The let off adjustment on the era is a huge plus. 70-90% in 1% increments, and combined with the 1/4 inch draw length adjustments, you can really customize the draw cycle and hold to your liking.
Era also has the option to switch between cable stops, limb stops or both. Carbon One has the FlipDisc built in which is great. Era has the option for smooth mods (have them in my Verdict and they are great) but costs extra.
I owned a Omnia and everything was great about that bow except the sight picture! Cables in sight window bad no matter what we did! I just couldn’t gel with that so went to Bowtech.
Thanks for taking the time to do this review. I currently own an RX7 I've had for almost 1.5 yrs now, I've had my Era for for about 2 months now, and I owned a Carbon One for about 2 weeks right after release. I'm a Bowtech fan, so I really wanted to like it, but prefer the other 2 instead. If you are giving points for draw cycle, don't you NEED a category for fps/energy? That Era w/ Perf mods is probably 12 fps quicker than the Carbon One, and the RX7 another 2-4 fps faster than the Elite. Also, fully setup w/ similar accessories, my Era has somewhat less feedback than the RX7. Despite the tuning disadvantages of the Hoyt, once it's set for you, it's set, and the back/sidebar mounting locations of the Hoyt and Elite are MUCH better than the Bowtech.
Rx7 ultra all day. Comfort control shooting 50 plus arrows most days and still get excited like the first day of shooting after perfect tune. 80# 31 draw and its a lightweight rocket launcher.
I was always a fan of elite, but you are talking about the era being much faster with performance mods, well yeah it feels like 80 pounds . Elite use to have a really smooth easy draw cycle , well when they went for speed with these new cams, they totally sold out to an extremely stout draw cycle.
@@ShaneBolerHunting yep, definitely more hump in the draw, but it gives more options. Smooth mods still retain that Elite smooooth feeling. Win - win 😁
Because they need to. I love the way their bow shoots, not saying it's the best, but in a subjective conversation, it's all personal preference. If mathews put out a carbon bow, I would check it out and absolutely consider buying that bow
@@TheManic.5-OHbut you wouldn’t consider buying a Hoyt carbon bow? They’ve only been producing them for over a decade. Your only interest in carbon is if it says Mathews on it - definite fanboy.
I think they should be weighed in a typical hunting setup and then compare how much heavier (percents) they are compared to the lightest. It should perhaps stay as a bonus category, as some people might like more weight, but the context would be great.
Durability, Speed & Performance and weight should be categories. A big part of the Hoyt for me is that they dry fire their bows in a stress test. Now... how much of that is marketing hype, but still it's a selling point none the less. And performance is the other big thing. I'll trade performance during the shot for some vibration after the shot since these are mainly hunting bows. Personally I care less about vibration since it's after the shot, doesn't affect my arrow flight... unless you're arguing that force could have been in the arrow... then maybe. Categories that I feel are subjective: Grip and Fit and Finish. I'd personally swap those two for Durability and Speed/Performance.
Josh!!! Omg lol please for the love of all things do a review and include the longer ata carbon bows (Mach 34)! I’d say the majority of your followers shoot 32-34 inch ATAs. It confused me when the last two reviews have only included 30” atas. I love your channel it’s BY FAR my favorite archery channel.
I just feel like you can’t do a carbon bow review without PSE. They’re the only ones that make a carbon bow that actually makes sense because it’s light like carbon should be, I’m not bias on any brand of bow and it’s just picking them up that one makes sense as to why it’s carbon
I have the RX7 Ultra, PSE LEVITATE, and just set up my new ERA. I tried the Carbon one. I could be wrong but it seems you favor Bowtech on must videos that you include that brand. But if it feels like you want to shoot it all day then it's probably the one for you. I say ERA is best A-Z I can shoot it all day.
Great vid always always a pleasure taking the time & watching & learning about the new products. If you have the time can you take a look at some of the premium target bows as well thanks MFJJ & all who is involved in the video production’s.
Did that bow fire unexpectedly when you were pulling the back wall or am I imagining things? 😂 you held your composure very well if that is what happened! Excellent content
Hey! Love your videos and these comparison videos. The thing I would add/not rate on these videos, is that the fit&finish. A camo on a bow will always look worse as finish than one color on a bow...so if we want to compare apples to apples I would not rate a camo bow(most of them will be dipped, and because of that will have disfiguration) in one category with a one colour sanded bow.
