It looks like you actually did start at Burro, right? The shuttle drops you off at Geyser Pass, then you ride the Burro Pass trail to the Pass, then down into the aspen grove.
No we did do the Whole Enchilada start, we parked at the Google Maps approved car park and rode in from there. You then come up the saddle and over the top of it into Burro Pass.
Excellent video. Done it 3 times, I generally take the 10:00 shuttle and finish 3/4:00pm. I have also ridden up from town to LPS, that makes for a full day too.
I second the recommendation for running tubeless tires on this ride. 2014 was my first go, and I ran tubes back then; had four flats total. Last year was my second time, running tubeless for a rematch. Zero flats.
Yeah I have no idea how someone could get through with inner tubes! There's so many square edges you're almost guaranteed to get taken down. How long did it take you to get from top to bottom?
Exactly! Lots of locations to get a good ol' snakebite on a tube. I think the first time I went was 5 hours, last year was about 4 including some stops to admire the views.
Yeah that sounds about right. I forgot to put more pressure in my shock to account for the extra weight from my bag (don't normally wear one) and it rode in such a weird way! Such a classic punter move....
Good video. Self described "intermediate riders" will figure out how true that is on this trail. We did it with 5 of us and we would probably all describe ourselves as "intermediate riders." Myself and another had a great time. The other three struggled greatly. "Intermediate" in the context of this trail means you can comfortably decend steep rocky terrain and can handle 12"-18" drops. Otherwise, you'll be walking... A LOT. The one guy in our group with tubes went through 6 of them on this ride...
I hope he got on the tubeless program! I'd probably say that's an accurate account of an intermediate rider, maybe not so much the size of the drop but the confidence to get that lunge going with little speed. Hope you had a good time.
Travis Lambert the whole enchilada has tougher sections than captain ahab. I consider mysel an intermediate/advance rider, and i rode captain ahab without having to walk any sections (of the downhil) On WE i had to walk about 5 sections, there are a lot of larger drops and rocky technical sections.
We rode 3 days, took a day off to rest, went and did some shooting, then did TWA. We took the 7:30 am shuttle and with the 5 mile ride back into town we finished at 2:30 pm, I was totally exhausted! I ran short of water and there are no opportunities except the streams off the top of burrow pass to fill back up also we were lucky our hotel had a jacuzzi and pool! What a life saver! Get massages in town too, got one early in the week and hit the local yoga studio so I was ready for the rigors of TWA! Great fun, a must do!
I have ridden WE 3 times, usually 4.5 hours of riding and 6 to 8 to complete. 3 to 5 hours of breaks, fixing flats and bicycle repair, add in 1.5 hours for the shuttle, start at 7 am and complete around 3 to 6 pm. Would do it again, 3rd week in September, lots of light and the aspen are at max color. Unless you can sprint the entire way, get the early shuttle. Did it on a Specialized Stumpjumper twice and Niner Jet 9 RDO once. RDO definitely better. But a 160 to 180 mm travel bike would make it smoother.
I did it in 6.5 hours, I stopped several times for snacks and had a couple spills that slowed me down. BRING LOTS OF FOOD AND SNACKS as well as water. Need to keep your energy up. My Garmin battery gave warnings right after Burro Pass due to the cold. October and 25 degrees F at Burro. I put it in the sun at every stop and it lasted. After the temp rose above 40 it stopped giving warnings and lasted to the end. Also, 8000 feet down but 2000 feet climbing.
That trail looks amazing just you your bike no more noise from daily life just being able to truly enjoy riding your bike I bet you had one Hell of a time there I know I would
Gooood video mate, looking around for must do trails in BC and the US and I'm always wondering if I'll have enough to get the most out of them. I like this approach!
I had the 3 liter camelback full, a protein drink and a Gatorade. Big mistake I dumped out some water at the top because my back was hurting. Looking back that might have been enough if had just drank it quickly. Can’t wait to do it again this year!
Ooooosh that's a lot! Did you try some electrolytes in the water? I find that the powdered gatorade stuff really helps and then you don't need to drink as much. But I'd have probably done the same thing with the water had my back been hurting haha.
