Finally we are arriving to the reality of adv motorcycles, no need of 170 Hp beasts , heavy and with a Space Shuttle console instead of a clear screen.
I love the look of it. The exhaust layout looks clean, and quite hidden away from potential damage too. Time for Honda to release a 450 Rally with a good service interval too.
Got tired of waiting for Honda/Yamaha and company to make something decent and not too expensive, just sold my crf 300 l a few weeks ago, great bike, nice luggable engine but bad suspension and brakes for someone who wants to go a bit faster (also Honda OEM parts and service too expensive for what it is) and also a bit on the heavier side (yes, weight is relative but 142 kgs on tight technical terrain is still heavy imo), just ordered an AJP SPR 250, same power, 20/30 kg less, superb aluminium/steel frame, Sachs fully adjustable suspension and Brembo brakes, with bash plate and handguards included, rear tank lowering even more the centre of gravity and a nice spreaded gearbox for dual sport riding with dirt bias and an acceptable 3000 Kms between oil changes, for just a bit over 6000€, that's the same as the Honda offering but imo much better bang for your buck, and the engine is the more than proven Husky/SWM unit, just my 2 cents for people who, as me, are tired of the big 4/euro manufacturers making the same cheap stuff year after year without innovating much and not offering the best bang for your buck (btw sorry for any grammar mistakes, I'm from Spain hahah)
This pre production model is just stunning. Hope ktm does not change anything, and gives us the same bike featured in the video. This model looks great. Simply love it ❤❤❤😊
I love the CRF Rally's utilitarian design, suspension and balance of off-road and on-road capabilities... however, the Rally has one HUGE defect that makes no sense to me, why does it come exclusive with a 300cc? I can understand why someone might prefer such a tiny displacement, but it's TOTALLY underpowered to go anywhere further than your local Wallmart. That's what makes me so exited about the KTM 390 Adventure! It'll be (likely) a capable off-road machine with comparable suspension (though hopefully regulated), that will have a real thumper, contained within it!
This new 390 absolutely looks more off-road focused.... 👍 Even though I just bought a 2020 DRz400 to use as a light ADV \ trail bike, I'm happy to see more small ADVs coming out as capable off-road bikes... Because, in the real world, with us real riders these small machines make the best dual-sports and are actually usable all conditions.
i hope the weight will be less than 690enduro. 170kg seems little bit high.. the design is stunning. If we can see this model in the fields, it would be a nice upgrade that can be purchased instead of the Honda CRF300 or CFmoto 450MT
Happy Christmas Solid. I am so fed up with manufacturers worm dangling. My XR250 is old, reliable and I can fix it. It would take a hell of a lot to get me to part with any money now. Maybe if they would take the trouble to talk to me. Thanks for all the info and insights. Regards William.
My buddy is “A” class rider- guy can rip on anything. Ktm ‘s Yamaha’s- his personal choice is a XR 250 , bored to 270 - It’s not fast, it’s ugly, but he has maybe 1200 usd invested in it. His riding buddies are on Ktm 300’s that they have 13,000 usd into. Haha. He goes and does anything they do.
Dad an i both had 390s an both went back for refunds at 147 and 269 miles riddled with issues, they dont cover the TFT in the UK under warranty ite a major issue at altitude and in winter expensive part to replace. Dads had tons of issues with the fly by wire as well. Luckily we managed to get our money back. Its a shame as they were fun to ride (standing up position was rubbish) the exhaust position looks a nightmare on the new one for water ingress lets hope they move it. Great video Solid, i hope they get it right this time round.
So good you mentioned the front mud guard... as I mentioned in previous "Adventure bike" videos... need some space between the tire and mudguard, especially in real "adventure situations" in Australia, compared to Europe. That was the first thing I noticed. At my age, almost 54, (and knee reconstruction next year) I might have to move on from 15 years on a WR450 with big Acerbis tank.. soon, soon-ish ... maybe... and an "Adventure bike" like this, with decent travel and the Dunlops I have used for 20+ years would/could be the go. With the good tires, and weight, I can see that this bike could be a good bike to get you from Cairns to Cape York at the end of the dry season, if riding with a group of friends. At the least, you could go Cairns to Weipa, both places the a great location to go on an ADVENTURE ride in Australia. Nice update, thanks Solid!
Hopefully the ergonomics make it suitable for hours of stand up riding. The old 390 ADV was a non-starter due to sit-down ergos. I would like to see a 390 Enduro as well... though would rather it be a "490". I'm hoping we will rediscover that 1/2 liter engines were the sweet spot all along, before the demise of the ICE.
Makes me think Suzuki is missing out with the DRZ400S. The first thing I thought of when seeing the new KTM was, hey, a new DRZ. I had a new 2000 DRZ400S 23 years ago. Loved that bike.
I recall how eagerly people looked forward to the launch of the current 390ADV, only to be disappointed by low ground clearance, reliability issues, lack of torque unless you thrash the revs, cramped ergos for many. It flopped in sales even with the marketing hype. Reliability is the biggest problem with all KTMs. I wouldn't wait for this if the new Himalayan takes off.
That song is old and tired. My 1290 SAR has been more reliable than my mate's 1200GS. 38k kms on the clock and only had one small issue that was sorted out quickly. 2019 model.
New Himalayan has bad riding ergo for highway riding. It's a bit too heavy for any real adventurous terrain. The rear brake position is also bad. The paid influencers aren't telling anything.
