. Thanks for doing what you do, bro! Now I seek somebody who can do professional test of motor oil (I sell very very good one), and then to do a review of the oil. I want to make a video on that, because all people here in my country say "we want a test, then we will trust you" Do you think you can help me with this?
@@jimmyhercey3608 We sell oil analysis kits. The lab runs the tests that I specify. I take the test data, review it and provide you with the report. Our website is www.SPEEDiagnostix.com
Thanks for the question. In my experience, any solid particle additive in the oil increases wear in the long term. The best wear protection additives react chemically with the surface to create a thin, sacrificial film. In my testing, the solid particles increase abrasive wear over time. We have some independent research going right now, so we hope to have a video on this subject early next year.
@@themotoroilgeek cool thanks for responding the reason I ask is some of the oil treatments on the market have this hexagonal boron nitrate as the micro metal filler it does withstand extreme temperatures but most of the manufacturers of such products keep the msd information secret I think this is this nano ceramic stuff on the market
@@themotoroilgeek during lock down I was online and went down a rabbit hole of lubrican information and found a few articles of hbn as a oil lubricant and the study results were positive but how certain particles and different metals react together under heat and pressure is way above my pay grade 😂 I know oil manufacturing is a business and marketing is important for sales I guess as consumers we need your skills to help us along the way its the additive package in the oils that help protect but why do they vary in amounts of said ingredients I mean if they find the perfect formula for engine protection why change it or is it an ongoing science of results and engine variables and emission standards
@@jonschwartz9669 Ahh, yes! Oil chemistry and how things interact is highly complex, and things do change because of emissions and fuel economy mandates. As such, it is an ever evolving balancing act, and that is the key perspective. Oil performance is about the balance between the base oils and all the individual additives. It is not a sum of the parts. It is the synergies amongst the components. That's one of the reasons for starting this channel - to go beyond the marketing and "backyard science" and get to the real stuff.
Got a question for you about my build and what oil weight I was to use. I have 6.0 with high lift cam and ls7 lifters and the other basic mods to go with that. Engine builder was adamant about 10w40 conventional only, no synth oil! He claims synth oil causes wear in the valve train and he has no issue with it, only issues with synth oil. What have you noticed when using Driven oil with engines like this ?
The problem is not with the oil being synthetic or conventional. Valvetrain wear is primarily about the additive package. I’ve seen great results with the synthetic blend GP-1 oils. In fact, the lowest valvetrain wear I’ve seen is with the GP-1 oils.
@@g8gtatlman483 Viscosity is all about bearing clearances and operating temperatures. With that said, the 10W-30 will work well in a street driven LS7 as long as the bearing clearances are stock.
My 2011 f150 5.0 had 130,000 miles on it now. About 2 years ago I started using Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas. I'm a big fan of it. The last 3 oil changes I've been adding a little MMO in the oil 1,000 miles before the oil change. What's your opinion on that stuff?
IF you can't just keep your dick skinners off your car's start switch, at the very least allow it reach operating temperature. In a previous life I was a maintenance manager responsible for equipment that operated normally with electric motors, but each electric motor had 2 internal combustion backups that were required by ANSI standards to be started weekly at a minimum. The only measure that kept us from changing the oil almost monthly, was to ensure the motor got up to operating temperature any time it was started.
I wonder if they're talking about this guy on the bob is the oil guy forum.
LOL, probably so…
I've been a member of BITOG for a long time. The more I read on there the less I know it seems.
Hi there Lake, I use red line 20/50 motorcycle oil, Im very happy with it in my 2002 Road King with extensive upgrades . I was going to ask you to do an episode on oils for Harley Davidson engines. Thank You, Michael Macierowski.
I'd love to see a video about aftermarket oil additives. Are they worth it? Do they help? Or can they harm your engine?
I will tell you one I am a fan of and is safe because it is a pure PAO based stock 4 oil. It is Marvel Mystery Oil Synthetic. Mild cleaning properties, increases oxidation resistance, etc.
Looking more forward to future videos.
Thanks!
Just sent you both a new and used sample of Kirkland Signature. Really curious to see the numbers. Messed up a bit- i had Liqui Moly MoS2 and magnetic drain plug this time. Next time will be 'clean' sample.
Thanks!
*You didn't screw-up. Be confident what your magnet captured is removed from circulation therefore not a threat to engine's health.*
@@blackrifle6736 If there are metal bits captured by the magnet that means they are not in the results of the oil analysis, throwing off whatever results were generated.
Can you do an analysis on amsoil signature series? I’m interested in your opinion on the additive packages. Thanks.
Great suggestion!
Please, do a video explaining about the oil that goes into wet belt engines, tks...
Great channel!!!
Thank you! Much more to come.
@@themotoroilgeek it would be very interesting to talk about how additives work and what molecular form they use.
for example when speaking of Boron as a friction modifier, it is never specified what type of Boron it is, whether hexagonal boron nitride or boric acid or a mixture of the two types and what difference is there for example respect to the use of molybdenum ...
the same for TBN additives such as calcium and magnesium ...
