The Railway Review To The Class 700, 707 & 717
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Ughhhhhhhhh. Let's kick off this rather frigid start to December with a train many of you 'DESIRO' me to review for some reason. Hahaha. Laugh.
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Apologies for the delay to this one. Amidst many things going on, we're also catsitting a dark cumulonimbus cloud that diguises itself as a black fluffy cat. I'll try and upload some more during December, assuming I don't freeze in the cold snap! Still, hope you enjoy this.
Let's see...umm. A Tesco Meal Deal, some paint thinner and a Pritt Stick will be awared to the individual who guesses all the stations filmed at. So 317Dan. :D
0:15 London Victoria
0:17 Windsor & Eton Riverside
0:20 Stevenage
0:30 Peterborough
0:31 Raynes Park
0:48 Vauxhall
0:59 Berney Arms
1:09 Old Street
1:24 Knebworth
1:42 Loughborough Junction
2:05 Preston Park
2:26 Cambridge North
2:39 St Margarets
2:54 Datchet
3:09 Leagrave
3:23 Bowes Park
3:32 Northfleet
3:42 Harringay
3:52 Waterloo East
4:02 Hitchin
4:24 Potters Bar
4:36 Alexandra Palace
4:49 Knebworth
5:01 Cricklewood
5:12 Brookmans Park
5:24 Harringay
7:42 Gordon Hill
7:51 Gospel Oak
10:00 Blackfriars
10:31 Old Street
10:46 Arlesey
11:01 Ashford
11:08 Fulwell
11:22 Kingston
11:29 Feltham
11:36 Upper Halliford (that one was hard)
11:48 Twickenham
11:58 St Johns
12:09 Lewisham
12:25 London Charing X
12:41 Letchworth Garden City
13:06 Salfords
13:17 Hampton
13:34 Potters Bar
13:44 New Malden
13:49 Thatto Heath
13:52 Harringay
14:09 New Cross Gate
14:19 Charlton Lane LC
Paint thinner and pritt stick? You trying to get me high?
Well done! And to answer your question...I can neither confirm or deny. :D
My train home on most days is a 707, my back is broken as a direct result of this.
how ur back?
@@fanner-pg3ex recovering a bit as I now ride 465s instead
@@LordEverythingtrains good not as bad as the 707's
@@LordEverythingtrains but still a little bad
Then y u got a 707 pop then huh?
Desiro Cities are more than perfect in my opinion. They are brilliant machines that are easily one of the most reliable family of units in the UK. I do agree though with some of the downsides mentioned regarding features, but think about it, we're in the UK, and our railways are shit. It's the government and DfT's fault that they don't have more comfortable seats etc. 😵
(I don't care though I love them lol)
Guess your beloved 458 has been finally dethroned? I'll just cancel the gold plated model I ordered youfor christmas then...
How could you!
:)
The 707 is better than the 700 and 717 in my opinion, because of liveries it’s in, but the thing I don’t like on desiro cites are the iron board seats because they are uncomfortable.
True I do love all the 70707070707 liveries
was not expecting the desiro cities after you said they had first class (since 707s and 717s dont have first class) but i can’t wait to see your thoughts on these trains
I always like to be vague with my clues ;)
Best series on TH-cam, never a disappointment. Love the vid!
Thanks mate. :)
0:16 Class 7070707070707070707070707070707
(blue screen of death appears)
Anyways, whats the 7070707 joke? I dont get it for some reason
Also on the 465/2, they have serious corrosion on the frame, as like the Class 332
The 7070707... joke has no real meaning to it outside of it being a reference to the 458 review video I did two years back, so you have every right to be confused, don't worry! As for the 465/2, all I can say to that is loooool.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel you have done the class 700000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 joke
Ridden all Desiro Cites besides the SE 707s. My opinions on these is that the 700 really would of been nice trains if it weren’t for those awful seats. Whilst I don’t live with SWR, I am sort of close to the Hounslow loop line and getting a 707 can be annoying. It’s especially annoying for those long services the 717s and 707s go without a toilet (like the Stevenage, and Windsor services)
You're missing nothing not riding the SE 707s. Bar the colours, it's practically the same.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel I can tell, plus I’m not bothering with south east 😭💀🤣
Well done :)
So my local ironing boards have been sent to the operator I have no intention of ever using as there is no one I know of that lives in the south-east. SWR’s “new” trains have taken a ridiculously long amount of time to even consider starting to operate, so this means I have been punished by forever riding on the 455. Please send help, I just want a jupiter! :(
Considering what the seats look like on the 701, your request has been denied :)
When I was in my 20s I was passionate about climate change, inequality and injustice. But now I'm 31 years old and if I ever commit and act of domestic terrorism it will probably be in revenge for the seating layout on Thameslink
I always nickname these as Desiro Shitties
"The discrete frequencies used by the Variable Voltage Variable Frequency (VVVF) traction package are set up differently in AC and DC areas, to reduce harmonic interference with other trackside equipment."
