100% agree. Being "in shape" to ride these is super important. I enjoy mine in part because of the way I have to ride it. Its not a lazy brain machine.
This is really an excellent video that explains some vital information to newer riders. I am and old rider and my son is in his second year of riding, we just purchased a 2024 zx6r which has a very aggressive riding position. He started last year with a CBR250 and very quickly outgrew it, then got him a 2023 Ninja 400, outgrew that fairly quickly as well and took over my VFR800 Interceptor which is more of a super sport cruiser. Then we got this zx6r and that riding position caused him to lean way too much on the handle bar and I warned him about how too much grip and weight dramatically increases the chance of the infamous death wobble and that is exactly what he got getting on a freeway on ramp hammering it to 80mph. He ended up crossing 3 lanes with no control and was lucky it was a Sunday with no traffic and was able to recover before going off road, I drilled this into his head, if you get the death wobble aka tank slapper, loosen you grip and let the bike fix it self letting off the throttle. Using your handle bar to hold your self up or to grip it tightly during hard acceleration will only assure you that you will experience a tank slapper and that causes the vast majority of accidents because people panic by holding the bar even tighter.
only 1 YEAR on a 300?!?! your son needed a minimum of 2-3 years on a 300/400cc to properly dial in his body positioning skills and corner entry. simply riding from point A to B and being comfortable with the bike doesn't mean he was ready for a 600. i've been riding my R3 for 3 years and still have tons to learn on body positioning. now he still has the skills of a 300cc rider, but with triple the horsepower. not a good combination
@@kushpaladin No, he has not been one year on a 300. He started on a CBR250 and outgrew it very fast, switched to a Ninja 400 and within a month took over my VFR800 interceprtor and put on about 8k miles on that and he is actually quite good on it. He decided to get a 2024 zx6r and it is not as powerful or fast as my VFR800 but does have a more aggressive seating position. Because of that seating position, young riders learn real quick that putting weight on the handlebar causes tank slappers, that my point and that this video clearly points out.
you know that people learn differently and not everybody is you, right? my buddy started on a R6, quite an aggressive rider but still no crashes, no dumb shit done or any close calls after 5 years of constant riding@@kushpaladin
outgrew/outgrow is the most absurd excuse i read on motorcycle discussion - not talking about you or your son specifically. a lot say they outgrow a bike when all they learned was how to get it moving. Those same people never really cared about the details and actually learn skills and all they really wanted was a faster bike. i mean it's ok to want a faster bike, just don't make the excuse of 'outgrowing' a bike just to buy the shiny 600/1000 on the lot.
Great video! Well explained.. after not being dead during 50+ years of riding, and owning 47 different motorcycles, I concur with your observations. Having the best brakes, best acceleration, best handling.. makes a motorcycle safer. The riding position demands physical fitness, that is core strength to enable the rider to use correct pressure on the clip-ons for steering, braking, and the all important corect throttle useage. Like a sharp cutting instument, or extremely accurate rifle, a high performance motorcycle does not reward stupidity, lack of knowledge, lack of prep, being out-of-shape, or having an absence of training, on behalf of the operator. We are fortunate that motorcycles arrived historically during an age when invention was rampant; to invent them during this current time of self-parking cars, and hardly a manual transmission in sight, they would never make it to the road-legal stage. For this reason, we must enjoy and revel in our skills as riders, while we have the years to do so, and knowing how to ride a proper machine rather than riding a toilet or a sofa, that can outmaneuver traffic, is a skillset to enjoy 🤗
Just bought my first supersport after cruiser and naked, this video is a really good advice, will certainly take these words with me on every ride. Thank you good sir and keep spreading the knoweledge youve got
My biggest hurdle coming from a ninja 250 to a zx6r was the ergonomics. I still remember my first ride out of the dealership, it was the most awkward first impression of riding a Supersport. It almost felt like relearning how to ride, and it took me a solid month or so to begin to get accustomed to the ergonomics. Thankfully I was interested in track riding and the fundamentals which got me to read/watch stuff about proper body positioning, and the "science" about the design, function, purpose of these sportbikes. Like recommendating MSF for newbies, people need to consider doing the same with suggesting people that want to jump on a sportbike to research or get guidance on body positioning, because of its ergonomics and the correlation to rider inputs and how the bike reacts. Its surprising that this doesn't get brought up as much as the other concerns with sportbikes and or new riders wanting to get into these bikes.
Your videos have been super informative and easy to understand. I've been riding for a month on a cbr600rr and have been using your tips to help me out. Please keep doing this sort of content.
Thank you for the explanation on this topic. I was really following along and the video suddenly cut out. Even on an R3 everything you said applies. I notice squeezing the tank makes a huge difference. Just got to work on my core.
Great vid, I’m 61 & ride a 2014 GSX-R 750 & I find that sitting further back on the seat & gripping the tank hard along with bent arms & relaxed grip works best for me on the streets & track. If I sit up on the tank I put too much weight on the bars for some reason, I don’t know why, maybe because I have long arms and legs. I don’t find these bikes too uncomfortable as you just have to ride them a lot and you will get comfortable to a point. Just found your channel new sub here from Philadelphia, stay safe out there!
62 yo here and I ride an H2. Not quite as radical a position as my GSXR1000 but the same applies. If you can't sustain a strong position with your knees and feet, with virtually no pressure on the bars, then keep practicing. The bike is always far more capable than you are; just let it do its thing.
