I’ve tried to switch over entirely to the EBSB, but Scott’s is a fantastic and secure knot. I think a big benefit is that it’s fairly easy to teach. I prefer the EBSB for checking tho, for whatever reason it seems more straightforward to check to my eye.
Beautifully explained and illustrated, Davide! Thanks, it will be my knot from now on. Abbondanza! Stay safe, and have blessed holidays! "The rabbit comes out of the hole, goes around the tree, and goes back down the hole (and then locks itself off!)".
I have been teaching knots to sailors for more than a decade and am a member of the IGKT. Scott's locked bowline is one of my favorites, for sailors as well as climbers.
Interesting video. I think it's worth knowing how to tie and inspect many different tie-in knots. Personally I will continue to use the fig8 for tying in as it is the most common knot used in my area (USA), and is super easy to inspect. However I can definitely see the usefulness of the bowline for situations such as anchors (as a fig8 could become extremely difficult to untie after TRing) or for situations which require ring loading. All in all, great presentation of information!
Thank you Jesse! I found it to be a very practical, reliable, and useful knot. I also taught it to many of my climbing partners, and they learned it very quickly!
@@DavideFossati given the number of folks who need to use hammers picks pliers and the like to untie jammed fig 8s all of which have the potential for rope damage [often unseen] concentrated in the knot position of the rope, I think the ease of untying the bowline offers a safety advantage over the fig 8, as some folks are more meticulous than others when it comes to cutting off stressed areas of rope
In my son's regular climbing group they have all gone over to the EBSB secure bowline. It only takes a few seconds longer to tie than the Scott's, is arguably more secure and it is the work of seconds to alter the size of the loop, even if the knot has been tied, dressed and tightened. I'm not a climber but I now use the Scott's bowline for all general farm and occasional tree work. Like any knot it does need to be tied correctly from the start [nice demonstration] and then practiced till you can tie and check it on your harness or on somebody else's 100 times out of a hundred and all in the pitch dark....... and yes - I do put prunes on my all bran and I also wear belt and braces ['suspenders' across the pond] :
Thank you Scott! It is a really good knot with so many great properties. My friends and I are using it regularly for rock climbing, and we all love it!
Thank you! To recreate that point of view, I simply filmed it from the front with a slight angle, and then rotated the video 180 degrees in post-production.
@@DavideFossati Hi! Smart. I looked at some of your other videos. Christian. Singer. Musician. Mountain climber. Professor. And knot hound. You're a good guy. Don't sweat the distractions on IGKT.
Davide, this was an outstanding demonstration of the efficiency of the bowline compared to the standard figure 8 on a bight. There is a real bias against the bowline in the climbing community because it is considered 'dangerous'. Lynn Hill, the famous American climber who was the first female to free climb El Capitan used a bowline improperly, and almost died when the bowline untied itself. When she tied into her harness, she did not finish the bowline with the Scott's Locked Bowline, and the result was nearly fatal. She fell about 26 meters, and only broke a few bones. Thank you for making a video on the benefits (and safety features) of the bowline when it is properly tied.
The Yosemite finish for the simple bowline is trickier: it's not as secure as the Scott's locking maneuver, i.e., it still has a chance to get undone by itself as the climber moves around, unless you tie an additional stopper knot. That's why it's not listed as an "inherently secure" bowline in the "Bowline Analysis" paper on the PACI website linked in the description.
@@DavideFossati Is there somewhere else I can find information about the Bowline Analysis? The file on the PACI website is password protected unfortunately.
Learn the EBSB and you won't regret it. Once you get the full understanding of the knot, you will stake your life on it. It is beautiful, compact, and easy to verify.
This seems like a fine instructional video, but it seems to me that since the rewoven figure eight is virtually a universal standard for this application, is easy to tie and dress, and is easy for your partner to check, people should generally stick with that unless there is some very strong and compelling reason to use something else. If the compelling reason is supposed to be that the bowline is easier to untie after it's been dynamically loaded, then I would say (a) it's easy to learn to untie a tight figure eight if someone shows you how to separate the two strands on top first, and (b) even if you want to use a bowline for this reason, there ways to do it that are easier to learn and inspect. Just use a fisherman's knot (i.e., half of a double fisherman's knot) on the loop. This backup method prevents the knot from working itself apart, is easy to inspect, and keeps the tail out of the way when leading.
Figures 8s fuse. They are standard because they work and are super super easy to check. That's really nice. They are not best objectively compared to 6+ other knot options out there that are inherently stable, and don't fuse, take less rope, and done need a knot to start your next knot.
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I’ve tried to switch over entirely to the EBSB, but Scott’s is a fantastic and secure knot. I think a big benefit is that it’s fairly easy to teach. I prefer the EBSB for checking tho, for whatever reason it seems more straightforward to check to my eye.
Beautifully explained and illustrated, Davide! Thanks, it will be my knot from now on. Abbondanza! Stay safe, and have blessed holidays! "The rabbit comes out of the hole, goes around the tree, and goes back down the hole (and then locks itself off!)".
Thank you Thomas! Hahaha yes I like the rabbit analogy :-)
I have been teaching knots to sailors for more than a decade and am a member of the IGKT. Scott's locked bowline is one of my favorites, for sailors as well as climbers.
Interesting video. I think it's worth knowing how to tie and inspect many different tie-in knots.
