Yes, not enough. The American is subdued into comfomity by debt and distraction of some sort. The Zionist controllers know this, as they are the gatekeepers of the minds of the masses. The masses just don't know it.
My impression is that there are large numbers of, mainly younger, US citizens objecting to the genocide. Looking at the crowds of students, despite, being brutally suppressed by the police, protesting the genocide is increasing my faith in humanity.
What a contrast between listening to Gabor relate his inner feelings about this horrible situation, and listening to that Orange haired smuck Trump bragging about all of his achievements as president. Gabor hits the nail on the head when he says that most Americans are hypnotised by trivia and allowed to remain ignorant on the important issues.
Of course these two men would be friends and colleagues. Both are the kind of men we need in this world to restore our faith in humanity. Love to you both. 💜
Why is it extraodinary to feel compassion for what we see in Gaza,anyone with a heart and some level of empathy feels utter horror and shock.there is nothing extraordinary about it,you would have to have a heart of stone to not feel it.We are watching a live streamed genocide..
I have been watching the scenes from Gaza for over a year daily. I feel anger, helplessness, intense love for the Palestinians I have made distance contact with. I don't know what to do with this anger towards the zionists and the horrible settlers. At the same time I mourn the loss of those in Gaza who are trying to help, feed the starving the women and children. I am a retired RN with most of my life spent in a trauma unit,but this is beyond my comprehension, the things I have seen. If not 71 and no license, I wish I could go there to help, but then there are blockades of medical supplies. I feel like it has affected both my mental health and physical health. I am angry at the silence of the complicit country I live in. I wish I had dual citizenship.
You might like this poem I wrote I took am 71 and in frustrated turmoil... Holding on to our Humanity We dare not stay angry too long though the flames of injustice burn our souls , there is already too much anger too many flames, anger can turn to rage fuelling yet more destruction We cannot stay calm measured for too long in case we shut down and join the shuttered people keeping their distance We cannot hold our compassion for too long before we become overwhelmed paralyzed by fear as too many of us are We cannot cry and grieve for too long before heartbreak and despair flood us and we drown with too many others.. How do we stay human in the face of the end of justice the end of reason the exhaustion of compassion the tsunami of grief ? I do not know In the beginning I had hoped my anger might be part of a wildfire of justice that would spread around the world taking all the oxygen away from the bombs that rain down on Gaza. But that didn't happen Later I hoped our calm measured factual data might outweigh the lies the propaganda I believed if enough of us really knew, the slaughter would have to end . But they killed and sacked the journalists , gagged the truth and the Western powers looked on I was sure our compassion for children for mothers for doctors would swell so large it would displace the warlords . But Palestinians , I learned are not children mothers doctors ;they are acceptable collateral damage in the power narrative I imagined our united tears might flood the world extinguishing the fire the bombs , a gentle tide raising the Palestinian people to safety . But there were not enough tears in high places So I move from one state to the other, my humanity shift work I cannot stay too long in any one of these . all are real all are valid Our morality our sharing our empathy our grief our trust are now as homeless as the Palestinians. We who are still alive ,well and caring must each find our own ways of returning to the struggle ,continue to move to shift any and every way we can to keep holding and sharing the truth The killing of the Palestinian people is wrong This is not in our name We hold onto this understanding as if all our lives depend upon it As if our humanity itself depends upon it Because it does (Susie Sanchez do share)
I cried everyday for a year now, I feel lost, not knowing what to do I am almost half a century old now and I feel bad when I cry, I dont want to steal there suffering but somehow its good to know I am not alone perhaps there is stil hope, although I cant see it right now amen brother
I feel U, I hear U. I feel lost and helpless. Our profession is about helping people stay alive and healthy. I feel for my sisters and brothers in Gaza who’s trying their best to aid people; they’re murdered for doing their job.
“I feel deeply traumatized as well. This situation has affected every moment of my life, including my sleep. I feel helpless and depressed because I can’t do anything to stop Israel’s genocide in Gaza. I am utterly disappointed in international organizations. Moral injury is real, and many of us are suffering from it. But what must Palestinians feel, even if this genocide were to stop? Their wounds-emotional, physical, and generational-are unimaginable.”
The Myth Of Normal should be mandatory reading for all people. Such an important text on how humans function and how dysfunction is a result of a dysfunctional society
Thank you so much for this program today with Gabor Mate’ !! I needed this today!! I am currently volunteering to help the Palestinians get their stories out and helping promote their fundraising campaigns. The campaigns are the only way they can survive for food, clothing, shelter, and trying to save enough money to escape to Egypt. I’m exhausted and am watching this while eating my lunch … lifesaver for me right now! Btw, I have both of Gabor’s books! Love him! And thank you, Chris Hedges fit all your work! Both of you men are lights 🕯️🕯️ in these dark times!
@@den264 Thank you. But it’s really the least I can do. Their stories are haunting me, so heartbreaking. I don’t have money to donate, but I have skills in communication (English degree) and online marketing (previous work experience). I vet each campaign carefully so I’m in direct communication with them and it’s so 😭 heartbreaking. 💔
I only have one person to share this with BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE I KNOW EVEN CARES ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING!!!!! Just that alone is horrifying, alienating and traumatic. ❤❤
I sent it to one person only as well and felt so sad about it. I know what you mean. Just wanted to share that we are not alone in this experience of feeling a small number.
Same hear. The Western and Z*oni$t propaganda is so historically pervasive that the glaring facts are either ignored or gazingly glossed over . Also lost a friend over this resistance to face the obvious facts ...
Many people in Gaza are putting out short videos showing the reality of living there now. A little child screaming in fright at the horrible buzzing of the drone that are always there. Small children out in the streets alone trying to sell bits of food so they can get money for their families to live another day. Children crying in their tents when the rain comes through and the floor of their tent becomes a muddy swamp. I repost them every day on my Facebook but nobody ever comments. I get the feeling they've turned me off so they don't have to look at the horror. There are some hopeful scenes, too, of some children getting warm new clothes and shoes that have been donated, and the guys and women who cook outdoors every day to provide nutritious foods to the starving children. This is the worst thing I've seen in my 76 years.
Meta censors this content. It's very well documented. Al Jazeera English published a great review of the documentation. I hope this information helps you feel less alone.
The Indigenous nations of Australia have been through all of this trauma. The indigenous people, of Australia, continue to be subjected to trauma, and the world seems unaware of the depravity in which Australia operates, while striding the world as a loved people and respected, 'democracy'.
Just a note of support, from the US. I was taught about the stolen generation, in AU, when I was in high school. We also learned about the Australian equivalent of reservations, and the restrictions on indigenous people and businesses. I know it's a small consolation, but I hope it's some comfort to know that we do learn about some of these crimes.
You are right, thank you for bringing it up here. I'm not sure where you're speaking from, but I was born and brought up in Tasmania, some of my forebears were first settlers - in reality first invaders. It took me many years to see through the myths of settler-colonialism; I'm sorry it took so long. My disgust and sadness at what my people have done has only grown over time. It was one reason I 'unsettled' myself from Australia and went to the UK. Once you understand what settler colonialism is you begin to see how Israel can treat the Palestinians as they do and why certain other nations support Israel in the face of this barbarity. Best wishes and respect for telling the truth about Australia.
Thank you to two of the wisest men of integrity, courage and compassion on earth…. Thank goodness the obscenity of current human culture is being seen clearly, now we must change it!
Absolutely 💯🤤😧😡😵😩😱 trauma. It is unfathomable for the children, and all the people that live it as well, and love them. Thank you Gabor and Chris. This must STOP and be brought to the forefront. The healing will take generations at the micro and macro levels.
