By accepting Anakin at such a late age, the jedi council was also responsible and should have understood the stronger attachment Anakin felt towards his mother and perhaps others.
To them, it was a risk they ultimately took "that they wouldn't have took otherwise" they only bit the bullet with that choice because of anakin's rare and incredibly powerful connection with the force... being the choosen one so to speak, to them it was worth the risk because of the potential he had to contribute with his prowess.
You'd think grandmaster Yoda would train anakin instead of....handing him off to a jedi knight with 0 experience training a padawan, let alone space jesus.
Ironically obi wan was attached to Anakin, he loved anakin as a son/brother, he wanted Anakin to be happy. Check the ROS novelization and in deleted scenes.
@@wyveriusblackfire3834 what's saddest is that he probably saw him as his little brother. They were both padawans of Qui Gon, and in a way they were both orphaned by him when Maul killed him. Obi-wan raised anakin pretty much by himself as well as trained him and mentored him so that he could be the best jedi he could possibly be. He "failed" but it wasn't entirely his fault, the jedi council had rigid ways and offered anakin no means to overcome his trauma and the murderous rage that dwelled within him. The Jedi merely took a motherless child filled with rage and fear and turned him into an elite soldier all while trying to clip the only other attachment aside from obi-wan that fostered any feelings of kindness and love in him.
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Obi wan was trying to hint Anakin and Padme that they were too obvious and needed to keep it low profile, but those two idiots though they were the masters of deception... in reality everyone on Couruscant knew
I believe in season 6 ( rise of Clovis ) when obi wan goes to talk to anakin in his room (after anakin beat Clovis up in padme's apt). Obi wan wasn't telling anakin to stop his feelings for padme, obi was telling anakin to stop being so obvious with his feelings
No lol, the Jedi were obviously blind to this relationship. The only Jedi who knew of them were Obi-Wan and Ahsoka. But it is implied that the younglings knew, but that would be pretty confusing if they knew of this relationship and the Jedi Council did not.
JackeMon03 He never implied the younglings knew, he said every youngling/Padawan could find where he was because he was hinting that their secret relationship skills sucked and it was obvious to Obi Wan & some members of the council that they were more than just ‘friends’. He just meant he could see right through their facade they put up all the time just like many others like Yoda, Ahsoka, etc.
Because Obi-Wan found bits and pieces of his humanity when he was training Anakin, who was already exposed to so many attachments, and had suffered greatly as an outcast Padawan, and a slave. He was not without empathy to Anakin's struggles being an outcast before Qui-Gon came to train him. Obi-Wan knew the Jedi way was to let go, but as a friend and a fellow human being, he knew if one person in the Galaxy deserved some semblance of Happiness, it would be his son....his brother, Anakin, because he knew from the get go, Anakin's training was not traditional anyways.
Or, you know, his past relationship with Satine and how the two developed feelings for one another but decided set aside whatever feelings they had for each other and continue on with their duties and responsibilities (being a Jedi annf being a leader of the New Mandalorians respectively). Obi-Wan deep down regretted not being with her and was worse when she died thx to Maul when Satine confessed that she still loved him and so wanted Anakin to not have to make the same decision he did and let him experience something that he himself couldn’t by keeping Anakin’s marriage with Padmé a secret.
Honestly, I see people shock that Obi-Wan knew from a scene in the CW where Anakin contacts Padme in season 7. Legitimately, it would be more shocked if Obi-Wan didn't knew.
I always like reading sections of the lore related to this topic for this reason as well, as it's nice finding evidence that Obi-Wan did know in some capacity. Thank you for watching!
I always assumed Obi-Wan at least knows they have an romantic interest in each another, seeing that Obi-Wan actually knows about their relationship but just doesn't do anything was a really cute moment and really important for their master-student connection imo..
Obi wan didn't do anything because he knew how anakin had felt for padme the same way obi wan felt for dutchess satine , but obi wan let him continue because obi wan didn't continue his love
Obi-Wan did say he would've left the Jedi Order if Satine asked him to. That just proves how Obi-Wan felt about the Jedi's strict rules on forming attachments.
This is one of the reasons why I hold Obi-wan as my favorite character in all of Star Wars. He is THE Jedi of the series, one who holds the ideals of the Jedi dear, but never loses his connection with those around him, and complete strangers. This compassion, understanding, and desire for others to find their own path makes me glad that even the canon (So far) has not changed that about him.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 I agree, though I view this slightly differently. Luke is the best Jedi of the new era (at least in Legends) by understanding the faults of the order and finding a new path for the Jedi. Obi-Wan, however, is the best of the previous era as he was an example of what a jedi should be: compasionate, but not detached from others; always willing to reach an understanding, but ready to fight in self-defense; and willing to break the jedi dogma if he felt it hampered his ability to do good for others.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 I see your point, but when he died the title in my mind went to Obi-Wan as he was the closet to his master's stance on being a jedi. Not saying your wrong, but after Qui-Gon died the closet replacement for him was his pupil Obi-Wan.
That is one of Anakin's best qualities, his loyalty to those he trusts. As Ahsoka, herself told Ezra, "What would have surprised people was how kind he was. He cared deeply about his friends and looked out for them until the end." That's why so many people could get along with him, Rex, the other Clones, Ahsoka, R2, Obi-Wan, and so on. True that loyalty could be manipulated as Palpatine did, but still it was always coming from a good place that loyalty and trust. That's why he never seems to mind when Obi-Wan or even Ahsoka talks about him and Padme, or why he even let Rex in on it too, as seen in both Clone Wars season 7 and the unfinished episodes the first 4 were based on. While they obviously don't know about the marriage they can all tell those two have feelings for each other, and while Obi-Wan may have some concerns he respects their decisions and hopes it will all work out in the end, just like the others. And boy thanks to Palpatine's meddling did they bet the wrong Tantan in that race. XD.
