I’ll never forget the NBA on NBC promos for the bulls would show a pic of their big three consecutively with audio saying SUPERMAN - BATMAN - & RODMAN 😂
I remember the off season when the Bulls got Rodman. No one wanted him. Everyone was afraid he would destroy any team he went to. I was a little nervous he would do it to the Bulls. You knew he was gonna bring drama and problems with him. He ended up being an absolute perfect fit for that team. Could very easily have gone south really quickly.
I knew it was over for the league when Rodman went to the Bulls. He was killing it over in San Antonio. He was right about Pop and Robinson at that time. Jordan is every bit of a dog as Rodman.
@@Noname-fr8rz🧢 Rodman literally did nothing vs Shaq. Shaq averaged damn near 30ppg and almost shot 70% vs Chicago the yr Rodman joined. The yr prior without Rodman, Chicago held Shaq to under 25ppg and he shot like 45% vs them. A full season Jordan was the difference not Rodman
It's probably the best guest i've seen on a basketball podcast ever. Great stories, dude played with Bird, Shaq, Kobe and played vs Jordan and Dream in the Finals. Unreal
The GOAT thing about MJ was the next year he scored 45 purposely on that close out game 😂 💯🔥💪 that Magic team was 🔥 tho and Horace made a difference too.
After a season ending loss players take some time off before getting ready for the next season .. mj told his trainer, "ill see you tomorrow" .. thats 🐐
Mj had a torn ligament in his wrist as well. Still gave them 30 plus a game lol Biggest thing they were missing the rebounding of Horace as well as his defence. Once Rodman was in the Bulls swept the Magic.
'92 Bulls vs. '09 Cavs 2nd to 5th best guys: - Pippen --- Mo Williams - Horace Grant -- Antwan Jameison (33 yr old, not the kinda decent 26 yr old twan) - Paxson -- Varejao - Cartwright -- Anthony Parker The Cavs lost 1 guy (Lebron) and went from 61 wins, to 20 The Bulls lost MJ, and added a rookie Kukoc, and lost like 3-4 more games Im not saying Im sure Lebron is better; Im saying anyone who still doesnt think its close in either direction made up their mind 15 years ago
What MJ did was crazy: he took more than a year off to play another completely different sport, came back and lost the Conference Finals, then came back strong, finished with a 72-10 team record, and completed another three-peat. Imagine what was going on in his head. The motivation is crazy.
Thank you B Shaw for mentioning the fact that they beat the Rockets in the reg season that year. Folks don't know or remember how much Drexler going to the Rockets changed that team. That Magic team was great that year, they were headed for the title.
Yeah but it didn't amount to much, especially since they got swept.... And by a 6th seed, under .500 team. H-town baby.... 🚀🚀🚀🚀. Never underestimate the heart of a champion....
Rockets were 47 in 35 that season, they kept getting better and better in each round of the playoffs, beating the Jazz, Suns, Spurs anyone remember the dream shake Hakeem put on David Robinson, I think when the Magic lost game 1 in the fashion they did, it destroyed there confidence the rest of the series.
G1 changed that series let's be honest. Even with Drexler, the Magic, Nick Anderson, choked in G1. For a young team to lose that way is crippling. A young team is not as resilient to bounce back. If they win G1, it's a totally different series. Nick Amderson game took every last breath out of the Magic.
MJ changing back from no. 45 to no. 23, is like when Clark Kent became human because he wanted to marry Lois Lane, but then went back to get his powers and turned back into Superman! 💪
Shaw makes an excellent point: We'd just pass the ball into Shaq (in today's game) and he'd foul everyone out. (I think he'd have some games with points in the 70s and/or rebounds in the 30s in today's game)
The nba wouldn't let all the players foul out, maybe to bigs Max, that they let foul out you also have take into account 3 points is more than 2 I just watched zion and bi vs Lakers recently zion couldn't be stopped at the rim but the Lakers were hitting every 3 pointer had like 90 points at the half to the pels like 74 or something if prime steph and klay making all their three's it don't matter how many dunks or fouls shaq draw it be fun to watch tho
I was wondering why despite the increase in pace and stats going up, nobody is grabbing, let's say, 18 rebs a game. Big men are forced to guard the perimeter and with so many 3s shot, you get many long rebounds going to guards. I'd be curious to see Shaq in this game style, but on offense for sure he'd kill everyone
Rodman really is undervalued in the history of the league. People seem to only remember him for rebounding. His defensive mastery and timely offense seem to be forgotten. He would have been a major factor in a series against the Lakers. Jordan and Kobe canceling each other out is debatable. The Bulls overall roster was better than that Lakers squad. Detroit was a huge problem for that Lakers team but we are to believe that the Bulls would have no answers. Interesting…
@@RobBThreeX Detroit was a problem in 2004. Not sure how problematic they would have been in 2000-01. Shaq was in better shape and the Lakers had more talent in the supporting cast. Rodman dealt very well with Shaq in 1996, but he couldn't handle him in 2000. It would be an interesting series! Regardless of the matchups, I tend to consider the 96 Bulls the best team because they had an incredibly stifling defense and more killer instinct than any other team maybe
I remember clear as day when RODMAN went to the BULLS. There was a headline on this magazine that read….”Hair and Air, can it work?” And it surely did 😁Those were the days
Rodman was having problems with everyone and nobody wanted him with all his crazy antics! Some say Bulls made a superteam cuz they got him, but those people don't realize the mindset, how much of a huge gamble the Bulls took to get Rodman. Absolutely great credit must be given to the Phil, MJ, and the Bulls org leadership to have the bravery taking that gamble which obviously paid off big time, but I also was damn scared it ended up in disaster! To the credit of Rodman too, I think he really respected Phil & MJ cuz he knew these guys were absolute proven winners so he willingly followed their lead.
Excellent commentary by b-Shaw when talking about the Jordan vs the magic team. I remember those series as if it were yesterday. When Jordan faced them the 2nd time around, he destroyed the magic along with Rodman who totally outplayed Horace grant who all of a sudden got hurt in that series. To penny’s credit, he had a Gr8 series but Jordan was just Spectacular! They swept the Magic, and sent shaq to the west Coast. If shaq had returned the following yr, it’s safe to say the Bulls would have just beaten them again.
