I thank the brave people of UK for sacrificing themselves to show the rest of Europeans how quiting the EU is a terrible idea, their example serves to discourage others
We Brits of a more individual self-respecting kind can live with that. We achieved what made our past so noteworthy by our creative enterprising efforts across the WORLD. Europe can look to itself and hope that its incessant conflicts and diplomatic failings can be limited by the political intentions of "The Project" across the continent.
“Creative enterprising efforts across the world” = Murder and maiming in the colonies, feeding its wealth by stealing from impoverished countries. That era is gone, will never return.
@@bbwblk Pity the London mayor is a POS. So many UK problems can be found nesting in London thanks to his inadequate leadership and focus on agendas that don't serve the people who elected him. He's the Justin Trudeau of GB.
@@bbwblk "THE" hub...? Is that why nobody cares about the British Pound other than... Well. Britain? Considering this title slips between their and American hands constantly, and the fact that USD is generally more cared about, I think I will disagree here.
@@bbwblk Thats New York kid and one of the major player (not a unique status) and falling every year, India just took Your spot didnt it? but dont let Your exceptionalism stop You for making a fool out of yourself
Britain after the brexit referendum was a collective therapy for most people outside UK. It’s so calming to know that there is an entire country of people messed themselves up more than I do.
§50 of the EUropean Constitution offers the chance for any member to leave. When there is a chance, we all know that someone will make use of it at some time. The Brits did offer to be the first to take one on the chin for the rest, and now every other country can see what it means. Thank you, UK - no Schadenfreude here, but better you than us 😉😏
I'm ashamed to admit that I didn't vote in the referendum. Mainly because I, foolishly, trusted the British public not to be bloody stupid. They definitely proved me wrong, didn't they? I learned my lesson, though, and have voted in practically everything since.
It wasn't the entire country., it was 16.8 million who were duped and chose not to see past the lies they were fed I'm a Brit and I'm ashamed of what happened. Much of it was driven by underlying racism but much of it was well-orchestrated preying by big money-men on the section of society who are less well-off, with less to lose (or so they thought) and who, statistically, are the less educated and, as such, were the easiest to manipulate with lies. I hope that doesn't sound trite but it's the truth of what happened. Make them angry, tell them it's not their fault that they don't have everything they want in life, point them towards an 'enemy' as the reason for their failures and promise them that if the 'enemy' is defeated, everything will be better. It's a tried and tested formula throughout history. All the facts and stats and numbers and predictions were available beforehand but the 17m were convinced to call it 'project fear' or 'fake news'. They were conned. It was a horrible and shameful thing to have happened but I do hope you wonderful Europeans learn from what happened here and never make the same mistake. We're so much better off when we stick together.
I feel like the plan for Brexit was "to own the libs" from people not realizing they don't live in the US. The other view is that it's a complete success for the richest power brokers in society, who now no longer have to worry about disclosing their wealth to the EU by turning the UK into their own little tax haven.
The UK reminds me of those fish at the end of Finding Nemo, that finally manage to escape the dentist’s office, and after celebrating for a bit, they find themselves bagged in the ocean, completely fucked, and asking “now what?”
As an eastern european I know lots of people working and living in the UK. I don't know of a single one that came back because of Brexit. The fun fact is that most of them support Brexit...
In academia, where UK was the second most influential country besides France, it felt like UK was holding us back from cooperating with Warsaw and other eastern unis, and even Belgrade and other non-European universities (Maghreb especially). I think it was to keep some power, as Italy academics have a lot of influence over Belgrade, and Germany over eastern Europe and Turkey. And France over Maghreb. Now, we lost a lot of good research teams, I'm not gonna lie, it hurt, but we cooperate a lot more than we use to, and a lot better. Also, we all speak Globbish and understand each other better than when UK was there and we all tried to have a good accent. I left academia recently, so I don't know if the trend continues, but it seems the UK was holding us back.
Unfortunately, your assessment is pretty inaccurate, the previous UK Governments were very pro-Europe and helped it to become what is today. Brexit also had elements of what a lot of people in other countries felt but the head of the spear was the UK, with its immigration issues. A lot of changes in EU thinking came from Brexit and ofc the recent Ukraine-Russia war. Actually drove the EU to be what the UK wanted more spending on the military and less process.
Corona virus spending borrowing, Ukraine war spending were not present when UK was part of the EU, so saying Brexit was a mistake is absolutely nonsense. Secondly, until UK can sign the trade deals with other countries of the world Brexit will look like a mistake. So Brexit haters need to think logically before opening their mouth.
When Sunak said the people of Northern Ireland are now in the enviable position of being in both the EU single market and the UK single market. He hit the nail on the head. That was the position the whole of the UK was in prior to Brexit!
Do you understand how the US works? The US works because it’s 50 markets united in common by the federal government. The size and population of the US are actually quite similar to the EU as a whole. The US is so rich because it’s basically just the EU but even more centralized and with even less autonomy. The US was always going to be wealthier than the UK and EU as a whole for many reasons (immigration vs. Native populations, youthful population, single language), but the main reason for the size of the divide is that the US is so much wealthier because it stands united. Yeah, the US trades with the whole world, but unlike the UK it does it from a position of strength. The UK is just a tiny insignificant island that barely registers on the world stage. The US is an entire continent plus several islands. New England (a small region of the US) is the same size as old England.
@@dominicgordon4774 The US is superior to the EU because there is a common language and culture in the US. The US, right after the American Revolution, was much smaller than the British Empire it left behind (it only had 13 colonies aka states at first), but because of good leadership and English political institutions was able to grow into a world power. The UK is now in a similar position to the one the US faced right after the American Revolution, and it should act accordingly.
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 it really isn’t a second revolution. The UK can’t just expand across a continent. Besides, the 13 colonies alone are much more massive than the UK. It’s hard to really put to scale the size of the US. The UK is weak and it’s only declining over time. That’s why people are regretting Brexit, because they can’t do shit. Besides, calling Americans a nation with a common culture or language isn’t really the case over American history. We have a common ideology (classical liberalism) but we all come from different nations. You’re odd here if you have one ethnicity. We have more Irish than Ireland and more Jews than Israel. The UK may have a recent history of immigration, but it is nothing like the US. Immigration is really what drives the US, because people growing up in a country are likely going to be a bit lazier than people that had to fight for scraps just to get a chance at a “New World”. Immigration is a selection game for risk-takers and tough people. It’s why Americans are by far the most productive people on the planet. The common language thing is even kinda recent. German was widely spoken up until the world wars. The first native born US President spoke Dutch as his first language. The US is really rich because of its diversity in both geography and culture. It’s hard not to dominate the globe when you have people from every single background imaginable. The UK has its empire, but it’s still got a English only population that dominates its culture and honestly weakens it economically. You can’t declare independence like the US. UK can declare independence like one of the developing countries that split off from it, but UK can’t be the US. Brexit cut it off from the admittedly weaker but best case scenario for the UK, joining the EU. Join the shittier US, otherwise known as the EU, UK, it’s really your only hope. Join a diverse entity with a large geographic base built around a classical liberal ideology.
@@dominicgordon4774 I think you are right, and the 2. world war did not help to unite Europe and its resources. The US shows that it is easier to build something up from the beginning, than to unite different countries
So the EU what has sovereignty!!! Sophie Morris by Rupert Murdoch and Farage Boris Johnson!,, Why are you voting for Farage and the reform party do you want to lose more jobs Virgin flight morons
To be fair EU did look pretty bad at certain points but now its worlds 3rd superpower with usa and china. UK just missed the forest for the trees. I think the real sad part is that 48% wanted to stay with their european brothers.
Along with many many others who campaigned for it or have even left... I hear even the recent Brexit Advantages Secretary along with offshoring his businesses to Ireland has now claimed an EU passport
People asking to rejoin continue to not understand how it works: being part of the EU doesn't depend only of their votes, the opinion of the other countries matter. It's not only in the hands of the Brits unlike the leave vote.
European citizen here. I would love for the UK to join in eventually, maybe in 20 or 30 years. But right now? Absolutely not. I want them back only once they become genuinely invested in the European projects and interested in cooperating with others.
Yeah but the EU does stand to gain by the UK rejoining, especially in light of the Ukraine War. The UK has sent more aid to Ukraine then any EU member, their defense industry is the largest in Europe (with the Russian corruption and embezzlement the UK's defense spending may actually eclipse even Russia's real military funding), they have a pretty strong diplomatic network both inside and outside of the EU, they have more bases around the world than any EU member, they have a strong financial sector and the largest stock market in Europe, and one of the more important things is they have tons of desperately needed gas and oil (they've got more gas reserves than any EU member and have one of the worlds largest oil companies). The UK is also arguably the 2nd most important country to NATO and as we've seen time and time again the EU is useless as a peacekeeping organization and the UN is largely incapable of protecting people but NATO isnt. The fact that some EU members like Hungary and Germany are unwilling to take a strong stance against Russia only makes NATO even more important. Those are just the new things that have come up to incentivize the UK to be approved to rejoin if they applied. There's also the old reasons pre Ukraine War like a united Europe, a larger market, more varied goods and services, free trade between the UK and mainland Europe, and better access to jobs and schools in the UK (the UK still has some of the worlds best universities). That all benefits the EU, especially in the face of Russian aggression, Chinese imperialism, and manipulation by both of those countries. Brexit definitely hurt both the UK and EU, and pissed off the EU members a ton but things have changed massively around the world since the 2016 Brexit vote. I'm not saying that the EU members would all forgive and forget Brexit at the drop of a hat, but they have many reasons to allow the UK to rejoin. Realpolitik is usually more important than opinions when it comes to things like this so I'd wager most would be willing to bury the hatchet provided the UK gives some assurance they arent going to change their minds and leave again or cause another headache like the constant changes to Brexit
And why would the EU not want the UKs money? Not that its going to happen, rejoining after a couple of years would be like getting back with your ex after 6 months thinking everything can just return to how it was. Its naive thinking.
The "let's rejoin" sentiment, in the typical British approach to the EU, overlooks a very significant detail. While it's you and only you decides whether to leave, there are almost 30 others who have to UNANIMOUSLY agree to let you (re)join. And we have not forgotten the shenanigans when the UK was a member. Also, the Bregret will disappear as soon as the UK does a bit better, because the fundamental issue is still there: the superiority complex that a lot of British have.
The "We won't want you" sentiment, in the typical TH-cam Commenter approach to Brexit is a very significant deal. While it's you and only you decides whether to post retarded bullsh*t, there are almost 30 actual countries led by governments who will unanimously agree to let the UK rejoin. And that's because they're not retarded high schoolers who hold a grudge against others - they're countries that would be happy to have better relations with another country.
*IF* the UK does a bit better. The view from the inside is not promising. The UK could just keep declining for centuries, stranger things have happened, especially as the other member-countries of the UK jump ship. And, thanks to the UK, if the UK never manages to get it's debt to GDP ratio within acceptable parameters then outside and terminally declining it will stay
@@DaDARKPass The UK hasn't come out of *anything* stronger since 1858. Since then it's just been cannibalising parts of empire and the industrial revolution in order to appear as though it's not rotting into obscurity without interruption. There were things that could have been done, dividends that could have been reinvested but weren't, but now? What demand can the UK fill better than anyone else?
You lot believed Nigel Farage while it was obvious what a scam artist he was. Now you are left to sit on the blisters while Farage is sitting on his fortune and laughing at you.
@@Ju5tBU The real irony is that it was never "common" as in plentiful but common as in of low standing, coarse or base like "commoners." A bit like saying "even a caveman would know better." Of course word use changes over time and these overtones get lost along the way.
The metaphor of a cat sitting in front of a door, wanting out but not leaving when you open the door, still holds. Now the cat left 30 seconds ago and wants back in.
Brexit is like a reverse Jurassic Park: there was so much debate in the UK over whether or not it SHOULD leave the EU, they never stopped to consider whether or not it COULD.
As a European it’s also interesting to observe the increase of efficiency of the EU since Brexit. From this point of view, à come back of the UK may not be a good idea 😉
@@davidlewis4399 the lastest corruption as you said is a good thing that it comes out , and is PUNISHED :) . Corruption is everywhere , what's matter is that consequences are put behind that behavior.
Agreed - the EU will not want them back. They have figured out an algorithm that works without the UK, so why shake the boat? Britain made its bed and now we can all watch it fluff the pillows and lay down in it.
Everytime i think its just the US in chaos, i see another country to stand up to the plate and realize "yeah people are weird everywhere" thats some comforting chaos.
About the UK re-joining the EU: The UK was not a loyal partner and it will be difficult for the EU to trust them again. I wouldn't have any reservations about Scotland though, since they were forced out against their will. The Scots will be more than welcome to join the EU.
Rejoining sounds like showing up in Brussels, expecting everybody to let bygones be bygones. A reformed UK might try to join, but pigs will take to the air before the English will be welcome on the Continent.
Me in 2016: This is a terrible idea. Me in 2023: This was a terrible idea. Brexit was always going to be a disaster. A lot of people were just too stupid and/or misled to realise it.
If we did ask to join EU, there will be a higher bar to enter now. The EU were frustrated by UK being that awkward exception all the time. Now they would certainly expect us to fully integrate (e.g. adopt the Euro, fewer exceptions on freedom of movement etc...).
It's almost like every single problem economists predicted the UK would have by leaving the EU was correct. But hey, you got your "sovereignty" back, congrats.
Good luck to the 27 american puppet countries borrowing 18billion euros to give it to Ukraine to buy yet more hses in the UK, US and Europe oh sorry i cannot say that😱 it is of course for yet more futile weapons for the joke Zelensky regime. Knkwing that they have already laundered billions on behalf of grandpa Biden ( FTX sound familiar). Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe so a perfect place for EU handouts 😱
@@Eavolution_ I mean that's the weirdest thing to me, right from day one NI was completely ignored...even in name! (Brexit rather than UKexit) I wonder if all the NI protocol nonsense might just trigger reunification at some point in the future...
Most Conservative Brexiteers never really believed in Brexit, but UKIP had to be stopped from splitting the vote and letting Labour in. Amber Rudd is right, after a few drinks, Tory Brexiteers will admit it has been a disaster, and after a few more they will admit they knew it would be from the start. However, it has kept Labour out of office and served it's purpose, to the great detriment to the economy.
Not just Brexit splitting the vote, but stopping the ERG and sympathizers schism-ing the Tory party even further. Which amounts to the same thing, really. The Worst Prime Minister In History rolled the dice on a referendum he thought was an easy win to solve some annoying short term political issues. Despite HAVING ALMOST LOST ANOTHER ONE IN SCOTLAND TWO YEARS EARLIER!!
@@thetruth4116 It's a weird way of looking at it. It was put at risk by the Conservatives to keep the Conservatives in power. UK politics is largely a 2 party system, with Labour and Conservatives being the two major parties, if Conservatives had lost power, Labour would have gained it.
It’s worrying that people voted for it in the first place thinking it was a good idea, but it’s genuinely baffling that any people STILL think it was a good idea after everything that has happened. What is wrong with those people.
They suffer from the mental disorder known as denialism. Which is actually the 1st stage of death. They then quickly go onto the 2nd stage of anger whenever anyone shows them the facts on why Brexit was never a good idea.
I watch Dutch news channels and although the Dutch MEPs do miss the UK representatives in some cases (like financial regulation where we think similarly) there’s a degree of relief that the UK had gone. Time isn’t being wasted on petty arguments, and appeasing the UK, and the EU parliament and committees function better now. There was a worry at the start that once the UK left things would be harder but counties are working together better without the divisions either caused or exacerbated by the UK delegation. We can’t assume that the EU would welcome us back even if we wanted to rejoin, and if we did I don’t believe we would have as much power nor our rebates. Rejoining isn’t a current option so we should be dealing with the fall out of brexit first before wasting energy on that campaign
All the more surprising as the Dutch are probably the continentals closest culturally to the British. The Netherlands benefited a lot from Brexit, with British businesses relocating there so as to gain a foothold in the SM.
personally i think that even if the reapplied EU wouldn't want them because unlike before Brexit the UK was adding a good amount of both political and financial power now both of those have fallen plus i think the EU would want to make an example of the UK if they reapplied by most likely saying that any laws that the UK was exempt from now apply.
The EU would be insane to accept Britain back. If a nation could just leave the EU and return to it without issue, then what is to stop literally any EU country from using the threat of leaving as leverage to force the EU parliament to give them concessions during legislative negotiation?
Instead, Poland and the Baltics are arguing with Germany over sending tanks to Ukraine and arguing with France about boycotting the Olympics. Meanwhile, UK sends tanks to Ukraine and takes a stance on the Olympics. No dithering, the UK just gets on and does things. That’s why we left
Brexit is a wonderful soothing tonic! It raises my morale, bolsters my confidence in my own grasp of current affairs, not to mention my understanding of economics, and it confirms my sanity - simply because it is going exactly as predicted.
