I've got the 21 Rally Pro. I use it off road a bit, but I have better off road bikes. It is surprisingly good off road. I run it on TrailMax tyres which are good for everything bar mud. The bike is a peach to ride on the road. Solid, one question arises from me. If you're saying adventure touring is tarmac, why isn't it just plain touring? If you want a tall roader, get one. For me adventure touring means having the ability to point a bike at a jeep trail with 20 kgs of kit maximum and no pillion, with confidence that you won't get stranded. If you don't need to get up on the pegs, it's motorcycle touring which is great fun, certainly an adventure but you can do it on any bike. I'm not knocking people whose adv bikes have road pilots, a pillion and 60 kg loads. They're having their Moto fun their way, and they're having their adventure, probably riding roads quicker than I would on sticky rubber.
I have had the Rally Pro for 12 months. I fitted Motoz Tractionator tubeless tyres as soon as it was run in and it transformed the bike. We ride gravel roads, stay off the busy sealed roads as much as possible. Yes it is a heavy bike, but loaded up with gear for a few nights away it is an awesome bike. Love the power, comfort and extras fitted. It is easy to adjust the rear suspension with the pre-load adjuster. I didn't get it to ride single track, got it for adventure riding gravel roads into the back country. Very happy with my choice.
Great timing! I chose the GTPro and take delivery early next week. I have shorter legs so the Rally Pro is just a little too tall for me. Getting excited for the Tiger now.😊🏍️🙌🏻🙏🏼
Just did 160 miles today. 34,000 feet of elevation change. 90 miles groomed dirt jeep trails and 70 pave. Took a lil under 6 hours. Felt super confident on all conditions. ‘21 Rally Pro with Trailmax Raid (Insanely good all around tire). Had the suspension dialed in for offroad, cuz that was the majority today. Last week, did an all pavement ride, 175 miles including the Tail of the Dragon, foot hills parkway. Suspension dialed in for road work. All in all, my Rally Pro is my Goldilocks bike, just feels right everywhere. Especially seeing that I live in the Smoky Mountains and great dirt riding is right outside my front door. Plus killer pavement rides.
Last year I nearly bought a Rally. This year I looked at them again and decided that for my riding mostly in the UK the GT would be the better option. But in the end I bought an older used 2011 Tiger 800 road version. It had 80% of what the Tiger 900 GT offfered for 20% of the price.
I have a 2018 XRX and I like it. I have Michelin Anakee tires on it, which feel very good to me. Mine feels good on gravel but I have not gone true off road with it and I don’t intend to. I’ve had a couple dual sports that I took off road quite a bit but I don’t want to risk banging up my Tiger by taking it off road. Mine has factory cruise and handle grip warmers. I also prefer the sound of our earlier Tigers!
Would disagree, I was looking for a road bike not thinking about off road. Tested gt and rally 2020. Loved how rally floats over pot holes and speed bumps compared to gt. Turn ins for city riding for 19 to 21 inch wheel is minimal difference.
You have a good point. I like a 21" wheel on rough roads. My riding buddy bought a Tiger 800 xcx last year. 21 &17 wheels, lots of suspension and supposedly good off road. He isn't going to ride off road and I lowered the bike to make it easier to move around. It floats over the abundant NY potholes. I'm looking for a Tiger after riding it. A new bike is out of reach for me so an 800 looks good. Looks like the XR's are a lot easier to find and the tubeless tires are easier to repair. I don't do off road but I do ride a lot of gravel roads.
I wish Triumph had a non-T-crank aka classic 120degree crank option, too. I had both the Tiger 800 XCA and a 2021 Rally Pro. The latter I sold due to vibrations unnatural to a true triple.
I too like both bikes,,, I love the idea of remote rear suspension adjustment ,,but also love a 21inch front wheel for the good "Ride" as much as anything... One thing that does put me off both bikes is the exhaust,,,, I wish at least on the GT pro they had kept it lower ...But thats just my opinion and I,m old fashioned....
GT Pro is a lot more off-road capable than people think, within the context of adventure touring rather than off-road desert racing etc. Every world wide record set in motorcycling history has been achieved with a 19 inch front wheel, but the way people (bike salesmen) talk you would think you cant go anywhere without a 21 inch front. For the 15 or 20 percent of the time this type of bike spends off0-road the downgrade in road performance of a 21 v a 19 inch is simply not justified. Also the GT is a much more balanced bike aesthetically, that 21 and 17 on the Rally looks really odd I think.
