I am really liking your channel. I like some of the foundation stuff, but I find that these casual throw and chats are really nice. It gives us an idea what a disc does and you are a great presenter.
I've bagged Simon's music city open Proxy since he won that tournament and I absolutely love it. It has a very true to the release angle flight for me when I throw it hard but if I put less power behind it, it has a consistent overstable finish. I used to throw Envy, but the Proxy took over that slot for me. Loved the putter comparisons and enjoy the new chill vibes of the channel so far!
The molds feel pretty similar in the hand. I used to throw the electron envys, but they beat in very quickly. Of course you can get higher quality plastics to prevent this from happening, but I presonally like the feel of the proxy in my hands more than envys. I'd say the envy feels slightly more deep in my hands than the proxy which is why I prefer the proxy myself. You really can't go wrong with either of them tbh, so I'd say give them both a feel test in the hand before buying one or the other because the feel is really what matters the most imo. @@sindrearnasjdahl9760
I really like the idea of a series of videos focused on a specific bag slot and breaking down 1) the shots they are used for 2) what types of discs can fit it and 3) how different discs can slightly change the way you use that slot. Some options are control driver, overstable mid range, max distance driver, tunnel shot / gap hitters, utility disc, forehand disc, turnover disc.
@@chrism4008 Great podcast, but not quite the same format - I think there is room for more of a field test focused on the slot and the shot. In the Bag generally focuses more on the actual discs themselves, helping people build bags, etc.
24:02 Trevor you should have used the watt instead of the envy cause it’s a neutral putter almost like a max weight glitch but definitely try the watt compared to the envy they are both in my bag but I putt with the envy and throw the watt when I need a disc that will just go on whatever line I need it to do forehand or backhand🤘🏻🤘🏻
Berg is also really good for forehand approaches, while other slower putters can be quite finicky. The bulky rim makes it quite torque-resistent and wont turn over unless you completely hammer it. It does need some practice to get used to the grip though.
Really appreciate the Monday morning videos. I watch/listen videos and podcasts during my drives and lunch workout and needed something monday for lunch workout and you are filling that for me! Enjoy the content as always
Awesome video. A lot of thought and work went into this. You didn't get lazy like most youtubers by only 2 or 3 discs then gloss over things. You gave every disc a fair shake, even going so far as to re-throw obvious shanks. Worth watching all 40 minutes!
I’m a little surprised the Luna didn’t get a look on this video, cuz I see a lot of people use the Luna for throwing putters like Anthony Barela and Paul McBeth (obviously) I have been using Lunas for throwing putters and they would fit nicely in that p2 spot. Glidy, stable disc that is actually very durable. Doesn’t lose its stability as quickly. I like the look of the Aviar though and will definitely give it a try! Thanks for the break down! 🙌🏼
The Matty O maiden in tournament x plastic is the best throwing putter out right now. Especially if you have smaller hands. I feels super shallow in hand 🖐️
I love Maidens too but tournament plastic just slips out of my hand too often. I tried an experiment over a summer of field work and rounds with Maidens in Origio, BT Medium, BT Hard, Tournament and VIP and found that I consistently got the best distance and accuracy with BT Medium. This was a surprise - I expected the VIP or Tournament to have better distance but the BT Medium and even BT Hard were nearly always farther. I think it comes down to my grip. That's my hypothesis anyway.
Reko has been my jam for throwing putters. I've flipped back and forth between throwing Reko and Envy, and always have a k1 soft Berg close by for when I need a disc to 'plop' down.
My Rekos go where my Bergs can't reach. They glide considerably farther but my Berg is way more accurate and safe from overthrowing. Both live in my bag.
I think this is your best video yet on this channel These are great comparisons and really do help to see differences, similarities, pros and cons I'm still basically a beginner and discovered early on that I get the most consistent throws with putters Please do more of these I'm using a Mercy here
I have a K1 Soft berg that I absolutely love! But I do have some rules for it. 1. I never throw it off the tee. 2. I never throw it uphill unless I'm close and I know I can't make the putt. 3. I only throw it for like 100-150 fooupshots. I think in that slot specifically is where the berg can really shine, but it is definitely not the "Swiss army knife" you're looking for here
Going to give a star aviar a shot at the bag now.... Been using a opto pure forever now but want to try the aviar after this. Used to putt with 8 time aviars so should be pretty familiar... Love these laid back videos.
After buying a couple Westside Shields to try for putting, I ended up sticking with Wardens for putting and the Shields have become an amazing upshot and off the tee disc. They seem like they're just a touch more stable than your Roach. I also have an Envy which I can rip on a lot more when needed.