62, down here, ride a Z900. I had some doubt, some time ago, if my back would get worse, riding naked bikes. Actually, I think a correct pilot positioning strenghs your core muscles, as you dont load your arms while riding. Of course, naked bikes doesnt have a superbike, positon, but the idea is the same.
Yeah I am 51 and tended to put too much weight on my arms and wrists on my R1. They even got a little sore and my hands have tingled a bunch of times. I started putting these tips into practice just to fix that. It is great to see a video that also connects it to actual safety.
Thank you! I just recently started riding again after being away for 15 yrs and I feel completely inexperienced and rusty and needed to see this today! I’ve been riding all wrong.
look up 'motojitsu riding position' on youtube as well, he has really good demonstrations of position especially the sportbike videos especially the one called 'BODY POSITION For Sport Bikes'
It also helps if you get tank grips. For those that don’t know, they sell rubberized pads that you can put on the sides of your tank where you squeeze on it with your legs and it will help you from sliding around in the seat. Notice how the tank is shaped.. it’s ergonomic for a reason lol.
I found that getting the position right was soooo useful in breaking that lean angle limitation, which made my driving unsafe! I noticed that I had a tendency to tension up and straighten my arms when entering a corner, so when I was adding in more countersteer on the inside arm, the straightened outside arm would inevitably work against that - felt like I was pushing the bike and nothing happened, which is a very alarming feeling. Had a couple situations as a fairly new rider of running wide (not into the oncoming lane or off piste, but certainly way further out than I intended) on corners/speeds that absolutely shouldn't have caused me to, and going after the cause was absolutely what you described.
Great video! Another thing to add might be the actual angle of steering! On a naked or anything with bars, the angle that you need to apply force is left and right to your shoulders. Its as easy as push or pull. But on a sport bike with clip-ons, you gotta rotate it more, you cant push directly away from you, because that's toward the ground and very far off the axis that the steering column wants to move. Its very weird to explain, easier to show, and SUPER IMPORTANT especially when talking about locking your arms!
I love the videos🔥 They're answering questions no one else seems to be. I'm r eally appreciative. Only critique is how abruptly they end... It's almost as if -
Hahaha thanks so much man. I have a tendency to start rambling rather than stating a nice clean conclusion so I've been editing the yap sessions out, I'll work on cleaning those ends up for future videos
man the colour on that gsxr is so pretty. Great vid btw, I'm still a newish rider, starting on a z300, but looking to upgrade to a supersport after a bit (rs660 be looking delicious). I knew the ergos were different but didn't expect it to affect the riding style that much. I'll make sure to keep these tips in mind when I eventually do upgrade
can vouch for the rs660, had a ninja 400 and upgraded to it, its perfect for the city / country riding I do. its a bit tall so maybe try to get in seat on one to make sure you'll be able to keep it standing / move it
Something else with stiff arming the clip ons is if you hit a bump or the tire slips or whatever, you're likely to suddenly jerk the throttle because of the movement. When is the worst time to jerk the throttle? When you're hitting a bump or the tire is sliding.
Your videos are great for all Sport bike riders. I have 20 years of riding experience with Motocross bikes to my R1 superbike. Some Sport bikes are easier to ride then other's depending on the suspension setup, gearing, rider position, bar position and even clutch engagement. My Yamaha FZR1000 was a true Super Bike where you had to work it all the time. This information will help every rider.
thanks for the great info. i just got a 450sr as my first bike a few months ago and have started to hit the twisties and this will really help to improve my riding.
Congrats on being able to lock one of those down they all seem to sell before they hit the lot around me haha. I still haven't had the opportunity to see one in person I'm real curious to test one
Another great video. It's the operator, not the machine. That's why most people should stay way from these bikes. I mentioned that I have a naked on your other video. Eventually, I would like to add a 1000cc supersport. This video will definitely help me a lot when it comes to positioning. Thank you.
Very well translated description of specific application of what is really just good/safe riding fundamentals across the board. Obviously there's nuance amongst the various applications but there's certain cardinal rules involved in any sort of riding/driving at speed. Very good point on tension in arms as well, as I'd argue that in the one accident I've been in (high-side@25mph; dog ran perpendicular into front wheel) didn't require any hospital trip because my body was limp as I hit the ground. Had sprained patellar tendon and 3rd degree burn from where bike pinned same leg. Pressure point in feet is another one that took me by surprise after 3 months not riding I was almost embarrassed how sore my legs were because I keep my posture unless stopped. Glad you're getting information out that keeps us all alive.
I totally agree with you. I am a Yamaha MT03 rider. I also rode my friend's Yamaha R3 ( same engine but it is a supersport not naked) I didnt feel safe, I did not have a moment of relax or chilling and besides I feel like a rookie rider at all on that bike especially in cslow speed city riding. So yeah, high cc engine does not make supersport dangerous, it is the high requirements of ergonomics understanding and riders' skill. Supersports requires much higher level of skill and discipline İmo.
I left the urge for clip-ons and rearsets behind 40 years ago, and now, at nearly 70, my legs don't bend enough to fit on a sports bike. I can go quite fast enough for public roads on my conventional bikes, a 1978 Triumph Bonneville and 1980 GS550, and in comfort.