Did something happen after the first shot with the rx7, or just a editing mishap ? First shot happens you smile then it cuts. comes back after with let’s try the rx7
Still at 999 for bow but alot of stuff to do without changing cams and such. I still shoot a 2012 bear legion with gas string and black gold sight with fuse 10 in stabilizer more in extras than bow but like the way it fills
I do not like how the Omnia, Era and other new Elite bows have the cables in sight window! You can not tune it out on the 2 I have owned! If they fix that they may have one of best on market for cam features for sure. I owned both and just could not get use to it.
I agree Mathew’s needs to join the rest of the market and develop a carbon bow Yes there bows are awesome but If a person walks into a pro shop with mind made up they want a carbon bow Mathew’s is automatically out So yes Sorry Mathew’s step up to the plate
I’m not a speed freak, but I think speed needs a category. Bowtech might be smoother at 70#, but shoots at the same speed Elite at 65#. If someone is okay with a specific arrow speed they might realize 65, even 60 pounds can do the trick
If you watched his speed test the carbon one shot around 2-3 fps slower rated from the factory while elite and other company’s was shooting 10-14 fps below marketed so can’t just look at what they say from factory
Lite Weight is one of the many reasons for spending a Extra $500 to buy a Carbon bow and I'm sorry to say the Bowtech Carbon One needs to go on a serious Diet, its heavier than a lot of the Aluminium bows... Did you have the Bowtech and the Elite both with Performance mods or both on Comfort Mods...
Speed and gross weight of the bow should have higher importance than say something subjective like how the grip feels, especially when grips are changeable. It’s nice to have a light chassis so that you can add weight to balance and dampen the bow. Starting with a heavy riser limits that. Otherwise good comparison.
I'm an Elite shooter. But I would have picked the Bowtech as well. Bowtech are building some impressive bows right now. I'm also loving your more laid back approach this year. Not sure what you have changed, but you're content is really enjoyable this year. You and Tim are a good dynamic together as well.
I think you should add speed, actually measured with actual hunting weight arrows. But awesome video! Please do more reviews like these. Target bows next? :D
This felt like it was so not objective. And how is weight not a category when talking about carbon? That is the one of the biggest reason to spend that kind of money? Or if your going to be objective, put the carbon one on performance. So disappointed with the best bow reviews. Especially because eliminating bows based on ATA. Sad.
It’s pretty sad, no PSE that actually makes carbon bows. But yet mattews is on the list that doesn’t make a carbon bow. So yes I would say he leans towards some brands for sure, but his content is al so good. 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻
Grip is so subjective I almost think it needs to be left off. FPS is measurable and can tell the shooter if the difference in feel is justifiable. A slow single cam would score off the charts in feel but the performance isn’t there for example. Lastly, how cool does the bow make you look in the tree. If you take a selfie and post on insta which bow will get the most likes. 😂
Mathew's is my least favorite bow for 2023 so they better do something. I could give a rip less about; the useless rubber between the limbs, the same cams they've been running for years, the worse factory strings in the industry, the horribly noisy dump into the valley, massively overpriced accessories, 60$ modules to change draw length, the grip is too wide, their bows are top heavy, the top hat tuning is garbage when you have to buy them for an extra 60$(and yes ive yoke tuned, used deadlock, and set), and their bows are slow with a stiff draw. Omnia blows mathews out of the water all around especially for a speed bow not only with a better draw cycle but the omnia has less noise dumping into the valley and a better letoff oh and the letoff is adjustable which ive had zero issues with after 3000 arrows. Omnia not only has the closest Ibo speed rating of the year but it chucks a 500grain arrow 300fps which mathew's cant do with 75# mods. Next athens and bowtech have better draw cycles, better draw length adjustments, better letoffs, and no dump into the valley. Im not brand loyal and want the best bow for the money and mathew's can go f$%k themselves and yes I own a mathew's and its getting sold to buy an athen's elevate.
@@tsi-rocket4144you have mom and dad troubles mathews makes the best bows on the market and I own alot of flagship bows. The omnia control cable rubbing the top cam from the factory.
maybe if mathew's spends some more money on advertising they can sucker some more brand loyal ppl to keep buying their outdated bows. I want the best bow for the money and mathew's isnt it. Really changes when you shoot a bunch of bows and aren't sponsored by mathews.
@@tsi-rocket4144 elite totally ripped of Mathews this year with the wider limbs and longer riser. You bought a Mathews imitation. The whole world is “LOL-ing” you right now.
