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I'd say Oscar throws a whole body instead of just a key because Hollows wouldn't have the brain power to search the body for the key to their cell, thus filtering out 'sane' Undead that could fulfill the prophecy from insane Hollows. It's kind of stupid, but most exaplanations for most stuff in the game is pretty stupid too
He just throws a body because that's how you get loot in DS1. It's just a container and it's practical for the developers and teach the player that bodies=loot.
Nah, he throws the body because that's how the mechanics of the world operate. There are no "loose" items to be thrown. Everything is connected to the soul. Oscar throws a whole corpse down because he literally could not throw a single item on its own, it would be inconsistent with the rules of the world.
@@kaijudude_Ever hear the theory that an immortal monkey with a typewriter just hitting random keys would eventually write every book ever written purely by accident? Maybe its the same with Undead and a key, or in this case a corpse...
I liked Oscar. I just think he came form a another land and saw us and the key and kicked the body in the room. And left to his mission trusting we can free our self. Edit: undead are also dangerous, it was the safest thing to do.
Same here, but then again one of the prerequisites to hollowing is basically just giving up, giving away your only tool of survival is certainly giving up and it seems oscar had given up by this point, the real question is, why dont we just loot an estus flask off of one of the scores of undead we kill? They can be seen using their own estus flasks.
He throws a corpse because in Dark Souls land all items have to be attached to a corpse or in a chest. I know it sounds like I'm joking, but this really is why. It's meant to be a mechanical tutorial. This is undercut/confused by the fact that players can drop items and a little sack appears. Seems like the narrative/gameplay team and inventory UX designers failed to communicate on that one, or they didn't realize until too late in development and just decided to run with what they had, or something else in that vein. This kind of thing happens alot in game development.
@@N0TYALC There are very, very seldom items found without a body, to the point where it is clearly a design choice. Like, name 10 items not attached to bodies or in chests. You're right, it is dumb. The truth behind most things in life often are. In fact, Dark Souls, while brilliant in countless ways, is chalk full of dumbass design choices: Pinwheel. Your weapon clanging off the wall. Invisible bridges. Enemy mobs keeping agro during boss fights and swarming you after the fog wall clears. Resonance circles. The entire Gravelord Servant covenant. The list goes on. The game is riddled with absolutely deranged design decisions. When you put it into perspective, the first in-game cinematic being a mechanical tutorial is downright sane.
you're right, he should have opened the door for us and handed over a Humanity along with the Estus and then held our hand and killed the Asylum demon. Then he should have opened Sen's Fortress while we toasted marshmallows at Firelink. Those idiots at From Software just don't understand how to make a good game smh my head
I feel like Oscar is actually the player. Specifically, he is those players who fail to defeat the Asylum Demon. Oscar ends up at the Undead Asylum, somehow gets free, and drops a key to the "next" player in line, then gets wrecked by the Asylum Demon. He passes on his mission and estus flask to that "next" player, who then repeats the cycle until someone finally escapes the asylum. It's kind of like how the only way your character canonically goes hollow is when you stop playing the game. A lot of other NPCs can also be thought of as other "players" in a similar boat to the Chosen Undead. Many of them can be summoned for boss fights, and later found as a corpse with their gear, signifying when they went hollow and gave up.
I think "Evil Oscar" actually was just "Foil" Oscar; as in, YOUR foil. Depending on what path you choose (which serpent you speak to), Oscar would pick the opposite one. So while, yes, he would use you and try to usurp you, he would choose to either link the flame or usher in the age of dark based upon the opposite of what you chose. He was always meant to be your rival. We ended up getting Siegmeyer, our beloved Onion Knight, to drag around behind us, following our trail, completely free of any rivalry.
That’s really cool actually but I see why it fell through, with the main factor DS being “nothing happens without you making it happen through progress” it’d probably get really annoying knowing that someone was actively making an already difficult experience even more difficult for you
No no no, Oscar is a genius. He knows he can’t complete his quest before the end of the world so instead he finds someone who can and turns himself hollow so he’s immortal and doesn’t have to do any of the work.