You forgot to mention, sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites. Leaving was about self governance, empowering the UK to make its own decisions. It does not set in stone what those decisions must be, it's back in the hands of the UK public and not in the hands of or shackled to Brussels.
Tbh, blaming Brexit for the current situation does seem to be a bit of magical thinking. I lived in London 2012-2016, situation clearly was not optimal. UK decided to turn itself into a purely financial services economy, build 0 houses, gut public services and seemed chronically incapable of any infrastructure. Brexit shaved of at most 0.5% of GDP/year, the UK could has a young growing population and a strong skills base, it could be doing much better, but it decided to just keep on the same shitty things.
@@liofalba The UK fucked up as it is. Housing is way to expensive throughout the whole country, non existing social care system, non existing health care and non existing workers right. I've moved to Germany 4 years ago and its about 1000x better here. Sick pay is mandatory (your full wage, not 50 pounds a week), 0 hour contracts are illegal, health care is in a whole another league and if you lose your job, you'll get 60-80% of your wage and get access to the free education system. This means that you can become a certified electrician, machine builder or something useful, not like in the UK where they provide dental assistant, secretary and other nonsense courses. I personally never had to use any of these options, but it's there if anything bad happens.
@@deanfromhungary for sure, the problem with Brexit/EU obsessives is that the UK’s problems are of it’s own making and unlikely to be fixed by either major party which are filled to be brim with idiots and even worse, mediocrities.
I think Europe also became way more united and responsive because the UK as a anti-eu obstacle went away. If the UK wants to rejoin, we must make sure they don't end up blocking again. Them having to join the Euro to show they are serious about the EU is a must.
@fabvz5436 For me, that's a Purley symbolic act of saying, "This time, we really mean it with the EU and want to give up a chunk of our sovereignty and be a progressive and leading force within the EU" Don't forget to join the euro a country needs to fulfill certain criteria, the UK would obviously fulfill all criterias, the only reason they didn't join the euro bsck then was a special deal because the UK wanted to keep more sovereignty. Either commit or stay out.
UK as a member of the EU: "the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare, unable to sort anything out in a timely manner. EU after UK left: EU is more agile and able to respond to various crisis in a somewhat timely manner. UK outside of EU: is a bureaucratic nightmare unable to sort anything out in a timely manner. I think we found why the EU always felt impotent, and the infection voluntarily extracted itself to make the body healthy again.
Im glad they cut us off, now if the UK can wake up and stop putting power in the hands of fraudsters maybe we can fix the nation(s) after the huge mess the tories have been cooking for the last 13 Years or so.
You are having a laugh, right? If it wasn't for the UK's intervention with NLAWs, while the EU sat on their hands, Putin would have been in Kyiv within a week. And that is not my opinion, it is that of the US military.
As an Indian, a country that inherited most of its current bureaucratic structure from our former colonists, the state of things does not surprise me at all. There is a case to be made for similar inefficiencies within the Indian administration as well. Even in 2016, it was obvious to me that the UK's misgivings with the EU are a matter of their own actions, perspective and preferences and not the EU member states. Rejoining the EU, even if they did welcome the UK with open arms, will do nothing to solve their political woes and their self proclaimed frustrations with government, administration and politics.
@@vishrutbansal2535 Didn't know that India inherited much of the Bureaucracy from Britain. But it does make sense that the British would leave one last "reminder" of themselves whit you. To me it seems that Britain needs to abolish the Monarchy (to leave all the mess in the past), reform into an Republic, write a new Constitution and introduce proportional Elections.
Brexit to me is the “This is fine” meme. The UK economy seems to be worse off post brexit yet many in government are still nose diving into that dumpster fire for some reason.
This is what happens when ordinary people are made to think they're better than the experts. 80 percent economists predicted brexit would be a disaster. What I would also say is, being informed is also very important and making informed decisions are important, don't make any decisions based on half truths
@@bobbysox897 Ever consider you’re exactly who he’s talking about: one of those who are convinced they know better than the stats, reports, realities and long-term forecasts?
The biggest problem, is people kept voting to leave over and over. After the referendum came the EU election, and the brexit party got the highest votes, then came the 2019 election and obviously borris wanted brexit. There were 3 big chances to remain and the public kept voting to leave, and I would not be surprised if there's a 4th chance in the future, and people still vote to leave. Some people just never want to change their minds, because they are stuck with their own opinions.
No one regrets Brexit. The globalist elite in charge of this nation have simply refused to follow through as they grow rich from flooding this nation with cheap labour at the expense of the people . The globalist elite running the EU are the enemy of the people and you supporting them makes you a shill. The economy is under stain for allot more than just brexit.
@@shinankoku2 His source is the IMF - he's just being disingenuous by _only_ showing the Q1 2022 figures. Q2, Q3, Q4 and so far Q1 2023 have been a steady, pronounced, decline into recession. Worst performing advanced economy _in the world_ right now, even worse than sanction-hit Russia.
Indeed. Like that Pratt on newsnight saying it will improve after a generation. How? By magic? If there’s no plan for success then failure is the most likely option.
@@emilymcplugger Also, the fact that the plan needed a whole generation before things are as good as or better than living in the EU (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL) it wasn't a very good plan. (Indeed, there wasn't one)
Round and round, we all go back on that day, after the referendum, when a flabbergasted journalist relayed the answer he got from a prominent Brexiteer to the obvious "you won, what now?" question: "I don't know, the government should have a plan. It's their job, not mine. Ask them!"
@CrazyDinosaur I'm English and I'm starting to wonder if it was ever something we should've been in in the first place. I can imagine it works better now.
I'm getting a feeling that what made EU bureaucratic before Brexit, was the Britons toxic participation in the EU. If Britain was to apply, would be very interesting to see if we Europeans still considered British version of democracy and the rule of law would fulfil the Copenhagen Criteria of qualifying to join.
I loved the videos immediately after Brexit showing businesses who voted for Brexit suddenly realised they completely pwned themselves cause they didn't realise how their entire business model depended on what being in the EU provided
@@-Duo What a nice person you are! How is Joe and Hunter? Inflation is still higher under Biden (Bidenomics) great eh, world is laughing at America at the moment, those red hat voters have been fully vindicated. I think it's hilarious you blaming Trump still when Biden has been in nearly three years, just like you keep blaming the Russians for your own corrupt politicians.
@@-Duo The thing with Trump's tariffs was that they were based on the assumption that it would increase domestic demand, without bothering to check this with people who actually understand economy, such as economists. However, the assumption was also that Biden would do away with the tariffs, and he didn't - at least, not the Chinese ones. If anything, he increased them. And that is not for economic, but for geopolitical reasons. The thing is that Europe and North America largely operate on the same principles, and our economies are intertwined enough that hurting each other's economies is just a bad idea. Plus, Europe is unlikely to threaten North America, and vice verse. (When I say "Europe", this obviously does not include Moscow.)
Ehh? This is nothing but left wing tripe🤣 nobody cares about brexit now and these polls are washed out with wokist leftist and DO NOT reflect the public vote. The EU is dead it's morphing into the WEF as we speak😂
Well, maybe the EU is working more efficient now BECAUSE the UK is out? Let's be honest: The UK never was fully committed the the ideas and principles of the EU , especially free movement (not a Schengen member) or the Euro as a single currency. As one of the former "big 4" (GER, FRA, ITA, UK), the UK was often the most conservative player, slowing down the integrations process. I think the EU should use the "spanner not in the works" situation to reform itself.
@@Oppenheimer.J.Robert Yes, you are right, some of them were "raisins picking in the EU" and complaining about everything. I love Italy and I am happy, that there are no strict borders between us!
Still puzzled by all the business owners who didn’t understand basic concepts like the common market and customs union and how leaving would gut their businesses. They should have known they were threatening their own livelihoods. But they didn’t. I mean htf did they build up a business in the first place. That eel farmer on the BBC a year or two ago. Miserably wondering how he was going to survive after losing his customer base in France and Italy. It’s so bizarre.
No, it isn't. Because a class of degenerated toffs are the upper echelons. Not because of merit, but because of inheritances and knowing the right people. So...maybe Brexit will be a good thing for the UK weeding out the incompetent, so new people can take the place. It will make a third country a third world country (check for the original meaning being unaffiliated to either west or eastern block). But hey, they got exactly what they voted for.
An indirect consequence of leaving the EU is more expensive exports to non EU markets, making UK goods less competitive. For example, the English cheese monger I go to here in Canada gets a selection of cheeses from an EU wholesaler, and within a shipment he would chose a variety of UK cheeses. Since Brexit, there are fewer UK cheeses available from the EU exporter and they're more expensive. It's cost prohibitive to order directly from the UK and therefore UK businesses lose international customers.
the ones who got a grip on reality are paying now taxes in the EU....and have EU workers, with EU workers rights...! must be terrifying fore them to not hire and fire anymore, they got used to it since 2021!
"We told you so!" - Entirety of EU and most of the world. We warned Brits for years that Brexit is a terrible, dumb idea. Loudly. And repeatedly. We were ignored or accused of fearmongering. Well, at least it should be a good lesson for others.
Nationalism and Old!Money is so ingrained in the British consciousness that the ONLY thing to help end it is to turn the entire Island into chemical-ash or let France finally conquer their old enemy who was delving into some serious forbidden taboos!
To be fair the vote to leave was pretty close, like 52%/48% so at least 48% of the UK are also saying "we told you so" and a hell of a lot of people who did vote for brexit now regret it. I think the majority of the UK now knows it was a bad idea.
@@pjs232 10 or 20 was pretty close ,but it was a lot more than that and do we Brexiteers get "Brownie" points for getting our idle asses out of bed that day in 2016 and actually voting unlike some that didn"t vote and have moaned ,cried , and whinged about it since ?. Have a nice Brexit .
as a EU citizen who looked at brexit with dismay and bitter taste, even if UK wanted back I don't think we should allow it. there are some deep seeded attitude problems in the UK. people should come to terms with that and fix it, before you even get the opportunity to re-join. I'd be extremely dissapointed if my country wouldn't veto against UK rejoining
You have to remember that 48% of us wanted to remain. Half of the country. That is millions of people so please don't tar us all with the same brush. Most people I know who voted leave only did it cause they were lied to anyway!
@@Holly23121997 i appreciate what you're saying, hence why i said fix the attitude issues. Mind you its not like the EU is THE best thing since sliced bread... looking at you Germany... As for the 48%... that percentage will diminish if scotland breaks away... more drama there. Bottom line, wish you all the best Holly, but i don't think I'm alone in my line of thinking
@Voroniel tbf the population of Scotland is under 6 million, England alone is around 56 million, so even if they did leave, I doubt the overall percentage would go down by a huge amount really. The breakdown vote for England was 53.4% leave 46.6% remain so not hugely different
@@stephenprocter9424 i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. If you are, I'm curious as to why? If you're not, I'm going to say I'm not happy that it's come to this
I don't think the UK would ever choose to rejoin the EU for one simple reason: They would have to drop the Pound in favor of the Euro. They got to keep it the first time around because of grandfathering, or something, but they wouldn't have that luxury a second time and I don't think the UK is remotely capable of swallowing its pride in that regard.
The UK had so many good webshops an they are all more annoying to buy from these days... I can't be the only one looking for alternatives in other parts of europe when buying stuff.
A lot of specialty goods were sold through the UK making them the best place for EU citizens to get them. Some of them have migrated to Dutch and German sites, but especially German sites can be an issue since they are almost always in German and not everyone in the EU know German.
We watch and read mostly English content, so that’s why we think that UK has good webshops but usually you can find a German alternative that is just as good or better but lacking the good marketing
@DoubtingThomas I do. Frictionless trade was win win for ordinary people , and business , on both sides of the channel, before the drawbridge was raised. Everyone is worse of because we have lost choice.
I recently wanted a pair of boots from an American brand that doesn’t ship from Europe, and so I had to find a European retailer. The cheapest and best option I could find was a Scottish website with a great range. Shipping costs to Ireland, just next door, were over 50 euros. I found a German shop and sent my 200 euro to them. How many times over is that being repeated for others? The British economy is surely suffering greatly because of this alone. Small business have had their potential customer base absolutely decimated.
@@SaintGerbilUK yes, purge the 48%. Deport them to Rwanda, abolish the courts, lock up the lawyers, ban protest, ban strikes and gerrymander the vote. Only then will democracy be respected and not questioned by reality
If only the remoaners had allowed brexit to be fully implemented. Rather than fight every inch of the way so that the EUSSR keeps us in thrall 6 years after the democratic process mandated for th UK to leave the EU
There is one major thing that went right with Brexit. Movements to leave the EU that existed in Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, and other EU countries all fizzled after observing the British experience. The EU is now much stronger.
Would it be safe to assume that the Britons want to return in to EU? Obsolutely not, I'd say. UK has a huge problem with their ruling class and also the system of governance which has proven multiple times to be inept to cope with severe imbalances. Neither the conservatives nor the labour party have any idea how the system could be modernized. The conservatives favor austerity while Labour favors excessive spending, none of them caring about the economy.
@@83craigshagWe are struggling more, EU and the rest of the world are still recovering from the Pandemic and the war in Russia isn't helping. We are struggling more than the EU, before we were one of the strongest economies in the EU in terms of recovering. Now we are one of the weakest. Brexit was a big mistake. We're poorer because of it.
@@rezarfaryou are struggling because of corrupt liars in the power, who are interested in making themselves rich and not in fulfilling promises they gave to the people who elected them. UK's leadership for years wasn't conservatives, but liars and thieves larping as conservatives
I fucking hope we don't come back. Our independence has always brought us success, the issue isn't brexit, its that our leaders didn't believe in it, and instead preferred the German super state.
To be fair, based on the opinion polls only about 6% of the country are true Bregreteers with another 18% probably being the people who either pretended they didn't vote at all, or lie about voting stay.
A friend of a friend who voted for, and who was very pro-Brexit is now back in Australia with his wife, their son, and his Polish fiance, with no plans to return. Ha ha. I knew little about the details, but my cousin who was a tax inspector foresaw the problems so I trusted her view and now watch the inevitable disaster unfold.
This isn't a disaster. A disaster is one failure point causing great chaos. This is a _clusterfuck._ Many small interconnected problems all cooking off at once. Northern Ireland. The Tory cult. Britain's half-commital to the EU. The hubris of English nationalism. Each not quite a disaster, but all together?
SO ! ....... He has a wife and child in Australia. Whilst they were tucked up in Australia, 10,000 miles away, the tom cat picked up a nice piece of Polish squeeze and has taken it back to Australia with him ? What did the wife say about that ? Does he have them in the same bed, or have them on different nights ..... or .... has the wife started divorce proceedings ? It is hardly surprising that your cousin foresaw the inevitable disaster ...... CHRIST !!!!
@@tomasrocha6139 I was being mischievious ...... but maybe .......... just maybe ......... it is as I say. There is no accounting for remoaners or even the turncoats who only voted for Brexit thinking that they would get something financial out of it. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself. I know that, in the face of Russian aggression, most Poles feel the same. I know that many Poles hate the Brussels Mafia but tolerate it for the German, French, Dutch and Luxembourg money that comes Poland's way. Having given up on trying to dominate Europe by military means, the Germans have nearly succeeded by economic means. BEWARE !!! Britain has had 12 Challenger II tanks (the best tanks in the World) manned by British soldiers in the Baltic States for several years now, and now they are on their way to Ukraine with more to follow. Poland has now released 4 of their Leopards with more to follow. Where are the German Leopards ? If Britain was still in the German dominated EU, the Germans would have tried to stop us sending our Challenger II tanks. The Germans don't approve of much of the other stuff that we have sent. I note that Christina's friend did NOT leave Britain to go to France, or Spain, or Italy, or Germany, or any other EU country but to AUSTRALIA. Even with its' links to Britain, the Australians have NEVER tolerated any diktats from the EU.
Being in the process of migrating to the uk from eu it's honestly ridiculous how expensive/difficult it is compared to a few years ago. I've lost 1800 pounds because my visa got declined because I can't apply from inside the uk on a "visitor" visa (but you won't find that on any government website). Now I have to wait 14 weeks and spend an additional 2900 pounds to apply from outside the uk for something that used to be instant and free... It's an absolute joke.
You just get the treatment every other country outside the EU gets, which is totally fair. The reason Britain didn't see it coming is that they were too busy with getting on their high horses. The empire, the crown and all that other ridiculous stuff no one in the real world cares about.