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Anakin had so few people in his life that loved him that removing him from padme would have been borderline inhumane. Padme kept him grounded, happier. He only snapped when he thought he'd lose her. Obi-Wan could see that because he wasn't an idiot.
In "The Approaching Storm" novel..I think Obi Wan had bit of a thing for Luminara Unduli..but it wasn't acted on..it was a more mature respect between individuals and equals.. I think yr right in that Obi Wan did his best to bring up Anakin and care for him.. both of them were more alike than they'd admit!
Obi-Wan knew about Anakin’s relationship to Padme. I’ve also assumed Rex, Ahsoka, Bail Organa, & maybe some other of their close friends knew about their relationship. Didn’t Obi-Wan almost had an relationship Satine Kryze?
I feel like obi wan's mistake was that he was not upfront with Anakin about this. ROTS might not would have happened if he were. Anakin would have trusted him with his dream and fears.
@Paradoxical Nightmare how ironic that the sith may have ended up doing that, and now that i think about it, that would make a lot of sense, specially if you consider the fact that for plenty people, it was Luke and not anakin who was actually the choosen one.
The real issue is that no matter what Obi-wan had done, he knew that Anakin will ignore him and will do whatever he wants anyway. Anakin has never listened to Obi-wan before so why would he start now?
The Jedi Code forbids attachment so I think he knew, just thought Anakin would not take it too far or keep it on the low. When he talks to Padme about Anakin. The sorrow in his voice. When he tells her Anakin is the father. He's very sad,but not surprised.
Obi-Wan: Now, if I were Anakin, where would I be? Sors Bandeem: Naboo. *During Order 66 when Anakin finds the younglings* Anakin: DID YOU RAT ME OUT?!?! Sors: No Anakin: LIAR!!!
The jedi detachment led to their downfall. They were never really in control of their emotions because they did not use them which left them blind to deceit and force shadowing. Which in turn led them blind to the sith it left them unable to properly train the chosen one which led to a blood cleansing of the force instead of gaining balance through understanding they had to be wiped off to get it. In honesty they all failed obi-wan did the best job which shity information.
Well that is simple: a) Obi-Wan (as much as I dislike him for supporting Yoda in foisting off the Palpatine and Vader problem on Luke! Seriously, that's your mess! You clean it up!) is a decent human being (hell, I do call him a jedi-council-drone, but he isn't fully! Not like Mace Windu!) b) Obi-Wan had his own troubles with the Jedi-Code (Duchess Satin was just one of the women Obi-Wan would have left the order for if she told him that she wanted them to be together! Siri Tachi a fellow padawan was another, as were Lena Cobral and Cerasi)
I would also assume that Obi-Wan was, in a way, living vicariously through Anakin, imagining his connection to Satine and wishing he had the courage to pursue his love the same way Anakin did.
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Obi-wan is put in the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position. Him ignoring Anakin and Padme's relationship like he did throughout the prequels resulted in Anakin becoming Darth Vader, Padme dying, and Luke and Leia being seperated at birth. Even if Obi-wan had told the Jedi council about what Mr. and Mrs. Skywalker were doing behind their backs, they will expel Anakin which will result in him hating both Obi-wan and the Jedi for rejecting him thus, he still becomes Darth Vader and helps Emperor Sidious kill them all only to fail against Obi-wan. Obi-wan was going to lose Anakin to the Sith no matter what he had done.
If Obi-wan had told the Council about Anakin and Padme around the time of RotS Padme may have ended up joining Anakin to spite the Jedi for what they did to Anakin. Throw Luke and Leia in the mix, and the threat of the Jedi forcefully taking them away and Padme could break.
anakin didnt need a master or a friend, he needed a father (qui gon) hence palpatine was able to fill this role and guide him much more easily than the rest
I think one of the flaws of the Jedi Council was asking Anakin to spy on Palpatine, thus creating a rift between his moral values and the Jedi Council ,pushing him further away from the Jedi as they are in his eyes; doing evil acts. They should've found another way or someone else to do this.
They should have known that was a bad idea. They may not have known that Palpatine was the Sith Lord, but they knew he may have a connection. They should have sent any one else, and kept Anakin away as much as possible.
Attachments and emotions, and the Jedi in ability to deal with them was their downfall and flaw. They didn't help Anakin, instead wanting him to stuff his issues.
It's kinda funny seeing Obi-Wan described as the prime example of a Jedi because he undoubtedly loved Anakin with his whole being. He was tasked to raise that kid, not sure what they thought would happen.
I like how the 2008 Clone Wars series stated even Obi-wan had attachments. We see interactions between him and Duchess Satine and it was clear they were in love with Obi-wan even stating he would've left the Jedi for her.
The best insight into your theory comes from the book where they go to Zonoma Sekot. The council let's him fix and release droids which are allowed to work in the temple. Tarkin slips a spy into it that way. The entire order allowed Anakin to get away with a lot. Obi-Wan even more.
The jedi order are just as responsible for anakins turn as Palpatine, maybe even more so The whole *no attachments* rule was horrible since anakin couldn't open up about his feelings and had to hide his relationship. The amount of jedi that turned due to this piece of shit rule is astounding Not making him a master. It makes no sense. He and obi wan headlined the clone wars, he was on the front lines constantly and achieved a shit ton of victories, including defeating a sith lord. Yet they still don't treat him with respect (like that time he wasn't told obi wan wasnt actually dead) Being responsible for never seeing through Palpatines deception and playing his game like lap dog bitches Falsely accusing his padawan Ahsoka for something she didnt do, which ultimately left Anakin heartbroken and feeling somewhat betrayed
They didn't make him a master not because he hadn't proved himself in battle. Of that they knew he was one of their best. No it was because of his emotions. He had serious problems keeping his emotions in check. Now mind you this is because of his tragic childhood and hardships and of course not getting the proper help to deal with it. But for the Jedi they thought he should have brushed all of this aside or at least better handled them on his own. In short if Anakin had been more emotionally stable/mature they probably would have made him a master after killing Dooku.
