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Spot on. The old Ioniq with its relatively small battery, efficient energy use and fast charging hits a sweet spot. When I stop for a coffee and a charge I barely have time to gulp the coffee down before it hits 80%. It is a very underrated car.
In the future you should do a race between the old and new IONIQ.
asd Asd I bet the old one would win😂
The old one would win.
@@newscoulomb3705 It did
If you make it a 250km race the new Ioniq will win. :D
Was thinking the same. Vote for rave between old and new Ioniq, Oslo - Trondheim - Oslo race! I bet the old one will more or lett knockout the ver 2.0.
Man, my C-zero charge at 41kW peak, and it's a 10year old model!
The voltage that Bjørn states in the first minute indicates 80 cells in series, which is the same as C-Zero.
But the C-Zero charges at 2.5C if the max cell temp is below 31°C. At that speed, the CC part of the charging ends at around 40%SOC. Only down hill from there.
At 38 kWh, the C rating is lower, and you will maintain the CC part at 125A for a longer time. At 1C you should hit CV at around 65%...
@@MichaelEricMenk Sometimes push the CC range up to 43-44%, but it depends on cell temperature!
Surely you have to factor in the point that with a 30% increase in battery capacity there is now a significantly increased chance that the vast majority of all daily commuting journeys will be covered in the new version. I think Hyundai understood this when deciding so change the model.
Significantly more journeys, for nearly all people, will be completed from a home charger with this model without ever using a fast charger.
The 1000 Km challenge creates great video content, but its a small factor in reality. For instance, I regularly drive 400km, which is a lot more than most do, this 38kWh version would be a good viable EV option in this case. & quicker than the 28kWh version
For 400 km you probably just need a quick top up along the way where you need a short 20 minute break anyway. Depending on temperature and average speed of course. For 500 km, that's another story. Now you need either two shorter stops or one long, so now you have to actually wait. For longer than your body needs.
got a soul ev 2018 and it charge the same seed not so bad
This!
I very rarely have to fast charge. With the shorter range of the 28 kWh model, more journeys would require more than one charging breaks.
The difference isn't night and day in the real world.
94% on the 1st gen car is the equivalent of 68% in the 2nd gen car. It only takes 6 minutes longer in the 2nd gen car to reach that.
I can live with this 6 minute extra wait at a charging stop as the 2nd gen is a much nicer place to be inside. Also the remote functions via the app are very nice to have, no more going outside to a cold/hot car, just fire the app up on spec and precondition the interior to your liking, and you can do this without the car being plugged in may I add.
Yep, I agree. Just acquired a 2021 Hyundia Ioniq EV and can charge Level 2 where ever I go in my area for free. I will probably never charge at home and occasional DC when I need it. Inside is awesome IMO and lease was super cheap.
Watching this, I am so glad I bought the classic Ioniq with heat pump. Going to pick it up on Thursday. Great video Bjørn as always
I had the old 28kWh Ioniq and loved it. The speed of DC charging was great, but for me in a country like Ireland where the charging infrastructure is poor at best, the new Ioniq makes a lot of sense. Taking that extra time at the charger in order to get the extra 80/90 km range is well worth it. To go anywhere here with the 28kWh Ioniq you really had to rely on ABRP and hope that it worked accurately. Anxiety of coming to a fast charger and it not working was a serious problem as you wouldn't have any range to get to the next nearest one.
Interesting watching this old video today. I think Hyundai must have made some changes to the system in later years of this model. My 2022 model charged today at 49 to 50 kW up to 60%, then dropped to around 38 kW until 75% when it droped to 24 kW. Still not great, but far better than what is shown here. About the same ambient temperature.
Yes I think that too.
My Ioniq Facelift 38kW it's faster than the video shows. In 40 minutes I can go from 10-80%.
In this video it's 10 minutes slower.
The video shows more the nowadays winter charging curve.
That's good - it at least brings it vaguely in line with the Zoe ZE50. I'm in the market for an Ioniq 38kWh at the moment and, whilst these days I'd be doing most of my charging at home, it's still good to see that the rapid charging speed of the 38kWh may no longer be as poor as it was when the videos on the release model were filmed.
