Both seal n shine and ceramic coating were fully cured for over 48 hours, with the exception of the far right side of the panel where stated instant sure. Will you be picking up the new hybrid solutions ceramic spray coating?
Hey Jimbo, on my car parked outside in the elements, it feels like seal and shine breaks up after only a couple of weeks. Has this been your experience? I'm not sure if it's the UV's....I'd be very interested in seeing a test after 2 weeks of both products under the sun.
no....jury is still out. I am glad I didn't pull the trigger yet via amazon on this hybrid line....so far it definitely has not lived up to the hype. waiting for brian(apex detail's review) he can measure gloss enhancement. I use U, BRIAN, FORENSIC, FAB, PAN and others to get a good perspective.... I tinker now that I am retired....correct that...brian has turned me into a product junkie..lol.. Jason at Chi Auto Pro's did both of my jag vanden plas...05 liquid silver and 07 cranberry mica...a few yrs ago and I have been bit by the detail bug ever since....look forward to your videos....well done. hope u will consider the test I mention in comments
Turtle Wax said that Ceramic Spray Coating sees it's best durability when you apply 2 coats, 24 hours apart, with another 24 hours of cure (no soap) after that. I would like to see that tested against Seal N shine, with Both being given the 24 hour re-coat and another 24 hour cure.
I love Seal and shine, but it smells like a urinal cake! I may be getting used to it because after the second time I used it the smell didn’t bother me as much. Love the shine !
Great video! Something to note - the Seal n Shine technically had two coats per its directions, whereas the Ceramic version would need a coat, 24 hr cure time, then another coat, then another 24 hrs to have the same number of applications. It could be argued that this test was two coats of Seal n Shine vs one of Ceramic. There are pros and cons to that, I guess.
I'll try it when it comes out-- but Seal n Shine was the winner of the torture test (again). I still have a few bottles and the stuff just lasts forever. So I'll keep using it. After buying enough Ammo product to drain a bank account, Turtle Wax just kills it time after time for under $10 bucks.
Great review, looks like I'll be sticking with the Seal N' Shine. For future reference, a single camera angle was better. Constantly switching between the tripod, and handheld, and the head cam was kind of jarring.
LOL. My video wasn't meant to be the full 24h hour curing time, hence why I mentioned it in the video. But man did some people become so emotional about it... It's just a spray on paint protectant (that is very good by the way, and that I even like a bit more than Seal N Shine in the end) so let's not get too caught up here...
@@PanTheOrganizer It’s still a good comparison that you did Paaaaaan The Jimboniser 😜😃. What I do like and has become clear, is the 24hr cure time, you can still use the vehicle even if it rains. I’m still very keen on getting it though. It’s been emotional Pan 😊😃
The problem of those companies are they jacked up the price when we consumers start put our trust in their products. Thank God that we have guy like Jimbo and Pan can show us the difference so we don’t break our wallet$
Now THIS is a proper comparison and torture test! I wish you had let BSD "cure" for a few hours before hitting it the way you did on the other video too! 😉
It's not equally tested as area on the hood, the hood is not flat and it's not even the angle tend to slope any the end then middle if you look at this video
Hey, Lien! We wanted to confirm prices! Our Hybrid Solutions is currently just under $16 on Amazon.com, while our ICE Seal N Shine is just under $10. We designed this product to compliment the fan-favorite ICE Seal N Shine and created it to solve some of the detailers’ pain points with SNS. The difference-makers in the Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating product include: - Easy on, easy off product application even in direct sunlight & high humidity - amazing results on paint, metal, plastic & glass in minutes - Chemical resistant, but designed for real-world application so it lasts up to 12 months when applied per the directions on the bottle (cure time is important here - AND don’t apply your 2nd coat until after the first coat cured for 24 hours) - Increased depth of paint color, gloss & shine
@@turtlewax So if I want to apply two coats of the Ceramic Spray Coating (BTW I pre-ordered it from Amazon). Do I have to not drive the car between applications? What happens if dust or dirt gets on the car between applications such has going past a guy running a leaf blower, lawn mower, etc. How is this type of situation handled? thanks
@@akj6181 Hey there! Hybrid Solutions is currently also available to purchase on Turtlewax.com for US customers! The product will be hitting retail shelves early 2020.
That was fun to watch man! Man they are so close...I almost think the seal and shine is a taaaaad, dare I say stronger!? So tough to call on this one. Can't wait to get my own tests going!!
I am a professional car painter for the last 50 years I have used or try to use the ceramic spray on my black Mustang. I didn't particularly care for it. It worked me pretty hard to get the smear removed. I tried to apply at all different kind of ways. It was just really tough to remove it. I like the seal and shine.
I haven't had streaking issues at all when using the seal and shine also. Im curious how to get it to streak, meaning is using it in a wrong way create the streaks. Im sorry not trying to have go at Jimbo at all.
@@jhndijkman it can streak in hot places i.e. deserts, tropics. But its easily fixeable. just add a few drops of water onto the paint. seal and shine doesnt really bond to paint so it doesnt matter.
Thanks Jimbo I think both products looks amazing! I’ve protected my car with seal n shine and top with ice spray wax can’t wait to see if it will resist to our long winter with salty roads! Great videos as usual great job!
I was thinking of topping with the Ice Spray Wax, until I saw a video showing results after 1 wash and wasn't impressed. For now I just re-apply Seal N Shine layering it and it's working great.
After using both products extensively I can tell you one thing, the Turtle Wax Ceramic spray coating has way higher gloss and shine. And even more durability than seal & shine. Or at least the same. The self-cleaning properties in the Ceramic spray coating keep the vehicle much cleaner than the seal & shine when it's raining or snowing.
Here’s my recent review. I purchased this last year in June while at the auto parts store getting products to do a last minute detail on my mustang before autocross and car show on father’s day weekend. I did not properly apply because I was in a rush and I can tell you that wash was the last time I washed it until last week when it was time to bring it back out. Car sat in the elements the entire time as well as a few drives during the winter when the roads were clear enough. As I was washing the car I was confused as to why the water was beading so much and I had completely spaced that I used this hybrid ceramic spray that day last June. Bought the product as an “eh why not” and now it’s all I’ll ever use. Quick and is as well as offers great protection especially if properly applied. 10/10 - weekend warrior detailer
@@MrDigit885 both are good products but i have to say sns is still better way cheaper same durability the newer product might be easier to apply but if both are the same on the durability test then i migh go for the cheaper sns
Yes i would also go for sns i don't care about long lasting protection sns lasts for months and that is more then enough for me i wax every month so sns is the one i'd buy
We agree - This is a killer combo! If you are looking for the complete package - from ease of use, to durability to a high-gloss shine, Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating is our pick!
Ice Spray Wax as a ”topper” with Seal and Shine???? Hmmm. Let me try that especially for the winter here in PA. I’ve been using Beadmaker as a ”topper” with S&S and it is killer for 8-9 year months out of the year.
no point, seal and shine will loose immediately. It has really, really poor abrasion performance. Seal and shine is amazing for garaged cars in summer with little rain i.e. Southern Europe or mid/southern USA.
Thanks Jimbo, Seal and Shine for me all day long. I use it on my black car and it works great. I don’t think the new stuff is any better and plus u have to wait 24 hours for cure time. Seal and Shine Wins !
Too bad my driveway detailing has pretty much come to an end here in Wisconsin. I'll be picking it up in the spring. If both products are virtually the same, I give the nod to a better smell. Seal n shine smells bad for sure. Excellent video Jimbo, thanks for the info!!
Same here, over in MN! I actually don't mind the smell of Seal n Shine. I think it was Jimbo, but someone said it smells like his dad/grandpa cologne lol. I have 2 extra bottles of Seal n Shine that I bought at Walmart for $6/bottle, so I'll be waiting for plenty of durability tests before I spend money to replace something that's already a rockstar in my arsenal.