You are right in saying that no other video explains the importance of pushing off with the balls of your feet on the pegs to counteract inertia. Thanks for this informative video.
I rode a supersport for the first time one week ago after watching this video multiple times and your advice was spot on. Now i understand why the sportbike riders need to stop and stretch so often on a long ride compared to me when i ride my cruiser.
@@skyoom1 I actually was breaking in tires for my first ride and decided to do a 100 mile round trip. I am in relative decent shape and applied your techniques and was able to avoid putting any weight on my wrist for the round trip but decided to visit a friend on the way back and stayed there for about an hour. I didn't realize how fatigued i was until I had to ride home from the friend and my wrist got numb at every stoplight. Definitely wont be riding this when I am tired. Great experience though, I have a 2020 GSXR750 and it cruises where my cruiser tops out. I love it. Keep doing what you doing.
Great video! I have heard often that I am not supposed to hold tight the handlebars with my hands, but no one explained that I am supposed to use my legs to hold onto a bike.
2 for 2. Both videos I've seen from you have been excellent. My inner nerd loves this, especially as someone who rides a Bonneville but has always been interested in super sports
Very well described and I agree with you although the most important factor in my opinion is to ride it "sensible" and within your comfort zone/ability. This is a motorcycle that can do all sorts of performance on the street and track but the common denominator for this to be possible is the rider. Everyone can go fast in a straight line, it does not require much more than keeping it center and roll on the throttle. Where people usually goes wrong myself included when I started riding is to not understand the bike and your own limitations, to make matters worse is when people then panic all the wrong things happen. The rider should be in control not the bike.
I have this discussion with many new riders and/or pillions that have not yet grasped the concept of holding on with your legs and leave your arms free to move. Additionally, with arms straight, you push onto the handlebar from above, if you have a bent ellbow and your forearm perpendicular to the flor, you push against the fork at almost 90 degrees (minus rake angle) and it takes much less force to move the bars. And just to mention, I ride a GSA😁and get a huge difference in handling depending on how I sit on the bike...my R6 from yesteryear was much more sensitive.
After buying my zx6r, i found i needed to but a helmet with higher vision because its so forward. Some people put foam at their forehead to move up their helmets up slightly.
completely agree. also i would like to add that riding a sports bike while gripping the handlebars tight is very tiring and in my opinion almost no one is going to be able to ride like that for long. gripping the fuel tank with legs and pushing on the footpegs with light hands on the handlebars is easier and less tiring.
Great point about arm flexibility affecting agility of turning/steering. I ride a more comfortable Ninja 650, but I can imagine clip ons being lower put a lot more strain on the back and legs to keep those arms loose and not tense. Tense arms on the handlebars can definitely stiffen up agility/steering. Thanks.
got myself a zx6r as a first bike, everything you say is very true! i find i need to go to the gym and train lower back 3 times a week to be able to ride comfortable
Even on my cbr650r I still find myself leaning more forward so my elbows aren't locked 😅😅. It's only been 2 weeks today tho so I'm having patience and seat time to get used to it
As someone whos learning to ride and hoping to obtain the driver's licence soon, I always had a rough time handling the bike and huge pain in my wrists and thumbs. Turns out I don't use my hands to keep position on the bike but rather legs, back and abs. Thank you for explaining that.
Excellent info! I was wondering how people hold on and maneuver one of these high powered bikes b while under acceleration. I rode my friends mt10 and had it in rain mode but easy down on that throttle and bike went from 40 to 65mph in a couple of seconds. You could feel the pull wanted to make you hang on to the handle bars. I was gripping the tank with my knees.
Best explanation I’ve seen. I came the the dirt bike/off-road world so when I got my R6 it was crazy bc I thought I knew how to ride bc I grew up on dirt bikes and cruisers buts a completely different world on a sport bike
Im watching coz I rode Supersport 600's and Superbike 900's for 30 years without an accident but had 4 in my first year owning a 1000cc. I found the 1000 to be a little top heavy and harder to lean spontaneously, it has to ridden more precisely and premeditated. 8:50 Totally, how you are sitting when you ride "no hands", you're gripping the Tank with your knees and pushing on the pegs.👍 That Gixer is so small it looks like a 600. It was available in red/black in the UK. My main bike is 2007 Fireblade, 178kg,178bhp,178mph and it's more comfortable at high speed. I'm glad you said to Viewers these can't be ridden relaxed coz even high in the revs they'll jump out from under you.🤣😂😂❤ING it! Thanks for posting!✊👊✌️
Nice video dude. I ride a 07 CBR 600RR and can agree with just about everything you said however I feel pretty comfortable ergo wise on my bike but I'm also the perfect build for these bikes. Sitting at 5ft 9ish @125lbs it's like they were tailored to me 😅
This is great info. I’ve owned and ridden nothing but Harley’s up until this point but I’m looking in to adding a super sport to have a mixed bag of riding. But what my impression is that from a dead stop it’s easy to wheelie the bike. I can go full throttle on a Harley from a red light and at most you will burn rubber unless you deliberately cause it to wheelie by bouncing and what not. Can you make a video about how to properly give it gas and what to expect when you mash in the throttle without losing control. I’m curious to see it done so people know what to expect.
