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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2024
- I know on this channel I'm usually criticizing Overwatch, but for this video, I want to talk about something I think they get really, really right - their hero design. Overwatch's characters are a huge part of the game's success, and I would even go so far as to argue that they're the key to the game's continued longevity. So, that's what this video is about! Definitely nothing else. Definitely no secret surprises in this video. Pinkie swear.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
02:21 - Part 1: The Concept
06:17 - Part 2: The Personality
11:13 - Part 3: The Branding
17:09 - Part 4: The Voice
22:52 - Part 5: The Design
28:38 - Part 6: Bringing Them To Life
33:38 - Conclusion
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The Color of Corruption - How Purple Is Used in Video Games: • The Color of Corruptio...
How devs break bones to make animation feel right: • How devs break bones t...
Credits:
Model: Hauluciel ( / hauluciel )
Branding & Graphics: Enso ( / enso_exe ) - เกม
Ok, that shift from the Sombra Skull icon to the new flower one and then off to a completely different icon all in character while also keeping it on topic of the character design was genuinely pretty clever
It was at this moment in the video I realized he actually changed his profile lol
The fun part was that the graphics were actually being updated for the channel live - if you look at the live chat, you can see a few people reacting to the channel pfp changing at the same time as it did in the video haha
@@TheViveros ok that sounds really cool lol wish I coulda been there
@@TheViveros That is so creative
@@TheViveros while I was watching this video, I was hoping you'd have gone the extra mile to update it the moment you changed it in the video, good on you
"i'm personally the kind of homosexual who uses drugstore bleach as therapy" is killing me. in all seriousness, I'm living for the evolution of this channel. it's been great seeing your videos get even better over the last little while. as much as i hate being nice to albertans, happy birthday !!
Valid, I don't like being nice to Albertans either. And thank you!
The characters were the whole reason I (and I suspect many of us) got into this franchise in the first place, I remember seeing the memes on tumblr back in 2016/2017 and thinking "this universe is so cool, I want to be a part of it!".
...It's been a rocky ride to say the least, but I have hope.
overwatch 2 cancelling pve be like :
That last sentence aged like milk left in the sun.
Only Viveros would use the guise of a 30+ min deep analysis of Overwatch's character design to go through the process for his own channel... Love it!
Sombra play
8:23 Couldn't help noticing your Lucio dodging every shot and nade you threw at him that was hilarious
having this video double as a rebrand was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUTE OMG
FUCK I MEANT CUNT
Thank you! Also, I want you to know that it made me cackle on stream to realize that this reply was literally the only comment on this video that was held for review lmao
That was an extremely smooth and satisfying way to reveal a channel makeover, I love it!!!
The model is wonderful and the transitions to and each the changes were wonderful, I can't believe I didn't miss any! Wonderful work, as always!
Thank you so much! It took a lot of work to try to get the transitions to go smoothly, I had to manually toggle on each new setting in Live2D as I was recording and then splice the clips together, which is why some of the lines are a little disjointed, but I was so happy with how they turned out.
@@TheViveros As you should!! You did a great job! Be proud!!
Character design in general is a really underrated thing in games that can potentially be a selling point. I probably never would have played Guilty Gear, OneShot, TF2, and subsequently Overwatch had it not been for the characters.
Legitmately my favourite Overwatch content creator right now. Viveros and Marblr carrying the utube space rn fr.
Thank you so much! I really admire Marblr, so I'm flattered to be considered alongside him haha
holy crap the details in the profile slowly coming in. The outline comes first, then the colored in version, he starts breathing when you talk about breathing (although I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to move your whole torso an inch up your neck when you breathe) his hair starts moving when you talk about hair, and he gets expressive when you talk about expressions, and then he comes alive!
From a writing perspective I really like that this video about design has had a parallel development of you coming up with a design. It brings the idea that you are open about your thought process, and instead of a teacher who uses his example to teach, you're another artist, displaying something that you like while you learn from it and apply it to your work. It would be really hard to pull this off in any other section of art that wasn't design. Good job!
This is especially important for someone like me who is just starting up on TH-cam and, while I have my voice and my model, I'm still trying to come up with a logo and things like that
This video was phenomenal! I'm in school at the moment for Graphic Design and I recently took a Branding class which made your discussion about brand aspects so interesting. I love the discussion about how color meanings change and shift constantly especially knowing when younger kids are taught the "meaning" of colors hell even in my design classes sometimes students and teachers mention or recommend colors using the meaning in America. Seeing you develop your brand identity is awesome and embarrassingly its something I still need to do for myself lol. You and Marblr are a blessing in the Overwatch Community thank you so much for your exciting and inciteful videos. Here's hoping you get more subs and get the popularity you deserve.