The Proxy and Pure are my favorite straight throwing putters. My max distance is 320 (woth control drivers) and the Pure and Proxy are the perfect amount of flip. They go straight for about 180-220 ft. The PA-5 is money for turnover shots or softer approach shots where you still need a straight throw but the distance is short.
Very big fan of this video. Informative, but also just fun Trevor vibes while he plays. Also: I use Praxis and PA5 and A5 for my throwing putters. ESP Zone if I need more bite and a little more distance.
You nailed it. "This disc falls down quickly once it runs out of speed." This is the true power of the Berg. No redundant gliding.😆 BTW try FH rollers with it.
Really enjoyed this video! I also love throwing putters. My favourites between the once I’ve tried is pure, soft logic and glow rainmaker. I would love for you to try more putters and then go forward with mids and then fairways. Really good videos, keep em coming!
Perfect timing on this! I just aced our feature hole at my local tournament this weekend with the Envy and I’ve been swearing by it for so long! Really enjoyed the video!
Thought space praxis has to be one of the best throwing putters out there as well, it’s one of the smoothest and just stable flying putters out there. I tell everyone they should try one out I highly recommend. Should give it a try Trevor
I bag 4 throwing Envy’s: Electron Firm - Super beat in Electron Firm - Not so beat in Electron Soft - Practically brand new Eclipse Glow - Very beat in, still has a bit of over stability
My throwing putters are Envy, Praxis, Spin (overstable, stable, understable). If i need something even more overstable than the envy i used to reach for a Star Aviar X3, but im currently trying out an Axiom Temple and Lone Star Artemis and loving both of those instead.
I really hope you get the opportunity to test the Sea Otter from Wilddiscs! I think you really will love it 😉 The lava and nuclear plastic are amazing!
Really amazing video!!!! I throw 90% mvp/axiom and the envy is a very reliable disc. I have 3 of these things in my bag. The clear ones tend to be more overstable and I also have a fission which is understable and both make really good approach putters. I also drive with 1 for Short holes but I don't putt with them. I have a buddy that uses them for putting so these things are versatile for sure!!! 🎉
Really liking the content, would like to add that another good disc for this list is Pure from Latitude 64, based on how you threw in the video, I’d say it has the distance potensial of the envy and the stability of the judge. I don’t really have a lot of arm speed, but my Pure goes 300 feet easily and does that laser-straight the whole way.
@@stevendeckert6373 Okay, I’ve never thrown the Judge so I woundn’t know, but thanks for the info. The pure I have, I can pretty much throw it as hard as I can and if I release it flat, it never turns and never fades. Perfect disc to have for long straight tunnels 👍🏻
This is a great episode. I only use putters and mids most of the time. Drivers just cause problems. Always interested in putter content. Upshot’s and scrambles are where I live.
For me it's all about the depth. I absolutely hate throwing the P2 despite how much everyone raves about it. I putt with a Pure and my thrower is an Orbit Pure.
Great info...particularly the discussion of going left with under stable discs and right with avertable ones...a concept a lot of newer folks don't understand. I know you were setting a realistic limit on how many you could test, but two other common throwing putters worth mentioning: The Rhyno and the Pure. My personal favorite throwing putter right now is pretty new, and not well known yet, but I really like it: the MVP Watt. It's like the midpoint between the Envy and the Glitch, a bit overstable and quite glidey.
The envy is nice but I prefer the proxy for this slot a bit more. It’s like an envy without the “bite” at the end. I think that makes it a bit more workable on more lines. It can hold a hyzer or anhyzer just as well. The envy is better for slight flex shots though. Cool vid man!
Berg is great for people who like to throw their approach shots with similar speed to their drives. I have not tried the Berg X but if you want a more stable version of the Berg and a little more shallow than try the Berg X.
Since I use putters and midranges for 90% of my shots I have 4 throwing putters. Mvp Spin great hyzerflip disc, flies sorta like a fuse with less glide and less speed. Envy as overstable putter. Glitch holds any line for short throws with tons of glide and it's quite stable and I also use it for short straight shots with no fade with fan grip. Berg shapes nicely too but with minimal glide which means less movement to the side at least on anhyzers. Amazing for forehands and short hyzers approaches and spike hyzers, it usually comes in slow and sticks the landing. (K1 soft)
The envy for me has been so money. For backhand tee shots, forehand and backhand approach shots, and simple putting, it’s my favourite approach disc in my bag
Too bad about the Double G Aviar. I’m a Seminole, but it’s hard not to like GG. I’ve collected a lot of discs, but with a max distance of 290’, putters don’t work for me off the tee. I do use them as approach discs from about 150’ in. I would say you do need a neutral flyer (I bag a Judge). It’s nice to have a point and shoot. I use an Envy, mostly for windy conditions. I use putters when I want it to land fairly late and not get a ton of ground play. Thanks for your video. It got me thinking and I’ll have to pull out the P2 and Berg to re-examine what they do.
