I use a vertical grip and shoot +3000 images with 2 batteries before swapping out. No problem at all. I swap both batteries out at time. Simples. And also swap the SD card. I shoot dance sport.
Make sure you're in Airplane mode to turn off wifi and bluetooth. Those drain the battery pretty fast. I can get about 400-500 photos in burst mode 40fps. Usually about an hour plus at the race track or at the airshow with 1 battery. I have 4 extra spares for those all day shoots and will go through 3-4.
@@elmoizme it will be a problem if u doing live video. or continue video. u have to buy a canon pd adapter extra for that. and must have to turn ac on to restrict over heating.
I love the 28mm & the 16mm. I have the camera shut down after 1 minute of inactivity. just hit the shutter button to wake it up. I got myself the Vello Battery Grip and my time has tripled. Cheers!
The LP-E17 costs €65,99 in the austrian canon shop ( currently sold out ). Third party products for this type are easily available. If you are happy to pay € ~1.700 for this cam, you can afford 2 or more spare batteries.
I use Patona LP-17 batteries...they cost 25€ and you need to buy charger as well but the quality is same as original Canon batteries and I'm very pleased with the results.
There are three problems with third party batteries with this camera which are worthy of consideration. 1) The supplied Canon battery charger will not charge third party batteries. 2) If you wish to charge the camera battery 'in' camera using a suitable USB-C charger and USB-C to USB-C lead, it will not charge a third party battery. 3) If you wish to power the camera using an external USB-C charger and USB-C to USB-C lead, it won't work with a third party battery installed, or with no battery installed whatsoever.
@@hamradioop5777 I'm using a third party battery in my 2000D. The charger does not show the correct state but charges the battery. If the battery could not be charged, you can return it and get your money back. Who would produce and sell a battery that could not be charged? Anyway. It works for me.
Thank you for your insight Matti, yes indeed that's true and i was anticipating this scenario when i buy the R8, So to solve the issue i did revamp my setup - For my photo-video-walk setup i bought mine with minimal Small-Rig cage and attached a coupler battery with a portable 15000MAH ANKER powerbank, which last me around 3 hours of video recording 4k 60fps and 2000 shots on my initial testing. through my 2 x 512gb PROGRADE V90 SD CARD straight on. It was awesome! no overheating aswell. its like baby R6 mark 2 on support wheels for my setup
I have also seen vids of the R8 with an external power source and no overheating issue. I believe it is the small battery capacity that causes the overheating.
I’ve taken more than 700 photos during my photowalk and still have 2 bars of battery. If you turn your camera on and off 200 times it will be discharged, you don’t even need to take any photos
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Canon R8. I wonder which would use more battery power. 1. Leaving the camera on for three hours and twenty minutes. 2. Turning turning the camera on and off once every minute for three hours and twenty minutes.
This R8 is better than my RP. Batterylife is always a theme. You can do a little bit more with power saving mode. But thats Canon: get more expensive models or live with some downgrades. For some reasons I use my M6II more often. If you get older, you learn to appreciate lighter weight and smaller size in a camera.
Battery life is essential for any portable camera. In a basic use for taking photos it should last at least for a walk in the city. Without good battery, no matter how many features it has, it is not useful. Cheers!
I have had pretty much the same experience with battery life on my Canon R10, which uses the same LP-E17 battery. It also does not help that the charge indicator is very vague and gives you no percentage number, so you never quite know how much time you have left.
Unlike Sony, where on even the most cheap-o plastic APS-C from many years ago, you have full indicator with 0-100% percent at all times on the screen, when shooting, and it's quite precise with OEM batteries. You know if you are 20% left or 1-2%... However, on Canon, the recovering time from standby is very small, so the camera wakes instantly, better than with Sonys. AND you can program a button on the camera with the function "turn camera off". Which turns it into standby. That is a hugely useful way to conserve battery life, when using the R8, R10, R50 or whatever ML that has the tiny battery (unfortunately, the EOS M cameras do not have this function!), and it can substantially increase your mileage, per battery. Of course, only if you do photo (not video), and mostly if you do like a few photos now, a few 10 minutes later, a few 20 minutes later etc. If you are in a scenario where you constantly shoot or wait it shoot, it's easier just to get an R6 or R6 II or R7, with the larger battery.
This would be only relevant if the % would be precise. In my samsung phone the last 10% of battery is not the same as first 10%. So i also dont know when it will die. I carry reserve battery and change it on r8 when there is only one stripe on the scale.
As a Canon RP owner I've learned to make use of the power saving mode, and to also simply turn off the camera when not needed. Not sure what is the maximum you could get but for sure I've gotten around 430 shots (most with EVF) on one charge with this technique and the battery wasn't fully dead yet. I used to do the same with my previous Fujifilm XT-20 which also had poor battery life.
Thanks for sharing. Like I said in the video, I turned the camera off after almost each photo. I have to try again and see if I can improve my results.
@@stefanbalmus1659 Yeah, but I doubt anything is wrong with the camera. It's Canon's demo unit and I know the people at Canon would never lend out a faulty camera😀
Matti, I really enjoy your videos, and always learn something new. By your title, I thought something broke on the camera. A dead battery is a "fail" if you had certain expectations to begin with, I suppose.
Thanks for your kind words. I expected the battery to last the whole photo walk. I don't remember when was the last time I drained the battery before my walk was over. It's after all quite relaxed shooting.