@@Twiztid_Metal. Cheapest price in the UK is £7,50 but you have to buy 2 bottles to get that price. About 6 weeks ago you could buy a bottle from some detailing websites for £6. Now because of the explosion on TH-cam and media they are now up to £14 a bottle! Luckily I currently have 5 bottles! 😁🏴
I’ve used both and I enjoy the better smelling ceramic . And because of your videos , I’ve began to use turtle wax products again . I’ve been a chemical guys and Adams fan boy for years . But I’m tired of paying shipping when I can go straight to the auto parts store and buy . Thank you for all your detailing content .
You know I sit thought your videos to learn what we're all are after. My truck, well, it's a P.O.S. and I don't use anything really on it. BUT when I do I know what results I'll have and what products are worth the time and value😂
I'm thinking, the ceramic might survive the environmental stripping factors longer than seal n shine, there has to be something better about it, or we're just being quacked by turtle wax.
So I think that the biggest thing with TW's new products, is that they've created a whole line of ceramic products that are made to work with each other. I bought the seal and shine a few weeks ago (got some streaking..grr) and then I didn't know what to use with it (wash, drying aid, etc.). When I asked TW themselves...the support person didn't have a good response. Two days later you all are in AZ lol. Can you try a torture test of Carpro Hydro2 Foam...I would love to see someone check the chemical resistance of that. Also, your camera guy is doing good work with that Sony :)
I’m kinda disappointed they made such a huge hype about it and I thought it would last even longer then seal n shine and have even better beads clearly that wasn’t the case, why would I spend more when seal n shine lasts longer and has better beads lol 😒
I got streaking with Turtle ceramic upon rewshasing like it melting down the window swithced to CMX worked better for me.I may have put too much Turtle Ceramic on ?
Great video as usual Jimbo. We all really appreciate you testing out these products. I don’t seem to have any streaking issues with the Seal and shine but I do have white cars. It seems to me at this juncture it’s not really worth throwing my seal and shine out. Again thanks for the great reviews.
sphirit I think the key here is duration of the coating. The durability test he did tells us nothing about how long the coating will last. The new coating is supposed to last longer before requiring a new coat. Also, gloss factor would be nice to know.
I really wonder why they decided to market this new product if it’s not at least as good as the seal and shine. Might as well have just made a new label for seal and shine without the hassle of creating something less durable...
I just take my time using seal and shine until my 3 bottles gone then hopefully ceramic spray get cheaper with the price I will start buying them for my future use.
Very disappointing that the NEW product doesn't outlast or outperform the existing product being Seal n Shine. I don't think there was enough research and R&D put into the new products as there were with Seal n Shine. Before SnS, the Ice Spray wax was their best performing product for many years and eventually SnS hit the market, showing how long it took for Turtle wax to come out with a product that would perform great and outperform Ice Spray wax. This new hybrid solutions line is coming out less than a year of SnS being introduced and didn't have as long of a period to improve. I believe this is mainly to catch the SnS hype train and introduce as many products as possible to sell as much as they can based on the reviews and impression that Seal n shine left. The new spray coating is said to last longer than SnS and to be more concentrated and *be on steroids*, but the results clearly show that is not the case. Thankfully I have many bottles of Seal n shine which I purchased due to its amazing value and performance, but I won't be stocking up the new products given how poorly they seem to perform.
Although Jimbo has a fun personality, and torture test comparisons are fun to watch, I am not sure how valuable they actually are. How often do people actually apply a product like Seal & Shine to their car and then judge performance through successive application of aggressive cleaners? Most people I know judge performance based on weeks of sun/UV exposure coupled with periodic mild detergent washing. I know enough about Chemistry to know these are two different routes to product failure which means a torture test winner may or may not be the best performer when judged over time/UV/normal washing. Can we get a video that tests durability like that?
@@jusb1066 Sadly, I don't think you can. 3+ months testing is what it takes to get the true answer. A couple of years ago I saw a multi-part TH-cam video series with a monthly check in for paint sealers and wax durability. However, it was from Europe and therefore didn't have the US products in their test. I don't know if that series is still on TH-cam or not. Paint manufacturers from all over the US have the same problem. They choose to apply their products to car hoods, cedar shingles, PVC siding (per their intended paint application) and place them in multi-acre exposure fields near Miami, Fl for 1-3 years of exposure. They know there is no quick test that perfectly matches the real world combination of industrial contamination, UV exposure, rain, etc. They run laboratory accelerated failure tests with hyper UV exposure and water spray to get an indication of performance, but they treat the Miami tests as the only real truth. Paint sealers are obviously different than paint, but the concept is the same. Personally, I wouldn't mind waiting 3+ months. I have a bottle of Seal & Shine and am happy to keep using it during that time.
Love Seal and Shine, but already had pre-ordered the ceramic spray as well. The streaking sucks, but I found rotating constant dry towels helped some. I found that if I pushed to finish a panel, and there was a buildup already, it streaked more than when I just kept grabbing dry ones.
I've been spraying a couple pumps of Seal and Shine onto a small foam pad, then wiping down one panel at a time. Good results, less product used and no streaking.
This is a post made by Turtle Wax on Facebook about Seal N Shine VS the Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Coating .... We’re loving the buzz about NEW Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating! We designed this product to compliment fan-favorite ICE Seal N Shine and created it to solve some of the detailers’ pain points with SNS. The difference-makers in the Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating product include: - Easy on, easy off product application even in direct sunlight & high humidity - amazing results on paint, metal, plastic & glass in minutes - Chemical resistant, but designed for real-world application so it lasts up to 12 months when applied per the directions on the bottle (cure time is important here - AND don’t apply your 2nd coat until after the first coat cured for 24 hours) - Increased depth of paint color, gloss & shine We’re not going to lie, if you want a chemical resistant product, ICE Seal N Shine is your go to, but if you want the complete package - from ease of use, to durability to a high-gloss shine, Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating is our pick!
Im going to use both, the seal n shine is better in my opinion and the whole ice line up but for some customers i cant bring the car inside or shaded anywhere and thats where hybrids will be better so i think ice line will be for indoor and hybrid for out doors
@@autodetailingpodcast Which one is greater? I bet both are not too shabby :) I ordered the new TW Ceramic and also the car wash as I reached out to them and they said on a black car that has soft clear to combo both. Heck why not try-damn car is brand new and awful. Walk by it and it scratches-lol
thanks for the vid jimbo...I had just watched pan's vid and was surprised he didn't wait the 24hrs...in his, the new ceramic started to fail immed upon chemical applied then wash with reset.....which just destroyed all the hype about this product and diminished the value...imho. I also thought it was rec to wait 24 to layer... what I am interested in …..is the gloss better with the new vs seal and shine. s&s still wins in durability but is the gloss better with the ceramic???? as brian has shown across the board that a product that substantially enhances gloss trades off in the durability area...especially qd's and ….sealants that increase/enhance gloss are weaker than their durable competitors. would like to hear your respected opinion.....and I think a comparison of hybrid wet wax....vs....waxedshine aquabead lets see how this new "crap"(lol) as u put it holds up.....cheap vs expensive right up your alley respectfully, john
i agree. Other than the chemical resistance test we saw here. I would like to see the differences between gloss, in-depth slickness after cure time, and long term durability.
I pre-ordered the new Ceramic stuff, BUT after your test I cancelled it and will continue to use Seal and Shine. Orig formula Seal and Shine for the win!!!
Great video. As a new car owner for the first time in over 15 years, it seems technology has changed a lot. from your video, I'm leaning towards the ceramic coating for ease of use. The snippet about your dad sold me. Forgive me for being nitpicky but I would have liked the exactly cured products placed on the exact opposite quarters of the hood. ie, far left, far right. This way the contours match. Thanks for info and review
Well here's my $. 02 from a light color car owner... I have 2 Mineral White Bimmers and have very little streaking that quite honestly would be invisible to most. So I consider "streaking" a non issue. The smell isn't fruity but it ain't funky either. ICE Seal n Shine is simply the Best performance value in car detailing, period! I did pre-order 2 products from their new line just to try/compare. 👍🏽 Great job as usual.
I have a black car , I dont notice streaking either with seal n shine. I think the more we compliment seal n shine, TW may raise the price Again!.... so we might need to quiet down
I had preordered a bottle of the ceramic after I was so impressed over the past 4 months or so with the Seal and Shine. I canceled the preorder after seeing three tests like yours that didn’t show an improvement and even appeared that the ceramic wasn’t as durable. I’ll stick with the Seal and Shine for my quick, easy, inexpensive paint protection.