Threw the Berg until 2 months ago when i switched to Logic , and the reason are very similiar to how you described the Berg in the review👍👍 great stuff
A personal favorite for me is a premium plastic sensei by discmania, it’s one that I throw a lot for longer upshots and off the tee if I think its one I can reach with a putter. I also have a berg for those touchier upshots
Thanks for the content, was hoping to hear your opinion on the judge and that was very well said. I putt with a classic blend and love throwing them too. You're one of few people I see throwing them and as much as I love the pros the cons you brought up are accurate. My thought is you have to focus on the follow through to be sure on the line. If you can throw a judge you can throw anything
I don’t like deep putters . I’ve been using a gateway shaman and am having good luck up to 220 feet. I switch to an Envy for a little farther throw. I like what you are doing.
Want shallower discs with similar flights? Try the Innova Colt if you like the less stable flight of the Roach that was thrown. Try the Infinite Tomb if you want a similar flight to the Avair,or Judge that were thrown. I have not thrown the Gateway Chief or the Chief OS but I know they are shallower than many discs.
Great vid Trev, I just added an envy to my bag still haven't used it much but excited more for it now, my putters right now are the luna and watt and just really love em right now.
Love my Judge and I can throw it around 250ft. Helped me improve my form as a beginner. Unfortunately it suffered the same fate as your Aviar but I also forgot to pick it up.
Long time aviar user, putting and throwing. Stuck with it because of availability and different plastics. Use a 165 gram champion plastic for form work and base plastic ones
If you want a phenomenal neutral throwing putter for shot shaping, I cannot recommend the TSA Praxis enough. The newest aura run (turtle stamp) feels AMAZING and has a little bit of extra stability so it should beat in amazingly. It flies like a beefy Pure with a very similar handfeel to the Pure. Delicious.
Thanks for not overwhelming us with too much info. So will the next video cover which putter is best for interpretive dance? Not sure what I want in that slot yet. Thanks Trevor!!!
Now I want to go out and have a putter only round. I have a sling bag for when I don't want to carry my full bag....so I've loaded some putters into it and will try a putter only round this week.
Absolutely love my sky god 4 p2. I’ve been having more and more throw ins from 100~ lately with that disc specifically cuz like you said, it’s just soo predictable and such a beautiful flight
Love the content. Keep them coming, please. I have improved my game tremendously from some of your tips and advice on discs and function. Thank you for changing my game 👍
I just found this channel. Great video for starters. The Berg is a disc that you prob not going to be able to over-torque. Don't be afraid to tear into it. That Cash disc I'll be checking out soon. Thanks for the vid.
Bergs are most useful for approach shots where you don’t want it to roll (for example on a hill or a mound), and for longer putts where you want to eliminate wind as it seems to cut out the wind quite well.
I struggle at times to get a throwing putter to go the distance. I’d be curious to maybe see some field work where you have targets at certain distances and talk about how you would get a putter, mid, fairway to those distances
What I started doing is recording the distance of every disc I have at 70-85% arm power and then throwing those discs at holes with about the same distance that I recorded so I won’t fall short or go too long. My .02
Loved the video! Would've loved to have seen what you thought about a logic. Some say they are a great throwing putter and I'm really curious to see and honest video review of them before I try it
Kinda missed on the Envy lab debriefing. It is available in 3 Electron plastics that are very neutral flyers. So, you have quite the spread available with this mold.
I use For backhand: R-Pro Aviar, Halo Aviar For forehand: SSSS Wizard, Halo Aviarx3. Honorable mention to the DD Judge! I throw my putters 250 feet comfortably and prefer putters to mids whenever possible.
Great vidja! Funny as I tagged Foundation, Hunter and you on Twitter asking what putters y'all used but for putting. I've been using the Judge as my go to putter. I think I want to try the atom and roach or luna before I settle on a putter for a season.
I'm thinking about trying an Aviar. Haven't thrown one before. I have a swirly Roach and exactly like you were saying, it a little difficult to figure out.