Yes, totally agree. In fact, I think for most people - ie those who don't tackle particularly demanding terrain - it would be the tyre selection which would influence one's confidence and ability off tarmac far more than suspension travel or wheel size
Agreed, the BMW GS only has a 19 inch front and is the Worlds best selling ADV bike. I had a Tiger 900GT Pro 2020, fantastic bike and considering now going back to one, the one thing I would love is a spoked wheel option, I much prefer spoked wheels and the Rally Pro is too tall for me!
@@paulchambers2296 Kineo wheels offer the solution. 700 grade alloy, the strongest rims available tubeless with a central spine holding the spokes. Check them out.
Damping - restraining of vibratory motion, such as mechanical oscillations, noise, and alternating electric currents, by dissipation of energy. Dampening - To moisten, to make something slightly wet. I'm just being an ass, love your videos, hope the growing family is well.
I just bought a 900 GT Pro in Canada and the price was (after currency conversions to Aussie...) was $3,000 less than what you had to pay - maybe duties, etc. not sure.
The local Triumph dealer has been in the French, Irish, Welsh Quarter of the city for a long time. When I arrived, the sign outside was painted wood in a style that looked like it was from the 1970's. Triumph was really big in Montréal before the Japanese invaded. The dealer looks like a modern Triumph dealer now and there are definitely a few Bonne's around. The ADV style bikes are the ones that catch my eye. I've seen a 1200 Scrambler with knobbies in the neighborhood with mud on it occasionally. There are definitely urbanites that take their bikes out of the city once in a while.
G'day Solid great video as always. I don't normally have a complaint, but the camera shot off the right front is just weird. It makes things look like it's bent.
Hey Solid; I did have a Triumph Tiger 900GT, a very good Touring Bike and fun on the dirt roads, I never took it single track; I had the bike for 3 years and as my Arthritis progressed I found the bike to be too heavy, weight is an issue. An absolute capable bike and rider have taken the bike off road. The price is just too dam high on both bikes; I am happy that you did a review of these bikes; Next the Scramblers..... David...Adelaide.....Triumph Scrambler 1200X.....
I have the 800xc and have ridden the 800xr, and the 21" front is hardly noticeable difference, on and off road, I ride a lot harder on road than off, I am still likely to go for the Rally pro, advantage of tyre choice and not having electronic suspension (which will give you grief later). There are always better bikes to do what you are specifically doing, but the best is the one you have, and understanding the compromises of varied riding,. Mine is a touring, light off-roading, occasionally commuting and city convenience (park anywhere) machine, and both these machines fit into that collective category.
Another good review, Solid. Although I chose the Pro, I don’t disagree with your observations. I’ve been riding my new ‘24 Rally Pro for a couple of weeks now and I really like it. In his reviews Zack Courts always answers the question, “Should you buy this bike just for the engine?” The answer for the Tiger is yes. Hell, yes. It’s a giggle factory. If I was going to be riding often with a pillion, I would have gone for the GT, for the convenience of the electronically adjustable rear suspension. But I won’t, and I will be doing some light off-roading with it, so I went with the Pro. Also, getting at the adjustment knobs on the Pro’s shock is really easy. The GT does turn in a bit quicker, but both are darn near telepathic in the twisties. For a guy who’s been riding as long as I have, it’s astonishing to me that a bike with a 21” front wheel would perform so well on-road. It’s amazing. I actually bought the Rally Pro as a replacement for my Indian Roadmaster; it’s got all the same creature comforts. It’s going to be a superlative tourer. BTW, I have owned Hinckley Triumphs in the past, and they’ve been bulletproof in terms of reliability. Which is why I went with Triumph over KTM, Aprilia, Ducati or BMW. IMHO, Triumph builds more reliable machines. These days, I think they are easily on par with the Japanese makes in terms of reliability. The continental makes still have some work to do in that department. 😃
One other thing. The out-of-the-box suspension settings are much too soft for aggressive riding, on-road or off-road, for a guy my weight (~225 lb.s kitted out). I _think_ I’ll be able to get it dialed in just with pre-load and rebound adjustments, but I may end up having to go to higher spring rates. We’ll see. If you are closer to 150 lb.s, you’ll probably be perfectly happy. If you are a largish human being, you’ll want to take the soft suspension into consideration.
