Thanks! Yeah its pretty interesting yo see what happens when they're let loose. Its a bit more common to see this kind of thing in industrial oils where there are fewer constraints.
It's like when someone would test Amsoil on a standard oil analysis report and it would show nothing special with traditional additives compared to shelf-brand oils, but it did 0 analysis on the actual composition of the oil beyond that so they would say... "There is nothing special about that oil". But if you look at the performance in actual engines compared to competition oils it would also perform in superior ways. The problem is the typical tests being done showing additives aren't telling the whole story. So much more in that oil versus the competition. For years I would argue this point and I was told I was crazy and that I was just over paying for the same oil I could get from a shelf-oil, yet I would see real world performance that would be far better. Superior cleanliness in engines and superior wear rates. I knew the truth. This is the same type of story! The tests they were using didn't show the whole composition to the oil so it looked the same as everything else out there on the shelf when it isn't.
Yes exactly, i have seen oils with better looking additive packs do worse. You could almost say the more robust additive pack was used to make up for a weak base oil.
Its pretty cool to see this kind of innovation in our little corner of the world (the lubricants industry). I'm looking forward to seeing some more testing come out of it.
@@LubricationExplained if this were to become mainstream, you reckon they will punch through all grades of oil or just mixed in with the expensive base oils?
Cant wait for the final product and if these come in an Xw40 weight. I have three diesel cars to test the oil with in theory if this oil becomes available to the consumer market and comes in suitable viscosities. A 17 year old Volvo V70 with the D5244T engine ( I would need the oil as a 40 weight for this engine, its a Diesel developed over 20 years ago it does not like 30 weight) A new BMW 5 Series with a 286hp B57. A Renault K9K engine in a Mercedes Citan.
Slightly unrelated question but, when manufacturers list their ppm of antiwear additives and they list both zinc and phosphorus, is adding both the phosphorus and zinc numbers together equal total zddp or is that incorrect? How in general do we tell how robust one additive package is to another?
Could you please advise me? I have a question regarding engine oil analysis. If I go drive on a track day and send my oil for analysis by looking at what properties I would know that it has overheated?
Good question. Most engine oils use the detergency of the oil to deal with a lot of that. My guess would be that there's some kind of neutral detergent in the formulation.
Salut ma bucur enorm ca este cineva care explică corect chiar dacă nu înțeleg engleză ,Vreau sa precizez că formula noua este mult mai slaba de cea veche teste test făcut pe mașină nu il laboratoare, vreau sa urmărești cu atentie o norma de ulei de 50000km exact cu aditiv zinc ,calcium ,phosphorous cu tbn intre 10.2 si 12.0 este vorba de 0w3 ATENȚIE VOLKSWAGEN Norm 503.00/506.00 506.01 cu un ACEA A5/B5 cel mai bun pana la 50000km ANI 2000 IN SUS model nou este 0w30 cu specificatia 506.01 care este mult mai slab fără specificație acea A5/B5 eu caut foarte mult produse vechii chiar daca au 10 ani sunt indentice si mai este o norma care am asa ceva cu foarte mult zinc grupa V full sintetic care nu mai este pe piata tot 0w30 30000km special pentru motorizarile benzina audi TT VOLKSWAGEN 503.00 ACEA A3/B4 AN 2000,DIN PUNCTUL DUMNEAVOASTRĂ DE VEDERE VARIANTA NOU CUM VI SE PARE MULȚUMESC
Wouldn't the two viscosities be expected to be roughly the same at engine operating temperatures anyway? They should only vary at colder temperatures right?
Copper oleate? Tin oleate performs even better on the 4 ball tester. Why was one metal soap chosen over another? Why not lead fat, an antiwear additive predating ZDDP? And I do wish you lubricants influencers would speak less on elements and more on molecules.
Great comments. So firstly on the discussion of elements rather than molecules - its generally because oil analysis will only give you elements. We can guess at what molecules are being used, but they would only be guesses. In this instance, the Boron could be a borated ester, boron dispersant or a number of other molecules. Copper oleates, Copper DDPs and Copper PIBSAs both show up in papers as anti-wear additives. This is where companies get very careful about protecting IP. If I had to guess, lead fat isn't used because lead fell out of fashion a while back given the toxicity concerns. Same reasons why chlorinated paraffins and barium greases have mostly gone the way of the dodo. I've not seen much on Tin Oleates, but if caution from drawing too much info from a 4-ball test. It doesn't always translate very well to real world performance.
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Great video as usual. I’m always impressed how creative chemists can be formulating new additives and having new ideas.
Thanks! Yeah its pretty interesting yo see what happens when they're let loose. Its a bit more common to see this kind of thing in industrial oils where there are fewer constraints.
0:31... At this point you're thinking 'Snake oil'... But then you mentioned the copper 😁
Thanks for another great video!