I carry 3 Envys. A max weight fission one that is slightly overstable, an eclipse that is kinda stable I use off the tee more than the other two, and a proton soft one that even though it's basically brand new flies like a beat in base plastic. Those are my throwing putters (excluding my zone and toro approach discs).
I like THIS, move up to approach disc, then mids, short fairways, long fairways and so on. This is a good concept for someone who hasn’t had the chance to throw a lot of disc’s and isn’t too thrilled with the ones they have…. Like me😂
Should've got some Gateway stuff. Their core in the circle putters are more well known but the Shaman, Chief, Chief OS, and Devil Hawk are top notch, and they make discs for like 6 companies so you also have Serpent, Scale, Stego, Bao Bab, Manzanita, Madrone, Short Cut to choose from.
Fortunately just found your channel right as you are getting started. I am brand new to disc golf. Love the form you use to throw these putters. I have told myself that if I can't throw a putter the way I want to, why would I be able to throw a distance driver any better? I am working with an Aviar and soon an Invader. Other than midrange that is all I am going to use to try to get to the basket and work on my form and distance, hopefully manipulating the throw will come in between that. You were driving standing still though, which I don't do, but maybe I will try to make things more simple. Would love to see this video done for other putters or even midrange and fairway drivers. I subbed to catch the next one
I have pa-5 for my hyzer flip or turnover throwing putter, and use a xt invader for most throwing putter shots, and then glow envy for the os thrower. And of course the glitch makes appearances here and there too
My throwing putters are the Pure, Envy, and a Mirage. Last one mostly for the name and because it's a nice get out of jail free card at times with some stupid shots I can do with it in scramble situations.
thing about the berg is that ts short but you are throwing arent throwing full power or even close(at least it looks that way).Its the closest to aneutral flight(even though its a tiny bit OS) and anyone can throw a forehand scramble roller with it. it is a 1 speed and lower glide compared to the others that arent. also most people are gonna carry a putting putter and throwing putter, the berg is like a support disc to those and a utility disc overall nobody has got a berg review right yet
I am really liking your channel. I like some of the foundation stuff, but I find that these casual throw and chats are really nice. It gives us an idea what a disc does and you are a great presenter.
Either Trevor’s wife or his alt TH-cam account
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For real though, love the content and the branching out
I've bagged Simon's music city open Proxy since he won that tournament and I absolutely love it. It has a very true to the release angle flight for me when I throw it hard but if I put less power behind it, it has a consistent overstable finish. I used to throw Envy, but the Proxy took over that slot for me. Loved the putter comparisons and enjoy the new chill vibes of the channel so far!
same bro
How would you compare the two molds?
The molds feel pretty similar in the hand. I used to throw the electron envys, but they beat in very quickly. Of course you can get higher quality plastics to prevent this from happening, but I presonally like the feel of the proxy in my hands more than envys. I'd say the envy feels slightly more deep in my hands than the proxy which is why I prefer the proxy myself. You really can't go wrong with either of them tbh, so I'd say give them both a feel test in the hand before buying one or the other because the feel is really what matters the most imo. @@sindrearnasjdahl9760
I really like the idea of a series of videos focused on a specific bag slot and breaking down 1) the shots they are used for 2) what types of discs can fit it and 3) how different discs can slightly change the way you use that slot. Some options are control driver, overstable mid range, max distance driver, tunnel shot / gap hitters, utility disc, forehand disc, turnover disc.
That show exists, its called In The Bag. It's a really good show
@@chrism4008 Great podcast, but not quite the same format - I think there is room for more of a field test focused on the slot and the shot. In the Bag generally focuses more on the actual discs themselves, helping people build bags, etc.
24:02 Trevor you should have used the watt instead of the envy cause it’s a neutral putter almost like a max weight glitch but definitely try the watt compared to the envy they are both in my bag but I putt with the envy and throw the watt when I need a disc that will just go on whatever line I need it to do forehand or backhand🤘🏻🤘🏻
Berg is also really good for forehand approaches, while other slower putters can be quite finicky. The bulky rim makes it quite torque-resistent and wont turn over unless you completely hammer it.
It does need some practice to get used to the grip though.
The commitment to "The Lab" did it for me! Great informative video Trevor. Have to love throwing putters!
Really appreciate the Monday morning videos. I watch/listen videos and podcasts during my drives and lunch workout and needed something monday for lunch workout and you are filling that for me! Enjoy the content as always
Awesome video. A lot of thought and work went into this. You didn't get lazy like most youtubers by only 2 or 3 discs then gloss over things. You gave every disc a fair shake, even going so far as to re-throw obvious shanks. Worth watching all 40 minutes!