@@autodetailingpodcastDon't see many videos, comparing the NEW (SnS) vs the Ceramic Spray Coating. It'd definitely be interesting to see a torture test of both (fully cured), to see which one wins once and for all. 🤔
I pre-ordered the new Hybrid Turtle Wax and I will be using it differently. I use seal and shine as a drying aid when I am in direct sunlight since it was so much cheaper than Sonax BSD. I'll probably do a 50/50 comparison of Hybrid Turtle Wax and seal and shine on my DD RSX as it sits outside during the day. Thank you for always making these informative videos Jimbo!
Can an already ceramic coated paint be sprayed with seal and shine to provide more protection? Or will that ruin or not even work with Ceramic coatings?(Not Sprays)
TurtleWax brand is my favorite but these two items are so far my LEAST favorite do to the fact that they leave a lot of streaks. Spray wax (improved formula) is my favorite, and I recommend it to everyone who wants flawless quality 🤩
Seal and Sine is great stuff and that's what I had been using however I've since switched over to the new hybrid line simply because there are a number of products to compliment the ceramic spray such as the wash, the detailer and the wet wax. I just like the idea of having a line of products in the same family that work well together. Still a big fan of Seal and Shine though.....it's all good stuff and you can't go wrong with any of it. Oh, and yes, I do like the smell of the hybrid solution line.
I've gone for the seal n shine although it's called just sealant here in the UK. In my opinion it seemed to sheet the quickest during your test. 👍 good test thanks for uploading, time to give a try myself.
seal and shine does less well in real life. it has good chemical resistance but can easily be washed off by dirt and abrasion. the good thing about the ceramic spray coating is that it can be used on a wet car and makes wiping off water really easy. its not the same as just using seal and shine on a wet car. Seal and shine performs very very poorly when i do i.e. a road trip of 2000km. Also seal and shine imho cannot be boosted. you can apply 20 layers or 1, it makes no difference. Hybrid ceramic wax CAN be boosted. if you use it after wash every 2 weeks or whatever you definetely get a durability boost which lasts for a few months.
I've used both. This season was a claybar with a once over with the Hybrid polish with 3 coats of the Hybrid spray wax - proper cure times of course... Absolutely sick. One month since the last coat with the SiO2 - holding up really well with sunglass gloss. Have used S&S over the ceramic as post-wash once over = sick&sick. Double whammy folks...stuff works on my Tornado red GTI. $ value for both is over the top. STREAKING??...I very lightly mist distilled h2o over the affected affected area(s) wipe with your best fluffy...voila! Good luck with whatever u use!!
Lots of hype around these new TW Hybrid products, but I think people don't really understand them yet either. Turtle Wax says that you have to compound the Hybrid Sealant off to completely remove. Even if your torture tests show that its removed by no water beading, they say its still on there. I currently use Reload and reviews show that it doesn't last that long. I want to try the Turtle Wax Hybrid Sealant, but am hesitant to try because if I don't like it or if something better comes out, I have to compound it out. I don't have a polisher or experience doing this nor do most people. I also have PPF on half may car and this creates issues as well as I dont want to polish the PPF and scratch it. Can you address some of these points in your video? Will the Hybrid Bond over a old coat of Reload or is special prep required? Is the "starting with a surface with no residue of other products" and example of people making a bigger deal over things than needs be? IT seems like this TW Hybrid is more of a coating that a sealant like Reload (more temporary) and If I were going to apply a coating I would probably spend more money to get a 2 year sealant like C Quartz or something like that. I think people need clarification as to if this is a coating (permanent) or a sealant (temporary) so that more accurate comparison reviews can be made You can read Turtle Wax's comments here th-cam.com/video/JIWx6Uw6JP8/w-d-xo.html&lc=z22dzp5q2mbvfzpyh04t1aokgbsny0vlgu0k330cfmfebk0h00410.1573067701740996
I bought seal n shine because of your videos. I do see the streaking on my sterling gray car. I like that it protects. I will have to try the ceramic product. I have so much seal n shine it will prolly last into next year. Thanks for the detail advise and product tests.
I’ve applied Seal N Shine to a few different cars and the only time it got streaky for me was when I was doing it in heat/sunlight. You absolutely cannot use Seal N Shine in the sun or else you will get streaks. It flash-dries on the surface so you literally can’t wipe it off. To fix the streaks, I waited until it cooled off, then reapplied the product on top of the streaky areas and it fixed it.
I'm sorry, the new Hybrid Solutions line just isn't worth the extra cost. But on the other hand Brian from Apex Detail has not reviewed it yet. There's still a little hope left. 🤞
On the ceramic coating, a 24 hour cure is needed between coats too. You put it on too thick imo. Great vid! Can't wait to try it. No such thing as a "wet cure", really, imo. S&S needs no cure. The ceramic coating will wash right off if not cured properly. In conclusion, for my money, I'm Stickin with S&S. Cheaper and more durable. In my use of S&S, I had no problem with the streaking on the paint. However, I did have some streaking on glass. TW tried to one up on S&S but imo just didn't score with the ceramic.
To comment on a few things. I'd say I want water beading. It is a higher level of hydrophobicity. When a coating or sealant, etc, starts to degrade, it goes from beading to sheeting. So if we're already starting at sheeting, its hydrophobicity isn't as intense as it could be. And another thing, usually when rain water collects on a car, its as if you left distilled water or purified H2O on a panel that mostly doesnt leave any water spots. Since tap or hose water contains all the minerals and agents that we'd consider make up hard water, those agents dry and leave spots on the panel. Thats generally where water spots come from. Other than that cool video man I'm really loving this first person shooter angle. Its really working. Keep up the good work, Jimbo.
i think what he tried to describe with the "water spots" after rain is that even if you celaned your car the day before, there is going to be dust on it, when it rains you get spots where the water picked up the dust and then dried. At least they aren't going to do anything bad to the paint like lime does (i hope that is the right translation for the mineral in most hard tap water)
What does rainwater contain? As a result of this process, rainwater is inherently dirty. It needs that condensation nucleus - that dust, soot, or flake of salt - in order to form and fall. This is precisely why you'll have probably noticed that, from time to time, the rain on your window leaves streaks of dust.
great test Jimbo, for me the sns is the winner again , paid 2 or 3 time the price for near resultat, uhmmm not sure. i will continue to recommand sns ;), thz Jimbo
For basic services I use Seal n Shine because the price is outstanding and the average client isn’t going to fully understand the difference or want to pay extra for SiO2 based product. For those that want ceramic like protection but not the level of application needed for professional level ceramic coating I use Gtechniq C2 Liquid Crystal V3(20 dollars on Amazon offers a year of protection).
my biggest take away of all these companies making ceramic sprays is that we are now we truely have another option instead of waxes. And this new ceramic spray has cut down alot of time for me instead of the traditional wax and sealant. I probably will not use a liquid sealant again. because of buff on and buff off you can always still scratch the paint when buffing the sealant off (on a soft car paint) these spray on wipe off is the future!
Mr. Jimbo, I really enjoy both products from Turtle Wax. I used the Hybrid Solution products on my cars, & I used the Seal N Shine on cars that have carnauba wax applied to them. So they have different applications. The Hybrid Solution products were applied about 9 months ago on both of my daily drivers, still have shine & protection. The Seal N Shine I used after I used I applied Meguiars Ultimate Polish & Ultimate Wax. Also used S N S, as a booster, after I used TW Ice Spray Wax. As a non professional, For your viewers, I HIGHLY recommend both products from Turtle Wax. Remember, the key in using any polish or wax, prepare your car properly.
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Haven’t watched yet. I’m hoping the ceramic is a little LESS durable! The issue I have, weirdly, is Seal&Shine is a damn commitment. I like trying new products, and with seal&shine if I wanna get back to clear coat it is gonna be a meg’s wash+ and light polish process. S&S is more useful to me for other people’s cars. Weird I know. If I can get the gloss, hydrophobia, and easy application of S&S in a formula I can actually remove without abrasion I’d be stoked. Time to watch!
