Absolutely. They're part of the International Mobility Program, where there has been massive increases, so they're not even included in the TFW numbers we've been talking about!
When I immigrated here 20 years ago, some employers hiring international students in fast food and retail jobs paid cash below the minimum wage. This was because full time students weren’t legally allowed to work without a work permit.
I believe their wage is actually lower because they pay immigration consultants to get in the country and these consultants probably kick back a portion of their pay to the hiring employer! So they're earning back some of the money they paid to get in! And then the employer can just fire them and repeat the process with new temporary foreign worker employees to essentially pay below minimum wage. That's just what I think is going on. I believe I've heard stories like this in the past.
ON what is the incentive for hiring TFWs in Dairy Queen - if is lower wages, not hourly, but LMIA frauds are ripe in these franchisees. TFWs pay a few thousands to get a work visa and a minimum wage to have a chance to move to Canada.
Even for highly skilled work, TFW program suppresses wages. With our proximity to the USA and their far higher wages, the only economic incentive to stay is that we tend to have better social services like healthcare and public schools. When we allow foreign workers to come in at the same Canadian wages, be it minimum wage or the top 10%, every new person places new stresses on all of our social services, staying them to the breaking point. Suddenly there's no more reason to stay. Brain Drain exacerbated.
TFWs are required to meet all federal and provincial minimum wage standards as well as all other minimums. The problem is that the program is so easily exploited through lies and hidden fees to the worker that go straight back into the employer's pocket, not to mention that the program should require that TFWs earn far more than domestic hires so that employers are motivated to hire domestic and only turn to the TFW program out of necessity.
That's exactly what we suggest too -- it should be financially advantageous to hire domestically than bringing someone in from abroad. The incentives need to change.
There's an also the issue of Sweden in the 50s to 70s where extremely high productivity growth was combined with a noticeable influx TFWs. The country had - and still has - extremely strong unions capable of consistently pushing wages up be covering most of the workforce. Yet those unions are also responsible for delivering unemployment benefits and training. Plus, the country has consistently provided tax breaks and investment subsidies for both capital expenditure and skills formation resulting in extremely high levels of both private sector investment, productivity, and wage growth. That is to say it's not the TFWP that is the problem. It's about a weak labour floor and even weaker unions.
Hi, temporary foreign worker here myself. I came in just in December and contrary to the average person I managed to get a job (in my own field which is finance) in just short 3 months of looking. I've never sent as many CVs in my life as the past 3 months. One thing though I only managed to get the job thanks to a referral and I'm hired as contractor so pretty much I am only paying my expenses but this helps as leverage to continue pursuing something with a contract. Feel free to ask any questions
So you are a TFW in the field of Finance......? I am a Canadian with lots of experience in Finance that cant find a job in Finance or even get interviews... This is the problem right here.. this problem is more pervasive than just low wage jobs.. How can there be TFW in the Finance field when hundreds of Canadians apply to each of these jobs? Makes no sense..
@@Robck27 when you are chosen over a citizen is the problem.... Why are you getting the job before qualified citizens... Oh right... any peep out of you to complain, back to the country you came from.
Saw you on the Loonie Hour and had to check out your podcast. Great conversation here.
International students often buy LMIA jobs in fast food, retail etc. They are also increasing the pool of temporary workers.
Absolutely. They're part of the International Mobility Program, where there has been massive increases, so they're not even included in the TFW numbers we've been talking about!
Wages go down, rents go up. Government of, by and for the top quintile.
When I immigrated here 20 years ago, some employers hiring international students in fast food and retail jobs paid cash below the minimum wage. This was because full time students weren’t legally allowed to work without a work permit.
I believe their wage is actually lower because they pay immigration consultants to get in the country and these consultants probably kick back a portion of their pay to the hiring employer! So they're earning back some of the money they paid to get in! And then the employer can just fire them and repeat the process with new temporary foreign worker employees to essentially pay below minimum wage. That's just what I think is going on. I believe I've heard stories like this in the past.
"Human QE"
ON what is the incentive for hiring TFWs in Dairy Queen - if is lower wages, not hourly, but LMIA frauds are ripe in these franchisees. TFWs pay a few thousands to get a work visa and a minimum wage to have a chance to move to Canada.
Mass immigration is all about suppressing wages.
At this point just apply to small shops. I don't want to give my time to any of these large corporations that don't care about me as a person
Even for highly skilled work, TFW program suppresses wages.
With our proximity to the USA and their far higher wages, the only economic incentive to stay is that we tend to have better social services like healthcare and public schools. When we allow foreign workers to come in at the same Canadian wages, be it minimum wage or the top 10%, every new person places new stresses on all of our social services, staying them to the breaking point. Suddenly there's no more reason to stay.
Brain Drain exacerbated.
Absolutely! Our episode tomorrow will talk about that. It seems like a problem across the board.
TFWs are required to meet all federal and provincial minimum wage standards as well as all other minimums. The problem is that the program is so easily exploited through lies and hidden fees to the worker that go straight back into the employer's pocket, not to mention that the program should require that TFWs earn far more than domestic hires so that employers are motivated to hire domestic and only turn to the TFW program out of necessity.
That's exactly what we suggest too -- it should be financially advantageous to hire domestically than bringing someone in from abroad. The incentives need to change.
~25% of working canadians is now working for the government.
would you do the picking in fields like most foreign workers do?
America before the civil war: we can’t get rid of slavery who will pick the cotton
The huge rise has been in non-agriculture streams -- especially restaurants and fast food.
There's an also the issue of Sweden in the 50s to 70s where extremely high productivity growth was combined with a noticeable influx TFWs. The country had - and still has - extremely strong unions capable of consistently pushing wages up be covering most of the workforce. Yet those unions are also responsible for delivering unemployment benefits and training. Plus, the country has consistently provided tax breaks and investment subsidies for both capital expenditure and skills formation resulting in extremely high levels of both private sector investment, productivity, and wage growth.
That is to say it's not the TFWP that is the problem. It's about a weak labour floor and even weaker unions.
Hi, temporary foreign worker here myself. I came in just in December and contrary to the average person I managed to get a job (in my own field which is finance) in just short 3 months of looking. I've never sent as many CVs in my life as the past 3 months. One thing though I only managed to get the job thanks to a referral and I'm hired as contractor so pretty much I am only paying my expenses but this helps as leverage to continue pursuing something with a contract. Feel free to ask any questions
And the main reason I came was as mentioned in the last pointz to become full time resident and I did it despite knowing the negative stuff happening
So you are a TFW in the field of Finance......? I am a Canadian with lots of experience in Finance that cant find a job in Finance or even get interviews... This is the problem right here.. this problem is more pervasive than just low wage jobs.. How can there be TFW in the Finance field when hundreds of Canadians apply to each of these jobs? Makes no sense..
@@Robck27 when you are chosen over a citizen is the problem.... Why are you getting the job before qualified citizens... Oh right... any peep out of you to complain, back to the country you came from.
@@jz12390there might be a subsidy incentive for the employer
We have a good program for foreign workers, it's new, it's called M.A.I.D