How I Learned to Throw Smooth (...and eliminate wobble)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2021
- I tried to learn how to eliminate all wobble when throwing putters and, well, this is how it went.
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It's all about angle integrity. Your torso, arm, and wrist should work together to keep that disc on the plane of release from reach back all the way through your follow through. Your reach back is down, then you come up and then try to release flat(and sometimes roll your wrist), creating off axis torque and wobble. Commit to your release angle and keep your body aligned from start to finish. You probably do this on all your throws, it's just that putters are better at exposing form flaws. Great video! I know I am just some rando on the internet, but I absolutely love throwing putters. Best of luck!***Edit: I just wanted to come back and give a simpler piece of advice. Focus on keeping your forearm angle and plane the same through the entire throw.
Thanks a ton Dane! Not just some rando on the internet.. the feedback is greatly appreciated 🤘 /Jesse
This is the best advice I’ve read this far. It is 100% needed to follow through on the angle of the shot you’re going for
I throw a lot of putters during fieldwork and am wondering what putter u like throwing the most
yes I was thinking the same thing. if you watch the pros they reach straight back and not down and their follow through is on the angle of release. This is something I've been working on personally
@@hughbonus2227 for most throws under 175, Big bead Aviar(I like the bead for putting). 175-325ft Opto-X Pure for straight/anhyzer, glidey hyzers. Zone for hyzers. I recommend beadless putters for throwing just because beaded putters can tear up your finger if you throw them a lot. The Pure is my favorite disc, it flies dead straight, and it's very satisfying to watch. What putters do you like to throw?
I did something similar after watching OverThrow's videos. It definitely goes against my muscle memory, but I'm feeling more confident after re-working my methods. Good on you for going back and figuring this out!
OT is an awesome channel and Josh is an incredible teacher! Glad to see some videos together!
Josh is the absolute best for beginners or someone trying to really fine tune things or remove bad habits. I hope to see more collaboration.
For me, Josh is one of the most helpful guys among the disc golf tutorial videos. Also you with the 'democratic' style of asking for tips from everyone and practicing with that, it's a demonstration of the 'helpfulness' of the sharing and of being humble for a better style in disc golf.
Speaking for myself and Josh: that means a ton Alberto! Thank you 🤘
I’ve found that for approach shots it’s really helpful to keep the target in my line of sight throughout the motion. For the full power drive your head naturally gets turned away from the target as you extend your “reach back”. Keeping the target in line of sight naturally shortens your reach back and, to me, it makes so much sense to keep your eyes on the target during a shot where precision is key.
Something that helped me with touchy smooth shots was playing catch with a Sonic (or frisbee-like disc). Practicing the slight nose up/high spin shot with friends improved my timing and angle control when throwing at a slower arm speed.
OTDG has been killing it. They have fantastic advice and just seem like truly sweet human beings. They deserve a ton of support.
Agreed 🔥
As a beginner with a noodle arm SLOWING down helps me with everything from upshot to distance. Seriously I think everyone should try slowing down. Slow is smooth and smooth is far. (And accurate)
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Yea some of the best videos on yt besides TP for tips are tutorials by Drew Gibson.
Love how you are expanding your content!!!!
Thanks Noah!
Love Josh’s content. He’s a great Teacher
Great job. Thanks for bringing in the Overthrow guys.
Wanted to share this...my casual group has been utilizing what we call the "Bogey Bag" in our rounds. Simply, to keep our courses clean we all pick up litter while playing and the person who was last to get a bogey carries the Bogey Bag (trashbag) until someone new gets a bogey.
This is an absolutely legendary idea!!! Love it 👏🏼
Even though this is an old video I’m glad to say that I taught myself how to throw putters before drivers as I changed my form to a slingshot throw now I feel more comfortable with a putter in my hand more than anything
OT GANG🔥
Thanks OT and trash panda!
Great video - Once your release is good I think you can start throwing the putter farther by incrementally adding back in a slightly faster run-up.