Words of an intelegent man (not me)
You learn something new every day. Thank you.
him complaining about the seats reminds me, on the paris metro some seats there i would call "decorated bricks" but HOLY
also the 717s and 700s run on my local service so this was nice to see
The reason they sound different is because on DC a DC to AC converter is used, this makes the different sound
8:44
Hello, I'm the singular scouse person in your audiance daniel, So I have came to answer your question lol
Basically, the 10/10a/10b is ran by both arriva and stagecoach because of the "quality network" partnership - Which exists on these routes, as well as the 17, 30, 53, 471, 472, 14, 14a, 14b, 14x, 86, 86a, and 86d, that basically means that Merseytravel pays Stagecoach and Arriva copius amounts of money to work together, accept eachother's tickets, and run together. In the case of the 10 routes, they're getting properly branded bio powered enviro 400 city buses for them next year, which from what I've seen, has a new "metro" livery instead of Stagecoach or Arriva, with their logo plastered above the windscreen on them, they actually look kind of cool, maybe more of the quality routes will get them eventually :)
Ahhhh, I see. So like, forced partnership for mutual goals to prevent one dominating the other? Facinating. Complex, but facinating.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel Pretty much, going to be even more complex when they're all the same livery like London 🤣
8 and 12 cars are good for the Thameslink core, but you see, everything comes at a cost, and since the Thameslink trains have to travel north of London meaning that the budget was reduced by 98.23%, which is why the 700s have ironing board seats. This is all a joke, there's no good reason to have ironing board seats, I'm sure the ironing board I have at home is at least .01% better to sit on
I want to give my mum one of these seats as a present to use as an ironing board.
Ooh, German engineering!
To sum up, it sounds like quantity good, seats bad
I Mean, Thameslink Could Have Ordered A Dual-Voltage, All 7-Car Version Of The Class 345 For The Sutton Loop To Combat The Short Platforms At St Helier
It's curious... The standard Desiros are decent. They go like hell, sound awesome and aren't uncomfortable (from memory).
Then you get the 707 and people are visibly having their backs broken
In my opinion, these are brilliant trains and perfect for their purposes. The one exception to this is when the class 700 operates long-distance mainline journeys, such as Cambridge to Brighton as they can be very uncomfortable and lack some onboard features such as power outlets or armrests.
Now that these trains are done you should do the class 195/331 next
He doesn't take suggestions. Or at least, he used not to.
True Matt, but I'm still keeping the offer to do any train in the UK for a small donation of $599 USD. Just in case ;)
Not just that, but the 196, 197 and 397. Why do it on two trains from the same family when you can do one video about all 5 trains from that family?
@@Danse_Macabre_125 Oh I see you have the $599USD donation ready? If not, don't tell me how to review these trains, thanks.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel I meant that as an addon to the comment posted by @BritishTrainsRBX
i find this series so funny
Gotta love this series! Always looking forward to the next video!
Glad you enjoy :)
Gotta go fast
Hey jakeso
Went from a Class 350 to a Class 802😅
I don't mind the seats. But then I sit on plastic most of the day so some cushioning is greatly appreiated, even if it is some (and it's that or the 376 and I know what I would prefer - the 707). The 700s for Thameslink have been transformational in terms of capacity. Glad that the DfT didn't order them as 4 cars, as now it kinda forces Thameslink to run 12 car Brighton to Bedford (IET TOCs should take note when running 5 cars), meaning no short formations. The ATO makes them far greater than the 319s, and can offer so much more from Central London than the existing fleet would've ever dreamed of.
The Desiro City EP in Train Simulator is laughable in some areas. AP only made a crude AI-only version of the 717 (not bothering to make a new cab model) and didn't alter the interior model for the 707, so that unit in-game is technically just a shortened 700 in disguise.
As for the real units, I haven't got much of an opinion on them, but the 717 is my favourite variant. I will say that I don't get why SWR would cast the 707 off to Southeastern while simultaneously getting rid of the 456s and having some 455s scrapped.
Not much I can add to the Train Simulator bit, but yeah. SWR and in turn, the DfT seem to be suffering from the consequences of their short sigthetness. Good.
And speaking of the desiro city, Can you make the rest of the desiro city for the railway preview?(I mean the classes 185, 350, 360, 380, 444 and 450)
Only if you donate $599USD because I don't take requests.
Pointless loss of width at floor level. This is not due to having to fit the loading gauge. They could have been full width.