OMG....Dr. Mate helped me to come to terms with my sadness, disgust, helplessness and more....a beautiful report from Chris Hedges....2 beautiful people with beautiful souls. I will sleep better tonight knowing that what I am feeling is normal....that others are feeling the same way....such enlightenment! Thank you to Chris and Dr. Mate....you are both blessed!
Yes!! Thank you for having one of my favorite teachers on! From a 30 year heroin addict who spent half his adult life in prison and years of homelessness I understand trauma. Gabor has helped me tremendously to heal and break the cycle of addiction and trauma. Thank you..
Best listen. Gabor and his sons are doing God's work of loving kindness in creative and genuine ways. Bless them and the family women who no doubt shape with love.
myself the feeling of utter helplessness produces within me a silent rage that I fight to keep within knowing most people will not want to discuss these events let alone attempt any action I feel as though my sanity is in danger of collapse
Yes. If it weren't for programs like this I'd feel even more alienated... I have no one to talk with either. ❤. There are MANY of us in the same situation, though!!!!
Believe me I can relate. Only last night I prayed or addressed the universe - since the god in the OT apparently supports this stuff and Evangelicals think god is helping them to get rid of the enemy - asking for some kind of sanity, karma, universal justice or anything. Instead all we see day after day is that the genocide forces seem to be winning again and again. Well I did not get an answer since those two distinguished gentlemen don't have one either, nor many other humanitarians, helpers, doctors etc.
Just know you are not alone 😔💝 there are so many of us feeling same😩 💔 it would be so wonderful if there was a group support that we could all connect to online to feel less isolated and be able to support each other. 🙏💔😭🇵🇸💔😭#humanity
Yes a group support would certainly ease our pain and sorrow. I have stopped being happy. I live, but not live a life of peace within, or live a life of joy. It’s a constant sense of shame and guilt because it’s my tax money going towards this genocide. It’s a deep sense of guilt along with frustration that I am not able to do anything except give as much donation as I can to ease their suffering. As much as my faith tells me to bear this burden, I am filled with anger and hatred towards the perpetrators of this cruelty. I know this is not going to end because their agenda is not anywhere close to completion. My life is close to being over. I worry for my children and later generations as to what kind of life will be for them to live.
Thank you, gentlemen, for helping us keep our sanity and humanity! Israel is part of this Western world that has not stopped its genocidal impulses despite the commitment it undertook after WW2.
There's no way to create more hate in the world than to continue to oppress and harm. THIS isn't creating a safe place for anyone! Thank you both so much for all you continue to do for humanity 💖
It's ironic. Those of us who feel the most pain are the most bitter. I'm speaking about myself... I'm 74 and have simply seen too much to excuse others willful ignorance or inhumanity. Thank you, Gabor, for telling us about your reaction at the Passover dinner. ❤
I deeply admire and respect both of you for your unwavering commitment to seeking the truth (fighting for human rights), and your perseverance through years of hardship and challenges you both endured.🙏❤️🙏
Thank you Chris for this important discussion, I would take this discussion a bit deeper to say, the impact is devasting across the world, beyond the actual horror the Palestinian themselves are experiencing. We are all being tramatized by being fed these atrocities in live time 24/7. All of us are being tramatized, all of us are being subjected to this horror in a manner that leaves one feeling hopeless, overpowered and reduced to witnessing something which is immoral. When genocide, mass destruction of community and the slaughter of innocent children, babies, the old and the infirmed are legitimized. This is heartless and immoral. Thank you platforming this issue. Blessings.
How I wish I could rescue all of these children :( We can't even imagine what they are enduring. It's horrific to be so powerless to save them - a minute fraction of what they face.
I wont make it through this without crying. ive dreamed of being able to help the Gaza's in any way I can when the genocide ends. .....but it still goes on......and the u.s. funds it.
Your not alone dear wven though it probably feels like it at times! I know my family is tired of me ranting, and carrying on...its just so frustrating this inability to do ANYTHING to help stop this livestreamed genocide 🥺
@@crowkangi I felt the same way but I finally figured out I could help them fundraise for money to survive and to escape. But that’s my experience area. Online work… I’m retired now and everything I do is voluntary work… but maybe if you explore more or think more about it you might be able to find your own way of helping… The Palestinians right now are starving but many of them have told me that they are surviving off of only the last strings of hope and that the reshares , kind words of encouragement from others in my posts comments sections, as well as the donations, but the words they keep telling me are what is giving them hope. That we don’t give up on them. That we don’t look away. 💔
I feel you, this is a feeling that millions of us who are for justice have. Our only hope is these millions and millions who are out in streets and wanting free Palestine. No to apartheid, no to Occupation, no to genocide.
I cannot thank you enough Chris and Gabor for that most insightful and stimulating discussion. The contribution that you both make to peace and humanity in Occupied Palestine and to humanity in general, is enormous. The combined level of wisdom and knowledge that you both clearly exhibit is truly awe-inspiring.
I feel that I've just been dredged up out of a deep black despair by Gabor. Thank you both for your wisdom and calm, while at the same time never turning away.
I am grateful for these two men. Gabor Maté has helped me so much through these last 14 months. It is extraordinary how he is able to reduce my stress level through speaking. And Chris Hedges is always informative AND compassionate. Thank you so much.
I cry constantly. I dont think we are built to withstand genocide, we are only built to resist it. And thus feeling so disempowered, watching children being blown apart, is often too much to bear. And there is no Abraham Lincoln Brigade to join this time. We simply have to look as the horror grinds on.
If you want to learn about compassion, listen to this interview. I couldn't stop tears from rolling down my cheeks. Thank you very much for this contribution to humanity.
Thank you so much, the two of you are literally the two people who I need to hear from in this moment, I'm broken and lost and alone and surrounded by people who taught me never again only to actually do it again to another group of human beings and I literally do not know how to move forward on this earth with this tension and dissonance in all my relationships, how can I trust anyone I know ever again with anything?? Thank you. Will be watching this and probably making it my alarm clock and sleep music. Straight into my veins. תודה רבה ממש תודה אינסופית לגבור הגיבור
Yes! It's pretty horrifying so few of us care enough to even find out what's happening. Because of this, I don't have one real friend to process it with. ❤
Keep going. Your humanity is proof of the truth of all humans being God's children. Don't believe the mainstream narrative and seek other people that are like you. If you are in Israel it must be incredibly hard to exist there. I say this as a Muslim that struggles with the apathy of the Muslim countries that turn a blind eye to the evil being perpetrated against the Palestinians. I want to scream at the leaders in rage to overcome my own inadequacies and helplessness.
Thank you for having and sharing this conversation. Not only did I find it very valuable and thought-provoking, but I also found it very healing. Stay blessed this holiday season.
Condemning Hamas for Oct 7th is like condemning the Jews for committing the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. The only solution is a 1 state solution: A free Palestine.
The world couldn't stop Hitler... and now, despite all the lessons learned and "never again", the world can't stop Netanyahu. What a waste WW-II was.... and WW-III is / will be.
Such an excellent talk - I do wish this was on mainstream media - it is discussions like this that all Americans and people of the world need to listen to. Thank you
i think everybody here who watches what has been going on in Gaza is feeling what Gabor described as " Moral Injury (7:00): seeing something terrible happen and you feel helpless in the face of it." I'll try to mention that to my Kongressman today at a rare town hall. I'm thankful as a Gulf war vet that all my time was spent aboard ship or in the States. Thank you Chris (ed: and Gabor), for existing. I will squeek against that avalanche today!