I’ve heard the carbon one is the best shooting experience but why in the world would someone pay a “carbon” price for aluminum weight. Voids the whole purpose of a carbon bow IMO. Carbon should = big weight savings.
If you ranked them 1-3 for each category, with 1 being the worst and 3 being the best, then divide the total score for each bow by the number of categories, you’d have a clearer representation of how they stack against one another.
I'm sorry but You wrong. On what basis do you claim that simplifying the analysis method, will provide a more reliable result? It's exactly the opposite. That's one of the reasons why your grades at school range from A to F instead of A to C :) Apart from the fact that simplifying it won't be more precise, the results will be in the form of decimal numbers. How will this give you a clearer representation? :D
@@countdooku5703 scored ranking requires the reviewer to make a decision of what product does what category better or worse than the head to head competitors. Averaging that across the board is better for true comparison. The example you used for grades in school doesn’t work. Grades in school are based on answering questions and completing assignments correctly. The answer key is the basis of comparison of comparison to a students work. Everyone in a class can score a 100 on a test. 3 bows in a comparison of which is the best can’t all be the best.
Or put smooth mods on the Era and it would be close on draw cycle. The 1/4" DL and letoff adjustability are huge. The Bowtech has nothing on the Era except weight and price.
Hey Joshypo do the comparison with the smooth mod on the elite, much more comparable to comfort setting on bowtech, also Era is much faster with speed mod should be a factor, and Era is actually lighter than its aluminum brother should be a factor. Having said that love your stuff and keep it up
What do they feel like on let down? Some are hard to let down like PSE and some are easier like bowtech. Just curious, some times you gotta do that and I’d like to not make a crap ton of noise.
I got a Bowtech carbon one off this review! It’s my favorite bow to date. Owned 5 Hoyt carbons and 4 PSE carbons. It’s not the lightest but excellent for an 30 inch axle to axle which I don’t usually like. String angle decent for 29/29.5 inch draw
Great Video. Personally I would love to hear your thoughts on how “they hold” I know others would as well) We know it’s subjective much like the grip. Im the same way (bowtech frip is my fav grip). But we would like to get your opinion on how you think each one holds and sits for you… Awesome video man! Keep them coming please sir!
Love my Carbon One! And for any of you military out there they give a great discount on one bow per year for you. Took away some of the sting for going Carbon this year🏹
Would agree with your decision because of the criteria except after shooting all 3 u showed I'd buy a PSE mach 1. If ata didn't matter than mach 34 wins
All in all I believe everyone knows deep down that there are no longer any BAD bows so it just comes to personal preference, in saying that in the shop I ended up buying a Mathew’s and hated the feel of The CORE, after a few months of practice I realized my shooting was horrible. I went back and shot all the new bows again and after it came down to the Carbon 1x and The alpha x I chose the 1x. I’m shooting better now than I ever have.
You're a bowtech guy.... skewed from the start. I *was* going to buy a Carbon one, however those octane strings SUCK. Picked up an RX7 instead. I've thankfully had zero issues with the factory strings that are on that bow, and will replace them in the fall. You keep talking bow quality, yet the parts that make them operate matter JUST as much as the completed device.
Given the current trend of Mathews bow’s prices a carbon bow would be to expensive for all of us! Their new target bows broke the 2k ceiling. What would a carbon offer be $2500-3000?! Can’t even image.
Lefty here. Looking at the RX7 ultra and the Phase 4 33 both fully loaded for the same price. I don’t have a place to shoot them side by side. Any recommendation?
Would be interesting to add a catagory for OEM accessories, maybe? A lot of these flagship bows have features that can only really be utalised by using OEM quivers/stabs/rests ect. I also feel like most people shopping for a new flag ship would be more likely to fit it out with OEM gear so it all matches
WOW!!! Man Josh I really notice a lot of your bow reviews your really anti Hoyt bias on everything that they make. Can you please kindly tell why, what is it that you have something against Hoyt I notice that another from. I think that you just don't really like their products!!!
I Honesty feel fit and finish is the least important and shouldn't be as much of a factor, like for instance the weight of the bow is more important. Just my opinion tho. Good video either brother 👍👍
I would like to see draw and vibration compared a approximately the same speed. That way the fast bows dont get penalised, when you have the option of turning down the draw weight to match the speed of a slower bow. Really enjoy the reviews, waiting for the longer ATA comparison.
30-31 ATA bows are for the vertically challenged. Test carbon bows of all lengths instead of trying to fit everything into some self-imposed box for confirmation bias.