390 adventure R, little brother of 690. But it will need to be 145-150kg to pull that off properly. I have a sneaky feeling all hell is about to break loose in this segment. About time.
Estoy totalmente de acuerdo, chroniclesofsolid, que, si KTM hiciera 390s Adv más asfálticas, como la actual, pero con posibilidad de asiento a 82 cm del suelo, un modelo R y un modelo Rally, tendrían cubierto todo el espectro de usuarios que deseamos una moto potente, ligera y capaz y ya no necesitamos 10.000 caballos en una moto. Tras 45 años de motos, creo sinceramente que con los tiempos que corren, de 40 a 80 caballos son suficientes para casi todos nosotros en este tipo de motos. Poseo ahora una 390 Adventure y aunque he conducido motos altísimas pero ligeras de enduro y gordas y pesadas maxitrail, estuve a punto de no comprar la KTM 390 Adventure por su excesiva altura de asiento. Mi celtibérico 1,70 cm de altura no da para más, ya que maniobrar, remar o hacer pie en situaciones difíciles en una moto que tal y como la llevo, con alforjas, maletón Givi Outlander de 58 litros, pantalla grande y demás accesorios roza los 190 kilos se complica. Mi motor 390 es divertido y capaz, aunque como sabes, no le gusta a pesar de ser un monocilíndrico ir en bajas rpms. Si lo han mejorado un pelín, en torque, bajos, medio y altos, esta KTM 390 Adventure, creo que es una moto genial, como utilitario diario. Para viajes en solitario y curveo en zonas muy ratoneras, y paseo por tierra sin pretensiones, habrá pocas motos que le hagan sombra. Si KTM no baja la altura de sus asientos, como lo hizo en su día BMW con sus grandes, pero accesibles de altura GSs, miraremos hacia lugares como las CFMoto MT, 450 o HImalayan 2, que a pesar de que son algo más pesadas, la altura de asiento va a ser muy accesible para todo tipo de pilotos.
Looks more like a smaller version of the 690 Enduro R to me, with an 890 windshield and a 390 tank at the front. The 690 is 145 kg dry weight or about 158 kg wet weight, so this new 390 could be around 150 kg wet (not 170 to 180 kg). It'll be quite popular if it is lower weight than 690 Enduro R, lower seat height, lower price but still enough hp to satisfy most riders. Cheers
They didnt want to give the people the 390 they wanted for many years, so now that RE and CFMoto are releasing actually capable small adventure bikes, KTM feels the pressure. Classic. Lets see how heavy the new 390 will be, at least KTM can build their bikes quite lightweight so maybe that will save them.
Partly because of mandatory regs- front and rear ABS, fuel injection and pump, larger heavier muffler, cat converter, evap emissions gear etc. Other things like larger fuel tank capacity, bigger brakes. The DRZ is just a basic old tech dirt bike, which is fine if that's what you want. But hardly comparable to this.
I agree! My CRF300L weighs 140kg and it has all the emissions and ABS! I REALLY want a low weight, high quality bike with good comfort, suspension and power, which this KTM has the opportunity to offer. It would fit nicely between my 1200GS & Husqvarna 501.
Thank you for the A2 explanation, here in the US, I never heard of such a regulation. That being the case wouldn't it be nice if KTM produced a US version with a lighter weight??? @@delusion2987
Might not be a bad bike if you can't get your hands on a dr650, but if you can I would go for the dr650 any day of the week, its lighter with way more torque.
Nice report. I think lowering the RPM's and gaining some low/mid torque is a great idea for this bike. But I'm put off by all the quality complaints. I'm still waiting for that perfect 50/50, light-weight, 450ish motorcycle. Would be lovely if Suzuki could modernize the DR650. Us Baby-Boomers just can't pick up these huge ADV bikes any more.
I can see the sense in bringing it to market as a Gasgas. It would raise brand awareness, compliment the Dakar racing program and not disrupt the KTM 390 model.
It’s amazing how heavy they manage to make these “small “ bikes ….. all I heard from this review is ….. get a 690 it’s got a proven engine with mega performance and weighs less
What a lot of people don't realize about the weight and power figures is that the A2 license restriction caps peak power to 47 and it caps power to weight ratio as well So the 40 to 45 HP bike weighing 160 odd to 180 odd kilograms is what the manufacturer aims for. You need 40 HP minimum for cruising at 80 mph and reaching the tonne Its not like they intentionally make things heavier - rather they design it so that they can reduce costs involved in weight shedding (mostly using steel instead of aluminum). If you look at any of the real dirt bikes they easily shed 30 KG or more for similar power
Great video as always, Solid! Gotta say, this is the first bike I've seen in a long time that I've been even remotely interested in - and I am REALLY interested in this one! If there were an Enduro version as well, it would be a tough choice... Thanks for this coverage, I hadn't seen it anywhere else yet! 👍
This question gets asked every time. Learner license approved, way cheaper, bigger bike generally carry their weight higher so actually feel heaver. And some just like riding small engine bikes.
If they could scrub 20kg, and hit 150, then this would sign the end for the DRZ in my book. I’m in the process of building a FE450 adventure bike. If this releases before the Kove in Australia then it’ll be a real contender for a replacement.
Stick with your FE450 project. Much lighter than this new 390 and heaps more powerful and better handling. This bike will also not have good fuel capacity, thats the way it always is.