I seen another one of your videos on super sports and brother you do a GREAT job with sharing common, and not so common information. I love your thoroughness and your exaggerated explanation style 🫡
hey i'm a competent rider on my r6 but that advice on the pegs is new, really helped and might have saved me having an accident. the front was wobbling a lot, probably masked the issue by turning up on stiffness on my stabaliser. thanks, sub'd
Excellent video. Older riders should be aware of ergos and what types of bikes they've been accustomed to. When my last cruiser became a money pit, I became fascinated with the Superduke GT. Test drove one and knew instantly the ergos weren't good for me for long trips but the motor was 😮. Found a Superadventure S and I was sold. Don't get hung up in the battle between aesthetics (ego) and ergos. If you're older and have never ridden a supersport bike, don't start in your late 50s or 60s.
They should make an indoor work out, super sport motorcycle riding simulator, that leans in every axis that you could learn to keep yourself in that proper riding position. It would be nice if it had a correction system based on weight distribution.
Used to be a game where you sat on an rvf750 and ran either the suzuka track or isle of man (i cant remember) You had to counter steer and lean etc. It was good. I thinnk you could choose a kawa 750 too.
Great video, I’ve been riding super sports for around 5 years. I’ve been thinking of changing to a less aggressive ergo. But don’t really understand the pros and cons for safety. Thanks for your insights
Great video! Most people when they sit on a bike like that it's very intuitive. Somehow I unconsciously wanted to grip the tank with my legs and I only started at MSF on a 250 rebel but on my FZR 600 everything felt very intuitive
That’s why I love my Z1000. Sporty enough for fun at the track with 136HP and good brakes, but with smooth low speed clutch control and practical ergonomics for commuting. 😎
Riding position and ergos def are a factor. Causes fatigue which causes mistakes not to mention with clip ons and a more aggro COG. Gotta fight it more and ride more technical the faster you go, my mt07 i could literally just muscle around at any speed noticed right away with my gixxer that muscling it would be dangerous lol
I've been riding for 3yr now and finally moving from my old Boulevard S40 to a ZX-4R in the next month or so when it arrives. I was aware of the difference in ergos clearly, and while the ZX-4R isn't quite as drastic as a ZX-6 or 10, having it spelled out in no uncertain terms like this in the context of actually riding is super valuable to me.
@@G30rg31415 Seems that way! From what I understand the clip-ons have a little bit of a rise to them compared to the others in the ZX line but otherwise everything else is very similar.
Well ok ive got a cruiser and was thinking of going to a sport bike maybe sport tourer like a zx14 or a busa but I’ve ridden naked too but everyone says nakeds are watered down when it comes to power delivery
Great info as always mate. I want to buy my first motorcycle and your videos are very helpful to understand those little but important things. Subscription from me. Take care!
100% agree. Being "in shape" to ride these is super important. I enjoy mine in part because of the way I have to ride it. Its not a lazy brain machine.
This is one of the best videos I've seen explaining a super sport. Great info, needs to be shared a lot!
the lose arms is for all bikes
This is really an excellent video that explains some vital information to newer riders.
I am and old rider and my son is in his second year of riding, we just purchased a 2024 zx6r which has a very aggressive riding position.
He started last year with a CBR250 and very quickly outgrew it, then got him a 2023 Ninja 400, outgrew that fairly quickly as well and took over my VFR800 Interceptor which is more of a super sport cruiser.
Then we got this zx6r and that riding position caused him to lean way too much on the handle bar and I warned him about how too much grip and weight dramatically increases the chance of the infamous death wobble and that is exactly what he got getting on a freeway on ramp hammering it to 80mph.
He ended up crossing 3 lanes with no control and was lucky it was a Sunday with no traffic and was able to recover before going off road, I drilled this into his head, if you get the death wobble aka tank slapper, loosen you grip and let the bike fix it self letting off the throttle.
Using your handle bar to hold your self up or to grip it tightly during hard acceleration will only assure you that you will experience a tank slapper and that causes the vast majority of accidents because people panic by holding the bar even tighter.
only 1 YEAR on a 300?!?! your son needed a minimum of 2-3 years on a 300/400cc to properly dial in his body positioning skills and corner entry. simply riding from point A to B and being comfortable with the bike doesn't mean he was ready for a 600. i've been riding my R3 for 3 years and still have tons to learn on body positioning. now he still has the skills of a 300cc rider, but with triple the horsepower. not a good combination
@@kushpaladin
No, he has not been one year on a 300.
He started on a CBR250 and outgrew it very fast, switched to a Ninja 400 and within a month took over my VFR800 interceprtor and put on about 8k miles on that and he is actually quite good on it.
He decided to get a 2024 zx6r and it is not as powerful or fast as my VFR800 but does have a more aggressive seating position.
Because of that seating position, young riders learn real quick that putting weight on the handlebar causes tank slappers, that my point and that this video clearly points out.
you know that people learn differently and not everybody is you, right? my buddy started on a R6, quite an aggressive rider but still no crashes, no dumb shit done or any close calls after 5 years of constant riding@@kushpaladin
@@kushpaladin LOL
outgrew/outgrow is the most absurd excuse i read on motorcycle discussion - not talking about you or your son specifically. a lot say they outgrow a bike when all they learned was how to get it moving. Those same people never really cared about the details and actually learn skills and all they really wanted was a faster bike. i mean it's ok to want a faster bike, just don't make the excuse of 'outgrowing' a bike just to buy the shiny 600/1000 on the lot.
Great video!
