OCULUS RIFT S vs VALVE INDEX : Is it Worth the Upgrade?
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- Welcome to Episode 16 where I go over my experience with both the Oculus Rift S and Valve Index headset. Was it worth the upgrade? Should you also leave your Rift S behind? Or for first time buyers, is it worth dropping a grand on your first headset? I answer all those questions in this video.
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i recently used the Index for the first time after 3+ months of using the Oculus Quest, and i couldn't shut up about how good everything looked. the higher FOV + framerate + pixel density makes such a huge difference, especially if you're used to a cheaper headset
Agreed, I was NOT prepared for how big of a difference the Index actually made. It really is worth the hype!
“So I used the Index to go to Japan”
That makes me want the index even more than I already did
“i wanted to get an index so i went to japan”
My first headset was a Lenovo Explorer and every time I put on my quest I marvel at how much better everything looks and how much more comfortable it is visually and being cordless. I hear about how awesome the Index is and it makes me really curious but for now I think I'll be sticking with my quest and Virtual Desktop. Especially since being wireless let me go from my 4x4 playspace in my home office to my 12x8 playspace in my how gym without moving my PC. Perhaps in a year or two there will be a wireless index solution or a more comparable quest and I'll be able to join you all in the realm of the highly pixelated.
"I have my second body here to demonstrate-"
Okay, that's funny. Also, 2:16. Using that channel lore already, eh?
Exactly, new fans might not know what that means
@@justinrodriguez476 I am one of those people, could anyone direct me to the originating video?
@@justinrodriguez476 Explain
@@cptcrogge flonnarb: smash
@@u-k thanks
Her (virtual Phia) movements look so more natural now!!
Fullbody + finger tracking has gone such a long way!!!!! :D
Phia in Vr:
Cute anime girl
Phia irl:
Cute real girl
I smell cap
@@nohbdy5060 ikr
Imma defend this lad, he ain't simping, he is just stating his personal opinion
Now sending phia money for anything in return because of that opinion, that's simping
Simp Together Strong
The real question is:
Does the index still smell like fish?
if she does some nasty shit then for sure
Never smelt like fish for me
@Agant, in the unboxing video she said it smelled like fish for her
@@danchookami she was smelling herself
Wakusa 👀
Thank you for taking the time to do this! I’ve been looking at upgrading to a valve index so this was so helpful!
Love your show. The passion and information you have shown regarding VR has lead to a desire to set up my own Vlogger channel in the future with a custom VR Avatar. I'm learning Blender currently. I haven't done anything 3D in over 20 years and it's amazing the advancements in software development since then. Thank you Phia!
Nice summary and I mostly agree. Rift S is super solid and the best budged headset if you don't have the money or want to wait 8+ weeks for an Index. I've never had driver issues however the mic and headphones are total ass. Also don't get if you are not close to average IPD it's just going to strain your eyes. It does feel more comfortable and has less noticeable god rays than the index but just about everything else the index beats it out. I might also add the Rift S is easier to travel with if you want to take it too a friends house as well.
ChrisQuitsReality yo I watch you your funny guy
IPD ?
This is such a great video. I felt the same way when dropping the money from a Oculus Rift CV1 to a Index and. Man was it worth the money.
Also thank you for the follow on Twitch when I was doing a DJ set I did recently!
I'm just going to wait for the next gen, honestly. And a bigger house.
next gen is gonna be in like 2-3 years.
nico. Hp reverb g2 comes out in autumn
mectic I feel like everybody is acting like that’s going to be an index killer but hp hasn’t exactly had the best track record when it comes to vr headsets..
BrickBrik You can’t really judge hp by there older headsets. More tech is coming out that is becoming even better and their headset can be one of they pieces of tech that is revolutionary.
Chad TV and I hope it is, I just don’t think people should be hyping it up as much as they are otherwise they’re gonna be disappointed. And I don’t understand why I’m not able to judge hp on their past headsets? Is that not usually how you judge a company, by looking at their past products and basing your expectations on that?
I really like the intro and the introduction! Your videos really helped me on deciding which VR headset i should buy. I ordered the Index, but the time you have to wait is insane.