I’m a little surprised the Luna didn’t get a look on this video, cuz I see a lot of people use the Luna for throwing putters like Anthony Barela and Paul McBeth (obviously) I have been using Lunas for throwing putters and they would fit nicely in that p2 spot. Glidy, stable disc that is actually very durable. Doesn’t lose its stability as quickly. I like the look of the Aviar though and will definitely give it a try! Thanks for the break down! 🙌🏼
Agreed, the Luna is money
He said in the summary that he didn't throw a Luna because it's too similar to the Roach.
Would like to have seen the Logic/Cosmic Fury in the selection.
I enjoyed this video. Also, the Maiden by Westside in the VIP plastic is a super underrated throwing putter.
My 1st putter is the judge.. but I'm only been in the sport for about a month, so I'm learning my beginners set
The Matty O maiden in tournament x plastic is the best throwing putter out right now. Especially if you have smaller hands. I feels super shallow in hand 🖐️
I love Maidens too but tournament plastic just slips out of my hand too often. I tried an experiment over a summer of field work and rounds with Maidens in Origio, BT Medium, BT Hard, Tournament and VIP and found that I consistently got the best distance and accuracy with BT Medium. This was a surprise - I expected the VIP or Tournament to have better distance but the BT Medium and even BT Hard were nearly always farther. I think it comes down to my grip. That's my hypothesis anyway.
Reko has been my jam for throwing putters. I've flipped back and forth between throwing Reko and Envy, and always have a k1 soft Berg close by for when I need a disc to 'plop' down.
My Rekos go where my Bergs can't reach. They glide considerably farther but my Berg is way more accurate and safe from overthrowing. Both live in my bag.
Envy 🤝🏻
Rekos are my absolute favorite!
K1 soft Brrrrrg ftw! Its a scramble machine and gives me so much confidence on those short but touchy upshots
Trevor! Innova invader is probably the most underrated throwing putter at the moment.
I love waking up on Mondays at 8am PST and seeing Trevor uploaded a new video.
I bag 3 putters for driving/upshots. Warden for most shots, Fierce if i need something reliably understable, and zone for reliably overstable.
I think this is your best video yet on this channel
These are great comparisons and really do help to see differences, similarities, pros and cons
I'm still basically a beginner and discovered early on that I get the most consistent throws with putters
Please do more of these
I'm using a Mercy here
I love Classic Blend Judges, I use a new one for throwing, beat in one for putting. They hold any line you put them on and fly true.
I have a K1 Soft berg that I absolutely love! But I do have some rules for it. 1. I never throw it off the tee. 2. I never throw it uphill unless I'm close and I know I can't make the putt. 3. I only throw it for like 100-150 fooupshots. I think in that slot specifically is where the berg can really shine, but it is definitely not the "Swiss army knife" you're looking for here
Going to give a star aviar a shot at the bag now.... Been using a opto pure forever now but want to try the aviar after this. Used to putt with 8 time aviars so should be pretty familiar... Love these laid back videos.
I like how you explain things like this and you explain everything so well and I learn a lot from you and keep up the good work
After buying a couple Westside Shields to try for putting, I ended up sticking with Wardens for putting and the Shields have become an amazing upshot and off the tee disc. They seem like they're just a touch more stable than your Roach. I also have an Envy which I can rip on a lot more when needed.
The Proxy and Pure are my favorite straight throwing putters. My max distance is 320 (woth control drivers) and the Pure and Proxy are the perfect amount of flip. They go straight for about 180-220 ft.
The PA-5 is money for turnover shots or softer approach shots where you still need a straight throw but the distance is short.
Big ups for re-throwing the unlucky shots, I see so many times in disc reviews bad/unlucky shots being used against discs.
Very big fan of this video.
Informative, but also just fun Trevor vibes while he plays.
Also: I use Praxis and PA5 and A5 for my throwing putters. ESP Zone if I need more bite and a little more distance.
Electron firm plastic adds a lovely amount of flip to the envy especially when beat in.
Really appreciate how you go back and re-throw less than ideal throws off the tee for a better comparison.
You nailed it. "This disc falls down quickly once it runs out of speed." This is the true power of the Berg. No redundant gliding.😆
BTW try FH rollers with it.
Really enjoyed this video! I also love throwing putters. My favourites between the once I’ve tried is pure, soft logic and glow rainmaker. I would love for you to try more putters and then go forward with mids and then fairways. Really good videos, keep em coming!