It would be interesting to calculate up to which distance the new one is faster. For instance, a 300km trip -> new wins. 400km = close call... probably new. 500km -> old?
Brilliant news for us 40kWh owners ;) now it's hyundais turn to get roasted ;)
Why do car manufacturers never speak to you Bjorn?. It’s like they are not using the best and cheapest resource available to independently stress test their vehicles. I am sure they watch your videos. If not, this would be very stupid. A great car spoiled by some poor decisions made by Hyundai probably over a year ago. It could have been a serious Tesla rival had they fitted the bigger pack. After your telling review, this could now be their plan. Personally, I’m very disappointed as the new Ionic was shortlisted to replace my Leaf.
Colin Russell it’s all about money. Each company made product that way to make you buy it thinking is better than last product it’s like iPhone nothing really change still when you call its same call quality because it mostly depend of network but price hike above expectation and it will be same with ionic
It's not really to do with 'cheapest' or stress testing. This is an intentional design decision to use the large 38kwh pack with a lower voltage. These things are well tested, with decent components, these are deliberate design and component decisions. For most people doing the majority of charging alone, it's a superior car to the 28kwh due to increased range and much improved interior + Bluelink. On a 50kw charger, there's not really any difference between charging speed between old and new anyway.
I wonder who at Hyundai thought using this battery would be a good idea... They should be fired immediately!
It's sad when technology regresses instead of progressing...
Here’s a simple explanation of what is happening here : Huyndai built the first Ioniq thinking it would never sell. So they built it as a BEV/Hybrid/PHEV. So they were limited to the size and mass of the pack behind the axle as it is. The only way to put more capacity into the car is to install a higher energy density battery with the same chemistry. This means they have to make thicker electrodes, resulting in higher electrode to conductor ratios. Thicker electrodes result in slower charging speeds. They might also be limited in cooling capacity. What they need to do is build a dedicated EV sedan for this to work. The Kona was built to take 64kWh in the first place. It is so hard to explain to people who don’t drive EVs how important the chargespeed/range balance is.
Thank you for this comment!
I do agree with you! I think the original Ioniq was well done and there was no reasonable way of improving it, but market is always asking for something new, so they tried to improve the Ioniq but this was tecnically impossible.
If you want a better Ioniq you should wait for the next generation, hopefully to come in maybe 4 years time.
I think I prefer quicker recharging time to longer rage with a longer recharging time.
Welp, the Ioniq 5 is here.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND Ioniq 6 will be a better vehicle in my opinion. Crossovers are whack
@@samusaran7317 Ioniq 5 is just the sexiest one in the lineup, idc about whatever else about the range.
Great video, thanks Björn 👍🏻
Hi Bjorn ! I fast charge my Canadian Ioniq 2020 this week. I was able to charge at 41 kW up to 60%, then it drop to 33-35 kW (I stop at 64%). Of course, It's not a Cheetah, but it's better than your own test.
Excellent video, thank you. Hasn't put me off the Ioniq, as I only charge at low rate / off peak power at home :)
It takes so little to designate new product as trash. Somebody is getting fired at Hyundai.
I hope so.
It would be interesting to know how this slower charging decision was made - my guess it the accountants got involved
They didn't expect so many orders for the old one so you had to wait long time for it. The opposite for the new one... I have the old one since 4 weeks and I'm really happy with it.
I'm in the process of buying one of the last new Ioniq 28 kWh. Hope to get it on Saturday. The advantage of the old Ioniq is that if you need to get somewhere fast, you can do it by charging from 10 to 75%, which gets you 18 kWh in 17 minutes. In the new one, getting the same 18 kWh means charging from 10 to 58%, which takes 30 minutes. And as it tapers of more, it also does not make sense to charge more on the new Ioniq. In fact, for optimum travel time, you only want to charge to 50%. So if you want to get somewhere fast, you need to stop just as often or more with the new Ioniq, and you lose 13 minutes on each charge. Of course, this is somewhat counteracted by the longer first segment. Overall, I think that there are pros and cons for the new Ioniq; but I don't think they'll get away with pricing it at the level they have (~€5k higher than previous Ioniq) as there is not that much more value in it, and competition has increased significantly. So I expect quite high rebates in a year or so.