Love your content! But man seeing "Welcome back, Trash" in Skillshare 🤣🤣 it's how my discs or my trumpet greet me
I used to have serious wobble when tried to throw small distances with putters. For me what helped was to go backwards in my techinque, so try to eliminate other body movement and first throw the putter just with wrist motion (as much as possible). Then from there incorporate bending the elbow, turning shoulders, hips, legs... until you can throw without wobble. I try think about techinque like a chain of stuff happening and if some stuff in that chain is broken i want to go through it and find it :)
Brian Earhart and Paul Ulibarri had a good clinic that covered a similar approach to dialing down shots. Paul talks about linking your arm's movement to the movement of your left leg (for right hand throwers). End result is if you want to throw a 200ft putt, just take shorter steps and your arm will naturally follow. It's helped me quite a bit recently
Slowing down is one of my most given advice to players struggling with their form. It's so much easier to smooth out a slower throw and works wonders for distance shots as well. The little touchy things come later naturally when you experiment but having great balance while throwing short or long is key to everything in my eyes. Also the difference in most of your shots compared to the one at 9:05 was that your follow through was much better and not as high. Made that thing look like an lazer beam.
For me loosening up way more on upshots helps too. Hopping like a fairy on that x-step and the disc just wants to fly :D
Seppo Paju has some of the smoothest form when throwing upshots so he has been a great inspiration there.
Totally agree! The goal is just to be Seppo 🔥
I use a modified power grip when throwing putters. This gives me way more control over the disc, at the cost of some power. I essentially take the index-finger out from under the flightplate, and place it on the rim instead (almost like a putting-grip), and the keep the rest the same.
I threw putters wobbly for so long until I switched to the Judge. I threw Aviars before and they're just too deep. It was crazy..like as soon as I changed discs they came out as smooth as butter 🧈🤣 Love you and your content! 🥏⛳
This just helped me but it might work for others, I had the same problem then realized I was rounding (putting the disc behind me in the reach back) I focused on keeping the disc away from my body keeping it on a straight line.
You will get much more out of your throws with a slow, deliberate, relaxed backhand. You need to keep your left arm still and your left leg from swinging around. Keep the disc flat coming across your chest and stand up straight, not hunched over, trying to throw hyzer bombs. Also, throw 150 class discs. You'd be amazed at how much further you can throw with lighter-weight discs.
Just gotta say that the happy part of my brain was tickled by you editing your throws to release on beat…noice
Me too, man. Me too.
I would say the shorter reach back would still require a full follow through. It seems like you come to a stop, which isn't a full commitment. What really helped me out with upshot is Paul Ulibaris upshot clinic video he did.
th-cam.com/video/JzGm8L7O4qM/w-d-xo.html
Sick vid. Big love to overthrow! Btw just to help a little as well, I noticed your feet when you were throwing putter shots were straight in line with each other. If you get them staggered you'll be much better off! Keep Grinding!
Thanks Raymond!
Ot is super undersubbed folks. Hit him up. Real content
Jess if you ever find yourself near Charleston SC look me up! We have some amazing breweries and even better DG courses! Thanks as always for doing what you do!
Yessir!!
The stand still approach is what I go to for shorter shots … I try to keep the muscle memory same so I slow down the throw by less lower body momentum
Want to practice upshots. Get your hardest putter/putters and go out into a field with a friend and play catch. Move around a little every throw and try to softly land it by the other person.
I like this idea. Cheers!
I played a lot of ultimate in college and I think that helped a ton with touch and those approach shots. I think touch and short distances are all gonna be controlled by your upper body. You just don't need you lower body to throw it 150. Consistent angle of the disc and disc spin are the most important for a smooth shot. You can try and focus on really snapping the wrist. Also I think it helps to change your grip to be more nose up. That way you can get a really nice floater. While I'm rambling I measured my distance while keeping my ear on the target and then I measured when I look away. I know if I keep my eye on the target I won't go further then x amount. And if you need a little farther just turn your head and get a little more reach back.