Perfect timing on this! I just aced our feature hole at my local tournament this weekend with the Envy and I’ve been swearing by it for so long! Really enjoyed the video!
sweating?
@@Picklemedia oops. Swearing* although I was sweaty too
Judge and Envy in my bag since 2018, i think at least from 2019. Amazing discs!
Thought space praxis has to be one of the best throwing putters out there as well, it’s one of the smoothest and just stable flying putters out there. I tell everyone they should try one out I highly recommend. Should give it a try Trevor
I bag 4 throwing Envy’s:
Electron Firm - Super beat in
Electron Firm - Not so beat in
Electron Soft - Practically brand new
Eclipse Glow - Very beat in, still has a bit of over stability
My throwing putters are Envy, Praxis, Spin (overstable, stable, understable). If i need something even more overstable than the envy i used to reach for a Star Aviar X3, but im currently trying out an Axiom Temple and Lone Star Artemis and loving both of those instead.
I really hope you get the opportunity to test the Sea Otter from Wilddiscs! I think you really will love it 😉 The lava and nuclear plastic are amazing!
Honestly... Your vibe and energy blindly discovering courses is Nice 👌
Really amazing video!!!! I throw 90% mvp/axiom and the envy is a very reliable disc. I have 3 of these things in my bag. The clear ones tend to be more overstable and I also have a fission which is understable and both make really good approach putters. I also drive with 1 for Short holes but I don't putt with them. I have a buddy that uses them for putting so these things are versatile for sure!!! 🎉
I was gonna say my neutron Envy flies nothing like his proton.
@@DGDirk yes neutron is not as overstable but still a really good disc. As soon as I saw him take it out I knew what was about to happen lol.
Really liking the content, would like to add that another good disc for this list is Pure from Latitude 64, based on how you threw in the video, I’d say it has the distance potensial of the envy and the stability of the judge. I don’t really have a lot of arm speed, but my Pure goes 300 feet easily and does that laser-straight the whole way.
The pure is a bit more understable than the Judge.
@@stevendeckert6373 Okay, I’ve never thrown the Judge so I woundn’t know, but thanks for the info. The pure I have, I can pretty much throw it as hard as I can and if I release it flat, it never turns and never fades. Perfect disc to have for long straight tunnels 👍🏻
This is a great episode. I only use putters and mids most of the time. Drivers just cause problems. Always interested in putter content. Upshot’s and scrambles are where I live.
For me it's all about the depth. I absolutely hate throwing the P2 despite how much everyone raves about it. I putt with a Pure and my thrower is an Orbit Pure.
Great info...particularly the discussion of going left with under stable discs and right with avertable ones...a concept a lot of newer folks don't understand. I know you were setting a realistic limit on how many you could test, but two other common throwing putters worth mentioning: The Rhyno and the Pure. My personal favorite throwing putter right now is pretty new, and not well known yet, but I really like it: the MVP Watt. It's like the midpoint between the Envy and the Glitch, a bit overstable and quite glidey.
The envy is nice but I prefer the proxy for this slot a bit more. It’s like an envy without the “bite” at the end. I think that makes it a bit more workable on more lines. It can hold a hyzer or anhyzer just as well. The envy is better for slight flex shots though. Cool vid man!
Glo proxy my favourite. Super neutral point and shoot. Very dependable also
I bag both. They compliment each other well. I also use the proxy more up in the mountains.
You definitely should add into this mix the prodigy A5 and then the P model US! Both are great throwing putters without being super overstable!
The MVP Watt is a good gadget disc as well. It has neutral numbers but I would say is closer to plus 1 stability than 0 in stability.
Berg is great for people who like to throw their approach shots with similar speed to their drives. I have not tried the Berg X but if you want a more stable version of the Berg and a little more shallow than try the Berg X.
Since I use putters and midranges for 90% of my shots I have 4 throwing putters.
Mvp Spin great hyzerflip disc, flies sorta like a fuse with less glide and less speed.
Envy as overstable putter.
Glitch holds any line for short throws with tons of glide and it's quite stable and I also use it for short straight shots with no fade with fan grip.
Berg shapes nicely too but with minimal glide which means less movement to the side at least on anhyzers. Amazing for forehands and short hyzers approaches and spike hyzers, it usually comes in slow and sticks the landing. (K1 soft)
The envy for me has been so money. For backhand tee shots, forehand and backhand approach shots, and simple putting, it’s my favourite approach disc in my bag
Too bad about the Double G Aviar. I’m a Seminole, but it’s hard not to like GG.