I think this trail is somewhat over-rated (mainly because it get's TOO MUCH hype so some people go in expecting too much), but that's not to say it isn't awesome and should be on everyone's list to do at least once. Book a shuttle (don't forget to tip your driver) and get an early start (most shuttles leave around 9 am). Don't forget a good breakfast, and bring a sandwich. You can't bring too much water. Also I prefer to park at the bottom of the trail (P-Rim trail head) and ride from there to town in the morning (down the bike path) to catch the shuttle. Make sure there are cold beers waiting for you in the car and enjoy it next to the river at the end of your ride.
That's some good advice! I reckon if you cut out that 4x4 track bit you'd have a golden lap, it really did just go on for a bit too long. Burro Pass and Hazard County are definitely worth hyping up.
Yeah, when I did it a few years back we took the road back into town. We had one guy that ran out of water and was suffering the last few miles of trail. Thankfully they were running sprinklers at one of the pullouts in the canyon and he was able to refill before the ride back into town. I don’t think you can have too much water on this ride! If you have a weaker rider or are concerned the trail is too long I definitely recommend your advice of having a car at the end. Oh, and beers!
Thumbs up on the P-rim trailhead tip. I can't comment on the hype-to-awesome ratio as my date with destiny is 3 weeks out. Certain it will be everything and more in most cases and less in few others.
I went in June and anything higher than where we started in the La Sal's was still closed off. We did 24 miles and that 4x4 road nearly killed me. I agree with you, everything besides that is pure awesome.
I will just say. I finally rode the trail yesterday… and Id say bump up the amount of water to at LEAST 3L. I did 4L and a water bottle on my bike and still almost ran out of water.
I think of myself as a intermediate rider and am going to Moab in a couple days. I don’t have a tip of the line bike but I do have an 27.5 XC bike with tubes, do u think I could do it? Ps My dad would come and he has a diamond back overdrive, what about that?
Hey! I’m sure you’ll be fine. I was just recommending my best case scenario. As long as you look after your bike well enough it’ll likely go most places, but the xc bike might be a push. Sure the diamond back could do it!
Just did the trail. It’s a lot more loose rocks at the start and isn’t as smooth and flows which is sad. Way to many people so it doesn’t make it as peaceful.
Santana Lor I’m on a Transition Patrol Carbon and Ralph was on a Kona Process. A 140mm 29er would be the dream down here (if it’s size appropriate for you), the larger wheels would just roll a lot better on that middle portion of the route!
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Has anyone actually been able to start at Burro Pass? Looks like you can on the map...
Yes just need to time it right.
I've gone there 3 times and only once got to start at Burro pass, even then there was a bit of snow. Sweet descent but a steep climb to get there.
I was pretty sure you could start on Burro Pass according to Trailforks, but not sure how it would even start...
It looks like you actually did start at Burro, right? The shuttle drops you off at Geyser Pass, then you ride the Burro Pass trail to the Pass, then down into the aspen grove.
No we did do the Whole Enchilada start, we parked at the Google Maps approved car park and rode in from there. You then come up the saddle and over the top of it into Burro Pass.
Excellent video. Done it 3 times, I generally take the 10:00 shuttle and finish 3/4:00pm. I have also ridden up from town to LPS, that makes for a full day too.
Nice work!
I did this trail when i was 15 so very doable. Hands down best ride of my life, there's nothing else like it. 29er Spesh Enduro was perfect!
I second the recommendation for running tubeless tires on this ride. 2014 was my first go, and I ran tubes back then; had four flats total. Last year was my second time, running tubeless for a rematch. Zero flats.
Yeah I have no idea how someone could get through with inner tubes! There's so many square edges you're almost guaranteed to get taken down. How long did it take you to get from top to bottom?
Exactly! Lots of locations to get a good ol' snakebite on a tube. I think the first time I went was 5 hours, last year was about 4 including some stops to admire the views.
Yeah that sounds about right. I forgot to put more pressure in my shock to account for the extra weight from my bag (don't normally wear one) and it rode in such a weird way! Such a classic punter move....
Hahaha! Sounds like some mistakes I've made on my two-wheeled adventures, so you're not alone. :)
Good video. Self described "intermediate riders" will figure out how true that is on this trail. We did it with 5 of us and we would probably all describe ourselves as "intermediate riders." Myself and another had a great time. The other three struggled greatly.