Great feedback Andrew!! Thank you 🤘
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf Also loving the mini I got from you. Looking forward to whatever else you make.
It looks to me like you may need more spin and to get your wrist more involved. I read that wobble or off axis torque will happen when the velocity of the disc exceeds the rpms. Try loading your wrist as you throw like when you throw forehand, but the opposite direction of course. Think of it more as a "spin drive" in the same way you would do a spin putt, versus a push putt.
Hardest part of slowing down is the slow part. Gonna focus on that next time I am out, thanks for the skill share!
Absolutely! 👏
Nice sox!!!!
Shorter and slower motions usually works for me to. Somewhat inconsistent though but that’s another opportunity to make a difference I guess. 😁
My upshot game greatly improved after doing Beto Drills and closed shoulder drills (bradley walker i think) It made me realize i spent so many months throwing discs without enough spin and thats why they wobbled so bad. The only way to get any pleasing results from Beto Drills is to force the disc to spin. Within a few days of doing these drills my upshots were like butter and ended up overthrowing a lot without hardly any exertion. Basically what these drills do is allow you to work on just the final half-second of the hit point. So being able to zero in on just that one single focus point gets that muscle memory ingrained quick and easy. If you throw 500 and have been playing for 13 years then i assume you already know this but maybe not if you're genuinely asking for advice
Super helpful feedback! Thank you 🤘
At 1:55 I thought that was a James Conrad dream tee pad. He could break land speed records!
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Here for Trash Panda Pete!
Learning to throw smooth was the biggest jump I had in my game
Great video as always! Just for fun next time you go out do everything that you’ve already tried but add over exaggerating as much spin as you can and see what that does. Really bend your wrist and try to overspin the disc, then you can back it off as needed. This will greatly stabilize your disc and really allow a smooth flight during windy conditions. Let me know how it works.
Thanks Eric! Will definitely give it a try!!
I have the same problem at the beginning of the year and I did all those things and got 100% better on my 100-200 feet up shots
Fantastic to hear!!
250 in is a putter, fan grip, finger on rim, kinda like the stretch position baseball players use when a guy is on base, just a step into my lie low and straight throw. Good luck on your journey ive enjoyed watching you learn.
Thank you! Fan grip has never worked well for me, but I agree it could use another take 🤘
Sweet soundtrack
One thing I think you should try out with your shorter reach back is adjust where it starts rather than ends. I learned I gained a lot of accuracy and touch on approaches when I would start the disc further back than in front of me and continue to do a full reach back. I mostly do it from a standstill but will also do it on a slow x step. When I tried shortening the end point i lost consistency, but when I started my arm more back and reached back to a normal spot it was more similar to my usual throws but also felt more controlled
Super interesting bro! Thanks a ton for the tip!!
I've noticed that I get clean releases when I don't let the disc wobble after I release it! Hope this helps!!
A thing that helps me throw putters smooth is a fangrip, You can get much cleaner release with a fangrip than a powergrip
I don’t do a step for these types of shots, it’s actually pretty rare that I don’t just do stand still shots anywhere except the tee, for me it’s more accurate and I don’t lose much distance(but that probably just means I need to work on my xstep 🤷🏻♂️)
I think the biggest thing that helps me throw dead straight putters sub 200ft is definitely slowing down and instead of standstill I only take the last step.
The biggest key I've found for smooth is your grip. Putters are thikk lol, your fingers can get caught up when you're releasing. I actually put my index finger up on the rim and fan out the rest of my fingers slightly. Also using lower profile putters for throwing like the pure, luna, judge, roach, pilot ect. P2 for example is so deep I find it really easy to get it stuck on one of my fingers.
Adding Envy to your list of low profile putters.