It looks like a real nice full frame camera for photographers who don't demand all the bells and whistles. Actually it's good value. Canon ergonomics are great and IQ and colors always wonderful, but not sure I will be investing any more in Canon - still use my sl1 and other body for fun, but future dollars keep going to micro four thirds.
Just byu simple power Bank with Power Delivery and charge it on the go. U have bag with you. What a problem? I have 20000 mah, so I can make photo for a month nonstop.
Hi Matti! You have taken very good videos images during your photos walk. If you are a Canon owner of RP, R8 or R10 it is mandatory to have two spare battery if you take many photos and videos. Personally I prefer a small for factor with pour batteries life than a big heavy chunky camera that the battery last forever.
Thanks for the honest review. Btw., when the battery indicator of my Fujifilm X-T2 goes from full [4 bars] to 3 bars, I know there's not so much power left!
I found that the first charge of these smaller Canon batteries often don't last as long as they do on subsequent charges. I bought two extras because I thought they would all be super slow. But nope now That I have charged them a couple of times they last a good amount of time, maybe 400 shots? That is in airplane mode on and all photo and lens manipulations in camera turned off.
My experience with the little battery is much more positive; I have no trouble shooting 1000 shot time lapse videos and a battery lasts me several hours while birding and rattling off hundreds of shots (although ive never bothered to count them). Not sure what happened with your shoot.
Thanks Matti. It surprises me that Helsinki looks more summery than the South of Switzerland. I very much appreciated your account of the camera. I am looking for one that is small and doesn’t have buttons and knobs all over that I accidentally touch. Normally, I still shoot film, so a digital camera should have a good dynamic range.
Why are people so upset about small batteries? In the old vintage-glory film days we got 36 shots from one roll! To get 100 shots you needed a special camera back which made the body big and clunky. Only professional sport photographers would take this pain. Same with Canon R8 - if you want more shoots without swapping batteries buy the big and heavy Canon professional cameras !!!
Thanks. You have a point. Maybe it would be even better if we got only 36 frames on one charge. That would encourage us to think more before we hit the shutter😀
For a long time now I have taken to carrying two spare batteries for any camera. Because I will use the battery right down before swapping it out , and I occasionally forget to charge one of the spares because my dead battery will get put in the same pocket as the fresh one.
@@mattisulanto I will go out with a half charged one in the camera. But no, I'd expect well over 100 shots from a fresh battery. That tiddler looks like it came out of a GM1.
109 images worth of power seems thin. If the cell can be recharged in camera, you could carry a small storage cell for tethering power. Of course, at that camera price point, and given battery prices, annoying thoughts creep in!
Thanks for the tip. It would be easy to test. Leave the camera on for three hours and see how the battery drains. Then during three hours turn the camera on for two min then off for two minutes and repeat that until three hours is up.
The R8 supports USB charging. Certainly you could have brought a USB power-bank and a cable to charge it on your walk. The battery argument is such a weak argument against any camera - just get more batteries or charge the one you have via USB.
I droped my Old Eos Canon to the garbage bin, and switched to Micro4thirds OM-System EP-7 Pen camera, never been more happy, taking photographs... Bye Bye Canon!🤭
I believe in mft too after having used Pentax and Sony full frame and APS-C cameras. There is no loss of qiality and the bodoes and the lenses are lighter.
Whoa! That battery life sounds pretty awful. The LP-E17 is 7.5Wh, compared to 16.4Wh of Sony's NP-FZ100 - making for 2.2x higher capacity. By CIPA ratings the R8 gets 150 EVF shots, Sony a7C whopping 680 - 4.5x difference! I wonder what Canon does differently to run the battery flat so fast,? One would think the lack of IBIS makes the battery last longer, not less! Still, the camera itself seems like a nice lightweight addition to the R-series.
I am an amateur photographer, so I don't know the technical details here. I have a Canon R10, using continuous shooting mode only, during my 3-4h walks or bicycle rides I have an average 450-600 RAW photos and 20-30% battery life. Had EOS 850D before R10, it was basically the same experience I think.
The answer is backward compatibility. Sony arrived much later on camera market and uses the latest and greatest in battery tech. Canon insist on supporting all its old dslr. You can put a brand new canon battery in a 20 year old Canon and it will work. Petapixel talked about it recently. It's a little stupid yeah.
I have Canon RP which is similar in form and uses the same battery I have spare battery with me and a small USB battery charger connected to USB power-bank in my bag that can charge a battery full in about 90 minutes so its ready after the first battery is used.
I mentioned that in the video, but here it is again. The 50mm F1.2 is a big and heavy lens and therefore maybe not ideal with a small camera like the R8.
I find your camera commentary videos quite informative and fair, which is why I always watch them. Thank you for yet another one. Two comments: I was surprised that the kit lens wasn't faster (say 3.5-5.6) so that lens wouldn't work for me. Second, I have found that I can't rely on the battery indicator in most cameras from multiple manufacturers. I have 2-3 batteries for each camera that I own. I usually take two cameras on an outing, and charge up the batteries for both the day before I head out. Of course, if I forget to take an extra battery with me in the field, which happened recently, my charging diligence is to no avail. Oops!