I own both an rx7 and a carbon one. Both nice bows. BUT. I like and shoot better with the rx7. Still playing with the carbon one. Haven’t had the best luck with it. Just ordered an era and a rx7 ultra I will let you know. I do have different rests and sights but I’m ordering all the same from here on out.
Hey josh, good video great review but alittle bias towards bowtech much? Tune ability i get it fit and finnish i get it, price eh in Canada not much difference. But honestly thats where it ends. I can't say much about the carbon era, never shot one.
Fit & Finish isn't important if someone is straight up looking for the best performing bow. Same goes for price. I'd eliminate both of those categories. But your vid is best bow of the year not best performing bow of the year so maybe I'm wrong :D
I shot the Elite Era and Omnia and the Hoyt Rx7 and Rx7 ultra in my hand the RX7 ultra was by far the best bow, then the Omnia, then the rx7 and era felt even, not the same, but even i know the omnia isnt carbon...
Would be interested to see a short video addressing what you like in a bow and what is important to you. You often throw out little bits and pieces here and there but an overall baseline for what you like may be helpful when other people compare your thoughts on a bow to what they are looking for.
So this is not about the BEST carbon bow it's about 30 inch carbon bows SO how can it be the BEST carbon bow if the PSE is not included. What's length got to do with it.What a croc of you know what.
The let off adjustment on the era is a huge plus. 70-90% in 1% increments, and combined with the 1/4 inch draw length adjustments, you can really customize the draw cycle and hold to your liking.
Era also has the option to switch between cable stops, limb stops or both. Carbon One has the FlipDisc built in which is great. Era has the option for smooth mods (have them in my Verdict and they are great) but costs extra.
I owned a Omnia and everything was great about that bow except the sight picture! Cables in sight window bad no matter what we did! I just couldn’t gel with that so went to Bowtech.
Thanks for taking the time to do this review. I currently own an RX7 I've had for almost 1.5 yrs now, I've had my Era for for about 2 months now, and I owned a Carbon One for about 2 weeks right after release. I'm a Bowtech fan, so I really wanted to like it, but prefer the other 2 instead.
If you are giving points for draw cycle, don't you NEED a category for fps/energy? That Era w/ Perf mods is probably 12 fps quicker than the Carbon One, and the RX7 another 2-4 fps faster than the Elite. Also, fully setup w/ similar accessories, my Era has somewhat less feedback than the RX7. Despite the tuning disadvantages of the Hoyt, once it's set for you, it's set, and the back/sidebar mounting locations of the Hoyt and Elite are MUCH better than the Bowtech.
You make excellent points. The test isnt complete without adding those categories.
He’s a Mathew’s dude, they always are negative on hoyt since it’s their top competition..
Rx7 ultra all day. Comfort control shooting 50 plus arrows most days and still get excited like the first day of shooting after perfect tune. 80# 31 draw and its a lightweight rocket launcher.
I was always a fan of elite, but you are talking about the era being much faster with performance mods, well yeah it feels like 80 pounds . Elite use to have a really smooth easy draw cycle , well when they went for speed with these new cams, they totally sold out to an extremely stout draw cycle.
@@ShaneBolerHunting yep, definitely more hump in the draw, but it gives more options. Smooth mods still retain that Elite smooooth feeling. Win - win 😁
Why would Matthews want to make a carbon bow? They make enough money off their fan boys selling cam mods and stabilizers.
Lol exactly, this is a fanboy we are watching..
@@micahdunleavy9227 he mainly shoots Bowtechs
Maybe because there is a market for carbon bows as well. It’s always nice to have options.
Because they need to. I love the way their bow shoots, not saying it's the best, but in a subjective conversation, it's all personal preference. If mathews put out a carbon bow, I would check it out and absolutely consider buying that bow
@@TheManic.5-OHbut you wouldn’t consider buying a Hoyt carbon bow? They’ve only been producing them for over a decade.
Your only interest in carbon is if it says Mathews on it - definite fanboy.
I believe mass weight is an important category when comparing these carbon bows
Agree.
I think they should be weighed in a typical hunting setup and then compare how much heavier (percents) they are compared to the lightest. It should perhaps stay as a bonus category, as some people might like more weight, but the context would be great.
If weight is important, then let PSE in the contest.
@Steve they would've been if they made a 30" ata. He wanted it to be more of an apples to apple comparison.
Seems like lately you don’t even need to watch these. You already know the Bowtech is always going to win.