Well explained.. after not being dead during 50+ years of riding, and owning 47 different motorcycles, I concur with your observations.
Having the best brakes, best acceleration, best handling.. makes a motorcycle safer.
The riding position demands physical fitness, that is core strength to enable the rider to use correct pressure on the clip-ons for steering, braking, and the all important corect throttle useage.
Like a sharp cutting instument, or extremely accurate rifle, a high performance motorcycle does not reward stupidity, lack of knowledge, lack of prep, being out-of-shape, or having an absence of training, on behalf of the operator.
We are fortunate that motorcycles arrived historically during an age when invention was rampant; to invent them during this current time of self-parking cars, and hardly a manual transmission in sight, they would never make it to the road-legal stage.
For this reason, we must enjoy and revel in our skills as riders, while we have the years to do so, and knowing how to ride a proper machine rather than riding a toilet or a sofa, that can outmaneuver traffic, is a skillset to enjoy 🤗
Over 50 years and 47 motorcycles is an insane resume, thank you for the kind words!
Another total bellend
Well said!
Just bought my first supersport after cruiser and naked, this video is a really good advice, will certainly take these words with me on every ride. Thank you good sir and keep spreading the knoweledge youve got
Phenomenal information for a novice like me. Going through every video on your channel rn. Invaluable information. Thanks!
My biggest hurdle coming from a ninja 250 to a zx6r was the ergonomics. I still remember my first ride out of the dealership, it was the most awkward first impression of riding a Supersport. It almost felt like relearning how to ride, and it took me a solid month or so to begin to get accustomed to the ergonomics. Thankfully I was interested in track riding and the fundamentals which got me to read/watch stuff about proper body positioning, and the "science" about the design, function, purpose of these sportbikes. Like recommendating MSF for newbies, people need to consider doing the same with suggesting people that want to jump on a sportbike to research or get guidance on body positioning, because of its ergonomics and the correlation to rider inputs and how the bike reacts. Its surprising that this doesn't get brought up as much as the other concerns with sportbikes and or new riders wanting to get into these bikes.
Your videos have been super informative and easy to understand. I've been riding for a month on a cbr600rr and have been using your tips to help me out. Please keep doing this sort of content.
Thank you! And that cbr600rr is an awesome bike man congrats
@@skyoom1 thanks man im having a blast on it.
is the cbr600rr your first bike?
Thank you for the explanation on this topic. I was really following along and the video suddenly cut out. Even on an R3 everything you said applies. I notice squeezing the tank makes a huge difference. Just got to work on my core.
A wise old man said, "grip the tank like you're holding your wallet there with your knees"
Great vid, I’m 61 & ride a 2014 GSX-R 750 & I find that sitting further back on the seat & gripping the tank hard along with bent arms & relaxed grip works best for me on the streets & track. If I sit up on the tank I put too much weight on the bars for some reason, I don’t know why, maybe because I have long arms and legs. I don’t find these bikes too uncomfortable as you just have to ride them a lot and you will get comfortable to a point. Just found your channel new sub here from Philadelphia, stay safe out there!
62 yo here and I ride an H2. Not quite as radical a position as my GSXR1000 but the same applies. If you can't sustain a strong position with your knees and feet, with virtually no pressure on the bars, then keep practicing. The bike is always far more capable than you are; just let it do its thing.
62, down here, ride a Z900. I had some doubt, some time ago, if my back would get worse, riding naked bikes. Actually, I think a correct pilot positioning strenghs your core muscles, as you dont load your arms while riding. Of course, naked bikes doesnt have a superbike, positon, but the idea is the same.
Yeah I am 51 and tended to put too much weight on my arms and wrists on my R1. They even got a little sore and my hands have tingled a bunch of times. I started putting these tips into practice just to fix that. It is great to see a video that also connects it to actual safety.
Yeah but GSXRs are pretty comfortable out of the box lol, try an R6 or Panigale....
Always good to see some sensibility about bikes.
Keep helping keep people alive, mate.
Thank you! I just recently started riding again after being away for 15 yrs and I feel completely inexperienced and rusty and needed to see this today! I’ve been riding all wrong.
Don't worry too much. The muscle memory will come back.
look up 'motojitsu riding position' on youtube as well, he has really good demonstrations of position especially the sportbike videos especially the one called 'BODY POSITION For Sport Bikes'
This is how I like things to be explained to me. Thank you, sir!
Thank you. I've already avoided my future mistakes. The why of Rear-set was something I was looking for.
It also helps if you get tank grips. For those that don’t know, they sell rubberized pads that you can put on the sides of your tank where you squeeze on it with your legs and it will help you from sliding around in the seat. Notice how the tank is shaped.. it’s ergonomic for a reason lol.
I dont really comment much on youtube but this is great information! Thank you!
This is the best channel on raw 1000cc realities. Love it mate. Subbed and binged.❤
I found that getting the position right was soooo useful in breaking that lean angle limitation, which made my driving unsafe! I noticed that I had a tendency to tension up and straighten my arms when entering a corner, so when I was adding in more countersteer on the inside arm, the straightened outside arm would inevitably work against that - felt like I was pushing the bike and nothing happened, which is a very alarming feeling. Had a couple situations as a fairly new rider of running wide (not into the oncoming lane or off piste, but certainly way further out than I intended) on corners/speeds that absolutely shouldn't have caused me to, and going after the cause was absolutely what you described.