I’ve collected a lot of discs, but with a max distance of 290’, putters don’t work for me off the tee. I do use them as approach discs from about 150’ in. I would say you do need a neutral flyer (I bag a Judge). It’s nice to have a point and shoot. I use an Envy, mostly for windy conditions. I use putters when I want it to land fairly late and not get a ton of ground play.
Thanks for your video. It got me thinking and I’ll have to pull out the P2 and Berg to re-examine what they do.
After years of putting struggles, a friend of mine turned me on to Legacy Clutches and Clozers. I've never looked back.
Great video. I loved hearing what you expected to happen before the throw and then hearing your commentary.
Threw the Berg until 2 months ago when i switched to Logic , and the reason are very similiar to how you described the Berg in the review👍👍 great stuff
Fierce Pierce is always my go to for upshots and putting. Keep the AWESOME videos coming. I'm definitely enjoying your content!
A personal favorite for me is a premium plastic sensei by discmania, it’s one that I throw a lot for longer upshots and off the tee if I think its one I can reach with a putter. I also have a berg for those touchier upshots
Thanks for the content, was hoping to hear your opinion on the judge and that was very well said. I putt with a classic blend and love throwing them too. You're one of few people I see throwing them and as much as I love the pros the cons you brought up are accurate. My thought is you have to focus on the follow through to be sure on the line. If you can throw a judge you can throw anything
Ive been enjoying the prodiscus Origo. It feels like a less deep p2 and is nice and straight even in premium plastic
The Origo in Basic plastic is more like a Pure but shallower, releases really clean with a forehand low power flick 👌🏻
Jokeri FTW
I had premium origo and it was really nice flying neutral putter.
@@footfaultdiscgolf Sparta ftw
Good video. We all know the Judge has complete jurisdiction on and near every green ! Gateway Magic waves the wand from anywhere.
Just started the vid. No issues with the putters you picked, just wanted to say pure opto is my absolute favorite throwing putter. (Bh only)
I don’t like deep putters . I’ve been using a gateway shaman and am having good luck up to 220 feet. I switch to an Envy for a little farther throw. I like what you are doing.
Want shallower discs with similar flights? Try the Innova Colt if you like the less stable flight of the Roach that was thrown. Try the Infinite Tomb if you want a similar flight to the Avair,or Judge that were thrown.
I have not thrown the Gateway Chief or the Chief OS but I know they are shallower than many discs.
Great vid Trev, I just added an envy to my bag still haven't used it much but excited more for it now, my putters right now are the luna and watt and just really love em right now.
Love my Judge and I can throw it around 250ft. Helped me improve my form as a beginner. Unfortunately it suffered the same fate as your Aviar but I also forgot to pick it up.
I bag Jawbreaker Roach and K1 Soft Berg as my throwing putters (and ESP and Z Zones). Love the flights and way they feel in my hand
Long time aviar user, putting and throwing. Stuck with it because of availability and different plastics. Use a 165 gram champion plastic for form work and base plastic ones
I use a slightly beat in ti zone for up shots and short tees. Then i use a berg for shorter shots trying to run the basket
Very bold to wear the broncos hat for this weeks video, respect.
If you want a phenomenal neutral throwing putter for shot shaping, I cannot recommend the TSA Praxis enough. The newest aura run (turtle stamp) feels AMAZING and has a little bit of extra stability so it should beat in amazingly. It flies like a beefy Pure with a very similar handfeel to the Pure. Delicious.
I do love the Praxis! I have recently switched to a Love Putter, but I’ll never say goodbye to the Praxis.
Thanks for not overwhelming us with too much info. So will the next video cover which putter is best for interpretive dance? Not sure what I want in that slot yet. Thanks Trevor!!!
Now I want to go out and have a putter only round. I have a sling bag for when I don't want to carry my full bag....so I've loaded some putters into it and will try a putter only round this week.
Eclipse Envy: perfect long throwing putter. I can almost throw it like a driver. The eclipse holds it from turning and burning through a lotta rip.
Absolutely love my sky god 4 p2. I’ve been having more and more throw ins from 100~ lately with that disc specifically cuz like you said, it’s just soo predictable and such a beautiful flight
Love the content. Keep them coming, please. I have improved my game tremendously from some of your tips and advice on discs and function. Thank you for changing my game 👍
I just found this channel. Great video for starters. The Berg is a disc that you prob not going to be able to over-torque. Don't be afraid to tear into it. That Cash disc I'll be checking out soon. Thanks for the vid.
I love trying new putters! I just bought some Cash putters because of this video, thanks!