My headcanon is that he was trying to find help for his quest. Given how barren the world is it would be pretty hard to find anyone that isn’t a hostile hollow, or on a separate quest of their own, so that’s why he aimed for the Asylum, because everyone there isn’t on a quest, nor are they hostile, so it would be easier to find an undead and possibly give them a new purpose by freeing them, allowing him to find a new ally, but on his way to meet back up he tripped and took a very nasty fall and met his fate.
Personal theory: the key falling into our cell was a lucky accident. He just killed that hollow, which happened to have the key and fell back through the ceiling into our cell, and then he looked down at his work before moving on.
I always thought Oscar was wounded and to desperate (as well as probably losing his mind) to do any fancy "looting and just throw the key"-action. But I didn't really pay him any mind after getting out of the asylum...
Thats not oscar, thats mizayaki wearing the same gear as oscar to troll him before slaying him. He created the game and threw you a key and wanted you to have estus flask to get going before he returned to his realm
I always assumed Asylum Demon beat him into the hole and the man was messed up mentally by the fact a knight lost to such a crap boss that he decided to give up. The joke part aside, asylum demon is on the roof befire he jumps down, you can actually see him up there if you open the door and look up a bit. So I guessed Oscar while focusing on his hiring process of shoving keys into bodies didnt notice our bodacious bloated basher sneak up on him, got clapped harder then solaire vs a random glowie boy, and kind of gave up realizing he just wasnt good enough to complete the family passed peer pressure. Heck, he was even wring about how hard his task was as the crestfallen warrior dude points out, it wasnt even as easy as just ringing 1 said bell and it just being done... and he couldn't even do that right
I don't think he was going to be a recurring mini boss, like the Pursuer. I think he was closer to the Onion Knight, but slower. He would show up peacefully at places like the bells after you already rang them or other obstacles after you cleared them. But, he was also supposed to show up after you beat Gwyn and to try to kill you and attempt to do the opposite ending you were going for.
@@xgamer25125 I agree. And yeah, it would be cool to see come up with now with a bigger budget and more experience. I do worry it would lose some of its charm though
Hollowing is forgetting, no? That's a slow process. Following your narrative, we probbaly start the game, seeing Oscar at the stage of "What and why TF am I doing this, again?" Edit : or another take on why he dropped a whole corpse... "Oh, damn. Didn't meant to drop the whole thing." Awkward silence, Oscar turns away. "Welp. Already happened."
He seems to be mostly intact if we compare him against Lapp in DS3 but now I really like the idea of him doing it on accident, getting embarrassed and running away, then falling in a hole because he was too mortified to watch where he was going.
So..., Option 2 What Oscar is or why he does it is really up to you, the player, that's why his content was cut, and as to why he is throwing undead with the key in your cell, that's because he is hiding the key in them, sort of like hiding the key in a delivery cake, would it be easier just throwing the key? Yes, but then he would be seen carrying the key and tossing it
Dude, the whole redundant theme of DS1 was about giving up, being utterly depressed and as a result going hollow. Don't think it's right to call these people dickhead or lazy.
This is all mostly tongue in cheek. "Dickhead" was for cut content Oscar because he tries to come in and kill you after you kill Gwynn and steal the glory. That's a dick move to me but also never really happened
so, hes basically a Patches that gives you the flask and free you from the cell. sounds like an average person in Dark Souls world. no one of us are good, we're all evil. only a bigger evil can defeat another, thats how we complete the game.
Andre is a pretty good dude. But yeah, similar to Patches but Patches doesn't trick you into doing stuff for him. Just does it for the love of the game and the hate of clerics
@@rickytebbe thats... thats just how things works. i mean, no one is 100% good, at some point you got flaws. not to mention, pretty sure Patches gave me a letter in Elden Ring with the mission he was supposed to complete. but thats just life, ppl's interests.