@@TheDixieBassMan It can be both good and bad. Good because no one can used friends and loved ones to impair or force you to do actions you wouldn't normally do. But bad because you are denying yourself basic emotions and true companionship. No one should be forced to live their lives without loving another person or being allowed to have close kinship with others. Malgus may have killed his wife but he took no joy in the matter. And felt great grief after the fact.
Brandon Travis Rodriguez no for long he didn’t nor did he regret it. When you have the potential to destroy mountains and in some case planets the last thing you need is emotional attachment blinding your better judgement.
If all the republic had found out about their relationship it would look as tho the Jedi were penetrating political and royal power also would seem as the Jedi were no different from the sith. From my point of view the "Chosen One" should never of had been made a Jedi.
It's an interesting shift we see in Obi-Wan's growth over the course of his time in the SWU. He's trained by a bit of a rogue, takes on the role of training someone the High Council didn't even want trained out of a sense of loyalty to his deceased Master, becomes almost ideological in how he views the Force and Jedi as a Master himself, then slowly realizes some of the ideals he's espousing aren't as black and white as the HC would have him believe and begins to make decisions based on loyalty instead (again). Too bad that personal growth came full circle after Anakin had already been pushed to the brink of the Dark Side in desperation over potentially losing Padme and only needed the catalyst of seeing the hypocrisy of members of the HC at work to push him over the edge. Miss you @Star Wars Reading Club ! Hope you're doing well and enjoying the amazing fall weather. 😊
I think one of the other reasons Obi-Wan didn't try harder to end things between Anakin and Padme, and a major one, was Satine, the woman Obi-Wan loved (who was still alive at this point), and he probably would have left the order for her if she'd asked. Therefore, Obi didn't want to feel like a hypocrite.
Anakin: You... know. Obi-Wan Of course I know, and to be fair so does everyone else. Hearing the echoes of Padme yelling, "Oh yes! Yes! Anakin, plunge your light saber right into my dark side!" isn't exactly subtle and her yelling can be heard for miles on a cold night. Anakin: And you won't stop us? Obi-Wan: Look, if I do that, we're shit out of luck for episodes 4-6.
1. As a teacher, Obiwan wanted Anakin to figure this relationship out on his own, the same way he had to figure out Dutchess Satine. Outside interference would only make it worse. 2. At the start of the Clone Wars on Geonsis when Padme fell out the gunship, Anakin told Obiwan he was ready to quit the Order right then to save her. This meant Obiwan had to tred lightly as Anakin was already one foot out the door. Obiwan didn't want what could be the greatest Jedi the Order had ever seen rage quitting so easily. 3. There was a bit of ego there on Obiwan's part. He made a promise to Qui-Gon to train Anakin, and Obiwan also wanted to be a Jedi Master. In order to obtain the rank of Jedi Master, he would have to find a way to mentally get Anakin ready for the Jedi Trials. So allowing Anakin to walk away from the Jedi Order would of be failure on Obiwan's part both to his dying Master and his Career.
I believe he even had one or two more flings with fellow Jedi in Legends as well, he really had a way with ladies but then in Legends tons of Jedi were actually romancing somebody lol. Qui-Gon had one, years before Phantom Menace, Kit Fisto had something going on with Aayla Secura. Quinlan Vos but with a spy, not Ventress. Ki-Adi-Mundi had a wife (or more?) with plenty of children because his race had a really crap birth rate so he had an official dispensation.
padme: what are you doing here obi-wan? obi-wan: officially i am here to inform you that you have to cut your ties with anakin and end your relationship. unofficially im just gonna chill here for a bit and pretend we had that talk and pretend i have no knowledge of you two. padme: ... obi-wan: mind if i make myself a drink while we wait?
I wonder if Obi-Wan was more lenient and understanding with Anakin, because of his relationship with Satine? Obi-Wan knew what it was like to be tempted to leave the Jedi Order for the love of a woman, so perhaps he felt it would be hypocritical of him to expert more from Anakin.
From the Clone Wars Dutchess Satine always had Obi Wans heart. If she would have asked. He would have left the Jedi Order. Maul took Satine away from Kenobi in season 5
The way I see in the prequel movies, it would seem that some Jedi shut down their emotions to not let the dark side get to them. But the more they struggle, the more it would hurt when the emotions of pain and suffering comes back. There was no shame to have attachments, in the case of characters in the books, detachments would only lead to pain and depression. Taking a look at bonds between student and mentor, it seemed that sometimes that the emotional attachments whether it was a family member or a partner, it was the strongest boost the character can be given. Even in the end that nothing works out, we have to value while it lasts with loved ones. Take it from Katniss Everdeen, the reason she keeps fighting in the Hunger Games, was because after she took her younger sister's place in the Games, all Katniss can ever think of was going home for her mother and sister, even if it means that something traumatic will happen. In the end, it came to the point that Katniss can't save everyone she cared about, even her sister. But to honor her, she and Peeta wrote a book dedicated to Prim (Katniss' sister), and to all others they lost.
I think another reason why Ben understood what Anikin was going through is based off the clone wars the cartoon series. Where Ben knew about attachment & love for the senator from Mandalore Satiel (I know its misspelled) where right before she died he admitted that he did love her & he would have left the Jedi Order had she asked
This really makes me think that Windu should have been picked as his master instead. Someone who could understand how the dark side works and then use it, while still standing firmly in the light would have been able to help Anakin work through his ‘bad’ habits. Although, then we would likely have never gotten the story we did.