G'Day Solid, As someone who owns a GS Rallye-X I couldn't be happier to see the small displacement category getting more love. I'm nowhere near good enough to go throwing my big girl around dirt tracks, but I could absolutely see me ditching the Beemer, getting onto this upcoming KTM AND grabbing a mid capacity road bike. Hell maybe I cold even make my dreams come true and grab a R.E. 650 and throw a sidecar on to take the hounds riding :)
I'm considering a Husky 701 or KTM 690, same bike of course. But happy to wait till the 390 is released. Even though the first 390Adv I bought, had a 'Stalling After Deceleration' issue.
Solid: The 2024 390 duke is lighter than the outgoing model. Lighter wheels and engine, but HEAVIER frame, results in a 2kg, from memory, lighter bike. The engine is not simply stroked, according to KTM it’s a completely new engine design. Yep, every review of the new duke is extremely positive, nice improvement everywhere, especially the engine tractability. And of course there are multiple videos of this fangled new engine shitting its pants. Especially fascinating to see through the oil level view glass is the engine oil boiling away 😂. I’m unhealthily obsessed over the potential of this new model as the adventure. I’m also NOT going to buy buying one from the first years production run. And perhaps unlike the majority here I personally don’t want spokes and longer travel. It’s still fundamentally a road bike and other than rough as hell rocky bush-country roads I am not going to be asking it to be what it isn’t, a dirt bike. So if the new adventure isn’t pleasant enough for longer trips or daily commutes the duke will scrambler mods would suit my needs better.
The internet is full of clowns who wrongly claim KTM are unreliable. I’ve spent hundreds of hours on the KTM 450EXC and never had an issue. I love them.
Here’s what I see. KTM saw the positive response to the recent CF Moto, Kove etc. light ADV/Rally style bike releases and either went yep, “we’re in” or decided to just bring out the updated prototypes we’ve already seen over the last year-or-so to get some interest (though I reckon it’s to former - they were waiting on the Chinese to launch to see if the market was real, or it was just a bunch of us keyboard warriors saying what we want but then spending differently). Also, despite the white Husky frame and the Orange KTM flashes on the saddle, that swingarm (which incidentally looks VERY ‘finished’ to mine) really had the Gas Gas aesthetic to it…
I don't think KTM, or any serious company, is looking to the Chinese for direction. Nor have the Chinese made any significant market impact outside of a handful of paid internet shills promoting them. When you start seeing Kove and CF Moto dealerships popping up near you, and their bikes riding around the streets and trails of your town, then you will know the Chinese have arrived (and God help us all if that day comes.) In the meantime, it's just hype.
Nah. No way. This was a decision made way before it. I think the primary factor was India not china. The current KTM adv faces competition from both himalayan 450 and even triumph 400x in the indian market. They needed to do something to compete. And this will do the job. It may not be the first pick but atleast it would be a viable pick unlike now.
Good point. But ktm may artificially add weight by, for example, putting really heavy exhaust, like 15-20kg. Replacing it for aftermarket one will make the bike much ligher. But, on the other hand, they do not want it to compete with 690 so it has be bo worse
Totally stoked to get one of these...been holding off on getting something else waiting for this to pop! From what I can see, KTM have absolutely nailed this one. Solid, a 3-version lineup would be the icing on the cake, I'd have a tough choice between an Enduro R and Adventure R, but one way or another I am chomping at the bit to grab one of these as soon as I can get my hands on one!
Interesting bike but I struggle to see how they can make the 690/700/701 bikes at 145kg dry yet not come close with smaller bikes like this. Where’s the extra blubber?
Sorry but if it's anything over 160kg I just don't see how anyone could consider this, 180kg is just crazy. Where is all the weight even going? I understand it's made to a price point but that is still impressively heavy.
By the time KTM releases the new KTM 390 rally, I guess RE would launch a lighter Himalayan with lower price and beat them, RE CEO famously says we are ten steps ahead of competition, lets see how this battle goes
NOtice the low slung muffler, under the frame. When its released there will be a big bazooka in the normal place so extra weight. Even 175kg is a fail in my book, especially with only 45PS. Lets hope this doesn't end up as the T7 Mark ii, taking years to be released.
I’m really glad they got rid if that hideous front end. I hope the same follows for the 890 successor. But why not give us a 690Adv! That would be the unicorn!!
Solid have a look again at the weight of the new duke 390. Some indians are reporting its 4kg lighter than the previous duke. There seems to be a lot of misinformation on the weight of the euro spec duke but i think the conclusion is the duke lost weight.
Not sure if I'm excited, as recently bought the 390 adv sw🤣. I might have to upgrade sooner than I thought. Also, I like the looks of the current 390 adv😂I might be in the minority on that one.
I was all set to buy the '23 390 but once I climbed on it was just too short for me. Bought '23 KLR (everyone can groan now). Thought I'd ride ~1k miles/season (I'm in Idaho and don't ride on ice) but did 2500 and had a blast. If this '25 KTM is taller and as capable as anticipated, I'm in.
Finally a new bike I was excited to see; looks great and perfect engine size (400 and under). Range, price and availability will decide it for me. Poor reviews could kill it but I think it’s unlikely to warrant them. No reason to replace my DR650 but I want this bike, hopefully KTM doesn’t screw it up in the home stretch. Great video, thanks.