@@HeathOverledgerRodman was a good passer and an elite offensive rebounder he was not a negative on offense especially back in the slow 90s when no bigs could shoot
Kobe Jordan canceling each other out? Stop it. The main difference between Kobe and Jordan is efficiency. Kobe never shot 50% in a season. Jordan shot that for his career. Hate to bust you guys bubble.
And Kobe would of tried to go 2on 1 with Mike,and would have fed right in the hands of what Phil wanted to do,Shaq would of had less touches,penny played better in Orlando with Shaq than Kobe did
He showed up in 23 game 2 in Orlando, not Chicago. I still remember watching it as a kid when he was walking out for the tip-off, thinking they were showing old clips.
People out here talking about how the Magic beat the Rockets in the regular season, and trust me I didn't like the trade for Drexler at first neither, but what they did, will probably never be done again, by winning from a 6th seed, being .500 under and sweeping a young stronger team. I feel Jordan was elated with that, and couldn't wait to get his turn at the Magic.
Kobe averaged the same amount of points in the Indiana finals as Austin Croshere.....and he missed almost 2 games.......these Kobe fans are dillusional
He said no one would have a an answer for Shaq but Jordan and the 96 bulls swept the magic and prime shaq that same year. 96 bulls vs 00' Lakers = Bulls in 5 .
I remember that series. As a Bulls fan you hoped for something that deep down you knew wasn't likely. The Bulls were a barely over .500 team for the season. Jordan took them further than they had any business being in the playoffs then. Even though Jordan was rounding into form, the Magic were legit. Young Shaq, young Penny... and what people don't get is that the two of them, Penny in particular, had a full year WITHOUT Jordan in the league where his confidence could just grow. Orlando fully were favorites and deserved to win. It's still shocking how that finals vs. the Rockets went down to me. Shaq deserved better. Dream was incredible but Shaq didn't let up either and was outstanding. Love Jordan as a player. But there's no denying that mentally he just destroyed guys on the court. So much of it was mental and he owned folks.
Rodman was the real difference. Thank God the Bulls got him. I really don't think there's any way they're winning 3 straight again without that guy. For sure brought his drama and still had his moments but he was the difference
That's what made it more entertaining, all of his theatrics off the court was nullified by his action on the court. Hence HOF. 110percent. The grimey dirty work, the defense of any player the sacrifice of body.
He changed in GM2. First game Bulls we’re about to win but Anderson stole ball from MJ and then afterwards talked trash about 45 not being the same as 23. So MJ came out wearing 23 in GM2 still in Orlando and Bulls won that game.
The Michael Jordan Revenge Tour 1995-'96 Is The Stuff Of Legend. Alongside the rest of The Chicago Bulls, That particular Team became the most dangerous ever in NBA History.
@@billyjenkins3672 Rick fox? That’s the least of the Bulls concerns Kobe and Shaq in 2001 are the 2 greatest teammates in NBA history and it’s not close
Oh! And Shaw is TOTALLY RIGHT about the Grant on shoulders bit. That pi$$ed Jordan off like you wouldn't believe. To add insult to injury, Grant missed much of the series in the playoffs of that 72 win team but in that first game, Grant was there, it was a blowout (Bulls swept), and he was thoroughly outplayed by Rodman who even outscored him.
@@HARVEY_1988 Yes, that same GM hired Tim Floyd & turned into a lottery team. Stop the nonsense. Jordan made that team elite. Period. Jerry Krause should have sent flowers to Portland for life making him look genius.
@@brianwatson7099 16 Warriors Couldn’t Even Beat 16 Cavaliers. As Long As The 96 Bulls Has Tex Winters. Bulls Smoking 🚬 Lakers! You Need To Learn More About Basketball 🏀
That team was NEVER a superteam…A superteam consist of 3 Current Allstars on the same team…No-one called the Bulls a superteam back then…Ya’ll love to try and revise history
It wasn't a super team. Having Rodman on your team with 2 other superstars won't make them a superteam. You could put Rodman on ANY other team at that time and they will be lucky to make the playoffs. Nobody was gellling with Rodman and nobody got the best out of him. When he got with the Bulls, and playing with the GOAT, brought a rare opportunity to do something special. Only MJ would have garnered the respect to get the best out of Rodman cus he had the clout that Rodman respected and woul listen to
Well Rodman did stop Shaq in that Bulls sweep of the Magic. Then despite how great Kobe was, MJ would still had the edge over him, so I'd think the Bulls would still come out on top of the 3 peat Lakers but it would have been a close tough match up.
@@yayz9442 that Magic Shaq already on his 4th year, avg. 26-29ppg and a 300lbs backboard breaking behemoth! So that version was already very close to his peak. That 96 Magic team was also a strong 60w team.
Great convo but B Shaw confused the 73 win Warriors with the ‘17 warriors that had KD. He was asked about the KD warriors but answered using the 16 warriors. Also he omitted that H Grant was injured during the rematch series where the magic got swept. I still think the bulls win that series but it would’ve def been a different dynamic.
I saw B Shaw at hooters w H grant in Orlando and I remember telling Bshaw great triple double...looked back that was his only triple double ! Both stand up dudes
@@dparks2856Excuses, Shaq was slimmer, younger and more athletic with the Magic tha he was in LA and Penny had one of his 2 best seasons in his career. The Magic still got their asses whooped and the Bulls sent Shaq out of the Magic to the Lakers that off-season.
That was Jordan's first full season back going 72-10 and 15-3 in the playoffs. Makes you wonder how those 2 years in-between 3peats would have gone had he didn't retire to play baseball. Could he have 8peated or even 9peated (seeing how he might have wanted to hang on for 1 more season to surpass the 1960's Celtics 8 straight)? And if he did that, would LeBron fans STILL call him the GOAT even with him at half of Jordan's titles?