@@prattacaster yeah I throw an neutron envy alot, just didn't want to keep going and going haha
@@shiftonephoto I was throwing into a 15-20mph wind today with my neutron Envy and it just went dead straight and dropped down; it was not going to turn. Really impressive for a putter that you can actually putt with
@@prattacaster yeah I love that putter, I can turn it over on purpose and trust it to come back
Obvious and easy to fix error. Reach back is down toward belt. Pull through is on upward arc to chest level. Launch is on slightly downward arc to sternum level. This imparts an up then down "moment" on the disc making it rock fore and aft, or "wobble" after launch.
Easier to explain with a simple line drawing, but the entire reach back, pull through and release MUST be on the same horizontal plane from start to release. This is more crucial than the lateral "pull straight through" mantra everyone always recites.
FWIW it took about three seconds in slow motion to notice the cause of wobble. It really stands out.
How are you liking throwing with the R2 plastic?
It hasn't made the bag yet, but I'm definitely still enjoying it!!
I'm getting back into disc golf after almost 4 years of injuries.( Recovering from hip replacement surgery now. Planning on throwing again in 2022. I wonder if I could get some help.
1. I feel that I'd be better starting over from scratch and learn the game the right way. I could use some instruction.
2. I've got a lot of discs that I don't know what to do with. Could you use some dx discs to recycle? I'm gonna try to sell most cheaply or donate some to schools.
Hey James, welcome back to the sport man!! I'd highly suggest my friends at @overthrowdiscgolf for coaching specific help. As far as recycling, if the DX discs are still usable then donating them to schools would be the best option!
Not sure if you have noticed this but you seem to be "pushing" your throw with your back leg rather than rotating through your hips. Related to this is the fact that you're going from leaning back to leaning forward. One way to improve this is to have a more active left arm in combination with trying "tucking" the back knee behind your front leg. This also gives you more power from the brace and better balance. This might completely throw off your balance and timing for a while though (like it has done for me), so feel free to completely ignore this advice 😁.
Won't ignore it at all. Great feedback!
what grip do people use on putters??? it feels like one of my biggest problems
Fan grip
I power grip my putters but I also can't really throw deep putters very well. But almost all the good players ik fan grip so you do have different options but I would definitely say start out trying a fan grip
I love throwing putters. If I am driving from the tee pad I usually use the power grip. If I am throwing an upshot and need touch I use the fan grip. Shallow rim putters work best for me for these types of throws.
My first thought when I watched you throw was that your reachback was really low, but when you pulled forward, you came up pretty abruptly, and then tried to make it come out at a very different angle. People have said if you are trying to throw flat, your arm/hand should go "nipple to nipple", while you were going more from knee to armpit, and then trying to flatten it out from there. I think your "after" video is better in that regard, but it also looks like you are holding the disc as if you're going to throw it anhyzer until the moment you start moving forward, when you manipulate it to flat. I think you'd do better to use something more like Tomas tells Jonathan to do in their "Throw BETTER approach shots" video... start by "locking in" the desired angle with your left hand behind the disc.
P.S. I think Josh is one of the best, but I'm surprised the closest he came to mentioning that was calling your reachback a "punchdown" (or something).
So for drives with putter you do need put more height but I do agree I don't see why he's looking like he is punching down then leveling his arm out makes your form more mechanical and thus brings a few more inconsistencies into play
@@b-radg916 as a coach you’ve got to decide what’s worth changing. For me, If Jesse has been throwing for 13 years and can throw 500 feet I’m not going to make big form changes. If it was early in his career, he wanted to break 600’, and be world champion I’d consider it. But he can learn to throw touch shots by abbreviating his form as shown. Just my $0.02 and why I approached it that way.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf: Gotcha. As I said, I think you’re one of the best, so I trust your judgement. But if it were someone just starting out, would you try to correct the changing angles?
@@b-radg916 most likely. If you have time you should look up a tennis player by the name Gulbis. Watch his forehand in slow motion compared to others. Absolutely bonkers on his form but a top 10 player at one point. Jesse has worked so much on his timing over the years that it would take a very long time to change some things in his form for a not so good return in terms of outcome. If he can throw 500 healthily then why overhaul it?