@@mattisulanto Ah okay. Thanks Matti! 🙏 I will have to buy a second spare battery, I think. My GR III usually lasts me a couple days of casual shooting but about half a day of active shooting. I think I can expect to charge an R8 battery everyday or so - Unless I'm on holiday when I will have to maybe charge all 3 every evening at the hotel. 🤔
I'm a but annoyed at this take on the canon r8 everyone on youtube takes. It's one of the cheapest full frame cameras on the market with good no crop 4k60 video capability and one of the best AF. Is there a sony or fuji in its price range with full frame and capabilities? The only I can think of is the nikon z5 and you lose a lot on video. There's a quick way to get double battery life too: get a second battery for 30 bucks and keep it in the bag. If you want a r6mk2 it's a thousand dollar more. If you don't care about full frame, af and l video, get a r7. This is an entry level full frame for people who are new to photography but don't want to put up with aps-c, or pros who want a lighter backup for their r5/r6mk2. If you don't care about easy to use menus and want great battery life, get a fuji xs20
Is it wrong to say the fact that the battery life is bad? Should I just ignore that or should I say the battery life is really good instead, which would be a lie. Every camera has something good and something bad. In this case that something bad is the battery life. In the video I said multiple times that I like the camera. Did you not hear that at all?
@@mattisulanto and yet to title your video specifically on this contentious point, hoping and rightly so that using strong words would drive views. As you can clearly tell, that is also the direction the comment section went and this is the biggest topic of comments under the video. What I find annoying if I may refine my comment is this clickbaity approach that the algo is forcing creators like you to take to "exist" but in turns pushes a very "one note" and limited views rather than a more reasoned and 'boring" that it is a camera with some good points and some obvious compromises made to stick to a price point, target market and position
@@jcloiseau Unfortunately that is the name of the game. If we want any views we have to come up with catchy titles. Everyone wants the views and the competition is hard. Another problem of course is that most viewers only watch a small part of the video and make their judgement based on that.
@@mattisulanto You’re just making my point here. It IS dishonest by design to title the video like this because even you deep down recognize the Canon R8 all together and what it offers but you elected to be dramatic in the title. And I did watch the whole video as you too admitted that the battery probably was not full when you left. What’s sad about is that you are an influencer in the sense that I was discussing the R8 in another thread (can’t remember if here or reddit) and someone mentioned: “I heard some reviewer reported they only could get 109 pictures on a full charge” and that it discouraged them from buying it. I find that this is editorial dishonesty for the sake of views at the expense of balance. It’s perfectly fine from Camera Conspiracies because it is sarcastic by essence but you present your channel as informational, so when you say that it failed you and that you had to cut your walk short as a result (at the closing of the vid), you have an impact on potential customers. Anyway long story short, are you getting the g9 II? It looks amazing
@@jcloiseau I don't think I was dishonest. I was really surprised and disappointed that the battery died so fast. I don't remember when was the last time a battery died before I finished my photo walk. The Canon R8 broke a record there. I can't ignore that and it would have been dishonest not to mention that. It was honest to say that maybe the battery was not 100% full, but the indicator showed full. As far as I understand nobody has said the battery life is excellent on the R8, quite the opposite. Even DPreview wrote "Very short battery life". And I repeat, I said multiple times that I like the camera. I can't help it if people watch only half of the video (not talking about you) and then make comments elsewhere based on that. It's unfortunate that so many only hear what they want to hear (not talking about you) and have only 1min attention span. I'm going to take the R8 out again and I'll turn off the airplane mode and see if that helps. I'll also take another battery just in case. The G9II looks really good, but I'm not going to buy it. I don't need that camera for anything and I'm very happy with my current cameras.
I Love Canon Cameras. But I don't nessasarly like every model. The R8 specs didn't impress me. I'd prefer my R7. It might not be full frame. But the photos are nice and the video is excellent.
For what you get, the price seems quite high to me. There are several options in that price range, like the Fujifilm X-S20 with it’s very good kit lens, just to name one.
Nice photo walk with a nice camera. The photos look very sharp even on video! Canon is really upping their image processor. You said you use the focus point in the middle of the frame, did you mean the flexible spot mode?
There are many, many light weight system cameras from different manufacturers. I stopped using Nikon and moved to Fuji for just those reasons. I'm sure Canon make lots of excellent cameras. However this particular model looks, feels and apparently( from this and other reviews) performs like a cynically hobbled shadow of its upmarket siblings. It really looks like it was built to target the bottom end of the market. Which makes me sad.
@@stefanbadass5357 If only any of that were true, I wouldn't have needed to spend so much switching systems. I have a bunch of XF lenses I'd rather be using, but Fujifilm discontinued the X-E4. I have waited on lists for about year, and searched for alternatives becaseu Fujifilm haven't released anything both smaller and lighter than the R8. The XS-20 is only about 5 milimeters smaller and actually 30g heavier, plus only $200 cheaper. I figure for $200 and the same weight I get access to way better AF, and the light gathering of Full Frame so my f1.8 primes are lighter and smaller than the f1.4 Fujifilm equivalents. If I wan't something tiny, they even have an 28f2.8 pancake, and the XF18f2 was one of my favourite lenses so that's great, it's just old and unreliable. Mine kept losing AF functionality and almost ruined a trip to Ankor Wat. My second choice would hav been the Nikon Z30, still better AF than Fujifilm, plus no EVF so that's a bonus for me. Only problem is that they have so few lenses beyond the 24f1.7 which is more compact than XF lenses. Third choice would be the a7CII with the 35f2.8 which is smaller than the X100V, but heavier. It's got a deeper grip and a bit bigger lens, but by the time it's in your hand it's about the same as the X100V in thickness. That model is just too expensive. As for the "hobbled shadow" of the R8 it's got the sensor and colours of the R6II which I think are the nicest colours I've seen straight of camera in a long time. It's got the AF system of the R3, Jared Polin has even used to shoot pro sports, and complained about the battery only. And I don't personally care about FPS or IBIS for my work. So really it performs better than any Fujifilm camera will for me, becasue I won't be using any of the techy perks they've added. The X-T5 is the first time I feel like they've released an upgrade to the X-T2. Unfortunately I don't care about super mega pixels, and Fujifilm IBIS and AF still aren't very good. They have put a lot of effort into Sport and Wildlife shooting recently but I don't shoot those. Hence: Canon R8, because it balances size, weight, AF, performance, and price better than most things around. It was honestly pretty tight between the R8 and Z30 though. 😂
For sure. I call it "good va!use", but only if you don't mind your 1500 camera forgot to include ibis etc! It leaves so much out but it's a good sensor, all the basics, compact and in that sense I'm not sure you do better in full frame elsewhere. I'm not fanboi tho, you gotta be really ok with what you're giving up. Want to get into video next year, you'll be eyeing Sony or Lumix sales online....