Attachment is forbidden, but intercourse is not a problem. By other words, to be a fuc*boy is not only permitted but also encouraged if your name is Ki-Adi-Mundi.
Honestly obiwan was wise enough to not say anything it’s not fair for him to just break a relationship like that especially considering the fact he was in a relationship himself not to mention the fact that anakin is a living being the Jedi were so flawed the they forgot that they still have to feel in the end they couldn’t even figure out palpatine was spying and killing them
wasnt there a elevator scene where anakin is acting hella nervous on his way to meet padme? i mean i think you gotta realize like oh ya this guy wants to get with her
If it matters at all, in the table top RPG of Star Wars. It can take two to three days or longer to fly to different star systems. But as for stander military deployment, after doing two tours back to back he should be getting at lest four months of down time.
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I'm pretty sure there Is an episode of the previous seasons where Obi and Ani talk about Padme and Clovis... Obi wan knew about Anakin's love for Padme, but he decided to trust him.
This is the type of thing that would have been really nice to see in the prequels. Not having it is why it's so jarring to see Anakin and Obiwan go from constantly arguing in Episode 2 to palling around at the beginning of Episode 3. Obiwan needed to have some kind of character arc related to his handling of Anakin, a point in Attack of the Clones where he stops trying to fight Anakin, choosing instead a more flexible approach. Instead all the most important and interesting character development happens off-screen.
Because I wanted him to be happy
Obi-Wan Kenobi Great job there!! 😉
In this case you should tell him about it. So he could speak to you if he has some problems, not to Palpatine.
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Aww so sweet, but that makes you the one who killed the younglings.
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By accepting Anakin at such a late age, the jedi council was also responsible and should have understood the stronger attachment Anakin felt towards his mother and perhaps others.
Just like upper management in a company passes blame down the line to employees, shit rolls downhill in the jedi high council too it seems.
@@spamviking "Yeah, Ani give up your mother, hey Obi, betray the guy who's like a brother to your, kthx".
To them, it was a risk they ultimately took "that they wouldn't have took otherwise" they only bit the bullet with that choice because of anakin's rare and incredibly powerful connection with the force... being the choosen one so to speak, to them it was worth the risk because of the potential he had to contribute with his prowess.
You'd think grandmaster Yoda would train anakin instead of....handing him off to a jedi knight with 0 experience training a padawan, let alone space jesus.
@@manz7860 or Mace, I feel as if Windu could have trained Anakin the way he would have needed to be trained.
Ironically obi wan was attached to Anakin, he loved anakin as a son/brother, he wanted Anakin to be happy. Check the ROS novelization and in deleted scenes.
Or, you know, just the movie. "You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you."
@@wyveriusblackfire3834 what's saddest is that he probably saw him as his little brother. They were both padawans of Qui Gon, and in a way they were both orphaned by him when Maul killed him.
Obi-wan raised anakin pretty much by himself as well as trained him and mentored him so that he could be the best jedi he could possibly be. He "failed" but it wasn't entirely his fault, the jedi council had rigid ways and offered anakin no means to overcome his trauma and the murderous rage that dwelled within him. The Jedi merely took a motherless child filled with rage and fear and turned him into an elite soldier all while trying to clip the only other attachment aside from obi-wan that fostered any feelings of kindness and love in him.
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Anakin: Wait, you are cool with this?
Obi-wan: I banged a Mandalorian diplomat Ani! I'm in no position to judge
He banged?
I mean, I knew they were romantically involved, at one point, but I never thought it went THAT far....
@@spitfire_flyer5659 No i did not
It's not against the Jedi Code to bang away, it was forbidden to have attachments, you can absolutely have one without the other.
Galen Marek yeah
Obi wan was trying to hint Anakin and Padme that they were too obvious and needed to keep it low profile, but those two idiots though they were the masters of deception... in reality everyone on Couruscant knew
I believe in season 6 ( rise of Clovis ) when obi wan goes to talk to anakin in his room (after anakin beat Clovis up in padme's apt). Obi wan wasn't telling anakin to stop his feelings for padme, obi was telling anakin to stop being so obvious with his feelings
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No lol, the Jedi were obviously blind to this relationship. The only Jedi who knew of them were Obi-Wan and Ahsoka. But it is implied that the younglings knew, but that would be pretty confusing if they knew of this relationship and the Jedi Council did not.
JackeMon03 He never implied the younglings knew, he said every youngling/Padawan could find where he was because he was hinting that their secret relationship skills sucked and it was obvious to Obi Wan & some members of the council that they were more than just ‘friends’. He just meant he could see right through their facade they put up all the time just like many others like Yoda, Ahsoka, etc.
rainefyre well I’m pretty sure yoda stopped believing they were in a relationship after he planned the break up or else he would have spoken up again.
Because Obi-Wan found bits and pieces of his humanity when he was training Anakin, who was already exposed to so many attachments, and had suffered greatly as an outcast Padawan, and a slave. He was not without empathy to Anakin's struggles being an outcast before Qui-Gon came to train him.
Obi-Wan knew the Jedi way was to let go, but as a friend and a fellow human being, he knew if one person in the Galaxy deserved some semblance of Happiness, it would be his son....his brother, Anakin, because he knew from the get go, Anakin's training was not traditional anyways.
Or, you know, his past relationship with Satine and how the two developed feelings for one another but decided set aside whatever feelings they had for each other and continue on with their duties and responsibilities (being a Jedi annf being a leader of the New Mandalorians respectively). Obi-Wan deep down regretted not being with her and was worse when she died thx to Maul when Satine confessed that she still loved him and so wanted Anakin to not have to make the same decision he did and let him experience something that he himself couldn’t by keeping Anakin’s marriage with Padmé a secret.