Fun idea: Maybe the EU is operating a lot better now BECAUSE the United Kingdom is out? I don't think the EU will accept the UK back in now that it's working much better than ever before...
this is indeed not unlikely. Especially reforming to an Ever Closer Union including a stronger integrated military, wile being able to provide counter balance to the within NATO: this is desperately needed looking at Ukraine, and this is exactly something that was always opposed by Trojan Horse UK
The UK had such a good position in the EU. It reaped all of the benefits, while also have a million exceptions created for itself. The EU took a hit to their budget when the UK left sure, but ever since they did the institution has become stronger. If the UK ever wants to rejoin I feel like a lot of Europeans won't want to deal with the UK's lukewarm attitude again.
Abselutely. As a European, the very annoying attitude of the Uk during the brexit negociations plus some benefits of the situitions for countries like the Netherlands, Germany and espacially France, that have gained a lot of financial services from the UK ( espacially France, that also won back thousands of very wealthy french bankers/traders that were living in London. Combined to a general improvement of EU policies because the UK is no longer there to block stuff.
Whilst I am a remainer. I cant help but admit that Brexit has been a golden goose for me. Working in financial crisis management has been rather lucrative
If the UK wants to rejoin but expects to keep all the previous perks, they might face backlash from the EU. The EU could say, "If you don't want Schengen and the eurozone, rejoining is a no-go." It's a bit ironic since the UK previously enjoyed special treatment and deals, yet they still had the classic Anglo-Saxon ego for pursuing their own interests as if we were their oppressors. This kind of thinking, where the Anglo-Saxons want special deals, is frustrating for Europe and beyond.
The conditions for joining the EU are pretty clear. Keeping your own currency isn't an option. Exceptions and exemptions generally aren't either, although some could be granted in exceptional circumstances. For example, Malta and Cyprus, as island states, have different considerations than for example Austria, so there's no "one size fits all" policy. However, getting exceptions because you think you are special are definitely off the charts.
@@SeverityOne well that has been UK’s approach all their life, and old members did get exceptions Denmark and Sweden have voted against the Euro and they will never adapt the Euro (at least without another referendum). While UK kept its own visa zone outside of the Schengen. But if they wanna rejoin as a new state… sorry not sorry
@@Incidental104 Joining without Schengen is rather easy, given that there are 2 members that are permanently being blocked from Joining, that is not a vital issue for the EU, the reason for UK and Ireland is simple, they are Islands, the biggest benefit of Schengen is the Physical border and in the UK that only manifests itself in Northern Ireland, and no Schengen is required the border remains open.
At this point, the world is looking at the UK as a car crashing in very slow motion. And a lot of people are in fact enjoying the show. Brexit might have actually been a good thing for the EU as the voices in core countries (France, Italy per example) to leave have strangely faded away since Brexit.
@@jamesmitchellh According to most remainers the British economy should have collapsed catastrophically by now, but it's taking much longer than predicted for the economy to decay
Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growth of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In the 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout in the EU Referendum. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.
Who could've predicted that a terribly infectious coronavirus would cause a global pandemic and a year long lockdown that would have major lasting economic consequences?
Depends on ur prospective 17.5million chose what they though would be better in the longer term but Boris the clown never did what he promised in the manifesto. With that in mind we need legislation to hold future governments elected on a certain platcorm to be held accountable or they have to concede to another national vote
Honestly, Brexit was the right decision, the issue is that what was supposed to be done after it never took place, so our opinion of Brexit it's correlated to it in a negative way. Would the salaries gone up, would food prices not give up, would energy and health care for more affordable and available, Brexit would have made sense, but nothing really improved, only got worst, so the real question to ask ourselves is, how is this possible? And who is to blame, why are we not trading more with Asian countries, why is the east European food still the most affordable in the UK, why are tourists still not paying visas, why are immigrants students decreasing giving more opportunities to the British people, why is the NHS still so inefficient and why junior doctors still almost on minimum wage, while big CEOs and bankers are making millions? Why are we still allowing the same of items that companies are not playing taxations for, while actually providing a service in the UK, but billing it in Luxembourg or Ireland, and etc... Maybe the real problem is never been Brexit, but an outdated system that is now in the hands of banker's, were the state it's not seen as a democracy anymore, but a business.
@@TheHillingdon2did you fall out of a time hole or something? You’re free! Enjoy it. Hey, let’s talk more about privatizing your national infrastructure. -signed your best buds America
@@TheHillingdon2 we’re struggling to maintain rate of profits over here, got a bunch of billionaires with itchy checkbook signing fingers. Nothing bad can possibly happen by selling us your water and or power supply, we promise. Heard you might have a healthcare system in need of freedom too, while we’re signing things
EU 2016 (with UK) - slow, inefficient and bureaucratic EU 2022 (without UK) - performed better in handling crisis Maybe just maybe guys, you know who the problem is.... 😉 Some people in UK think that they can just rejoin EU if they choose to. Do they ever think of the possibility that EU might reject their request? 😅
@@bobrossopinions nah, we are fine, look at how many applications it took for you guys to be accepted in the first place... no, we are really fine without you and the pain from you leaving is still here and omnipresent... maybe in a decade or two when the betrayal has waned
@@bobrossopinions It is very likely, but not completely certain, that UK would be allowed to rejoin. And it will definitely not be under the same conditions as they had before.
@@bobrossopinions You might have a point if the EU was primarily an economic union. But to its core members, the economic union is and always has been a means to a different end: political union. And ever since Margaret Thatcher the UK made it clear they have no interest in political union with the rest of Europe. Most Brits - which includes rejoiners - don't understand this. The economic benefits of having the UK inside the EU don't matter if it sabotages the goal to achieve a deeper political union.
If the UK were to rejoin, they would have to give up their past special deals, and would be forced to integrate Schengen and the Eurozone. So the UK can rejoin, but cannot go back to the place it had before Brexit, it is either get integrated closer or stay out now
OK so if the EU is less bureaucratic and more dynamic since Brexit... have you considered that the UK was actually a major blocker to EU wide agreements (especially given we sent Farage & Co to represent us in the EU parliament)?
Yep, it always disgusted me when farage would talk about British people not having a say in EU law, and talking about bureaucrats taking our money and not doing any work, when it was him and his colleagues who were elected and paid to represent the British people, and either didn't bother to show up for the job, or went just to insult the representatives from other countries. The UK had one of the largest groups of MEPs, and so we could have been very influential in shaping EU policies, but we were stupid enough to vote ukip!
@@joycegibbs5267 non-ukip British MEPs weren't always outvoted because they actually shared political views with their counterparts from other countries. If UKIP MEPs could be bothered to vote, they always voted the way they knew would lose because they always wanted to be contrary to the EU parliament. That isn't because of some conspiracy against the UK, but simply because UKIP is an extreme fringe political group whose sole purpose was to be anti-eu. If they managed to win any seats in the house of commons, they would always be "outvoted" there too, because that's their whole bit. My point was that it was stupid to elect UKIP MEPs because then we wouldn't have proper representation in the EU parliament, while farage and co would pocket the salary, not bother to represent the people who elected them, and complain about "Brussels Bureaucrats" who pocket the salary but don't do any work.
@@joycegibbs5267 other MEPs show up, even when they know or suspect they'll be in minority. Even British MEPs did. Just like MPs in the Westminster Parliament do. Committees are about influence and being in the loop.
Easier to blame other people for problems than to actually work on fixing the problems at home. Beware politicians that spend their effort blaming others rather than working with others.
@@patlynch6517 Well... Anti-Americanism has been a large part of French politics for a long time. Mind, it was useful for internal French politics. It had little to do with foreign policy or the USA itself. While getting convicted in court was not exactly Nicolas Sarkozy's shining moment, getting France back into the NATO fold has to be applauded. Harping against the EU, heavily supported by Rupert Murdoch's media empire, similarly has been an integral part of British internal politics for decades. It's funny to see that, now that the British can run their own affairs, they're making an absolute mess of things. The rest of the EU was better prepared for Brexit than Britain ever was. This whole pro/contra EU business has the strong possibility of tearing the UK apart. I do think that, in due time, a majority of the Northern Irish will vote to rejoin the Republic. I'm not entirely sure what will happen in Scotland, but they too stand a good chance of seeking independence.
I'm confused why no one mentions the misinformation (Cambridge Analytica, Russia, Boris Johnson) and lack of a cohesive plan at the time (David Cameron) of referendum. That alone should warrant reconsideration.
@@tails0420ify Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.
to much input for the few UK audience here... they have already problems to understand basic information, like the UK isnt an important country or the EU dont need the UK etc!
@@English_Dawn I agree with many of your points about some lack of democracy within the EU but in many ways the EU only requested that all legislation made would be in keeping with the fundamentals of EU partnership (eg trade, human rights and movement of people) outside of that there was not much binding the UK and the UK had many privileges and ability to opt out of things we didn't want (eg EU money). Also in terms of democracy do we really fully have it - devolved governments for Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. An unelected House of Lords and a monarch who advises and signs off on legislation?? When it comes to our economy and various sectors the decline you have sited was pre-UK joining the EU in the 70's and in my opinion a lot of the UK's wealth and industry for example cotton was as a result of destroying India's cotton industry, using cheap labour from other colonial countries and finishing the product in the UK in factories in Manchester and Birmingham (Shashi Tharoor's book Inglorious Empire). The UK economy has been in decline since the independence of many of the countries it relied upon to gain its wealth. The UK (a tiny island) cannot expect to be in the same position it was at its peak. I will say the same for coal mining which was also unsustainable in the long term. The UK continued to be a financial centre because of its position it had placed itself at its peak of its empire, and embracing globalisation early. Much of its decline is not a result of the EU but of other countries having positioned themselves in the last 100 years to offer more on the global stage eg India, USA, Australia and China etc. Lastly, in terms of benefits it would be great to get a solid idea of what the perceived benefits would be. The post Brexit vision spouted by Boris Johnson is to make the UK, particularly London the Singapore of the west with low taxes and trade with the global partners such as US, Canada, Australia, NZ, Nigeria, South Africa, India and the likes. Forgetting the poor history between many of these ex-colonial countries and the power dynamic and leverage some of these countries now have over the UK. As Obama said Brexit would make the UK fall to the back of the queue when it comes to global trade. In addition making the UK a tax haven during this late stage capitalism and period of rescinding globalisation seems counter intuitive to the needs of this country right now. Lizz Truss and Kwame Kwarteng was attempting to put us on this Johnson path with their tax reform and you saw how the markets reacted to that.
At the time of the EU Referendum, one of the most ardent leaver areas ("Brexit Central") was the City of Stoke-on-Trent, formerly a stronghold of pottery, mining and steel but now a post-industrial wasteland. When the government tried to reassure EU citizens that they could stay on after Britain left the European Union, the local paper objected that "We need their jobs and their homes." The referendum in fact showed that Boston in Lincolnshire voted even more strongly to leave the EU. Consequently I was intrigued to see some recently-published analyses of the 2021 census. It appears that the Boston region has the lowest level of education in England, going by school, college and university exams, both for those in work or seeking it and for adults as a whole. Adults as a whole (including non-workers and the retired) do worse. Stoke comes lowest second in the country. A certain London district, which was notoriously pro-EU, actually has a majority of working people with a university degree. That reminds me that the majority of people who bought the Guardian, back in the days before newspapers went online, were graduates. Boston and Stoke have not flourished since Brexit, nor are working people as a whole notably better off. I was aware of the age divide, whereby younger voters were for staying in the EU, and older voters wanted to leave, but had not realised that there was an educational divide too. England (and Wales) are beginning to look a lot like the USA, where Trump supporters show a similar division from his opponents.
The education divide comes across in converative and liberal votes also. People who vote left wing more often than not have a third level education. True for Europe and the USA. One has to be very careful coming to conclusions though. Finally, the third variable is usually urbanization. That skews left wing also.
@@eamonreidy9534 So basicly the more youre capable of calling bs on the lies of faschists, the less likely youre going to support them. University is usually a new place compared to school life and also is a place of higher than average diversity. It also teaches critical thinking in a lot of classes. And in the cities you live together with a lot more people and they have also higher than average diversity. If you live next door of the syrian with his kebab shop you are more likely to doubt when a random tells you that syrians are a threat and a burden. Makes sense to me. Only issue is that the right has an incentive to harm the development of the people so they dont loose all the voters. And they are harming the people on a daily basis, especially in UK and the US.
Boston has more Eastern Europeans than any other area of the UK and if you've ever been there, you'd understand why they voted the way they did. It's no longer a British town. It's packed full of Eastern Europeans that aren't really skilled or educated. The concentration of foreign culture has become so strong that it's overpowering the natives. There really aren't many times that I'll accept the "we want our country back" argument for Brexit but in the case of Boston, I absolutely understand the cries of "we want our town back" and so they voted accordingly.
@@Pibikhen I have lived in both Stoke and Boston. The census analysts explained the low numbers of graduates in Boston by the lack of graduate-level jobs. That would be why the Eastern Europeans there are not highly educated either: they are doing the jobs in agriculture, factory-farming etc that young Britons refuse to do, preoccupied as they must be with expressing their culture with jellied eels and Morris dancing.
While I feel deep sorrow when thinking about the British Youth and people that voted to stay, I cannot help but feeling a lot of "Schadenfreude" as well. For years I was so annoyed of posh British politicians "having their cake and eating it too" and then complaining that the EU doesn't provide them with enough cake. Now they must face the consequences of all that. Unfortunately, most of those in charge of the whole campaign are so well off that they do not really care. I hope that the British public will turn on them...
It's worth noting its only really in England and Wales there is any real change of opinion. It was really English votes that visited Brexit upon all of us, Scots, Northern Irish and Gibraltarians all voted to remain. The regret is with the English, which is where it should lie along with the blame, as it was their votes that caused it.
@Gobby "All" in the democratic sense - as in all constituencies in Scotland for example voted to remain by a majority democratic vote - therefore its true to say all constituencies voted remain. They did as that was the result of the vote when tallied so it is fair to say 'all' when speaking of the result of the vote.
I often see these types of comments and while it's hard to disagree with what you are saying, I wonder why you always leave Wales out of this? The Welsh voted to leave in similar proportions to England
@@davidty2006 That's a fault of those of us who live on the British isles, it does not make their votes any less valid or important however. Its interesting to note that had Westminster accepted the proposal of the devolved parliaments, that for a leave vote to win it should require not just a simple voted majority but also for a majority of the constituent parts of the UK to be in favour of leaving it would have turned out differently. The result as it was on that score was 3-2 in favour of Remain, with England and Wales on one side voting Leave and Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar on the other voting Remain. Had that been the deal we would not have left, and we would have seen then I think just how genuine England's is in its claim we are all equal partners in the UK with equal voices. Would England have accepted remaining in the EU against its own vote to leave just as the other parts of the UK have had to accept England's choice against our wishes to remain? It would have been fascinating to see the outcome, I suspect England would not have liked it very much at all had the boot been on the other foot and the UK really was a place of equal nations as claimed.
Seeing the state of the EU lately the only thing I regret is voting remain. Thankfully my countrymen saw the good sense that eluded me at that time. Yes we have an incompetent government that failed to offer or *deliver* a Brexit that worked for literally anyone (I have NEVER voted Tory, for the record), but Brexit is not to blame for the UK's problems.
@@razormothpictures9779 If you say so. I did vote remain, but like I said, in hindsight I am happy we left. If nothing else, it makes people like you miserable, and that brings me joy.
@@chuck1804 It doesn't make me miserable I'm afraid as I don't live in the UK. I guess your situation and outlook do make me feel a bit sad, if I think about it for too long. Hopefully that's enough for you to get some glimmer of joy out of?
The people who campaigned for decades and won the support of the people have been denied a chance in power. Parliament has 85% life-long pro-EU activists against Brexit and working for the EU. Perhaps you would like to rejoin and have 15% of MPs in support of the EU...
Wow, really? That's a manipulation of reality that even the Soviet propagandists would be proud of. If Project Fear had actually been Project Reality, you would be living in abject poverty now. Project Fear promised the economy wouldn't even wait for Brexit to be completed, that everything would start imploding immediately after the referendum. Project Fear was bullshit - even with the pandemic that no one could have predicted, the negative effects of Brexit as promised by Project Fear absolutely did not materialise. Not even close. If you don't believe me, see for yourself - it should not be difficult to find archival materials of what the Remain side actually said before the referendum.
People laughing at us brits forget that almost 49% of us voted to remain. We never wanted to leave and now our childrens future are destroyed. To compact more misery in the very same tory government is still in power and destroying the little we have left.😢contrary to your beliefs there are still good people in the uk, who have done no wrong to anyone and don't deserve this punishment.
Brexit has damaged the UK so much, the places near me used to bloom with EU students, spending their money here, young people from Spain, Italy, France making friends here, bright kids from eastern Europe studying here, now only those who can afford £90k on their education can study here, meaning 0.0001% and the city has lost 1000s of students bringing a lot of money in tuition fees via loans and spending millions here.
