Vote. If this is possible , I would love to just see the opponent view directly after watching these vids. Seeing how confusing and insane it is from their POV would just be so hilarious.
Im surprised anyone played that one. It was really unique with the whole need to build bridges to attack. I also liked multi but was a pain to find ppl to play with.
My guess for game 1 is that your opponent tried to be greedy because he thought you already 3 bases up when you killed his scouting overlord at 4:10. That's why when you moved in with your Cyclones, there no units to be found. 😂😂😂
Oversaturated second and nearly completed third base should mean terran has like no units and low tech, yep But actually it was just oversaturated main and nearly completed second LOL
C&C here, mostly Generals. Later Dawn of War. Today I mostly play TBS because I've come to enjoy a more relaxing way of gaming (and my APM is embarrassing 😟). What I have most respect for in your videos is that it takes you 42 milliseconds to look at an opposing army, get their exact amount and composition, weight it against your assets and adjust your microing to have an advantageous trade. Stunning and entertaining! Cheers!
Nice, the Bongcloud returns! I was watching some old replays and finally remembered where i saw this strategy before. In 2014 there was a Heart of the Swarm map called "Habitation Station" - and there some terrans flew their starting CC to the gold that was right next to the main (way less workers back then, so the economy was not hit that hard in terms of absolute minerals lost). The original Bongcloud ;)
Hey! Older gamer here, I never played Warwind but I’d pretty much watch any of your RTS content because it’s all been enjoyable. The oldest RTS games I remember playing were Warcraft: Orcs and Humans and Dune 2.
I've never heard of Warwind, but I've played all of the Command & Conquer games. While not tehcnically the first, C&C is largely considered responsible for the rise of RTS as a game genre. You were talking about the charm of old rts games, C&C Red Alert 2 still is incredible and there are are a number of people including a couple youtubers that play it competitively.
my first singleplayer Dune 2 (amiga gaming) my first multiplayer was Starcraft 1 most of RTS I played was from Westwood Studios: Dune 2000 Red Alert 2, C&C Generals, Tiberian Sun (from most loved to less) also some Warcraft 3 Warhammer40k dawn of war (but only 1st)
Speaking of old RTS games.... I got started with the old Command and Conquer games on PlayStation as well as "DUNE: The Battle For Arrakis" on SEGA. Probably rented DUNE from the video store like 20 times, probably could have bought it 3 times over.
April Fool's day idea - intro a cast about SC2 patch just released, and play a game of SC1 with one of your SC2 challenge strats that can be replicated reasonably well :) And the CC fits on the 3rd
Starting with the perfect name for that strat, i feel this is the ultimate uthermal build , it reflects your humor and the pure psyop nature of that build is fascinating to see in effect. 10/10
Thermal, I started watching your videos a week ago and really started to get interesting in SC2. I picked the game up 2 days ago and watched your Terran 3 rax 2 base beginner build. I practiced it on AI until I got to very hard then started playing online. I couldn’t believe I got placed in Gold 1 and am winning games in gold after 2 days. Already learning the adaptations and I’m addicted to the game. Can’t wait to go through the whole Terran school series! Love the content and challenges. Keep it up man.
From what i remember, i played: C&C Series, Sc and Wc series, total annihilation, dawn of war series and lesser known ones like kknd and netstorm. All games ive sunk hundreds of hours into and have fond memories of.
I'm pretty old and I remember playing lots of rts in the 90's: warcraft, dune, kknd, c&c, red alert, age of empires etc, but this is the first time I'm hearing about War Wind.
I'd love to see you play other RTS games. It could actually be a series of you trying out new RTS games for the first time to see how you approach them :)
I haven't heard of Warwind, but I would LOVE to see you play it! Your story also reminded me of an RTS I played as a kid, Star Trek Armada. At the time I didn't really understand what I was meant to do in the game, but I'd love to see it played properly after all this time haha.
"It doesn't really work very well, but it has its own charm"..... That's SC2 without content creators... We love you. And the other content devs. We follow maybe 2 of them too!
The first RTS I played was Warcraft: Orcs & Humans. I was a nerd that read Dragonlance novels lol. I still cannot believe how good you are at improvisational play.
War wind was dope. Imo Other cool rts from 90s-early 2000, (besides c&c of course): KKND, submarine titans, dune 2000. Also, there was this Korean starcraft ripoff. Atrox it was called I think.