Thank you so much! All the credit for the branding goes to Enso, he took my rough concepts and turned them into something genuinely great. The stuff about identifying the meanings of colours is so funny to me because it always makes me think of The Golden Compass - each colour represents a nearly endless list of possible meanings, and a good graphic designer isn’t just somebody who knows the meanings but knows how to invoke the one they’re trying to. It’s a super hard thing to do consistently, and I have a ton of respect for anyone who can get to that point bc I absolutely couldn’t do it without a professional haha
no he got yassified😭😭😭😭
They yassified me to protect my anonymity
Damn, I hesitated to vote on the Zero Escape: 999 one but ultimately didn't but seeing what you mentionned about it in this video, now I'm actually pretty interested but I already voted
It definitely seems like a topic you're pretty passionate about and the broader topic covered along with it is pretty damn interesting aswell!
Thank you! And you can always change your vote if you change your mind, TH-cam polls are pretty flexible with that.
Oh wow I didn't know that, nice!
@@TheViveros11 months late but very sad that it didn’t win (afaik), that title is literally me with the whole Zero Escape series but with “puzzle games” instead.
this is one of my favorite videos on overwatch because it’s such a specific but critical topic; i love it! fun fact: in japanese pop culture, the charm of someone looking one way but sounding another is “ギャップ萌え (gyappu moe)”, and it’s a whole thing. i have such a soft spot for characters like that.
Stopping by to say I watched it live, and a solid video as always. Happy birthday, congratulations on evolving the channel, and I can't wait to see what comes next!
As a wanna an amateur character desginer this was such a treat! Usually I tend to design my characters in big groups and this usually helps me to have a big picture of all the colors and shapes and I'm working with! Again great content, new sub!
This is actually so true, the amazing Overwatch characters are wasted on Overwatch 2.
Edit: Yeah especially now that PVE has been cancelled as well..
It's really a shame that people don't usually care about character design. It's such a beautiful subject to study and it actually makes you get very creative. I loved that you mentioned Danganronpa, it's my favorite game, and while it's definitely not perfect, they probably have the best character design set i have ever seen in a videogame.
Ine thing i absolutely adore is how the hero kits really back up the characters. I absolutely feel like you could guess the personality based off the kit alone.
Really love the video, is so well structured.
Also heavily appreciate de amount of information and the intent of being clear and have it properly explained!
OH MY GOD FUSION FRENZY
About part 4: the voice acting in Overwatch is very amazing at representing all sorts of different accents from around the world, which makes me all the more dissapointed that they didn't get an actual Brazilian person or someone who could do a convincing Brazilian accent to voice Lucio, and instead he just speaks in boring standardized English, besides like 2 lines, which personally decreases the fantasy and appeal of a character that's supposed to represent my culture.
btw great video as always
Happy birthday 🎉
Love the work thats been done so far and cant wait to see those other topics❤
Just found your channel, love your style of editing as well as writing! Subbeddd
20:06 i love how you can see his avatar just right behind the flower lmao
Yeah, I was hoping it’d be a fun little easter egg for people down the road! That clip is actually from my Virtue’s Last Reward streams last year, and I hid the VTuber model so that it only appeared on the recording and not the livestream for the first few streams so that I’d have footage to sneak him in there without giving the twist away lol
the Live was fun. Can't wait to see whats next for your channel!
happy birthday! love your channel, your videos are always a joy to watch
10:55 I must be really bad at getting hints cuz I've been following you for years and never knew any of that lol
this video is so cool!!!! i've played overwatch for like 5 years and i've never even realized all these little things. thanks so much for taking the time to make this
Happy birthday viv! 👏🎉👏🎉 love your videos and I'm excited for the changes. Keep up the great work 💜
ZERO ESCAPE 999 MENTIONED
WOO HOO
So many characters just ooze personality as well as satisfaction. It makes parting with OW hard for me once I start to enjoy it consistently.
It's one of the differences that made me drop GEVO only a few weeks after it launched.
I watched your video about the dunning krueger effect and forgot to subscribe... after losing you to the infinity of the youtube algorithm, it finally decided to show you again!
-subbed
Damn. It *was* a great video. Definitely worth the wait!
Really cool video, well done one of your best so far
I’ve been tricked into watching a 2D mode debut but I wouldn’t have it any other way with how good the reveal was lol nice commentary and model!
my jaw dropped when u mentioned fusion frenzy. love that game. great vid!