I’m no expert but I think your accuracy would improve drastically if you looked at the basket longer. For instance, I think you were so focused on your form that your head pointed back early. It may be better to allow your “reach back” to naturally turn your head away
Did anyone notice if he was using fan gripping or power gripping?
Spin and Throw baby lol, helps out even more :D
"I seem to have a love hate relationship with throwing slow".....I feel seen. But unfortunately all the discs ive lost from bad throws are not.....
Josh is goood 👍
Try a Crow Hop... Sort of works for my over aggressive yet cant break 300 technique.
Is it just me... It seems your Step Step Throw is more like... Step, Step... take a deep breath.... think carefully about hand position.... Keeep that arm tight... Ohhh a butterfly.... THROW.
There seems to be a real disjointed non fluid motion... almost like your overthinking the steps, the reach back... the throw.
with the Crow Hop I found a rhythm a bit like a 'Rim Shot' drum roll.... "Ba Da Bum" instead of your long drawn out...... 1...2.... waitwaitwaitthrow...
Have you noticed the less you care about really getting it out there, the smoother you are?.
And if you want to slow things down... Take your biggest driver... and go throw it 150ft.
Slow is smooth. My coach here has been beating it in
you should try to make a disc out of lego pieces
Trash panda hockey?
Play catch with someone!
WHAT IS ON THE TOP ROW?!?!?
Secrets 🤫
I just pretend I'm paul Macbeth and it does a good job for me. Keep it smooth
Couldn't see it
Another example of not using an adverb properly. This should read "How to throw smoothly." Subway broke this rule as well. "Eat fresh." Smooth is an adjective, not an adverb.
Props to you for reaching out and getting advice, and for the field work of trying to improve. However, you did not eliminate wobble. You didn’t provide a slo mo of the result because you know you didn’t fix it. I think it’s because your question was misunderstood, here’s the real solution:
th-cam.com/video/Mc0wgR2voiU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4oteYX-erKhh_rQM
Lego disc
Good tips in general, but to achieve pro level form your motion pattern sequence needs to change. I can coach you.
Thanks Seabas! I'll let you know if I ever want to dive even deeper 🤘
OAT (Off Axis Torque) doesn't belong in disc golf, it's no ones friend!
Slow is smooth and smooth is far, I hear
Pssst.. don't say "fast forward" during an ad. Subliminally I almost reached for the remote, but still didn't.
Didn't even think of that! Thanks man 👏
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf your natural good nature is why we enjoy your videos, I don't want to get in your head, I was mostly messing with you.
slow is smooth, smooth is far.
I am going to go out on a limb and judging by this guy's salesmanship qualities say.. that he got in touch with you in order to use your platform to make a video. And you came up with the concept of him explaining to you how to be smoother. I could be wrong but that's just my perception
The real story goes more like this:
Some months ago, around the time our reachback video dropped, Jesse sent us an email welcoming us into the disc golf content creator community and wishing us the best. We got to know each other via phone call and now we’re homies. We had both discussed the willingness to do a collaboration at some point but not because it was a good business move but because it would be fun. I do think he makes very intentional efforts to help others and to connect the disc golf community. If anything, this video speaks more to his intentionality in that matter than anything I have done. He and Robbie exemplify the “all boats rise with the tide” mentality more than any content creators I know.
Josh described the scenario perfectly, so I'll simply add one piece: I would never bring someone onto Trash Panda's channel transactionally.. I respect you all too much. (ps: that goes for both collaborations and sponsorships.)
Much respect on the reply I'm sorry I'm late on this I am a chef by trade but I play plenty of disc golf. If you ever want to come to Philadelphia and get a lesson on how to play disc golf I can show you and you guys can bring your cameras and see the funnest time you've ever seen on camera
We play disc golf at Sedgley woods where the history is very deep here and we take it serious. My apologies if I saw something out of line but I call it how I see it
Lol “worst form I’ve ever seen”