Thanks so much for having Gabor on. It's a painful subject and even though I am not in direct contact with him or Chris it helps me to deal with my own symptoms of past trauma and the painful reactions I am having watching this past year and more regarding Gaza and all of the other wars and atrocities our government backs in this world..
Brave guys, boths of you. I grew up in Argentina during 70 s GENOCIDE.... we are watching GAZA and the horrors that our army hide while they were killing 30.000 people during the nights are returning to our minds. We just know all because of trials. And they are in jail 45 years after their crimes...even they never killed kids. Hugs to both from Southamerica.
Much gratitude, Chris Hedges, for this profoundly healing and necessary interview with Dr Gabor Mate. So many of us are feeling the emotions of helplessness and grief as we witness online this unearthly nightmare: yes, we must take care of ourselves and one another; find our community - not always easy but necessary. Thankyou, both of you.
I am a daughter of the Holocaust survivors. And if it was up to my mum, in 1946, when she found out how did her entire family die , there wouldn't be a German over the age of 5 left alive. How can I blame the Palestinians for feeling the same?
I don’t blame them because I feel that way too, and USrAel did nothing to me except force me to witness their crimes. I know this is dehumanisation. It’s ugly 🤷
Most of the Palestinian people don't feel that they just want to be treated with the same respect for their lives their well being and their right to self determination
@@althaeacorn I was thinking specifically about people in Gaza and how they must feel right now. Before the current slaughter I read a human interest story about two young women, one a Palestinian citizen of Israel and the second, an Israeli activist in the movement against Netanyahu who struck a friendship in Jerusalem. And one of the things which struck me was how understanding was not only the Palestinian girl, but her entire family of the Israeli girl who was coming to terms with her whole viewpoint about her country being upended by events, how accepting they were of her . The father of the family said " we have lived in peace with Jews for centuries, and if by miracle, all Israelis started to behave like you, Miri, we would live in peace again". I am very aware that the hostages returned during the brief ceasefire in November last year were well treated by their captors, I am just concerned that over a year of genocide and worsening situation in the West Bank must generate hatred. It's impossible to feel compassion for people who are doing their worst to kill you
I've had no one to speak to about this Genocide as Americans are shut off/shut down, unaware because they're so busy working trying to make a living. Most quit watching all the news PRIOR to Oct 7, 23 because they cannot endure the negativity. Even for those who were watching major network news, they're not being made aware of what's going on. I found this discussion to be very helpful to my emotional state. Thank you both. Those of us who know feel very isolated.
On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians. Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1 According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1 When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1 From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower. The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. The reported ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians Active duty military personnel: 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%" -Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well' -Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband' Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023: 2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349. 2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191. 2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227. Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel. Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc civilian deaths on the other side - 2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9 2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26 They are following scripture, the word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses: “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” -Psalm 137:9 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”-1 Samuel 15:3 “Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.”-Jeremiah 6:11 “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”-Hosea 13:16 The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers: “in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.” Another account by a chronicler and eyewitness-priest, Albert of Aachen, describes the killing of fleeing women, and depicts crusaders as:: “seizing [infants who were still suckling] by the soles of their feet from their mothers’ laps or their cradles…and dashing them against the walls or lintels of the doors and breaking their necks […] they were sparing absolutely no gentile of any age or kind.”The incoherence inherent in a stranger to Abraham calling the children of Abraham gentiles notwithstanding, this account evokes the very same Psalm 137:9 imprecation against Babylon, in Latin, “beatus qui tenebit et adlidet parvulos tuos ad petram.” This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished. This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah): "includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit." This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah's Messenger said: "Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal, commit treachery, mutilate, or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship." It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children." بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دعوة "To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause" -Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya More hadith from Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah: حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ شَيْخٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَوْلَى لِبَنِي عَبْدِ الْأَشْهَلِ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ إِذَا بَعَثَ جُيُوشَهُ قَالَ: «§لَا تَقْتُلُوا أَصْحَابَ الصَّوَامِعِ» "Do not kill the dwellers of monasteries" حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ جُوَيْبِرٍ، عَنِ الضَّحَّاكِ قَالَ: كَانَ «§يُنْهَى عَنْ قَتْلِ الْمَرْأَةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ» سَعْدٍ قَالَ: «§نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَتْلِ النِّسَاءِ وَالذُّرِّيَّةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ الَّذِي لَا حَرَاكَ بِهِ» "The prophet forbids the killing of women, children, and the elderly" This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal Ayah 61 in which even oath breaking deniers/unbelievers are allowed to sue for peace states if the unbelievers they ask for peace, give it to them. Stephen Langton, the writer of the Magna Carta (12th century, contemporary with the crusades for a reason) studied in the university of Paris which archives show had plenty of Arabic treatises in its procession, there can be no question about it being inspired by the "Sharia". both the renessiance and the european enlightenment were directly preceded by massive translation movements form Arabic (see the Republic of Letters by Alexander Bevilacqua, The House of Wisdom: How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization By: Jonathan Lyons. The modifiable testament testament commands indiscriminate killing, genocide, plunder, mutilation, enslavement, or torture of enemies, including women, on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context. God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.
Thank you Chris and Gabor. You are two pillars of my support group. Most others publish on Substack along with The Grayzone, The Electronic Intifada and Middle East Eye. Reading and listening to these people and the comments of their supporters makes me realize I'm not alone and gives me some hope.
I waited a few days until it was quiet. I sensed quiet would be necessary. I could listen to you both speak with each other for hours. this one is a gift, a gift to everyone. I’m kind of weepy now and not articulate, the beauty and pain of this conversation. Thank you both
As a Nishnabe (Native American), all my life people have told me they were sorry about what happened to my people or that “if they lived back then, they wouldn’t have supported it” After Oct, I can tell you… they most assuredly would’ve supported it because they’re supporting it now by making excuses for Isræl. Making excuses for WHY tens of THOUSANDS of children have to die. Why collective punishment is okay in this case.
I feel such constant anger at genocidal Zionists in Israel and my despicable government (the USA): I wish I was able to channel this into useful activity. I am suicidal and despairing about the horrors of What is going on in our beautiful world and terrified for my young grandchildren’s future. I am a retired nurse Who always believed in cherishing the small good things in life but l have lost this capacity. I really was happy to listen to your conversation and wish I could feel better but I am still stuck in fury ( you are so right about the trauma anyone with a shred of humanity is suffering..
Such a pleasure to listen to sane people speak about the why's and consequences of allowing a 21st century genocide to endure while thousands of Palestinians are being slaughtered in Gaza. What drives IDF soldiers to take glee in humiliating parents in front of their children, or shooting an old woman carrying a white flag, or firing over 300 bullets into a car containing a Palestinian family, knowing that those victims are not resistence soldiers, or a threat to them. It is often said "the world" has abandoned the Palestinians, but I know differently, as I've watched countless videos of anti-genocide protesters around the world risking jobs, careers, school studies, and their lives to bring the genocide to the attention of evenyone. But there is a cadre of politicians, media outlets, academics and the like who refuse to show or speak about the slow death of a whole civilization in Palestine, and wondered how can they be so callous and hardhearted. Dr Mate´and Mr Hedges opined about the reasons, and are hard to come up with an answer. But one thing Dr Mate´said stuck out for me "good people don't get it", get the fact that in turning a blind eye to the massacres taking place in Gaza actually makes them complicit. There are many people who "don't get it" because their corporate media outlets don't report the truth, report that genocide is genocide, the debasement and extermination of people. But for most people in the western countries they can get the information, either through media outlets like Al Jazeera or through social networks. I'm a Canadian expat who goes back to Canada once a year to see family and friends, all people I consider intellegent and au courant about what is happening in the world. I even took part in a Free Palestine march in Montreal before meeting some of my family days later. Imagine my shock when all of them, at different times, got aggressive with me, accusing me of being pro-Hamas, and that Hamas had beheaded 40 Israeli babies and cooked some in overs; when trying to reason with one of them, he, a normally calm and informed person, started shouting at me. With another close family member, he said "why do you care, and what have you done for the Palestinians?" When I said I tweet daily about the barbarity of the IDF soldiers and had attended a Free Palestine march, nothing more was said. I'm sure Dr Mate´would be able to give me answers to what I have experienced, even from my own family, but perhaps the simple answer isn't that they don't receive any information from the media about the genocide, but perhaps it's that they don't care about about Arabs, and what is going on in that part of the world, or they have for years swallowed the pro-Israel kool aid too long. I despair for the Palestinians in all of Palestine, as the recent fall of the Syria has enabled the Israelis to intensify their barbarity, as the world looks in another direction. In closing, I want to thank Dr Mate´and Chris Hedges for shedding more important light on the how's and why's humans act as they do.