I have to disagree, there are more international students than ever at my University, though the makeup is a bit different. The process to study here from the EU is not a whole lot more tedious, it just requires a visa now which is easy enough to obtain
The main reason the EU has improved so much recently is that the UK is out. Without the Brits slowing everything down and mindlessly challenging all EU decisions, now the union can finally shed the dead weight and do what is right.
Nope, it's becoming what the UK wanted because voices in Europe felt the same just not as loudly as the UK. It needed change and ofc the Ukraine situation helped force the change too but let's be clear Brexit did result in the bureaucratic elite reconsidering their position.
They can finally become the one state empire they always wanted and prove brexiters right. Thing is though, an empire usually has border controls but the EU doesn't have any.
Of course, that was what Hitler and bow Klaus Schwab always wanted; an efficient, corporate world where they can peddle their eugenics and transhumanist evils unchecked. Have fun, I'd rather die starving than join the nazis in their continuing evils.
no one regrets it. you are admired in europe, France wants to leave, Italy wants to leave, Greece wants to leave, corruption has been massive and you all still follow like sheep?
The delicious irony of Brexiteers annoyed about Brexit not working out the way they were told is, that they were lied to, they knew it and they liked it. 😊😊😊
Yeah they won't allow us back in without some heavy caveats. The EU said multiple times we could reverse the decision at any point during the leaving process... I think we have this regret too late.
I'm so jealous. I was saving to buy a house in Portugal. Now I have the money through years of sacrifice and nothing to do with it. I'm not willing to use it as a deposit on a shity little English flat and pay mortgage forever. I just don't know what to do . Living in Britain isn't really possible anymore because the rent to wage ratio. Some people would be like buy a house up north then . No it's a shit hole .
Plan of the brexiter fantasists. Able to open our trade to the world and trade with lucrative nations and increase our wealth. We had it great in the EU - our ecobomy and social standing. Sadly, a narrow majority of 52% from an advisory referendum was sufficient to take that away...
I wonder what the results would be of a poll asking whether people in the EU want to let the UK back in and, separately, if they would want to let in an independent Scotland.
@@AcademiaFeraz Hold on a minute. As a mainland European I quiet like the idea of the Scottish joining as an independent country. They basically flirted super hard with staying in the EU as an independant country already and having them in the Union might just bring all the English and Welsh who wish to stay to just move there.
Don't forget the vote was incredibly close - 48% of us wanted to remain don't tar us all with the same shitty brush! Half of England still wanted to remain!
I agree. The EU would be best served if they did not let the UK back in. The UK would also be best served if they did not let it back in. A win/win situation for all!
I think that this might mean that actually whenever the UK rejoins the EU, they will have to give up a lot of the special priviliges they had before making them a more useful member of the EU overall, it really helped show people who had grown up in a connected European world what it was like to not be part of that world which really came to a shock to most people which I think is good overall, sometimes people need to make mistakes to realise things. My own opinion about the EU was similar to those of Brexit supporters, but in these years the EU has proven its value, time and time again, which has made me see the organization as the best thing to happen to Europe in its entire history, it is not perfect but it is better than the alternative.
The EU was inefficient in part because of Britain blocking lots of initiatives. Britains philosophy never was aligned with the majority of EU countries that wanted a closer and more centralistic EU the plays a bigger role. Britain always wanted the EU to be nothing more than a common market for them to make profits. Now without Britain decisions are made much quicker. What that means in the long term and if this is is good thing remains to be seen though.
As a European, I thank the UK for the bottom of my heart for finally leaving. Since Brexit support for the EU has skyrocketed and we're more united than ever. Thank you UK
@@guerreiro943 ''as a european'' haha what is one of them, you are racist. Thank you germany for sending helmets to help Ukraine, you pathetic weak war starting but war losing fools. Do not worry the anglosaxon Brits and yanks will save Ukraine while EU worries about economy and greed
What I can say is: people has the power! You chose to leave... Nobody forced you. You are like that one kid who thinks too highly of yourself and didn't want to play with the rest of the children. You thought your toys were more fun to play with, than to share them with the other children. When you are at your corner playing by yourself, you see how happy other children are. Well, too bad so sad...
Yeah nothing to do with the campaign of lies for years. We actually believe it would benefit the country, which if that'd what your are told for years why wouldn't you want to do that. Obviously it's been a compete shit show now and we're left feeling embarrassed that's the situation but it wasn't the plan.
@@JBengey if anyone believe a obvious lie and doesn't listen to opposed views then that on them.. Your embarrassment is of your own inequity and pales into insignificance with the damage your vote done to human rights, the economic future and political future of this country. If I were a brexit voter then I'd be scared of when majority turns against them for taking their rights
@NeilCWCampbell people listen to both sides, just one was more convincing to over half the population. It shouldn't have even been on the table in the first place, but it was. Had covid not have taken place the outcome might have been more positive but we are where we are. To say no one else bares responsibility is a ridiculous comment.
@@NeilCWCampbell If I remember correctly the majority of Brexiter were old timer while the people who voted for stay in the EU were younger generations 🤔
The EU improved the minute UK’s politicians left, while UK’s politics became funnier than ever before… coincidence? This brings me to a question: Even if brits decided to re-apply sometimes in the future, should Europeans want them back (remembering all the history)?
I think they would be open to the idea, but not with the same privileges the UK had previously. The UK would either be forced to meet all current requirements and integrate deeper into the political elements of the union, or stay out. So if the UK as a whole generally is willing to make the required sacrifices to re-join, then they would happily take them back, with the UK becoming just an ordinary member like Greece or Romania, rather than a big player.
@@colinwalker6804 And you are wrong. EU invested billions over Brexit. Do you think that the new harbors infrastructure built in france, belgium, netherlands are going to be payed by themselves? or the finanancial companies investements to absorb the City market? Until those investments are payed off, a rejoin is out of discussion.
I think the answer is very simple. Scotland will be welcomed with open arms, England never again. Hopefully Scotland can break free from England and so can Northern Ireland. Then England and Wales can indulge in the freedom they have gained through Brexit undisturbed. This will be fun as the Picts continue to develop economically north of Hadrian's Wall while the English rub their eyes and still wonder what went wrong.
ngl British politics has been my favourite sitcom these years
Same for me. Brexit has been my soap opera in the last few years. I need my daily episode ...
We outside observers have been sorely lacking in sitcom drama with the change in the US government, I'm glad the UK volunteered to take their place
As a uk citizen, I’m glad you’re enjoying the show, just wait till the next season, it’s gonna get even better
It literally replaced "Yes, minister" for me.
It's been this and US politics, though I might class that as more of a drama
Brexit helps Americans because it lets us know we’re not the only ones going through an embarrassing phase of dysfunctional political idiocy
Idiocy implies accident or unplanned.
I think that's a gross underestimation.
You got jacked. Someone made serious $$$ off your inattention.
Aren't a gaggle of usefull idiots key to any plan hatched by the Oligarch class? Can't steal democracy without dummies to vote.
Yep. And when they both happened, I thought "At least Trump is limited to 4-8 years. Brexit could go on forever."
Yeah cause the EU is the embodiment of political superiority🤣🤣
I thank the brave people of UK for sacrificing themselves to show the rest of Europeans how quiting the EU is a terrible idea, their example serves to discourage others
We Brits of a more individual self-respecting kind can live with that. We achieved what made our past
so noteworthy by our creative enterprising efforts across the WORLD. Europe can look to itself and
hope that its incessant conflicts and diplomatic failings can be limited by the political intentions of
"The Project" across the continent.
@@songsmith31a😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"creative enterprising efforts", are you referring to the exploitation and killing of a big part of the rest of the world?
@renatolima1166 and your intellectual response to Britain being great is a few imoticons, really ??
“Creative enterprising efforts across the world” = Murder and maiming in the colonies, feeding its wealth by stealing from impoverished countries.
That era is gone, will never return.
Watching Britain realizing it’s not an empire anymore but as much dependent on others as the others, is as hilarious as it is tragic
lol London is THE financial hub of the world.
GB is still a major player on the world stage
@@bbwblk Pity the London mayor is a POS. So many UK problems can be found nesting in London thanks to his inadequate leadership and focus on agendas that don't serve the people who elected him. He's the Justin Trudeau of GB.
@@bbwblk "THE" hub...? Is that why nobody cares about the British Pound other than... Well. Britain?
Considering this title slips between their and American hands constantly, and the fact that USD is generally more cared about, I think I will disagree here.
@@bbwblk Not GB, London, the rest of the country is slowly falling apart
@@bbwblk Thats New York kid and one of the major player (not a unique status) and falling every year, India just took Your spot didnt it? but dont let Your exceptionalism stop You for making a fool out of yourself
Who would have thought believing Boris Johnson was a bad idea.
Cult of personality is the dumbest and most dangerous type of politics.
Boris Johnson knew
yeah try to blame a politician instead of blaming the stupid public
@@classicismeroyal9044 I think you'll find he was blaming both....
The EU UN is still imposing their stupid new policies regarding insulation and green rubbish which will put homeowners into a lot of debt.
Britain after the brexit referendum was a collective therapy for most people outside UK. It’s so calming to know that there is an entire country of people messed themselves up more than I do.
§50 of the EUropean Constitution offers the chance for any member to leave.
When there is a chance, we all know that someone will make use of it at some time.
The Brits did offer to be the first to take one on the chin for the rest, and now every other country can see what it means.
Thank you, UK - no Schadenfreude here, but better you than us 😉😏
I'd argue an entire generation messed up their kids generation
I'm ashamed to admit that I didn't vote in the referendum. Mainly because I, foolishly, trusted the British public not to be bloody stupid.
They definitely proved me wrong, didn't they?
I learned my lesson, though, and have voted in practically everything since.
The bancruptcy of an Empire. Nothing special.
It wasn't the entire country., it was 16.8 million who were duped and chose not to see past the lies they were fed
I'm a Brit and I'm ashamed of what happened.
Much of it was driven by underlying racism but much of it was well-orchestrated preying by big money-men on the section of society who are less well-off, with less to lose (or so they thought) and who, statistically, are the less educated and, as such, were the easiest to manipulate with lies.
I hope that doesn't sound trite but it's the truth of what happened.
Make them angry, tell them it's not their fault that they don't have everything they want in life, point them towards an 'enemy' as the reason for their failures and promise them that if the 'enemy' is defeated, everything will be better.
It's a tried and tested formula throughout history.
All the facts and stats and numbers and predictions were available beforehand but the 17m were convinced to call it 'project fear' or 'fake news'. They were conned.
It was a horrible and shameful thing to have happened but I do hope you wonderful Europeans learn from what happened here and never make the same mistake.
We're so much better off when we stick together.
"It’s no secret that Brexit isn’t going according to plan"
Wait, there was a plan?!
That’s the joke. No one could agree on how to do it that the time limit passed and it forced a hard separation.
Well, since everything bad ever came from the EU, leaving the EU must magically improve the UK. Who needs a plan?
You're totally right. There was no plan... nobody expected Brexit back then. :)
For the UK democrats it has, out of that cesspit!
I feel like the plan for Brexit was "to own the libs" from people not realizing they don't live in the US.
The other view is that it's a complete success for the richest power brokers in society, who now no longer have to worry about disclosing their wealth to the EU by turning the UK into their own little tax haven.
The UK reminds me of those fish at the end of Finding Nemo, that finally manage to escape the dentist’s office, and after celebrating for a bit, they find themselves bagged in the ocean, completely fucked, and asking “now what?”
Yeah because EU member states are doing so well. Right now id rather be living in Britain than France or Germany...
As an East European I think Brexit is good for us, many people who worked in the UK came back and now they work for our economy
Eurozone in recession.
As an eastern european I know lots of people working and living in the UK. I don't know of a single one that came back because of Brexit. The fun fact is that most of them support Brexit...
@@asdfffffffffffffffI live in Romania, and am not Romanian. "Repats" is absolutely a thing. Brexit must have played a role.
Now holland gets flooded with Eastern Europeans…..
@@gnrseanra9070 So what? UK has way more room to grow since their economy crashed so hard due to covid. Doesn't mean they are better off.
Here's a thought: maybe the EU has become more dynamic *precisely* because the UK isn't there any longer to hold everything down?
Lose the "maybe" and I agree ;-)
Edit: I agree!
In academia, where UK was the second most influential country besides France, it felt like UK was holding us back from cooperating with Warsaw and other eastern unis, and even Belgrade and other non-European universities (Maghreb especially).
I think it was to keep some power, as Italy academics have a lot of influence over Belgrade, and Germany over eastern Europe and Turkey. And France over Maghreb. Now, we lost a lot of good research teams, I'm not gonna lie, it hurt, but we cooperate a lot more than we use to, and a lot better.
Also, we all speak Globbish and understand each other better than when UK was there and we all tried to have a good accent.
I left academia recently, so I don't know if the trend continues, but it seems the UK was holding us back.
Unfortunately, your assessment is pretty inaccurate, the previous UK Governments were very pro-Europe and helped it to become what is today. Brexit also had elements of what a lot of people in other countries felt but the head of the spear was the UK, with its immigration issues. A lot of changes in EU thinking came from Brexit and ofc the recent Ukraine-Russia war. Actually drove the EU to be what the UK wanted more spending on the military and less process.
@@MrMillefail I don't think this is strictly true, the UK was one the voices to let the Eastern European and Slavic countries into to the EU right..
Corona virus spending borrowing, Ukraine war spending were not present when UK was part of the EU, so saying Brexit was a mistake is absolutely nonsense. Secondly, until UK can sign the trade deals with other countries of the world Brexit will look like a mistake. So Brexit haters need to think logically before opening their mouth.
When Sunak said the people of Northern Ireland are now in the enviable position of being in both the EU single market and the UK single market. He hit the nail on the head. That was the position the whole of the UK was in prior to Brexit!
The US and China are in a much better position because they aren't restricted to any one "single market" but can trade with the whole world.
Do you understand how the US works? The US works because it’s 50 markets united in common by the federal government. The size and population of the US are actually quite similar to the EU as a whole. The US is so rich because it’s basically just the EU but even more centralized and with even less autonomy. The US was always going to be wealthier than the UK and EU as a whole for many reasons (immigration vs. Native populations, youthful population, single language), but the main reason for the size of the divide is that the US is so much wealthier because it stands united. Yeah, the US trades with the whole world, but unlike the UK it does it from a position of strength. The UK is just a tiny insignificant island that barely registers on the world stage. The US is an entire continent plus several islands. New England (a small region of the US) is the same size as old England.
@@dominicgordon4774 The US is superior to the EU because there is a common language and culture in the US. The US, right after the American Revolution, was much smaller than the British Empire it left behind (it only had 13 colonies aka states at first), but because of good leadership and English political institutions was able to grow into a world power.
The UK is now in a similar position to the one the US faced right after the American Revolution, and it should act accordingly.
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 it really isn’t a second revolution. The UK can’t just expand across a continent. Besides, the 13 colonies alone are much more massive than the UK. It’s hard to really put to scale the size of the US. The UK is weak and it’s only declining over time. That’s why people are regretting Brexit, because they can’t do shit. Besides, calling Americans a nation with a common culture or language isn’t really the case over American history. We have a common ideology (classical liberalism) but we all come from different nations. You’re odd here if you have one ethnicity. We have more Irish than Ireland and more Jews than Israel. The UK may have a recent history of immigration, but it is nothing like the US. Immigration is really what drives the US, because people growing up in a country are likely going to be a bit lazier than people that had to fight for scraps just to get a chance at a “New World”. Immigration is a selection game for risk-takers and tough people. It’s why Americans are by far the most productive people on the planet. The common language thing is even kinda recent. German was widely spoken up until the world wars. The first native born US President spoke Dutch as his first language. The US is really rich because of its diversity in both geography and culture. It’s hard not to dominate the globe when you have people from every single background imaginable. The UK has its empire, but it’s still got a English only population that dominates its culture and honestly weakens it economically. You can’t declare independence like the US. UK can declare independence like one of the developing countries that split off from it, but UK can’t be the US. Brexit cut it off from the admittedly weaker but best case scenario for the UK, joining the EU. Join the shittier US, otherwise known as the EU, UK, it’s really your only hope. Join a diverse entity with a large geographic base built around a classical liberal ideology.
@@dominicgordon4774 I think you are right, and the 2. world war did not help to unite Europe and its resources. The US shows that it is easier to build something up from the beginning, than to unite different countries
“It’s no secret that Brexit isn’t going to plan.”
My dude there was no plan.
ikr, the entire "plan" was just "patriotism" without embracing their culture at all
That's exactly what he said if you know how to understand British 😂😂😂
Doing better than France politically and economically, so cant be that bad.
So the EU what has sovereignty!!!