All of those are great. Worth mentioning warlords battery, total annihilation, dark reign, original war, battle realms, stronghold, age of empires, galactic battlegrounds, the list goes on . . . Submarine Titans!
I only know of WarWind because my dad played Warcraft and when he asked the gameshop guy what would be similar he showed him Starcraft. My dad didn't like how futuristic it looked, so the guy showed him War Wind after that. My dad ended up buying both that day. I never tried WarWind, but I fell in love with Starcraft.
Warwind - never heard about this game, and probably not the youngest gamer. Glad to see that bongcloud returns, because it means Sky Terran might return at some point. One more thing - have you ever considered doing a crazy strategy on maps with golden minerals: proxy one base all in into bongcloud near golden minerals. The idea is you proxy near golden minerals, you all in along with scv's, and meanwhile you fly your CC into golden minerals. In your all in you micro back almost dead scvs, and if your all in fails you still try to fight on a golden base you have. I just though it sounds crazy enough for you to try it.
Lol I thought this referred to Chess for a sec (Chess has a meme opening called the "Bongcloud" opening.) Wonder if there's a Starcraft-Chess demographic in the audience here lol. EDIT: After seeing the challenge - it is ironically similar to the Chess Bongcloud! In Chess you use your second move to move the king to a dangerous square while also impeding your own pieces (Basically slowing down your progress and inviting unnecessary risk) EDIT: EDIT: So it is a Chess reference haha, thanks uThermal for clearing that up, cool to hear you're into Chess too.
Me and one of my closest friends are chess enjoyers, originally we gave the name 'Bongcloud' to another meme build but then we realised how perfect THIS build was for the name Bongcloud. Then I started my first X to GM Series :P
@@uThermal Ah, awesome lol. It really is a 100% spot on name! Even the actual motion of the base lifting up is perfect lol. Love it, thanks for letting me know.
@@OldGregg253check out Beyond All Reason - it's basically a TA remake in the Spring engine (it evolved from TAspring, actually) - you might also be interested in Zero-K, Supreme Commander, or the total annihilation mod Escalation
Nope, never heard of it, but I'm a sucker for old PC games, especially RTS. Just gone through a longplay of the original Dune video game, so if you ever feature that game here for fun or so, that would be grokingly swood.
Love to see the OG challenge return!! The mindgames and how shockingly far this went were two greatly memorable things about this challenge. 😂 That hidden base was DISGUSTING 🤩👏
I think the Cyclone needs at least +1 Range to it's Lock-on Range, but keep the Range the same for getting locked-on, so you still have to risk alot to get the lock-on, but now the cyclone can kite more effectively. I think a late-game upgrade (Requiring Fusion Core), maybe kind of expensive or long-time research, but gives a +5 or +10 Damage to "Armored" targets would allow them to be useful later on.
Theyd never be useless... and therefore it would just be mass cyclone and max upgrades as fast as possible. I think its almost op right now, it being a viable unit through the midgame.
Was just thinking the armored damage thing literally seconds before seeing your comment... Using them to little effect and seeing them vs the ultras, yeah...
Oldest RTS I played was Age of empire 1. I had a lotta fun. next was generals the tiberium wars. and dawn of war 2 the SC2 then SC1. haven't played nothing since
Never heard of warwind, but when I was a kid my friend and I rented Dune 2: battle for arrakis for sega Genesis. I’ve heard that that may have been the first RTS.
With regards playing old RTS - look in to playing "Dune 2" on the amiga (emulated no doubt). it's the first recognisably modern rts but it's soooooo clunky. would love to see a pro play it.
I think I astutely just noticed him make a mistake in the 2nd game! Could he not have landed those Vikings way earlier on those tanks and gotten them for free?? I feel like they were just chilling not landed right above them for awhile lol and then when he did finally land them it was as the enemy reinforcements came and he didn’t get all the tanks
The 4th can also be protected by one location too, lol. It has two entrances but they're so close together that siege tanks between them can actually cover both
The 4th can also be protected by one location too, lol. It has two entrances but they're so close together that siege tanks between them can actually cover both
Series rec: I think it would be so awesome to see thermy try playing with the Scion custom races! They’re legit so well done and all have some really interesting mechanics and units. Freakin love the Terran like one has essentially bombers and you can do actual bombing runs! Haha
Couple questions - 1) why do you call it a "natural"? 2), what is the advantage of flying your CC to it right out of the box when you tend to get scouted anyway? Seems to me it puts you a few hundred mineral in the hole right out of the gate..no?