10 years ago I watched the 10 min. or so documentary 'The children who live under Israel's missiles' by Dan Cohen about the Bakr family who's five children were bombed while playing soccer on the beach in Gaza. What surviving 10 year old Muntasir Bakr says to the camera at the around 4 minute mark says it all. He did want to be a fisherman like his father, but not anymore Tel Aviv. Nobody was sentenced, no reparations paid (although it wouldn't have brought the slaughtered children back) A supreme form of impunity was already in place then it still is. There are too many documented and undocumented stories but the scale of traumatizing we see now in Gaza is unprecedented. We all get co-traumatized seeing this mechanism play out now in it's full demonic glory. I pity them so much, what the hell did they and us do to deserve this.
Thank you, as a fellow protester of genocide and war, I so appreciate this discussion, the shared feelings of frustration, ineptness, sadness and horror.
saw the title a few times but couldn't bring myself to listen bec i knew it would just devastating for me to hear..at this point, i really dont know when the reckoning will be. "i have no idea what the conciousness of Kissinger would be.." well said, Dr Gabor
I can't thank you both enough for this interview. So many of us across the world are paralysed by Israeli atrocities committed against Palestinians. We don't know what to do with sadness and helplessness, you have reminded us of how to cope and keep fighting for the safety, security and stability for the people of Gaza.
What a marvelous discussion. To paraphrase the opening lines of Charles Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities, Jews are the best of people, and the worst of people. Gaber Mate is one of the best kind.
This is my third and final comment!! I am just so moved by this conversation! I feel like hiding from humanity at the moment and just crying. Maybe im not the only one experiencing this type of response. Something Chris said toward the end, was the idea that we need to recognise the potential for evil inside, which is what helps us, ultimately, to counteract that evil. Maybe the "human project" is simultaneously a "Divine project" and this dual experience of dark and light has to be set in the "record" for the same type of reasoning on a macro level. Lest we forget!
My savage mistreatment as an infant caused me to retreat into a lifetime of unfelt fear. That doesn’t matter. My real wound is being disconnected from myself. Because connection with myself and connection with other people is the same thing. The humans who battered me did not know who they are. They went thru the normal childhood process of being raised by work objects adults. ALL of us have endured being separated from our own goodness. It’s called childhood in a feudal system of coerced competition.
I can relate. I grew up in a verbally abusive home and became a mute and deeply traumatised by this daily injury from which I couldn't protect myself at all. I also was paralysed by fear to fight back and retreated from life altogether by crippling depression and anxiety. I honestly only in my 40s am now starting to heal. But my life has been lost to fear of more people that want to hurt me(in my mind as a trauma response).
Understanding the consequences of my abuse is counterintuitive. I have a half century of savage self violence. As I look inside of me all I see is unfelt hurt and a chronic seeking for attention. My bad behaviour contains no negative motivations, I simply do what was done to me. In my life there is no THEM. All I see is people being ridden hard by our unfelt grief from childhood. Rich and poor, we all absorb our parents separation from self love. Our culture installs Toxic Disconnection. Our humanness is fully intact behind unfelt feelings of overwhelming grief.
Massive respect for these two relentless truth tellers.
Wow, it's so good to hear men of integrity talk about such an important issue.
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i see you missed my point good sir
@@anthonyrussano do you think these 2 gentlemen lack integrity?
to bad most people would rather watch sports
Gabor Mate is a treasure... thank you Mr. Hedges for this interview.
I wish more Americans would listen to this. The truth is that most Americans are desensitized to what is happening to the Palestinians.
Yes, not enough.
The American is subdued into comfomity by debt and distraction of some sort. The Zionist controllers know this, as they are the gatekeepers of the minds of the masses. The masses just don't know it.
They are too busy watching tik tok to care
I wish all the leaders in the world who do not condemn and support what Israel is doing would listen to this.
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My impression is that there are large numbers of, mainly younger, US citizens objecting to the genocide. Looking at the crowds of students, despite, being brutally suppressed by the police, protesting the genocide is increasing my faith in humanity.
There’s something ever so special about Gabor.
The level of emotion felt in just the first few minutes of hearing him speak
What a contrast between listening to Gabor relate his inner feelings about this horrible situation, and listening to that Orange haired smuck Trump bragging about all of his achievements as president. Gabor hits the nail on the head when he says that most Americans are hypnotised by trivia and allowed to remain ignorant on the important issues.
To me, it's a profound empathy for suffering.
it's called a game, we all play it, this is his... i kind of like it but still... it's just a game..😉
@@noname-hb8vk Gabor is a jew, therefor an imposter.
@@noname-hb8vk What a ridiculous comment. Did it come through a few drams of whiskey?
Of course these two men would be friends and colleagues. Both are the kind of men we need in this world to restore our faith in humanity. Love to you both. 💜
Dr Mate, what an extraordinary and compassionate man.
We all should be this caring & compassionate, about others in harms way! Psalms 1 & 91.
Why is it extraodinary to feel compassion for what we see in Gaza,anyone with a heart and some level of empathy feels utter horror and shock.there is nothing extraordinary about it,you would have to have a heart of stone to not feel it.We are watching a live streamed genocide..
I have been watching the scenes from Gaza for over a year daily. I feel anger, helplessness, intense love for the Palestinians I have made distance contact with. I don't know what to do with this anger towards the zionists and the horrible settlers. At the same time I mourn the loss of those in Gaza who are trying to help, feed the starving the women and children. I am a retired RN with most of my life spent in a trauma unit,but this is beyond my comprehension, the things I have seen. If not 71 and no license, I wish I could go there to help, but then there are blockades of medical supplies. I feel like it has affected both my mental health and physical health. I am angry at the silence of the complicit country I live in. I wish I had dual citizenship.
You might like this poem I wrote I took am 71 and in frustrated turmoil...
Holding on to our Humanity
We dare not stay angry too long though the flames of injustice burn our souls , there is already too much anger too many flames, anger can turn to rage fuelling yet more destruction
We cannot stay calm measured for too long in case we shut down and join the shuttered people keeping their distance
We cannot hold our compassion for too long before we become overwhelmed paralyzed by fear as too many of us are
We cannot cry and grieve for too long before heartbreak and despair flood us and we drown with too many others..
How do we stay human in the face of the end of justice the end of reason the exhaustion of compassion the tsunami of grief ?
I do not know
In the beginning I had hoped my anger might be part of a wildfire of justice that would spread around the world taking all the oxygen away from the bombs that rain down on Gaza.