Sophie Morris by Rupert Murdoch and Farage Boris Johnson!,,
Why are you voting for Farage and the reform party do you want to lose more jobs Virgin flight morons
To be fair EU did look pretty bad at certain points but now its worlds 3rd superpower with usa and china. UK just missed the forest for the trees. I think the real sad part is that 48% wanted to stay with their european brothers.
Farage ‘applied for German passport’ on day after 2016 referendum - and did not deny having one
His wife is German so why not ?
@@davidbarrass5210 well maybe because it is hypocritical? He got a back up plan, most brits don’t have one
Along with many many others who campaigned for it or have even left...
I hear even the recent Brexit Advantages Secretary along with offshoring his businesses to Ireland has now claimed an EU passport
@@RipMachine1 that's strange I remember many many remoaners saying if it didn't work out then they'd leave.
Yet they are still here.
Farage is a Paid Stooge of Putin! .... Anything to Disrupt the West!
People asking to rejoin continue to not understand how it works: being part of the EU doesn't depend only of their votes, the opinion of the other countries matter.
It's not only in the hands of the Brits unlike the leave vote.
Exactly. I really think the E.U would refuse the UK to rejoin. That would make the EU look weak. You can't come and go at will
European citizen here. I would love for the UK to join in eventually, maybe in 20 or 30 years. But right now? Absolutely not. I want them back only once they become genuinely invested in the European projects and interested in cooperating with others.
Yeah but the EU does stand to gain by the UK rejoining, especially in light of the Ukraine War. The UK has sent more aid to Ukraine then any EU member, their defense industry is the largest in Europe (with the Russian corruption and embezzlement the UK's defense spending may actually eclipse even Russia's real military funding), they have a pretty strong diplomatic network both inside and outside of the EU, they have more bases around the world than any EU member, they have a strong financial sector and the largest stock market in Europe, and one of the more important things is they have tons of desperately needed gas and oil (they've got more gas reserves than any EU member and have one of the worlds largest oil companies). The UK is also arguably the 2nd most important country to NATO and as we've seen time and time again the EU is useless as a peacekeeping organization and the UN is largely incapable of protecting people but NATO isnt. The fact that some EU members like Hungary and Germany are unwilling to take a strong stance against Russia only makes NATO even more important.
Those are just the new things that have come up to incentivize the UK to be approved to rejoin if they applied. There's also the old reasons pre Ukraine War like a united Europe, a larger market, more varied goods and services, free trade between the UK and mainland Europe, and better access to jobs and schools in the UK (the UK still has some of the worlds best universities).
That all benefits the EU, especially in the face of Russian aggression, Chinese imperialism, and manipulation by both of those countries. Brexit definitely hurt both the UK and EU, and pissed off the EU members a ton but things have changed massively around the world since the 2016 Brexit vote. I'm not saying that the EU members would all forgive and forget Brexit at the drop of a hat, but they have many reasons to allow the UK to rejoin. Realpolitik is usually more important than opinions when it comes to things like this so I'd wager most would be willing to bury the hatchet provided the UK gives some assurance they arent going to change their minds and leave again or cause another headache like the constant changes to Brexit
And why would the EU not want the UKs money? Not that its going to happen, rejoining after a couple of years would be like getting back with your ex after 6 months thinking everything can just return to how it was. Its naive thinking.
@@guerreiro943 and with a more humble attitude, not such arrogance. And they need to learn the lesson that they aren't superior.
The "let's rejoin" sentiment, in the typical British approach to the EU, overlooks a very significant detail. While it's you and only you decides whether to leave, there are almost 30 others who have to UNANIMOUSLY agree to let you (re)join. And we have not forgotten the shenanigans when the UK was a member. Also, the Bregret will disappear as soon as the UK does a bit better, because the fundamental issue is still there: the superiority complex that a lot of British have.
The "We won't want you" sentiment, in the typical TH-cam Commenter approach to Brexit is a very significant deal. While it's you and only you decides whether to post retarded bullsh*t, there are almost 30 actual countries led by governments who will unanimously agree to let the UK rejoin. And that's because they're not retarded high schoolers who hold a grudge against others - they're countries that would be happy to have better relations with another country.
*IF* the UK does a bit better. The view from the inside is not promising. The UK could just keep declining for centuries, stranger things have happened, especially as the other member-countries of the UK jump ship. And, thanks to the UK, if the UK never manages to get it's debt to GDP ratio within acceptable parameters then outside and terminally declining it will stay
@@ChartreuseDan I get UK bashing is fun, but don't kid yourself. It will get better. The UK has gone through worse things and came out stronger.
@@DaDARKPass The UK hasn't come out of *anything* stronger since 1858. Since then it's just been cannibalising parts of empire and the industrial revolution in order to appear as though it's not rotting into obscurity without interruption. There were things that could have been done, dividends that could have been reinvested but weren't, but now? What demand can the UK fill better than anyone else?
@@DaDARKPasson the flip side, there is always the possibility of the UK completely shitting the bed for a hundred years in a row
Britain: *puts up trade barriers with biggest trading partner*
*economy suffers*
Britain: *surprised Pikachu face*
And now Scots are wanting independence, I ain't surprised.
Yeah I’m not surprised, common sense in this country is no longer common
You lot believed Nigel Farage while it was obvious what a scam artist he was. Now you are left to sit on the blisters while Farage is sitting on his fortune and laughing at you.
@@Ju5tBU The real irony is that it was never "common" as in plentiful but common as in of low standing, coarse or base like "commoners." A bit like saying "even a caveman would know better." Of course word use changes over time and these overtones get lost along the way.
@@Ju5tBU most r thick as mince meat well almost 19 million lol
The metaphor of a cat sitting in front of a door, wanting out but not leaving when you open the door, still holds. Now the cat left 30 seconds ago and wants back in.
That is so my cat. Got sick of it so got a cat flap lol.
@@SkinUpMonkey Are you suggesting the EU installs a Britflap?
@@mabus4910 lol no
Hey! No fair!
Larry the Cat is the only sane one at number 10 or 11.
😽
Well maybe it’s because 52% of the cat wanted to go outside in the winter and 48% of it wanted to stay in the warm in the first place.
Brexit is like a reverse Jurassic Park: there was so much debate in the UK over whether or not it SHOULD leave the EU, they never stopped to consider whether or not it COULD.
lol underrated reference! 🤣
And more crushially. Can it join?
Well it could and did.
You, sir, have just won the Internet this week.
... either way it'll stay an Island 🤔
As a European it’s also interesting to observe the increase of efficiency of the EU since Brexit. From this point of view, à come back of the UK may not be a good idea 😉
Agree 💀 as a french i'd still welcome back Scotland tho
Good we dont want to come back just look at the latest EU corruption scandals and how Germany is acting EU get stuffed.
@@davidlewis4399 the lastest corruption as you said is a good thing that it comes out , and is PUNISHED :) . Corruption is everywhere , what's matter is that consequences are put behind that behavior.
Agreed - the EU will not want them back. They have figured out an algorithm that works without the UK, so why shake the boat? Britain made its bed and now we can all watch it fluff the pillows and lay down in it.
EU: "You wanna leave? Fine, your problem"
Everytime i think its just the US in chaos, i see another country to stand up to the plate and realize "yeah people are weird everywhere" thats some comforting chaos.
About the UK re-joining the EU: The UK was not a loyal partner and it will be difficult for the EU to trust them again. I wouldn't have any reservations about Scotland though, since they were forced out against their will. The Scots will be more than welcome to join the EU.
Rejoining sounds like showing up in Brussels, expecting everybody to let bygones be bygones. A reformed UK might try to join, but pigs will take to the air before the English will be welcome on the Continent.
The problem with that is that Scotland is part of the U.K. so they can't make a separate deal.
I think everyone learns from their mistakes, that's why we should be together like before BREXIT.
@@c.w.8200 What an arrogant comment, You're a hypocrite.
@@zenoblues7787 "The problem with that is that Scotland is part of the U.K."
That's an easy fix.
Me in 2016: This is a terrible idea.
Me in 2023: This was a terrible idea.
Brexit was always going to be a disaster. A lot of people were just too stupid and/or misled to realise it.
And how old are you?
@@songsmith31a 254
People were manipulated.
they were lied too@@sogerc1
@@sogerc1 it was preeeeetty obvious
If we did ask to join EU, there will be a higher bar to enter now. The EU were frustrated by UK being that awkward exception all the time. Now they would certainly expect us to fully integrate (e.g. adopt the Euro, fewer exceptions on freedom of movement etc...).
No, we expect you to stay out, Mr. Bond.
Absolutely
If you ask the EU to join, there will be laughter.
@@BewareOfTheKraut As an American I would definitely be laughing at such an event.
@@BewareOfTheKraut I know and I’m so sad 😢…
The British thinking that they are not living in the 1800s challenge: impossible
You genius how many people really think that? 🤡
maybe they get rid of the great bit in great britain
@@wonfor14 It's called 'Great Britain' because it's bigger in size than Brittany....not because the british think they're great 🤣
Rule Britannia Britannia rules the waves...😂😂😂
@@gnrseanra9070easy. Modern times for the Brits is World War 2. Can't get past it
It's almost like every single problem economists predicted the UK would have by leaving the EU was correct. But hey, you got your "sovereignty" back, congrats.
What's the British version of Murica?
@@TragoudistrosMPH Bri'an
But that's not true is it, you couldn't have said that in 2021, you sanctioned yourselves in EU!
Try reading the truth and not JOB
Good luck to the 27 american puppet countries borrowing 18billion euros to give it to Ukraine to buy yet more hses in the UK, US and Europe oh sorry i cannot say that😱 it is of course for yet more futile weapons for the joke Zelensky regime. Knkwing that they have already laundered billions on behalf of grandpa Biden ( FTX sound familiar). Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe so a perfect place for EU handouts 😱
2016: Scotland "this is a bad idea"
2023: England "that was a bad idea"
Re Tories
Scotland 1950s -" these are a bunch of crooks"
England 2023 - "these are a bunch of crooks".
@@grahamleiper1538 im english and didnt like tories in the first place :p
2016: NI "How is this going to work here"
2023: NI "How the actual hell is this going to work here"
@@QuandaleDingle-ji2tj I'm an American and I despise them! .... I was stationed in England '77 to '86 .... Turbulent times! But The Greatest Music!
@@Eavolution_ I mean that's the weirdest thing to me, right from day one NI was completely ignored...even in name! (Brexit rather than UKexit)
I wonder if all the NI protocol nonsense might just trigger reunification at some point in the future...
Most Conservative Brexiteers never really believed in Brexit, but UKIP had to be stopped from splitting the vote and letting Labour in. Amber Rudd is right, after a few drinks, Tory Brexiteers will admit it has been a disaster, and after a few more they will admit they knew it would be from the start. However, it has kept Labour out of office and served it's purpose, to the great detriment to the economy.
Hold up: So a nation and its economy was put at risk just to keep another political party out of power? That's nuts!
@@thetruth4116 Not only this but to stop new legislation around transparency in the financial sector.
@@indogoUI and possibly to stop tribunals over British troops actions in Northern Ireland going to the EU courts.
Not just Brexit splitting the vote, but stopping the ERG and sympathizers schism-ing the Tory party even further. Which amounts to the same thing, really. The Worst Prime Minister In History rolled the dice on a referendum he thought was an easy win to solve some annoying short term political issues. Despite HAVING ALMOST LOST ANOTHER ONE IN SCOTLAND TWO YEARS EARLIER!!
@@thetruth4116 It's a weird way of looking at it.
It was put at risk by the Conservatives to keep the Conservatives in power. UK politics is largely a 2 party system, with Labour and Conservatives being the two major parties, if Conservatives had lost power, Labour would have gained it.
It’s worrying that people voted for it in the first place thinking it was a good idea, but it’s genuinely baffling that any people STILL think it was a good idea after everything that has happened. What is wrong with those people.
They suffer from the mental disorder known as denialism. Which is actually the 1st stage of death.
They then quickly go onto the 2nd stage of anger whenever anyone shows them the facts on why Brexit was never a good idea.
The EU is going to collapse you fool, it was always inevitable
They always thought they better than the rest…that’s it 😅let them believe that nonsense 🎉
I watch Dutch news channels and although the Dutch MEPs do miss the UK representatives in some cases (like financial regulation where we think similarly) there’s a degree of relief that the UK had gone. Time isn’t being wasted on petty arguments, and appeasing the UK, and the EU parliament and committees function better now. There was a worry at the start that once the UK left things would be harder but counties are working together better without the divisions either caused or exacerbated by the UK delegation. We can’t assume that the EU would welcome us back even if we wanted to rejoin, and if we did I don’t believe we would have as much power nor our rebates. Rejoining isn’t a current option so we should be dealing with the fall out of brexit first before wasting energy on that campaign
All the more surprising as the Dutch are probably the continentals closest culturally to the British. The Netherlands benefited a lot from Brexit, with British businesses relocating there so as to gain a foothold in the SM.
personally i think that even if the reapplied EU wouldn't want them because unlike before Brexit the UK was adding a good amount of both political and financial power now both of those have fallen plus i think the EU would want to make an example of the UK if they reapplied by most likely saying that any laws that the UK was exempt from now apply.
The EU would be insane to accept Britain back. If a nation could just leave the EU and return to it without issue, then what is to stop literally any EU country from using the threat of leaving as leverage to force the EU parliament to give them concessions during legislative negotiation?
@@francoisleyrat8659 What? We are by far closest to Germany. English people originate from modern northern Germany/Denmark 🤡
Instead, Poland and the Baltics are arguing with Germany over sending tanks to Ukraine and arguing with France about boycotting the Olympics. Meanwhile, UK sends tanks to Ukraine and takes a stance on the Olympics. No dithering, the UK just gets on and does things. That’s why we left
Brexit is a wonderful soothing tonic! It raises my morale, bolsters my confidence in my own grasp of current affairs, not to mention my understanding of economics, and it confirms my sanity - simply because it is going exactly as predicted.
You forgot to mention, sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites. Leaving was about self governance, empowering the UK to make its own decisions. It does not set in stone what those decisions must be, it's back in the hands of the UK public and not in the hands of or shackled to Brussels.
The sales pitch was so laughably wrong and 52% voted for it. Why would the EU want that headache back?
Tbh, blaming Brexit for the current situation does seem to be a bit of magical thinking. I lived in London 2012-2016, situation clearly was not optimal. UK decided to turn itself into a purely financial services economy, build 0 houses, gut public services and seemed chronically incapable of any infrastructure. Brexit shaved of at most 0.5% of GDP/year, the UK could has a young growing population and a strong skills base, it could be doing much better, but it decided to just keep on the same shitty things.
@@liofalba The UK fucked up as it is. Housing is way to expensive throughout the whole country, non existing social care system, non existing health care and non existing workers right. I've moved to Germany 4 years ago and its about 1000x better here. Sick pay is mandatory (your full wage, not 50 pounds a week), 0 hour contracts are illegal, health care is in a whole another league and if you lose your job, you'll get 60-80% of your wage and get access to the free education system. This means that you can become a certified electrician, machine builder or something useful, not like in the UK where they provide dental assistant, secretary and other nonsense courses.
I personally never had to use any of these options, but it's there if anything bad happens.
@@deanfromhungary for sure, the problem with Brexit/EU obsessives is that the UK’s problems are of it’s own making and unlikely to be fixed by either major party which are filled to be brim with idiots and even worse, mediocrities.
I think Europe also became way more united and responsive because the UK as a anti-eu obstacle went away.
If the UK wants to rejoin, we must make sure they don't end up blocking again. Them having to join the Euro to show they are serious about the EU is a must.
Cared to explain how the UK would be helping the EU by adapting to the euro? (Genuine question, just want to learn)
@fabvz5436 For me, that's a Purley symbolic act of saying, "This time, we really mean it with the EU and want to give up a chunk of our sovereignty and be a progressive and leading force within the EU"
Don't forget to join the euro a country needs to fulfill certain criteria, the UK would obviously fulfill all criterias, the only reason they didn't join the euro bsck then was a special deal because the UK wanted to keep more sovereignty. Either commit or stay out.
Daft, who would want to rejoin?
The uk would never join the Euro
Why even re-open this can of worms. Just tell the Brits to eff off if they come crawling back
Now nobody wants to leave the EU
@msmissy6888no you’re wrong. In UE no more EXIT for all countries! Thanks UK
UK as a member of the EU: "the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare, unable to sort anything out in a timely manner.
EU after UK left: EU is more agile and able to respond to various crisis in a somewhat timely manner.
UK outside of EU: is a bureaucratic nightmare unable to sort anything out in a timely manner.
I think we found why the EU always felt impotent, and the infection voluntarily extracted itself to make the body healthy again.
"Self imposed Morgenthau plan?"
Im glad they cut us off, now if the UK can wake up and stop putting power in the hands of fraudsters maybe we can fix the nation(s) after the huge mess the tories have been cooking for the last 13 Years or so.