This is so dumb, i love it 😂 Floating your main CC to your expo from the start, is like forcing the Firedepartment to use tap water to put out your house fire
Been wishing you would do some different kind of content than just ladder games. Still love them but would be so cool to see you play the SC campaign, or the other RTS you're talking about in the video.
I didn't recognise the name Warwind, but after looking at a video here I can say, yes indeed I played it. I just don't know if it was 1 or 2 or both :x I do remember liking playing those plant/eye green thingies? And wasn't there like an option to upgrade them midgame? I don't remember ^^' But yeah, I know of that game and played the campaign for sure and I even wasn't "that" young during that time, well into the double digits already :x
I would enjoy you including funny little replay clips from your opponent's POV after the match.
Vote
Vote^^
do this!!!
Vote.
If this is possible , I would love to just see the opponent view directly after watching these vids. Seeing how confusing and insane it is from their POV would just be so hilarious.
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Yes please highlight some of those quirky old games that you've enjoyed! Interesting to see where the genre started
"Guys I've been playing this game and made a really silly build" I'M HOOKED
Probably the most niche old RTS I played was called NetStorm: Islands At War. It was pretty awesome
Im surprised anyone played that one. It was really unique with the whole need to build bridges to attack. I also liked multi but was a pain to find ppl to play with.
My guess for game 1 is that your opponent tried to be greedy because he thought you already 3 bases up when you killed his scouting overlord at 4:10. That's why when you moved in with your Cyclones, there no units to be found. 😂😂😂
Oversaturated second and nearly completed third base should mean terran has like no units and low tech, yep
But actually it was just oversaturated main and nearly completed second LOL
I love it when uthermal takes a secret base...in his main
C&C here, mostly Generals. Later Dawn of War. Today I mostly play TBS because I've come to enjoy a more relaxing way of gaming (and my APM is embarrassing 😟).
What I have most respect for in your videos is that it takes you 42 milliseconds to look at an opposing army, get their exact amount and composition, weight it against your assets and adjust your microing to have an advantageous trade. Stunning and entertaining!
Cheers!
Nice, the Bongcloud returns!
I was watching some old replays and finally remembered where i saw this strategy before. In 2014 there was a Heart of the Swarm map called "Habitation Station" - and there some terrans flew their starting CC to the gold that was right next to the main (way less workers back then, so the economy was not hit that hard in terms of absolute minerals lost). The original Bongcloud ;)
Scarlett vs Bomber Red Bull Battlegrounds, never forget! :D
Hey! Older gamer here, I never played Warwind but I’d pretty much watch any of your RTS content because it’s all been enjoyable. The oldest RTS games I remember playing were Warcraft: Orcs and Humans and Dune 2.
I've never heard of Warwind, but I've played all of the Command & Conquer games. While not tehcnically the first, C&C is largely considered responsible for the rise of RTS as a game genre. You were talking about the charm of old rts games, C&C Red Alert 2 still is incredible and there are are a number of people including a couple youtubers that play it competitively.
In the same vein, Dune 2 is THE classic RTS (same vein as in Westwood-games as well).
RIP Westwood, I miss you.
@@SindarinElealar Dune 2 was single player. My first time playing multiplayer was Warcraft 1 over a modem with friends.
my first singleplayer Dune 2 (amiga gaming) my first multiplayer was Starcraft 1 most of RTS I played was from Westwood Studios: Dune 2000 Red Alert 2, C&C Generals, Tiberian Sun (from most loved to less) also some Warcraft 3 Warhammer40k dawn of war (but only 1st)
@@deropl2667 Dark Reign, Total Annihilation, KKND, Earth 2140 ... just to mention a few nice others.
I played warwind! That's a blast from the past. I'd watch a warwind throwback video for sure.
Speaking of old RTS games.... I got started with the old Command and Conquer games on PlayStation as well as "DUNE: The Battle For Arrakis" on SEGA.
Probably rented DUNE from the video store like 20 times, probably could have bought it 3 times over.