Solaire is the superior Astoran... Astorian? Person from Astora
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Oh , you don’t want to start this War
ANDRE IS SUPERIOR
@@bara3526oooh fair point. Solaire might have to move into 2nd place
Solaire is responsible for all of Dark Souls 2 and 3 by not letting the flame die out
i disagree but whatever...
Lmao you would with a name and channel like that
I'd say Oscar throws a whole body instead of just a key because Hollows wouldn't have the brain power to search the body for the key to their cell, thus filtering out 'sane' Undead that could fulfill the prophecy from insane Hollows.
It's kind of stupid, but most exaplanations for most stuff in the game is pretty stupid too
Mind = blown
But would a hollow even know how to use a key in the first place?
He just throws a body because that's how you get loot in DS1. It's just a container and it's practical for the developers and teach the player that bodies=loot.
Nah, he throws the body because that's how the mechanics of the world operate. There are no "loose" items to be thrown. Everything is connected to the soul. Oscar throws a whole corpse down because he literally could not throw a single item on its own, it would be inconsistent with the rules of the world.
@@kaijudude_Ever hear the theory that an immortal monkey with a typewriter just hitting random keys would eventually write every book ever written purely by accident?
Maybe its the same with Undead and a key, or in this case a corpse...
I liked Oscar. I just think he came form a another land and saw us and the key and kicked the body in the room. And left to his mission trusting we can free our self.
Edit: undead are also dangerous, it was the safest thing to do.
Your name is fantastic
@@rickytebbe 😁 thank you.
I never really considered the fact that he could have just used the Estus Flask.
Same here, but then again one of the prerequisites to hollowing is basically just giving up, giving away your only tool of survival is certainly giving up and it seems oscar had given up by this point, the real question is, why dont we just loot an estus flask off of one of the scores of undead we kill? They can be seen using their own estus flasks.
@@Lickicker don’t want those hollow germs.
@@SentinalSlice fair enough, i also dont care to share a container with someone who has rotted lips
He throws a corpse because in Dark Souls land all items have to be attached to a corpse or in a chest. I know it sounds like I'm joking, but this really is why. It's meant to be a mechanical tutorial.
This is undercut/confused by the fact that players can drop items and a little sack appears. Seems like the narrative/gameplay team and inventory UX designers failed to communicate on that one, or they didn't realize until too late in development and just decided to run with what they had, or something else in that vein.
This kind of thing happens alot in game development.
Yeah that's the only reason why he throws whole body,lol
There are plenty of items that can be found lying there without a body nearby. This theory is obviously untrue, but it would be quite dumb if it were.
@@N0TYALC There are very, very seldom items found without a body, to the point where it is clearly a design choice. Like, name 10 items not attached to bodies or in chests.
You're right, it is dumb. The truth behind most things in life often are. In fact, Dark Souls, while brilliant in countless ways, is chalk full of dumbass design choices: Pinwheel. Your weapon clanging off the wall. Invisible bridges. Enemy mobs keeping agro during boss fights and swarming you after the fog wall clears. Resonance circles. The entire Gravelord Servant covenant. The list goes on.
The game is riddled with absolutely deranged design decisions. When you put it into perspective, the first in-game cinematic being a mechanical tutorial is downright sane.
Oscar was farming souls and accidentally knocked bro into a hole
you're right, he should have opened the door for us and handed over a Humanity along with the Estus and then held our hand and killed the Asylum demon. Then he should have opened Sen's Fortress while we toasted marshmallows at Firelink. Those idiots at From Software just don't understand how to make a good game smh my head
1. From wanted cool intro with weird knight lookin at you without a word
2. Youre probably right.
"Dramatic Effect" is now potential reason number 4
You are probably right but he is a homie in my heart and all he had to do was throw me a corpse and die a horrible death.