Great video and timely advice. I do like the GT Pro, but am still debating on weight. Current bike is a bush pig, but my days of doing gnarly dirt are rapidly diminishing (if not already a distant memory). Thinking outside the square and looking at an MT450. (Price alone is a winner…… sub $10k versus $24.5k). Before I get howls of condemnation….. yes 2 totally different bikes and one has an excellent track record whereas the other is unproven. Have you tested the MT450 by any chance??? Keep up the excellent work 👍👍👍
They look alright and sound really sweet . Maybe they or the Rally version is more of a competitor to the Africa Twin and similar bikes . Definitely not the or a unicorn , lol .
# Nice video, is a good bike for commuting honestly? daily use (comfortable) and weekend touring, of perhaps recreation purpose? this is better than ktm 890 for my purpose ? I only drive on public roads/highways... it is wise to jump from naked bike to this touring/Adventure for daily use. Any way great video Be safe
I ride a 22 GT Pro in Idaho where 70% of the roads are gravel. I’m running Bridgestone AX 41s and I stay on (mostly) maintained forest roads. I’m 70 and ride with “mature”riders so powerslides and air are not in the equation. The low seat height and electronic rear suspension are very appreciated. Guess my question is, do you think it’s worth a $9000 upgrade? My dealer will only give me $12000.
I think you’re overthinking it Solid, but I guess that’s your job😎 I agree however, a lighter and shorter bike is better in many off-road situations and you don’t always need heaps of ground clearance and suspension travel. Just slow down for the rough stuff. Not always possible, but you can do it.
A 900, middle weight??? I think this is a low end heavy weight. I'm sure it's a great bike, I just feel like it's in the class of the Honda AT and BMW GS. Do guys that are seeking an adventure bike need the extra HP, weigh and options.plus the bigger price tag. I don't think so but to each his own. Awesome info on them both Solid. Cheers from Florida
How did you find the fan exhaust blowing on your legs? I found it over the top on the Rally Pro when riding slowly on a hot day but I haven’t ridden the GT Pro. In the end I opted for a 1200 GT Pro, which is a different bike anyway.
Covered this in depth in the Rally review. Very noticeable on the Rally in anything resembling warm weather and slow speeds. Didn’t notice it on either of the GT’s I road. But that could be just dumb luck 🤷
Personally, I’m not buying ‘electronic suspension’ is a benefit. The fact it’s only as tuneable the installed presets, and only switchable on the rear, says it all. the idea that comp&rbnd is only needed on the rear cos of luggage is half baked. I’ll go out of my way to avoid buying a machine with electronic suspenders…increasingly hard to do in truth. Once upon a time, all bikes came with crappy suspenders. It was a cost saving from manufacturers in the. 70’s, through, 80’s & 90’s..even the noughties…Now we all got to have the latest & greatest electronic gubbins. I’m calling BS. They all do it. Just suck it up people….!! 🙄
Agree with your findings and have ridden both (have a new GTPro as a result) but your statements are entirely wrong about the suspension. The RP just has longer-travel suspension; its not "better ". And Marzocchi is in no way inferior to Showa, which was the take-out from your comments.
Yeah no thanks, These are priced at the midlife crisis Lawyer or Dentists to ride down to local Cafes. Weight wise these are just stupid crazy to be taking off road. It's a no from me dawg.
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I've got the 21 Rally Pro. I use it off road a bit, but I have better off road bikes. It is surprisingly good off road. I run it on TrailMax tyres which are good for everything bar mud. The bike is a peach to ride on the road. Solid, one question arises from me. If you're saying adventure touring is tarmac, why isn't it just plain touring? If you want a tall roader, get one. For me adventure touring means having the ability to point a bike at a jeep trail with 20 kgs of kit maximum and no pillion, with confidence that you won't get stranded. If you don't need to get up on the pegs, it's motorcycle touring which is great fun, certainly an adventure but you can do it on any bike. I'm not knocking people whose adv bikes have road pilots, a pillion and 60 kg loads. They're having their Moto fun their way, and they're having their adventure, probably riding roads quicker than I would on sticky rubber.
I have had the Rally Pro for 12 months. I fitted Motoz Tractionator tubeless tyres as soon as it was run in and it transformed the bike. We ride gravel roads, stay off the busy sealed roads as much as possible. Yes it is a heavy bike, but loaded up with gear for a few nights away it is an awesome bike. Love the power, comfort and extras fitted. It is easy to adjust the rear suspension with the pre-load adjuster. I didn't get it to ride single track, got it for adventure riding gravel roads into the back country. Very happy with my choice.