Jordan himself believes not. A 3peat campaign is incredibly tough on the body and the mind. They would probably take a L in 94 or 95 because of wear and tear and assuming they reach the finals Houston was a very solid team with an all time great center. I'd even say there's a chance they drop one of 2nd 3peat rings since the team would be different had MJ not retired
I doubt it. They would have burnt out physically and mentally. MJ was under pressure with his gambling habits, the death of his father and press attention. I think he really benefited from that year off, he rediscovered love and motivation and that void allowed Pippen and Kucoc to grow
@@hiitsme3039we'll never know, but I doubt it. Rodman was old, Pippen was injured, Jordan wasn't getting any younger. 98 was the hardest ring, and Duncan and Robinson would be a new unique challenge.
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Agree. No player dominant insde the paint like Shaq yet. I have said that to my players and friends ever since the 3 pt era and fast line up began. It will only return once a very dominant inside force arrives. The line up will change to adjust to the inside game and the game will become more balance(inside and outside game). Problem is big players with potential to dominate the painy do not focus to be dominant inside the paint, instead they practice to play outside and shoot the ball at the 3 point line also.
Brian Shaw forgot Rodman pretty much had Shaq's number. Sure Shaq got his, but he had to work harder against Rodman to do it than he had to against everyone else. And Kobe vs MJ wouldn't be as close as people think. The Bulls would goad Kobe into a 1-on-1 against Jordan every time. This means Shaq would not get the ball in the post. It would literally take away LA's most efficient and dominant weapon. At that stage in their careers, Jordan was stronger and smarter than Kobe. Bryant wasn't the Mamba yet and didn't have the mental discipline to deal with MJ on the court. We should count ourselves lucky that MJ didn't face Kobe when both were at their primes in a championship series. Michael would be liable to break Kobe mentally if he had to just to win. Kobe would have shot LA out of that series, and would get traded the next season as a pissed-off Shaquille would point out that he didn't get enough touches because Kobe was bent on proving (and failing) that he was better than Michael.
5:55 interesting perspective considering he had Shaq on his team when those same Bulls swept them in one of the biggest margins of victory for a series ever.
Had Jordan returned earlier in 95 season Krause probably could've got Rodman or another legit power forward and then the Magic would've been swept and we'd have gotten epic Jordan vs Hakeem finals.
So it was Nick Anderson who was the root to MJ going back to 23. No wonder he choked at the free throw line in the Finals. They say ball don’t lie. I guess the ghost of 23 don’t either.
Dennis Rodman was the answer for Shaq, as well as Luc Longley and Bill Wennington who the Bulls had at Center to make it difficult for Shaq. The X factor would've been Pippen because the Lakers didn't have anybody to guard him. Pippen and Jordan would've taken turns guarding Kobe, which would've allowed Jordan to out play Kobe. The Bulls would've beat the Shaq & Kobe Lakers because the Bulls were a deeper teem.
"The 72-10 Bulls wouldn't have had anyone who could deal with Shaq," he says, 45 seconds after talking about the 72-10 Bulls sweeping Shaq out of the playoffs 😂
Little known fact about that ‘95 Bulls-Magic series: after changing back to #23, Jordan scored a combined 65 points in the second half of game 3 (I think) and the first half of game 4 (30 and 35 points).
Immediately after The 1995 Eastern Conference Semifinals, Michael Jordan went straight into training in the Gym, filmed "Space Jam 1995", and trained while on set. The season arrives, and the rest is History.
B Shaw's memory a little foggy. Anderson said that statement after Game 1 with the late game steal off MJ that led to the GW dunk and then MJ came out in #23 in Game 2 to drop 38 points I believe. But he's right that it triggered a switch going into 95-96 esp Horace Grant getting carried off on the United Center court
If Shaq was the NBA’s Superman then Kobe was definitely Batman. Bro knew everybody’s game, didn’t really like many people(he did but didn’t really show it on the court) and you gained his respect by playing tough and working hard. Always training.
Between Jordan and Kobe cancelling each other, Rodman still gets his rebounds and Pippen makes up the scoring that Shaq produces.. Harper shuts down Fisher, Kukoc handles Rick Fox. End of the game heroics goes to Jordan. Close second goes to Kobe because his Jumper is not as consistent as Jordan's.....
That speech reflects the defeatist attitude of someone who hasn't even tried to compete. It's reminiscent of the narratives we often hear from players who faced Jordan. Had they not harbored such defeatist mindsets, the outcome would likely have been very different. In boxing, Evander Holyfield's victory over Tyson serves as a prime example of what can happen when someone refuses to be mentally defeated.
Jordan was off almost 2 years, and only played the last 17 games of the season when they lost to the Magic. And the Bulls were not doing great. They had a 34-31 record when Jordan returned. The next full season with Jordan the 3 peat starts again.
5:50 Jordan and Kobe don’t cancel each other out. Not playoff Jordan. Playoff Jordan is a WHOLE DIFFERENT beast than Playoff Kobe. Also, at 5:53, Rodman would have contained Shaq just like he contained him in 96 when they SWEPT him. The 96 Bulls would be ANY Shaq and Kobe Laker team.
Where the Magic messed up, they celebrated raising Horace Grant in the air like they won the championship in front of the Bulls. MJ always took in game and post game celebrations personally. Thats all the motivation the Bulls needed to sweep the Magic the following year. Great take by Brian Shaw.
aside from the Bulls sweeping Orlando. The prediiction at that time was that if Chicago and Orlando would meet in the ECF that the Magic would win, regardless that the Bulls just won 72 games. When they met in the ECF, there were a couple of games that the Magic were leading by 18 or 20 in the 1st half but for some reason fans that are not rooting for Shaq or Penny or people in Orlando felt that the Bulls will find a way to win those games.
No answer for Shaq is often said, but Shaq teams were routinely taken to 6-7 games (or swept)....dominant statistical nightmare, yes, but his teams were routinely challenged. Those Indiana, Utah, and Portland teams were a handful, but aren't better than GSW (or the '16 Cavs). Full respect to B Shaw, this was a great pod 👏🏽👏🏽!