Whatever his motivation may be, Chosen Undead doesn't escape without his help
I feel like Oscar is actually the player. Specifically, he is those players who fail to defeat the Asylum Demon. Oscar ends up at the Undead Asylum, somehow gets free, and drops a key to the "next" player in line, then gets wrecked by the Asylum Demon. He passes on his mission and estus flask to that "next" player, who then repeats the cycle until someone finally escapes the asylum. It's kind of like how the only way your character canonically goes hollow is when you stop playing the game. A lot of other NPCs can also be thought of as other "players" in a similar boat to the Chosen Undead. Many of them can be summoned for boss fights, and later found as a corpse with their gear, signifying when they went hollow and gave up.
I think that he was going to meet up with the player but he took a bad fall.
Yeah maybe. I don't think falling in heavy armor isn't as harmless as the Chosen Undead makes it seem
First guy to point fingers if the first flame went out.
Absolutely
I think "Evil Oscar" actually was just "Foil" Oscar; as in, YOUR foil. Depending on what path you choose (which serpent you speak to), Oscar would pick the opposite one. So while, yes, he would use you and try to usurp you, he would choose to either link the flame or usher in the age of dark based upon the opposite of what you chose. He was always meant to be your rival. We ended up getting Siegmeyer, our beloved Onion Knight, to drag around behind us, following our trail, completely free of any rivalry.
Yep! That was indeed the case for the cut content. My characterization of him is mostly tongue in cheek.
I prefer no rival.
It adds to the lonely feeling and sense of loss/lack of direction.
That’s really cool actually but I see why it fell through, with the main factor DS being “nothing happens without you making it happen through progress” it’d probably get really annoying knowing that someone was actively making an already difficult experience even more difficult for you
No no no, Oscar is a genius.
He knows he can’t complete his quest before the end of the world so instead he finds someone who can and turns himself hollow so he’s immortal and doesn’t have to do any of the work.
My headcanon is that he was trying to find help for his quest. Given how barren the world is it would be pretty hard to find anyone that isn’t a hostile hollow, or on a separate quest of their own, so that’s why he aimed for the Asylum, because everyone there isn’t on a quest, nor are they hostile, so it would be easier to find an undead and possibly give them a new purpose by freeing them, allowing him to find a new ally, but on his way to meet back up he tripped and took a very nasty fall and met his fate.
"You're so stupid you couldn't pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel." Is my new favourite insult.
Personal theory: the key falling into our cell was a lucky accident. He just killed that hollow, which happened to have the key and fell back through the ceiling into our cell, and then he looked down at his work before moving on.
It would be funny that the only reason the First Flame got linked is because some dude lost his loot by killing an enemy too close to a ledge.
But don't you hear the ceiling grate being opened just before the body falls, meaning that the body drop was intentional?
@@OzzyB-HD You do. And the Dungeon Cell Key specifically says he "shoved a corpse into the cell"
He was planned to be a coop character but that was scraped
How could he lose to the first boss with such good starter gear?
Fat rolling for the L
I always thought Oscar was wounded and to desperate (as well as probably losing his mind) to do any fancy "looting and just throw the key"-action. But I didn't really pay him any mind after getting out of the asylum...
Naaww he just killed the enemy on top and it just fell in the hole.....happens a lot.
Fair point. Maybe he was trying to get down there and retrieve his loot
Thats not oscar, thats mizayaki wearing the same gear as oscar to troll him before slaying him. He created the game and threw you a key and wanted you to have estus flask to get going before he returned to his realm
Don't be too hard on Oscar. he lived in a trash can all his life until he finally crawled out and found out the whole world was in the garbage!
0:30 “save…..?”