Great timing! I chose the GTPro and take delivery early next week. I have shorter legs so the Rally
Pro is just a little too tall for me. Getting excited for the Tiger now.😊🏍️🙌🏻🙏🏼
Congrats
Just did 160 miles today. 34,000 feet of elevation change. 90 miles groomed dirt jeep trails and 70 pave. Took a lil under 6 hours. Felt super confident on all conditions. ‘21 Rally Pro with Trailmax Raid (Insanely good all around tire). Had the suspension dialed in for offroad, cuz that was the majority today. Last week, did an all pavement ride, 175 miles including the Tail of the Dragon, foot hills parkway. Suspension dialed in for road work. All in all, my Rally Pro is my Goldilocks bike, just feels right everywhere. Especially seeing that I live in the Smoky Mountains and great dirt riding is right outside my front door. Plus killer pavement rides.
Great feedback mate cheers 👍
@@chroniclesofsolid Does it come with Oxygen tanks? < couldn't resist. >
Western NC is god's gift to motorcycling ! Good to hear about the Rally Pro....
Last year I nearly bought a Rally. This year I looked at them again and decided that for my riding mostly in the UK the GT would be the better option. But in the end I bought an older used 2011 Tiger 800 road version. It had 80% of what the Tiger 900 GT offfered for 20% of the price.
I have a 2018 XRX and I like it. I have Michelin Anakee tires on it, which feel very good to me. Mine feels good on gravel but I have not gone true off road with it and I don’t intend to. I’ve had a couple dual sports that I took off road quite a bit but I don’t want to risk banging up my Tiger by taking it off road. Mine has factory cruise and handle grip warmers. I also prefer the sound of our earlier Tigers!
Would disagree, I was looking for a road bike not thinking about off road. Tested gt and rally 2020. Loved how rally floats over pot holes and speed bumps compared to gt. Turn ins for city riding for 19 to 21 inch wheel is minimal difference.
You have a good point. I like a 21" wheel on rough roads. My riding buddy bought a Tiger 800 xcx last year. 21 &17 wheels, lots of suspension and supposedly good off road. He isn't going to ride off road and I lowered the bike to make it easier to move around. It floats over the abundant NY potholes. I'm looking for a Tiger after riding it. A new bike is out of reach for me so an 800 looks good. Looks like the XR's are a lot easier to find and the tubeless tires are easier to repair. I don't do off road but I do ride a lot of gravel roads.
I wish Triumph had a non-T-crank aka classic 120degree crank option, too. I had both the Tiger 800 XCA and a 2021 Rally Pro. The latter I sold due to vibrations unnatural to a true triple.
Your logic is probably correct on this , Solid. Love that triple engine.
I too like both bikes,,, I love the idea of remote rear suspension adjustment ,,but also love a 21inch front wheel for the good "Ride" as much as anything... One thing that does put me off both bikes is the exhaust,,,, I wish at least on the GT pro they had kept it lower ...But thats just my opinion and I,m old fashioned....
GT Pro is a lot more off-road capable than people think, within the context of adventure touring rather than off-road desert racing etc. Every world wide record set in motorcycling history has been achieved with a 19 inch front wheel, but the way people (bike salesmen) talk you would think you cant go anywhere without a 21 inch front. For the 15 or 20 percent of the time this type of bike spends off0-road the downgrade in road performance of a 21 v a 19 inch is simply not justified. Also the GT is a much more balanced bike aesthetically, that 21 and 17 on the Rally looks really odd I think.
Yes, totally agree. In fact, I think for most people - ie those who don't tackle particularly demanding terrain - it would be the tyre selection which would influence one's confidence and ability off tarmac far more than suspension travel or wheel size
@@auscurrymaster Absolutely
Agreed, the BMW GS only has a 19 inch front and is the Worlds best selling ADV bike. I had a Tiger 900GT Pro 2020, fantastic bike and considering now going back to one, the one thing I would love is a spoked wheel option, I much prefer spoked wheels and the Rally Pro is too tall for me!
@@paulchambers2296 Kineo wheels offer the solution. 700 grade alloy, the strongest rims available tubeless with a central spine holding the spokes. Check them out.
Damping - restraining of vibratory motion, such as mechanical oscillations, noise, and alternating electric currents, by dissipation of energy.