I currently have a KTM, had a few, a bit of a fan to be fair. However, this bike looks like the the Indian manufactured 390 with a few offroad'y bits bolted on. If this is a case, then its a no go. This would be comparable to a honda 300L. My guess is that this will be ok for commuting and the occassional puddle. Temper your expectations if you have recently been watching 'baja' footage and are now searching for a cross-country weapon.
Wish they would make it into a dual cylinder instead of single. Singles seem to struggle on the open road/freeways and highways. Would love to see a light weight dual cylinder like the Aprilia two cylinder dirt bike they made in the 90's. I think that would have been all the rage had they not banned it from the race track which made Aprilia abandon the project. That think was fast for a dirt bike. Can you imagine a supermoto with that engine?
Thanks for bringing us this news solid! I can see each of the manufacturers stepping up the competition in this segment right before the big push for electric. (Ultimately the manufacturers will see that they shouldn’t abandon ice bikes.) I am happy with my Honda crf300 until a clear winner is crowned.
This one looks much better, KTM should stay with the real off road capabilities and looks. That's why I always liked the old 990 more then the modern models.
Yeah, the current design philosophy seems to turn a lot of people off. I'm included. This new 390 looks really appealing so far. I hope they keep a rally tower/screen similar to that one
I think the design might mean we could see a norden 401 from Husqvarna , because the 901 has a similar fering design with round headlamp which id imagine wouldnt be too hard to fit onto this bike.
Hi I love the simpleand practicable design of my 390 adv. Just for that reason i bought it. The new model, should it com in this vew, could never be mine.☹ best regards from germany and a happy new year.😊
My ‘22 model is just about perfect for general riding and dirt roads. I hope they don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by making the new one too tall and aggressive. I couldn’t care less about a 22-inch front wheel.
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Finally we are arriving to the reality of adv motorcycles, no need of 170 Hp beasts , heavy and with a Space Shuttle console instead of a clear screen.
You must be short in stature, and lacking in talent and funds.
I agree in gerneral, but need is dependent on who wants one or the other.
Need is pretty subjective. Motorcyles are mostly a want rather than a need, unless you commute or race.
I love the look of it. The exhaust layout looks clean, and quite hidden away from potential damage too.
Time for Honda to release a 450 Rally with a good service interval too.
yes please
Or finally getting a DRZ upgrade
Maybe in 2026
Got tired of waiting for Honda/Yamaha and company to make something decent and not too expensive, just sold my crf 300 l a few weeks ago, great bike, nice luggable engine but bad suspension and brakes for someone who wants to go a bit faster (also Honda OEM parts and service too expensive for what it is) and also a bit on the heavier side (yes, weight is relative but 142 kgs on tight technical terrain is still heavy imo), just ordered an AJP SPR 250, same power, 20/30 kg less, superb aluminium/steel frame, Sachs fully adjustable suspension and Brembo brakes, with bash plate and handguards included, rear tank lowering even more the centre of gravity and a nice spreaded gearbox for dual sport riding with dirt bias and an acceptable 3000 Kms between oil changes, for just a bit over 6000€, that's the same as the Honda offering but imo much better bang for your buck, and the engine is the more than proven Husky/SWM unit, just my 2 cents for people who, as me, are tired of the big 4/euro manufacturers making the same cheap stuff year after year without innovating much and not offering the best bang for your buck (btw sorry for any grammar mistakes, I'm from Spain hahah)
When I see another single cylider, small engine with no power: 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
This pre production model is just stunning. Hope ktm does not change anything, and gives us the same bike featured in the video. This model looks great. Simply love it ❤❤❤😊
I'm not sure if I liked the exhaust, I hope they change it, we are talking about a adventure bike and not about a road bike!
there's nothing like taking a brand new motor from KTM into the middle of nowhere on an adventure bike. What could possibly go wrong!
Hopefully CF Moto might produce it…!?😉🤣🤣
thats the old models. the new ones are fine. if theres sth then usually software stuff.
Wait for a year of manufacturing. By then the major problems would be spotted d
Keep Throwing Money 💰
All it is, is a stroked version of the old engine. I doubt much is different otherwise. It should be fine 😬
I love the CRF Rally's utilitarian design, suspension and balance of off-road and on-road capabilities... however, the Rally has one HUGE defect that makes no sense to me, why does it come exclusive with a 300cc? I can understand why someone might prefer such a tiny displacement, but it's TOTALLY underpowered to go anywhere further than your local Wallmart. That's what makes me so exited about the KTM 390 Adventure! It'll be (likely) a capable off-road machine with comparable suspension (though hopefully regulated), that will have a real thumper, contained within it!
I'm thinking this is going to be the closest thing to the fabled unicorn that we have seen yet.
@@MrTmax74 A small and lightweight adv that's REALLY capable of doing both off-road and highway, would be great indeed.
This new 390 absolutely looks more off-road focused.... 👍 Even though I just bought a 2020 DRz400 to use as a light ADV \ trail bike, I'm happy to see more small ADVs coming out as capable off-road bikes... Because, in the real world, with us real riders these small machines make the best dual-sports and are actually usable all conditions.
Suzuki just need to bring out a DRZ400A :)
i hope the weight will be less than 690enduro. 170kg seems little bit high.. the design is stunning. If we can see this model in the fields, it would be a nice upgrade that can be purchased instead of the Honda CRF300 or CFmoto 450MT
Happy Christmas Solid. I am so fed up with manufacturers worm dangling. My XR250 is old, reliable and I can fix it. It would take a hell of a lot to get me to part with any money now. Maybe if they would take the trouble to talk to me. Thanks for all the info and insights. Regards William.