@@mattisulanto the battery life ist not the only problem. The energy consumption is way to high. With this high amount of consumption a Sony A7c would only take 250...300 pictures with the Z100 battery. But it takes more then 600 ones. And a Canon R8 should take 300...350 pictures with this energy from this small battery
The battery life is correct - 150 or less is pretty much what most independent tests produce by default. On that alone I can't imagine why anyone would even consider owning a Canon R8.
Honestly, It's been my experience that many manufacturers overstate battery life. I'd say 150 shots is what I get per charge, single battery, on my R6. My Sony a6400 is about the saame, as my Fujifilm XT-3.
The body is fantastic for travel, the ergonomics are great. Spare batteries weigh nothing, it takes 5 seconds to swap in a new one. Why would I let it put me off?
Shooting with the kit lens and gave the vedict already, it failed, and you claim to be a seasoned photographer!!! There are workarounds for your complaints and what more can you expect from a ~1500$ camera anyways!
I use a vertical grip and shoot +3000 images with 2 batteries before swapping out. No problem at all. I swap both batteries out at time. Simples. And also swap the SD card. I shoot dance sport.
Make sure you're in Airplane mode to turn off wifi and bluetooth. Those drain the battery pretty fast. I can get about 400-500 photos in burst mode 40fps. Usually about an hour plus at the race track or at the airshow with 1 battery. I have 4 extra spares for those all day shoots and will go through 3-4.
@@elmoizme it will be a problem if u doing live video. or continue video. u have to buy a canon pd adapter extra for that. and must have to turn ac on to restrict over heating.
Not perfect but:
- CHEAPEST
- LIGHTEST
- BEST COLOUR RENDITION
- BEST IMAGE SMOOTH TRANSITION FOR PORTRAITS
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related to all Full-Frame cameras 📷
I love the 28mm & the 16mm. I have the camera shut down after 1 minute of inactivity. just hit the shutter button to wake it up. I got myself the Vello Battery Grip and my time has tripled. Cheers!
Thanks for sharing. The 28mm is a super lens and I have to shoot some street on that.
The LP-E17 costs €65,99 in the austrian canon shop ( currently sold out ). Third party products for this type are easily available. If you are happy to pay € ~1.700 for this cam, you can afford 2 or more spare batteries.
I use Patona LP-17 batteries...they cost 25€ and you need to buy charger as well but the quality is same as original Canon batteries and I'm very pleased with the results.
There are three problems with third party batteries with this camera which are worthy of consideration.
1) The supplied Canon battery charger will not charge third party batteries.
2) If you wish to charge the camera battery 'in' camera using a suitable USB-C charger and USB-C to USB-C lead, it will not charge a third party battery.
3) If you wish to power the camera using an external USB-C charger and USB-C to USB-C lead, it won't work with a third party battery installed, or with no battery installed whatsoever.
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I'm using a third party battery in my 2000D. The charger does not show the correct state but charges the battery. If the battery could not be charged, you can return it and get your money back. Who would produce and sell a battery that could not be charged?
Anyway. It works for me.
@@xaosgeist I was commenting on the Canon R8, which is the subject of this video and not your 2000D.
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The R8 uses the LP-E17. That's the one @Vlay76 talked about. You see, there is a third party solution.
Thank you for your insight Matti, yes indeed that's true and i was anticipating this scenario when i buy the R8, So to solve the issue i did revamp my setup - For my photo-video-walk setup i bought mine with minimal Small-Rig cage and attached a coupler battery with a portable 15000MAH ANKER powerbank, which last me around 3 hours of video recording 4k 60fps and 2000 shots on my initial testing. through my 2 x 512gb PROGRADE V90 SD CARD straight on. It was awesome! no overheating aswell. its like baby R6 mark 2 on support wheels for my setup
Thanks for sharing your power setup.
I have also seen vids of the R8 with an external power source and no overheating issue. I believe it is the small battery capacity that causes the overheating.
Not a single chance in hell your getting even 20mins 4k60 the battery is not the problem
I’ve taken more than 700 photos during my photowalk and still have 2 bars of battery. If you turn your camera on and off 200 times it will be discharged, you don’t even need to take any photos
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Canon R8. I wonder which would use more battery power. 1. Leaving the camera on for three hours and twenty minutes. 2. Turning turning the camera on and off once every minute for three hours and twenty minutes.
@@mattisulanto using battery saving mode. I wonder why people make reviews about things they don’t know how to use
This R8 is better than my RP. Batterylife is always a theme. You can do a little bit more with power saving mode. But thats Canon: get more expensive models or live with some downgrades.