I've been lurking on this channel, enjoying the video essays. Your model is very cute, and it makes sense to debut him in a video about character design. I have great disdain for what OW has become, but it's true I still check in on the game and watch some videos about it because I care about the OW world and their characters. Honestly, Blizzard was very foolish to waste the potential of OW's world and characters by trying to force an eSport in OWL. It's a shame this world will never be fully realized.
Happy birthday Viveros
People ask me how I can keep playing this game despite never being able to climb out of bronze/silver/low gold even though I've been playing since the game first launched. It's the characters. I love these characters and they will always be what brings me back to the game between breaks.
I almost didn't click on the video because of pfp- The rest of the thumbnail and title screamed viveros, but I was lost for a moment 😭
I commented this before watching the video and find it hilarious now- Can't wait to get use to the new branding 😂
I'd actually initially planned on leaving the channel pfp alone for a while for this exact reason, but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to change it while the video was happening so I could see the reactions in the live chat lol
You got me your logo thing is sick and I checked your banner. You win
Oh wow what a great video. Very well produced, very instructive, everything I was hoping for … +1 ❤
I applaud you for the rigging on the model yourself!
I haven’t heard of Fusion Frenzy in forever. I thought I’d never see it again. Thank You! I didn’t play it a lot but it cemented itself in my head as an Industrial Mario Party. 😊
The characters are definitely what kept me interested in OW. Before I had a computer or any gaming console I watched the Overwatch shorts and knew about the characters from fanmade content, even if I never joined the fandom. SEVERAL YEARS later when I was able to buy a ps4, I started playing and was already familiar with the majority of characters. My sole reason for grinding the game was to unlock Sombra and play as her bc I fell in love with her character and how they integrated her nationality into her design. I know some people don’t care about representation that much but it makes me so giddy and happy to see the cool Mexican themes to her outfits and Mexican slang in her voice lines. It’s like “hey! I recognize that! I know what that means/is 😊!”. Literally the only time I have given Blizzard money was so I could get her Baile Folklórico inspired outfit in the last battle pass. It’s very nice to see aspects of my culture portrayed as something cool, pretty, and badass 💜
Great video as per usual. Happy birthday! 🎈🎈🎈
Literally, the thing that got me into overwatch was the character design. I genuinely owned the character concept art book before I had the game. Even though I’ve consciously made the effort to stop doing any overwatch fanart and stop playing the game because of everything that’s happened, I still reference a lot of its art concepts in my own art. I still follow a lot of the designers. To this day the thing I miss most is the various Overwatch OCs I’ve abandoned, since explicitly playing with overwatch’s design language is really fun!
I'm not a fan of vtubers personally but your model has some of the better tracking I've seen to be built on a smaller budget (particularly there's no body horror going on with the eye tracking specifically). Well done. ✨
I caught this halfway through the premier while grinding comp and didn't want to start halfway through :((
HAPPY BIRTHDAY idk if im late or not BUT STILLL
Also saying "not just because he's hot" about Lifeweaver is so true wtf
Love the understated shade you were throwing at the NDP in this.
Honestly the real shade would’ve been just using an orange Liberal logo for them, but I thought that might just be confusing for the 95% of my viewers who aren’t familiar with Canada’s perpetual third party.
Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery well written script. I was missing sooo much content like this for the Overwatch community 🥺🥺 Thank you so much for this!!
Hey! I'm really loving where this channel is going but I wanted to ask if maybe you'd consider boosting the treble on your vocals a bit? They're a bit bassy and on a few of my devices it can sometimes make it hard to understand!
I can definitely see about that! No promises, I’m not much of an audio engineer and my voice/equipment just might not be able to make it work much, but I’ll look into it and see if there’s a way to make it happen.
another great video, i always find myself disagreeing with you when it comes to your views on gameplay but your videos are still always very well researched and thought out
It sucks so much that such "gaming company" like Blizzard has literally the best artists in the entire industry. They deserve better.
Rule 34. That's it.
Casually changes his identity mid video LMAO
Is the Vtubers jacket thing inspired by Sombra? Lol I love it (Also happy birthday)
It is! I really wanted to keep a Sombra reference in the design, and her OW1 design’s jacket was the major reference used for the model’s jacket.
Great insightful video, earned a sub today
That transition into the Vtuber model was so cool!!! Good job 💪
I need the clue video desperately
Honestly the Clue one is the one I'm *really* pulling for, I'm hoping the members pick it lol
Fantastic video!!!!