Can be as bad as he wants, but he will allways be my bro!
idk why youtube guided me here yet here I am. Rekindling the flame.
lol I made a sacrifice to the Algorithm to get you here. Thanks for watching
I always assumed Asylum Demon beat him into the hole and the man was messed up mentally by the fact a knight lost to such a crap boss that he decided to give up. The joke part aside, asylum demon is on the roof befire he jumps down, you can actually see him up there if you open the door and look up a bit. So I guessed Oscar while focusing on his hiring process of shoving keys into bodies didnt notice our bodacious bloated basher sneak up on him, got clapped harder then solaire vs a random glowie boy, and kind of gave up realizing he just wasnt good enough to complete the family passed peer pressure. Heck, he was even wring about how hard his task was as the crestfallen warrior dude points out, it wasnt even as easy as just ringing 1 said bell and it just being done... and he couldn't even do that right
So what you're saying here is that Oscar was destined to become The Pursuer but due to budget/time we never saw him realized in DS1...?
I don't think he was going to be a recurring mini boss, like the Pursuer.
I think he was closer to the Onion Knight, but slower. He would show up peacefully at places like the bells after you already rang them or other obstacles after you cleared them. But, he was also supposed to show up after you beat Gwyn and to try to kill you and attempt to do the opposite ending you were going for.
@@rickytebbe that would be kinda cool tbh. I often catch myself wondering what the originally DS would have been if fromsoft were who they are today
@@xgamer25125 I agree. And yeah, it would be cool to see come up with now with a bigger budget and more experience. I do worry it would lose some of its charm though
Hollowing is forgetting, no? That's a slow process.
Following your narrative, we probbaly start the game, seeing Oscar at the stage of "What and why TF am I doing this, again?"
Edit : or another take on why he dropped a whole corpse...
"Oh, damn. Didn't meant to drop the whole thing."
Awkward silence, Oscar turns away.
"Welp. Already happened."
He seems to be mostly intact if we compare him against Lapp in DS3 but now I really like the idea of him doing it on accident, getting embarrassed and running away, then falling in a hole because he was too mortified to watch where he was going.
So..., Option 2
What Oscar is or why he does it is really up to you, the player, that's why his content was cut, and as to why he is throwing undead with the key in your cell, that's because he is hiding the key in them, sort of like hiding the key in a delivery cake, would it be easier just throwing the key? Yes, but then he would be seen carrying the key and tossing it
Yep, absolutely up to the player to decide. I do kind of want a mod now where the only difference is he throws you wedding cake down instead of a body
He was supposed to be your rival but they changed the role for him
hes the one guy you told about darksouls plays it once and then dies on the first boss to then never plays the game again
0:42 Lmao that's exactly what I was wearing to beat DS1 last week, arrows and zwei and all
Only I left because solaire was linking the fire instead
Lol Strength build? I always seem to finish the game looking like that when I do strength builds
I never actually thought about it , why didn't Oscar used the estus
Undead are stupid indeed
Just leave Oscar alone!
The truth is, Lautrec is probably one of the best people in the game.
I can confidently say that one of the theories about Oscar are definitely objectively right
True
Dude, the whole redundant theme of DS1 was about giving up, being utterly depressed and as a result going hollow.
Don't think it's right to call these people dickhead or lazy.
This is all mostly tongue in cheek.
"Dickhead" was for cut content Oscar because he tries to come in and kill you after you kill Gwynn and steal the glory. That's a dick move to me but also never really happened
so, hes basically a Patches that gives you the flask and free you from the cell. sounds like an average person in Dark Souls world. no one of us are good, we're all evil. only a bigger evil can defeat another, thats how we complete the game.
Andre is a pretty good dude. But yeah, similar to Patches but Patches doesn't trick you into doing stuff for him. Just does it for the love of the game and the hate of clerics
@@rickytebbe thats... thats just how things works. i mean, no one is 100% good, at some point you got flaws. not to mention, pretty sure Patches gave me a letter in Elden Ring with the mission he was supposed to complete. but thats just life, ppl's interests.
Funny as shit ngl
Real.