Your reaction to the seats 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
For creator that I forgor the name of💀 The 707 is now being used by southeastern railway but can still see SouthWestern railway 707's for some stupid reason
SE only have a portion of the 707s because if they had all, then SWR wouldn't have enough trains for the Hounslow, Shepperton and Richmond services.
swr are still holding onto a few 707s because otherwise they'd not have enough trains. the moment the arterios enter service the rest of the 707s will go onto southeastern.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel yeah, they wont all transfer to SE until SWR figure out how to get the 701s to work
@@Dean0G if the fleet get postponed further or get cancelled somehow I'm honestly not going to be surprised
So what's the point of the 455
Babe wake up, new Railway Review!
I dont actually known if ive even seen a non grefetied 700 toilet lol
as someone who lives on the Sutton loop line, yes, i agree wholeheartedly
the desiro cities could be a ton better but they're tolerable atm
Mhmm. I can barely tolerate them since the alternatives are either not viable or worse.
yeah, we need better trains
refurbished 700s with better seating and power points at every seat would cut it i think
these trains are so almost great. I love how they look and the interior layout feels really spacious with their wide doors and gangways, but the awful seats and lack of table f**ing ruin it. I had to commute on the class 700s for 2 years and its honestly put me off commuting forever.
The seats really ruin it for me too.
I don't get how people hate these trains so much, i think they are cool and comfortable trains to travel on.
Compare these to the Bakerloo and you'll understand
These trains also look ugly imo
These are my least favourite trains
Never end this series
I don't fancy making these videos when I'm 86 and living on the coast in Eastbourne or Skegness. You can keep that Black Mirror episode to yourself thanks :D
@@MaverickHunterDaniel Lol, I guess someone will have to take over then haha
I saw this pop up on my notifications and I was ready with the popcorn
A true fan ladies and gentlemen.
@Maverick Hunter Daniel ready for the rant as always
The trains themselves are good but the seats spoil the whole experience! Curse the dft and their uncomfortable seating requirements!
And unfortunatley, the seats are a rather big component of my journey. I don't plan on standing from Horsham to Blackfriars anytime soon.
Class 700
*class 707070707070707*
Class 717
Like what desire city has a weird design but the *stations* …
What is desirable about them?
wait why don’t people like the 387s?
Well I certainly don't like them and never will. Unless you can justify their use on London to Cardiff services.
7:25 why?
Oh wait
7:32
Watching the cameras to see any lesbians getting it on.
That's hilarious 😂
I don't understand why the trains in the UK have such large gaps and steps between them and the platform, screw people on wheelchairs, I guess?
I swear I've replied to this comment a few times already.
@@MaverickHunterDanielyeah sorry my notifications aren't going through
XDamazing Intro
Speaking of the 10A I've got a bus route near me that has 3 separate operators on it 😭
256 Bradford to Brighouse literally has First bus, Arriva and TLC Travel it's crazy
And as for the 700, 717 and the 7070707070707 I couldn't agree more with your opinions
Sounds and looks nice but the interior is a joke
I made the rage bit as a video clip but I made it 10 times louder
I don't mind the 700s that much because the rear first class is almost always empty, which have much better seats, proper tables and charging ports. The 707 and 717 are not very nice at all though, considering the fact that I'm forced to have no table and sit on an ironing board.
In this day and age, I can't think of a viable excuse for all of the seats not to have charging points. It should be no longer considered a privilege of the upper class to be able to charge your phone or iPad.
this video is an absolute masterpiece
Holy shit 10a bus mentioned 🎉poggers🎉
It uses two operators because life is cruel and they can charge you twice if the wrong bus comes and you're in a hurry. Such a pain in the ass
Oh dear.
Probably one of the best series related to trains i have seen for a long time, and when trains like the 701 are finally built, will you do a video on the aventras?
We'll see.
AC/DC is because AC needs a transformer and that makes NOISE. AC is funky but works better.
Same reason 334s sound different to 458s - 334s, being AC, need a transformer where as 458s being DC don't
On the Mellor Strata seats - McGill's 0101/0102 (first 2 production IIRC) have very deep seats Civic style, and outpace lots of train seats esp Fainsa ironing boards
There is absolutely 0 reason these trains should have ironing board seats.
The Mellor Strata Reference hahahaha.
Just saying, the DCs had potential to be the best of the generation. But Siemens said 'lol, no no no, a Desiro can't be the best of a generation!'