Dampening - To moisten, to make something slightly wet.
I'm just being an ass, love your videos, hope the growing family is well.
No I need the reminder, as I clearly always bugger that one up 😅 Family is doing well but we are all sick again from daycare 😛
I just bought a 900 GT Pro in Canada and the price was (after currency conversions to Aussie...) was $3,000 less than what you had to pay - maybe duties, etc. not sure.
We call it the 'Australia tax'.
The local Triumph dealer has been in the French, Irish, Welsh Quarter of the city for a long time. When I arrived, the sign outside was painted wood in a style that looked like it was from the 1970's. Triumph was really big in Montréal before the Japanese invaded. The dealer looks like a modern Triumph dealer now and there are definitely a few Bonne's around. The ADV style bikes are the ones that catch my eye. I've seen a 1200 Scrambler with knobbies in the neighborhood with mud on it occasionally. There are definitely urbanites that take their bikes out of the city once in a while.
♥ Very much appreciated, as I am trying to decide on which bike to buy! Cheers !
G'day Solid great video as always. I don't normally have a complaint, but the camera shot off the right front is just weird. It makes things look like it's bent.
Indeed it does.
Terrible footage.
Product of the 360 camera 📷 Thanks for the feedback 👍
Seat height of rally pro is too high for me so I opted for the gt pro. I think rally pro is too heavy for off-roading, but maybe I'm wrong.
Hey Solid; I did have a Triumph Tiger 900GT, a very good Touring Bike and fun on the dirt roads, I never took it single track; I had the bike for 3 years and as my Arthritis progressed I found the bike to be too heavy, weight is an issue. An absolute capable bike and rider have taken the bike off road. The price is just too dam high on both bikes; I am happy that you did a review of these bikes; Next the Scramblers..... David...Adelaide.....Triumph Scrambler 1200X.....
The Scramblers look like fun 🤩
I have the 800xc and have ridden the 800xr, and the 21" front is hardly noticeable difference, on and off road, I ride a lot harder on road than off, I am still likely to go for the Rally pro, advantage of tyre choice and not having electronic suspension (which will give you grief later). There are always better bikes to do what you are specifically doing, but the best is the one you have, and understanding the compromises of varied riding,. Mine is a touring, light off-roading, occasionally commuting and city convenience (park anywhere) machine, and both these machines fit into that collective category.
Another good review, Solid. Although I chose the Pro, I don’t disagree with your observations. I’ve been riding my new ‘24 Rally Pro for a couple of weeks now and I really like it. In his reviews Zack Courts always answers the question, “Should you buy this bike just for the engine?” The answer for the Tiger is yes. Hell, yes. It’s a giggle factory. If I was going to be riding often with a pillion, I would have gone for the GT, for the convenience of the electronically adjustable rear suspension. But I won’t, and I will be doing some light off-roading with it, so I went with the Pro. Also, getting at the adjustment knobs on the Pro’s shock is really easy. The GT does turn in a bit quicker, but both are darn near telepathic in the twisties. For a guy who’s been riding as long as I have, it’s astonishing to me that a bike with a 21” front wheel would perform so well on-road. It’s amazing. I actually bought the Rally Pro as a replacement for my Indian Roadmaster; it’s got all the same creature comforts. It’s going to be a superlative tourer. BTW, I have owned Hinckley Triumphs in the past, and they’ve been bulletproof in terms of reliability. Which is why I went with Triumph over KTM, Aprilia, Ducati or BMW. IMHO, Triumph builds more reliable machines. These days, I think they are easily on par with the Japanese makes in terms of reliability. The continental makes still have some work to do in that department. 😃
One other thing. The out-of-the-box suspension settings are much too soft for aggressive riding, on-road or off-road, for a guy my weight (~225 lb.s kitted out). I _think_ I’ll be able to get it dialed in just with pre-load and rebound adjustments, but I may end up having to go to higher spring rates. We’ll see. If you are closer to 150 lb.s, you’ll probably be perfectly happy. If you are a largish human being, you’ll want to take the soft suspension into consideration.
Thanks for the insight mate 👍
Great video!
I rode both the Triumph and the 850GS for ADV Touring, I bought the GS
Smarter choice aside, maybe the smartest choice is the 850?
Solid job🍻
excellent review, thank you!