Compared to the old 26,3kwh fast charge limit:
Old Ioniq: 10-94% takes 30m
New Ioniq: 10-69% takes 37m
Exactly! And that means after driving the Ioniq38 let’s say for 250 to 300 km you will charge for 37 minutes to go for additional 200km.
In the Ioniq28 you will drive let’s say for 170 to 220km, charge for 30 minutes to go for additional 200km.
That means, the Ioniq28 needs to charge twice to reach 450 to 500km. The Ioniq38 only needs one stop.
So is 7 minutes enough to interrupt the trip twice, find the charging point, login to it, etc.
In my opinion it depends very strong on the use case which car wins the challenge.
If you go very often for long distances or you are for any reason often in the situation that you have to wait actively for getting enough range again, then Ioniq28 is the better choice.
In other cases the charge speed is not the main attribute you should focus on.
In my situation, I have no own charging possibilities, this extra range gives me the autonomy for the complete weekend. On Monday I can charge at my work again. From time to time I drive to the cost, 270km distance. The extra range gives my the possibility to drive there and let the car charge during my short Holliday’s on beach. And even if the distance would be 350km, the charging speed still would be fine to get the missing 50 to 80 extra km very fast.
And so on....
I would appreciate a real life comparison very much. BTW, as you can imagine, I will get one Ioniq38 and if you @Teslabjoern are interested to do this, Please get in contact with me.
And the 20min comparison is even more harsh.
@@ralfferfi2860 The old Ioniq goes from 12 to 87% in 20 minutes...no need to charge for 10 more minutes.
Besides, at this point i'm not sure the new Ioniq has so much more range
@@DeerKoden should be an extra 30 to 40 miles of range but that's just using paper numbers from the US, frankly the only reason why I would buy an ionic in the US is because they haven't lost their tax credit yet. Once that's over there's not much advantage over the current Nissan Leaf and I suspect most people will just spend the extra five grand to get a model 3
@@mrspeigle1 Yeah, i guess the retail price for both cars in the US is still in favor of the Ioniq, considering the tax credit. If the Ioniq currently costs 30k for the base model i could see easily people spending 6k more even for a Standard Range (without "Plus" features). The Leaf is a different matter imho, battery wise...or rather, cooling wise.
Ewwwww, 30 minuets to 60% thats pathetic my 2012 leaf would almost beat that.
In 30 minutes you get more range than the old ioniq. :)
@@salemazzam6502 not really beside it's a waste of time to charge the old one 30 min. 20 min can already charge from 12~87%
doesn't matter either way if you aren't going for long trip
In warm weather, I saw Leaf at 50% charging at 3 kW using 50 kW charger. I don't think any Ioniq would suffer as such thanks to cooling.
@@mychevysparkevdidntcatchfi1489 you never know...lol i mean the new one still need test but yea i doubt it
@@hollymolly518 Bjorn has video of new Leaf tapering at 47C. Around here where temp is typically 42C during the day, I suspect new Leaf will suffer just as bad as old.
It‘s so sad for the Ioniq. I can‘t understand how this could happen. Thanks for the test.
In anticipation of this, I already bought an old one. First thing was a 5.000km tour to Norway and back with extensive HPC usage. Wouldn't trade it for the new one.
New Ioniq feature: slow charging.
Meh.
Soon on your favorite channel: Ioniq deathmatch, old vs new. Someone call Pawel :D
Go on Bjørn!
So basically you should only fast charge to 68%, which equals about the range of the old one at 92%. Charging time for that is up to 10mins longer, that’s at least not completely terrible. Still a missed opportunity though.
I have the old Ioniq, and when i charge to 92% at this time of the year, I have a range of 220km. To reach that with the new one, you have to charge to 77%. This will took arround 47 minutes from 10%, and thats just way to long.