I changed from the Oculus CV1 to the Index and it has made a world of difference to my experience to the cyber world of VR. I love the Index so much I bought a second one for the second pc so my friends can come over and try out vr with me and meet all Virtual friends! Great video! Keep the awesome work going
me in vrchat this evening: *wanna Floonarb?*
"girl" in vrchat: *what's Floonarb?*
me: *Floonarb my world*
i dont get it
@@nico.7907 it's complicated and *very* silly
@@amiesports explain pwease
@@nico.7907 ok. there is no word joke here. only this: so say I make a private world called "Floonarb" in vrchat to invite people for ERP. "Floonarb" is the verb and also the name of that world..
Therefore inviting someone to "Floonarb" has a double meaning
yeah, it's silly right😭
@@amiesports i swore it was something lewd lmao
I have had my rift s for over a year and never had a single issue with my headset. Love it and won’t upgrade until a significant new headset is released ☺️
Thats great! I had issue throughout the whole first month, and now i only have them once or twice a week
@@jacoblyalls4026 FPS dips suddenly in games like dropping to 40fps. Game plays but the screen in VR is frozen in place. Sometimes not tracking 1 or the other controller. Delay when moving around to fast.
Im going to get the RTX 3080 so i hope most of those things are related to my videocard and will be gone
Me with my htc vive and Also me being stupid thinking the rift s would be and upgrade got my index and was truly the upgrade I was looking for
Same here! I do sometimes have the plug in problem though… nothing else of the problems she talked about… about the handles! There is a grip for the rift S on Amazon for 15usd that fixes the problem of always having to hold the controller, and I got myself a different face cover to get the glasses closer! So I think our beloved S is a Budget Variant where little changes can have great impacts on the immersion!
Wow this is perfect timing since I was thinking of going between these 2 headsets. Thank you!!
I just got my Valve Index in today (11/14/20) after ordering it on 9/28. Thank you so much for the video!
Thank you for making this. I'm just about to buy my first VR headset and this is really helpful.
Same she really helped me choose
Soo which one is it? The Valve Index?
She hasn't mentioned but there's also HP Reverb G2 coming up, it looks promising.
Patrick Jackson the reverb g2 with valve index base stations and valve index controllers seems like it’s by far the best setup on the market right now. you need two vive tracker usb drives to set that up though. the whole setup ends up costing like $1250 though. MRTV has a video on it. :0
Patrick Jackson The valve index
@@cannedolives Yes and no. It would be the ideal setup but the fact that the lighthouses and controllers aren't officially supported makes it a big fat no from me. Any day a new software update could break compatibility.
Your vids are FAB
Simp
@@madarauchiha5253 shush
@@madarauchiha5253 you ain’t got no friends
I roasted him 8 months ago
thanks for doing this vid, kinda tired of not being able to what people say in their reviews, but your voice was super clear! wd!
Very informative video :D definitely helped to answer some of the questions I had regarding an upgrade. You make it very relatable
as a fellow rift S owner,
every word you said about it I had experienced as well, I no longer play vrchat in VR
Uh. What? Wtf do you mean? you have a rift s why dont you play vrchat in vr lol, I have a Rift S too and its wayy better than an index cuz of the price but even the hardware of the index the only better thing is the fov, the Rift S will always be t he best
@@vagatronics What are you smoking? The Rift S is better in the price comparison category, being a good blend of cost and performance, but when it comes to hardware, the Rift S might as well find the nearest cliff to jump off because there is no competition.
That being said, for the OP, I don't see why you would want to stop using VRChat all because the headset isn't the top of the line. Remember that many people's introduction to VR was the Quest before the link functionality was added, and to them, it was still great.
OH, and Oculus Hardware? I've been yelling at them since my DK2 days. The hardware is great (when it works) but the software side? Oculus should be ashamed.
@@vagatronics did you watch the video? the rift S crashes EVERY time I use it, if it even boots that is, there's so many issues that she lists in this video that would deter anyone from putting up with it, it's a horrible consumer experience. Unless you fancy crashing every 10 minutes after 30 minutes of setup, don't think you'd want to use it either
dragon dude if you’re gonna shit on something, do the research. Sure, the Rift S has a better value for its price. But the Valve Index has far better controllers, far better tracking, far better audio, far better refresh rate, far better build quality, a far better microphone, far better pixel density, far better comfort, far better FOV, and far better adjustability. Wtf do you mean.
dragon I’ve used both the Index and the Rift S. Money isn’t a problem for me, so I have both. The Rift S is great for its price, but the Index is just a next level experience. Especially with the refresh rate. You don’t know what you’re missing until you get it.