You are having a laugh, right? If it wasn't for the UK's intervention with NLAWs, while the EU sat on their hands, Putin would have been in Kyiv within a week. And that is not my opinion, it is that of the US military.
As an Indian, a country that inherited most of its current bureaucratic structure from our former colonists, the state of things does not surprise me at all. There is a case to be made for similar inefficiencies within the Indian administration as well. Even in 2016, it was obvious to me that the UK's misgivings with the EU are a matter of their own actions, perspective and preferences and not the EU member states. Rejoining the EU, even if they did welcome the UK with open arms, will do nothing to solve their political woes and their self proclaimed frustrations with government, administration and politics.
@@vishrutbansal2535 Didn't know that India inherited much of the Bureaucracy from Britain. But it does make sense that the British would leave one last "reminder" of themselves whit you.
To me it seems that Britain needs to abolish the Monarchy (to leave all the mess in the past), reform into an Republic, write a new Constitution and introduce proportional Elections.
Brexit to me is the “This is fine” meme. The UK economy seems to be worse off post brexit yet many in government are still nose diving into that dumpster fire for some reason.
With the FTSE at it's highest ever I'm sure you're right. Not.
@@stevejacques9359 That does not prove Brexit is fine. The IMF and Bank of England do not agree with you - but go ahead ignore the experts again.
@@tamaliaalisjahbana6849 oh the experts such as Norman Lamont or Paxman, Tamalia where are YOU from, where are you REALLY from...? Go live in Germany
And that nothing to do with 2 years of lockdown. What a Moronic comment ffs
IMHO if Labor had opposed Brexit from the start they would be in power now and not trashing now is just digging a hole for themselves.
This is what happens when ordinary people are made to think they're better than the experts. 80 percent economists predicted brexit would be a disaster.
What I would also say is, being informed is also very important and making informed decisions are important, don't make any decisions based on half truths
I think it was higher than that but your point is spot on
But it hasn't been, though much money is being spent trying to convince everyone that it is so
@@bobbysox897 Ever consider you’re exactly who he’s talking about: one of those who are convinced they know better than the stats, reports, realities and long-term forecasts?
If Britain doesn't change its trajectory, it is at risk of becoming a third world country. There are absolutely no benefits to Brexit.
Brexit proves that democracy is not for plebs and the like.
The biggest problem, is people kept voting to leave over and over. After the referendum came the EU election, and the brexit party got the highest votes, then came the 2019 election and obviously borris wanted brexit.
There were 3 big chances to remain and the public kept voting to leave, and I would not be surprised if there's a 4th chance in the future, and people still vote to leave.
Some people just never want to change their minds, because they are stuck with their own opinions.
Racism/hate is one helluva drug.
@@Sam-vi2howhy should British people permit more foreigners to come in?
the people of britain have spoken
"Some people just never want to change their minds, because they are stuck with their own opinions" - yes quite!! If the cap fits.....
British comedy at it's best.
No one regrets Brexit. The globalist elite in charge of this nation have simply refused to follow through as they grow rich from flooding this nation with cheap labour at the expense of the people . The globalist elite running the EU are the enemy of the people and you supporting them makes you a shill. The economy is under stain for allot more than just brexit.
Actually, it’s British comedy as it’s worst.
@camu camu cite your source
I assume you mean 'its' rather than "it's", which of course is a contraction of "it is"...
@@shinankoku2 His source is the IMF - he's just being disingenuous by _only_ showing the Q1 2022 figures. Q2, Q3, Q4 and so far Q1 2023 have been a steady, pronounced, decline into recession. Worst performing advanced economy _in the world_ right now, even worse than sanction-hit Russia.
To go to plan they would have needed a plan in the first place.
Indeed. Like that Pratt on newsnight saying it will improve after a generation. How? By magic? If there’s no plan for success then failure is the most likely option.
@@emilymcplugger Also, the fact that the plan needed a whole generation before things are as good as or better than living in the EU (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL) it wasn't a very good plan. (Indeed, there wasn't one)
How do you plan for shooting yourself in the foot?
Round and round, we all go back on that day, after the referendum, when a flabbergasted journalist relayed the answer he got from a prominent Brexiteer to the obvious "you won, what now?" question: "I don't know, the government should have a plan. It's their job, not mine. Ask them!"
“If people had just had some GODDAMN FAITH, we would have been harvesting Mangoes in Tahiti by now!”
Interesting to be told that the EU ,after UK left it , has become more dynamic. Now, I wonder why that is?
"Dynamic" all right. Flailing about.
@@tenton459 take the L British people
@@TrainsTer-91 Most of us have Tenton just a lil slow
after Britain left, the amount of wrenches thrown in the machinery got smaller, wonder why
@CrazyDinosaur I'm English and I'm starting to wonder if it was ever something we should've been in in the first place. I can imagine it works better now.
I'm getting a feeling that what made EU bureaucratic before Brexit, was the Britons toxic participation in the EU. If Britain was to apply, would be very interesting to see if we Europeans still considered British version of democracy and the rule of law would fulfil the Copenhagen Criteria of qualifying to join.
I loved the videos immediately after Brexit showing businesses who voted for Brexit suddenly realised they completely pwned themselves cause they didn't realise how their entire business model depended on what being in the EU provided
How much business did we do with the EU last year?
@@-Duo What a nice person you are! How is Joe and Hunter? Inflation is still higher under Biden (Bidenomics) great eh, world is laughing at America at the moment, those red hat voters have been fully vindicated. I think it's hilarious you blaming Trump still when Biden has been in nearly three years, just like you keep blaming the Russians for your own corrupt politicians.
@@-Duo The thing with Trump's tariffs was that they were based on the assumption that it would increase domestic demand, without bothering to check this with people who actually understand economy, such as economists. However, the assumption was also that Biden would do away with the tariffs, and he didn't - at least, not the Chinese ones. If anything, he increased them. And that is not for economic, but for geopolitical reasons.
The thing is that Europe and North America largely operate on the same principles, and our economies are intertwined enough that hurting each other's economies is just a bad idea. Plus, Europe is unlikely to threaten North America, and vice verse. (When I say "Europe", this obviously does not include Moscow.)
@@SeverityOne You mean like blowing an 'allies' critical infrastructure and then selling them LNG at a higher price?
@@gnrseanra9070I would imagine less, but I don’t actually know the answer. What is it?
One of the hardest things in life is to admit you were wrong about a thing you were passionate about.
Ehh? This is nothing but left wing tripe🤣 nobody cares about brexit now and these polls are washed out with wokist leftist and DO NOT reflect the public vote. The EU is dead it's morphing into the WEF as we speak😂
I agree. people who are against brexit should admit they are wrong.
@@martthesling😂
Especially when you're a stubborn old hag......word to majority brexiteers.
@@marttheslingNPC
Well, maybe the EU is working more efficient now BECAUSE the UK is out? Let's be honest: The UK never was fully committed the the ideas and principles of the EU , especially free movement (not a Schengen member) or the Euro as a single currency. As one of the former "big 4" (GER, FRA, ITA, UK), the UK was often the most conservative player, slowing down the integrations process.
I think the EU should use the "spanner not in the works" situation to reform itself.
I completely agree
Secretly the huns liked having us in, since we tended to agree with them on a lot of things but they didn't like to be so overt about it.
I wonder who did more to sabotage the EU: England (nothing 'united' about its Isles) or Greece and its economic lunacy?
May Hungary leave next, then!
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320 Oh sweety, try and keep up with the right millenium.
As an EU and Austrian Citizen I'm very sad that our Britsh Friends have left us. There should not be borders between friends!
Well at least got rid of those ungrateful brats, love from your italian neibourgs my friend!
@@Oppenheimer.J.Robert Yes, you are right, some of them were "raisins picking in the EU" and complaining about everything. I love Italy and I am happy, that there are no strict borders between us!
@@GerhardHofer-qy8sc Let's hope for further integration my friend
your gdp is too low to be our friend. you were just leeching off our economy.
That's a nice thing to say. Thanks.
Still puzzled by all the business owners who didn’t understand basic concepts like the common market and customs union and how leaving would gut their businesses. They should have known they were threatening their own livelihoods. But they didn’t. I mean htf did they build up a business in the first place.
That eel farmer on the BBC a year or two ago. Miserably wondering how he was going to survive after losing his customer base in France and Italy.
It’s so bizarre.
No, it isn't. Because a class of degenerated toffs are the upper echelons.
Not because of merit, but because of inheritances and knowing the right people.
So...maybe Brexit will be a good thing for the UK weeding out the incompetent,
so new people can take the place.
It will make a third country a third world country (check for the original meaning being unaffiliated to either west or eastern block).
But hey, they got exactly what they voted for.
An indirect consequence of leaving the EU is more expensive exports to non EU markets, making UK goods less competitive. For example, the English cheese monger I go to here in Canada gets a selection of cheeses from an EU wholesaler, and within a shipment he would chose a variety of UK cheeses. Since Brexit, there are fewer UK cheeses available from the EU exporter and they're more expensive. It's cost prohibitive to order directly from the UK and therefore UK businesses lose international customers.
This is why democracy is inherently flawed! The general population are not political technocrats
Businesses understood. PEOPLE didn't. People vote, not businesses.
the ones who got a grip on reality are paying now taxes in the EU....and have EU workers, with EU workers rights...!
must be terrifying fore them to not hire and fire anymore, they got used to it since 2021!
"We told you so!" - Entirety of EU and most of the world.
We warned Brits for years that Brexit is a terrible, dumb idea. Loudly. And repeatedly.
We were ignored or accused of fearmongering.
Well, at least it should be a good lesson for others.
You legitimately think a good brexit attempt has been made, by a party of remainers and globalists? Pull the other one lol
Indeed - remember a little noise about 'Frexit' (France) and 'Dexit' (Denmark) and others.
Nationalism and Old!Money is so ingrained in the British consciousness that the ONLY thing to help end it is to turn the entire Island into chemical-ash or let France finally conquer their old enemy who was delving into some serious forbidden taboos!
To be fair the vote to leave was pretty close, like 52%/48% so at least 48% of the UK are also saying "we told you so" and a hell of a lot of people who did vote for brexit now regret it. I think the majority of the UK now knows it was a bad idea.
@@pjs232 10 or 20 was pretty close ,but it was a lot more than that and do we Brexiteers get "Brownie" points for getting our idle asses out of bed that day in 2016 and actually voting unlike some that didn"t vote and have moaned ,cried ,
and whinged about it since ?. Have a nice Brexit .
as a EU citizen who looked at brexit with dismay and bitter taste, even if UK wanted back I don't think we should allow it. there are some deep seeded attitude problems in the UK. people should come to terms with that and fix it, before you even get the opportunity to re-join. I'd be extremely dissapointed if my country wouldn't veto against UK rejoining
You have to remember that 48% of us wanted to remain. Half of the country. That is millions of people so please don't tar us all with the same brush. Most people I know who voted leave only did it cause they were lied to anyway!
@@Holly23121997 i appreciate what you're saying, hence why i said fix the attitude issues. Mind you its not like the EU is THE best thing since sliced bread... looking at you Germany...
As for the 48%... that percentage will diminish if scotland breaks away... more drama there.
Bottom line, wish you all the best Holly, but i don't think I'm alone in my line of thinking
@Voroniel tbf the population of Scotland is under 6 million, England alone is around 56 million, so even if they did leave, I doubt the overall percentage would go down by a huge amount really. The breakdown vote for England was 53.4% leave 46.6% remain so not hugely different
Brilliant. Yes, please. Keep that attitude & do not falter. God Bless you Sir.
@@stephenprocter9424 i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. If you are, I'm curious as to why? If you're not, I'm going to say I'm not happy that it's come to this
I don't think the UK would ever choose to rejoin the EU for one simple reason: They would have to drop the Pound in favor of the Euro. They got to keep it the first time around because of grandfathering, or something, but they wouldn't have that luxury a second time and I don't think the UK is remotely capable of swallowing its pride in that regard.
The UK had so many good webshops an they are all more annoying to buy from these days... I can't be the only one looking for alternatives in other parts of europe when buying stuff.
A lot of specialty goods were sold through the UK making them the best place for EU citizens to get them.
Some of them have migrated to Dutch and German sites, but especially German sites can be an issue since they are almost always in German and not everyone in the EU know German.
now you have to pay import tax which makes UK products more expensive
We watch and read mostly English content, so that’s why we think that UK has good webshops but usually you can find a German alternative that is just as good or better but lacking the good marketing
@DoubtingThomas I do. Frictionless trade was win win for ordinary people , and business , on both sides of the channel, before the drawbridge was raised. Everyone is worse of because we have lost choice.
I recently wanted a pair of boots from an American brand that doesn’t ship from Europe, and so I had to find a European retailer. The cheapest and best option I could find was a Scottish website with a great range.
Shipping costs to Ireland, just next door, were over 50 euros. I found a German shop and sent my 200 euro to them. How many times over is that being repeated for others? The British economy is surely suffering greatly because of this alone. Small business have had their potential customer base absolutely decimated.
If only someone would've warned them...
If only the remoaners would leave since its gone so badly like they promised.
@@SaintGerbilUK yes, purge the 48%. Deport them to Rwanda, abolish the courts, lock up the lawyers, ban protest, ban strikes and gerrymander the vote. Only then will democracy be respected and not questioned by reality
If only the remoaners had allowed brexit to be fully implemented. Rather than fight every inch of the way so that the EUSSR keeps us in thrall 6 years after the democratic process mandated for th UK to leave the EU
@@SaintGerbilUK 😂😂😂😂 "we fucked up the country I get it stop telling us we told you so after you told us so"
@@SaintGerbilUK we'd love to, but you took away our freedom of movement, so you chained us to the boat you've sunk. Selfish, dumb c*nts
There is one major thing that went right with Brexit. Movements to leave the EU that existed in Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, and other EU countries all fizzled after observing the British experience. The EU is now much stronger.
Even here in Sweden no one wants to leave nowadays
It used to be a thing in France too and I think you're right it died
Unfortunately we can't say that about The Netherlands as the party that got the most votes in the last election is a party that wants to leave the EU.
As a Dutch person, the people that are anti-EU are still anti and I don't think the amount has decreased or increased
@@魔法-s4r it decreased in Sweden at least
Would it be safe to assume that the Britons want to return in to EU? Obsolutely not, I'd say. UK has a huge problem with their ruling class and also the system of governance which has proven multiple times to be inept to cope with severe imbalances. Neither the conservatives nor the labour party have any idea how the system could be modernized. The conservatives favor austerity while Labour favors excessive spending, none of them caring about the economy.
UK sowing: fuck yeah!!!
UK reaping: nooo noooo shut up!!! nooo
EU sowing: Nothing
EU reaping: Nothing
@@Rihardololz all EU countries doing better than us. wonder why?
52% to 48%… “we” really sowed that did we?
@@kanedNunable Greece better? you smoking spice again?
@@kanedNunable must be booster shot.
Brexxit really was a reality check for nationalists who didn't realize how much other countries were co operating with them to help them flourish
Then why is the EU struggling
@@83craigshagWe are struggling more, EU and the rest of the world are still recovering from the Pandemic and the war in Russia isn't helping.
We are struggling more than the EU, before we were one of the strongest economies in the EU in terms of recovering.
Now we are one of the weakest.
Brexit was a big mistake. We're poorer because of it.
@@rezarfaryou are struggling because of corrupt liars in the power, who are interested in making themselves rich and not in fulfilling promises they gave to the people who elected them. UK's leadership for years wasn't conservatives, but liars and thieves larping as conservatives
@@83craigshag And the brits are not struggling or what? :D
brexit is good
EU: "You couldnt live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me".
But I won't take you back.
We'll never live under your boot again.
@@SaintGerbilUK Good riddance.
@@SaintGerbilUK We never were under a boot you complete tool.
You forgot Muhahahahahaha
the saddest part of BREXIT?, the E.U. doesn't want them back as they are better off without the U.K.
Win-win.
Maybe the question isn’t if Britain wants to rejoin the EU, but if the EU wants Britain back
I fucking hope we don't come back. Our independence has always brought us success, the issue isn't brexit, its that our leaders didn't believe in it, and instead preferred the German super state.
@ralphmacchiato3761 no you're right, Jeremy hunt and rishi Sunak love brexit.
@@jameshayes2022 I quite like the EU! A school in my town waas 85% financed by it, as was every other project in my town.
@@jameshayes2022this is why we don't want you......
@@jameshayes2022 Yeah, sure. You're also really good at electing capable leaders, such as Johnson and Truss.
Bregret?!? Are we now going to have Bregretiteers? This is confusing.
Bregretibrexiteers
Personally im a Bre-entryneer
Brexmoaners more like. They won but it's still somebody else's problem.