Exactly! And ditto on the XR250!
Merry Christmas 🎄 Will. Nothing wrong with the mighty XR 😎
My buddy is “A” class rider- guy can rip on anything. Ktm ‘s Yamaha’s- his personal choice is a XR 250 , bored to 270 -
It’s not fast, it’s ugly, but he has maybe 1200 usd invested in it.
His riding buddies are on Ktm 300’s that they have 13,000 usd into. Haha. He goes and does anything they do.
Dad an i both had 390s an both went back for refunds at 147 and 269 miles riddled with issues, they dont cover the TFT in the UK under warranty ite a major issue at altitude and in winter expensive part to replace.
Dads had tons of issues with the fly by wire as well.
Luckily we managed to get our money back. Its a shame as they were fun to ride (standing up position was rubbish) the exhaust position looks a nightmare on the new one for water ingress lets hope they move it.
Great video Solid, i hope they get it right this time round.
These are all electric problems from Bosch. Not in first place ktms fault
Hey Solid, loving the hair do!
The best change is getting rid of that hideous KTM headlight
So good you mentioned the front mud guard... as I mentioned in previous "Adventure bike" videos... need some space between the tire and mudguard, especially in real "adventure situations" in Australia, compared to Europe.
That was the first thing I noticed. At my age, almost 54, (and knee reconstruction next year) I might have to move on from 15 years on a WR450 with big Acerbis tank.. soon, soon-ish ... maybe... and an "Adventure bike" like this, with decent travel and the Dunlops I have used for 20+ years would/could be the go.
With the good tires, and weight, I can see that this bike could be a good bike to get you from Cairns to Cape York at the end of the dry season, if riding with a group of friends. At the least, you could go Cairns to Weipa, both places the a great location to go on an ADVENTURE ride in Australia.
Nice update, thanks Solid!
Thats why dakar bikes have tire hugging mudguards huh
Still waiting on a Kawasaki Versys 400 😢. They’re really missing out on an obvious opportunity, imo.
You’re messing with my mind with the shirt change and coffee mug.
Hopefully the ergonomics make it suitable for hours of stand up riding. The old 390 ADV was a non-starter due to sit-down ergos. I would like to see a 390 Enduro as well... though would rather it be a "490". I'm hoping we will rediscover that 1/2 liter engines were the sweet spot all along, before the demise of the ICE.
Makes me think Suzuki is missing out with the DRZ400S. The first thing I thought of when seeing the new KTM was, hey, a new DRZ. I had a new 2000 DRZ400S 23 years ago. Loved that bike.
Yamaha , if you are watching/listening…….a WR450R would smash the market.
🦄
They haven’t listened for 20 years-
I recall how eagerly people looked forward to the launch of the current 390ADV, only to be disappointed by low ground clearance, reliability issues, lack of torque unless you thrash the revs, cramped ergos for many. It flopped in sales even with the marketing hype. Reliability is the biggest problem with all KTMs. I wouldn't wait for this if the new Himalayan takes off.
12k on my 390 all good so far
That song is old and tired. My 1290 SAR has been more reliable than my mate's 1200GS. 38k kms on the clock and only had one small issue that was sorted out quickly. 2019 model.
I have the ktm 1090 Adventure s with 81000Km with no problems
Totally correct. I’ve owned one. Ergos and engine were crap.
New Himalayan has bad riding ergo for highway riding. It's a bit too heavy for any real adventurous terrain. The rear brake position is also bad. The paid influencers aren't telling anything.
390 adventure R, little brother of 690. But it will need to be 145-150kg to pull that off properly. I have a sneaky feeling all hell is about to break loose in this segment. About time.
Would still like a 390 Enduro. Light dual sport like a smaller 690
Estoy totalmente de acuerdo, chroniclesofsolid, que, si KTM hiciera 390s Adv más asfálticas, como la actual, pero con posibilidad de asiento a 82 cm del suelo, un modelo R y un modelo Rally, tendrían cubierto todo el espectro de usuarios que deseamos una moto potente, ligera y capaz y ya no necesitamos 10.000 caballos en una moto. Tras 45 años de motos, creo sinceramente que con los tiempos que corren, de 40 a 80 caballos son suficientes para casi todos nosotros en este tipo de motos.
Poseo ahora una 390 Adventure y aunque he conducido motos altísimas pero ligeras de enduro y gordas y pesadas maxitrail, estuve a punto de no comprar la KTM 390 Adventure por su excesiva altura de asiento. Mi celtibérico 1,70 cm de altura no da para más, ya que maniobrar, remar o hacer pie en situaciones difíciles en una moto que tal y como la llevo, con alforjas, maletón Givi Outlander de 58 litros, pantalla grande y demás accesorios roza los 190 kilos se complica. Mi motor 390 es divertido y capaz, aunque como sabes, no le gusta a pesar de ser un monocilíndrico ir en bajas rpms.
Si lo han mejorado un pelín, en torque, bajos, medio y altos, esta KTM 390 Adventure, creo que es una moto genial, como utilitario diario. Para viajes en solitario y curveo en zonas muy ratoneras, y paseo por tierra sin pretensiones, habrá pocas motos que le hagan sombra.
