@@eamonoz If I forget to write what type of tram we are on, you can usually guess by all the others coming the other way. The 82 would rarely have need for anything bigger than a Z class. Essendon puts all their Bs on the 58 and 59.
Thanks! If you feel like watching some more lines, most are covered here: Melbourne Trams - Driver's Views, Rides th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNAm1qAXx3Oc73LehZsggS3t.html
Wish we could go back before 1962 and have a driver's view from the old terminus at Williamstown Road Yarraville and the other two Footscray tram routes that closed in 1962
Unfortunately very few rail fans had movie cameras at that time, but as plenty of film of Sydney exists, there probably is some of this as well, but whether it has been published, or where it might be today, I would not know.
That’s for certain! I drove trams there 1988 - 1994 and even since then a lot has changed, especially all the new low floor trams and the virtual disappearance of the W types.
It does more than that to me. While proof-checking my new videos before uploading them to TH-cam, I sit and watch them in my recliner chair. Without fail, long before the end, I keep nodding off then have to rewind a minute or two and try again! And again.....
I guess you mean the best tram network. Depending on what sort of places you want to go to, it is possible to live in Melbourne without a motorcar and get nearly everywhere you want to by public transport, mostly trams and trains but with buses to fill the gaps, mostly in outer areas.
Generally in the English language, a route is just one single line running from A to B. When there are several routes it is usually called a system while big ones might be called a network.
@@tressteleg1 my ans was based on the route shown in video as i am not aware of how many routes aus have anyway as per you the network covers some nice areas but i really cannot comment on how good and efficient the tram network is
I remember when the top end of Gordon Street had all the munitions factories and stores... a very different look today.. I also loved going to the Drive In and watching the W's trundle along behind the screen during the films...
the sharpest turn on the entire network is actually on the route 3. it's in a very weird curvy section of the route, near the terminus in Malvern East. that whole south-eastern area is pretty interesting in general, you've got the 67 Carnegie terminus which is the only curved tram stop in Melbourne, the 64 East Brighton terminus which is the southernmost tram stop in the world, and Balaclava Junction, which is the only grand union tramway junction in the southern hemisphere
As far as I know, one of only two non-radial (don't have any part of their route through the CBD) tram routes in Melbourne, together with the Chapel St trams. We used to have the 69 tram that ran from Acland St St Kilda to Cotham Rd in Kew, but that got joined up with the 15/16 tram route. And at 19:48. it's Epsom Rd not Epson. More to do with racecourses than printers.
100 or so years ago there was an isolated tramway, ?Footscray Tramway Trust operating several lines around Footscray station. During WW2 , this was connected to the 57. Around 1955 the lines beyond Footscray station were closed, the 82 being the remnant. As you say, the Chapel St line is the only other non-city line. The 69 and 16 were combined ?2000 when all the Ws were suddenly withdrawn due to brake problems, and the joining saved a few trams. Passengers found the through service more useful, so it stayed.
Thanks for that. There are quite a few obsolete suburban train lines. I used to live near the Rosstown Rail Trail which I believe ran on one trip only…from a (beet) sugar mill in Carnegie down to Point Ormond…and there were the Inner Circle (through Carlton and Fitzroy) and the Outer Circle (now part of the Alamein line I think). Do you know of any others?
I was only a short term Melburnian so I don’t know much about obscure rail history. I don’t know which one Rosstown would be, but if it does not involve a branch somewhere from Kew, this would be another.
I should have read this more carefully as I see you mention Carnegie. I could read some of your later comment, but for some reason it was inaccessible. It certainly was a short-lived line.
Overall nice like usual but the camera began swaying a lot around 9:00 so my stomach didn't feel so good. I do feel that the section prior to 9:00 that was street running had too many turns at intersections though - when signals go wrong all of the red lights are really painful.
Sometimes a driver lets me put the camera on a little tripod in the cab. Sometimes it is not possible. Sorry about swaying but you try standing locked in place with a camera in a moving vehicle, and you will know what aching means 😊. Traffic lights largely hindering, or just ignoring trams is ‘normal Melbourne’.
tressteleg1 True. And Kew ( Cotham Rd ) to St. Kilda is another one. Did my share of trips on that one growing up in Melbourne as a kid in the 60's. Enjoy your videos very much btw. Bring back a lot of memories of my old home town. Almost like I'm back there.
Not true any more. When Ws were still in service and all were suddenly withdrawn with braking problems, the 16 University to St Kilda was joined with 69 into the one route and that still is the case today as the 16.
When I used Footscray station in the early 60s there were two further tram routes terminating by the station: Ballarat Rd, and Williamstown Rd if my old memory serves me. Also, the bridge over the Maribyrnong River was then tram only. The present combined bridge is defined here.