Its good that you didnt just praise the rift s because it was your first headset, you actually explained the flaws and inconveniences of the headset
You are so full of life it’s so refreshing seeing someone so happy doing what they’re doing on youtube
This was a great review Phia. You did a great job. Congratulations on a successful review.
i love how she still held the controller with her thumb because of muscle memory
1:04 what happened to ur HMD lol
Tea for god happened in a tiny play space
I have an Index on the way as an upgrade from my Rift S. Your video has me hyped for the quality of life improvement! Thank you for making this comparison video.
That video came up at the perfect time i was just watching the guid to vr in 2020! Thanks!
I literally just have ended the unboxing video lmao
I'm still on the Rift and I've luckily never had *any* of those issues you've mentioned PHIA.
The closest I've had was connection issues that only occurred when moving my equipment across country to visit relatives for a longer period of time when I then had to re-setup everything.
But that was about it.
I otherwise hear a lot of complaints about the Index'es controllers breaking way too easy.
For instance one of my streamer friends have had his break 7 times in total so far.
Knowing that and having owned my Rift for 2 years without any major incidents with the exception of me breaking my right controller once because I was an idiot trying to clean it where I shouldn't; I will say... Yea no thx; I think I'll stay with my Rift and if I do upgrade at one point I will never sell my Rift.
With that said, keep up the great work making these videos PHIA.
I’m honestly waiting for a knuckles v2 just because of the durability issues.
Idk this video sounded more like she was getting paid to talk so positively about the Index. She hasn't had the Index long enough to find the real problems with index besides the initial problems. I see in a month or so a video where she has way more problems than she realized and wants a rift s again
Phillip Hodges As much problems as the index has, it is still the best headset on the market for its price and probably will be for a while. Wouldn’t be worth downgrading to a different headset over sending it in for repairs.
@@TridentVruinzTheSniper in her case it isn't downgrading when she has to get the index repaired since she already has the rift s. For people that are looking to get the Index as their first headset they need to be made aware of the issues that it has with breaking and such. That is why I said she hasn't had the Index long enough to do a review yet. She may never run into the issues that many have run into but she should still include what many people have run into to give a fair review
tbh i watched many vr yters.. but the way u explain somthing or the thing with the cars was kinda funny :D keep it up u got a new fan
Thank u so much I thought it was just my rift s but because of you I upgraded and my content for my channel will be better
Mr.dino just subbed :)
When you watch someone talk about something you can never get.
Me: Knowledge is knowledge
Y'all talking about the headsets but I'm curious as hell how she does those emotions in VR.
Would you like an explanation?
Her avatar, some have set emotes with a gesture on your controller
@@aiedigitalvisuals3486 She has body tracking.
@@awesome9174 kilzial means the face emotions.
and common answered right.
I appreciate your help I currently cant afford a computer for vr or really vr in general, but now I know which one to get thanks for being as helpful as always!
Greetings from Spain. You are the first person in the VR world that makes me wonder what to buy, thank you, now I know that I buy the valve index better
On the third world countries, VR headset is expensive as hell.
Like my place, Thailand, no Steam Index, HTC Vive is at least 20k in THB.
; A ; //sad noise
Same here in iran :/
you guys could try making your own with your phone? there is lots of guides online. I did it before I got my newer headset. you do need a semi decent computer though
Buy an oculus? I live in a country in asia where vr headsets are thousands besides oculus(even though the price is worth it)
@@ConekQ The price is more than 19k Thai Baht if it's not cardbox.
Hinaomi Akiyama where
As a previous rift s user, I can say, Im glad I went back to the cv1
How did you overcome the lack of replacement cables available.
@@Prestonification Mine never broke and I have 2 since they let me keep my old one when I got mine refurbished
This was a really good video. I agree 100% with everything you say. Good job
Love your videos, Phia!!! :D your videos have been so helpful to me when it comes to VRChat and I'm excited to get my first VR headset ever -- The Valve Index! I was thinking of getting a Quest 2, but the high praise my friends and you have given it convinced me it was better to just go big for something that's really good from the start. Why get a Mater when I can just get a Lightning McQueen! 😝 keep up the great job and hope everyone subscribes to the Virtual Reality Show! 💙
WOW this is a landmark video I'm legitimately BEAMING. PHIA for President #PHIA2020
How are u 2 days early?!