Great video! Another thing to add might be the actual angle of steering! On a naked or anything with bars, the angle that you need to apply force is left and right to your shoulders. Its as easy as push or pull. But on a sport bike with clip-ons, you gotta rotate it more, you cant push directly away from you, because that's toward the ground and very far off the axis that the steering column wants to move. Its very weird to explain, easier to show, and SUPER IMPORTANT especially when talking about locking your arms!
I love the videos🔥 They're answering questions no one else seems to be. I'm r eally appreciative. Only critique is how abruptly they end... It's almost as if -
Hahaha thanks so much man. I have a tendency to start rambling rather than stating a nice clean conclusion so I've been editing the yap sessions out, I'll work on cleaning those ends up for future videos
man the colour on that gsxr is so pretty. Great vid btw, I'm still a newish rider, starting on a z300, but looking to upgrade to a supersport after a bit (rs660 be looking delicious). I knew the ergos were different but didn't expect it to affect the riding style that much. I'll make sure to keep these tips in mind when I eventually do upgrade
can vouch for the rs660, had a ninja 400 and upgraded to it, its perfect for the city / country riding I do. its a bit tall so maybe try to get in seat on one to make sure you'll be able to keep it standing / move it
@@jpbastyrHow tall are you, i'm 6"3 and looking at possibly getting a rs660
Something else with stiff arming the clip ons is if you hit a bump or the tire slips or whatever, you're likely to suddenly jerk the throttle because of the movement. When is the worst time to jerk the throttle? When you're hitting a bump or the tire is sliding.
love those gloves, colours are awesome
Your videos are great for all Sport bike riders. I have 20 years of riding experience with Motocross bikes to my R1 superbike. Some Sport bikes are easier to ride then other's depending on the suspension setup, gearing, rider position, bar position and even clutch engagement. My Yamaha FZR1000 was a true Super Bike where you had to work it all the time.
This information will help every rider.
Damn you laid out this information very effectively. Thank you for giving me more to improve
I’m about to get a ninja 1000 after coming from a 400 and this had been very helpful thank you
I want to get a ninja 1000 too might pull the trigger in 2 weeks. Hows the bike if you’ve gotten it already?
hey man love the hands on style of your videos and your direct explaination of this stuff
love from germany :)
thanks for the great info. i just got a 450sr as my first bike a few months ago and have started to hit the twisties and this will really help to improve my riding.
Congrats on being able to lock one of those down they all seem to sell before they hit the lot around me haha. I still haven't had the opportunity to see one in person I'm real curious to test one
@@skyoom1 I would love to see a review of that bike from you 😊
Another great video. It's the operator, not the machine. That's why most people should stay way from these bikes. I mentioned that I have a naked on your other video. Eventually, I would like to add a 1000cc supersport. This video will definitely help me a lot when it comes to positioning. Thank you.
Very well translated description of specific application of what is really just good/safe riding fundamentals across the board. Obviously there's nuance amongst the various applications but there's certain cardinal rules involved in any sort of riding/driving at speed. Very good point on tension in arms as well, as I'd argue that in the one accident I've been in (high-side@25mph; dog ran perpendicular into front wheel) didn't require any hospital trip because my body was limp as I hit the ground. Had sprained patellar tendon and 3rd degree burn from where bike pinned same leg. Pressure point in feet is another one that took me by surprise after 3 months not riding I was almost embarrassed how sore my legs were because I keep my posture unless stopped. Glad you're getting information out that keeps us all alive.
Agree with others - one of the best videos explaining super sports. Really well explained. Thank you.
I totally agree with you. I am a Yamaha MT03 rider. I also rode my friend's Yamaha R3 ( same engine but it is a supersport not naked) I didnt feel safe, I did not have a moment of relax or chilling and besides I feel like a rookie rider at all on that bike especially in cslow speed city riding. So yeah, high cc engine does not make supersport dangerous, it is the high requirements of ergonomics understanding and riders' skill. Supersports requires much higher level of skill and discipline İmo.
I left the urge for clip-ons and rearsets behind 40 years ago, and now, at nearly 70, my legs don't bend enough to fit on a sports bike. I can go quite fast enough for public roads on my conventional bikes, a 1978 Triumph Bonneville and 1980 GS550, and in comfort.
Great explanations. I watched both of your videos. It's refreshing to see a clear, experienced opinion.
You are right in saying that no other video explains the importance of pushing off with the balls of your feet on the pegs to counteract inertia. Thanks for this informative video.
I rode a supersport for the first time one week ago after watching this video multiple times and your advice was spot on. Now i understand why the sportbike riders need to stop and stretch so often on a long ride compared to me when i ride my cruiser.
Shockingly uncomfortable after a bit isn't it 😂
@@skyoom1 I actually was breaking in tires for my first ride and decided to do a 100 mile round trip. I am in relative decent shape and applied your techniques and was able to avoid putting any weight on my wrist for the round trip but decided to visit a friend on the way back and stayed there for about an hour. I didn't realize how fatigued i was until I had to ride home from the friend and my wrist got numb at every stoplight. Definitely wont be riding this when I am tired. Great experience though, I have a 2020 GSXR750 and it cruises where my cruiser tops out. I love it. Keep doing what you doing.
Great video! I have heard often that I am not supposed to hold tight the handlebars with my hands, but no one explained that I am supposed to use my legs to hold onto a bike.