But that didn't happen
Later I hoped our calm measured factual data might outweigh the lies the propaganda I believed if enough of us really knew, the slaughter would have to end .
But they killed and sacked the journalists , gagged the truth and the Western powers looked on
I was sure our compassion for children for mothers for doctors would swell so large it would displace the warlords .
But Palestinians , I learned are not children mothers doctors ;they are acceptable collateral damage in the power narrative
I imagined our united tears might flood the world extinguishing the fire the bombs , a gentle tide raising the Palestinian people to safety .
But there were not enough tears in high places
So I move from one state to the other, my humanity shift work I cannot stay too long in any one of these .
all are real
all are valid
Our morality our sharing our empathy our grief our trust are now as homeless as the Palestinians.
We who are still alive ,well and caring must each find our own ways of returning to the struggle ,continue to move to shift any and every way we can to keep holding and sharing the truth
The killing of the Palestinian people is wrong
This is not in our name
We hold onto this understanding as if all our lives depend upon it
As if our humanity itself depends upon it
Because it does
(Susie Sanchez do share)
I feel the same
I cried everyday for a year now, I feel lost, not knowing what to do
I am almost half a century old now and I feel bad when I cry, I dont want to steal there suffering
but somehow its good to know I am not alone
perhaps there is stil hope, although I cant see it right now
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I feel U, I hear U. I feel lost and helpless. Our profession is about helping people stay alive and healthy. I feel for my sisters and brothers in Gaza who’s trying their best to aid people; they’re murdered for doing their job.
I feel the same
“I feel deeply traumatized as well. This situation has affected every moment of my life, including my sleep. I feel helpless and depressed because I can’t do anything to stop Israel’s genocide in Gaza. I am utterly disappointed in international organizations. Moral injury is real, and many of us are suffering from it.
But what must Palestinians feel, even if this genocide were to stop? Their wounds-emotional, physical, and generational-are unimaginable.”
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It really is unimaginable. Only God can heal their wounds.
Thank you two. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
The Myth Of Normal should be mandatory reading for all people. Such an important text on how humans function and how dysfunction is a result of a dysfunctional society
People line up for the convenient lie, but very few are in line for the inconvenient truth.
Thank you so much for this program today with Gabor Mate’ !! I needed this today!! I am currently volunteering to help the Palestinians get their stories out and helping promote their fundraising campaigns. The campaigns are the only way they can survive for food, clothing, shelter, and trying to save enough money to escape to Egypt. I’m exhausted and am watching this while eating my lunch … lifesaver for me right now! Btw, I have both of Gabor’s books! Love him! And thank you, Chris Hedges fit all your work! Both of you men are lights 🕯️🕯️ in these dark times!
You are a saint ! Take care of yourself and good luck with your mission !
@@den264 Thank you. But it’s really the least I can do. Their stories are haunting me, so heartbreaking. I don’t have money to donate, but I have skills in communication (English degree) and online marketing (previous work experience). I vet each campaign carefully so I’m in direct communication with them and it’s so 😭 heartbreaking. 💔
Can you & I collaborate?
Thank you for your work!
God bless your work. Atlesst you could help.
Gabor is a treasure. Thank you Chris
I only have one person to share this with BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE I KNOW EVEN CARES ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING!!!!!
Just that alone is horrifying, alienating and traumatic. ❤❤
I wear a tee shirt over my coat with the Palestinian flag & the word Palestine. You can't talk to people about this. They have to find out.
Sorry to say - same here. It’s oppressive!
@@richardkehoe2294 And an immense amount of comments here are being censored so we can't even talk among ourselves!
I sent it to one person only as well and felt so sad about it. I know what you mean. Just wanted to share that we are not alone in this experience of feeling a small number.
Same hear. The Western and Z*oni$t propaganda is so historically pervasive that the glaring facts are either ignored or gazingly glossed over . Also lost a friend over this resistance to face the obvious facts ...
Many people in Gaza are putting out short videos showing the reality of living there now. A little child screaming in fright at the horrible buzzing of the drone that are always there. Small children out in the streets alone trying to sell bits of food so they can get money for their families to live another day. Children crying in their tents when the rain comes through and the floor of their tent becomes a muddy swamp. I repost them every day on my Facebook but nobody ever comments. I get the feeling they've turned me off so they don't have to look at the horror. There are some hopeful scenes, too, of some children getting warm new clothes and shoes that have been donated, and the guys and women who cook outdoors every day to provide nutritious foods to the starving children. This is the worst thing I've seen in my 76 years.
Meta censors this content. It's very well documented. Al Jazeera English published a great review of the documentation. I hope this information helps you feel less alone.
The Indigenous nations of Australia have been through all of this trauma. The indigenous people, of Australia, continue to be subjected to trauma, and the world seems unaware of the depravity in which Australia operates, while striding the world as a loved people and respected, 'democracy'.
@RoyWearty - You are right, of course. Greed and a sense of omnipotence and desire for control are the cancer of humanity.
Just a note of support, from the US. I was taught about the stolen generation, in AU, when I was in high school. We also learned about the Australian equivalent of reservations, and the restrictions on indigenous people and businesses.
I know it's a small consolation, but I hope it's some comfort to know that we do learn about some of these crimes.
You are right, thank you for bringing it up here. I'm not sure where you're speaking from, but I was born and brought up in Tasmania, some of my forebears were first settlers - in reality first invaders. It took me many years to see through the myths of settler-colonialism; I'm sorry it took so long. My disgust and sadness at what my people have done has only grown over time. It was one reason I 'unsettled' myself from Australia and went to the UK. Once you understand what settler colonialism is you begin to see how Israel can treat the Palestinians as they do and why certain other nations support Israel in the face of this barbarity. Best wishes and respect for telling the truth about Australia.
Thank you to two of the wisest men of integrity, courage and compassion on earth…. Thank goodness the obscenity of current human culture is being seen clearly, now we must change it!
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Absolutely 💯🤤😧😡😵😩😱 trauma. It is unfathomable for the children, and all the people that live it as well, and love them. Thank you Gabor and Chris. This must STOP and be brought to the forefront. The healing will take generations at the micro and macro levels.
OMG....Dr. Mate helped me to come to terms with my sadness, disgust, helplessness and more....a beautiful report from Chris Hedges....2 beautiful people with beautiful souls. I will sleep better tonight knowing that what I am feeling is normal....that others are feeling the same way....such enlightenment! Thank you to Chris and Dr. Mate....you are both blessed!
Yes!! Thank you for having one of my favorite teachers on! From a 30 year heroin addict who spent half his adult life in prison and years of homelessness I understand trauma. Gabor has helped me tremendously to heal and break the cycle of addiction and trauma. Thank you..
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Best listen. Gabor and his sons are doing God's work of loving kindness in creative and genuine ways. Bless them and the family women who no doubt shape with love.
Is a god having a joke? Why let all this happen? Please do not tell me about choices.
myself the feeling of utter helplessness produces within me a silent rage that I fight to keep within knowing most people will not want to discuss these events let alone attempt any action I feel as though my sanity is in danger of collapse
Yes. If it weren't for programs like this I'd feel even more alienated... I have no one to talk with either. ❤. There are MANY of us in the same situation, though!!!!
Thank you for writing what you did here. I feel less alone having read it.
Believe me I can relate. Only last night I prayed or addressed the universe - since the god in the OT apparently supports this stuff and Evangelicals think god is helping them to get rid of the enemy - asking for some kind of sanity, karma, universal justice or anything. Instead all we see day after day is that the genocide forces seem to be winning again and again.