Wow best chemical test I have ever seen on TH-cam, Wiping the degreaser in and using purple power was great. Spraying the cleaner and just rinsing, doesnt check the chemical resistance. It's more of a hydrophobic test then a actual chemical test. i am surprised that either of the products had anything left after that chemical test. I'm sick of all these product demonstrations. No one that has a gloss meter has shown the reading yet neither Will be interesting to see if seal and shine wins in protection when exposed to the elements and how much more gloss and potentially warmth the ceramic spray has.
I love Seal n shin I use it as a drying aid every 2-2/1/2 weeks after a wash for my 2018 Sierra & my wife’s - 2020 Wrangler just make sure you have a damp microfiber to follow works on WHEELS GLASS TRIMS Etc. the gloss level is excellent
Can you apply it in cold , in like +5 Celcius ? If you apply it on top of Glaze , Poor's boys black hall for example . How long both of them last on daily driver kept outside ?
Ive been a fan of seal n shine since it came out i cant say ive had streaks but like a shadowy oil looking sections maybe i put it on too thick i dunno but took some effort to rub it out evenly i ran out and wanted to detail my wifes white suv ran to walmart to get more was sold out but in canada they just introduced the new turtle wax line so i grabbed a bottle of ceramic spray and im glad i did it goes on easier yet! half as much did 2019 ram limited crew and a 2019 lexus nx300 using no more than half a bottle.and the hydrophobic properties are a little better yet, after i saw the results on hers i wanted to hit my dark ram and wow did it ever turn out nice 2 days later and did a foam and rince and it was as clean as if i did a contact wash not even bird drops stuck on , anyhow i love it im so glad i was forced to try it because its now my go too protector spray from now on! Give it a try guys even if you favor another product i love it 👍
I only experienced a little streaking with Seal n Shine on the hood only. The vehicle was at operating temperature after going through a drive thru car wash, I applied Seal n Shine as a drying aid. I attribute the streaking to the latent heat in the hood from the heat of the engine. I was able to eliminate the streaks by applying Collinite 845 to the hood and wiping it away. Not sure how "layerable those two product are but I definitely have good protection. I would like to see a salt grime mixture applied to hood and allowed to sit on the panel for a few days after a proper application of the products, to me that is real world. I am not in hurry to get the Ceramic product I have plenty of Seal n Shine. I really like Seal n Shine.
Hello everyone. I think maybe some folks are missing a bit the point with this ceramic coating line: I recon most of you (as me) are very much focused in final gloss, hidrophobicity, beading... I use for some time a nano-ceramic product (no point in mentioning the name, it is very hard to find online, is British made and is exclusive for professionals, so you normally would not find it online (only one youtube video that I'm aware). Anyway, this ceramic coating is applyed similar to the Turtle Wax ceramic coating BUT: the main point is NOT to get a real high gloss and/or hidrophobicity. It does both, but they are a sub-product. The main point of that nano ceramic product - and I think the same with the Turtle Wax product - is PROTECTION. Protection against light scratches, against bird poop :) against mosquitoes at high speed, against abrasive dust, against UV. The product I use (because I have access to it professionally) costs 50 Euro (60 US dollars?) per bottle of 250ml: that's smaller then any of the one showed. But I tell you: when you splash mosquitoes in your Ninja at 290 km/h, let them sit there for a week and then you rinse with water and they all just disappear, you understand that the point with nano ceramic coatings is protection, not shine. My humble opinion , hope it helps.
I'm a neophyte, but that makes sense to me, hence my previous post asking if the, or a, ceramic product should be applied 1st, then a "shiny one" on top, post cure, if required.
Right on. Most people get obfuscated by those "torture tests". Those are ridiculous. Who in heck sprays wheel claner in the bonnet in real life? If you want a real valid test, splash mosquitoes ther , or put th paint under a UV light and heat for days. But that does not make "interesting" videos, right? Duh.
Man this is a tough one but i will say i have a decent stock of S&S and it being a bit more elbow grease to keep the streaks away isn’t an issue for me because when using one towel for application and one for buffing its not that big of a deal, will still be picking up the ceramic coating for some certain areas I’d like to test, great comparison Jimbo Edit: I’d like to emphasize again the fact even turtle wax mentioned on their instagram that if someone just wants a chemical resistant beast that S&S is the go to but the ceramic coating caters to those who just dont wanna put in thr additional elbow grease for buffing off the S&S. Love the fact how they are transparent and arent just trying to upsell
Both seal n shine and ceramic coating were fully cured for over 48 hours, with the exception of the far right side of the panel where stated instant sure.
Will you be picking up the new hybrid solutions ceramic spray coating?
Hey Jimbo, on my car parked outside in the elements, it feels like seal and shine breaks up after only a couple of weeks. Has this been your experience? I'm not sure if it's the UV's....I'd be very interested in seeing a test after 2 weeks of both products under the sun.
Hey, i know a company making a sealing product like these how would they get in contact about sending a trial bottle over?
jacob hallenbeck - jimbo@autodetailingpodcast.com
no....jury is still out. I am glad I didn't pull the trigger yet via amazon on this hybrid line....so far it definitely has not lived up to the hype. waiting for brian(apex detail's review) he can measure gloss enhancement. I use U, BRIAN, FORENSIC, FAB, PAN and others to get a good perspective....
I tinker now that I am retired....correct that...brian has turned me into a product junkie..lol..
Jason at Chi Auto Pro's did both of my jag vanden plas...05 liquid silver and 07 cranberry mica...a few yrs ago and I have been bit by the detail bug ever since....look forward to your videos....well done. hope u will consider the test I mention in comments
Will you run the Ceramic against TLC v2? I was impressed with TLC v2 in your last test.
Turtle Wax said that Ceramic Spray Coating sees it's best durability when you apply 2 coats, 24 hours apart, with another 24 hours of cure (no soap) after that. I would like to see that tested against Seal N shine, with Both being given the 24 hour re-coat and another 24 hour cure.
Seal and Shine smells terrible. I think i may just add an artificial scent to the bottle . that way it can be bearable.
doctorhonda111 I agree I don’t like the scent either
I love Seal and shine, but it smells like a urinal cake! I may be getting used to it because after the second time I used it the smell didn’t bother me as much. Love the shine !
Great video! Something to note - the Seal n Shine technically had two coats per its directions, whereas the Ceramic version would need a coat, 24 hr cure time, then another coat, then another 24 hrs to have the same number of applications. It could be argued that this test was two coats of Seal n Shine vs one of Ceramic. There are pros and cons to that, I guess.
I'll try it when it comes out-- but Seal n Shine was the winner of the torture test (again). I still have a few bottles and the stuff just lasts forever. So I'll keep using it. After buying enough Ammo product to drain a bank account, Turtle Wax just kills it time after time for under $10 bucks.
Was under $10. Seems the secrets out now. Still a great bargain!
Can't wait for the new line up from Turtle Wax November 1st. Ammo is over rated
Ammo is garbage
I bought seal and shine for $5 each and bought 5 bottles couple of months ago. I would not consider AMMO. He is ripoff
ammo is 'phone china have my label slapped on some cheap trash' and ship it over
Seal n Shine for the Win!!!
Jimbo, heres an idea what if you mixed like 5 or 6 sio2 ceramic sprays together in one bottle and do a test on that?
Great review, looks like I'll be sticking with the Seal N' Shine. For future reference, a single camera angle was better. Constantly switching between the tripod, and handheld, and the head cam was kind of jarring.
Yes. Please go back to your old presentation.
I got seasick.
Absolutely! This was so dizzying! 😵
Gave me a heachache
@@Jason-ht6ze life must be hard when you're that sensitive.
I think you might have saved Paaaaaaaaan the 24 hour re-upload 😂😂. Great content as per usual 😊
LOL. My video wasn't meant to be the full 24h hour curing time, hence why I mentioned it in the video. But man did some people become so emotional about it... It's just a spray on paint protectant (that is very good by the way, and that I even like a bit more than Seal N Shine in the end) so let's not get too caught up here...