Dude you are spot on !!!!! Shaq was a monster no doubt but the bulls defense was so elite they’d bother him for sure !!!! No question people forget how nasty Rodman and pip and mj was on defense the thing is Kobe was nice too but both of them not getting off vs the bulls it’s one or the other
"This is the GOAT, in MJ" [0:15]. When Jordan retired in 1993, he was the best player in the world, but there were easily five other candidates for the GOAT title: Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, and Larry. Michael had only played 8 full seasons, with 3 MVPs, 3 championships, and 3 finals MVPs, plus one DPOY and the ROY. He had only scored 22k points, far behind both Kareem and Wilt.
I’ll never forget the NBA on NBC promos for the bulls would show a pic of their big three consecutively with audio saying SUPERMAN - BATMAN - & RODMAN 😂
I used to hum that theme, lolololol
Thats heavy
lol joker?
Facts
I loved the promo alot ..and up to now I still hear it in my head😂😅
I remember the off season when the Bulls got Rodman. No one wanted him. Everyone was afraid he would destroy any team he went to. I was a little nervous he would do it to the Bulls. You knew he was gonna bring drama and problems with him. He ended up being an absolute perfect fit for that team. Could very easily have gone south really quickly.
All facts Bro. I said no way was this gonna work. After that first game, everybody in Chicago forgot about that shove to Scottie. Lol
Strangely, when I saw Dennis at his first Bulls press conference, I had a feeling something special was about to happen.
I knew it was over for the league when Rodman went to the Bulls. He was killing it over in San Antonio. He was right about Pop and Robinson at that time. Jordan is every bit of a dog as Rodman.
This is fact. People cry about the Bulls having Rodman but nobody wanted to deal with him.
Ask Popovich
@@shlidgn90Rodman said Robinson didn’t have the heart to lead a team to a championship.
He was right
Jordan took all that shit personal lol. He even use the guys from the space jam movie as practice for the league. Savage lol
They would’ve lost again without Rodman
@@Noname-fr8rz🧢 Rodman literally did nothing vs Shaq. Shaq averaged damn near 30ppg and almost shot 70% vs Chicago the yr Rodman joined. The yr prior without Rodman, Chicago held Shaq to under 25ppg and he shot like 45% vs them. A full season Jordan was the difference not Rodman
@@tarrellsmith3260thank you for understanding the game
@@andrehoward558yea way too many current nba fans are not really fans. They just repeat things from Twitter.
@@MikeBNumba6way too many current nba fans are 2000 born babies who didn’t watch or can’t even remember the nba pre 2015
B Shaw is a pleasure to listen to. Very calm and clear, no megalomania or overstatements
Agreed 100%
Hasn't he head coach yet?
@@ManChan-w5pyes. He was with the Nuggets for a few years.
@@ManChan-w5pnot yet pretty disrespectful dudes been an assistant for ages but guys like Darvin Ham Adrian Griffin get jobs
@@DirtySouth-om7zj All those assistants jobs he has had with Phil Jackson but head coach in the NBA is just a puppet figure.
It's probably the best guest i've seen on a basketball podcast ever. Great stories, dude played with Bird, Shaq, Kobe and played vs Jordan and Dream in the Finals. Unreal
PG - EXCELLENT job letting your guests speak without interrupting.
The GOAT thing about MJ was the next year he scored 45 purposely on that close out game 😂 💯🔥💪 that Magic team was 🔥 tho and Horace made a difference too.
I forget about that 😅😅😅😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That game is one of his most underrated playoff games
Yeah but trust and believe, Mike was elated they got swept by Houston.
He may have. He missed two free throws in the closing seconds. lol
😂 GTFOH .. I gotta look this shit up.. If this is true, it further supports his GOAT status
After a season ending loss players take some time off before getting ready for the next season .. mj told his trainer, "ill see you tomorrow" .. thats 🐐
noname
And told the casino manager I'll see you in an hour.😄
@@CreativeBigL 😂 facts
@@CreativeBigL MJ went home that night!!
Yeah, that’s how you know he was pissed. He came back someone else, like “Check, niggas”😂😂😂😂😂
Mj had a torn ligament in his wrist as well. Still gave them 30 plus a game lol Biggest thing they were missing the rebounding of Horace as well as his defence. Once Rodman was in the Bulls swept the Magic.
MJ didn't make excuses for fuckin up. He just worked, took what he had, and persevered towards the goal.
-- Just like Lebron. Leave a worn down DWade and join forces with Kyrie plus KLove to form a younger, more perseverance crew
If Mj was in bron situation he would be ringless or with 1 ring ( Mavs series )@@jlui21
@@jlui21lol sarcasm
'92 Bulls vs. '09 Cavs 2nd to 5th best guys:
- Pippen --- Mo Williams
- Horace Grant -- Antwan Jameison (33 yr old, not the kinda decent 26 yr old twan)
- Paxson -- Varejao
- Cartwright -- Anthony Parker
The Cavs lost 1 guy (Lebron) and went from 61 wins, to 20
The Bulls lost MJ, and added a rookie Kukoc, and lost like 3-4 more games
Im not saying Im sure Lebron is better; Im saying anyone who still doesnt think its close in either direction made up their mind 15 years ago
didn’t blame his teammates, didn’t ask for anybody to get traded. He looked himself in the mirror and said “i need to be better”..
What MJ did was crazy: he took more than a year off to play another completely different sport, came back and lost the Conference Finals, then came back strong, finished with a 72-10 team record, and completed another three-peat. Imagine what was going on in his head. The motivation is crazy.
Thank you B Shaw for mentioning the fact that they beat the Rockets in the reg season that year. Folks don't know or remember how much Drexler going to the Rockets changed that team. That Magic team was great that year, they were headed for the title.
Yeah but it didn't amount to much, especially since they got swept.... And by a 6th seed, under .500 team. H-town baby.... 🚀🚀🚀🚀. Never underestimate the heart of a champion....