Durability, Speed & Performance and weight should be categories. A big part of the Hoyt for me is that they dry fire their bows in a stress test. Now... how much of that is marketing hype, but still it's a selling point none the less. And performance is the other big thing. I'll trade performance during the shot for some vibration after the shot since these are mainly hunting bows. Personally I care less about vibration since it's after the shot, doesn't affect my arrow flight... unless you're arguing that force could have been in the arrow... then maybe.
Categories that I feel are subjective:
Grip and Fit and Finish. I'd personally swap those two for Durability and Speed/Performance.
Yes you make excellent points there. There shouldn’t be pure subjective categories. I don’t know how speed isn’t included.
Did you notice a difference with the string angles? I wear glasses and this matters greatly to me for setting peep height and head position.
MFJJ you did a great review brother. Keep doing your thing.
Josh!!! Omg lol please for the love of all things do a review and include the longer ata carbon bows (Mach 34)! I’d say the majority of your followers shoot 32-34 inch ATAs. It confused me when the last two reviews have only included 30” atas. I love your channel it’s BY FAR my favorite archery channel.
It would be super cool to see the bow your shooting while your shooting it, after all the video is about the bow correct?
I just feel like you can’t do a carbon bow review without PSE. They’re the only ones that make a carbon bow that actually makes sense because it’s light like carbon should be, I’m not bias on any brand of bow and it’s just picking them up that one makes sense as to why it’s carbon
The conductivity or, lack thereof compared to aluminium is a big reason for carbon on top of weight. The Elite is light too.
I have the RX7 Ultra, PSE LEVITATE, and just set up my new ERA. I tried the Carbon one. I could be wrong but it seems you favor Bowtech on must videos that you include that brand. But if it feels like you want to shoot it all day then it's probably the one for you. I say ERA is best A-Z I can shoot it all day.
Great vid always always a pleasure taking the time & watching & learning about the new products. If you have the time can you take a look at some of the premium target bows as well thanks MFJJ & all who is involved in the video production’s.
@podiumarcher do you ever get your beard hairs pulled out when you're shooting? I have a couple of times 😅
I was recently gifted a brand new Oneida Phantom. I guess I’ll work with that.
Did that bow fire unexpectedly when you were pulling the back wall or am I imagining things? 😂 you held your composure very well if that is what happened! Excellent content
100% but we've all done it lol
Real speed using an arrow you can build based on your 30" draw length. Probably closer to ATA speed.
I think Elite wins.. but weight and arrow speed matters too. Please try these out too.
Why not do the updated levitate from PSE? It’s close in axle the axle and unlike Hoyt actually changed some things.
Its your show but I think the score for features should be outside of the tuning.
Hey! Love your videos and these comparison videos. The thing I would add/not rate on these videos, is that the fit&finish. A camo on a bow will always look worse as finish than one color on a bow...so if we want to compare apples to apples I would not rate a camo bow(most of them will be dipped, and because of that will have disfiguration) in one category with a one colour sanded bow.
Did something happen after the first shot with the rx7, or just a editing mishap ? First shot happens you smile then it cuts. comes back after with let’s try the rx7
Personally I think the weight and speed rating are more important than the finish and back wall sound when buying a bow but that’s just me.
Bowtech on comfort mods, if so how about putting smooth mods on era?
I love my carbon 1
Very advanced review that would take way too much time, it would be cool if after tuning you could do a 40-50yd group test
I’d like to see a 1st bow buyer rate all 3 carbon and aluminum bows and see what they score them. That would be interesting
I was thinking beginning archer friendly
I keep seeing higher level bows being shown off, will or could you also do a best budget bow of the year? For those getting into archery.
Field and stream 2023 bow of the year did go to the xpedition x-lite. A review of the x-lite from the 🐐would be dope.
I think Mathews will be releasing a carbon bow within the next year or two.
Why no PSE Kemosabe?😊
Because pse bows suck ass 😂
@@traditionalbowhunter5862 no current bow sucks ass, almost 100% of the time it’s the shooter.
Why dont you try the more adjustable bow from bear execute ???
Still at 999 for bow but alot of stuff to do without changing cams and such. I still shoot a 2012 bear legion with gas string and black gold sight with fuse 10 in stabilizer more in extras than bow but like the way it fills
In my opinion accuracy should be most important. So adding a 20yard accuracy test and 40yard accuracy test would be huge.
Bummer. Not sure it makes sense to leave PSE off.