April Fool's day idea - intro a cast about SC2 patch just released, and play a game of SC1 with one of your SC2 challenge strats that can be replicated reasonably well :)
And the CC fits on the 3rd
Yes that wouod be great thermal plz do
Starting with the perfect name for that strat, i feel this is the ultimate uthermal build , it reflects your humor and the pure psyop nature of that build is fascinating to see in effect. 10/10
I do remember War Wind! And I'll have you know I'm not 50! (I'm 42)
I'd love to see you play War Wind. The nostalgia would be real.
There is exactly ONE place where you can fit a command center in the third in this map, figured it out yesterday.
the mass banshee game feels like me playing starcraft as a little kid. "what if I just got a million wraiths" didn't work that well.
The command center does fit on the low ground. There isnt a lot of space but it does fit
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I would love to see someone who's been a SC pro play old RTS. If you ever touch C&C it would be a dream come true, just imagine the Recon Bike micro.
artosis just played dune 2000 on stream the other day lol
Total Annihilation was the first RTS for me. So many good memories of that one.
Amazing game. I still play it from time to time.
Never heard of Warwind before but looks interesting, alot like old school warcraft. Would be cool watching you re-experience it.
Thanks, Marc, for giving me the chills with your videos!
Thermal, I started watching your videos a week ago and really started to get interesting in SC2. I picked the game up 2 days ago and watched your Terran 3 rax 2 base beginner build. I practiced it on AI until I got to very hard then started playing online. I couldn’t believe I got placed in Gold 1 and am winning games in gold after 2 days. Already learning the adaptations and I’m addicted to the game. Can’t wait to go through the whole Terran school series!
Love the content and challenges. Keep it up man.
From what i remember, i played: C&C Series, Sc and Wc series, total annihilation, dawn of war series and lesser known ones like kknd and netstorm.
All games ive sunk hundreds of hours into and have fond memories of.
Thanks, Marc!
My favorite Bongcloud is when you tried for the gold base right at the beginning. :D
Warwind, that takes me back. The hardest part of that game for me was getting it to properly load on the ancient PC I installed it on
Bongcloud was one of my first introductions to your challenges, fun to see it again.
I'm pretty old and I remember playing lots of rts in the 90's: warcraft, dune, kknd, c&c, red alert, age of empires etc, but this is the first time I'm hearing about War Wind.
I'd love to see you play other RTS games. It could actually be a series of you trying out new RTS games for the first time to see how you approach them :)
War Wind was amazing! I remember struggling to win in it. Thanks for reminding me of it!
Swarm assault. That is my nostalgic rts game. Mark you should look into it
I haven't heard of Warwind, but I would LOVE to see you play it! Your story also reminded me of an RTS I played as a kid, Star Trek Armada. At the time I didn't really understand what I was meant to do in the game, but I'd love to see it played properly after all this time haha.
I think at mid 2:45 the command center can move down 2 and fit.
You're right. There's a 5x5 space there.
Speaking of old RTS games, did you ever play total annihilation or herzog zwei?
I'd love to see some WarWind! Nostalgia, baby!
"It doesn't really work very well, but it has its own charm"..... That's SC2 without content creators... We love you. And the other content devs. We follow maybe 2 of them too!
The first RTS I played was Warcraft: Orcs & Humans. I was a nerd that read Dragonlance novels lol.
I still cannot believe how good you are at improvisational play.
Dune II is the first RTS I remember playing. Very fond memories playing that one.
War wind was dope. Imo Other cool rts from 90s-early 2000, (besides c&c of course): KKND, submarine titans, dune 2000. Also, there was this Korean starcraft ripoff. Atrox it was called I think.
All of those are great. Worth mentioning warlords battery, total annihilation, dark reign, original war, battle realms, stronghold, age of empires, galactic battlegrounds, the list goes on . . . Submarine Titans!
I only know of WarWind because my dad played Warcraft and when he asked the gameshop guy what would be similar he showed him Starcraft. My dad didn't like how futuristic it looked, so the guy showed him War Wind after that. My dad ended up buying both that day. I never tried WarWind, but I fell in love with Starcraft.
love the throwback, this series is what got my sub!
This was an absolutely beautiful episode. I feel so bad for the guy in the second game. Dang that was a crushing defeat.