Rockets were 47 in 35 that season, they kept getting better and better in each round of the playoffs, beating the Jazz, Suns, Spurs anyone remember the dream shake Hakeem put on David Robinson, I think when the Magic lost game 1 in the fashion they did, it destroyed there confidence the rest of the series.
G1 changed that series let's be honest. Even with Drexler, the Magic, Nick Anderson, choked in G1. For a young team to lose that way is crippling. A young team is not as resilient to bounce back. If they win G1, it's a totally different series. Nick Amderson game took every last breath out of the Magic.
MJ changing back from no. 45 to no. 23, is like when Clark Kent became human because he wanted to marry Lois Lane, but then went back to get his powers and turned back into Superman! 💪
And still lost
He should wore it for baseball.....and while drafting for Charlotte...and wore 45 in washington
@@jamesmacker then the next year 23 dropped 45 in the close out sweep
So basically grant was that guy in the bar who punked Clark and made him mad
@@lokey987poetic justice
Shaw makes an excellent point: We'd just pass the ball into Shaq (in today's game) and he'd foul everyone out. (I think he'd have some games with points in the 70s and/or rebounds in the 30s in today's game)
The nba wouldn't let all the players foul out, maybe to bigs Max, that they let foul out you also have take into account 3 points is more than 2 I just watched zion and bi vs Lakers recently zion couldn't be stopped at the rim but the Lakers were hitting every 3 pointer had like 90 points at the half to the pels like 74 or something if prime steph and klay making all their three's it don't matter how many dunks or fouls shaq draw it be fun to watch tho
I was wondering why despite the increase in pace and stats going up, nobody is grabbing, let's say, 18 rebs a game. Big men are forced to guard the perimeter and with so many 3s shot, you get many long rebounds going to guards. I'd be curious to see Shaq in this game style, but on offense for sure he'd kill everyone
Rodman really is undervalued in the history of the league. People seem to only remember him for rebounding. His defensive mastery and timely offense seem to be forgotten. He would have been a major factor in a series against the Lakers. Jordan and Kobe canceling each other out is debatable. The Bulls overall roster was better than that Lakers squad. Detroit was a huge problem for that Lakers team but we are to believe that the Bulls would have no answers. Interesting…
@@RobBThreeX Detroit was a problem in 2004. Not sure how problematic they would have been in 2000-01. Shaq was in better shape and the Lakers had more talent in the supporting cast.
Rodman dealt very well with Shaq in 1996, but he couldn't handle him in 2000.
It would be an interesting series! Regardless of the matchups, I tend to consider the 96 Bulls the best team because they had an incredibly stifling defense and more killer instinct than any other team maybe
Zion is nothing in the realm of dominance as Shaq was. Plus he’s way smaller.
MJ sticked with the Bulls; He didn't joined another superstar. He didn't complain. He didn't cry. He didn't flop. He didn't load manage.
I remember clear as day when RODMAN went to the BULLS. There was a headline on this magazine that read….”Hair and Air, can it work?” And it surely did 😁Those were the days
Rodman was having problems with everyone and nobody wanted him with all his crazy antics! Some say Bulls made a superteam cuz they got him, but those people don't realize the mindset, how much of a huge gamble the Bulls took to get Rodman. Absolutely great credit must be given to the Phil, MJ, and the Bulls org leadership to have the bravery taking that gamble which obviously paid off big time, but I also was damn scared it ended up in disaster! To the credit of Rodman too, I think he really respected Phil & MJ cuz he knew these guys were absolute proven winners so he willingly followed their lead.
He changed to 23 in game 2 and torched their asses to go back to Chicago tied 1-1
Excellent commentary by b-Shaw when talking about the Jordan vs the magic team. I remember those series as if it were yesterday. When Jordan faced them the 2nd time around, he destroyed the magic along with Rodman who totally outplayed Horace grant who all of a sudden got hurt in that series. To penny’s credit, he had a Gr8 series but Jordan was just Spectacular! They swept the Magic, and sent shaq to the west Coast. If shaq had returned the following yr, it’s safe to say the Bulls would have just beaten them again.
Rodman was the perfect fix for the Bulls.
Once the BULLS added RODMAN that following season, and formed that (BIG-3 SUPERTEAM ), it was all over
100%. That Bulls team was weak in the front court in 1995.
@@entertainingsportshighligh7525they were *not* a superteam. With Rodman, offensively they were essentially playing 4 on 5
@@HeathOverledgerRodman was a good passer and an elite offensive rebounder he was not a negative on offense especially back in the slow 90s when no bigs could shoot
@@HeathOverledger tell us you don't know basketball without telling us you don't know basketball.
Brian Shaw, what an excellent guest. You sort of forget just how many important teams he was on, and also how long he’s been coaching.
I never thought that it was odd that he went from one game to the next and changed his number. That’s power. League wasn’t gonna deny him that
Kobe Jordan canceling each other out? Stop it. The main difference between Kobe and Jordan is efficiency. Kobe never shot 50% in a season. Jordan shot that for his career. Hate to bust you guys bubble.
And Kobe would of tried to go 2on 1 with Mike,and would have fed right in the hands of what Phil wanted to do,Shaq would of had less touches,penny played better in Orlando with Shaq than Kobe did
1on 1 I mean
Jordan himself said KB was the closest to him. Imagine that.
@@HoxFeesh When Kobe played with Shaq he was young, still very good but nowhere near as good as he was in 2009 and 2010.
Please...can yall leave Kobe and Lebron out this man's legacy for once? Gat damn
He showed up in 23 game 2 in Orlando, not Chicago.
I still remember watching it as a kid when he was walking out for the tip-off, thinking they were showing old clips.
Brian Shaw made alot of smart arguements...absolutely a blessing to listen to a justified and logical explanation...
Paul is a natural. Keep up the great work.
People out here talking about how the Magic beat the Rockets in the regular season, and trust me I didn't like the trade for Drexler at first neither, but what they did, will probably never be done again, by winning from a 6th seed, being .500 under and sweeping a young stronger team. I feel Jordan was elated with that, and couldn't wait to get his turn at the Magic.