He was tired of hearing his Padawan choking his light saber thru the force
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Honestly, I see people shock that Obi-Wan knew from a scene in the CW where Anakin contacts Padme in season 7. Legitimately, it would be more shocked if Obi-Wan didn't knew.
I always like reading sections of the lore related to this topic for this reason as well, as it's nice finding evidence that Obi-Wan did know in some capacity. Thank you for watching!
I always assumed Obi-Wan at least knows they have an romantic interest in each another, seeing that Obi-Wan actually knows about their relationship but just doesn't do anything was a really cute moment and really important for their master-student connection imo..
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*_" Mocking, sarcasm, ironic agreement... the Trolling side of the force they are._*
*_A side I wish to master. "_* - Obi Wan
Kenobi knows cause him and Padme smashed..... into each other walking down the street one day.
Obi wan didn't do anything because he knew how anakin had felt for padme the same way obi wan felt for dutchess satine , but obi wan let him continue because obi wan didn't continue his love
I had a stroke trying to understand this comment
@@leftenantthunder hahaha me too
@@leftenantthunder I fixed it
Obi-Wan did say he would've left the Jedi Order if Satine asked him to. That just proves how Obi-Wan felt about the Jedi's strict rules on forming attachments.
"I hope you at least told Padme I said hello."
That moment was awkward
Dion R yup
I wonder how the conversation would have turned out, if it would have gone any longer beyond that point.
@Dion R you forgot the there to pair with that hello
The look on Capt. Rex' face was PRICELESS.
This is one of the reasons why I hold Obi-wan as my favorite character in all of Star Wars. He is THE Jedi of the series, one who holds the ideals of the Jedi dear, but never loses his connection with those around him, and complete strangers. This compassion, understanding, and desire for others to find their own path makes me glad that even the canon (So far) has not changed that about him.
Yea Obi-Wan is the GOAT
Same for Luke. Luke's Jedi Order is the best ever.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 I agree, though I view this slightly differently. Luke is the best Jedi of the new era (at least in Legends) by understanding the faults of the order and finding a new path for the Jedi. Obi-Wan, however, is the best of the previous era as he was an example of what a jedi should be: compasionate, but not detached from others; always willing to reach an understanding, but ready to fight in self-defense; and willing to break the jedi dogma if he felt it hampered his ability to do good for others.
@@bradleybourgeois4710 I disagree. Qui-Gon was the best of the Republic.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 I see your point, but when he died the title in my mind went to Obi-Wan as he was the closet to his master's stance on being a jedi. Not saying your wrong, but after Qui-Gon died the closet replacement for him was his pupil Obi-Wan.
That is one of Anakin's best qualities, his loyalty to those he trusts. As Ahsoka, herself told Ezra, "What would have surprised people was how kind he was. He cared deeply about his friends and looked out for them until the end."
That's why so many people could get along with him, Rex, the other Clones, Ahsoka, R2, Obi-Wan, and so on. True that loyalty could be manipulated as Palpatine did, but still it was always coming from a good place that loyalty and trust. That's why he never seems to mind when Obi-Wan or even Ahsoka talks about him and Padme, or why he even let Rex in on it too, as seen in both Clone Wars season 7 and the unfinished episodes the first 4 were based on. While they obviously don't know about the marriage they can all tell those two have feelings for each other, and while Obi-Wan may have some concerns he respects their decisions and hopes it will all work out in the end, just like the others.
And boy thanks to Palpatine's meddling did they bet the wrong Tantan in that race. XD.
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I just watched that 5 minutes ago lol
Only cared about for Legends.
Obi-wan didn't want Anakin to feel the same pain as he did when he cared about someone
Kitsune Metal pain part of life..and the Force.. Obi Wan cudve done with better guidance from Council overall
@@neilmurphy966 The council were misguided too. They had a history of bad decisions.
@@Elyseon
Like the out right genocide of the Sith species during the great Hyperspace war. And likely after the Great Galactic war.
@@thorshammer7883 To be fair, the Sith did most of it to themselves.
@@thorshammer7883 Don't forget The Mandalorian Wars.
In short, Obi-Wan and Anakin were bros. The Bro Code had higher meaning, and weighed more than the Jedi Code. Barney Stinson would've been so proud.
Idk why I’m so addicted to Star Wars
*_Star Wars is love, Star Wars is life_* ^_^
So you’ve got an addictive personality huh?
*You wanna buy some deathsticks?*
Jaela Komnena naw already smoked a joint before putting on the new star wars the clone wars episode with Chinese food
Brandon Travis Rodriguez agreed
@@Burning-Twilight Not till disney bought it from george.
Anakin wasn't the only one in the jedi order having a relationship
Because he already knew what Anakin needed, a family and stability
“you were my brother, Anakin”
Obi-Wan could never snitch on a brother
My sister who I was closed to snitched on me! I could never snitch on her but she did to me ! To this day I don’t talk to her anymore. I probably won’t ever again. I usually don’t bring her up. The only times that happens is if I happen to be reading an article like this.
Anakin had so few people in his life that loved him that removing him from padme would have been borderline inhumane. Padme kept him grounded, happier. He only snapped when he thought he'd lose her. Obi-Wan could see that because he wasn't an idiot.
In "The Approaching Storm" novel..I think Obi Wan had bit of a thing for Luminara Unduli..but it wasn't acted on..it was a more mature respect between individuals and equals.. I think yr right in that Obi Wan did his best to bring up Anakin and care for him.. both of them were more alike than they'd admit!
Hmm this is interesting. Thinking about it the two do have similar mindsets.
Oh?
He even lost his JO hand! Obi knew man
Because The Force won't let Obi-Wan do it
Your right
Dew it
I loved Anakin like a brother. All i wanted is to make him happy.