Si KTM no baja la altura de sus asientos, como lo hizo en su día BMW con sus grandes, pero accesibles de altura GSs, miraremos hacia lugares como las CFMoto MT, 450 o HImalayan 2, que a pesar de que son algo más pesadas, la altura de asiento va a ser muy accesible para todo tipo de pilotos.
Looks more like a smaller version of the 690 Enduro R to me, with an 890 windshield and a 390 tank at the front. The 690 is 145 kg dry weight or about 158 kg wet weight, so this new 390 could be around 150 kg wet (not 170 to 180 kg). It'll be quite popular if it is lower weight than 690 Enduro R, lower seat height, lower price but still enough hp to satisfy most riders. Cheers
CCM GP450 dry weight 125Kg!
They didnt want to give the people the 390 they wanted for many years, so now that RE and CFMoto are releasing actually capable small adventure bikes, KTM feels the pressure. Classic.
Lets see how heavy the new 390 will be, at least KTM can build their bikes quite lightweight so maybe that will save them.
Great report thanks Solid.
But why are these things so heavy?
The pre historic DRZ400 is 144kgs wet.
Keen to see the Kove in Australia.
Don't forget a 1978 Honda XL500S was about the same at 135kg dry.
Partly because of mandatory regs- front and rear ABS, fuel injection and pump, larger heavier muffler, cat converter, evap emissions gear etc. Other things like larger fuel tank capacity, bigger brakes. The DRZ is just a basic old tech dirt bike, which is fine if that's what you want. But hardly comparable to this.
no emissions standarts, no cat, no ABS, etc.. that was a wonderful time@@kalaharimine
I agree! My CRF300L weighs 140kg and it has all the emissions and ABS! I REALLY want a low weight, high quality bike with good comfort, suspension and power, which this KTM has the opportunity to offer. It would fit nicely between my 1200GS & Husqvarna 501.
Thank you for the A2 explanation, here in the US, I never heard of such a regulation. That being the case wouldn't it be nice if KTM produced a US version with a lighter weight??? @@delusion2987
I guess the Himalayan looks and success finally got their attention.
Nice looking bike KTM
Might not be a bad bike if you can't get your hands on a dr650, but if you can I would go for the dr650 any day of the week, its lighter with way more torque.
Don't know what to believe, we've been seeing spy shots of bikes like these for almost 10 years now
Nice report. I think lowering the RPM's and gaining some low/mid torque is a great idea for this bike. But I'm put off by all the quality complaints. I'm still waiting for that perfect 50/50, light-weight, 450ish motorcycle. Would be lovely if Suzuki could modernize the DR650. Us Baby-Boomers just can't pick up these huge ADV bikes any more.
1,100 miles on my 2022 Adventure 390 (bought in early 2023). So far so good!
I've beat it up already and it still runs like a champ.
170 - 180kgs?! May as well get a 690 enduro! In the meantime ill stick with my adventure set-up 500exc only 110kgs 😅
Exactly
I can see the sense in bringing it to market as a Gasgas. It would raise brand awareness, compliment the Dakar racing program and not disrupt the KTM 390 model.
Yup, or a baby Norden.
Look far better in red
It’s amazing how heavy they manage to make these “small “ bikes ….. all I heard from this review is ….. get a 690 it’s got a proven engine with mega performance and weighs less
What a lot of people don't realize about the weight and power figures is that the A2 license restriction caps peak power to 47 and it caps power to weight ratio as well
So the 40 to 45 HP bike weighing 160 odd to 180 odd kilograms is what the manufacturer aims for.
You need 40 HP minimum for cruising at 80 mph and reaching the tonne
Its not like they intentionally make things heavier - rather they design it so that they can reduce costs involved in weight shedding (mostly using steel instead of aluminum).
If you look at any of the real dirt bikes they easily shed 30 KG or more for similar power
after at least 10 years, one good design!!!
Disappointing if its 170kg+, should be aiming for 150's. Can't wait to see the platform develop.
There is a price tag for 150kg bike. Do not forget that.
Great video as always, Solid! Gotta say, this is the first bike I've seen in a long time that I've been even remotely interested in - and I am REALLY interested in this one! If there were an Enduro version as well, it would be a tough choice... Thanks for this coverage, I hadn't seen it anywhere else yet! 👍
Thanks mate 👍
how about a 590/690 adventure, 70/80 hp, pkg for short riders
390 must be comfortably under 180kg to be interesting in my view.
Why would you go for it if it isn't 20kg under the 700+cc bikes?
Price. Or license restrictions.
This question gets asked every time. Learner license approved, way cheaper, bigger bike generally carry their weight higher so actually feel heaver. And some just like riding small engine bikes.
They need a KTM 390 Enduro R!
Oh yes!
If they could scrub 20kg, and hit 150, then this would sign the end for the DRZ in my book.
I’m in the process of building a FE450 adventure bike. If this releases before the Kove in Australia then it’ll be a real contender for a replacement.
20kg/44lbs is a LOT of weight to drop off a small bike.
How would you go about achieving that on a production model set to sell for less than $6k USD?
Stick with your FE450 project. Much lighter than this new 390 and heaps more powerful and better handling. This bike will also not have good fuel capacity, thats the way it always is.
The DRZ has already ended. They’ve stopped making them.