I do not like how the Omnia, Era and other new Elite bows have the cables in sight window! You can not tune it out on the 2 I have owned! If they fix that they may have one of best on market for cam features for sure. I owned both and just could not get use to it.
No pse ?
Best buget bow
Elite #1
Wearing a Hoyt shirt, so we know the real winner 😂!
He wore that to soften the blow when you started hating on them
Isn't the purpose of a carbon bow is to be very light and under 4 lbs bowtech is 4 lbs almost the same as a none carbon bow ?😊
Weight needs to be in there for category as typically it’s the reason people go carbon. Especially as 34 inch pse is lighter than any of those.
Mass weight and speed
I would add one more , how well they hold. Big deal for me anyway 😊
Bowtech is legit.
Speed and pse levitate u could have use
I agree
Mathew’s needs to join the rest of the market and develop a carbon bow
Yes there bows are awesome but
If a person walks into a pro shop with mind made up they want a carbon bow
Mathew’s is automatically out
So yes
Sorry Mathew’s step up to the plate
Would love to know your opinion comparing Mach 34 EC2 vs Hoyt rx7 ultra!
Owned both and liked my PSE Mach 34 better! Not as dead in hand as the Hoyt but shot it better and liked the shim system exchange more.
I’m not a speed freak, but I think speed needs a category. Bowtech might be smoother at 70#, but shoots at the same speed Elite at 65#. If someone is okay with a specific arrow speed they might realize 65, even 60 pounds can do the trick
If you watched his speed test the carbon one shot around 2-3 fps slower rated from the factory while elite and other company’s was shooting 10-14 fps below marketed so can’t just look at what they say from factory
Lite Weight is one of the many reasons for spending a Extra $500 to buy a Carbon bow and I'm sorry to say the Bowtech Carbon One needs to go on a serious Diet, its heavier than a lot of the Aluminium bows...
Did you have the Bowtech and the Elite both with Performance mods or both on Comfort Mods...
Speed and gross weight of the bow should have higher importance than say something subjective like how the grip feels, especially when grips are changeable. It’s nice to have a light chassis so that you can add weight to balance and dampen the bow. Starting with a heavy riser limits that. Otherwise good comparison.
I'm an Elite shooter. But I would have picked the Bowtech as well. Bowtech are building some impressive bows right now. I'm also loving your more laid back approach this year. Not sure what you have changed, but you're content is really enjoyable this year. You and Tim are a good dynamic together as well.
Spoiler alert
I think you should add speed, actually measured with actual hunting weight arrows. But awesome video! Please do more reviews like these. Target bows next? :D
This felt like it was so not objective. And how is weight not a category when talking about carbon? That is the one of the biggest reason to spend that kind of money? Or if your going to be objective, put the carbon one on performance. So disappointed with the best bow reviews. Especially because eliminating bows based on ATA. Sad.
He’s anti Hoyt…
The fact you're wearing a Hoyt shirt in the video and eliminate it first shows the unbiased nature of these reviews!
MFJJ hating on Hoyt and loving on Bowtech. Shocker!!
Bow tech and Mathew’s…
It’s pretty sad, no PSE that actually makes carbon bows. But yet mattews is on the list that doesn’t make a carbon bow. So yes I would say he leans towards some brands for sure, but his content is al so good. 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻
Grip is so subjective I almost think it needs to be left off. FPS is measurable and can tell the shooter if the difference in feel is justifiable. A slow single cam would score off the charts in feel but the performance isn’t there for example.
Lastly, how cool does the bow make you look in the tree. If you take a selfie and post on insta which bow will get the most likes. 😂
Hoyt wins then..
An EC2 Levitate might be a good option?
It is the best option for speed, but not in a 30ata.
A spongy backwall correlates to vibration. If the cams were timed correctly, both of those things would be greatly diminished.
R U shooting in comfort or performance with the BT C 1. Also real hunting speed with the average weight of 440 grain arrow
Guaranteed that he is shooting in Comfort setting. NO ONE will ever call Performance setting "butter."
@@PAKraig I sure do like the back wall on the performance side!!!
@@bertcard2307 can't argue that 👍🏼
People always talk about fit and finish take that out who cares what it looks like as long as functions properly.
Should have added in a speed test as well! In order for Bowtech to compete it will need to be on performance, in which it will feel different.
It is a really hard decision between the 2 best carbon bows. Unfortunately you don't have them there..... They are both made by PSE!
Am I the only one that doesn’t care at all if Mathews DOES NOT make a carbon bow?