At least you weren't from Alabama
Who makes these accounts
Obi-Wan knew about Anakin’s relationship to Padme. I’ve also assumed Rex, Ahsoka, Bail Organa, & maybe some other of their close friends knew about their relationship. Didn’t Obi-Wan almost had an relationship Satine Kryze?
Yes and Obi-wan even told Satine in the 2008 Clone Wars series he would've left the Jedi for her.
I feel like obi wan's mistake was that he was not upfront with Anakin about this. ROTS might not would have happened if he were. Anakin would have trusted him with his dream and fears.
Right, instead of blindly trusting in palpatine.
@Paradoxical Nightmare how ironic that the sith may have ended up doing that, and now that i think about it, that would make a lot of sense, specially if you consider the fact that for plenty people, it was Luke and not anakin who was actually the choosen one.
The real issue is that no matter what Obi-wan had done, he knew that Anakin will ignore him and will do whatever he wants anyway. Anakin has never listened to Obi-wan before so why would he start now?
@@loudboy317 that is not necessarily true. He did listen to him in serious matters.
He would have told Anakin that the dream is a dark side trick and not to fall for it
The Jedi Code forbids attachment so I think he knew, just thought Anakin would not take it too far or keep it on the low. When he talks to Padme about Anakin. The sorrow in his voice. When he tells her Anakin is the father. He's very sad,but not surprised.
Obi-Wan: Now, if I were Anakin, where would I be?
Sors Bandeem: Naboo.
*During Order 66 when Anakin finds the younglings*
Anakin: DID YOU RAT ME OUT?!?!
Sors: No
Anakin: LIAR!!!
The jedi detachment led to their downfall. They were never really in control of their emotions because they did not use them which left them blind to deceit and force shadowing. Which in turn led them blind to the sith it left them unable to properly train the chosen one which led to a blood cleansing of the force instead of gaining balance through understanding they had to be wiped off to get it. In honesty they all failed obi-wan did the best job which shity information.
The high council pushed anikan to the dark side than obi wan ever could.
"Laid the boy cannot get." Yoda.
I knew you were going to say that. For loyalty then. And for you. Great video. Thanks.
6:15 just melts my heart, Obi-Wan was just the good hearted Jedi ever
Well that is simple:
a) Obi-Wan (as much as I dislike him for supporting Yoda in foisting off the Palpatine and Vader problem on Luke! Seriously, that's your mess! You clean it up!) is a decent human being (hell, I do call him a jedi-council-drone, but he isn't fully! Not like Mace Windu!)
b) Obi-Wan had his own troubles with the Jedi-Code (Duchess Satin was just one of the women Obi-Wan would have left the order for if she told him that she wanted them to be together! Siri Tachi a fellow padawan was another, as were Lena Cobral and Cerasi)
I would also assume that Obi-Wan was, in a way, living vicariously through Anakin, imagining his connection to Satine and wishing he had the courage to pursue his love the same way Anakin did.
I'd lovee to hear something about the relationship between the young Obi-Wan and Satine, but I don't think there is much information, right?
I was really enjoying this video.
It was well edited, scripted, not rushed or any unnecessary cuts so that it was pleasent to listen to.
Really nicely done! 💯
Obi-wan is put in the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position. Him ignoring Anakin and Padme's relationship like he did throughout the prequels resulted in Anakin becoming Darth Vader, Padme dying, and Luke and Leia being seperated at birth. Even if Obi-wan had told the Jedi council about what Mr. and Mrs. Skywalker were doing behind their backs, they will expel Anakin which will result in him hating both Obi-wan and the Jedi for rejecting him thus, he still becomes Darth Vader and helps Emperor Sidious kill them all only to fail against Obi-wan.
Obi-wan was going to lose Anakin to the Sith no matter what he had done.
If Obi-wan had told the Council about Anakin and Padme around the time of RotS Padme may have ended up joining Anakin to spite the Jedi for what they did to Anakin. Throw Luke and Leia in the mix, and the threat of the Jedi forcefully taking them away and Padme could break.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 nah Padme had morals and cared about democracy
anakin didnt need a master or a friend, he needed a father (qui gon) hence palpatine was able to fill this role and guide him much more easily than the rest
I think one of the flaws of the Jedi Council was asking Anakin to spy on Palpatine, thus creating a rift between his moral values and the Jedi Council ,pushing him further away from the Jedi as they are in his eyes; doing evil acts. They should've found another way or someone else to do this.
They should have known that was a bad idea. They may not have known that Palpatine was the Sith Lord, but they knew he may have a connection. They should have sent any one else, and kept Anakin away as much as possible.
Obi wan walking in on them hello there looks at anikn this time we'll take her together
Synatx error lol
Attachments and emotions, and the Jedi in ability to deal with them was their downfall and flaw. They didn't help Anakin, instead wanting him to stuff his issues.
Also obi won has had his own love interest, if things where different and had she asked he’d left the Jedi order for her to.
Look at Yoda’s face at 0:39! He looks like someone told him a load of BS and he ain’t buying it. “Pssht. Yeah, right homes...”
Short answer, he too much of a bro. Long answer, refer to the video above.
It's kinda funny seeing Obi-Wan described as the prime example of a Jedi because he undoubtedly loved Anakin with his whole being.
He was tasked to raise that kid, not sure what they thought would happen.
I like how the 2008 Clone Wars series stated even Obi-wan had attachments. We see interactions between him and Duchess Satine and it was clear they were in love with Obi-wan even stating he would've left the Jedi for her.
The best insight into your theory comes from the book where they go to Zonoma Sekot. The council let's him fix and release droids which are allowed to work in the temple. Tarkin slips a spy into it that way. The entire order allowed Anakin to get away with a lot. Obi-Wan even more.