For some reasons I use my M6II more often.
If you get older, you learn to appreciate lighter weight and smaller size in a camera.
Thanks for sharing your insights.
It better be, since it’s just about 2x the price when buying used
Battery life is essential for any portable camera. In a basic use for taking photos it should last at least for a walk in the city. Without good battery, no matter how many features it has, it is not useful. Cheers!
Thanks for sharing.
I have had pretty much the same experience with battery life on my Canon R10, which uses the same LP-E17 battery. It also does not help that the charge indicator is very vague and gives you no percentage number, so you never quite know how much time you have left.
That's true. When making the video the battery indicator had two bars and then 3min later it was blinking red.
Unlike Sony, where on even the most cheap-o plastic APS-C from many years ago, you have full indicator with 0-100% percent at all times on the screen, when shooting, and it's quite precise with OEM batteries. You know if you are 20% left or 1-2%...
However, on Canon, the recovering time from standby is very small, so the camera wakes instantly, better than with Sonys.
AND you can program a button on the camera with the function "turn camera off". Which turns it into standby. That is a hugely useful way to conserve battery life, when using the R8, R10, R50 or whatever ML that has the tiny battery (unfortunately, the EOS M cameras do not have this function!), and it can substantially increase your mileage, per battery.
Of course, only if you do photo (not video), and mostly if you do like a few photos now, a few 10 minutes later, a few 20 minutes later etc. If you are in a scenario where you constantly shoot or wait it shoot, it's easier just to get an R6 or R6 II or R7, with the larger battery.
This would be only relevant if the % would be precise. In my samsung phone the last 10% of battery is not the same as first 10%. So i also dont know when it will die. I carry reserve battery and change it on r8 when there is only one stripe on the scale.
As a Canon RP owner I've learned to make use of the power saving mode, and to also simply turn off the camera when not needed. Not sure what is the maximum you could get but for sure I've gotten around 430 shots (most with EVF) on one charge with this technique and the battery wasn't fully dead yet. I used to do the same with my previous Fujifilm XT-20 which also had poor battery life.
Thanks for sharing. Like I said in the video, I turned the camera off after almost each photo. I have to try again and see if I can improve my results.
@@mattisulantoanything's possible I guess. It could be a faulty battery, FW issue in the camera or lens...
@@stefanbalmus1659 Yeah, but I doubt anything is wrong with the camera. It's Canon's demo unit and I know the people at Canon would never lend out a faulty camera😀
Matti, I really enjoy your videos, and always learn something new. By your title, I thought something broke on the camera. A dead battery is a "fail" if you had certain expectations to begin with, I suppose.
Thanks for your kind words. I expected the battery to last the whole photo walk. I don't remember when was the last time I drained the battery before my walk was over. It's after all quite relaxed shooting.
I prefer the R7 premium body quality and speed and joystick. If the R7 with full frame sensor would be great.
The "R7 with full frame sensor" is called the R6 mk II ;-)
I was sitting here deciding if I should purchase the R8 to replace my 90D and doesn't look like it's worth it. Thanks for posting.
Thanks. I think you should watch a couple of other R8 videos too before you decide on anything. Or maybe you already have done that.
Just my 2 cents, I have the 90D too, like it a lot, but now it and my 5D IV have turned into paper weights after getting the R8.
Just turn off " show autofocus " in AF menu nr 3. You dont need focus all the time and be happy.
It looks like a real nice full frame camera for photographers who don't demand all the bells and whistles. Actually it's good value. Canon ergonomics are great and IQ and colors always wonderful, but not sure I will be investing any more in Canon - still use my sl1 and other body for fun, but future dollars keep going to micro four thirds.
Thanks for sharing. We can't own all nice looking systems or cameras. Better just have one or two good ones and concentrate more on photography😀
Just byu simple power Bank with Power Delivery and charge it on the go. U have bag with you. What a problem?
I have 20000 mah, so I can make photo for a month nonstop.
I have M5 with LP17 and take around 1000 photos and many videos with one battery.. tested last week in rugby match
Hi Matti! You have taken very good videos images during your photos walk. If you are a Canon owner of RP, R8 or R10 it is mandatory to have two spare battery if you take many photos and videos. Personally I prefer a small for factor with pour batteries life than a big heavy chunky camera that the battery last forever.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for the compliments too.
Ckickbait title IMHO - I was expecting a much more serious problem. Thanks for the insights though.
Thanks for the honest review. Btw., when the battery indicator of my Fujifilm X-T2 goes from full [4 bars] to 3 bars, I know there's not so much power left!
Thanks for the info!
I found that the first charge of these smaller Canon batteries often don't last as long as they do on subsequent charges. I bought two extras because I thought they would all be super slow. But nope now That I have charged them a couple of times they last a good amount of time, maybe 400 shots? That is in airplane mode on and all photo and lens manipulations in camera turned off.
My experience with the little battery is much more positive; I have no trouble shooting 1000 shot time lapse videos and a battery lasts me several hours while birding and rattling off hundreds of shots (although ive never bothered to count them). Not sure what happened with your shoot.
Did you forgot to switch your camera in flight mode? This make the battery life considerably longer.
Flight mode off.
Thanks Matti. It surprises me that Helsinki looks more summery than the South of Switzerland. I very much appreciated your account of the camera. I am looking for one that is small and doesn’t have buttons and knobs all over that I accidentally touch. Normally, I still shoot film, so a digital camera should have a good dynamic range.