I'm bagging Pure and Dart. 3 of each in putter plastic (Zero Medium / R-Pro) and 1 off each in premium (Gold / Champion)
I started throwing my aviar recently. Very straight flying! I also throw a harp but a lot of people do haha
Bergs are most useful for approach shots where you don’t want it to roll (for example on a hill or a mound), and for longer putts where you want to eliminate wind as it seems to cut out the wind quite well.
I appreciate all the hard work you put in for us trevor. You're awesome!
I struggle at times to get a throwing putter to go the distance. I’d be curious to maybe see some field work where you have targets at certain distances and talk about how you would get a putter, mid, fairway to those distances
What I started doing is recording the distance of every disc I have at 70-85% arm power and then throwing those discs at holes with about the same distance that I recorded so I won’t fall short or go too long. My .02
Loved the video! Would've loved to have seen what you thought about a logic. Some say they are a great throwing putter and I'm really curious to see and honest video review of them before I try it
Great video! Lots of information, great and fair comparison. Really like this type of video! Maybe do something similar with mids etc.?
Kinda missed on the Envy lab debriefing. It is available in 3 Electron plastics that are very neutral flyers. So, you have quite the spread available with this mold.
I love throwing Lunas- they go so far
I use
For backhand: R-Pro Aviar, Halo Aviar
For forehand: SSSS Wizard, Halo Aviarx3.
Honorable mention to the DD Judge!
I throw my putters 250 feet comfortably and prefer putters to mids whenever possible.
I have an Electron Firm Envy and it’s dead straight. Also I recently started throwing a skygod 4, with big hands the deep rim feels amazing
Great vidja! Funny as I tagged Foundation, Hunter and you on Twitter asking what putters y'all used but for putting. I've been using the Judge as my go to putter. I think I want to try the atom and roach or luna before I settle on a putter for a season.
The Pure. Everyone should try it imho.
It does glide a LOT tho.
I ace with my pure more than any other disc
My most used disc by far.
I'm thinking about trying an Aviar. Haven't thrown one before. I have a swirly Roach and exactly like you were saying, it a little difficult to figure out.
I carry 3 Envys. A max weight fission one that is slightly overstable, an eclipse that is kinda stable I use off the tee more than the other two, and a proton soft one that even though it's basically brand new flies like a beat in base plastic. Those are my throwing putters (excluding my zone and toro approach discs).
Well done sir. Macbeth and his brother filmed here before...cool course
I like THIS, move up to approach disc, then mids, short fairways, long fairways and so on. This is a good concept for someone who hasn’t had the chance to throw a lot of disc’s and isn’t too thrilled with the ones they have…. Like me😂
I love throwing them Zones for upshot’s it’s just so easy. I’m using Ace Line P-Model for throwing putters I don’t know how I feel about them though.
Should've got some Gateway stuff. Their core in the circle putters are more well known but the Shaman, Chief, Chief OS, and Devil Hawk are top notch, and they make discs for like 6 companies so you also have Serpent, Scale, Stego, Bao Bab, Manzanita, Madrone, Short Cut to choose from.
Fortunately just found your channel right as you are getting started. I am brand new to disc golf. Love the form you use to throw these putters. I have told myself that if I can't throw a putter the way I want to, why would I be able to throw a distance driver any better? I am working with an Aviar and soon an Invader. Other than midrange that is all I am going to use to try to get to the basket and work on my form and distance, hopefully manipulating the throw will come in between that. You were driving standing still though, which I don't do, but maybe I will try to make things more simple.
Would love to see this video done for other putters or even midrange and fairway drivers. I subbed to catch the next one
I have pa-5 for my hyzer flip or turnover throwing putter, and use a xt invader for most throwing putter shots, and then glow envy for the os thrower. And of course the glitch makes appearances here and there too
The Sportneer bag from the XCom starter pack challenge is coming in clutch
I highly recommend the Proton Atom for that spot. It’s amazing. No one ever uses it but it’s money
Wham-O 86 softy true zero speed
My throwing putters are the Pure, Envy, and a Mirage. Last one mostly for the name and because it's a nice get out of jail free card at times with some stupid shots I can do with it in scramble situations.
thing about the berg is that ts short but you are throwing arent throwing full power or even close(at least it looks that way).Its the closest to aneutral flight(even though its a tiny bit OS) and anyone can throw a forehand scramble roller with it. it is a 1 speed and lower glide compared to the others that arent. also most people are gonna carry a putting putter and throwing putter, the berg is like a support disc to those and a utility disc overall
nobody has got a berg review right yet