@@meiakla2519 Me too ;)
I've done the calculations based on the capacity in kWh, which gave me these numbers. 68% new = 92% old. Also, charging to 94% took more like 40mins with the old one too, let's be honest.
Hey man... Could you do this for the NIO cars, and also try their battery swaps... Haven't seen anyone do videos for those kinda tests for NIO
Björn, thank you very much for your energy. And thank you very much for this test. I think that the Hyundai ioniq is no longer an interesting and up-to-date electric vehicle.
Been waiting for your take on the Porsche Taycan.
Holy crap! One thing I like about my Ioniq is how quickly I can charge extra kilometres. Usually I spent 10 minutes or less at a FastNed to get me home.
Bjorn, on the 1000km, when did the Ioniq start throttling the charging rate?
Was it at the 1st charge or was it at the 2nd or 3rd? Would be interesting to know!
I hope the new solid state batteries will load that fast in real time! ;-)
Very sad to see. I can see many buying one and not knowing about this until they go on a longer trip. Bjorn I appreciate all your new EV reviews but anyone looking for a used EV perhaps would like to see a video comparing several of them for charge speeds. I think you probably already have the figures for say the Soul 30, leaf 30 and ioniq 28 already. It would be helpful to produce a video comparison of the speed/time they typically get on a charger to say 80%. Thankyou for all your continued coverage, you are easily the best reviewer and tester of EVs anywhere.
THX Björn i wil keep my classic Ioniq, the new one isnt an option!
The new VW e-up! will also charge with 40kW DC with a 260 km WLTP range and will start from 22.000€ (incl. 19% tax) in Germany. Quite a good alternative, I would say. :D (but only 4 seats)
Thank you for this honest video! I had that facepalm-moment with other EVs, too. With all EVs other than Tesla, there is always just one feature that fails and spoils the whole picture of an otherwise good car. Leaf has Rapidgate, Niro and Kona have long delivery times, Ampera-E has low production volume and slow charging, i3 has limited loading capacity, ZOE has no CCS, e-tron, iPace and EQC have low efficiency, many have only 1-phase AC...
Zoe has CCS as an option.
Thanks for verifying the rumor. Will Hyundai have to do a big recall of the new packs, to fix what may be an overheating problem?
Thanks for the info... Looks like I'm not trading up
Did the Ioniq BMS have an upgrade in the meantime? I hardly ever charge on a fast charger but this christmas i drove to my family (about 400km) and got consistent 48kw up to 55% and 35kw up to 75% SoC. Outside temperature was between 0°C and -5°C, winter mode was on and i tried to heat the battery by driving 140km/h for the last minutes before each charging stop. Unfortunately i don't have an OBD dongle so i don't know about the battery temperature.
Still not great charging but better than in this video and any other videos i could find. Maybe time for retesting if you have the chance? :)
If you look closely at the background ... Bjorn is parking in the redlight destrict!? :D
only you would know that lol
@@stacey37m ups... ;)
They should redesign the floor pan and put a full 64kwh in it like kia did with the esoul. The small pack doesn't cut it anymore.
But that would mean redesigned the whole car, more work, this is just a semi facelift, wait till the next ioniq for that I expect.
Would you think they might do an over the air update or is it actually hard ware design?
I'm looking forward to your future testing of the new one. I foresee lots of facepalming and “shiiiiets”. That’s a shame Hyundai have ruined the IONIQ. I don’t know what they were thinking for a 2019-202O EV. My classic one might not depreciate as quickly now ho-ho yes ✅
Do you think any of these issues are in the hardware, and they can't fix it with software/firmware updates?
So, was this a press unit they may have software limited the charge speeds or is this an actual production unit?
This is the reason I bought a used Ioniq in May. Waay better charging
And also in summer GOM shows me 268 km, which I normally get in practice
This is why I bought a new Ioniq in June.
The IONIQ Facelift it's perfect for people who can charge at home and do this a lot. For long daytrips he can't go as fast as new electric car's, but in the other hand many people with newer car's won't go that fast. I see this often. The average charging Session from many people its 30 to 40 minutes, no matter what car they have.