390 Enduro R at sub 150kg please and cheaper than the 690❤
At 53 and with health issues I’d buy this …lightweight, stylish and manageable ✔️
G'Day Solid,
As someone who owns a GS Rallye-X I couldn't be happier to see the small displacement category getting more love. I'm nowhere near good enough to go throwing my big girl around dirt tracks, but I could absolutely see me ditching the Beemer, getting onto this upcoming KTM AND grabbing a mid capacity road bike. Hell maybe I cold even make my dreams come true and grab a R.E. 650 and throw a sidecar on to take the hounds riding :)
Wouldn't mind one of those 650 super meteors if you're buying😜
I'm considering a Husky 701 or KTM 690, same bike of course. But happy to wait till the 390 is released. Even though the first 390Adv I bought, had a 'Stalling After Deceleration' issue.
Solid: The 2024 390 duke is lighter than the outgoing model. Lighter wheels and engine, but HEAVIER frame, results in a 2kg, from memory, lighter bike. The engine is not simply stroked, according to KTM it’s a completely new engine design. Yep, every review of the new duke is extremely positive, nice improvement everywhere, especially the engine tractability. And of course there are multiple videos of this fangled new engine shitting its pants. Especially fascinating to see through the oil level view glass is the engine oil boiling away 😂. I’m unhealthily obsessed over the potential of this new model as the adventure. I’m also NOT going to buy buying one from the first years production run. And perhaps unlike the majority here I personally don’t want spokes and longer travel. It’s still fundamentally a road bike and other than rough as hell rocky bush-country roads I am not going to be asking it to be what it isn’t, a dirt bike. So if the new adventure isn’t pleasant enough for longer trips or daily commutes the duke will scrambler mods would suit my needs better.
Ok, now put the 390 motor in the 500exc frame and we'll have our unicorn perfect adventure bike.
The internet is full of clowns who wrongly claim KTM are unreliable.
I’ve spent hundreds of hours on the KTM 450EXC and never had an issue.
I love them.
390 looks great especially if they do a 3 model range, I'm hoping for a 490 twin ADV
I see a central stand. That's a must on an adventure bike.
Looks like it's got much better ground clearance than the current version
Still take a Kove 450 Rally over this. If Honda made a consumer version of their 450 rally for around 12-15k usd I'd take notice.
i think this bike will be the market leader in this segment when released
the underbelly exhaust is a bit concerning
Here’s what I see. KTM saw the positive response to the recent CF Moto, Kove etc. light ADV/Rally style bike releases and either went yep, “we’re in” or decided to just bring out the updated prototypes we’ve already seen over the last year-or-so to get some interest (though I reckon it’s to former - they were waiting on the Chinese to launch to see if the market was real, or it was just a bunch of us keyboard warriors saying what we want but then spending differently). Also, despite the white Husky frame and the Orange KTM flashes on the saddle, that swingarm (which incidentally looks VERY ‘finished’ to mine) really had the Gas Gas aesthetic to it…
nah this is obviously longer in the making and not just a spontaneous reaction to developments of other manufacturers.
this is longer in the making
People have been asking for a bike like this for 10+ years. The biggest surprise is that they are finally doing something.
I don't think KTM, or any serious company, is looking to the Chinese for direction. Nor have the Chinese made any significant market impact outside of a handful of paid internet shills promoting them. When you start seeing Kove and CF Moto dealerships popping up near you, and their bikes riding around the streets and trails of your town, then you will know the Chinese have arrived (and God help us all if that day comes.) In the meantime, it's just hype.
Nah. No way. This was a decision made way before it. I think the primary factor was India not china. The current KTM adv faces competition from both himalayan 450 and even triumph 400x in the indian market. They needed to do something to compete. And this will do the job. It may not be the first pick but atleast it would be a viable pick unlike now.
why estimated 170kgs? The 690 enduro weighs 160kg wet with its big thumper (the engine itself is 39kgs!) , so it should weigh similiar or even less.
Agree, it's a single cylinder engine, so it should be 10 kg less than 690.
Good point. But ktm may artificially add weight by, for example, putting really heavy exhaust, like 15-20kg. Replacing it for aftermarket one will make the bike much ligher. But, on the other hand, they do not want it to compete with 690 so it has be bo worse
2025 ??? By 2030 they may figure out what customers want 😂
More torque thanks to the longer stroke . Great this is what Adv bikes are about. Well done . This will sell.
Totally stoked to get one of these...been holding off on getting something else waiting for this to pop! From what I can see, KTM have absolutely nailed this one. Solid, a 3-version lineup would be the icing on the cake, I'd have a tough choice between an Enduro R and Adventure R, but one way or another I am chomping at the bit to grab one of these as soon as I can get my hands on one!
The unicorn is on the horizon!
This should have been 390 adv from the start.
Was just wondering when they would put lc4c in adv
I am glad you made the video hope you follow-up on new updates as well.
Great develeopement for the second hand market....
waiting and waiting........
Great looking! Guess they werent going to let Kove win the segment..lol
399 motor is biggest let down for the 'adventure' moniker.
Looks very good, and I'm interested to see how this comes on to the market - I did note a low exhaust though - hopefully that changes👍
Let's see if this one can stop me buying Honda's 😊
Interesting bike but I struggle to see how they can make the 690/700/701 bikes at 145kg dry yet not come close with smaller bikes like this. Where’s the extra blubber?