I have failed you Anakin... I have failed you...
The jedi order are just as responsible for anakins turn as Palpatine, maybe even more so
The whole *no attachments* rule was horrible since anakin couldn't open up about his feelings and had to hide his relationship. The amount of jedi that turned due to this piece of shit rule is astounding
Not making him a master. It makes no sense. He and obi wan headlined the clone wars, he was on the front lines constantly and achieved a shit ton of victories, including defeating a sith lord. Yet they still don't treat him with respect (like that time he wasn't told obi wan wasnt actually dead)
Being responsible for never seeing through Palpatines deception and playing his game like lap dog bitches
Falsely accusing his padawan Ahsoka for something she didnt do, which ultimately left Anakin heartbroken and feeling somewhat betrayed
They didn't make him a master not because he hadn't proved himself in battle. Of that they knew he was one of their best. No it was because of his emotions. He had serious problems keeping his emotions in check. Now mind you this is because of his tragic childhood and hardships and of course not getting the proper help to deal with it. But for the Jedi they thought he should have brushed all of this aside or at least better handled them on his own.
In short if Anakin had been more emotionally stable/mature they probably would have made him a master after killing Dooku.
The no attachment rule is actually incredibly smart even Darth malgus killed his lover because he recognized for a dark sider love is weakness.
@@TheDixieBassMan It can be both good and bad. Good because no one can used friends and loved ones to impair or force you to do actions you wouldn't normally do. But bad because you are denying yourself basic emotions and true companionship. No one should be forced to live their lives without loving another person or being allowed to have close kinship with others.
Malgus may have killed his wife but he took no joy in the matter. And felt great grief after the fact.
Brandon Travis Rodriguez no for long he didn’t nor did he regret it. When you have the potential to destroy mountains and in some case planets the last thing you need is emotional attachment blinding your better judgement.
@@TheDixieBassMan Yeah if you want to be a full blown Socio/Psychopath then yes forget emotional attachment at least when it comes to the Sith.
If all the republic had found out about their relationship it would look as tho the Jedi were penetrating political and royal power also would seem as the Jedi were no different from the sith. From my point of view the "Chosen One" should never of had been made a Jedi.
It's an interesting shift we see in Obi-Wan's growth over the course of his time in the SWU. He's trained by a bit of a rogue, takes on the role of training someone the High Council didn't even want trained out of a sense of loyalty to his deceased Master, becomes almost ideological in how he views the Force and Jedi as a Master himself, then slowly realizes some of the ideals he's espousing aren't as black and white as the HC would have him believe and begins to make decisions based on loyalty instead (again). Too bad that personal growth came full circle after Anakin had already been pushed to the brink of the Dark Side in desperation over potentially losing Padme and only needed the catalyst of seeing the hypocrisy of members of the HC at work to push him over the edge.
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I think one of the other reasons Obi-Wan didn't try harder to end things between Anakin and Padme, and a major one, was Satine, the woman Obi-Wan loved (who was still alive at this point), and he probably would have left the order for her if she'd asked. Therefore, Obi didn't want to feel like a hypocrite.
attachments didnt make anaikin go to the darkside, anything would have. His emotions and anger were always a danger, but also his strength
attachment leads to fear of loss
Yoda made that clear to Anakin
he sensed much fear in Anakin in Episode 1
the fear of Anakin losing his mother
Anakin: You... know.
Obi-Wan Of course I know, and to be fair so does everyone else. Hearing the echoes of Padme yelling, "Oh yes! Yes! Anakin, plunge your light saber right into my dark side!" isn't exactly subtle and her yelling can be heard for miles on a cold night.
Anakin: And you won't stop us?
Obi-Wan: Look, if I do that, we're shit out of luck for episodes 4-6.
“Never betraying his friends”
Yeah, okay buddy
Love every single video that you do, amazing work bro keep doing those amazing videos I really enjoy it 💪
I know we’re talking about legends but I like how obi tells anakin to say hi to padme in season 7 after he snuck to call her in a clones bunker
Ironic loyal to people until he thought he had to choose between everyone and Padme
"Every Padawan on Coruscant knows where to find you"
Me: Smooth Obi
1. As a teacher, Obiwan wanted Anakin to figure this relationship out on his own, the same way he had to figure out Dutchess Satine. Outside interference would only make it worse.
2. At the start of the Clone Wars on Geonsis when Padme fell out the gunship, Anakin told Obiwan he was ready to quit the Order right then to save her.
This meant Obiwan had to tred lightly as Anakin was already one foot out the door. Obiwan didn't want what could be the greatest Jedi the Order had ever seen rage quitting so easily.
3. There was a bit of ego there on Obiwan's part. He made a promise to Qui-Gon to train Anakin, and Obiwan also wanted to be a Jedi Master. In order to obtain the rank of Jedi Master, he would have to find a way to mentally get Anakin ready for the Jedi Trials. So allowing Anakin to walk away from the Jedi Order would of be failure on Obiwan's part both to his dying Master and his Career.
Obi-Wan didn't interfere because he had his own relationship going on with Duchess Satine of Mandalore.
Exactly! He had ZERO room to talk at all.
I believe he even had one or two more flings with fellow Jedi in Legends as well, he really had a way with ladies but then in Legends tons of Jedi were actually romancing somebody lol. Qui-Gon had one, years before Phantom Menace, Kit Fisto had something going on with Aayla Secura. Quinlan Vos but with a spy, not Ventress. Ki-Adi-Mundi had a wife (or more?) with plenty of children because his race had a really crap birth rate so he had an official dispensation.
Because Obi Wan knew that driving those two away from each other would only lead down the path of loss, which can't bring you closer to the dark side.
Plus, it's not as though Obi-Wan has much room to judge, given his past relationships with Siri Tachi and Satine Kryze.