... y'all confusing me even more! Now I am completely brexfuddled!!!!
To be fair, based on the opinion polls only about 6% of the country are true Bregreteers with another 18% probably being the people who either pretended they didn't vote at all, or lie about voting stay.
A friend of a friend who voted for, and who was very pro-Brexit is now back in Australia with his wife, their son, and his Polish fiance, with no plans to return. Ha ha. I knew little about the details, but my cousin who was a tax inspector foresaw the problems so I trusted her view and now watch the inevitable disaster unfold.
SOUNDS LIKE THE WHITE VERSION OF NAKMEEZY.
This isn't a disaster.
A disaster is one failure point causing great chaos.
This is a _clusterfuck._ Many small interconnected problems all cooking off at once. Northern Ireland. The Tory cult. Britain's half-commital to the EU. The hubris of English nationalism.
Each not quite a disaster, but all together?
SO ! ....... He has a wife and child in Australia. Whilst they were tucked up in Australia, 10,000 miles away, the tom cat picked up a nice piece of Polish squeeze and has taken it back to Australia with him ? What did the wife say about that ? Does he have them in the same bed, or have them on different nights ..... or .... has the wife started divorce proceedings ? It is hardly surprising that your cousin foresaw the inevitable disaster ...... CHRIST !!!!
@@terryhoath1983 Maybe it's his son's Polish fiancee?
@@tomasrocha6139 I was being mischievious ...... but maybe .......... just maybe ......... it is as I say. There is no accounting for remoaners or even the turncoats who only voted for Brexit thinking that they would get something financial out of it.
It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
I know that, in the face of Russian aggression, most Poles feel the same. I know that many Poles hate the Brussels Mafia but tolerate it for the German, French, Dutch and Luxembourg money that comes Poland's way. Having given up on trying to dominate Europe by military means, the Germans have nearly succeeded by economic means. BEWARE !!!
Britain has had 12 Challenger II tanks (the best tanks in the World) manned by British soldiers in the Baltic States for several years now, and now they are on their way to Ukraine with more to follow. Poland has now released 4 of their Leopards with more to follow. Where are the German Leopards ? If Britain was still in the German dominated EU, the Germans would have tried to stop us sending our Challenger II tanks. The Germans don't approve of much of the other stuff that we have sent.
I note that Christina's friend did NOT leave Britain to go to France, or Spain, or Italy, or Germany, or any other EU country but to AUSTRALIA. Even with its' links to Britain, the Australians have NEVER tolerated any diktats from the EU.
Being in the process of migrating to the uk from eu it's honestly ridiculous how expensive/difficult it is compared to a few years ago. I've lost 1800 pounds because my visa got declined because I can't apply from inside the uk on a "visitor" visa (but you won't find that on any government website). Now I have to wait 14 weeks and spend an additional 2900 pounds to apply from outside the uk for something that used to be instant and free... It's an absolute joke.
Most countries are like that, outside applications
@@Kurio71yes the netherlands has the same policy
You just get the treatment every other country outside the EU gets, which is totally fair. The reason Britain didn't see it coming is that they were too busy with getting on their high horses. The empire, the crown and all that other ridiculous stuff no one in the real world cares about.
Why are you still planning to go?
@@StopWhining491 Isn't it obvous?
Fun idea: Maybe the EU is operating a lot better now BECAUSE the United Kingdom is out?
I don't think the EU will accept the UK back in now that it's working much better than ever before...
FUN FACT: Yes.
Not true the EU don't have a problem with us rejioning the EU at all it's some voters and politions who dont want us to rejion
this is indeed not unlikely. Especially reforming to an Ever Closer Union including a stronger integrated military, wile being able to provide counter balance to the within NATO: this is desperately needed looking at Ukraine, and this is exactly something that was always opposed by Trojan Horse UK
@@rockattack plenty of integration but no real SAY. Rule taker instead of being part of the process
True story
The UK had such a good position in the EU. It reaped all of the benefits, while also have a million exceptions created for itself. The EU took a hit to their budget when the UK left sure, but ever since they did the institution has become stronger. If the UK ever wants to rejoin I feel like a lot of Europeans won't want to deal with the UK's lukewarm attitude again.
Abselutely. As a European, the very annoying attitude of the Uk during the brexit negociations plus some benefits of the situitions for countries like the Netherlands, Germany and espacially France, that have gained a lot of financial services from the UK ( espacially France, that also won back thousands of very wealthy french bankers/traders that were living in London. Combined to a general improvement of EU policies because the UK is no longer there to block stuff.
You should realise though, the attitude of Europeans is pretty vile to.
Whilst I am a remainer. I cant help but admit that Brexit has been a golden goose for me. Working in financial crisis management has been rather lucrative
There's always winners. Some people made hundreds of millions in 2008
You and Lord Snooty, then.
Can't blame you
Make the most of something, even if it is an utter cavalcade of cock ups@@karanaima
Lord Archibald Snooty the 3rd to you.@@christchurchcoventrytechie4413
In Europe we feel better with Brexit.
We are happy.
Good, we are happy too. The people who voted Remain not so much.
If the UK wants to rejoin but expects to keep all the previous perks, they might face backlash from the EU. The EU could say, "If you don't want Schengen and the eurozone, rejoining is a no-go." It's a bit ironic since the UK previously enjoyed special treatment and deals, yet they still had the classic Anglo-Saxon ego for pursuing their own interests as if we were their oppressors. This kind of thinking, where the Anglo-Saxons want special deals, is frustrating for Europe and beyond.
The conditions for joining the EU are pretty clear. Keeping your own currency isn't an option. Exceptions and exemptions generally aren't either, although some could be granted in exceptional circumstances. For example, Malta and Cyprus, as island states, have different considerations than for example Austria, so there's no "one size fits all" policy. However, getting exceptions because you think you are special are definitely off the charts.
@@SeverityOne well that has been UK’s approach all their life, and old members did get exceptions Denmark and Sweden have voted against the Euro and they will never adapt the Euro (at least without another referendum). While UK kept its own visa zone outside of the Schengen. But if they wanna rejoin as a new state… sorry not sorry
true that!
Good they should rejoin the Schengen so all this criminals who are hiding in uk get to jail
@@Incidental104 Joining without Schengen is rather easy, given that there are 2 members that are permanently being blocked from Joining, that is not a vital issue for the EU, the reason for UK and Ireland is simple, they are Islands, the biggest benefit of Schengen is the Physical border and in the UK that only manifests itself in Northern Ireland, and no Schengen is required the border remains open.
At this point, the world is looking at the UK as a car crashing in very slow motion. And a lot of people are in fact enjoying the show.
Brexit might have actually been a good thing for the EU as the voices in core countries (France, Italy per example) to leave have strangely faded away since Brexit.
What do you mean slow motion?🤣
@@jamesmitchellh According to most remainers the British economy should have collapsed catastrophically by now, but it's taking much longer than predicted for the economy to decay
@@matheuscabral1738 much longer? We’re already losing £100B per year
Lmfao, your entire continent is a car crash, travelling at mach 7. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
It’s true, we are facing shortages here in the EU. We are desperately short of popcorn. This Brexit sh*t is unmissable.
Who could have predicted a terrible idea would be a terrible idea?
Remainers?
Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history..
There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit.
👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame!
👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growth of GDP. Life exists outside the M25.
Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe.
👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites.
👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected.
👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative.
👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None.
👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length.
👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do.
👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time.
👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state.
👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment.
👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output.
👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912.
👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922.
👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910.
Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are.
Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline.
How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar?
👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain.
👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners".
👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close?
👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave".
👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%.
👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In the 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye.
Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout in the EU Referendum.
Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters.
👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.
Who could've predicted that a terribly infectious coronavirus would cause a global pandemic and a year long lockdown that would have major lasting economic consequences?
It wasn't an Idea.
It was a democratic vote.
It's called democracy.
Depends on ur prospective 17.5million chose what they though would be better in the longer term but Boris the clown never did what he promised in the manifesto. With that in mind we need legislation to hold future governments elected on a certain platcorm to be held accountable or they have to concede to another national vote
Honestly, Brexit was the right decision, the issue is that what was supposed to be done after it never took place, so our opinion of Brexit it's correlated to it in a negative way. Would the salaries gone up, would food prices not give up, would energy and health care for more affordable and available, Brexit would have made sense, but nothing really improved, only got worst, so the real question to ask ourselves is, how is this possible? And who is to blame, why are we not trading more with Asian countries, why is the east European food still the most affordable in the UK, why are tourists still not paying visas, why are immigrants students decreasing giving more opportunities to the British people, why is the NHS still so inefficient and why junior doctors still almost on minimum wage, while big CEOs and bankers are making millions? Why are we still allowing the same of items that companies are not playing taxations for, while actually providing a service in the UK, but billing it in Luxembourg or Ireland, and etc... Maybe the real problem is never been Brexit, but an outdated system that is now in the hands of banker's, were the state it's not seen as a democracy anymore, but a business.
Who would’ve thought that leaving one of the greatest international trade systems would be a bad idea
Only 6% of British companies do any business at all with the rest of the EU, yet 100% of our firms must apply 100% of EU regulations.
@@TheHillingdon2did you fall out of a time hole or something? You’re free! Enjoy it.
Hey, let’s talk more about privatizing your national infrastructure.
-signed your best buds
America
@@Name-ot3xw 🤔
@@TheHillingdon2 we’re struggling to maintain rate of profits over here, got a bunch of billionaires with itchy checkbook signing fingers. Nothing bad can possibly happen by selling us your water and or power supply, we promise.
Heard you might have a healthcare system in need of freedom too, while we’re signing things
@@TheHillingdon2your information is wrong.
EU 2016 (with UK) - slow, inefficient and bureaucratic
EU 2022 (without UK) - performed better in handling crisis
Maybe just maybe guys, you know who the problem is.... 😉
Some people in UK think that they can just rejoin EU if they choose to. Do they ever think of the possibility that EU might reject their request? 😅
Nah, they are likely to accept. The UK is a power house even with their turbulent economy.
@@bobrossopinions nah, we are fine, look at how many applications it took for you guys to be accepted in the first place... no, we are really fine without you and the pain from you leaving is still here and omnipresent... maybe in a decade or two when the betrayal has waned
@@bobrossopinions It is very likely, but not completely certain, that UK would be allowed to rejoin. And it will definitely not be under the same conditions as they had before.
@@bobrossopinions You might have a point if the EU was primarily an economic union. But to its core members, the economic union is and always has been a means to a different end: political union. And ever since Margaret Thatcher the UK made it clear they have no interest in political union with the rest of Europe. Most Brits - which includes rejoiners - don't understand this. The economic benefits of having the UK inside the EU don't matter if it sabotages the goal to achieve a deeper political union.
If the UK were to rejoin, they would have to give up their past special deals, and would be forced to integrate Schengen and the Eurozone. So the UK can rejoin, but cannot go back to the place it had before Brexit, it is either get integrated closer or stay out now
OK so if the EU is less bureaucratic and more dynamic since Brexit... have you considered that the UK was actually a major blocker to EU wide agreements (especially given we sent Farage & Co to represent us in the EU parliament)?
Yeah, if your ex is happy and prospering since the break up YOU might have been the issue.
Yep, it always disgusted me when farage would talk about British people not having a say in EU law, and talking about bureaucrats taking our money and not doing any work, when it was him and his colleagues who were elected and paid to represent the British people, and either didn't bother to show up for the job, or went just to insult the representatives from other countries. The UK had one of the largest groups of MEPs, and so we could have been very influential in shaping EU policies, but we were stupid enough to vote ukip!
@@Aranel_Alasse they didn't show up because they'd be outvoted. What was the point?
@@joycegibbs5267 non-ukip British MEPs weren't always outvoted because they actually shared political views with their counterparts from other countries. If UKIP MEPs could be bothered to vote, they always voted the way they knew would lose because they always wanted to be contrary to the EU parliament. That isn't because of some conspiracy against the UK, but simply because UKIP is an extreme fringe political group whose sole purpose was to be anti-eu. If they managed to win any seats in the house of commons, they would always be "outvoted" there too, because that's their whole bit. My point was that it was stupid to elect UKIP MEPs because then we wouldn't have proper representation in the EU parliament, while farage and co would pocket the salary, not bother to represent the people who elected them, and complain about "Brussels Bureaucrats" who pocket the salary but don't do any work.
@@joycegibbs5267 other MEPs show up, even when they know or suspect they'll be in minority. Even British MEPs did. Just like MPs in the Westminster Parliament do. Committees are about influence and being in the loop.
BREXIT was in large part motivated by distaste for their immigration policies but now the EU has shown down immigration and the UK has not lol
"EU doesn't look quite as bureaucratic as it did in 2016"
Well, Brexit served as a wake-up call for EU too.
And many of the delays were caused by the posturing of the UK government.
Probably because Merkel the unelected leader of the EU has gone.
Easier to blame other people for problems than to actually work on fixing the problems at home. Beware politicians that spend their effort blaming others rather than working with others.
You mean there are actually politicians who don’t blame everyone else?
(I’m in the USA)
@@patlynch6517 Well... Anti-Americanism has been a large part of French politics for a long time. Mind, it was useful for internal French politics. It had little to do with foreign policy or the USA itself.
While getting convicted in court was not exactly Nicolas Sarkozy's shining moment, getting France back into the NATO fold has to be applauded.
Harping against the EU, heavily supported by Rupert Murdoch's media empire, similarly has been an integral part of British internal politics for decades. It's funny to see that, now that the British can run their own affairs, they're making an absolute mess of things. The rest of the EU was better prepared for Brexit than Britain ever was. This whole pro/contra EU business has the strong possibility of tearing the UK apart. I do think that, in due time, a majority of the Northern Irish will vote to rejoin the Republic. I'm not entirely sure what will happen in Scotland, but they too stand a good chance of seeking independence.
As a first step Brexit is vital. At least we have a chance now. Next we need to find and elect a decent Govt.
Everyone Regrets Brexit? Well, the rest of the EU does not. Most are glad of we got rid of the always sherry picking Brits.
Who would have thought that a plan doomed from the start, and sold on outright lies, would turn out to be a doomed plan.
Wait, what? There was a PLAN? 🤯
Crazy how that worked out.
Well said, sir!
@@slashnburn9234 The plan was that there was no plan. That is so clever : how can a plan fail if there is no plan ?
@@flitsertheo that is indeed a cunning plan, worthy of Baldrick himself!
I'm confused why no one mentions the misinformation (Cambridge Analytica, Russia, Boris Johnson) and lack of a cohesive plan at the time (David Cameron) of referendum. That alone should warrant reconsideration.
It's pretty hard to convince some people that they have been made a fool.
"It's easier to fool someone than to make them accept they were fooled."
@@tails0420ify Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history..
There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit.
👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame!
👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25.
Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe.
👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites.
👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected.
👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative.
👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None.
👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length.
👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do.
👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time.
👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state.
👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment.
👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output.
👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912.
👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922.
👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910.
Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are.
Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline.
How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar?
👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain.
👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners".
👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close?
👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave".
👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%.
👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye.
Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout.
Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters.
👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.
to much input for the few UK audience here... they have already problems to understand basic information, like the UK isnt an important country or the EU dont need the UK etc!
@@English_Dawn I agree with many of your points about some lack of democracy within the EU but in many ways the EU only requested that all legislation made would be in keeping with the fundamentals of EU partnership (eg trade, human rights and movement of people) outside of that there was not much binding the UK and the UK had many privileges and ability to opt out of things we didn't want (eg EU money). Also in terms of democracy do we really fully have it - devolved governments for Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. An unelected House of Lords and a monarch who advises and signs off on legislation??
When it comes to our economy and various sectors the decline you have sited was pre-UK joining the EU in the 70's and in my opinion a lot of the UK's wealth and industry for example cotton was as a result of destroying India's cotton industry, using cheap labour from other colonial countries and finishing the product in the UK in factories in Manchester and Birmingham (Shashi Tharoor's book Inglorious Empire). The UK economy has been in decline since the independence of many of the countries it relied upon to gain its wealth. The UK (a tiny island) cannot expect to be in the same position it was at its peak. I will say the same for coal mining which was also unsustainable in the long term. The UK continued to be a financial centre because of its position it had placed itself at its peak of its empire, and embracing globalisation early. Much of its decline is not a result of the EU but of other countries having positioned themselves in the last 100 years to offer more on the global stage eg India, USA, Australia and China etc.