Your avatar reminds me of code from boruto. Really good video
>You love the color orange
my brother, I've finally found you.
ps: this is my new fav video from you - its obvious you went a bit extra on this compared to past vids, so good
pss: I think the "fabric strap thing" you're talking about is probably the 'pelvic curtain'?
Thank you so much! I definitely did put in a lot more time and effort on this one, especially towards the end, and I’m so glad it paid off. Being an orange fan is a hard life, but god gives his toughest battles (not liking some boring shit like blue) to his strongest soldiers. Also, glad to know that that thing has a name!
@@TheViveros Hahahaha. So true, king. It'd be so much easier if I liked blue, pink, or black this much. I'm a little surprised you didn't incorporate orange into your avatar design! My character has (slightly heterochromatic orange-red/orange-yellow) eyes and a little orange heart mark on one cheek.
No L2D/3D model yet, but y'know how it be!
Honestly, the main reasons for not having orange in my model was that I really wanted to run with a rose-heavy aesthetic, and I just couldn't find a way to make orange work with it. Orange is a hard colour to work with since it's such a fine line between looking washed out, muddy, or out of place, and especially since I was really set on the pink and green I figured it was better to just leave the orange for another time. I did use a recoloured version of the model's jacket with blue and orange in my vods channel thumbnail, though, and it did turn out pretty nice.
And yeah, it's a struggle to get a model - finding someone whose style you like who's available and within your price range is a challenge, especially for male VTubers. Hopefully you're able to find one soon, the model concept sounds cute!
A small example of a voice changing all of a sudden is Mercy' "Take two and call ke in the morning!" 😂
15:45 (pictures with sound) "Zack shallack and ack kak pack! YEAYYY!!!"
When you showed all the silhouettes in the casino, who was on the far left? It's driving me crazy
I want to tell you, but depending on when you left this comment in the video you might’ve already gotten an answer lol
@@TheViveros oh lmao it's you isn't it
I didn't know that you were albertan, gay, or had previously worked in politics. I just had a feeling that you were albertan, gay, and had previously worked in politics.
I get that a lot tbh, I give off very Albertan, gay, previously worked in politics energy
omg i love the 999 part i am hyped for the video if it won yay
omg this video was so slick lesgooo
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
Thank you!
The voice of Cassidy also voiced Yusuke in Persona 5.
Genji and lucio are my favorite designs in the game
as someone who began and kept playing lol for several of it's champs, moira was the one hero that finally made me transition to ow.
The constant retcons, inconsistencies (especially when it comes to their female champs who with very few exceptions, all look and act pretty much the same now), that riot does finally made me have enough of it. I've known of overwatch before but the previous heroes didn't speak that much to me in terms of design (for ex i considered reaper, mercy, diva, soldier76, rein pretty generic characters). But now I consider them and what blizz does with them far more superior than some other similar games.
One thing that I always love is the way these characters interact in-game. It's something that the devs are consistent with so no character gets left behind, it's constantly changing and it's keeping people like me entertained and questioning what will their next move be on a specific hero. Especially Moira's quotes are always sassy and fun + her va is simply incredible. Idk i think i'd be here all day talking about how much i love the characters. Despite not playing the game that often these days, i still periodically return just to check on the new stuff they put in regarding their lore.
Not super related to the video but have you played Virtue's Last Reward, and if so how do you feel about it? I know people love 999 but I always liked VLR a lot more
I actually just started playing it on Twitch a week or two ago! I’ve only gotten about 8-ish hours into VLR but I already like it a lot more than 999. Imo, it does a way better job with its characters, and it doesn’t spend hours beating you over the head with exposition. Part of the vod from one of those streams is actually in this video - in the bit where I talk about VTubers during the voice section and show a bunch of VTuber streams, you can see mine in the bottom right corner as I was getting the results for the very first AB room vote (I went with Alice and tried to ally with her, rip).
If Viveros is inspired by the channels mentioned in this video, I’ll be watching happily! Brian David Gilbert and Razbuten are top-tier.
I'm a big fan of all the people I mentioned, but honestly I think BDG's had the biggest impact on my content - there are more than a couple videos on the channel where I was going for a bit of Unraveled energy haha
I just wanna say I've grown attached to the sombra logo, and it will be missed.
Amazing Viveros W
oh my god we have the same birthday
Happy birthday!
shoutout to fusion frenzy. that game was a huge part of my childhood
The ram at 11:05 was not letting you go xD
He wanted me dead that entire match, it felt personal
Happy birthday!
But fck you for giving me ptsd to my 2020 danganronpa phase 😔
For dissonant voices, there's a few other good examples in overwatch (though not to the same extent as Hammond)
Roadhog would likely fit this category. You expect this big, burly junker to have a very loud, boisterous personality, but he's an incredibly laid back person, with the bravado, energy and overall mania going to Junkrat.