It still looks pretty over here, but not for long😀 The image quality is great on the Canon, can’t complain.
R8 is a beast for the money period.
Why are people so upset about small batteries? In the old vintage-glory film days we got 36 shots from one roll! To get 100 shots you needed a special camera back which made the body big and clunky. Only professional sport photographers would take this pain. Same with Canon R8 - if you want more shoots without swapping batteries buy the big and heavy Canon professional cameras !!!
Thanks. You have a point. Maybe it would be even better if we got only 36 frames on one charge. That would encourage us to think more before we hit the shutter😀
Turning it on and off actually drains the battery more than letting it turn to standby mode after a minute.
Has anyone actually tested that and is there any data available to support that?
For a long time now I have taken to carrying two spare batteries for any camera. Because I will use the battery right down before swapping it out , and I occasionally forget to charge one of the spares because my dead battery will get put in the same pocket as the fresh one.
It's a good idea to have a spare or two with you. However, I don't remember the last time I drained the battery before my photo walk was over.
@@mattisulanto I will go out with a half charged one in the camera. But no, I'd expect well over 100 shots from a fresh battery. That tiddler looks like it came out of a GM1.
109 images worth of power seems thin. If the cell can be recharged in camera, you could carry a small storage cell for tethering power. Of course, at that camera price point, and given battery prices, annoying thoughts creep in!
Thank Matti, I wonder if turning the camera on and off caused the battery to lose power. Some photographers have claimed that .
Thanks for the tip. It would be easy to test. Leave the camera on for three hours and see how the battery drains. Then during three hours turn the camera on for two min then off for two minutes and repeat that until three hours is up.
@@mattisulanto I think that is a perfect way to find out.
Many cameras ativate sensor cleaning cycle with turning on or off and it consumes battery power
The R8 supports USB charging. Certainly you could have brought a USB power-bank and a cable to charge it on your walk. The battery argument is such a weak argument against any camera - just get more batteries or charge the one you have via USB.
Thanks for sharing your opinion on battery life.
Enjoyed your perspective on this camera. How well does the digital stabilization work?
Thanks. The digital stabilizer is for video which I did not try.
Hello. You can add a RP grip battery. But you loose compacity and direcr access to memory card.
Thanks for the tip.
I droped my Old Eos Canon to the garbage bin, and switched to Micro4thirds OM-System EP-7 Pen camera, never been more happy, taking photographs... Bye Bye Canon!🤭
I believe in mft too after having used Pentax and Sony full frame and APS-C cameras. There is no loss of qiality and the bodoes and the lenses are lighter.
Whoa! That battery life sounds pretty awful. The LP-E17 is 7.5Wh, compared to 16.4Wh of Sony's NP-FZ100 - making for 2.2x higher capacity. By CIPA ratings the R8 gets 150 EVF shots, Sony a7C whopping 680 - 4.5x difference! I wonder what Canon does differently to run the battery flat so fast,? One would think the lack of IBIS makes the battery last longer, not less!
Still, the camera itself seems like a nice lightweight addition to the R-series.
I am an amateur photographer, so I don't know the technical details here. I have a Canon R10, using continuous shooting mode only, during my 3-4h walks or bicycle rides I have an average 450-600 RAW photos and 20-30% battery life. Had EOS 850D before R10, it was basically the same experience I think.
The Sony models using the FZ100 definitely have superior battery life
The answer is backward compatibility. Sony arrived much later on camera market and uses the latest and greatest in battery tech. Canon insist on supporting all its old dslr. You can put a brand new canon battery in a 20 year old Canon and it will work. Petapixel talked about it recently. It's a little stupid yeah.
Thank you for an honest review! Which camera did you use to film yourself?
Watch until the end and you'll find out😀 There is a gear list at the end.
@@mattisulanto Thanks! Now I saw it. I didn’t know where to look.
I have Canon RP which is similar in form and uses the same battery I have spare battery with me and a small USB battery charger connected to USB power-bank in my bag that can charge a battery full in about 90 minutes so its ready after the first battery is used.
Thanks for your charging tip.
Why 50mm f1.2 is not suitable for Canon R8?
I mentioned that in the video, but here it is again. The 50mm F1.2 is a big and heavy lens and therefore maybe not ideal with a small camera like the R8.
I find your camera commentary videos quite informative and fair, which is why I always watch them. Thank you for yet another one. Two comments: I was surprised that the kit lens wasn't faster (say 3.5-5.6) so that lens wouldn't work for me. Second, I have found that I can't rely on the battery indicator in most cameras from multiple manufacturers. I have 2-3 batteries for each camera that I own. I usually take two cameras on an outing, and charge up the batteries for both the day before I head out. Of course, if I forget to take an extra battery with me in the field, which happened recently, my charging diligence is to no avail. Oops!
Thanks for sharing. The battery indicator can be unreliable in some cameras.
4.5 on 'small format' is like 3.0 on APS-C.
I want to like this camera due to the form factor, but the lack of IBIS and poor battery life are major issues.
The form factor is really nice indeed, but the battery life is not.
The battery should last noticeably longer when the flight mode is activated in the camera.
I have no issues with my Ricoh GR III and a spare battery, would you say this is similar or has it more charge?
I can get more shots on my GR3x.
@@mattisulanto Ah okay. Thanks Matti! 🙏
I will have to buy a second spare battery, I think. My GR III usually lasts me a couple days of casual shooting but about half a day of active shooting. I think I can expect to charge an R8 battery everyday or so - Unless I'm on holiday when I will have to maybe charge all 3 every evening at the hotel. 🤔
This battery size is bad move for Canon. They don't make even battery grip for that.