Lastly, in terms of benefits it would be great to get a solid idea of what the perceived benefits would be. The post Brexit vision spouted by Boris Johnson is to make the UK, particularly London the Singapore of the west with low taxes and trade with the global partners such as US, Canada, Australia, NZ, Nigeria, South Africa, India and the likes. Forgetting the poor history between many of these ex-colonial countries and the power dynamic and leverage some of these countries now have over the UK. As Obama said Brexit would make the UK fall to the back of the queue when it comes to global trade. In addition making the UK a tax haven during this late stage capitalism and period of rescinding globalisation seems counter intuitive to the needs of this country right now. Lizz Truss and Kwame Kwarteng was attempting to put us on this Johnson path with their tax reform and you saw how the markets reacted to that.
isnt one of the reasons the eu is able to function better is because it doesnt have to deal with the uk's sabotage?
So 28% of Britains still think it was the right decision to leave the EU. Let them suffer a few more years, I say.
Curious logic. The 28% probably aren't suffering.
At the time of the EU Referendum, one of the most ardent leaver areas ("Brexit Central") was the City of Stoke-on-Trent, formerly a stronghold of pottery, mining and steel but now a post-industrial wasteland. When the government tried to reassure EU citizens that they could stay on after Britain left the European Union, the local paper objected that "We need their jobs and their homes." The referendum in fact showed that Boston in Lincolnshire voted even more strongly to leave the EU. Consequently I was intrigued to see some recently-published analyses of the 2021 census.
It appears that the Boston region has the lowest level of education in England, going by school, college and university exams, both for those in work or seeking it and for adults as a whole. Adults as a whole (including non-workers and the retired) do worse. Stoke comes lowest second in the country. A certain London district, which was notoriously pro-EU, actually has a majority of working people with a university degree. That reminds me that the majority of people who bought the Guardian, back in the days before newspapers went online, were graduates.
Boston and Stoke have not flourished since Brexit, nor are working people as a whole notably better off.
I was aware of the age divide, whereby younger voters were for staying in the EU, and older voters wanted to leave, but had not realised that there was an educational divide too. England (and Wales) are beginning to look a lot like the USA, where Trump supporters show a similar division from his opponents.
The education divide comes across in converative and liberal votes also. People who vote left wing more often than not have a third level education. True for Europe and the USA. One has to be very careful coming to conclusions though.
Finally, the third variable is usually urbanization. That skews left wing also.
@@eamonreidy9534 So basicly the more youre capable of calling bs on the lies of faschists, the less likely youre going to support them. University is usually a new place compared to school life and also is a place of higher than average diversity. It also teaches critical thinking in a lot of classes. And in the cities you live together with a lot more people and they have also higher than average diversity. If you live next door of the syrian with his kebab shop you are more likely to doubt when a random tells you that syrians are a threat and a burden.
Makes sense to me. Only issue is that the right has an incentive to harm the development of the people so they dont loose all the voters. And they are harming the people on a daily basis, especially in UK and the US.
Boston has more Eastern Europeans than any other area of the UK and if you've ever been there, you'd understand why they voted the way they did. It's no longer a British town. It's packed full of Eastern Europeans that aren't really skilled or educated. The concentration of foreign culture has become so strong that it's overpowering the natives.
There really aren't many times that I'll accept the "we want our country back" argument for Brexit but in the case of Boston, I absolutely understand the cries of "we want our town back" and so they voted accordingly.
@@Pibikhen I have lived in both Stoke and Boston. The census analysts explained the low numbers of graduates in Boston by the lack of graduate-level jobs. That would be why the Eastern Europeans there are not highly educated either: they are doing the jobs in agriculture, factory-farming etc that young Britons refuse to do, preoccupied as they must be with expressing their culture with jellied eels and Morris dancing.
@@faithlesshound5621 Morris Dancing ... obviously a Joe Biden supporter.
While I feel deep sorrow when thinking about the British Youth and people that voted to stay, I cannot help but feeling a lot of "Schadenfreude" as well. For years I was so annoyed of posh British politicians "having their cake and eating it too" and then complaining that the EU doesn't provide them with enough cake. Now they must face the consequences of all that. Unfortunately, most of those in charge of the whole campaign are so well off that they do not really care. I hope that the British public will turn on them...
Oh we are don't worry
Oh we will. And then we're coming for the WEF nazis!
Eyes are opened. Evil globalists will pay for their anti-human and anti-life crimes.
@@angryherbalgerbil erm what
The EU doesn’t provide anything, it only has others money.
Money we used to have to pay.
@lesserspottedmugwump.363 it provides free trade, passporting rights for finance ect
It's worth noting its only really in England and Wales there is any real change of opinion. It was really English votes that visited Brexit upon all of us, Scots, Northern Irish and Gibraltarians all voted to remain. The regret is with the English, which is where it should lie along with the blame, as it was their votes that caused it.
@Gobby The majority chose to remain in those regions. It was never 100% one way or another anywhere: That’s not how democracy or referendums work.
no one really cared about gibralter.
Since not many people knew about their existance.
@Gobby "All" in the democratic sense - as in all constituencies in Scotland for example voted to remain by a majority democratic vote - therefore its true to say all constituencies voted remain. They did as that was the result of the vote when tallied so it is fair to say 'all' when speaking of the result of the vote.
I often see these types of comments and while it's hard to disagree with what you are saying, I wonder why you always leave Wales out of this? The Welsh voted to leave in similar proportions to England
@@davidty2006 That's a fault of those of us who live on the British isles, it does not make their votes any less valid or important however. Its interesting to note that had Westminster accepted the proposal of the devolved parliaments, that for a leave vote to win it should require not just a simple voted majority but also for a majority of the constituent parts of the UK to be in favour of leaving it would have turned out differently. The result as it was on that score was 3-2 in favour of Remain, with England and Wales on one side voting Leave and Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar on the other voting Remain. Had that been the deal we would not have left, and we would have seen then I think just how genuine England's is in its claim we are all equal partners in the UK with equal voices. Would England have accepted remaining in the EU against its own vote to leave just as the other parts of the UK have had to accept England's choice against our wishes to remain? It would have been fascinating to see the outcome, I suspect England would not have liked it very much at all had the boot been on the other foot and the UK really was a place of equal nations as claimed.
Seeing the state of the EU lately the only thing I regret is voting remain. Thankfully my countrymen saw the good sense that eluded me at that time. Yes we have an incompetent government that failed to offer or *deliver* a Brexit that worked for literally anyone (I have NEVER voted Tory, for the record), but Brexit is not to blame for the UK's problems.
A lot of other leave voters are now pretending they voted remain too. Still spouting the same nonsense but it's a start I suppose.
@@razormothpictures9779 If you say so. I did vote remain, but like I said, in hindsight I am happy we left. If nothing else, it makes people like you miserable, and that brings me joy.
@@chuck1804 It doesn't make me miserable I'm afraid as I don't live in the UK. I guess your situation and outlook do make me feel a bit sad, if I think about it for too long. Hopefully that's enough for you to get some glimmer of joy out of?
It’s going exactly to plan! Because there was no plan.
Was a global pandemic that disrupted much of the world's economy, and the resulting lockdowns, all part of that plan?
The people who campaigned for decades and won the support of the people have been denied a chance in power. Parliament has 85% life-long pro-EU activists against Brexit and working for the EU. Perhaps you would like to rejoin and have 15% of MPs in support of the EU...
Turns out that 'Project Fear' was actually Project Reality... FFS 🤦🏾♂️
Where's the mass unemployment?
Why are there still planes landing?
You forgot about all the bullshit project fear was projecting.
Now it's project "told you so."
Wow, really? That's a manipulation of reality that even the Soviet propagandists would be proud of. If Project Fear had actually been Project Reality, you would be living in abject poverty now. Project Fear promised the economy wouldn't even wait for Brexit to be completed, that everything would start imploding immediately after the referendum. Project Fear was bullshit - even with the pandemic that no one could have predicted, the negative effects of Brexit as promised by Project Fear absolutely did not materialise. Not even close. If you don't believe me, see for yourself - it should not be difficult to find archival materials of what the Remain side actually said before the referendum.
People laughing at us brits forget that almost 49% of us voted to remain. We never wanted to leave and now our childrens future are destroyed. To compact more misery in the very same tory government is still in power and destroying the little we have left.😢contrary to your beliefs there are still good people in the uk, who have done no wrong to anyone and don't deserve this punishment.
Tories are gone now. Things are finally changing.
Brexit has damaged the UK so much, the places near me used to bloom with EU students, spending their money here, young people from Spain, Italy, France making friends here, bright kids from eastern Europe studying here, now only those who can afford £90k on their education can study here, meaning 0.0001% and the city has lost 1000s of students bringing a lot of money in tuition fees via loans and spending millions here.
Bull
That doesn't make any sense. We have more foreigners then ever coming to our universities. Look it up
I have to disagree, there are more international students than ever at my University, though the makeup is a bit different. The process to study here from the EU is not a whole lot more tedious, it just requires a visa now which is easy enough to obtain
Rubbish!!
More places for UK students at top UK Universities. That's a good thing.
The main reason the EU has improved so much recently is that the UK is out. Without the Brits slowing everything down and mindlessly challenging all EU decisions, now the union can finally shed the dead weight and do what is right.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@DoubtingThomas saying it isn't so doesn't make it true. I mean EU's COVID response etc has been good.
Nope, it's becoming what the UK wanted because voices in Europe felt the same just not as loudly as the UK. It needed change and ofc the Ukraine situation helped force the change too but let's be clear Brexit did result in the bureaucratic elite reconsidering their position.
They can finally become the one state empire they always wanted and prove brexiters right.
Thing is though, an empire usually has border controls but the EU doesn't have any.
Of course, that was what Hitler and bow Klaus Schwab always wanted; an efficient, corporate world where they can peddle their eugenics and transhumanist evils unchecked.
Have fun, I'd rather die starving than join the nazis in their continuing evils.
Britan in 2019: 🎶 We are never, ever, ever getting back together 🎶
Britain in 2023: 🎶 It's me. Hi. I'm the problem it's me. 🎶
@Steve Bull who said we want you back lol
It is not a problem. The logic is sound.
no one regrets it. you are admired in europe, France wants to leave, Italy wants to leave, Greece wants to leave, corruption has been massive and you all still follow like sheep?
@@ahmedmahmoud542 It's Europe that is being discussed here.
Then why does everyone want to live here ?
The delicious irony of Brexiteers annoyed about Brexit not working out the way they were told is, that they were lied to, they knew it and they liked it. 😊😊😊
Yeah they won't allow us back in without some heavy caveats. The EU said multiple times we could reverse the decision at any point during the leaving process... I think we have this regret too late.
We don't regret anything you clown.
We still have not left.
I am Irish but living in Portugal now and most of my friends here are British and so far they have all said that Brexit was a huge mistake!
Ok how is Eurozone?
@@gnrseanra9070how's Brexit?
I'm so jealous. I was saving to buy a house in Portugal.
Now I have the money through years of sacrifice and nothing to do with it.
I'm not willing to use it as a deposit on a shity little English flat and pay mortgage forever.
I just don't know what to do . Living in Britain isn't really possible anymore because the rent to wage ratio.
Some people would be like buy a house up north then .
No it's a shit hole .
@@dilksjoel All good we had highest growth in G7 till last quarter of 2022 and growth overall 6.8% despite COVID.
@@avancalledrupert5130 So why are you on this site whinging? Are your feelings hurt we left or just bitter?
"Brexit not going according to plan" - you are kidding? What plan?
Plan of the brexiter fantasists. Able to open our trade to the world and trade with lucrative nations and increase our wealth. We had it great in the EU - our ecobomy and social standing. Sadly, a narrow majority of 52% from an advisory referendum was sufficient to take that away...
I wonder what the results would be of a poll asking whether people in the EU want to let the UK back in and, separately, if they would want to let in an independent Scotland.
Yes, wish we had that poll in the EU.
@@AcademiaFeraz Hold on a minute. As a mainland European I quiet like the idea of the Scottish joining as an independent country. They basically flirted super hard with staying in the EU as an independant country already and having them in the Union might just bring all the English and Welsh who wish to stay to just move there.
I think the answer is very simple. Scotland will be welcomed with open arms, England never again.
Don't forget the vote was incredibly close - 48% of us wanted to remain don't tar us all with the same shitty brush! Half of England still wanted to remain!
I agree. The EU would be best served if they did not let the UK back in. The UK would also be best served if they did not let it back in. A win/win situation for all!
I think that this might mean that actually whenever the UK rejoins the EU, they will have to give up a lot of the special priviliges they had before making them a more useful member of the EU overall, it really helped show people who had grown up in a connected European world what it was like to not be part of that world which really came to a shock to most people which I think is good overall, sometimes people need to make mistakes to realise things.
My own opinion about the EU was similar to those of Brexit supporters, but in these years the EU has proven its value, time and time again, which has made me see the organization as the best thing to happen to Europe in its entire history, it is not perfect but it is better than the alternative.
Obviously remoaners can't accept a referendum, but I doubt they would win a civil war either.
Yeah obviously
Which is why I am heavily against rejoining the EU, rejoining will cost more than it's worth.
@@jayc342009the question isn't, "can the UK afford to rejoin the EU", what you should be asking is, whether the UK can afford to be without it?
The EU was inefficient in part because of Britain blocking lots of initiatives. Britains philosophy never was aligned with the majority of EU countries that wanted a closer and more centralistic EU the plays a bigger role. Britain always wanted the EU to be nothing more than a common market for them to make profits. Now without Britain decisions are made much quicker. What that means in the long term and if this is is good thing remains to be seen though.
As a European, I thank the UK for the bottom of my heart for finally leaving. Since Brexit support for the EU has skyrocketed and we're more united than ever. Thank you UK
@@guerreiro943 As a Brit, no problem, but life kinda sucks for us now.
Statistically the UK was more than 80% on the winning side of decisions making in the EU
@@guerreiro943 ''as a european'' haha what is one of them, you are racist. Thank you germany for sending helmets to help Ukraine, you pathetic weak war starting but war losing fools. Do not worry the anglosaxon Brits and yanks will save Ukraine while EU worries about economy and greed
@@stigkrakpants3052 I'm not German. Why are you so upset anyways? Just breathe and chill for a bit my dude.
Brexit can’t” go as planned” because it wasn’t planned. To quote Trump: “it was a concept of an idea”nothing more nothing less.
What I can say is: people has the power! You chose to leave... Nobody forced you.
You are like that one kid who thinks too highly of yourself and didn't want to play with the rest of the children. You thought your toys were more fun to play with, than to share them with the other children. When you are at your corner playing by yourself, you see how happy other children are. Well, too bad so sad...
Indeed this the fault of brexit voters, nobody else
Yeah nothing to do with the campaign of lies for years. We actually believe it would benefit the country, which if that'd what your are told for years why wouldn't you want to do that. Obviously it's been a compete shit show now and we're left feeling embarrassed that's the situation but it wasn't the plan.
@@JBengey if anyone believe a obvious lie and doesn't listen to opposed views then that on them..
Your embarrassment is of your own inequity and pales into insignificance with the damage your vote done to human rights, the economic future and political future of this country.
If I were a brexit voter then I'd be scared of when majority turns against them for taking their rights
@NeilCWCampbell people listen to both sides, just one was more convincing to over half the population. It shouldn't have even been on the table in the first place, but it was. Had covid not have taken place the outcome might have been more positive but we are where we are. To say no one else bares responsibility is a ridiculous comment.
@@NeilCWCampbell If I remember correctly the majority of Brexiter were old timer while the people who voted for stay in the EU were younger generations 🤔
Thank you Great Britain to sacrificing yourself for strengthening the European Union by pulling out. 🤷
yes, your total catastrophic failure of an exit, unitet the EU in laughter, skadefryd
If only that’s what Nigel Farages daddy did.
lol yeah
The EU improved the minute UK’s politicians left, while UK’s politics became funnier than ever before… coincidence?
This brings me to a question: Even if brits decided to re-apply sometimes in the future, should Europeans want them back (remembering all the history)?
I think they would be open to the idea, but not with the same privileges the UK had previously. The UK would either be forced to meet all current requirements and integrate deeper into the political elements of the union, or stay out. So if the UK as a whole generally is willing to make the required sacrifices to re-join, then they would happily take them back, with the UK becoming just an ordinary member like Greece or Romania, rather than a big player.
@@colinwalker6804 I meant my comment more as a joke, but I find your answer valuable and I agree :)
@@colinwalker6804 And you are wrong. EU invested billions over Brexit.
Do you think that the new harbors infrastructure built in france, belgium, netherlands are going to be payed by themselves? or the finanancial companies investements to absorb the City market?
Until those investments are payed off, a rejoin is out of discussion.
I think the answer is very simple. Scotland will be welcomed with open arms, England never again. Hopefully Scotland can break free from England and so can Northern Ireland. Then England and Wales can indulge in the freedom they have gained through Brexit undisturbed. This will be fun as the Picts continue to develop economically north of Hadrian's Wall while the English rub their eyes and still wonder what went wrong.
No never, it is too rightwing ,wanting To go backwards rather than forwards and progressive.