Sigma could also fit this role. He's a scientist who went insane because of a science experiment, and you can see elements of both of these in his design. You'd expect him to be rambling and raving, half his sentences being nonsense, but he's incredibly well-spoken, and if you didn't know about his condition he'd seem like any other eccentric old man
And for non-overwatch, you've got (as mentioned in part 5 of the video) the cast of TF2, as well as Krieg from Borderlands.
The cast of TF2 are all different degrees if insanity, but then you get to Dell Connagher, the Engineer. He's the most "normal" looking, and in most of his dialogue he seems fairly sane. He's incredibly intelligent, and got that stereotypical 'southern hospitality' about him, but then a few minutes later he's laughing maniacally and proclaiming himself to be a God.
And for Krieg, it doesn't show often, but when you're playing as Krieg you get to have the cake and eat it too. Regular Psycho Krieg is what you'd expect, but then you have Sane Krieg. Like the engineer, he is incredibly intelligent and compasionate. The dissonance comes from how you expect this massive, musclebound psychotic bandit to just attack anyone in sight, but in his trailer (i recommend it, it's "a meat bicycle for two") you learn all about how Psycho Krieg is wracked with pain and guilt, and this is expanded on in his dlc for borderlands 3
had to stop immediately to give appreciation for dunking on libertarians (not that it's difficult)
I died when I saw that 💀
I hadn't even really planned for it tbh, but I'm glad it worked! I went to get snacks while I was editing the video, saw a school zone sign in the black and yellow, thought "Wait, no, of course!" and rushed home to change it lol
Jesus.........fusion frenzy.......haven't heard that name in like 18 years
I was like "omg danganronpa background music" and then you started TALKING about them and i loved that
I use it pretty regularly in my videos, so I thought it'd be funny to have it actually be relevant for once lol
this is so well written, loved what you said about hammonds voice design, linking it to vtubers, crazy.
Goddamn this video’s well made
I'll disagree with the Sombra's VA part
She speaks spanish just like the character, however mexican and colombian accents are very different from each other and in Sombra's case i can't fully believe that she's mexican just by her voice alone
I think the latin american dub really sells you the idea of her nationality since the VA this time is actually mexican and as someone who is also mexican, playing as Sombra and listening her sayimg things like "aguas, ando chido, qué hubo" really make me empathize with the character a lot more than in the original English audio
oooooo flower preetty
I miss the Sombras skull already
y’know honestly weird comparison but another franchise that’s… struggled in the media spotlight, Sonic the Hedgehog, has also been really carried by their characters, like just watching your video it sounds so oddly familiar 😭
Speaking of OW designs when ppl started trashing on the OW2 redesigns I was so confused on what exactly ppl found issue with. Plus I feel a few designs were revised to be not to stereotypical (Lucio is a good example)
Yeah, I generally really liked the OW2 redesigns. Some of them took some time to get used to, but I definitely prefer them to the OW1 designs at this point.
happy birthday
7:43 as a Nigerian we would take the mad max trio in a heartbeat
I think I'm in love with this video.
the new twink guy icon is sick and feels "you" but it doesnt feel like your channel to me. the flower one seems like a good middle ground that is still you and your channels vibe and doesnt stray too dar from the sombra one but isnt copying hers. I also think that the backround of the twink icon seems a bit empty and it might benefit from a ring or outline/border in a more nuetral color or subtle like a gold or light icy blue. i dont know, but congrats for how your channel is growing so fast you deserve it with your level of research and professionalism.
Thank you! I might see about a different channel icon or something, it was hard to make a choice - the big thing is just finding something I can afford that would look right. There are definitely some instances where the flower works better than the model for replacing the old logo (like on the thumbnails), and it might take a while before all the kinks are worked out of the system when it comes to stuff like the background of the icon
@@TheViveros To add my two cents, the flower may fit the channel better but for me the sugar skull and your face have more “pull” over my attention. In person I rely a lot on looking at people’s faces (and especially eyes) to understand them, so there’s a comfort in having at least the iconography of one there to look over in lulls in the graphics. Even when it doesn’t move, I can tell you with certainty that having a face instead of just a logo captures me in a way and played no small part in why I don’t click off of your videos as much as I do other channels. But regardless, that’s just my opinion, I have full faith that whatever you do with your channel will be beautiful, and I wish you the best of luck
loved that you said “calavera” instead of “skull” 😊 I’m puertorrican, not mexican, but still