Well I did not get an answer since those two distinguished gentlemen don't have one either, nor many other humanitarians, helpers, doctors etc.
Just know you are not alone 😔💝 there are so many of us feeling same😩 💔 it would be so wonderful if there was a group support that we could all connect to online to feel less isolated and be able to support each other. 🙏💔😭🇵🇸💔😭#humanity
Yes a group support would certainly ease our pain and sorrow.
I have stopped being happy.
I live, but not live a life of peace within, or live a life of joy.
It’s a constant sense of shame and guilt because it’s my tax money going towards this genocide.
It’s a deep sense of guilt along with frustration that I am not able to do anything except give as much donation as I can to ease their suffering. As much as my faith tells me to bear this burden, I am filled with anger and hatred towards the perpetrators of this cruelty.
I know this is not going to end because their agenda is not anywhere close to completion.
My life is close to being over. I worry for my children and later generations as to what kind of life will be for them to live.
Love to you both. ❤
Love to the people, animals, habitat being destroyed by the Axis of Genocide. 😢
And thank you for speaking of the overlooked destruction of other living beings, Dear!!!! ❤
@kateoneal4215 We must note all life if we are to see The Big Picture. Thank you for your kind comment, Kate.
I love Chris Hedges.
My respect grows for Gabor Mate and his Honourable family day by day. ❤❤❤
Thank you, gentlemen, for helping us keep our sanity and humanity! Israel is part of this Western world that has not stopped its genocidal impulses despite the commitment it undertook after WW2.
Two of the GREAT people of our time.
Thanks Chris, for all your hard work , bringing us TRUTH ! 👍. Great guest !
It is so shockingly devastating that this is happening to human beings in this day and age. How can any of us not acknowledge this is genocide.
There's no way to create more hate in the world than to continue to oppress and harm. THIS isn't creating a safe place for anyone!
Thank you both so much for all you continue to do for humanity 💖
It's ironic. Those of us who feel the most pain are the most bitter. I'm speaking about myself... I'm 74 and have simply seen too much to excuse others willful ignorance or inhumanity.
Thank you, Gabor, for telling us about your reaction at the Passover dinner. ❤
Hang in there Kate, I feel the same! The holidays for me are the hardest because I refuse to participate in the hypocrisy, especially thankstaking!
@@roberthornack1692 same here!
@@DedeBellNBCTGood to hear. You are definitely one of those rare exceptions!
I deeply admire and respect both of you for your unwavering commitment to seeking the truth (fighting for human rights), and your perseverance through years of hardship and challenges you both endured.🙏❤️🙏
Thank you Chris for this important discussion, I would take this discussion a bit deeper to say, the impact is devasting across the world, beyond the actual horror the Palestinian themselves are experiencing.
We are all being tramatized by being fed these atrocities in live time 24/7.
All of us are being tramatized, all of us are being subjected to this horror in a manner that leaves one feeling hopeless, overpowered and reduced to witnessing something which is immoral.
When genocide, mass destruction of community and the slaughter of innocent children, babies, the old and the infirmed are legitimized.
This is heartless and immoral.
Thank you platforming this issue. Blessings.
How I wish I could rescue all of these children :( We can't even imagine what they are enduring. It's horrific to be so powerless to save them - a minute fraction of what they face.
I wont make it through this without crying. ive dreamed of being able to help the Gaza's in any way I can when the genocide ends. .....but it still goes on......and the u.s. funds it.
Your not alone dear wven though it probably feels like it at times! I know my family is tired of me ranting, and carrying on...its just so frustrating this inability to do ANYTHING to help stop this livestreamed genocide 🥺
@@crowkangi I felt the same way but I finally figured out I could help them fundraise for money to survive and to escape. But that’s my experience area. Online work… I’m retired now and everything I do is voluntary work… but maybe if you explore more or think more about it you might be able to find your own way of helping… The Palestinians right now are starving but many of them have told me that they are surviving off of only the last strings of hope and that the reshares , kind words of encouragement from others in my posts comments sections, as well as the donations, but the words they keep telling me are what is giving them hope. That we don’t give up on them. That we don’t look away. 💔
I feel you, this is a feeling that millions of us who are for justice have. Our only hope is these millions and millions who are out in streets and wanting free Palestine. No to apartheid, no to Occupation, no to genocide.
My mental health, personally, has spiraled
Mr.Gabor and Mr.Finkelstein and Mr.Gideon Levy ARE HEROES OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE...😪😪😪🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼💯💯💜💜💜
Why am I crying?? ....Thank you for mentioning Henry Kissinger and his crimes!!
Yea War Criminal on a grand scale: mentor of WEF Claus Schwab
I was waiting for this interview for a long time.
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I cannot thank you enough Chris and Gabor for that most insightful and stimulating discussion. The contribution that you both make to peace and humanity in Occupied Palestine and to humanity in general, is enormous. The combined level of wisdom and knowledge that you both clearly exhibit is truly awe-inspiring.
This is the conversation that should be going on mainstream media....we have become so desensitized itized...
I feel that I've just been dredged up out of a deep black despair by Gabor. Thank you both for your wisdom and calm, while at the same time never turning away.
I read the book. It is such an eye-opener. Thanks for this interview.
If the people of Palestine survive they will have a lot of trauma to live with.
I am grateful for these two men. Gabor Maté has helped me so much through these last 14 months. It is extraordinary how he is able to reduce my stress level through speaking. And Chris Hedges is always informative AND compassionate. Thank you so much.
I cry constantly. I dont think we are built to withstand genocide, we are only built to resist it. And thus feeling so disempowered, watching children being blown apart, is often too much to bear. And there is no Abraham Lincoln Brigade to join this time. We simply have to look as the horror grinds on.
Dr. Gabor Mate is a true treasure in this world.
If you want to learn about compassion, listen to this interview. I couldn't stop tears from rolling down my cheeks. Thank you very much for this contribution to humanity.
Thank you so much, the two of you are literally the two people who I need to hear from in this moment, I'm broken and lost and alone and surrounded by people who taught me never again only to actually do it again to another group of human beings and I literally do not know how to move forward on this earth with this tension and dissonance in all my relationships, how can I trust anyone I know ever again with anything??
Thank you. Will be watching this and probably making it my alarm clock and sleep music. Straight into my veins. תודה רבה ממש תודה אינסופית לגבור הגיבור
Yes! It's pretty horrifying so few of us care enough to even find out what's happening. Because of this, I don't have one real friend to process it with.
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Keep going. Your humanity is proof of the truth of all humans being God's children. Don't believe the mainstream narrative and seek other people that are like you. If you are in Israel it must be incredibly hard to exist there. I say this as a Muslim that struggles with the apathy of the Muslim countries that turn a blind eye to the evil being perpetrated against the Palestinians. I want to scream at the leaders in rage to overcome my own inadequacies and helplessness.
An incredibly important conversation - I am so grateful to you both
Pray for peace, love and understanding. Peace is the only way!
Thank you, two brave men telling the truth
This trauma will last for centuries, not for Palestinians and kids only.
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@jillallan8985 i think it was meant, not only for Palestinians and kids. All of us will suffer the trauma.
@@jillallan8985 maybe you spend a day in israeli jail as a Palestinian and you would know what I am talking about.
Thank you for having and sharing this conversation. Not only did I find it very valuable and thought-provoking, but I also found it very healing. Stay blessed this holiday season.
One of the most difficult to listen to discussions, but equally helpful if listened to carefully. Thank you both very much indeed.