@@PanTheOrganizer It’s still a good comparison that you did Paaaaaan The Jimboniser 😜😃. What I do like and has become clear, is the 24hr cure time, you can still use the vehicle even if it rains.
I’m still very keen on getting it though. It’s been emotional Pan 😊😃
Damn pan really caught you that was insanely surprising
how about layer it? For ex puting two layers od ceramic coating with cure time as needed, and then on top of that seal n shine?
The problem of those companies are they jacked up the price when we consumers start put our trust in their products. Thank God that we have guy like Jimbo and Pan can show us the difference so we don’t break our wallet$
Thanks for the trust you place in my opinion Lien!
Now THIS is a proper comparison and torture test! I wish you had let BSD "cure" for a few hours before hitting it the way you did on the other video too! 😉
It's not equally tested as area on the hood, the hood is not flat and it's not even the angle tend to slope any the end then middle if you look at this video
I’m glad I got 3 bottles seal and shine because I don’t want to pay double or triple money just to getting the new look of the bottle label.
Hey, Lien! We wanted to confirm prices! Our Hybrid Solutions is currently just under $16 on Amazon.com, while our ICE Seal N Shine is just under $10. We designed this product to compliment the fan-favorite ICE Seal N Shine and created it to solve some of the detailers’ pain points with SNS. The difference-makers in the Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating product include:
- Easy on, easy off product application even in direct sunlight & high humidity - amazing results on paint, metal, plastic & glass in minutes
- Chemical resistant, but designed for real-world application so it lasts up to 12 months when applied per the directions on the bottle (cure time is important here - AND don’t apply your 2nd coat until after the first coat cured for 24 hours)
- Increased depth of paint color, gloss & shine
@@turtlewax when and/or where will the ceramic spray coating be available for sale. It's not listed on Amazon anymore
@@turtlewax So if I want to apply two coats of the Ceramic Spray Coating (BTW I pre-ordered it from Amazon). Do I have to not drive the car between applications? What happens if dust or dirt gets on the car between applications such has going past a guy running a leaf blower, lawn mower, etc. How is this type of situation handled? thanks
appleiphone69
I think they expect us to let the car park 24 hours before applying another coat
@@akj6181 Hey there! Hybrid Solutions is currently also available to purchase on Turtlewax.com for US customers! The product will be hitting retail shelves early 2020.
That was fun to watch man! Man they are so close...I almost think the seal and shine is a taaaaad, dare I say stronger!? So tough to call on this one. Can't wait to get my own tests going!!
I am a professional car painter for the last 50 years I have used or try to use the ceramic spray on my black Mustang. I didn't particularly care for it. It worked me pretty hard to get the smear removed. I tried to apply at all different kind of ways. It was just really tough to remove it. I like the seal and shine.
I've never experienced streaking with seal and shine, but never used in direct sunlight. Great stuff
I haven't had streaking issues at all when using the seal and shine also. Im curious how to get it to streak, meaning is using it in a wrong way create the streaks. Im sorry not trying to have go at Jimbo at all.
I don't get streaks but I get high spots that wont rub out
Damp rag works great at blending the streaks for turtle wax seal n shine.
The new seal n shine is even better on all levels!
@@jhndijkman it can streak in hot places i.e. deserts, tropics. But its easily fixeable. just add a few drops of water onto the paint. seal and shine doesnt really bond to paint so it doesnt matter.
I would suggest Seal&Shine , The Last Coat2 and TW ceramic spray. That would be a good battle to see.😎
it might go on for days...LOL
I love both Seal n Shine and The Last Coat 2. Both are great products 💪. You should test them!
Lost faith in The last coat in their first series. Total rip off and doesn't last any longer than two rabbits going at it.
I preordered on amazon 🤗🤗🤗
Brother is it really worth 3 times the price???? I dont think so
Not at all.... But I would like to see a gloss level comparison.
@@RCFlyer85
Look up Apex detail, he does gloss tests on coating reviews prior to a torture test.
@@Tops1212 lol.... Your 8 months late... I already follow Apex.
Thanks Jimbo I think both products looks amazing! I’ve protected my car with seal n shine and top with ice spray wax can’t wait to see if it will resist to our long winter with salty roads! Great videos as usual great job!
I was thinking of topping with the Ice Spray Wax, until I saw a video showing results after 1 wash and wasn't impressed. For now I just re-apply Seal N Shine layering it and it's working great.
After using both products extensively I can tell you one thing, the Turtle Wax Ceramic spray coating has way higher gloss and shine. And even more durability than seal & shine. Or at least the same. The self-cleaning properties in the Ceramic spray coating keep the vehicle much cleaner than the seal & shine when it's raining or snowing.
Have you used Graphene from
Turtle wax?
Here’s my recent review. I purchased this last year in June while at the auto parts store getting products to do a last minute detail on my mustang before autocross and car show on father’s day weekend. I did not properly apply because I was in a rush and I can tell you that wash was the last time I washed it until last week when it was time to bring it back out. Car sat in the elements the entire time as well as a few drives during the winter when the roads were clear enough. As I was washing the car I was confused as to why the water was beading so much and I had completely spaced that I used this hybrid ceramic spray that day last June. Bought the product as an “eh why not” and now it’s all I’ll ever use. Quick and is as well as offers great protection especially if properly applied. 10/10 - weekend warrior detailer
Video starts at 2:30 recommend 1.5x
Spoiler: the Turtle wax wins.
Lol
For a bit I thought it's sns that won then realized both are turtle wax lol
@@MrDigit885 both are good products but i have to say sns is still better way cheaper same durability the newer product might be easier to apply but if both are the same on the durability test then i migh go for the cheaper sns
Yes i would also go for sns i don't care about long lasting protection sns lasts for months and that is more then enough for me i wax every month so sns is the one i'd buy
😂
Seal n shine wins. Topped it off with ice spray wax and its freaking awesome.
Best combo i have ever used
Me too, amazing combo
SnS topped with Bead Maker is pretty amazing.
We agree - This is a killer combo! If you are looking for the complete package - from ease of use, to durability to a high-gloss shine, Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating is our pick!
Ice Spray Wax as a ”topper” with Seal and Shine???? Hmmm. Let me try that especially for the winter here in PA. I’ve been using Beadmaker as a ”topper” with S&S and it is killer for 8-9 year months out of the year.
Seal and Shine is what i put on my car every 2 months and it is awesome!
Every 2 months!!!! It should last for 6 months they say.
Could you do salt water to test the durability of each product?
no point, seal and shine will loose immediately. It has really, really poor abrasion performance. Seal and shine is amazing for garaged cars in summer with little rain i.e. Southern Europe or mid/southern USA.
Thanks Jimbo, Seal and Shine for me all day long. I use it on my black car and it works great. I don’t think the new stuff is any better and plus u have to wait 24 hours for cure time. Seal and Shine Wins !
Too bad my driveway detailing has pretty much come to an end here in Wisconsin. I'll be picking it up in the spring. If both products are virtually the same, I give the nod to a better smell. Seal n shine smells bad for sure. Excellent video Jimbo, thanks for the info!!
Same here, over in MN! I actually don't mind the smell of Seal n Shine. I think it was Jimbo, but someone said it smells like his dad/grandpa cologne lol. I have 2 extra bottles of Seal n Shine that I bought at Walmart for $6/bottle, so I'll be waiting for plenty of durability tests before I spend money to replace something that's already a rockstar in my arsenal.
Would you pay over 3 times the price just for a better smell??
still have a week or two here in NY. 😭 will try do do one last coat of seal and shine until March.
@@Twiztid_Metal. Cheapest price in the UK is £7,50 but you have to buy 2 bottles to get that price. About 6 weeks ago you could buy a bottle from some detailing websites for £6. Now because of the explosion on TH-cam and media they are now up to £14 a bottle! Luckily I currently have 5 bottles! 😁🏴
Luis Gaston your lucky that you can do it in March. Here in Maine I have to wait until May for the 12 feet of snow to start melting😂🤣
I’ve used both and I enjoy the better smelling ceramic . And because of your videos , I’ve began to use turtle wax products again . I’ve been a chemical guys and Adams fan boy for years . But I’m tired of paying shipping when I can go straight to the auto parts store and buy .