Of course in 30-40 minutes they're get more energy in the car than the IONIQ but the IONIQ don't need that much of energy he is efficient. In 40 minute's my IONIQ Facelift can go from 10-80%. So i think Hyundai updated this car. It is okay. With 80% energy you can drive 200 Kilometers and more if you want.
We had driven these days to the Nordkap with two Ioniq Facelift models.
We started from middle Germany and to the Nordkap, we need 5 days. It was 3000km one way. We never been there, it was our first big electric road trip. So fun and we had no problems with our two Ioniq Facelifts.
With in other EV, maybe we had could go faster to our destination, but for what reason? 5 day's, 3000Km it's okay, for a camping Trip. Our average consumption was 12,5 kWh/100km on round Trip. The whole Trip was 6350 kilometer. Best EV, and you can buy it for a got Price.😊
Good he found out. Won't matter too much to us charging almost always at home or slow chargers anyway. Still, it could hurt the 2nd hand value. One can hope that refusal to charge fast decreases degradation. But what's the consumption of the new vs old one, did Bjørn mention? If the battery Is 30% heavier as well it's almost sure to be worse, right?
What about new ionic vs old for slow charging at home, I am liking the idea of the bigger battery as I could go a full average day without charging and just charge at night.
So naturally on a 7kw home charger the bigger battery will take longer to charge but is it a linear charge time against the 28kw ionic?
Would be nice to have a comparison videos with both on screen to see the direct speed difference. Yes I know Iam lazy :D
i am 100% with you. I‘m driving the old one and Hyundai ruined the new one. Paying more money for slower charging speed makes no sense.
As an owner of the ioniq28 I was hoping they would nail the battery design on the next version: enough range to drive 2.5 hours at 110km (bladder range) with 5-10% range left ... charge for ~30 minutes to 90% and repeat.
I have the ioniq electric, and I’m waiting for next week to see what the new Volkswagen id electric is like, I was expecting the new ioniq to be a bigger battery range.
Was considering a 38kwh Ioniq to replace my Ioniq PHEV. Did not realise the Ioniq 38 was so slow to fast charge! Looks like I’ll be looking into the MG or BYD options..
On the Czech official website I was able to find datasheet for the new Ioniq Electric 38,3 kWh. It says the DC charging is rated at 50 kW for the base trim level and with an optional packet called "efficiency" it is rated double at 100 kW. Is that a mistake in their spec sheet?
Video title "fast charging"? Good joke 🤣
This car would meet all my needs and I'll buy it. We have another gas car which we can use to drive long distances. Ioniq is perfect to commute to work, shopping and for weekend trips when I usually do between 200 and 300 km. Charging almost always at home. But I agree with all critics that charging time can be disappointing and annoying if Ioniq is meant to be the only car in a family.
I think back then, when you tested the Ioniq 38, you got one with faulty BMS. Later there was a big recall to the first models.
On the recall, the faulty BMS and battery were replaced.
The 2019 models were all affected, some of them still in 2020. The IONIQS from 2021 were already equipped with the new battery and BMS. These models, but also the models from the Recall were able to keep their charging speed of over 45 kW longer than shown in your video.
Today you would be able to charge a little faster with the Ioniq 38kWh. But just a little. (10 minutes)
If you hammer it in the cold, like in your 1000km challenge you get nowadays the Coldgate curve on the first charging stop. But second, third... It's always the faster curve, if you hammer it.
You are right, you now get the peak rate up to 60% whereas it used drop the rate at 50%.
Is it possible to change the charging speed with a software update?
Thank you very much for testing this that early!!
¿What could be the reason for this slow charging speed? I mean, If the battery is liquid cooled and aparently has more packs so it will cool down easily... Can't figure out the explanation
It's the build of the battery itself.