*3:21** Lol, that's cold putting that up, lol.*
B Shaw so eloquent. Amazing stories
He forgot to mention that Horace injured his shoulder in game 1 and was out the rest of the series. That was the biggest blow on the Magic vs Bulls
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The biggest blow was a well oiled MJ. Losing Horace hurt but it was over
#45 hit different…😂💯
“Jordan and kobe cancel each other out”
😂😂😂😂
Sure
The interesting part would of been Shaq but Rodman had been locking him down for years
I agree with you..I Don't know what this guy is smoking😂
He is delusional when he says that🤦🏾♂️🤣
mind you, kobe was 20-22 during that run i could understand if we were talking prime kobe but cmon now..
Kobe averaged the same amount of points in the Indiana finals as Austin Croshere.....and he missed almost 2 games.......these Kobe fans are dillusional
He said no one would have a an answer for Shaq but Jordan and the 96 bulls swept the magic and prime shaq that same year. 96 bulls vs 00' Lakers = Bulls in 5 .
I remember that series. As a Bulls fan you hoped for something that deep down you knew wasn't likely. The Bulls were a barely over .500 team for the season. Jordan took them further than they had any business being in the playoffs then. Even though Jordan was rounding into form, the Magic were legit. Young Shaq, young Penny... and what people don't get is that the two of them, Penny in particular, had a full year WITHOUT Jordan in the league where his confidence could just grow. Orlando fully were favorites and deserved to win. It's still shocking how that finals vs. the Rockets went down to me. Shaq deserved better. Dream was incredible but Shaq didn't let up either and was outstanding.
Love Jordan as a player. But there's no denying that mentally he just destroyed guys on the court. So much of it was mental and he owned folks.
Rodman was the real difference. Thank God the Bulls got him. I really don't think there's any way they're winning 3 straight again without that guy. For sure brought his drama and still had his moments but he was the difference
That's what made it more entertaining, all of his theatrics off the court was nullified by his action on the court. Hence HOF. 110percent. The grimey dirty work, the defense of any player the sacrifice of body.
He and Kukoc
@@supersimpextraordinaire5362 no doubt! Kukoc deserves a lot of love
never knew some of this stuff. shout out to podcast p and crew for bringing old heads on this podcast along with new cats
He changed in GM2. First game Bulls we’re about to win but Anderson stole ball from MJ and then afterwards talked trash about 45 not being the same as 23. So MJ came out wearing 23 in GM2 still in Orlando and Bulls won that game.
Yup. MJ dropped 37 in game 2.
That Magic Team was a monster.
The Michael Jordan Revenge Tour 1995-'96 Is The Stuff Of Legend. Alongside the rest of The Chicago Bulls, That particular Team became the most dangerous ever in NBA History.
Jordans mind state was second to none miss that competitive mentality of going all out miss it
The Bulls would’ve tricked Kobe into making it a 1 one 1 game . Lakers basketball IQ isn’t as high as those Bulls . Bulls in 5
Thank you😂 I said the same thing.
@@mikeal-lateef_5138 Phil Jackson said in one of his books he avoided the Jazz while he was in LA Lolol . He was happy when Sacramento beat em lol
Although I’m taking 1996 Bulls over any team in a 7 game series to just dismiss the 2001 Lakers is non sense not a 5 game series def going 7
@@davis2k1234 I bet it won’t with Rick Fox getting major mins. Scottie ain’t Peja and The Bulls aren’t mentally weak like the kings .
@@billyjenkins3672 Rick fox? That’s the least of the Bulls concerns Kobe and Shaq in 2001 are the 2 greatest teammates in NBA history and it’s not close
Oh! And Shaw is TOTALLY RIGHT about the Grant on shoulders bit. That pi$$ed Jordan off like you wouldn't believe. To add insult to injury, Grant missed much of the series in the playoffs of that 72 win team but in that first game, Grant was there, it was a blowout (Bulls swept), and he was thoroughly outplayed by Rodman who even outscored him.
MJ 🐐. He didn’t take the shortcut to win rings.
If lebron looses to shaq with a hof and his team ads another hof in rodman, peole like you will say he cheated or teaming up
He had an all time great GM who put the pieces in place… Clown
@@HARVEY_1988 ohhh Bron didn’t have enough pieces around him is your excuse huh? What’s the excuse for 2011?
Once the BULLS added RODMAN that following season, and formed that (BIG-3 SUPERTEAM ), it was all over
@@HARVEY_1988 Yes, that same GM hired Tim Floyd & turned into a lottery team. Stop the nonsense. Jordan made that team elite. Period. Jerry Krause should have sent flowers to Portland for life making him look genius.
96 Chicago Bulls. Would Have Smoked 01 Lakers and 16 Warriors.
01 Lakers winning if Phil is the Coach & the Warriors Bench is better then the Bulls Bench so Bulls would lose both series
@@brianwatson7099Bruh stop capping. Nobody touching MJ &Pip.
@@brianwatson7099 16 Warriors Couldn’t Even Beat 16 Cavaliers. As Long As The 96 Bulls Has Tex Winters. Bulls Smoking 🚬 Lakers! You Need To Learn More About Basketball 🏀
Nah warriors destroying them all
@@kapilanmathialagan Lmao!!!....What the hell Draymond going to do? NOTHING!!!
This was a great interview
Once the BULLS added RODMAN that following season, and formed that (BIG-3 SUPERTEAM ), it was all over
It was a wrap!
That team was NEVER a superteam…A superteam consist of 3 Current Allstars on the same team…No-one called the Bulls a superteam back then…Ya’ll love to try and revise history
It wasn't a super team. Having Rodman on your team with 2 other superstars won't make them a superteam. You could put Rodman on ANY other team at that time and they will be lucky to make the playoffs. Nobody was gellling with Rodman and nobody got the best out of him. When he got with the Bulls, and playing with the GOAT, brought a rare opportunity to do something special. Only MJ would have garnered the respect to get the best out of Rodman cus he had the clout that Rodman respected and woul listen to
They were not a super team. They only had one all star MJ I think
@@tajgibson8776 that means the 2016 CAVS werent a Superteam, because LEBRON was the only ALLSTAR Selected that season
Correction B Shaw. Jordan and Shaq would cancel each other out. Jordan was the Shaq of shooting guards, according to Reggie Miller.