Watched the whole video over the week, so fun to watch. I’m looking forward to season 2
2 for 2. Both videos I've seen from you have been excellent. My inner nerd loves this, especially as someone who rides a Bonneville but has always been interested in super sports
love the grey Suzuki, it looks sick ... its very unfrotuate but here in germany its not availble
Very well described and I agree with you although the most important factor in my opinion is to ride it "sensible" and within your comfort zone/ability. This is a motorcycle that can do all sorts of performance on the street and track but the common denominator for this to be possible is the rider. Everyone can go fast in a straight line, it does not require much more than keeping it center and roll on the throttle. Where people usually goes wrong myself included when I started riding is to not understand the bike and your own limitations, to make matters worse is when people then panic all the wrong things happen. The rider should be in control not the bike.
I have this discussion with many new riders and/or pillions that have not yet grasped the concept of holding on with your legs and leave your arms free to move. Additionally, with arms straight, you push onto the handlebar from above, if you have a bent ellbow and your forearm perpendicular to the flor, you push against the fork at almost 90 degrees (minus rake angle) and it takes much less force to move the bars. And just to mention, I ride a GSA😁and get a huge difference in handling depending on how I sit on the bike...my R6 from yesteryear was much more sensitive.
After buying my zx6r, i found i needed to but a helmet with higher vision because its so forward. Some people put foam at their forehead to move up their helmets up slightly.
what gloves are they bro ?
Learned a lot from this short video. Thank you!
completely agree. also i would like to add that riding a sports bike while gripping the handlebars tight is very tiring and in my opinion almost no one is going to be able to ride like that for long. gripping the fuel tank with legs and pushing on the footpegs with light hands on the handlebars is easier and less tiring.
been riding a ninja400 for a year and getting ready for a r6 or zx6r and im glad i found this video, thanks !
you'll love it
If you get a ZX6r highly recommend steering damper
R6 is amazing although at high speed your skills need to be refined she's super agile
@@RRFriction thanks yeah that is to be one of the first purchases for the bike death wobble terrifies me heh
Awesome video! Sums up pretty nicely why I don't vibe with supersports.
Great point about arm flexibility affecting agility of turning/steering. I ride a more comfortable Ninja 650, but I can imagine clip ons being lower put a lot more strain on the back and legs to keep those arms loose and not tense. Tense arms on the handlebars can definitely stiffen up agility/steering. Thanks.
you did a really great job on this video. best explanation ive ever heard
Beautiful gixxer and great advice, thanks 👍
That is beautiful video. learned that the hard way upon switching for. SV650 to VFR1200 :-D
This is an excellent, excellent video! Every rider needs to understand the points you’ve explained here. Thanks! Subscribed. 👍🏼👍🏼
That was a very interesting video and not seen anyone else talk about it. Thanks for taking the time.
Great breakdown. More people should get familiar with the difference between bikes and the habits they require to ride properly
got myself a zx6r as a first bike, everything you say is very true! i find i need to go to the gym and train lower back 3 times a week to be able to ride comfortable
If you are using your lower back,you are doing it wrong
Incredibly helpful explanation that I don't think I've seen anywhere on youtube! Thank you so much for sharing
Even on my cbr650r I still find myself leaning more forward so my elbows aren't locked 😅😅. It's only been 2 weeks today tho so I'm having patience and seat time to get used to it
As someone whos learning to ride and hoping to obtain the driver's licence soon, I always had a rough time handling the bike and huge pain in my wrists and thumbs. Turns out I don't use my hands to keep position on the bike but rather legs, back and abs. Thank you for explaining that.
Excellent info! I was wondering how people hold on and maneuver one of these high powered bikes b while under acceleration. I rode my friends mt10 and had it in rain mode but easy down on that throttle and bike went from 40 to 65mph in a couple of seconds. You could feel the pull wanted to make you hang on to the handle bars. I was gripping the tank with my knees.
glad to have found this channel, really great insights for a new rider like me
Really informative! Thanks for this video man, I never looked at it this way before!
Best explanation I’ve seen. I came the the dirt bike/off-road world so when I got my R6 it was crazy bc I thought I knew how to ride bc I grew up on dirt bikes and cruisers buts a completely different world on a sport bike
Im watching coz I rode Supersport 600's and Superbike 900's for 30 years without an accident but had 4 in my first year owning a 1000cc. I found the 1000 to be a little top heavy and harder to lean spontaneously, it has to ridden more precisely and premeditated.
8:50 Totally, how you are sitting when you ride "no hands", you're gripping the Tank with your knees and pushing on the pegs.👍
That Gixer is so small it looks like a 600. It was available in red/black in the UK. My main bike is 2007 Fireblade, 178kg,178bhp,178mph and it's more comfortable at high speed. I'm glad you said to Viewers these can't be ridden relaxed coz even high in the revs they'll jump out from under you.🤣😂😂❤ING it!
Thanks for posting!✊👊✌️
great video, had a break from riding for a few years so finding your videos very useful....... PS thats a stunning looking Gixer
Suuuuuper good explanation! I learned a lot from this. Thanks
Thanks this explains a lot. Even though my bike is a sport touring it is more towards the sport and this helps out a lot for me.
This is actually a really good topic you spoke on, but that abrupt end got me lik- , lmao.