Layout of the packs (lower Voltage than the old one so you get less kw at the same Amps)
Also battery conditioning (someone mentioned thicker Anodes but will need to dismantle 1 pack to confirm it and we don't have 38.3 here yet) takes into consideration the internal changes (thicker anodes, layout, C rate has changed too) so the software knows it and will not allow to overheat nor break the cells by frequent rapid charging to full (hence heavy restrictions to make sure people will disconnect at 70% rather than 90%)
I also believe this battery pack is cheaper build than 28kWh pack (to capitalise the profits as the margin is higher now Ioniq costs more) so they use cheaper materials to maximise profit gains from each sold vehicle.
Old Ioniq was to show what they can achieve and build a good reputation.
Now the reputation is there (Kona, Ioniq) they can sell them for more and build for less (at least this is how this idiotic biurocrates and accountants ate thinking).
I'm a happy survivor of car industry (left it for good and never looked back)
Thank you for the Information. Its a pitty that Hyundai did that!
This is embarrassing. They have to release the 64kwh very soon, or the Ioniq brand is gone.
I think they calculated that they can produce X amount of battery kWh for Kia/Hyundai ev's. If they drop the 64kwh pack in this, they can produce almost 1,5 packs more these smaller ones for every big one. For example Kona production have stayed almost the same since the debut and the delivery times are just insane (in some cases more than a year). So there clearly is some kind of bottleneck, in the production. And the only reason I can think of is the batteries.
I think they made a decision to release this in order to cut time on delivery times. So they had to choose from two bad decisions. To release some what limited city car with a shorter delivery time, or release perfect ev that you have to wait for two years? Either way it looks bad. With a reasonable price tag, 64kwh Ioniq would have been in direct competition with model 3. Hyundai have been able to produce only 3-4000 Konas per month, and the delivery times is a year or more. If the sales numbers were double from that with 64kwh Ioniq, the delivery times would have been something like 2 years.
Above is only speculation, but out there are rumours that people working for Hyundai were given at one point education material, which had new Ioniq with two battery options.
Probably, the new VW e-up! will reach similar values regarding fast charging and maybe have 30 km less range than the new IONIQ, but it will cost nearly half the price in Germany. First it looks like they are not competing and they may not do in case of size and quality, but for range and fast charging the result would be really interesting.
You need to make Race between the old and new one to see how earlier the old one will arrive at the destination
Is the charge rate being affected by the battery temperature. Just a thought
Could you just charge to 50% then charge again at the next stop? Would that be faster for a long trip?
If you want long range go for the Kona 64 kWh, model 2020.
The Kona is not really comparable to the Ioniq as it is much smaller.
Could this tapering be changed in a software update?
Severe case of needing "Make Ioniq Great Again" campaign.
Hi Bjørn! Will be the new Kona the same bad charging?
Laci Kol no, but the Kona 39 kW is the same slow charger
It's not really the voltage. These higher energy density packs are using cells with thicker electrodes, which results in a lower C rate.
Don't bother.
90% people here don't get what you saying.
They will trash you that the problem is its the same as Kona 39kWh.
People are shortsighted and only see what appears in the front of their eyes.
Some here understand electrical circuits and AVO units and how Voltage depends on the Amps but that's it.
Björn will get to the bottom of the problem soon and explain what you trying to say to normal people in a simple language so they will finally get it :)
@@Haveagrated :-)
Can it fully charge at home during the night with 11 kW without problems? If so with the larger range than the old Ioniq the new one can still be okay for people who use fast charging rarely. Still limits the new version very much though, really big mistake from Hyundai.
A car blocking a CCS and charging as slow as AC ?
Better than Leaf, though. Leaf charges slower than AC, all the way to 3 kW in warm weather.
Dissapointing. I was ready to buy one of these.
How is the charging speed compared to the 40kwh Leaf for example?
Why the charging is so slow? Is it the charging station that gives 50kw or 100kw/150kw?
The old 28kw much faster.
"it ruins everything" 100%, bin buying one for me.....maybe they will get it right in the gen3......
Old Ioniq is still on sale in my country
So they improve everything except what matters.
Such a shame. I thought Hyundai-Kia was on a roll with the e-Niro, the Kona and the e-Soul. But they really dropped the ball with the new Ioniq. Shame because I like how they got rid of those strange bronze decals in the car.