Sorry but if it's anything over 160kg I just don't see how anyone could consider this, 180kg is just crazy. Where is all the weight even going? I understand it's made to a price point but that is still impressively heavy.
Kove 450 is 145kg. I'll take that.
@@inrptn KTM 690 is 145 kg dry, so this new 390 should be lighter than that?
looks awesome but low pipe end is a bit of a worry for crossing water?
By the time KTM releases the new KTM 390 rally, I guess RE would launch a lighter Himalayan with lower price and beat them, RE CEO famously says we are ten steps ahead of competition, lets see how this battle goes
I am picking up a brand new KTM 390 Adventure SW this morning, then woke up and saw this! Bugger! Oh well lets hope the reviews are bad. Hahahaha
I like it.
Silly idea but…
Keep the 390 Adventure with 19/17, and sell this as a Husqvarna Norden 400. Or maybe offer the enduro version as a Husky.
THX Solid, it looks like the manufacturers are headed in the right direction. Now if we can only keep petrol around a bit longer.
🤞🤞🤞
NOtice the low slung muffler, under the frame. When its released there will be a big bazooka in the normal place so extra weight. Even 175kg is a fail in my book, especially with only 45PS. Lets hope this doesn't end up as the T7 Mark ii, taking years to be released.
203 written in yellow on the tank. Wonder if they are testing 203mm/8" suspension along with some other lengths?
Good catch!
I’m really glad they got rid if that hideous front end. I hope the same follows for the 890 successor.
But why not give us a 690Adv! That would be the unicorn!!
Solid have a look again at the weight of the new duke 390. Some indians are reporting its 4kg lighter than the previous duke. There seems to be a lot of misinformation on the weight of the euro spec duke but i think the conclusion is the duke lost weight.
Not sure if I'm excited, as recently bought the 390 adv sw🤣. I might have to upgrade sooner than I thought. Also, I like the looks of the current 390 adv😂I might be in the minority on that one.
This one is a beauty ❤
I was all set to buy the '23 390 but once I climbed on it was just too short for me. Bought '23 KLR (everyone can groan now). Thought I'd ride ~1k miles/season (I'm in Idaho and don't ride on ice) but did 2500 and had a blast. If this '25 KTM is taller and as capable as anticipated, I'm in.
Good move, best to get out there and enjoy the time in the now rather than sit and wait for the perfect bike👍
Finally a new bike I was excited to see; looks great and perfect engine size (400 and under).
Range, price and availability will decide it for me.
Poor reviews could kill it but I think it’s unlikely to warrant them.
No reason to replace my DR650 but I want this bike, hopefully KTM doesn’t screw it up in the home stretch.
Great video, thanks.
I hope they keep 3 color options. Orange, Black and White.
Not a bad configuration... wish it was more like 340 wet rather than dry... but it's still 75lbs lighter than the middleweight adv class.
RE just cracked it with the new Himalayan
I currently have a KTM, had a few, a bit of a fan to be fair. However, this bike looks like the the Indian manufactured 390 with a few offroad'y bits bolted on. If this is a case, then its a no go. This would be comparable to a honda 300L. My guess is that this will be ok for commuting and the occassional puddle. Temper your expectations if you have recently been watching 'baja' footage and are now searching for a cross-country weapon.
Wish they would make it into a dual cylinder instead of single. Singles seem to struggle on the open road/freeways and highways. Would love to see a light weight dual cylinder like the Aprilia two cylinder dirt bike they made in the 90's. I think that would have been all the rage had they not banned it from the race track which made Aprilia abandon the project. That think was fast for a dirt bike. Can you imagine a supermoto with that engine?
The new looks much more better looks-look forward to have in country soon…
the hp & torque is with the strict eu emissions. Could eliminate some of that 😏
Thanks for bringing us this news solid! I can see each of the manufacturers stepping up the competition in this segment right before the big push for electric. (Ultimately the manufacturers will see that they shouldn’t abandon ice bikes.)
I am happy with my Honda crf300 until a clear winner is crowned.
👍
the enduro model looks amazing !!!!!!
This one looks much better, KTM should stay with the real off road capabilities and looks.
That's why I always liked the old 990 more then the modern models.
Might be the replacement for the mighty wr250r I have been looking for
Same here. The WR have been super reliable and fun to ride so I would wait for the KTM to prove itself first.
Best looking in its segment.
Perfect bike size for my enjoyment
This looks awesome w
Yeah, the current design philosophy seems to turn a lot of people off. I'm included. This new 390 looks really appealing so far. I hope they keep a rally tower/screen similar to that one
I think the design might mean we could see a norden 401 from Husqvarna , because the 901 has a similar fering design with round headlamp which id imagine wouldnt be too hard to fit onto this bike.
Very encouraging news. I will be 1st in the que.
nice ....
Looks promising.
What happened to the 490 Adv line ? Is it still coming?
Hi
I love the simpleand practicable design of my 390 adv.
Just for that reason i bought it.
The new model, should it com in this vew, could never be mine.☹
best regards from germany and a happy new year.😊
My ‘22 model is just about perfect for general riding and dirt roads. I hope they don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by making the new one too tall and aggressive. I couldn’t care less about a 22-inch front wheel.
I prefer a 21 inch front tyre 😂😂
Sorry Mr. Pierrer, you was too slow. I'm already targeted on the CFmoto 450 😎
(But for 12-15 Kg less I could change idea... 😊)