Nice video dude. I ride a 07 CBR 600RR and can agree with just about everything you said however I feel pretty comfortable ergo wise on my bike but I'm also the perfect build for these bikes. Sitting at 5ft 9ish @125lbs it's like they were tailored to me 😅
This is great info. I’ve owned and ridden nothing but Harley’s up until this point but I’m looking in to adding a super sport to have a mixed bag of riding. But what my impression is that from a dead stop it’s easy to wheelie the bike. I can go full throttle on a Harley from a red light and at most you will burn rubber unless you deliberately cause it to wheelie by bouncing and what not. Can you make a video about how to properly give it gas and what to expect when you mash in the throttle without losing control. I’m curious to see it done so people know what to expect.
I seen another one of your videos on super sports and brother you do a GREAT job with sharing common, and not so common information. I love your thoroughness and your exaggerated explanation style 🫡
Very informative! Thank you for your insights.
Like its said - poor riders have got sore hands, good rides sore legs and bellies. Excellent video.
Thank you for the vid! We needed this for the supersport community! 💯💯💯
hey i'm a competent rider on my r6 but that advice on the pegs is new, really helped and might have saved me having an accident. the front was wobbling a lot, probably masked the issue by turning up on stiffness on my stabaliser. thanks, sub'd
Excellent video. Older riders should be aware of ergos and what types of bikes they've been accustomed to. When my last cruiser became a money pit, I became fascinated with the Superduke GT. Test drove one and knew instantly the ergos weren't good for me for long trips but the motor was 😮. Found a Superadventure S and I was sold. Don't get hung up in the battle between aesthetics (ego) and ergos. If you're older and have never ridden a supersport bike, don't start in your late 50s or 60s.
about to go from riding dirtbikes for ~3 years to my first supersport, this the typa info I need
They should make an indoor work out, super sport motorcycle riding simulator, that leans in every axis that you could learn to keep yourself in that proper riding position. It would be nice if it had a correction system based on weight distribution.
Used to be a game where you sat on an rvf750 and ran either the suzuka track or isle of man (i cant remember)
You had to counter steer and lean etc. It was good. I thinnk you could choose a kawa 750 too.
Great video, I’ve been riding super sports for around 5 years. I’ve been thinking of changing to a less aggressive ergo. But don’t really understand the pros and cons for safety. Thanks for your insights
what gloves are those
Yeah also keen to know, they look nice
Thank you!
Beautiful explanation! Looking forward for more vids like this!!
Great video! Most people when they sit on a bike like that it's very intuitive. Somehow I unconsciously wanted to grip the tank with my legs and I only started at MSF on a 250 rebel but on my FZR 600 everything felt very intuitive
That’s why I love my Z1000. Sporty enough for fun at the track with 136HP and good brakes, but with smooth low speed clutch control and practical ergonomics for commuting. 😎
Riding position and ergos def are a factor. Causes fatigue which causes mistakes not to mention with clip ons and a more aggro COG. Gotta fight it more and ride more technical the faster you go, my mt07 i could literally just muscle around at any speed noticed right away with my gixxer that muscling it would be dangerous lol
Great video. Very good information about riding. Nice bike. I have the same one but it's a 21.
Ooo the black and red?
It's like a matter black with red, it reminds me of the bike Escalante rides in Moto America.
Matte Black
@@garvincollins8632 Far as I'm concerned we both have the prettiest gixxer's made haha
I have to admit, I loved the color of yours when the 22's came out, I was jealous. That bike looked so good
The first time I got on a 600 after riding a naked bike for so long. I was like wtf haha. Especially making turns.
Great advice!
I've been riding for 3yr now and finally moving from my old Boulevard S40 to a ZX-4R in the next month or so when it arrives. I was aware of the difference in ergos clearly, and while the ZX-4R isn't quite as drastic as a ZX-6 or 10, having it spelled out in no uncertain terms like this in the context of actually riding is super valuable to me.
Ergos are pretty much the same on the ZXs. The ZX4 practically is a baby 636
@@G30rg31415 Seems that way! From what I understand the clip-ons have a little bit of a rise to them compared to the others in the ZX line but otherwise everything else is very similar.
@@stoob2157 Yeap,it's a bit more comfortable,but just a tad compared to the 636.Tho,if you ant a comfortable ss,you gotta go back in mid 00s
Awesome video! Much needed! Thank you so much!!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️
As a newbie I’m now beginning to understand what these bikes are about. And they aren’t for me. Thanks for clarifying it so well.
Very good discussion.... I've always wondered how Michael Dunlop, J McG and PH managed to stay glued to their rockets! (I only know CB600F/CB900F).
Damn i never thought about putting weight on the handles while coming to a stop...im gonna need to get some braking practice in
Well ok ive got a cruiser and was thinking of going to a sport bike maybe sport tourer like a zx14 or a busa but I’ve ridden naked too but everyone says nakeds are watered down when it comes to power delivery
Really good information. I'm sure you saved a few lives.
Good stuff. Thanks. glad I got to chance to see.
Great info as always mate. I want to buy my first motorcycle and your videos are very helpful to understand those little but important things. Subscription from me. Take care!
I’ve ridden sportbikes for ages and not fucked up. Early bikes were notorious for no traction and braking.
Now it’s easier to deal with a 1000cc.
Excellent video
Very cool gloves, what brand and model are they?