It's like when someone would test Amsoil on a standard oil analysis report and it would show nothing special with traditional additives compared to shelf-brand oils, but it did 0 analysis on the actual composition of the oil beyond that so they would say... "There is nothing special about that oil". But if you look at the performance in actual engines compared to competition oils it would also perform in superior ways. The problem is the typical tests being done showing additives aren't telling the whole story. So much more in that oil versus the competition. For years I would argue this point and I was told I was crazy and that I was just over paying for the same oil I could get from a shelf-oil, yet I would see real world performance that would be far better. Superior cleanliness in engines and superior wear rates. I knew the truth. This is the same type of story! The tests they were using didn't show the whole composition to the oil so it looked the same as everything else out there on the shelf when it isn't.
Yes exactly, i have seen oils with better looking additive packs do worse. You could almost say the more robust additive pack was used to make up for a weak base oil.
So excited for this new stuff, sounds great!
Its pretty cool to see this kind of innovation in our little corner of the world (the lubricants industry). I'm looking forward to seeing some more testing come out of it.
@@LubricationExplained if this were to become mainstream, you reckon they will punch through all grades of oil or just mixed in with the expensive base oils?
Very interesting! What about the copper level rising in the 0W-30 tested?
Could you make video about nitration in diesel engine?
Cant wait for the final product and if these come in an Xw40 weight. I have three diesel cars to test the oil with in theory if this oil becomes available to the consumer market and comes in suitable viscosities.
A 17 year old Volvo V70 with the D5244T engine ( I would need the oil as a 40 weight for this engine, its a Diesel developed over 20 years ago it does not like 30 weight)
A new BMW 5 Series with a 286hp B57.
A Renault K9K engine in a Mercedes Citan.
Interesting so far, keep the info coming
Slightly unrelated question but, when manufacturers list their ppm of antiwear additives and they list both zinc and phosphorus, is adding both the phosphorus and zinc numbers together equal total zddp or is that incorrect? How in general do we tell how robust one additive package is to another?
Could you please advise me?
I have a question regarding engine oil analysis. If I go drive on a track day and send my oil for analysis by looking at what properties I would know that it has overheated?
Jack Zakarian help with VI ? 0W have more viscosity additive?
New history engine oil ! :D
How they are dealing with corrosion? It's obvious that the oil is chemically "friendly" with water.
Good question. Most engine oils use the detergency of the oil to deal with a lot of that. My guess would be that there's some kind of neutral detergent in the formulation.
Great video!!!
Thanks!!
Salut ma bucur enorm ca este cineva care explică corect chiar dacă nu înțeleg engleză ,Vreau sa precizez că formula noua este mult mai slaba de cea veche teste test făcut pe mașină nu il laboratoare, vreau sa urmărești cu atentie o norma de ulei de 50000km exact cu aditiv zinc ,calcium ,phosphorous cu tbn intre 10.2 si 12.0 este vorba de 0w3 ATENȚIE VOLKSWAGEN Norm 503.00/506.00 506.01 cu un ACEA A5/B5 cel mai bun pana la 50000km ANI 2000 IN SUS model nou este 0w30 cu specificatia 506.01 care este mult mai slab fără specificație acea A5/B5 eu caut foarte mult produse vechii chiar daca au 10 ani sunt indentice si mai este o norma care am asa ceva cu foarte mult zinc grupa V full sintetic care nu mai este pe piata tot 0w30 30000km special pentru motorizarile benzina audi TT VOLKSWAGEN 503.00 ACEA A3/B4 AN 2000,DIN PUNCTUL DUMNEAVOASTRĂ DE VEDERE VARIANTA NOU CUM VI SE PARE MULȚUMESC
Wouldn't the two viscosities be expected to be roughly the same at engine operating temperatures anyway? They should only vary at colder temperatures right?
How do they plan on protecting from valve recession ?
Neat. 👍
Thanks!
Copper oleate? Tin oleate performs even better on the 4 ball tester. Why was one metal soap chosen over another? Why not lead fat, an antiwear additive predating ZDDP? And I do wish you lubricants influencers would speak less on elements and more on molecules.
Great comments. So firstly on the discussion of elements rather than molecules - its generally because oil analysis will only give you elements. We can guess at what molecules are being used, but they would only be guesses. In this instance, the Boron could be a borated ester, boron dispersant or a number of other molecules. Copper oleates, Copper DDPs and Copper PIBSAs both show up in papers as anti-wear additives. This is where companies get very careful about protecting IP.
If I had to guess, lead fat isn't used because lead fell out of fashion a while back given the toxicity concerns. Same reasons why chlorinated paraffins and barium greases have mostly gone the way of the dodo.
I've not seen much on Tin Oleates, but if caution from drawing too much info from a 4-ball test. It doesn't always translate very well to real world performance.
do you think using lead is good for emissions?
Valvoline Specifique' Diesel Cummins !!!!!!!!!!!
Should be using break-in Oil.
Probably a good suggestion. Unfortunately time in those test rigs is really expensive, so I think that stepsas mainly cut out for cost reasons.
why? Most race teams just throw a new engine in if the old one broke for whatever reason and run it wot without a second of a thought.
Is this a russian company or a russian outfit?
The company is called Neol Copper Technologies. The technology itself has roots in Russia, but the company is from the UK.
the oil has a way low IV value, i dont put anything under 175 in my cars
Россия вперёд🎉 катаю медь уже год😅
Oh what grade are you using?? And is this in a personal vehicle or commercial?