Warwind - never heard about this game, and probably not the youngest gamer. Glad to see that bongcloud returns, because it means Sky Terran might return at some point. One more thing - have you ever considered doing a crazy strategy on maps with golden minerals: proxy one base all in into bongcloud near golden minerals. The idea is you proxy near golden minerals, you all in along with scv's, and meanwhile you fly your CC into golden minerals. In your all in you micro back almost dead scvs, and if your all in fails you still try to fight on a golden base you have. I just though it sounds crazy enough for you to try it.
(Gauntlet narrator voice) Banshee shot the food!
Lol I thought this referred to Chess for a sec (Chess has a meme opening called the "Bongcloud" opening.)
Wonder if there's a Starcraft-Chess demographic in the audience here lol.
EDIT: After seeing the challenge - it is ironically similar to the Chess Bongcloud! In Chess you use your second move to move the king to a dangerous square while also impeding your own pieces (Basically slowing down your progress and inviting unnecessary risk)
EDIT: EDIT:
So it is a Chess reference haha, thanks uThermal for clearing that up, cool to hear you're into Chess too.
1. e4 e5 2. Ke2 😎
Me and one of my closest friends are chess enjoyers, originally we gave the name 'Bongcloud' to another meme build but then we realised how perfect THIS build was for the name Bongcloud. Then I started my first X to GM Series :P
@@uThermal Ah, awesome lol. It really is a 100% spot on name! Even the actual motion of the base lifting up is perfect lol.
Love it, thanks for letting me know.
I would really like a complete playthrough of "Lands of Lore", not an RTS but a RPG, would still be super fun to watch.
You can build the CC on the low ground in the backbase, it does fit!
Yes, very true! I scrolled waaay too far down to find this. Thought I might have to comment it myself.
Warwind was amazing, go for it!
Dune 2 was the first RTS I played. Pretty sweet, you should check it out!
Total Annihilation was my go to back in the day
Love that game so good for its time, love rts that has naval units, miss WC2 as well wish they'd remake both in the same style/engine as SC2😢
@@OldGregg253check out Beyond All Reason - it's basically a TA remake in the Spring engine (it evolved from TAspring, actually) - you might also be interested in Zero-K, Supreme Commander, or the total annihilation mod Escalation
Nope, never heard of it, but I'm a sucker for old PC games, especially RTS. Just gone through a longplay of the original Dune video game, so if you ever feature that game here for fun or so, that would be grokingly swood.
Love to see the OG challenge return!! The mindgames and how shockingly far this went were two greatly memorable things about this challenge. 😂 That hidden base was DISGUSTING 🤩👏
I think the Cyclone needs at least +1 Range to it's Lock-on Range, but keep the Range the same for getting locked-on, so you still have to risk alot to get the lock-on, but now the cyclone can kite more effectively. I think a late-game upgrade (Requiring Fusion Core), maybe kind of expensive or long-time research, but gives a +5 or +10 Damage to "Armored" targets would allow them to be useful later on.
Theyd never be useless... and therefore it would just be mass cyclone and max upgrades as fast as possible.
I think its almost op right now, it being a viable unit through the midgame.
Was just thinking the armored damage thing literally seconds before seeing your comment... Using them to little effect and seeing them vs the ultras, yeah...
25:01 why don't you land vikings on top of his tanks?
The CC fits between the two mineral patches and the ramp
Oldest RTS I played was Age of empire 1. I had a lotta fun. next was generals the tiberium wars. and dawn of war 2 the SC2 then SC1. haven't played nothing since
Older gamers ?? No way!! My first gaming exp. was on Text based MUDs like Gemstone III. =))
Never heard of warwind, but when I was a kid my friend and I rented Dune 2: battle for arrakis for sega Genesis. I’ve heard that that may have been the first RTS.
With regards playing old RTS - look in to playing "Dune 2" on the amiga (emulated no doubt). it's the first recognisably modern rts but it's soooooo clunky. would love to see a pro play it.
I also played war wind as a kid, it was super cool back then! Would love a video about it 😊
I think I astutely just noticed him make a mistake in the 2nd game! Could he not have landed those Vikings way earlier on those tanks and gotten them for free?? I feel like they were just chilling not landed right above them for awhile lol and then when he did finally land them it was as the enemy reinforcements came and he didn’t get all the tanks
I don't know if it will be too easy but how about a 'transformers' challenge?