Condemning Hamas for Oct 7th is like condemning the Jews for committing the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. The only solution is a 1 state solution: A free Palestine.
The world couldn't stop Hitler... and now, despite all the lessons learned and "never again", the world can't stop Netanyahu.
What a waste WW-II was.... and WW-III is / will be.
Such an excellent talk - I do wish this was on mainstream media - it is discussions like this that all Americans and people of the world need to listen to. Thank you
Valourizing cruelty
Speaks to so much misunderstanding right through our society of what we uphold as being right
i think everybody here who watches what has been going on in Gaza is feeling what Gabor described as " Moral Injury (7:00): seeing something terrible happen and you feel helpless in the face of it." I'll try to mention that to my Kongressman today at a rare town hall. I'm thankful as a Gulf war vet that all my time was spent aboard ship or in the States. Thank you Chris (ed: and Gabor), for existing. I will squeek against that avalanche today!
A couple of brilliant dudes
This was one of the great conversations between two brilliant people and two amazing human beings
Thanks so much for having Gabor on. It's a painful subject and even though I am not in direct contact with him or Chris it helps me to deal with my own symptoms of past trauma and the painful reactions I am having watching this past year and more regarding Gaza and all of the other wars and atrocities our government backs in this world..
Brave guys, boths of you. I grew up in Argentina during 70 s GENOCIDE.... we are watching GAZA and the horrors that our army hide while they were killing 30.000 people during the nights are returning to our minds. We just know all because of trials. And they are in jail 45 years after their crimes...even they never killed kids. Hugs to both from Southamerica.
Moral injury. Such a profound sense of helplessness.
Thank you so much for all this hartfull-grounding advice in these cruel inhumane times! Bless you both! 😭🙏🏽💖✊🏽
Much gratitude, Chris Hedges, for this profoundly healing and necessary interview with Dr Gabor Mate.
So many of us are feeling the
emotions of helplessness and grief as we witness online this unearthly nightmare: yes, we must take care of ourselves and one another; find our community - not always easy
but necessary. Thankyou, both of you.
You are both WONDERFUL humans! Thank you 🙇🏽♀️ much respect from Costa Rica to you two
Man this brought me to tears😢
A beautiful and brilliant mind, interviewed by another beautiful and brilliant mind. Thank you both,
Two of the best minds living today. Chris and Gabor are amazing.
I am a daughter of the Holocaust survivors. And if it was up to my mum, in 1946, when she found out how did her entire family die , there wouldn't be a German over the age of 5 left alive. How can I blame the Palestinians for feeling the same?
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I don’t blame them because I feel that way too, and USrAel did nothing to me except force me to witness their crimes. I know this is dehumanisation. It’s ugly 🤷
Most of the Palestinian people don't feel that they just want to be treated with the same respect for their lives their well being and their right to self determination
@@althaeacorn I was thinking specifically about people in Gaza and how they must feel right now. Before the current slaughter I read a human interest story about two young women, one a Palestinian citizen of Israel and the second, an Israeli activist in the movement against Netanyahu who struck a friendship in Jerusalem. And one of the things which struck me was how understanding was not only the Palestinian girl, but her entire family of the Israeli girl who was coming to terms with her whole viewpoint about her country being upended by events, how accepting they were of her . The father of the family said " we have lived in peace with Jews for centuries, and if by miracle, all Israelis started to behave like you, Miri, we would live in peace again". I am very aware that the hostages returned during the brief ceasefire in November last year were well treated by their captors, I am just concerned that over a year of genocide and worsening situation in the West Bank must generate hatred. It's impossible to feel compassion for people who are doing their worst to kill you
Thank you for this! I pray for the darkened souls of those who put power ahead of humanity.
I've had no one to speak to about this Genocide as Americans are shut off/shut down, unaware because they're so busy working trying to make a living. Most quit watching all the news PRIOR to Oct 7, 23 because they cannot endure the negativity. Even for those who were watching major network news, they're not being made aware of what's going on. I found this discussion to be very helpful to my emotional state. Thank you both. Those of us who know feel very isolated.
On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians.
Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1
According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total.
On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1
When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1
From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations.
A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower.
The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest.
The reported ages of the victims are as follows:
0-4: 2 civilians
5-12: 8 civilians
13-17: 14 civilians
18-25: 132 civilians
26-40: 119 civilians
41-60: 55 civilians
61+: 40 civilians
Active duty military personnel:
18-25: 258 active duty military personnel
26-40: 60 active duty military personnel
41-60: 17 active duty military personnel
61+: 1 active duty military personnel
haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr
There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%"
-Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well'
-Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband'
Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh
UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023:
2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349.
2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191.
2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227.
Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel.
Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc
civilian deaths on the other side -
2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9
2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26
They are following scripture, the word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses:
“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” -Psalm 137:9
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”-1 Samuel 15:3
“Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.”-Jeremiah 6:11
“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”-Hosea 13:16
The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers:
“in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.”
Another account by a chronicler and eyewitness-priest, Albert of Aachen, describes the killing of fleeing women, and depicts crusaders as:: “seizing [infants who were still suckling] by the soles of their feet from their mothers’ laps or their cradles…and dashing them against the walls or lintels of the doors and breaking their necks […] they were sparing absolutely no gentile of any age or kind.”The incoherence inherent in a stranger to Abraham calling the children of Abraham gentiles notwithstanding, this account evokes the very same Psalm 137:9 imprecation against Babylon, in Latin, “beatus qui tenebit et adlidet parvulos tuos ad petram.”
This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished.
This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah):
"includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit."
This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah's Messenger said: "Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal, commit treachery, mutilate, or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship."
It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children."
بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دعوة
"To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause"
-Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya
More hadith from Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah:
حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ شَيْخٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَوْلَى لِبَنِي عَبْدِ الْأَشْهَلِ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ إِذَا بَعَثَ جُيُوشَهُ قَالَ: «§لَا تَقْتُلُوا أَصْحَابَ الصَّوَامِعِ»
"Do not kill the dwellers of monasteries"
حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ جُوَيْبِرٍ، عَنِ الضَّحَّاكِ قَالَ: كَانَ «§يُنْهَى عَنْ قَتْلِ الْمَرْأَةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ»
سَعْدٍ قَالَ: «§نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَتْلِ النِّسَاءِ وَالذُّرِّيَّةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ الَّذِي لَا حَرَاكَ بِهِ»
"The prophet forbids the killing of women, children, and the elderly"
This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal Ayah 61 in which even oath breaking deniers/unbelievers are allowed to sue for peace states if the unbelievers they ask for peace, give it to them.
Stephen Langton, the writer of the Magna Carta (12th century, contemporary with the crusades for a reason) studied in the university of Paris which archives show had plenty of Arabic treatises in its procession, there can be no question about it being inspired by the "Sharia". both the renessiance and the european enlightenment were directly preceded by massive translation movements form Arabic (see the Republic of Letters by Alexander Bevilacqua, The House of Wisdom: How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization By: Jonathan Lyons.
The modifiable testament testament commands indiscriminate killing, genocide, plunder, mutilation, enslavement, or torture of enemies, including women, on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context.
God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.
I read everything with interest. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to write all this. 🙏
Thank you Chris and Gabor. You are two pillars of my support group. Most others publish on Substack along with The Grayzone, The Electronic Intifada and Middle East Eye. Reading and listening to these people and the comments of their supporters makes me realize I'm not alone and gives me some hope.
I waited a few days until it was quiet. I sensed quiet would be necessary. I could listen to you both speak with each other for hours. this one is a gift, a gift to everyone. I’m kind of weepy now and not articulate, the beauty and pain of this conversation. Thank you both
Such an important and helpful conversation. Thank you both.