Mathew's is my least favorite bow for 2023 so they better do something. I could give a rip less about; the useless rubber between the limbs, the same cams they've been running for years, the worse factory strings in the industry, the horribly noisy dump into the valley, massively overpriced accessories, 60$ modules to change draw length, the grip is too wide, their bows are top heavy, the top hat tuning is garbage when you have to buy them for an extra 60$(and yes ive yoke tuned, used deadlock, and set), and their bows are slow with a stiff draw. Omnia blows mathews out of the water all around especially for a speed bow not only with a better draw cycle but the omnia has less noise dumping into the valley and a better letoff oh and the letoff is adjustable which ive had zero issues with after 3000 arrows. Omnia not only has the closest Ibo speed rating of the year but it chucks a 500grain arrow 300fps which mathew's cant do with 75# mods. Next athens and bowtech have better draw cycles, better draw length adjustments, better letoffs, and no dump into the valley. Im not brand loyal and want the best bow for the money and mathew's can go f$%k themselves and yes I own a mathew's and its getting sold to buy an athen's elevate.
@@tsi-rocket4144you have mom and dad troubles mathews makes the best bows on the market and I own alot of flagship bows. The omnia control cable rubbing the top cam from the factory.
maybe if mathew's spends some more money on advertising they can sucker some more brand loyal ppl to keep buying their outdated bows. I want the best bow for the money and mathew's isnt it. Really changes when you shoot a bunch of bows and aren't sponsored by mathews.
@@tsi-rocket4144 yep, Mathews better do something because you don’t like them. I’m sure they’re on it right now.
@@tsi-rocket4144 elite totally ripped of Mathews this year with the wider limbs and longer riser. You bought a Mathews imitation. The whole world is “LOL-ing” you right now.
Hey it’s a great starting point for people to look at. But they need to do exactly what you did and try them out for themselves. Good video
I’ve heard the carbon one is the best shooting experience but why in the world would someone pay a “carbon” price for aluminum weight. Voids the whole purpose of a carbon bow IMO. Carbon should = big weight savings.
If you ranked them 1-3 for each category, with 1 being the worst and 3 being the best, then divide the total score for each bow by the number of categories, you’d have a clearer representation of how they stack against one another.
I'm sorry but You wrong. On what basis do you claim that simplifying the analysis method, will provide a more reliable result? It's exactly the opposite. That's one of the reasons why your grades at school range from A to F instead of A to C :) Apart from the fact that simplifying it won't be more precise, the results will be in the form of decimal numbers. How will this give you a clearer representation? :D
@@countdooku5703 scored ranking requires the reviewer to make a decision of what product does what category better or worse than the head to head competitors. Averaging that across the board is better for true comparison.
The example you used for grades in school doesn’t work. Grades in school are based on answering questions and completing assignments correctly. The answer key is the basis of comparison of comparison to a students work. Everyone in a class can score a 100 on a test. 3 bows in a comparison of which is the best can’t all be the best.
Speed. Change the Bowtech to performance so it will be the same IBO as the Era and see which draws better.
Or put smooth mods on the Era and it would be close on draw cycle. The 1/4" DL and letoff adjustability are huge. The Bowtech has nothing on the Era except weight and price.
Mathew’s reps have said that carbon is inferior material for bow manufacturing, but when you don’t make one I guess you would say that
Hey Joshypo do the comparison with the smooth mod on the elite, much more comparable to comfort setting on bowtech, also Era is much faster with speed mod should be a factor, and Era is actually lighter than its aluminum brother should be a factor. Having said that love your stuff and keep it up
What about stock cables and strings? I’d like to see that as a category in the comparisons. Great video and input as always.
What do they feel like on let down? Some are hard to let down like PSE and some are easier like bowtech. Just curious, some times you gotta do that and I’d like to not make a crap ton of noise.
I guess if you are not letting PSE in, you must be trying to determine second best?
Depends on who pays him the most money..
No speed consideration?
Nice vid! My SS34 put me on the podium 7 times this year so far both indoors and outdoors, no plans switching to carbon anytime soon.
I got a Bowtech carbon one off this review! It’s my favorite bow to date. Owned 5 Hoyt carbons and 4 PSE carbons. It’s not the lightest but excellent for an 30 inch axle to axle which I don’t usually like. String angle decent for 29/29.5 inch draw
Great Video.