"Intermediate" in the context of this trail means you can comfortably decend steep rocky terrain and can handle 12"-18" drops. Otherwise, you'll be walking... A LOT.
The one guy in our group with tubes went through 6 of them on this ride...
I hope he got on the tubeless program! I'd probably say that's an accurate account of an intermediate rider, maybe not so much the size of the drop but the confidence to get that lunge going with little speed. Hope you had a good time.
dsm156 How does this compare to Captain Ahab in Moab so I can get a gauge. Thank you!
Travis Lambert the whole enchilada has tougher sections than captain ahab. I consider mysel an intermediate/advance rider, and i rode captain ahab without having to walk any sections (of the downhil) On WE i had to walk about 5 sections, there are a lot of larger drops and rocky technical sections.
We rode 3 days, took a day off to rest, went and did some shooting, then did TWA. We took the 7:30 am shuttle and with the 5 mile ride back into town we finished at 2:30 pm, I was totally exhausted! I ran short of water and there are no opportunities except the streams off the top of burrow pass to fill back up also we were lucky our hotel had a jacuzzi and pool! What a life saver! Get massages in town too, got one early in the week and hit the local yoga studio so I was ready for the rigors of TWA! Great fun, a must do!
Andrew Rivera that’s quite the adventure! How much water did you set off with? Can’t wait to try it again...but faster.
TWA?
Gives a really good sense of the trail and how to ride it. Allows the rest of us to not be as big of a punter!
I have ridden WE 3 times, usually 4.5 hours of riding and 6 to 8 to complete. 3 to 5 hours of breaks, fixing flats and bicycle repair, add in 1.5 hours for the shuttle, start at 7 am and complete around 3 to 6 pm. Would do it again, 3rd week in September, lots of light and the aspen are at max color. Unless you can sprint the entire way, get the early shuttle. Did it on a Specialized Stumpjumper twice and Niner Jet 9 RDO once. RDO definitely better. But a 160 to 180 mm travel bike would make it smoother.
I did it in 6.5 hours, I stopped several times for snacks and had a couple spills that slowed me down. BRING LOTS OF FOOD AND SNACKS as well as water. Need to keep your energy up. My Garmin battery gave warnings right after Burro Pass due to the cold. October and 25 degrees F at Burro. I put it in the sun at every stop and it lasted. After the temp rose above 40 it stopped giving warnings and lasted to the end. Also, 8000 feet down but 2000 feet climbing.
The beginning of your video is what I think every time I ride my bike 😂
Haha!
That trail looks amazing just you your bike no more noise from daily life just being able to truly enjoy riding your bike I bet you had one Hell of a time there I know I would
Gooood video mate, looking around for must do trails in BC and the US and I'm always wondering if I'll have enough to get the most out of them. I like this approach!
I had the 3 liter camelback full, a protein drink and a Gatorade. Big mistake I dumped out some water at the top because my back was hurting. Looking back that might have been enough if had just drank it quickly. Can’t wait to do it again this year!
Ooooosh that's a lot! Did you try some electrolytes in the water? I find that the powdered gatorade stuff really helps and then you don't need to drink as much. But I'd have probably done the same thing with the water had my back been hurting haha.
What kind of wheels were you on, Nukeproof horizon? Great vid mate!
I think this trail is somewhat over-rated (mainly because it get's TOO MUCH hype so some people go in expecting too much), but that's not to say it isn't awesome and should be on everyone's list to do at least once. Book a shuttle (don't forget to tip your driver) and get an early start (most shuttles leave around 9 am). Don't forget a good breakfast, and bring a sandwich. You can't bring too much water. Also I prefer to park at the bottom of the trail (P-Rim trail head) and ride from there to town in the morning (down the bike path) to catch the shuttle. Make sure there are cold beers waiting for you in the car and enjoy it next to the river at the end of your ride.
That's some good advice! I reckon if you cut out that 4x4 track bit you'd have a golden lap, it really did just go on for a bit too long. Burro Pass and Hazard County are definitely worth hyping up.