Thank you for all your detailing content .
I'm sold! Great product review! It's definitely "TURTLE WAX CERAMIC" for me! Thanks!
You know I sit thought your videos to learn what we're all are after. My truck, well, it's a P.O.S. and I don't use anything really on it. BUT when I do I know what results I'll have and what products are worth the time and value😂
I'm thinking, the ceramic might survive the environmental stripping factors longer than seal n shine, there has to be something better about it, or we're just being quacked by turtle wax.
you got it, eventually :) its just upselling , thet cant make it better, so found a reason to make it more expensive
So I think that the biggest thing with TW's new products, is that they've created a whole line of ceramic products that are made to work with each other. I bought the seal and shine a few weeks ago (got some streaking..grr) and then I didn't know what to use with it (wash, drying aid, etc.). When I asked TW themselves...the support person didn't have a good response. Two days later you all are in AZ lol. Can you try a torture test of Carpro Hydro2 Foam...I would love to see someone check the chemical resistance of that. Also, your camera guy is doing good work with that Sony :)
Just spritz the panel or the towel with distilled water and you won't have any streaking issues.
I’m kinda disappointed they made such a huge hype about it and I thought it would last even longer then seal n shine and have even better beads clearly that wasn’t the case, why would I spend more when seal n shine lasts longer and has better beads lol 😒
yep stop with the fancy marketing, just make a good product, buyers will find it, we found S&S didnt we?
I got streaking with Turtle ceramic upon rewshasing like it melting down the window swithced to CMX worked better for me.I may have put too much Turtle Ceramic on ?
possibly. a little goes a long way.
Great video as usual Jimbo. We all really appreciate you testing out these products. I don’t seem to have any streaking issues with the Seal and shine but I do have white cars. It seems to me at this juncture it’s not really worth throwing my seal and shine out. Again thanks for the great reviews.
Seal n shine vs the last coat version 2
So the new product isn’t better than the old one
sphirit I think the key here is duration of the coating. The durability test he did tells us nothing about how long the coating will last. The new coating is supposed to last longer before requiring a new coat. Also, gloss factor would be nice to know.
Exactly and more expensive too! Lol
I really wonder why they decided to market this new product if it’s not at least as good as the seal and shine. Might as well have just made a new label for seal and shine without the hassle of creating something less durable...
I just take my time using seal and shine until my 3 bottles gone then hopefully ceramic spray get cheaper with the price I will start buying them for my future use.
Very disappointing that the NEW product doesn't outlast or outperform the existing product being Seal n Shine.
I don't think there was enough research and R&D put into the new products as there were with Seal n Shine.
Before SnS, the Ice Spray wax was their best performing product for many years and eventually SnS hit the market, showing how long it took for Turtle wax to come out with a product that would perform great and outperform Ice Spray wax.
This new hybrid solutions line is coming out less than a year of SnS being introduced and didn't have as long of a period to improve.
I believe this is mainly to catch the SnS hype train and introduce as many products as possible to sell as much as they can based on the reviews and impression that Seal n shine left.
The new spray coating is said to last longer than SnS and to be more concentrated and *be on steroids*, but the results clearly show that is not the case.
Thankfully I have many bottles of Seal n shine which I purchased due to its amazing value and performance, but I won't be stocking up the new products given how poorly they seem to perform.
true dat~!
I have been using ceramic coating for over a year now and I just love it as it gives ( for me) that silky feel for a longer time.
Fantastic video Jimbo! Excellent thoroughness! Love all your videos! Ignore the idiots! You are doing phenomenal work! Keep it up my friend!
How many times do you need to explain what each of the 4 sections are... 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure 24 hour cure
People still don’t listen
Although Jimbo has a fun personality, and torture test comparisons are fun to watch, I am not sure how valuable they actually are. How often do people actually apply a product like Seal & Shine to their car and then judge performance through successive application of aggressive cleaners? Most people I know judge performance based on weeks of sun/UV exposure coupled with periodic mild detergent washing. I know enough about Chemistry to know these are two different routes to product failure which means a torture test winner may or may not be the best performer when judged over time/UV/normal washing. Can we get a video that tests durability like that?
yes but how do you do that in a video that isnt 3 months long?
@@jusb1066 Sadly, I don't think you can. 3+ months testing is what it takes to get the true answer. A couple of years ago I saw a multi-part TH-cam video series with a monthly check in for paint sealers and wax durability. However, it was from Europe and therefore didn't have the US products in their test. I don't know if that series is still on TH-cam or not. Paint manufacturers from all over the US have the same problem. They choose to apply their products to car hoods, cedar shingles, PVC siding (per their intended paint application) and place them in multi-acre exposure fields near Miami, Fl for 1-3 years of exposure. They know there is no quick test that perfectly matches the real world combination of industrial contamination, UV exposure, rain, etc. They run laboratory accelerated failure tests with hyper UV exposure and water spray to get an indication of performance, but they treat the Miami tests as the only real truth. Paint sealers are obviously different than paint, but the concept is the same. Personally, I wouldn't mind waiting 3+ months. I have a bottle of Seal & Shine and am happy to keep using it during that time.
Which protection is best against UV/Sun? Seal N shine or Ceramic?
@@chintu9737
Seal and shine
Love Seal and Shine, but already had pre-ordered the ceramic spray as well. The streaking sucks, but I found rotating constant dry towels helped some. I found that if I pushed to finish a panel, and there was a buildup already, it streaked more than when I just kept grabbing dry ones.
I've been spraying a couple pumps of Seal and Shine onto a small foam pad, then wiping down one panel at a time. Good results, less product used and no streaking.
This is a post made by Turtle Wax on Facebook about Seal N Shine VS the Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Coating ....
We’re loving the buzz about NEW Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating! We designed this product to compliment fan-favorite ICE Seal N Shine and created it to solve some of the detailers’ pain points with SNS. The difference-makers in the Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating product include:
- Easy on, easy off product application even in direct sunlight & high humidity - amazing results on paint, metal, plastic & glass in minutes
- Chemical resistant, but designed for real-world application so it lasts up to 12 months when applied per the directions on the bottle (cure time is important here - AND don’t apply your 2nd coat until after the first coat cured for 24 hours)
- Increased depth of paint color, gloss & shine
We’re not going to lie, if you want a chemical resistant product, ICE Seal N Shine is your go to, but if you want the complete package - from ease of use, to durability to a high-gloss shine, Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating is our pick!
Im going to use both, the seal n shine is better in my opinion and the whole ice line up but for some customers i cant bring the car inside or shaded anywhere and thats where hybrids will be better so i think ice line will be for indoor and hybrid for out doors
I don't understand why TH-camrs think it's a great idea to use head-mounted Gopro footage. It's terrible footage and it makes me dizzy.
All I want to see is TW Ceramic compared to Technitians Choice TEC582 which I use now on my BLK car and LOVE It
It’s a great fricken product
@@autodetailingpodcast Which one is greater? I bet both are not too shabby :) I ordered the new TW Ceramic and also the car wash as I reached out to them and they said on a black car that has soft clear to combo both. Heck why not try-damn car is brand new and awful. Walk by it and it scratches-lol
thanks for the vid jimbo...I had just watched pan's vid and was surprised he didn't wait the 24hrs...in his, the new ceramic started to fail immed upon chemical applied then wash with reset.....which just destroyed all the hype about this product and diminished the value...imho. I also thought it was rec to wait 24 to layer...
what I am interested in …..is the gloss better with the new vs seal and shine. s&s still wins in durability but is the gloss better with the ceramic???? as brian has shown across the board that a product that substantially enhances gloss trades off in the durability area...especially qd's and ….sealants that increase/enhance gloss are weaker than their durable competitors. would like to hear your respected opinion.....and I think a comparison of
hybrid wet wax....vs....waxedshine aquabead lets see how this new "crap"(lol) as u put it holds up.....cheap vs expensive right up your alley
respectfully, john
Exactly what I was thinking. The Pan video is very informative
i agree. Other than the chemical resistance test we saw here. I would like to see the differences between gloss, in-depth slickness after cure time, and long term durability.