Great video and timely advice. I do like the GT Pro, but am still debating on weight. Current bike is a bush pig, but my days of doing gnarly dirt are rapidly diminishing (if not already a distant memory). Thinking outside the square and looking at an MT450. (Price alone is a winner…… sub $10k versus $24.5k). Before I get howls of condemnation….. yes 2 totally different bikes and one has an excellent track record whereas the other is unproven. Have you tested the MT450 by any chance??? Keep up the excellent work 👍👍👍
Testing the 450 in the next few weeks 👍
I tested for both the rally and felt better on the road. Ktm 890 motors having cam issues.
They look alright and sound really sweet . Maybe they or the Rally version is more of a competitor to the Africa Twin and similar bikes . Definitely not the or a unicorn , lol .
# Nice video, is a good bike for commuting honestly? daily use (comfortable) and weekend touring, of perhaps recreation purpose? this is better than ktm 890 for my purpose ? I only drive on public roads/highways... it is wise to jump from naked bike to this touring/Adventure for daily use.
Any way great video
Be safe
I ride a 22 GT Pro in Idaho where 70% of the roads are gravel. I’m running Bridgestone AX 41s and I stay on (mostly) maintained forest roads. I’m 70 and ride with “mature”riders so powerslides and air are not in the equation. The low seat height and electronic rear suspension are very appreciated. Guess my question is, do you think it’s worth a $9000 upgrade? My dealer will only give me $12000.
I think you’re overthinking it Solid, but I guess that’s your job😎
I agree however, a lighter and shorter bike is better in many off-road situations and you don’t always need heaps of ground clearance and suspension travel.
Just slow down for the rough stuff.
Not always possible, but you can do it.
It’s a funny thing Rob. Head says GT but the heart says Rally and the wallet says keep dreaming 😅
A 900, middle weight??? I think this is a low end heavy weight. I'm sure it's a great bike, I just feel like it's in the class of the Honda AT and BMW GS. Do guys that are seeking an adventure bike need the extra HP, weigh and options.plus the bigger price tag. I don't think so but to each his own. Awesome info on them both Solid. Cheers from Florida
Cheers Mike.
How did you find the fan exhaust blowing on your legs? I found it over the top on the Rally Pro when riding slowly on a hot day but I haven’t ridden the GT Pro. In the end I opted for a 1200 GT Pro, which is a different bike anyway.
Covered this in depth in the Rally review. Very noticeable on the Rally in anything resembling warm weather and slow speeds. Didn’t notice it on either of the GT’s I road. But that could be just dumb luck 🤷
Personally, I’m not buying ‘electronic suspension’ is a benefit. The fact it’s only as tuneable the installed presets, and only switchable on the rear, says it all. the idea that comp&rbnd is only needed on the rear cos of luggage is half baked. I’ll go out of my way to avoid buying a machine with electronic suspenders…increasingly hard to do in truth. Once upon a time, all bikes came with crappy suspenders. It was a cost saving from manufacturers in the. 70’s, through, 80’s & 90’s..even the noughties…Now we all got to have the latest & greatest electronic gubbins. I’m calling BS. They all do it. Just suck it up people….!! 🙄
Agree with your findings and have ridden both (have a new GTPro as a result) but your statements are entirely wrong about the suspension. The RP just has longer-travel suspension; its not "better ". And Marzocchi is in no way inferior to Showa, which was the take-out from your comments.
i dont even need to watch this to know the answer to "do we even need the rally?" is yes we do lol.. but ima watch it neways.
😎 My head says GT pro but my heart says Rally 😅
GT Pro doesn't have active supervision
It has only electronically adjusted rear preload.
But none of your smarter choices for offroad riding have the on road comfort of the tiger. The RP has it all is just as capable off road.
500lbs middleweight ? Maybe super middleweight . Middleweight should be a bike between 375lbs ish to 450lbs max .
What would the comfort difference be for someone who is taller than 195 cm??
I’d lean towards the Rally. But my mate had no complaints about either at 188cm.
How about ktm going bankrupt ?
Yeah no thanks, These are priced at the midlife crisis Lawyer or Dentists to ride down to local Cafes. Weight wise these are just stupid crazy to be taking off road. It's a no from me dawg.
Agree on the point about price. They are definitely aiming at a particular demographic.
What you think off road means is not what off road means. Lol it keeps getting more and more stupid.
If someone needs to watch a YT video to work out if they need a GT or RP they have cognitive issues.