Very nice - really enjoyed the 'street running', - something lacking in our Country now. Even though we have a few "new" systems they try and build them on 'reserved' stretches. A short new single track piece in our town they are building is going up a 'two-way' road but they are 'banning' all traffic from it except buses - mad.
As you will see from others of my videos, the vast majority of Melbourne is street running mixed with traffic. The Gold Coast line is totally segregated except for one very short block in the middle of Surfers Paradise where cars can only run on the tram line. How is Blackpool North work going? I’m surprised that it will be single track. There should be no need to keep road traffic out of the street. How can people access their houses?
Well for a start, the road has only shops, pubs, and a church in it (right at the sea-front end) - no houses. However that does not stop people wanting to use the shops, who are either moving out due to lack of trade or complaining like mad. The Council have just received a very stiff ultimatum from the local taxi firms and are 'considering' whether they will allow them to use it. They are running at least 6 months behind with the building of it, and have now 'discreetly' removed the boards saying when it will open as they had to keep changing the date. They haven't erected any traffic lights on the promenade yet - something of a mystery as they obviously have to cross the road to go up it. We are all surprised it is only single track, - to my mind it shows that they are not expecting a very high volume of patronage, (then only seasonal). It is going to be interesting to see how many trams a day use it in the 'off season' as I can hardly see it being used for 'commuting'. In my opinion they would have done far better to run 3 or 4 short 'spurs' off the prom and into the massive car parks that are behind the streets leading to the promenade. You are of course aware that we have been without any trains into B'pool North, for the last 6+ winter months or so whilst they shut the line from Manchester in order to erect 'overhead catenary' - still being done now although 'single line' working is in place. They have for the last couple of years been talking of demolishing a large supermarket that has a very large 'multi-storey' car park on the top by the station, and replacing it with a very upmarket shopping mall - why no one knows as it will not make any space for the trams, plus I can hardly see the 'locals' patronising it. As it is the other one we have already have has vacant shops in it so I don't really see the point. If you wish I will keep you updated with our 'snail speed' work on the tramway.
I appreciate all that information but think it might be more appropriate if you contact me by email. tressteleg@icloud.com There are a few points I’m not certain of. Thanks!
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Yeah. Windscreens often are dirty but when taking the video it is rarely possible for me to clean them first. And we were riding the usual Z3 on the 82.
The video was recorded on a Saturday afternoon during the summer holiday season. But as I never show the interior of the tram, there is no way of knowing just how many people really were on board but it should be noted that, especially at the Footscray end of the line, the tram was stopping at nearly every stop so there must have been plenty of people on board. Don’t forget that until privatisation of buses started in the early 1990s, this tram was a service operated by one man buses Saturday afternoon and all day Sunday.
Brings back memories 20 years since I lived in footscray for 15 years back in Ireland since used to work in altona refinery loved the trams
Oh well, at least if you are anywhere near Dublin you have LUAS.
@@eamonoz If I forget to write what type of tram we are on, you can usually guess by all the others coming the other way. The 82 would rarely have need for anything bigger than a Z class. Essendon puts all their Bs on the 58 and 59.
great camera work...!!
Thanks! If you feel like watching some more lines, most are covered here:
Melbourne Trams - Driver's Views, Rides
th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNAm1qAXx3Oc73LehZsggS3t.html
One of the strangest routes I've ever seen!! So many 90° turns and scenes you'll see nowhere else in Melbourne. Very unique route.
The 57 through north Melbourne also has a few. But no reserved track.
The western and northwestern suburbs of Melbourne are so different to other sides very industrial mixed with residential
Wish we could go back before 1962 and have a driver's view from the old terminus at Williamstown Road Yarraville and the other two Footscray tram routes that closed in 1962
Unfortunately very few rail fans had movie cameras at that time, but as plenty of film of Sydney exists, there probably is some of this as well, but whether it has been published, or where it might be today, I would not know.
Nice Video. Melbournes Tram System has changed so much since i lived there (from 1966 'til 1983)...
That’s for certain! I drove trams there 1988 - 1994 and even since then a lot has changed, especially all the new low floor trams and the virtual disappearance of the W types.
Nothing like the sound of a tram to make you feel back at home!
It does more than that to me. While proof-checking my new videos before uploading them to TH-cam, I sit and watch them in my recliner chair. Without fail, long before the end, I keep nodding off then have to rewind a minute or two and try again! And again.....
To relax and listen to the sound of a train or tram is quite a stress relief!
For me now living in Germany (Bavaria) these Videos give me a chance of seeing what my old home town Melbourne and there trams are doing...