@@edogsx we will get to some higher level videos breaking down the differences between the various additives and base oils. We are going to have some fun here!
To get started with used oil analysis, please visit www.SPEEDiagnostix.com
Lake, Spare eng sitting in the trailer....Is it true that the new oil in the pan can go bad if it sits (lets say a couple of years) even though the eng has never been fired and is sealed?
I’ve never heard or experienced that. In fact, we just ran my dad’s old motor that had been sitting for nearly 20 years - no leaks.
Smart people who have common sense prefill their oil filters. There is a recent youtube vid from lake speed jr who scientifically tests and measures the amount of wear on a dyno engine that was started with a prefilled filter then with a dry filter. The oil analysis tests confirm conclusively that non pre-filled filters cause substantially more wear to the engine, particularly rod bearing wear which was extensive. Its hard to dispute the results of highly scientific tests when the only variables are pre-filled and non pre-filled oil filters. The facts pretty much speak for themselves without adding old farmers tales passed down from a persons grandpappy
Thanks!
Have you compared Mobil 1 supercar 0-40 vrs other oils
I changed it at 650 miles but drain it cold oops but I change it again at 1500 miles warm.
Can I ask or is there any video from you about additives added to oil? I usually don't add anything so as not to lose my license but many people say adding it is better, thank you.
We are going to do a video on additives. Until then, I don't recommend using additives.
@@themotoroilgeek ok sir
Thanks for the great information!
My question is does motor oil have a shelf life? Before and after opening?
I understand the API codes and how it would be very bad using an oil from the 50s on a modern engine.
Thank you!
I have a 2024 Camaro 6.2L it recommended 0-40 I’m using 0-40 supercar oil from Mobil 1 is this a good oil or would you recommend a best oil for my car
You probably get this question all the time. What's the best thing to put in the cylinders of an engine that has not been run for years, maybe decades before trying to turn it over?
Do you have a SS of oil you have analyzed and which ones last the longest before breaking down? Thanks.
ok Lake....
tell us...running a 2.5 to 3 thousandths rod and main clearance on a sbf racing engine with chevy 2.10 rod and a 2.7 main.........what viscosity should we run?
ill say 12.5 to 1 comp. 7500 rpm. 700hp.
should we stick with the mob 1 15/50 syn, or should we go thinner?
how important is the additive package for us?
WHat about MOREL roller lifters? (Many-many roller lifter oems state DO NOT run syn oil)
All the best......thanks!
Thanks for the question. What is your operating oil temperature? Race only or street/strip? Hydraulic roller or solid roller?
@@themotoroilgeek solid roller. 670 net lift. street---drive to race track.. unsure of oil temp.....but its a wet sump -no cooler.......
@@harryharry3193 I'd go with the 15W-40 Driven GP-1, which is a semi-synthetic. It was designed for street/track applications just like yours. Drag race, right?
@@themotoroilgeek yes drag race.
Why is such a thick , high viscosity important?
@@harryharry3193 yes, for those bearing clearances and a wet sump system with no oil cooler, the oil will be 260F just after a 30 minute drive to the track.
As such, the 15W-40 is what will provide great bearing protection without robbing a ton of HP.
ok here is the BIG QUESTION i have a 30 over 351w stock standerd bearings and its turbo with forged internials , all bearing clearences are STOCK what would be the best oil and weight would YOU think i should run, thank you so much for your videos they are awsome. also i run about 170/180 temp , street beast machine. 22lbs of boost i run . roller cam
Thanks for the comment and question. Go with the Driven GP-1 15W-40. We use that oil in our Procharged LS for the Engine Performance Expo, which makes 1,300 HP.
Wide viscosity range oil vs smalerl viscosity range?
my manual says I can run 229.5, 223.5 in 0-40, 5-40, or 5-30
comparing the specs sheets from Moble 1 for the Europen 0-40,5-40,5-30 (all meet 229.5 and 223.5)
Question: For outside temp above 60 degrees. An oil with a wider larger span like 0-40 vs 5-30 what should I know about that oil? will one give me better fuel eco and more wear or ? (I think my engine runs when hot about the same temp regardless of the outside air temp or I think in theory it should. So the thought is the high number should not matter? The high temp on my oil being if I shut down with the turbo hot and not let it cool down after driving hard.) Why would I be told from Moble 1 customer service that I "would get better gas mi/ less engine resitance with 5-30" but when asked about understanding the spec from their web page got 'follow the cars manual"?. All 3 oils being acceptable in the manual.
In specs from mobile 1 gives
Grade, Pour Point, Fash Point, Kinematic Viscosity@ 100 C and Kinematic Viscosity @ 40 C, Density,
what should I know about the specs or does it not matter and just change that oil every 3k and not the 15k per book?
does the report tell you recommended oil change interview like Blackstone Labs?