Hellions/Hellbats, Vikings, Siege Tanks and Liberators
Speaking of old RTS, I think it would be fun to see you play some Dawn of War.
DoW1 is still unmatched today, amazing game
Another fun one. That Radhuset map lets you protect 3 bases from one ramp... pretty killer. And then you can easily extend to the 4th
The 4th can also be protected by one location too, lol. It has two entrances but they're so close together that siege tanks between them can actually cover both
The 4th can also be protected by one location too, lol. It has two entrances but they're so close together that siege tanks between them can actually cover both
Thanks, for the awsome content. You really are an inspiration!🤩
I have not heard of war wind, but I love RTSs.
Never even heard of warwind but it would be fun to see what gave uthermal his start with rtsses!
Oldest RTS "Siege" with the "Dogs of War" expansion. Very nice and complex castle sieging RTS. Only narrowly beating Dune 2.
It's time to bring planetary rush to gm back! New patch!
Make that War Wind video please! Just got the niche content.
Haha killing those buildings in order to prevent the Viper Energy was hilarious af. Also make a KKND Video pls ❤
My day was made when I saw a new Bongcloud episode! It's the silliest challenge and the name is pure cheese, epic matches!
Series rec: I think it would be so awesome to see thermy try playing with the Scion custom races! They’re legit so well done and all have some really interesting mechanics and units. Freakin love the Terran like one has essentially bombers and you can do actual bombing runs! Haha
I love the totally self internalized triple reverse mindgames of the first game.
Haven't heard of warwind, but would love to see a video about it! Some good nostalgic C&C, AOE, SC1 or WC from you would be amazing
Oh man, I have some fond memories of War Wind. Didn't age terribly well, though.
A shot of nostalgia and you still clutch it! GGWP XD
ooh man i was thinking about this challenge the other day legit tellign myself i wont ever see it being done again XD
An interesting challenge is you have to completely mine out one of your opponents bases or die trying.. with mules you could do it in about 3 minutes.
Did you never play Command & Conquer? The original was released in 1995
uThermal is one of the greatest players in all of Starcraft! Viva la uThermal!
Omg yes the classic bong cloud. Only this time his outplays have gotten absolutely insane ❤❤❤
I really enjoyed your BC + widow mines to GM. But this video was Fun as well :)
I got a PC around 1999, and Warcraft2 was my 1st RTS. Well I played Dune2 at friends house before that, but that does not count 😅
Our tolerance-break was killing us. Thanks for the amazing Bongcloud :)
Dune 2000 man. Best game.
I’m wildly expecting a Zerg episode of “beat GM with single unit”! Cheers!
banelings🤣🤣
Couple questions - 1) why do you call it a "natural"? 2), what is the advantage of flying your CC to it right out of the box when you tend to get scouted anyway? Seems to me it puts you a few hundred mineral in the hole right out of the gate..no?
i like revisiting the old strats on the new maps
This is so dumb, i love it 😂
Floating your main CC to your expo from the start, is like forcing the Firedepartment to use tap water to put out your house fire
Been wishing you would do some different kind of content than just ladder games. Still love them but would be so cool to see you play the SC campaign, or the other RTS you're talking about in the video.
Yes! make the old video games. Command and conquer playthrough!
this was incredible lmao
I think you have a new challange - mine out you opponents expansions
F2 only challenge please
I didn't recognise the name Warwind, but after looking at a video here I can say, yes indeed I played it. I just don't know if it was 1 or 2 or both :x I do remember liking playing those plant/eye green thingies? And wasn't there like an option to upgrade them midgame? I don't remember ^^' But yeah, I know of that game and played the campaign for sure and I even wasn't "that" young during that time, well into the double digits already :x
Speaking of retro games, I cut my teeth on Dune 2. That game was so good.
I missed it so much! My fav challenge, it's so dumb. 😂 I wish u would go for bases other than natural tho, esp on maps where it's almost as close
The Bongcloud opener has no weaknesses. LMAO
I remember playing warwind on a windows 95 demo disk along with a diablo 1 demo.
I WAS JUST REWATCCHING THIS SERIES LETS GOOOOOO THANKS MARK
Never heard of it 😅 the 1st RTS I played was warcraft on PlayStation 😆