Yeah, when I did it a few years back we took the road back into town. We had one guy that ran out of water and was suffering the last few miles of trail. Thankfully they were running sprinklers at one of the pullouts in the canyon and he was able to refill before the ride back into town. I don’t think you can have too much water on this ride! If you have a weaker rider or are concerned the trail is too long I definitely recommend your advice of having a car at the end. Oh, and beers!
That's a great tip! I couldn't imagine having to ride back in to town after more than 5 hours on the bike.
Thumbs up on the P-rim trailhead tip. I can't comment on the hype-to-awesome ratio as my date with destiny is 3 weeks out. Certain it will be everything and more in most cases and less in few others.
I went in June and anything higher than where we started in the La Sal's was still closed off. We did 24 miles and that 4x4 road nearly killed me. I agree with you, everything besides that is pure awesome.
Is it weird that I feel like I can smell the fresh air in the beginning
I will just say. I finally rode the trail yesterday… and Id say bump up the amount of water to at LEAST 3L. I did 4L and a water bottle on my bike and still almost ran out of water.
"with a bit more moisture..."
-Ancient Ute mantra
very enjoyable video..great commentary too
Jason thanks Jason!
I need to wrangle some MTB buddies to meet up in Moab. Thanks for the inspiration Paul!
The Early bird doesn't always get the worm but the second mouse always gets the cheese...great vid
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The Whole "Enchilatter"? I love you guys are your wonky pronunciations!
Haha I wondered if anyone would pick up on this...
LOVING your videos Paul.
BikeDibley thanks Thomas! I’m pretty sure you were one of the first people to talk to me about riding there. Such a good trip!
Best day ever on a bike!
So sick! I'm heading out to UT for a ski trip mid March. Anyone know if the whole thing is ridable that time of year?
6.3 hours was one hell of a ride, towards the bottom of porcupine rim, I cramped up lol Good times
I loved it you just got another subscriber!
Ryan Wood thanks Ryan! Looking forward to your next comment :)
I think of myself as a intermediate rider and am going to Moab in a couple days. I don’t have a tip of the line bike but I do have an 27.5 XC bike with tubes, do u think I could do it?
Ps My dad would come and he has a diamond back overdrive, what about that?
Hey! I’m sure you’ll be fine. I was just recommending my best case scenario. As long as you look after your bike well enough it’ll likely go most places, but the xc bike might be a push. Sure the diamond back could do it!
Paul The Punter Great! Thank you
nice paul good video
Tom Fisher thanks a bunch Tom!
I did it on my Jamis Dragonslayer. 27.5+ No rear shock. Next time I will rent a full suspension bike ---- well maybe. LOL
Haha I think a full susser is the way to go :)
Did this with my family last summer, to say the least, I was in pain
Shall we do a World's group ride? 2019 perhaps.
It would be my first time ride in the USA
How do you think a 140/130 full suspension would do on this trail?
Probably perfect
Just did the trail. It’s a lot more loose rocks at the start and isn’t as smooth and flows which is sad. Way to many people so it doesn’t make it as peaceful.
6 hours to get back into town? Should be able to *almost* beat the shuttle bus back ;)...
Don't think we have any Aspens in South Wales..we got lots of larch.
Better book a trip out then :)
what bike are u using
Mohammad Ishaq hey Mohammad - I used a 160mm/155mm travel transition patrol
thanks
Which bikes were you guys on?
Santana Lor I’m on a Transition Patrol Carbon and Ralph was on a Kona Process. A 140mm 29er would be the dream down here (if it’s size appropriate for you), the larger wheels would just roll a lot better on that middle portion of the route!
Paul The Punter How do you feel the 27.5 was? I’m on the same Patrol and planning a trip in October. Wondering if I should just rent a 29er
But...what is the Whole "Enchilatter"? Ha!
Haha can’t believe you’re the first person to get me on that one!
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Engineered to party
Certainly.
Anyone from low altitude do this route? Did you die?
No reply...I think that means yes, they died.
Too easy and too far for me. Tks for the video.
I wouldn't want to be stuck limping, might be more fun on a well-designed e-bike to handle so much climbing.
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Holy shit - at it again!
What's you favorite mountain bike
Don't need the suspension? What a dushe bag!