This is the most heart warming story in StarWars. Obi-Wan was just so relentlessly a good person
Anakin Skywalker... Fifty percent man, fifty percent machine, TWO HUNDRED PERCENT MOTHERFUCKING LOYALTY!
padme: what are you doing here obi-wan?
obi-wan: officially i am here to inform you that you have to cut your ties with anakin and end your relationship. unofficially im just gonna chill here for a bit and pretend we had that talk and pretend i have no knowledge of you two.
padme: ...
obi-wan: mind if i make myself a drink while we wait?
I wonder if Obi-Wan was more lenient and understanding with Anakin, because of his relationship with Satine? Obi-Wan knew what it was like to be tempted to leave the Jedi Order for the love of a woman, so perhaps he felt it would be hypocritical of him to expert more from Anakin.
From the Clone Wars Dutchess Satine always had Obi Wans heart. If she would have asked. He would have left the Jedi Order. Maul took Satine away from Kenobi in season 5
Dude Obi-Wan was so chill
I've always heard Anakin ultimately valued relationships over morals. But I kinda think Obi-Wan does too.
I always saw it as he did not get his love so he was not going to c-block
The way I see in the prequel movies, it would seem that some Jedi shut down their emotions to not let the dark side get to them. But the more they struggle, the more it would hurt when the emotions of pain and suffering comes back. There was no shame to have attachments, in the case of characters in the books, detachments would only lead to pain and depression.
Taking a look at bonds between student and mentor, it seemed that sometimes that the emotional attachments whether it was a family member or a partner, it was the strongest boost the character can be given. Even in the end that nothing works out, we have to value while it lasts with loved ones.
Take it from Katniss Everdeen, the reason she keeps fighting in the Hunger Games, was because after she took her younger sister's place in the Games, all Katniss can ever think of was going home for her mother and sister, even if it means that something traumatic will happen.
In the end, it came to the point that Katniss can't save everyone she cared about, even her sister. But to honor her, she and Peeta wrote a book dedicated to Prim (Katniss' sister), and to all others they lost.
It’s because Obi-Wan Kenobi had a love interest to as a Jedi so he naturally understood Anakin’s unique circumstances there’s your answer
Anakin would have left the order if they’d tried to make him leave padme
I think another reason why Ben understood what Anikin was going through is based off the clone wars the cartoon series. Where Ben knew about attachment & love for the senator from Mandalore Satiel (I know its misspelled) where right before she died he admitted that he did love her & he would have left the Jedi Order had she asked
kiddtaak Ben?
Anakin needed a master who was more of a father and less of a brother
Qui-Gon
That's the beauty and problem of attachments: they're not just focused on *romantic* love, but also *brotherly* and *fatherly* love.
He also just thought at best Palpatine was just a shady politician
This makes episode three even more tragic... Fuck
This really makes me think that Windu should have been picked as his master instead. Someone who could understand how the dark side works and then use it, while still standing firmly in the light would have been able to help Anakin work through his ‘bad’ habits. Although, then we would likely have never gotten the story we did.
Obi-wan acted as his brother when Anakin needed a father.
ugh.
Wild space don't get enough credit that deserves a movie or few dedicated clone wars episodes
Am I the only one who noticed Obi Wan is almost always slouched or chilling in his council chair?
(season 7)
Obi Wan: I hope you at least told Padme I said hello!
Attachment is forbidden, but intercourse is not a problem. By other words, to be a fuc*boy is not only permitted but also encouraged if your name is Ki-Adi-Mundi.
Even Yoda kept his mouth shut as we know now he had a kid = Baby Yoda.
Honestly obiwan was wise enough to not say anything it’s not fair for him to just break a relationship like that especially considering the fact he was in a relationship himself not to mention the fact that anakin is a living being the Jedi were so flawed the they forgot that they still have to feel in the end they couldn’t even figure out palpatine was spying and killing them
If only Skywalker knew. I wonder if he did.
Because he was blackmailing Padme for booty calls on the side
wasnt there a elevator scene where anakin is acting hella nervous on his way to meet padme? i mean i think you gotta realize like oh ya this guy wants to get with her
10 days of rest for 1 year? That’s terrible lol he should at least get a month.
If it matters at all, in the table top RPG of Star Wars. It can take two to three days or longer to fly to different star systems. But as for stander military deployment, after doing two tours back to back he should be getting at lest four months of down time.
Its a fucking war bro
I'm a little surprised they were given any leave being warrior monks who were supposed to hold no attachment
Thank you for puting Legends first! You can’t just scrap out decades of lore and story lines because a Typhoon Billion dollar company says so
Obi-Wan didn't just act as a friend, he acted as a brother...
It is clear that anakin needed master or father not a friend. His father and mentor ended up being Palpatine.
actually I think the best example for obi wan knowing is from Clone Wars Season 7 Episode 2, when he catched Anakin talking with Padme on the holo.
I wish they woulda put more skins in BF2, like Anakin’s blue robe from obsession here or his tattooed skin from CW vol.2 they’d be dope. Especially the latter.
Their "secret" relationship was one of the worst kept secrets
I'm pretty sure there Is an episode of the previous seasons where Obi and Ani talk about Padme and Clovis... Obi wan knew about Anakin's love for Padme, but he decided to trust him.
This is the type of thing that would have been really nice to see in the prequels. Not having it is why it's so jarring to see Anakin and Obiwan go from constantly arguing in Episode 2 to palling around at the beginning of Episode 3. Obiwan needed to have some kind of character arc related to his handling of Anakin, a point in Attack of the Clones where he stops trying to fight Anakin, choosing instead a more flexible approach. Instead all the most important and interesting character development happens off-screen.
This shows I feel how much Anakin really ment to Obi Wan as a friend or brother.