❤❤
Big hugs and Love to the Matés and Hedges. 💓
🙏🏻. I was waiting for this discussion
As a Nishnabe (Native American), all my life people have told me they were sorry about what happened to my people or that “if they lived back then, they wouldn’t have supported it”
After Oct, I can tell you… they most assuredly would’ve supported it because they’re supporting it now by making excuses for Isræl. Making excuses for WHY tens of THOUSANDS of children have to die. Why collective punishment is okay in this case.
I feel deeply humbled after listening to these two Human Beings. 🙏
I feel such constant anger at genocidal Zionists in Israel and my despicable government (the USA):
I wish I was able to channel this into useful activity. I am suicidal and despairing about the horrors of
What is going on in our beautiful world and terrified for my young grandchildren’s future. I am a retired nurse
Who always believed in cherishing the small good things in life but l have lost this capacity. I really was happy to listen to your conversation and wish I could feel better but I am still stuck in fury ( you are so right about the trauma anyone with a shred of humanity is suffering..
These 2 men are HEROES for stating the truth. So much respect for them.
Big love to Gabor, and to Chris, two towering monuments of humanity! ❤
this man has been soothing my soul ever since Oct 7th. thank you, cannot believe he's 80 he looks so much younger
Such a pleasure to listen to sane people speak about the why's and consequences of allowing a 21st century genocide to endure while thousands of Palestinians are being slaughtered in Gaza. What drives IDF soldiers to take glee in humiliating parents in front of their children, or shooting an old woman carrying a white flag, or firing over 300 bullets into a car containing a Palestinian family, knowing that those victims are not resistence soldiers, or a threat to them. It is often said "the world" has abandoned the Palestinians, but I know differently, as I've watched countless videos of anti-genocide protesters around the world risking jobs, careers, school studies, and their lives to bring the genocide to the attention of evenyone. But there is a cadre of politicians, media outlets, academics and the like who refuse to show or speak about the slow death of a whole civilization in Palestine, and wondered how can they be so callous and hardhearted. Dr Mate´and Mr Hedges opined about the reasons, and are hard to come up with an answer. But one thing Dr Mate´said stuck out for me "good people don't get it", get the fact that in turning a blind eye to the massacres taking place in Gaza actually makes them complicit.
There are many people who "don't get it" because their corporate media outlets don't report the truth, report that genocide is genocide, the debasement and extermination of people. But for most people in the western countries they can get the information, either through media outlets like Al Jazeera or through social networks.
I'm a Canadian expat who goes back to Canada once a year to see family and friends, all people I consider intellegent and au courant about what is happening in the world. I even took part in a Free Palestine march in Montreal before meeting some of my family days later. Imagine my shock when all of them, at different times, got aggressive with me, accusing me of being pro-Hamas, and that Hamas had beheaded 40 Israeli babies and cooked some in overs; when trying to reason with one of them, he, a normally calm and informed person, started shouting at me. With another close family member, he said "why do you care, and what have you done for the Palestinians?" When I said I tweet daily about the barbarity of the IDF soldiers and had attended a Free Palestine march, nothing more was said. I'm sure Dr Mate´would be able to give me answers to what I have experienced, even from my own family, but perhaps the simple answer isn't that they don't receive any information from the media about the genocide, but perhaps it's that they don't care about about Arabs, and what is going on in that part of the world, or they have for years swallowed the pro-Israel kool aid too long.
I despair for the Palestinians in all of Palestine, as the recent fall of the Syria has enabled the Israelis to intensify their barbarity, as the world looks in another direction.
In closing, I want to thank Dr Mate´and Chris Hedges for shedding more important light on the how's and why's humans act as they do.
@TheGom47 - thank you for taking the time and care to write something of your experience. You are appreciated. 💛
10 years ago I watched the 10 min. or so documentary 'The children who live under Israel's missiles' by Dan Cohen about the Bakr family who's five children were bombed while playing soccer on the beach in Gaza. What surviving 10 year old Muntasir Bakr says to the camera at the around 4 minute mark says it all.
He did want to be a fisherman like his father, but not anymore Tel Aviv. Nobody was sentenced, no reparations paid (although it wouldn't have brought the slaughtered children back) A supreme form of impunity was already in place then it still is. There are too many documented and undocumented stories but the scale of traumatizing we see now in Gaza is unprecedented. We all get co-traumatized seeing this mechanism play out now in it's full demonic glory. I pity them so much, what the hell did they and us do to deserve this.
And once you know.....
Thank you, as a fellow protester of genocide and war, I so appreciate this discussion, the shared feelings of frustration, ineptness, sadness and horror.
Legend Dr. Gabor Mate.
Thank you both, there is healing in a time of genocide
saw the title a few times but couldn't bring myself to listen bec i knew it would just devastating for me to hear..at this point, i really dont know when the reckoning will be. "i have no idea what the conciousness of Kissinger would be.." well said, Dr Gabor
Another great interview. Thank you
I can't thank you both enough for this interview. So many of us across the world are paralysed by Israeli atrocities committed against Palestinians. We don't know what to do with sadness and helplessness, you have reminded us of how to cope and keep fighting for the safety, security and stability for the people of Gaza.
Two of my favorite authors! Thanks Chris.
76 year long apartheid, 17 year long blockade of Gaza and now committing genocide. PURE EVIL
I read Gabor’s book on trauma and always a pleasure to hear him speak.
One of the signs of a good person is that he leaves you better than when he first found you.
True, a better you makes all of us better.
What a marvelous discussion. To paraphrase the opening lines of Charles Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities, Jews are the best of people, and the worst of people. Gaber Mate is one of the best kind.
Thank so much to taking the true.
This is my third and final comment!! I am just so moved by this conversation! I feel like hiding from humanity at the moment and just crying. Maybe im not the only one experiencing this type of response.
Something Chris said toward the end, was the idea that we need to recognise the potential for evil inside, which is what helps us, ultimately, to counteract that evil. Maybe the "human project" is simultaneously a "Divine project" and this dual experience of dark and light has to be set in the "record" for the same type of reasoning on a macro level. Lest we forget!
My savage mistreatment as an infant caused me to retreat into a lifetime of unfelt fear. That doesn’t matter. My real wound is being disconnected from myself. Because connection with myself and connection with other people is the same thing. The humans who battered me did not know who they are. They went thru the normal childhood process of being raised by work objects adults. ALL of us have endured being separated from our own goodness. It’s called childhood in a feudal system of coerced competition.
Take care bro 🙏
I can relate. I grew up in a verbally abusive home and became a mute and deeply traumatised by this daily injury from which I couldn't protect myself at all. I also was paralysed by fear to fight back and retreated from life altogether by crippling depression and anxiety. I honestly only in my 40s am now starting to heal. But my life has been lost to fear of more people that want to hurt me(in my mind as a trauma response).
Understanding the consequences of my abuse is counterintuitive. I have a half century of savage self violence. As I look inside of me all I see is unfelt hurt and a chronic seeking for attention. My bad behaviour contains no negative motivations, I simply do what was done to me. In my life there is no THEM. All I see is people being ridden hard by our unfelt grief from childhood. Rich and poor, we all absorb our parents separation from self love. Our culture installs Toxic Disconnection. Our humanness is fully intact behind unfelt feelings of overwhelming grief.
Two wonderful men and exceptionally gifted human beings. Doctor Gabor has a truly beautiful heart.
Thank you both for a very insightful discussion. 🙏❤️🇵🇸🇱🇧🇮🇶🇾🇪🇮🇷