Aus probably has the best tram route if someone wants to roam around
I guess you mean the best tram network. Depending on what sort of places you want to go to, it is possible to live in Melbourne without a motorcar and get nearly everywhere you want to by public transport, mostly trams and trains but with buses to fill the gaps, mostly in outer areas.
@@tressteleg1 route in the sense covering different areas that is not only roads but also through greeneries
Generally in the English language, a route is just one single line running from A to B. When there are several routes it is usually called a system while big ones might be called a network.
@@tressteleg1 my ans was based on the route shown in video as i am not aware of how many routes aus have anyway as per you the network covers some nice areas but i really cannot comment on how good and efficient the tram network is
OK. You may find this map of interest. It shows all of Melbourne‘s transport.
melbournetransportmap.com/
14:18 Defence precinct. Years ago, I used to work up the road (to the left) at MRL.
I still have a thermometer I got from there after closure. It checked steam temperature. 😄
I remember when the top end of Gordon Street had all the munitions factories and stores... a very different look today..
I also loved going to the Drive In and watching the W's trundle along behind the screen during the films...
Yes it has changed a lot. Recently I videoed the opposite direction for eventual posting here.
can watch these drivers eye view films all day ,see such a lot as you go along
I have several more to upload. Is there any line you want to see which maybe I have done?
i just watch what you put up ,i certainly would not go by route 82 ,bit of a rough area in parts by the look of it
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This line traverses a varied route. Very
interesting array of shopping centers and residential.😀😀
Good memories for me I moved from Footscray to Ballarat 4.6yrs ago
Nice. I recorded the opposite direction earlier this year so will publish it in due course.
Good job, Thank you for your information.
Great video, this route must hold the record for sharp curves.
The 57 through North Melbourne is not bad, and for meaningless twists and turns, the 58 though Royal Park has little straight track.
the sharpest turn on the entire network is actually on the route 3. it's in a very weird curvy section of the route, near the terminus in Malvern East. that whole south-eastern area is pretty interesting in general, you've got the 67 Carnegie terminus which is the only curved tram stop in Melbourne, the 64 East Brighton terminus which is the southernmost tram stop in the world, and Balaclava Junction, which is the only grand union tramway junction in the southern hemisphere
Beautiful view 👍🏻
This route has a lot of sleeper light rail segments amoung the in-road tracks
Yes.built through open land in wartime.
As far as I know, one of only two non-radial (don't have any part of their route through the CBD) tram routes in Melbourne, together with the Chapel St trams. We used to have the 69 tram that ran from Acland St St Kilda to Cotham Rd in Kew, but that got joined up with the 15/16 tram route. And at 19:48. it's Epsom Rd not Epson. More to do with racecourses than printers.
You do wonder why this tram route was built back in the day.
100 or so years ago there was an isolated tramway, ?Footscray Tramway Trust operating several lines around Footscray station. During WW2 , this was connected to the 57. Around 1955 the lines beyond Footscray station were closed, the 82 being the remnant.
As you say, the Chapel St line is the only other non-city line. The 69 and 16 were combined ?2000 when all the Ws were suddenly withdrawn due to brake problems, and the joining saved a few trams. Passengers found the through service more useful, so it stayed.
Thanks for that. There are quite a few obsolete suburban train lines. I used to live near the Rosstown Rail Trail which I believe ran on one trip only…from a (beet) sugar mill in Carnegie down to Point Ormond…and there were the Inner Circle (through Carlton and Fitzroy) and the Outer Circle (now part of the Alamein line I think). Do you know of any others?
I was only a short term Melburnian so I don’t know much about obscure rail history. I don’t know which one Rosstown would be, but if it does not involve a branch somewhere from Kew, this would be another.
I should have read this more carefully as I see you mention Carnegie. I could read some of your later comment, but for some reason it was inaccessible. It certainly was a short-lived line.
This is the only route that doesn’t go through the city, and probably the most route with those sharp bends
Not quite. I think you have forgotten the 78 which runs in Chapel and Carlisle Streets. Unlike the 82, this one is dead straight, or very close to it
B2 class tram?
would have made more sense to have the tracks nearer the pavements not in moddle of the road, but a great video and journey thanks
When the tracks were laid 100 or so years ago there was hardly any road traffic and the centre of the road was normal everywhere.
Overall nice like usual but the camera began swaying a lot around 9:00 so my stomach didn't feel so good. I do feel that the section prior to 9:00 that was street running had too many turns at intersections though - when signals go wrong all of the red lights are really painful.
Sometimes a driver lets me put the camera on a little tripod in the cab. Sometimes it is not possible. Sorry about swaying but you try standing locked in place with a camera in a moving vehicle, and you will know what aching means 😊. Traffic lights largely hindering, or just ignoring trams is ‘normal Melbourne’.