@@MithosXXI have u recd your package promised from the launch......I am reading between the lines
Project farm did torture test. I believe turtle 🐢 wax hybrid solution won.
yup I think you're right.
I pre-ordered the new Ceramic stuff, BUT after your test I cancelled it and will continue to use Seal and Shine. Orig formula Seal and Shine for the win!!!
Billie Bob Norton III I did the same thing.
@@vetteboy1024 Add me to the list too LOL
Great video. As a new car owner for the first time in over 15 years, it seems technology has changed a lot. from your video, I'm leaning towards the ceramic coating for ease of use. The snippet about your dad sold me. Forgive me for being nitpicky but I would have liked the exactly cured products placed on the exact opposite quarters of the hood. ie, far left, far right. This way the contours match. Thanks for info and review
Looks like seal & shine winner
Need to see which one has a higher metered shine
Pan The Organizer says the ceramic spray has a higher gloss.
Well here's my $. 02 from a light color car owner... I have 2 Mineral White Bimmers and have very little streaking that quite honestly would be invisible to most. So I consider "streaking" a non issue. The smell isn't fruity but it ain't funky either. ICE Seal n Shine is simply the Best performance value in car detailing, period! I did pre-order 2 products from their new line just to try/compare. 👍🏽
Great job as usual.
I have a black truck and I also had no streaking issues with S & S.
I have a black car , I dont notice streaking either with seal n shine. I think the more we compliment seal n shine, TW may raise the price Again!.... so we might need to quiet down
@@93hb my thoughts exactly!
I had preordered a bottle of the ceramic after I was so impressed over the past 4 months or so with the Seal and Shine. I canceled the preorder after seeing three tests like yours that didn’t show an improvement and even appeared that the ceramic wasn’t as durable. I’ll stick with the Seal and Shine for my quick, easy, inexpensive paint protection.
*And this appears to be the OLD VERSION of (SnS)*
The new version, last even longer...
You’re prob right. This video is 5 years old now.
@@autodetailingpodcastDon't see many videos, comparing the NEW (SnS) vs the Ceramic Spray Coating.
It'd definitely be interesting to see a torture test of both (fully cured), to see which one wins once and for all. 🤔
I pre-ordered the new Hybrid Turtle Wax and I will be using it differently. I use seal and shine as a drying aid when I am in direct sunlight since it was so much cheaper than Sonax BSD. I'll probably do a 50/50 comparison of Hybrid Turtle Wax and seal and shine on my DD RSX as it sits outside during the day. Thank you for always making these informative videos Jimbo!
That’s a great idea
Can you use the Seal & Shine as a topper/maintenance on the TW Ceramic spray?
I think so, I don’t see why not.
Can an already ceramic coated paint be sprayed with seal and shine to provide more protection? Or will that ruin or not even work with Ceramic coatings?(Not Sprays)
I understand about the fragrance thing.
I can't use Megs D166 because of the sour apple scent.
TurtleWax brand is my favorite but these two items are so far my LEAST favorite do to the fact that they leave a lot of streaks. Spray wax (improved formula) is my favorite, and I recommend it to everyone who wants flawless quality 🤩
I love the ice spray wax too
Seal and Sine is great stuff and that's what I had been using however I've since switched over to the new hybrid line simply because there are a number of products to compliment the ceramic spray such as the wash, the detailer and the wet wax. I just like the idea of having a line of products in the same family that work well together. Still a big fan of Seal and Shine though.....it's all good stuff and you can't go wrong with any of it. Oh, and yes, I do like the smell of the hybrid solution line.
From pans test seal and shine came out on top and im happy I have so much of it in my collection. Also I’m tired of waiting until nov 11 to order it!
Well because he didn't let it cure
After using Seal N Shine and other coatings dried on dirt over time seems to be a better torture test than a same day chemical test.
I've gone for the seal n shine although it's called just sealant here in the UK. In my opinion it seemed to sheet the quickest during your test. 👍 good test thanks for uploading, time to give a try myself.
seal and shine does less well in real life. it has good chemical resistance but can easily be washed off by dirt and abrasion. the good thing about the ceramic spray coating is that it can be used on a wet car and makes wiping off water really easy. its not the same as just using seal and shine on a wet car. Seal and shine performs very very poorly when i do i.e. a road trip of 2000km. Also seal and shine imho cannot be boosted. you can apply 20 layers or 1, it makes no difference. Hybrid ceramic wax CAN be boosted. if you use it after wash every 2 weeks or whatever you definetely get a durability boost which lasts for a few months.
I never have had any streaking using Seal & Shine, I love how it protects & shine's. For me, I'll stick with an already winner product.
We are glad you love our ICE Seal N Shine! We love to have something for everyone!
I've used both. This season was a claybar with a once over with the Hybrid polish with 3 coats of the Hybrid spray wax - proper cure times of course... Absolutely sick. One month since the last coat with the SiO2 - holding up really well with sunglass gloss. Have used S&S over the ceramic as post-wash once over = sick&sick. Double whammy folks...stuff works on my Tornado red GTI.
$ value for both is over the top. STREAKING??...I very lightly mist distilled h2o over the affected affected area(s) wipe with your best fluffy...voila! Good luck with whatever u use!!
Ordered deal and shine for 5 bucks a few months ago. Got 3 bottles. I’m good 😭😂
All I have to say is fucking finally
Lots of hype around these new TW Hybrid products, but I think people
don't really understand them yet either. Turtle Wax says that you have
to compound the Hybrid Sealant off to completely remove. Even if your
torture tests show that its removed by no water beading, they say its
still on there. I currently use Reload and reviews show that it doesn't
last that long. I want to try the Turtle Wax Hybrid Sealant, but am
hesitant to try because if I don't like it or if something better comes
out, I have to compound it out. I don't have a polisher or experience
doing this nor do most people. I also have PPF on half may car and this
creates issues as well as I dont want to polish the PPF and scratch it.
Can you address some of these points in your video? Will the Hybrid Bond
over a old coat of Reload or is special prep required? Is the "starting
with a surface with no residue of other products" and example of people
making a bigger deal over things than needs be? IT seems like this TW
Hybrid is more of a coating that a sealant like Reload (more temporary)
and If I were going to apply a coating I would probably spend more money
to get a 2 year sealant like C Quartz or something like that. I think
people need clarification as to if this is a coating (permanent) or a
sealant (temporary) so that more accurate comparison reviews can be made
You can read Turtle Wax's comments here
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I bought seal n shine because of your videos. I do see the streaking on my sterling gray car. I like that it protects. I will have to try the ceramic product. I have so much seal n shine it will prolly last into next year. Thanks for the detail advise and product tests.
I’ve applied Seal N Shine to a few different cars and the only time it got streaky for me was when I was doing it in heat/sunlight.
You absolutely cannot use Seal N Shine in the sun or else you will get streaks. It flash-dries on the surface so you literally can’t wipe it off. To fix the streaks, I waited until it cooled off, then reapplied the product on top of the streaky areas and it fixed it.
I'm sorry, the new Hybrid Solutions line just isn't worth the extra cost. But on the other hand Brian from Apex Detail has not reviewed it yet. There's still a little hope left. 🤞
On the ceramic coating, a 24 hour cure is needed between coats too. You put it on too thick imo. Great vid! Can't wait to try it. No such thing as a "wet cure", really, imo. S&S needs no cure. The ceramic coating will wash right off if not cured properly. In conclusion, for my money, I'm Stickin with S&S. Cheaper and more durable. In my use of S&S, I had no problem with the streaking on the paint. However, I did have some streaking on glass. TW tried to one up on S&S but imo just didn't score with the ceramic.
Beading....... Pros want sheeting
Looked like Seal and Shine FTW to me.
I watched the mentioned Video, dunno why it was even uploaded
To comment on a few things. I'd say I want water beading. It is a higher level of hydrophobicity. When a coating or sealant, etc, starts to degrade, it goes from beading to sheeting. So if we're already starting at sheeting, its hydrophobicity isn't as intense as it could be. And another thing, usually when rain water collects on a car, its as if you left distilled water or purified H2O on a panel that mostly doesnt leave any water spots. Since tap or hose water contains all the minerals and agents that we'd consider make up hard water, those agents dry and leave spots on the panel. Thats generally where water spots come from.