*As a Blackstone client since their founding, noticed that your excellent question remains unanswered. No answer is still an answer...*
Wow! So. Where can we send our samples? 3:45
www.speediagnostix.com
Hello! The channel is very good and I get ideas for my videos here in Bulgaria. Thanks for doing what you do, bro!
Now I seek somebody who can do professional test of motor oil (I sell very very good one), and then to do a review of the oil. I want to make a video on that, because all people here in my country say "we want a test, then we will trust you"
Do you think you can help me with this?
Lake, i am here in the Charlotte Area. I use Amsoil signature series in my SUV. Do you do the lab testing?
Thanks for the question. The lab is in Ohio. I do the analysis.
@@themotoroilgeek awesome thanks! I love to meet you sometime. Could I get the website for the lab? I have used oil analyzers with Amsoil.
@@jimmyhercey3608 We sell oil analysis kits. The lab runs the tests that I specify. I take the test data, review it and provide you with the report. Our website is www.SPEEDiagnostix.com
You should do one on super tech/Walmart oil.
Great suggestion!
Good content what are you thoughts on hexagonal boron nitrate as a oil lubricant
Thanks for the question. In my experience, any solid particle additive in the oil increases wear in the long term. The best wear protection additives react chemically with the surface to create a thin, sacrificial film. In my testing, the solid particles increase abrasive wear over time. We have some independent research going right now, so we hope to have a video on this subject early next year.
@@themotoroilgeek cool thanks for responding the reason I ask is some of the oil treatments on the market have this hexagonal boron nitrate as the micro metal filler it does withstand extreme temperatures but most of the manufacturers of such products keep the msd information secret I think this is this nano ceramic stuff on the market
@@jonschwartz9669 I'd agree that products marketed as Nano Ceramics are likely HBN.
@@themotoroilgeek during lock down I was online and went down a rabbit hole of lubrican information and found a few articles of hbn as a oil lubricant and the study results were positive but how certain particles and different metals react together under heat and pressure is way above my pay grade 😂 I know oil manufacturing is a business and marketing is important for sales I guess as consumers we need your skills to help us along the way its the additive package in the oils that help protect but why do they vary in amounts of said ingredients I mean if they find the perfect formula for engine protection why change it or is it an ongoing science of results and engine variables and emission standards
@@jonschwartz9669 Ahh, yes! Oil chemistry and how things interact is highly complex, and things do change because of emissions and fuel economy mandates. As such, it is an ever evolving balancing act, and that is the key perspective. Oil performance is about the balance between the base oils and all the individual additives. It is not a sum of the parts. It is the synergies amongst the components.
That's one of the reasons for starting this channel - to go beyond the marketing and "backyard science" and get to the real stuff.
Can you use car oil in a Harley Davidson motorcycle. And is there really a difference.
Why Don't you do a test on CVT Transmission fluid ?
We are!
Got a question for you about my build and what oil weight I was to use. I have 6.0 with high lift cam and ls7 lifters and the other basic mods to go with that. Engine builder was adamant about 10w40 conventional only, no synth oil! He claims synth oil causes wear in the valve train and he has no issue with it, only issues with synth oil. What have you noticed when using Driven oil with engines like this ?
The problem is not with the oil being synthetic or conventional. Valvetrain wear is primarily about the additive package. I’ve seen great results with the synthetic blend GP-1 oils. In fact, the lowest valvetrain wear I’ve seen is with the GP-1 oils.
@@themotoroilgeek I thought as much. Which viscosity do you recommend for GP-1 oils ?
@@g8gtatlman483 Viscosity is all about bearing clearances and operating temperatures. With that said, the 10W-30 will work well in a street driven LS7 as long as the bearing clearances are stock.
Is it safe to add LIQUIMOLY anti friction Mos² Moly in a Benz AMG c43 with 0w-40 Mobil??
I never recommend adding an additive to a motor oil.
And doesn’t gm break in there high performance motors 6.2L motors before they put in there Camaro’s and corvette’s??
Just found your Speed Diagnostics oil sample page, is this your business? I may switch from the other oil analysis company
Yes, it is!
My 2011 f150 5.0 had 130,000 miles on it now. About 2 years ago I started using Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas. I'm a big fan of it. The last 3 oil changes I've been adding a little MMO in the oil 1,000 miles before the oil change. What's your opinion on that stuff?
Is there anything different from your oil analysis to black stones?
Yes, check out our website for the details.
IF you can't just keep your dick skinners off your car's start switch, at the very least allow it reach operating temperature. In a previous life I was a maintenance manager responsible for equipment that operated normally with electric motors, but each electric motor had 2 internal combustion backups that were required by ANSI standards to be started weekly at a minimum. The only measure that kept us from changing the oil almost monthly, was to ensure the motor got up to operating temperature any time it was started.
How much does testing cost?
$69.95 for everything (including the shipping to you, to the lab and all the testing).
Please check out BG MOA & let us know if it's worth using in engine oil. I'm literally binge watching your Channel 😂. Amazing information
Thanks for watching! We have a whole video just about additives in the works!