Did you try enabling airplane mode? Other people say it helps a lot for extending battery life
I have to try that on another photo walk.
It near doubled my battery life
@@jcloiseau wow... on the r8?
@@MoreData-hz8hm yup. I think canon needs to really review its approach to batteries. It's abnormal that competition can do so much better.
I'm a but annoyed at this take on the canon r8 everyone on youtube takes. It's one of the cheapest full frame cameras on the market with good no crop 4k60 video capability and one of the best AF.
Is there a sony or fuji in its price range with full frame and capabilities? The only I can think of is the nikon z5 and you lose a lot on video.
There's a quick way to get double battery life too: get a second battery for 30 bucks and keep it in the bag.
If you want a r6mk2 it's a thousand dollar more.
If you don't care about full frame, af and l video, get a r7.
This is an entry level full frame for people who are new to photography but don't want to put up with aps-c, or pros who want a lighter backup for their r5/r6mk2.
If you don't care about easy to use menus and want great battery life, get a fuji xs20
Is it wrong to say the fact that the battery life is bad? Should I just ignore that or should I say the battery life is really good instead, which would be a lie. Every camera has something good and something bad. In this case that something bad is the battery life. In the video I said multiple times that I like the camera. Did you not hear that at all?
@@mattisulanto and yet to title your video specifically on this contentious point, hoping and rightly so that using strong words would drive views.
As you can clearly tell, that is also the direction the comment section went and this is the biggest topic of comments under the video. What I find annoying if I may refine my comment is this clickbaity approach that the algo is forcing creators like you to take to "exist" but in turns pushes a very "one note" and limited views rather than a more reasoned and 'boring" that it is a camera with some good points and some obvious compromises made to stick to a price point, target market and position
@@jcloiseau Unfortunately that is the name of the game. If we want any views we have to come up with catchy titles. Everyone wants the views and the competition is hard. Another problem of course is that most viewers only watch a small part of the video and make their judgement based on that.
@@mattisulanto You’re just making my point here. It IS dishonest by design to title the video like this because even you deep down recognize the Canon R8 all together and what it offers but you elected to be dramatic in the title. And I did watch the whole video as you too admitted that the battery probably was not full when you left.
What’s sad about is that you are an influencer in the sense that I was discussing the R8 in another thread (can’t remember if here or reddit) and someone mentioned: “I heard some reviewer reported they only could get 109 pictures on a full charge” and that it discouraged them from buying it.
I find that this is editorial dishonesty for the sake of views at the expense of balance. It’s perfectly fine from Camera Conspiracies because it is sarcastic by essence but you present your channel as informational, so when you say that it failed you and that you had to cut your walk short as a result (at the closing of the vid), you have an impact on potential customers.
Anyway long story short, are you getting the g9 II? It looks amazing
@@jcloiseau I don't think I was dishonest. I was really surprised and disappointed that the battery died so fast. I don't remember when was the last time a battery died before I finished my photo walk. The Canon R8 broke a record there.
I can't ignore that and it would have been dishonest not to mention that.
It was honest to say that maybe the battery was not 100% full, but the indicator showed full.
As far as I understand nobody has said the battery life is excellent on the R8, quite the opposite. Even DPreview wrote "Very short battery life".
And I repeat, I said multiple times that I like the camera.
I can't help it if people watch only half of the video (not talking about you) and then make comments elsewhere based on that. It's unfortunate that so many only hear what they want to hear (not talking about you) and have only 1min attention span.
I'm going to take the R8 out again and I'll turn off the airplane mode and see if that helps. I'll also take another battery just in case.
The G9II looks really good, but I'm not going to buy it. I don't need that camera for anything and I'm very happy with my current cameras.
Turn On the Airplane mode to save more battery
Thanks for the tip.
Turn on the aeroplane mode, you cam get around 600shot
Thanks for the tip.
Teit hyvän pätkän!!! Kussa olit ampumassa?Siistit mestat, toivotaan, että ruskan värit syvenee.
Kiitos katselusta.
I Love Canon Cameras. But I don't nessasarly like every model. The R8 specs didn't impress me. I'd prefer my R7. It might not be full frame. But the photos are nice and the video is excellent.
Thanks. The R7 is supposed to be really nice, but I have no first hand experience.
@@mattisulanto it's definitely better than the R8. But the R7 is more prosumet than entry level like the R100 or R10
Fotos lindas? 😆😆😆
People say buy full frame cameras but sso many budget full frame cameras are so piss poor you are better off getting a well made Apsc camera.
Nice photo walk, but pity about the battery.
Thanks!
You must be really fit matti, walking 2.5 hours! How do you eat enough ahead of time to have enough calories ...
I had a good breakfast😀
Fact heavy battery drain, no real shutter, no mirror system, flickering viewfinder like all Mirrorless, WHY more expensive?.
Should have stuck to Lumix Matti - far more reliable ;-)
I still have many Lumix cameras, one with a broken IBIS😀
Tried turning off airplane mode?
Yes, I had it off.
6:30 Could have got a nice photo of a bird there 😃
It was a smart bird sneaking behind me😀
For what you get, the price seems quite high to me. There are several options in that price range, like the Fujifilm X-S20 with it’s very good kit lens, just to name one.
Thanks. The X-S20 looks like a really nice option.
Title's misleading, but great review, nonetheless!