Other than that cool video man I'm really loving this first person shooter angle. Its really working. Keep up the good work, Jimbo.
i think what he tried to describe with the "water spots" after rain is that even if you celaned your car the day before, there is going to be dust on it, when it rains you get spots where the water picked up the dust and then dried. At least they aren't going to do anything bad to the paint like lime does (i hope that is the right translation for the mineral in most hard tap water)
What does rainwater contain? As a result of this process, rainwater is inherently dirty. It needs that condensation nucleus - that dust, soot, or flake of salt - in order to form and fall. This is precisely why you'll have probably noticed that, from time to time, the rain on your window leaves streaks of dust.
great test Jimbo, for me the sns is the winner again , paid 2 or 3 time the price for near resultat, uhmmm not sure. i will continue to recommand sns ;), thz Jimbo
Taking into account the price and the performance, Seal 'n' Shine is a fantastic product still.
For basic services I use Seal n Shine because the price is outstanding and the average client isn’t going to fully understand the difference or want to pay extra for SiO2 based product. For those that want ceramic like protection but not the level of application needed for professional level ceramic coating I use Gtechniq C2 Liquid Crystal V3(20 dollars on Amazon offers a year of protection).
my biggest take away of all these companies making ceramic sprays is that we are now we truely have another option instead of waxes. And this new ceramic spray has cut down alot of time for me instead of the traditional wax and sealant. I probably will not use a liquid sealant again. because of buff on and buff off you can always still scratch the paint when buffing the sealant off (on a soft car paint) these spray on wipe off is the future!
Seal 'n Shine is still my favourite🤜💪
Great product 👍
Totally agree with you 👍💯
I fucking agree. I bought 4 bottles when they were 6 dollars each.
Mr. Jimbo, I really enjoy both products from Turtle Wax. I used the Hybrid Solution products on my cars, & I used the Seal N Shine on cars that have carnauba wax applied to them. So they have different applications. The Hybrid Solution products were applied about 9 months ago on both of my daily drivers, still have shine & protection. The Seal N Shine I used after I used I applied Meguiars Ultimate Polish & Ultimate Wax. Also used S N S, as a booster, after I used TW Ice Spray Wax. As a non professional, For your viewers, I HIGHLY recommend both products from Turtle Wax. Remember, the key in using any polish or wax, prepare your car properly.
I’d be interested in the difference of the gloss readings between the two products.
I agree. Why was the "gloss factor" not even a consideration?
Wondering this the whole time. Never mentions a word about how it looks.
@@HoosierDaddyDetailingit should definitely be a category in every video.
in another video i watched the the newer hybrid ceramic spray had the better shine
The only torture test here is if you manage to watch this video for 24 minutes. The camera movement in this video is just freaking crazy!
Agreed.
Have been using Turtle Wax Seal & Shine on all my car's . Simply the best for the PRICE and DURABILITY if applied correctly I remain
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New ceramic coating for me, good prep and cure time equal longer protection.
Haven’t watched yet. I’m hoping the ceramic is a little LESS durable! The issue I have, weirdly, is Seal&Shine is a damn commitment. I like trying new products, and with seal&shine if I wanna get back to clear coat it is gonna be a meg’s wash+ and light polish process. S&S is more useful to me for other people’s cars. Weird I know.
If I can get the gloss, hydrophobia, and easy application of S&S in a formula I can actually remove without abrasion I’d be stoked. Time to watch!
Wow best chemical test I have ever seen on TH-cam, Wiping the degreaser in and using purple power was great. Spraying the cleaner and just rinsing, doesnt check the chemical resistance. It's more of a hydrophobic test then a actual chemical test. i am surprised that either of the products had anything left after that chemical test.
I'm sick of all these product demonstrations. No one that has a gloss meter has shown the reading yet neither
Will be interesting to see if seal and shine wins in protection when exposed to the elements and how much more gloss and potentially warmth the ceramic spray has.
I love Seal n shin I use it as a drying aid every 2-2/1/2 weeks after a wash for my 2018 Sierra & my wife’s - 2020 Wrangler just make sure you have a damp microfiber to follow works on WHEELS GLASS TRIMS Etc. the gloss level is excellent
Seal and Shine performed better
Can you apply it in cold , in like +5 Celcius ?
If you apply it on top of Glaze , Poor's boys black hall for example .
How long both of them last on daily driver kept outside ?
I’m not sure. You would need to try it out. It doesn’t get that cold where I live
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Ive been a fan of seal n shine since it came out i cant say ive had streaks but like a shadowy oil looking sections maybe i put it on too thick i dunno but took some effort to rub it out evenly i ran out and wanted to detail my wifes white suv ran to walmart to get more was sold out but in canada they just introduced the new turtle wax line so i grabbed a bottle of ceramic spray and im glad i did it goes on easier yet! half as much did 2019 ram limited crew and a 2019 lexus nx300 using no more than half a bottle.and the hydrophobic properties are a little better yet, after i saw the results on hers i wanted to hit my dark ram and wow did it ever turn out nice 2 days later and did a foam and rince and it was as clean as if i did a contact wash not even bird drops stuck on
, anyhow i love it im so glad i was forced to try it because its now my go too protector spray from now on! Give it a try guys even if you favor another product i love it 👍
I only experienced a little streaking with Seal n Shine on the hood only. The vehicle was at operating temperature after going through a drive thru car wash, I applied Seal n Shine as a drying aid. I attribute the streaking to the latent heat in the hood from the heat of the engine. I was able to eliminate the streaks by applying Collinite 845 to the hood and wiping it away. Not sure how "layerable those two product are but I definitely have good protection. I would like to see a salt grime mixture applied to hood and allowed to sit on the panel for a few days after a proper application of the products, to me that is real world. I am not in hurry to get the Ceramic product I have plenty of Seal n Shine. I really like Seal n Shine.
Hello everyone. I think maybe some folks are missing a bit the point with this ceramic coating line: I recon most of you (as me) are very much focused in final gloss, hidrophobicity, beading... I use for some time a nano-ceramic product (no point in mentioning the name, it is very hard to find online, is British made and is exclusive for professionals, so you normally would not find it online (only one youtube video that I'm aware). Anyway, this ceramic coating is applyed similar to the Turtle Wax ceramic coating BUT: the main point is NOT to get a real high gloss and/or hidrophobicity. It does both, but they are a sub-product. The main point of that nano ceramic product - and I think the same with the Turtle Wax product - is PROTECTION. Protection against light scratches, against bird poop :) against mosquitoes at high speed, against abrasive dust, against UV. The product I use (because I have access to it professionally) costs 50 Euro (60 US dollars?) per bottle of 250ml: that's smaller then any of the one showed. But I tell you: when you splash mosquitoes in your Ninja at 290 km/h, let them sit there for a week and then you rinse with water and they all just disappear, you understand that the point with nano ceramic coatings is protection, not shine. My humble opinion , hope it helps.
I'm a neophyte, but that makes sense to me, hence my previous post asking if the, or a, ceramic product should be applied 1st, then a "shiny one" on top, post cure, if required.
@@truthoveremotion6776 Not necessary. A good ceramic has both protection AND shine.
Right on. Most people get obfuscated by those "torture tests". Those are ridiculous. Who in heck sprays wheel claner in the bonnet in real life? If you want a real valid test, splash mosquitoes ther , or put th paint under a UV light and heat for days. But that does not make "interesting" videos, right? Duh.
Man this is a tough one but i will say i have a decent stock of S&S and it being a bit more elbow grease to keep the streaks away isn’t an issue for me because when using one towel for application and one for buffing its not that big of a deal, will still be picking up the ceramic coating for some certain areas I’d like to test, great comparison Jimbo
Edit: I’d like to emphasize again the fact even turtle wax mentioned on their instagram that if someone just wants a chemical resistant beast that S&S is the go to but the ceramic coating caters to those who just dont wanna put in thr additional elbow grease for buffing off the S&S.
Love the fact how they are transparent and arent just trying to upsell
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