Personally I will continue to use the fig8 for tying in as it is the most common knot used in my area (USA), and is super easy to inspect. However I can definitely see the usefulness of the bowline for situations such as anchors (as a fig8 could become extremely difficult to untie after TRing) or for situations which require ring loading.
All in all, great presentation of information!
Thank you Jesse! I found it to be a very practical, reliable, and useful knot. I also taught it to many of my climbing partners, and they learned it very quickly!
@@DavideFossati
given the number of folks who need to use hammers picks pliers and the like to untie jammed fig 8s all of which have the potential for rope damage [often unseen] concentrated in the knot position of the rope, I think the ease of untying the bowline offers a safety advantage over the fig 8, as some folks are more meticulous than others when it comes to cutting off stressed areas of rope
In my son's regular climbing group they have all gone over to the EBSB secure bowline. It only takes a few seconds longer to tie than the Scott's, is arguably more secure and it is the work of seconds to alter the size of the loop, even if the knot has been tied, dressed and tightened.
I'm not a climber but I now use the Scott's bowline for all general farm and occasional tree work.
Like any knot it does need to be tied correctly from the start [nice demonstration] and then practiced till you can tie and check it on your harness or on somebody else's 100 times out of a hundred and all in the pitch dark....... and yes - I do put prunes on my all bran and I also wear belt and braces ['suspenders' across the pond] :
I think you did the knot justice with your video. Scott (SS369)
Thank you Scott! It is a really good knot with so many great properties. My friends and I are using it regularly for rock climbing, and we all love it!
@@DavideFossati Keep teaching it well. Be safe and get high. ;-)
Perfect vantage point to illustrate any knot--the same vantage point that the tier will have!
Thank you! To recreate that point of view, I simply filmed it from the front with a slight angle, and then rotated the video 180 degrees in post-production.
@@DavideFossati Hi! Smart.
I looked at some of your other videos. Christian. Singer. Musician. Mountain climber. Professor. And knot hound. You're a good guy. Don't sweat the distractions on IGKT.
@@Sifo_Dyas Thank you!
@@DavideFossati Hope to see more knot demonstrations from you.
Been using the yosemite bowline. Love this one even more.
Davide, this was an outstanding demonstration of the efficiency of the bowline compared to the standard figure 8 on a bight. There is a real bias against the bowline in the climbing community because it is considered 'dangerous'. Lynn Hill, the famous American climber who was the first female to free climb El Capitan used a bowline improperly, and almost died when the bowline untied itself. When she tied into her harness, she did not finish the bowline with the Scott's Locked Bowline, and the result was nearly fatal. She fell about 26 meters, and only broke a few bones. Thank you for making a video on the benefits (and safety features) of the bowline when it is properly tied.
Thank you Robert!
She actually did not complete a figure 8.
You could use Cowboy bowline as the basis, instead. That way the knot could be tied in a bight; I have a video in my channel about that.
Enjoyed the clear and easy-to-follow instruction. Quick question: How is this when compared with the yosemite bowline? Thanks!
The Yosemite finish for the simple bowline is trickier: it's not as secure as the Scott's locking maneuver, i.e., it still has a chance to get undone by itself as the climber moves around, unless you tie an additional stopper knot. That's why it's not listed as an "inherently secure" bowline in the "Bowline Analysis" paper on the PACI website linked in the description.
Thank you Julian I'm glad you enjoyed this video!
@@DavideFossati Thank you! Looking forward to your next video :)
@@DavideFossati Is there somewhere else I can find information about the Bowline Analysis? The file on the PACI website is password protected unfortunately.
Oh.... If I slow down and read carefully... I will see that the password is on the webpage ☺️
Hi, do you see any advantage of this knot vs the other 4 inherently stable bowlines? How does one choose between the five?
I like it because it's the easiest to tie. The others are very good too, so it's just a matter of personal preference.
Learn the EBSB and you won't regret it. Once you get the full understanding of the knot, you will stake your life on it. It is beautiful, compact, and easy to verify.
This seems like a fine instructional video, but it seems to me that since the rewoven figure eight is virtually a universal standard for this application, is easy to tie and dress, and is easy for your partner to check, people should generally stick with that unless there is some very strong and compelling reason to use something else. If the compelling reason is supposed to be that the bowline is easier to untie after it's been dynamically loaded, then I would say (a) it's easy to learn to untie a tight figure eight if someone shows you how to separate the two strands on top first, and (b) even if you want to use a bowline for this reason, there ways to do it that are easier to learn and inspect. Just use a fisherman's knot (i.e., half of a double fisherman's knot) on the loop. This backup method prevents the knot from working itself apart, is easy to inspect, and keeps the tail out of the way when leading.
Figures 8s fuse. They are standard because they work and are super super easy to check. That's really nice. They are not best objectively compared to 6+ other knot options out there that are inherently stable, and don't fuse, take less rope, and done need a knot to start your next knot.
not that i'd ever, but out of curiosity, how does this respond to transverse loading?
I think I remember reading that this knot is resistant to transverse loading, but I'll double-check and get back to you!
Does a safety knot / stopper knot need to be tied on top of this as a back up?
An extra stopper knot is not necessary because the main knot is already stable. However I often do it anyway to get rid of the excess tail.
@@DavideFossati thank you : )