Personally I would love to hear your thoughts on how “they hold” I know others would as well)
We know it’s subjective much like the grip. Im the same way (bowtech frip is my fav grip). But we would like to get your opinion on how you think each one holds and sits for you…
Awesome video man! Keep them coming please sir!
Love my Carbon One! And for any of you military out there they give a great discount on one bow per year for you. Took away some of the sting for going Carbon this year🏹
Who gives a military discount?
Would agree with your decision because of the criteria except after shooting all 3 u showed I'd buy a PSE mach 1. If ata didn't matter than mach 34 wins
All in all I believe everyone knows deep down that there are no longer any BAD bows so it just comes to personal preference, in saying that in the shop I ended up buying a Mathew’s and hated the feel of The CORE, after a few months of practice I realized my shooting was horrible. I went back and shot all the new bows again and after it came down to the Carbon 1x and The alpha x I chose the 1x. I’m shooting better now than I ever have.
You're a bowtech guy.... skewed from the start.
I *was* going to buy a Carbon one, however those octane strings SUCK.
Picked up an RX7 instead. I've thankfully had zero issues with the factory strings that are on that bow, and will replace them in the fall. You keep talking bow quality, yet the parts that make them operate matter JUST as much as the completed device.
Given the current trend of Mathews bow’s prices a carbon bow would be to expensive for all of us! Their new target bows broke the 2k ceiling. What would a carbon offer be $2500-3000?! Can’t even image.
Lefty here. Looking at the RX7 ultra and the Phase 4 33 both fully loaded for the same price. I don’t have a place to shoot them side by side. Any recommendation?
Would be interesting to add a catagory for OEM accessories, maybe? A lot of these flagship bows have features that can only really be utalised by using OEM quivers/stabs/rests ect. I also feel like most people shopping for a new flag ship would be more likely to fit it out with OEM gear so it all matches
WOW!!! Man Josh I really notice a lot of your bow reviews your really anti Hoyt bias on everything that they make. Can you please kindly tell why, what is it that you have something against Hoyt I notice that another from. I think that you just don't really like their products!!!
I Honesty feel fit and finish is the least important and shouldn't be as much of a factor, like for instance the weight of the bow is more important. Just my opinion tho.
Good video either brother 👍👍
75 grain Titanium Podium Half Outs for .204 to avoid adding back-weights or collar's to put 200 grains up front with 125 grain broad heads.
Doesnt the elite have a option to add limb stops to the cams?
I would like to see draw and vibration compared a approximately the same speed. That way the fast bows dont get penalised, when you have the option of turning down the draw weight to match the speed of a slower bow.
Really enjoy the reviews, waiting for the longer ATA comparison.
30-31 ATA bows are for the vertically challenged. Test carbon bows of all lengths instead of trying to fit everything into some self-imposed box for confirmation bias.
I own both an rx7 and a carbon one. Both nice bows. BUT. I like and shoot better with the rx7. Still playing with the carbon one. Haven’t had the best luck with it. Just ordered an era and a rx7 ultra I will let you know.
I do have different rests and sights but I’m ordering all the same from here on out.
I would have added weight and speed as categories.
Hey josh, good video great review but alittle bias towards bowtech much? Tune ability i get it fit and finnish i get it, price eh in Canada not much difference. But honestly thats where it ends. I can't say much about the carbon era, never shot one.
Fit & Finish isn't important if someone is straight up looking for the best performing bow. Same goes for price. I'd eliminate both of those categories. But your vid is best bow of the year not best performing bow of the year so maybe I'm wrong :D
FK Mathews. 😂 due to the expensiveness of their accessories, I would expect a $5000 after all. So bye
I shot the Elite Era and Omnia and the Hoyt Rx7 and Rx7 ultra
in my hand the RX7 ultra was by far the best bow, then the Omnia, then the rx7 and era felt even, not the same, but even
i know the omnia isnt carbon...
Would be interested to see a short video addressing what you like in a bow and what is important to you. You often throw out little bits and pieces here and there but an overall baseline for what you like may be helpful when other people compare your thoughts on a bow to what they are looking for.
Speed and weight are important, in my opinion. Love all the stuff you're doing on the channel!
I know it was released in 2022, but you should have include the PSE Levitate. Good review though.
So this is not about the BEST carbon bow it's about 30 inch carbon bows SO how can it be the BEST carbon bow if the PSE is not included. What's length got to do with it.What a croc of you know what.
Still shooting my Hoyt matrix , never found one that I thought was better
The Matrix also looks the best in my opinion