Jordan could play with anyone. Him and Shaq would have never lost. Kobe was almost the same exact palyer as MJ
It was after game 1 when Nick Anderson made the “45 isn’t 23” comment and then in game 2 is when Mike broke back out 23.
Well Rodman did stop Shaq in that Bulls sweep of the Magic. Then despite how great Kobe was, MJ would still had the edge over him, so I'd think the Bulls would still come out on top of the 3 peat Lakers but it would have been a close tough match up.
that was young shaq. we talking about grown man lakers shaq
@@yayz9442 that Magic Shaq already on his 4th year, avg. 26-29ppg and a 300lbs backboard breaking behemoth! So that version was already very close to his peak. That 96 Magic team was also a strong 60w team.
@@paulusrumanouw3176 wasn’t prime lakers shaq. We both know he was a different animal on the lakers.
@@yayz9442 Rodman might not be able to stop Shaq like when in Magic but I think he could reduce the productivity quite significantly.
@@paulusrumanouw3176 doubtful. Rodman would just foul out like everyone else. Shaq was straight up unguardable for a few years
Shaw 57 Scottie 58 mike 61.close in age 😂😂😂shaw you funny
Pip ,Rodman & MJ's defense and IQ are 2nd2None...forget about it,no discussion!
Great convo but B Shaw confused the 73 win Warriors with the ‘17 warriors that had KD. He was asked about the KD warriors but answered using the 16 warriors.
Also he omitted that H Grant was injured during the rematch series where the magic got swept. I still think the bulls win that series but it would’ve def been a different dynamic.
Bingo
They still would've been swept,bulls blew them out bad with Horace in the line up
Brian Shaw w legendary stories. Great Interview GOAT George!
Everybody forgets Shaq ran to Kobe to get his ring😂
He musta forgot how good Rodman guarded Shaq in the post
I saw B Shaw at hooters w H grant in Orlando and I remember telling Bshaw great triple double...looked back that was his only triple double ! Both stand up dudes
I loved it when the Bulls swept the Magic. Me and my brother and friends were ecstatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shaq was in his 4th season and Penny in his 3rd season. The Bulls should have won
@@dparks2856Excuses, Shaq was slimmer, younger and more athletic with the Magic tha he was in LA and Penny had one of his 2 best seasons in his career. The Magic still got their asses whooped and the Bulls sent Shaq out of the Magic to the Lakers that off-season.
Jordan the goat point blank.
Shaq definitely missed the question, he said the warriors with KD not the 73-9 warriors
Nah, the Lakers threepeat is overshadowed by all the controversy.
That was Jordan's first full season back going 72-10 and 15-3 in the playoffs. Makes you wonder how those 2 years in-between 3peats would have gone had he didn't retire to play baseball. Could he have 8peated or even 9peated (seeing how he might have wanted to hang on for 1 more season to surpass the 1960's Celtics 8 straight)? And if he did that, would LeBron fans STILL call him the GOAT even with him at half of Jordan's titles?
Jordan himself believes not. A 3peat campaign is incredibly tough on the body and the mind.
They would probably take a L in 94 or 95 because of wear and tear and assuming they reach the finals Houston was a very solid team with an all time great center.
I'd even say there's a chance they drop one of 2nd 3peat rings since the team would be different had MJ not retired
I doubt it. They would have burnt out physically and mentally. MJ was under pressure with his gambling habits, the death of his father and press attention.
I think he really benefited from that year off, he rediscovered love and motivation and that void allowed Pippen and Kucoc to grow
Also, it’s not easy continuing to build roster. Eventually they have to refresh players and not every trade or signing is guaranteed to work.
Jordan said he probably lose but he said he would had have 7 rings because he believed they would of won in 99 if everybody came back
@@hiitsme3039we'll never know, but I doubt it. Rodman was old, Pippen was injured, Jordan wasn't getting any younger. 98 was the hardest ring, and Duncan and Robinson would be a new unique challenge.
5:48 no they don't 😂.
Love Kobe ,but he was never on MJs level offensively or defensively
Podcast P with Paul George i hope you're next guest is Jaylen Brown 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
Agree. No player dominant insde the paint like Shaq yet. I have said that to my players and friends ever since the 3 pt era and fast line up began. It will only return once a very dominant inside force arrives. The line up will change to adjust to the inside game and the game will become more balance(inside and outside game). Problem is big players with potential to dominate the painy do not focus to be dominant inside the paint, instead they practice to play outside and shoot the ball at the 3 point line also.
Brian Shaw forgot Rodman pretty much had Shaq's number. Sure Shaq got his, but he had to work harder against Rodman to do it than he had to against everyone else. And Kobe vs MJ wouldn't be as close as people think. The Bulls would goad Kobe into a 1-on-1 against Jordan every time. This means Shaq would not get the ball in the post. It would literally take away LA's most efficient and dominant weapon.
At that stage in their careers, Jordan was stronger and smarter than Kobe. Bryant wasn't the Mamba yet and didn't have the mental discipline to deal with MJ on the court. We should count ourselves lucky that MJ didn't face Kobe when both were at their primes in a championship series. Michael would be liable to break Kobe mentally if he had to just to win. Kobe would have shot LA out of that series, and would get traded the next season as a pissed-off Shaquille would point out that he didn't get enough touches because Kobe was bent on proving (and failing) that he was better than Michael.
That Magic team got swept by Hakeem 😂
You want a cookie?
Was that the only sweep in NBA finals? I have free wifi.
@@ManChan-w5p no
5:55 interesting perspective considering he had Shaq on his team when those same Bulls swept them in one of the biggest margins of victory for a series ever.
Had Jordan returned earlier in 95 season Krause probably could've got Rodman or another legit power forward and then the Magic would've been swept and we'd have gotten epic Jordan vs Hakeem finals.