Was the first bus that came to my mind whilst writing the script! Also I feel more like the DFT's at blame here, assuming they specified the seating and faclities.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel yes they did. A majority of the interior design was spec'd by them. I quite missed the 319s at first bc of the seats, but because of air con, I did quite prefer these in the summer (was living on the network when these came into service)
babe wake up a railway review has dropped
the only reason i prefer the original desiros over 707s is the fact 707s have uncomfortable ironing board seats whereas 450s dont
Mind you, the 450s doors operate in slow motion in comparison to the 707. Still prefer the 450s either way.
The Hounslow joke was funny lol
I Prefer DC Mode
9:53 when the sound of real train announcement feedback is more earrape than the actual tf2 earrape
Honestly was a bit too scared to put more earrape on the TF2 bit. I could've made it louder but instead felt like the distortion plugin was good enough. Obviously not :D
Great video with good humour!
Thank you good sir.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel no problem!
did you mention how BAD the announcements are on the SWR 70707070707? SE 707 is like the best livery ever imo
great video btw, completed agree :)
The announcements are so dreary on those units
@@FarmYardGamingfr
The 707s are definitely fastest on third rail so far for some reason. 700s are a bit more nerfed, even 8 cars seem slower than 707s. Motor sound wise, too quiet for my liking but more better and audiable than an aventra for sure. Aventrys sound shit. I'd like if they were as audiable as CAFs. But oh Wells . I preffer the colourful livery of southeastern and SWR
I'm gonna guess the extra AC packages the 707s lack help it a little bit
@@FarmYardGaming maybe. Also lack of toiletries too.
I was looking at all the carriage data and the 707s lightest inner carriages are all 28ish tons. Class 700s ptosl carriage is like 33 tons. Plus the toiletries may add a ton or two.
So it may well be 5 to 6 tons lighter with the same power output. It also may just be entirely a quirk that when powering the 5 car variations. The power to weight ratio is slightly more odd. So seimens went into it with a mindset of "we wanna give enough power to the trains" and so you have a slightly more powered up unit for third rail.
Who knows really. Im a believer that light weight units such as desirp cities on third rail should at least be hitting below 55 seconds to 60mph in this modern age. This means theyll hit max speed much better.
I prefer the AC sound.
bisexual😭😭
Epic stuff. As Southeastern is to have the 30 Class 707s as some have already been cascaded to Southeastern. Siemens could continue on producing more Desiro City dual voltage & DC EMU trains to operate on GTR Southern and to replace the Class 455 & Class 313.
Provided they had better seats and toilets, I would be totally fine with them having a new fleet of 717s run on the West/East Coastway.
Exactly. Class 7xx Desiro City for Southern.
@@Andrewjg_89 I Think It Should Be 717/1, With Increased Speed To 105MPH, And It Should Be 7 Cars.
Yay I've been waiting for this one
Alot have, unfortunatley :D
Simply brilliant!!! :)
Why thank you and wow, I haven't seen your name in a while. Hope you're doing well!
@@MaverickHunterDaniel Not been very active as I'm now out of work so can't afford to get about much. Other than that, I'm well thank you. I will put out a few vids at my local station when I can but it gets boring just filming those awful units lol :)
Ah, well good to hear from you again! Wishing you best for the future.
How the FU@&ING could u dis my boy Geoff Marshall?
Maybe rewatch and listen to what I said in video.
Sorry, my bad, I'm just a big fan of Geoff.
MHD You've done it again! keep up the great work!
Many thanks :)
Pls do an electrostar/turbostar style railway review to the class 185,350,360,380, 444 and 450 Siemens Desiros, I beg of you 🥺
Donate $599USD and I'll get to work tomorrow on it. :)
Bruh
Is this a joke?
@@Sebi1963 No. Tickets to scotland aren't free.
Is it wrong to say I like the look of the 717s?
yes little one, yes it is
Only if you never have to drive to a signal on the right hand side of the track.
Your finnaly back my guess is railway review to the over desiros
I've never heard of the "over" desiro. Are they a new variant built to go over the hills? ;)
I ment the othere desiros
Nope, never heard of the othere desiro either. Sorry.
I ment like class 350 and 360
Do the og desiro review
Make me a 3 course meal first. Law of equivalent exchange.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel sorry busy on a 444 between Surbiton and Waterloo
could you do the 442 🙃
I do enjoy this series, keeps me entertained whilst my laptop is acting like a class 180
I'm happy you enjoy these videos but I don't take requests.
Iron board express as I call them
Good one.
oh cool a new funny
i have a question. how are you able to look inside the train cabs? do you just. ask the driver politely when the train terminates? or something?
That was when I was working for SWR some years ago. The Class 86, 455, 458 and 707 are the only trains I've been in the cab of in recent times. The 86 was an outlier before you ask, just happened to bump into Les Ross' loco one day lol
@@MaverickHunterDaniel ah, fair enough