And thank you for not butchering the pronunciation of the word bokeh.
Thanks for watching!
Body is magnesium 🫢
Nice photo walk with a nice camera. The photos look very sharp even on video! Canon is really upping their image processor. You said you use the focus point in the middle of the frame, did you mean the flexible spot mode?
Thanks. Yes, the flexible spot that moves around the frame and tracks the subject.
It looks like it fell out of a Christmas Cracker. Classic Canon Nerf-Hammer!!!
That's why I bought it. I don't want a heavy high-spec camera.
There are many, many light weight system cameras from different manufacturers. I stopped using Nikon and moved to Fuji for just those reasons. I'm sure Canon make lots of excellent cameras. However this particular model looks, feels and apparently( from this and other reviews) performs like a cynically hobbled shadow of its upmarket siblings. It really looks like it was built to target the bottom end of the market. Which makes me sad.
@@stefanbadass5357 If only any of that were true, I wouldn't have needed to spend so much switching systems. I have a bunch of XF lenses I'd rather be using, but Fujifilm discontinued the X-E4. I have waited on lists for about year, and searched for alternatives becaseu Fujifilm haven't released anything both smaller and lighter than the R8.
The XS-20 is only about 5 milimeters smaller and actually 30g heavier, plus only $200 cheaper.
I figure for $200 and the same weight I get access to way better AF, and the light gathering of Full Frame so my f1.8 primes are lighter and smaller than the f1.4 Fujifilm equivalents. If I wan't something tiny, they even have an 28f2.8 pancake, and the XF18f2 was one of my favourite lenses so that's great, it's just old and unreliable. Mine kept losing AF functionality and almost ruined a trip to Ankor Wat.
My second choice would hav been the Nikon Z30, still better AF than Fujifilm, plus no EVF so that's a bonus for me. Only problem is that they have so few lenses beyond the 24f1.7 which is more compact than XF lenses.
Third choice would be the a7CII with the 35f2.8 which is smaller than the X100V, but heavier. It's got a deeper grip and a bit bigger lens, but by the time it's in your hand it's about the same as the X100V in thickness. That model is just too expensive.
As for the "hobbled shadow" of the R8 it's got the sensor and colours of the R6II which I think are the nicest colours I've seen straight of camera in a long time. It's got the AF system of the R3, Jared Polin has even used to shoot pro sports, and complained about the battery only. And I don't personally care about FPS or IBIS for my work. So really it performs better than any Fujifilm camera will for me, becasue I won't be using any of the techy perks they've added.
The X-T5 is the first time I feel like they've released an upgrade to the X-T2. Unfortunately I don't care about super mega pixels, and Fujifilm IBIS and AF still aren't very good. They have put a lot of effort into Sport and Wildlife shooting recently but I don't shoot those.
Hence: Canon R8, because it balances size, weight, AF, performance, and price better than most things around. It was honestly pretty tight between the R8 and Z30 though.
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For sure. I call it "good va!use", but only if you don't mind your 1500 camera forgot to include ibis etc! It leaves so much out but it's a good sensor, all the basics, compact and in that sense I'm not sure you do better in full frame elsewhere. I'm not fanboi tho, you gotta be really ok with what you're giving up. Want to get into video next year, you'll be eyeing Sony or Lumix sales online....
@@busydadscooking001canon ibis is super annoying with its wobbling on the edges on video though.
oh Matti... I watch nearly every video from you, but I can see it in your face: You don't like this camera with this kit-lens and this battery.
That's not true, I like everything else but the battery life.
@@mattisulanto the battery life ist not the only problem. The energy consumption is way to high. With this high amount of consumption a Sony A7c would only take 250...300 pictures with the Z100 battery. But it takes more then 600 ones. And a Canon R8 should take 300...350 pictures with this energy from this small battery
@@boulderdash2000 Would be interesting to measure the power consumption.
Same issue with the RP
If you've used them you know too bring two extra batteries. No biggie
Hello Matti, is the camera "Made in China"?
Don’t be racist. Where is your phone manufactured?
I did not look, why?
I haven’t seen any good sample photos from the walk. Just title it BATTERY DRAIN. It’s a small battery…
Please send a link for your online portfolio so I can watch and learn from your photos and maybe become better😀
dont use canon battery.
The battery life is correct - 150 or less is pretty much what most independent tests produce by default. On that alone I can't imagine why anyone would even consider owning a Canon R8.
Honestly, It's been my experience that many manufacturers overstate battery life. I'd say 150 shots is what I get per charge, single battery, on my R6. My Sony a6400 is about the saame, as my Fujifilm XT-3.
That seems to be the case, unfortunately.
The body is fantastic for travel, the ergonomics are great. Spare batteries weigh nothing, it takes 5 seconds to swap in a new one. Why would I let it put me off?
Joke of a comment 😂
Maybe because is the cheapest and lightest FF on the market !!!
Am displaced by the battery
Many of the Canon cameras are like a plastic toys
Shooting with the kit lens and gave the vedict already, it failed, and you claim to be a seasoned photographer!!! There are workarounds for your complaints and what more can you expect from a ~1500$ camera anyways!
Beautiful image quality but so many odd choices from Canon to limit it.
So a mediocre camera with the only purpose to bind new photographers to the Canon brand.
I would not say it's a mediocre camera any more than the next camera. Every camera has shortcomings.
Nikon lover?
Tell me one camera brand whose camera model doesn't bind you to their brand? Each has their own unique mount so how can you not be bound once you buy?
WHY do you say it is mediocre?