What were they thinking?
Letºs hope Hyundai, calls the new Ioniq for an upgrade.
It seems that at least the time to Fast charge is at least predictable to take 57 mins to 80% which means you can plan for it in a trip. It would be worse if like the new Leaf, the charging time varied depending upon the temperature and driving speed.
I wonder if the Ioniq 38 kWh will do multiple Fast Charges in one trip?
This is such a disappointment 😟 was looking forward to this car as a potential replacement of our 30kwh leaf in future but don’t think it’s worth it, as our leaf will probably allow better travel times
Ioniq28 beats the Leaf30 in every way apart from boot shape. Get one now, residuals on Ioniq28 set to harden even more!
So my question is regarding their other new EV cars. In Canada the base Soul has the same 39.2 battery. Has anyone found it has the same issue?
I'm looking forward to charge 1 km range per second in hopefully near future 🤗
It is very Chevy Bolt Ampera E speed with efficiency differences it would be very similar speed vs range.
This is good news for everyone with the old ioniq though. Everyone's gonna wanna buy a used 28kwh ioniq instead of the new one
Old Ioniq adds 200km in 30min, Ioniq facelift 200km in 38min but has added features and on average 70km more range than old Ioniq. Zoe adds equal km in same amount of time at DC charger as Ioniq facelift. Zoe's advantage over Ioniq (old or new) is at AC charging, but Zoe is a compact car and has smaller space overall.
you said it all, such a shame for a brandspanking new ev.
I believe lots of commuters in LA don't use fast DC chargers anyway so i'm wondering if the slow DC charge will be a deterrent or not. All the ev drivers I know that don't drive Teslas never charge outside their garage/home (or at work with AC charging). DC charging for non tesla cars are not popular in California.
when people need to go take trips, they drive their other car which is an ICE. Bigger SUV. Family = 1 EV and 1 ICE SUV car.
I think the charge rate has to do with the chemistry and the scale. A 75 Kw/h battery at 1,5 C will charge at 100 Kw/h. Half of that capacity should see everything decrease at least by the same amount. Most probably the decrease is not linear and may be proportionally less than the original benchmark size.
People I know have praised the original ioniq for it's consistent charging speed all the way to 80-90% before it throttles off. why is this one worse? would this just be a software issue that could be fixed?
Batteries are completely different. I doubt much can be done to improve this.
I would hate to think what a 50kw charger would look like over the same time.
Cuantos km en autopista podías hacer con este modelo. Yo tengo el Ioniq MK1 y en 34 minutos , ahora 39 minutos cargo de 10% al 94%. En España sur de Galicia hago 130 km a 120 en montaña , y 140-150 km en llano.
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I think the only reason Hyundai produces this car is to clean up their product line looking for the CO2 emission.
Hyundai's big boss said in 2017 I think that a 200-mile Ioniq would have to come in the future. That was a trap! But also, they favour the Kona internally, and a too good 38 Ioniq would have been internal competition against the company strategy
@@pierremorant8885 I fully agree with you!
more likely down to getting that range increase headline figure. That is more likely to sell than less range and faster charging.
was this done to boost the 2nd hand market in the old version?
stacey bashford no Hyundai makes 0$ off resold old ones unless they are figuring they will start breaking all the sudden and they will get to repair them. Maybe they are trying to slow sales
Mine charges 27kw top.
Its 3 years old 38kwh ionic.
I charge it on 50kw rapid charger
Please do a review of new Vauxhall Corsa E when it's available. I'm really pumped up about it.
Hello my friend. What's the max range you got in the new ioniq? I've gotten 270
You mean 270 km?
@@nlonakutty ya
I get 270 on a full charge on my 2017 ioniq
@@bederhajali thats impressive isn't it?
@@nlonakutty ya that's very impressive but the new one should do around 70-100km more. But all the review show the new ioniq only doing 270
Make Ioniq great again!
Slow charging, slower charging, Ioniq 2 charging.
can Hyundai do a software update to change this?