82. One of the few routes that does not traverse / enter the CBD.
Yep. 79 Chapel St is another. I should have that in the computer.
Not to be rude but 82 and 78 are they don't go into the CBD and Melbourne has the only biggest in the world.
tressteleg1 True. And Kew ( Cotham Rd ) to St. Kilda is another one. Did my share of trips on that one growing up in Melbourne as a kid in the 60's. Enjoy your videos very much btw. Bring back a lot of memories of my old home town. Almost like I'm back there.
Not true any more. When Ws were still in service and all were suddenly withdrawn with braking problems, the 16 University to St Kilda was joined with 69 into the one route and that still is the case today as the 16.
When I used Footscray station in the early 60s there were two further tram routes terminating by the station: Ballarat Rd, and Williamstown Rd if my old memory serves me.
Also, the bridge over the Maribyrnong River was then tram only. The present combined bridge is defined here.
Trees I took 82 tram before from Williams road from my home to footscray to delivery my Centrelink files
Very nice - really enjoyed the 'street running', - something lacking in our Country now. Even though we have a few "new" systems they try and build them on 'reserved' stretches. A short new single track piece in our town they are building is going up a 'two-way' road but they are 'banning' all traffic from it except buses - mad.
As you will see from others of my videos, the vast majority of Melbourne is street running mixed with traffic. The Gold Coast line is totally segregated except for one very short block in the middle of Surfers Paradise where cars can only run on the tram line. How is Blackpool North work going? I’m surprised that it will be single track. There should be no need to keep road traffic out of the street. How can people access their houses?
Well for a start, the road has only shops, pubs, and a church in it (right at the sea-front end) - no houses. However that does not stop people wanting to use the shops, who are either moving out due to lack of trade or complaining like mad. The Council have just received a very stiff ultimatum from the local taxi firms and are 'considering' whether they will allow them to use it. They are running at least 6 months behind with the building of it, and have now 'discreetly' removed the boards saying when it will open as they had to keep changing the date. They haven't erected any traffic lights on the promenade yet - something of a mystery as they obviously have to cross the road to go up it. We are all surprised it is only single track, - to my mind it shows that they are not expecting a very high volume of patronage, (then only seasonal). It is going to be interesting to see how many trams a day use it in the 'off season' as I can hardly see it being used for 'commuting'. In my opinion they would have done far better to run 3 or 4 short 'spurs' off the prom and into the massive car parks that are behind the streets leading to the promenade. You are of course aware that we have been without any trains into B'pool North, for the last 6+ winter months or so whilst they shut the line from Manchester in order to erect 'overhead catenary' - still being done now although 'single line' working is in place. They have for the last couple of years been talking of demolishing a large supermarket that has a very large 'multi-storey' car park on the top by the station, and replacing it with a very upmarket shopping mall - why no one knows as it will not make any space for the trams, plus I can hardly see the 'locals' patronising it. As it is the other one we have already have has vacant shops in it so I don't really see the point. If you wish I will keep you updated with our 'snail speed' work on the tramway.
I appreciate all that information but think it might be more appropriate if you contact me by email. tressteleg@icloud.com
There are a few points I’m not certain of. Thanks!
Happy new year 2019! If you haven't already yet, make sure you visit www.melbournetramsuccess.com for an enjoyable read, gift or souvenir! Stay cool in the heat everyone.
Just love and miss Melbourne dont know when i will get a chance to be back and living there my life out .is there any single girl out there?
Sure to be some but I don’t know any 😊
Tressteleg1 r u driving the tram
No, unfortunately. I left the job in 1994.
liked video :)
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Very nice Video, but the Smart at 2, 55 Minute are have a Europ license plate.
The system are German, but German have no "V" as City.
Drivers in Australia can choose nearly any number plate they want - for a price.
5:08. Get ya windows done, brother!
Yeah. Windscreens often are dirty but when taking the video it is rarely possible for me to clean them first. And we were riding the usual Z3 on the 82.
Nice dude
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My church friend live in money ponds
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Not many passengers at this time of day. Interesting trip - a new neighborhood to explore.
The video was recorded on a Saturday afternoon during the summer holiday season. But as I never show the interior of the tram, there is no way of knowing just how many people really were on board but it should be noted that, especially at the Footscray end of the line, the tram was stopping at nearly every stop so there must have been plenty of people on board. Don’t forget that until privatisation of buses started in the early 1990s, this tram was a service operated by one man buses Saturday afternoon and all day Sunday.
:pfft: Bemusingly mystifying how watchers often comment their finding that place easy on the eyes •×• oh well.