So it was Nick Anderson who was the root to MJ going back to 23. No wonder he choked at the free throw line in the Finals. They say ball don’t lie. I guess the ghost of 23 don’t either.
Dennis Rodman was the answer for Shaq, as well as Luc Longley and Bill Wennington who the Bulls had at Center to make it difficult for Shaq. The X factor would've been Pippen because the Lakers didn't have anybody to guard him. Pippen and Jordan would've taken turns guarding Kobe, which would've allowed Jordan to out play Kobe. The Bulls would've beat the Shaq & Kobe Lakers because the Bulls were a deeper teem.
"The 72-10 Bulls wouldn't have had anyone who could deal with Shaq," he says, 45 seconds after talking about the 72-10 Bulls sweeping Shaq out of the playoffs 😂
And Penny hardaway was more effective than Kobe,Kobe was all about trying to go 1on 1
*Shaw started talking gibberish when he said Kobe and Jordan canceled out each other. STOP THAT!!!*
Little known fact about that ‘95 Bulls-Magic series: after changing back to #23, Jordan scored a combined 65 points in the second half of game 3 (I think) and the first half of game 4 (30 and 35 points).
Good stuff.
96 Bulls won 72 and turn around in 97 and won 69 games. That 97 team was a mfer as well
Mr. “I took that personal” -MJ 😂😂😂😂
It’s illegal to bring back Jersey numbers. YOU CANNOT DO THAT (bring back retired numbers). He paid a fine FINE for that shit…🖤💛🖤💛
imagine if Shaq and Jordan were allowed to travel
Immediately after The 1995 Eastern Conference Semifinals, Michael Jordan went straight into training in the Gym, filmed "Space Jam 1995", and trained while on set. The season arrives, and the rest is History.
B Shaw's memory a little foggy. Anderson said that statement after Game 1 with the late game steal off MJ that led to the GW dunk and then MJ came out in #23 in Game 2 to drop 38 points I believe. But he's right that it triggered a switch going into 95-96 esp Horace Grant getting carried off on the United Center court
If Shaq was the NBA’s Superman then Kobe was definitely Batman. Bro knew everybody’s game, didn’t really like many people(he did but didn’t really show it on the court) and you gained his respect by playing tough and working hard. Always training.
Between Jordan and Kobe cancelling each other, Rodman still gets his rebounds and Pippen makes up the scoring that Shaq produces.. Harper shuts down Fisher, Kukoc handles Rick Fox. End of the game heroics goes to Jordan. Close second goes to Kobe because his Jumper is not as consistent as Jordan's.....
That speech reflects the defeatist attitude of someone who hasn't even tried to compete. It's reminiscent of the narratives we often hear from players who faced Jordan. Had they not harbored such defeatist mindsets, the outcome would likely have been very different. In boxing, Evander Holyfield's victory over Tyson serves as a prime example of what can happen when someone refuses to be mentally defeated.
Of course it's Nick Anderson what hasn't he done to mess up the Orlando Magic
Lmao!😂
The question was the Warriors with KD not the 73 win Warriors before KD.
Shaq couldnt make a free throw. How does that work in very close 4th qtr games?
Jordan was off almost 2 years, and only played the last 17 games of the season when they lost to the Magic. And the Bulls were not doing great. They had a 34-31 record when Jordan returned. The next full season with Jordan the 3 peat starts again.
I remember seeing Shaw playing on the lakers, but I ain’t know he was THAT old with his career lol
Why nobody correct him when the guy asked about the Warriors with KD and not the 73-win version? lol
Rodman could guard shaq….Toni kukoc would be the X factor
MJ and Kobe do not cancel each other out. Kobe was not that good early. The Bulls swept Shaq so they proved they could beat him.
You can’t say Jordan and Kobe cancel each other out.
Mike got fined for every game he wore 23 but he didnt care he had bank!!
I loved penny but I thank the magic every time I hear this story 😂😂
Michael, Scottie, Dennis and Scottie saying on plane rides that they won't ever lose games during their 72-10 season
5:50 Jordan and Kobe don’t cancel each other out. Not playoff Jordan. Playoff Jordan is a WHOLE DIFFERENT beast than Playoff Kobe.
Also, at 5:53, Rodman would have contained Shaq just like he contained him in 96 when they SWEPT him.
The 96 Bulls would be ANY Shaq and Kobe Laker team.
Where the Magic messed up, they celebrated raising Horace Grant in the air like they won the championship in front of the Bulls. MJ always took in game and post game celebrations personally. Thats all the motivation the Bulls needed to sweep the Magic the following year. Great take by Brian Shaw.
aside from the Bulls sweeping Orlando. The prediiction at that time was that if Chicago and Orlando would meet in the ECF that the Magic would win, regardless that the Bulls just won 72 games.
When they met in the ECF, there were a couple of games that the Magic were leading by 18 or 20 in the 1st half but for some reason fans that are not rooting for Shaq or Penny or people in Orlando felt that the Bulls will find a way to win those games.
No answer for Shaq is often said, but Shaq teams were routinely taken to 6-7 games (or swept)....dominant statistical nightmare, yes, but his teams were routinely challenged. Those Indiana, Utah, and Portland teams were a handful, but aren't better than GSW (or the '16 Cavs).
Full respect to B Shaw, this was a great pod 👏🏽👏🏽!
Dude you are spot on !!!!! Shaq was a monster no doubt but the bulls defense was so elite they’d bother him for sure !!!! No question people forget how nasty Rodman and pip and mj was on defense the thing is Kobe was nice too but both of them not getting off vs the bulls it’s one or the other
Jordan came back with a vengeance, Rodman shut down Shaq.
"This is the GOAT, in MJ" [0:15]. When Jordan retired in 1993, he was the best player in the world, but there were easily five other candidates for the GOAT title: Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, and Larry. Michael had only played 8 full seasons, with 3 MVPs, 3 championships, and 3 finals MVPs, plus one DPOY and the ROY. He had only scored 22k points, far behind both Kareem and Wilt.