@@papichulo4527 Patreon, maybe?
Your first
FE4RW0LF time travel
Zlatevlad your right!
2:15 "wanna floonarb" OMG I CANT XDD
So just bought the Rift S for my 9 year old. Once I get a new PC I'll get the Index. My co-worker recommended it also. Very helpful vid, thanks.
I love this channel man.
Me: Finally decides what headset I want
Also me: watches a review *Confused Screaming*
just wait for the new headset oculus is gonna announce in a few days, the rift s is okay ;)
Phia: Gets index
Hp Reverb G2: 😐
To be fair I don't think the g2 has the wider FOV, or the higher refresh rate.
And it's inside out tracking so not as accurate as the bay stations.
Really excited for my Index, get to order it on August 20th :D
Good review! Thanks.
Lol this video comes out the day after I pay to upgrade my rift s for the index
I am going a sorta cheaper way, had the OG vive for 8 months now, upgraded to a audio strap, replaced the lenses and bought some valve knuckles(Still on their way from my friend in the US) Id like to just ditch the og vive headset but i really dont have the room for now, or the money to import one (says the guy paying $600 australian dollars to import knuckles
sick work on Jacks avatar! you actually managed to model his entire forehead
that being said
I really like your video, great job in your comparison
I'm glad I saved up money and waited for these upgrades to come by that way I can jump right in to the more high end stuff on the market right now hence the full index kit. Literally taking a huge leap from small hp laptop to my new gaming pc that I'd say is worth investing. 3D Modeling, Illustration and Graphic Design is up my alley that I want to run and get into as well and I feel vr is one incredible tool and experience that supports that.
I wish i could finnaly be done building my jank pc so i could even use it😂
But I'll be dead by the time it gets here
Phia if you didnt know the size can be adjust from the nuckles controllers from bigger to smaller (by pressing the palm holder towards the A and B button) if you look closely you see like Grey dots that measures 4 stands... So you know, love the content that your making keep up the good work!
it's funny you mention the issues with getting Oculus connections to work that's been an issue since the original rift and i had that problem as well. Took some trial and error to figure out which ports would actually work reliably. I'm looking at new headsets so your video is certainly helping me choose which to get.
Correct USB 2.0 and 3.0 combination for Headset and Cameras is free minigame to play on Rift. Had fun with that too, and other USB devices were constantly disconnected/connected to make it more fun :D
2:16 😳.....
😳😳
It's almost 6:00 in the morning, I haven't slept yet, I already have the index, why am I here?
Good content, that's why
I put my order in yesterday for a full kit. Nervous but really excited to be notified. I hope I can find some vive trackers for retail in the meantime.
"Out Of Stock" is a good quote for this year
You will be waiting 8-12 weeks :D
@@JustJamesYT my Quest will hopefully keep me occupied in the meantime. as long as it doesn't fail me. hehe
Wow avatar thing worked really well. Good job
I love my Index and it's features over the other HMDs, especially the off-the-ear speakers (not really headphones) as it allows you to hear more naturally (and around you if needed) and retains no heat around your ears.
On the other hand, the black levels of the Index's LCDs suck. I mean, really suck. Its more like a very dark gray. Its not as noticeable in games like Beat Saber (games with lots of objects or bright colors on-screen); however, in games with night scenes (Walking Dead Saints and Sinners) it can be slightly annoying. I believe this was the trade off with these LCD panels as they can be set up to 144Hz.
The soon-to-be released HP Reverb G2 might be a good choice for those wanting the best of both worlds (Valve tech + no external trackers). HP colab'd with Microsoft and Valve to design it - its a Windows Mixed Reality headset (inside out tracking) but uses the same speakers from the Index and Valve designed lenses. It will feature the highest resolution panels vs all the other mainstream, consumer HMDs (barring the Pimax). The only issue with inside-out-tracking is that your play area needs to be well lit, as opposed to the Index/Vive bc of their external trackers.
I have never had an issue with my Rift S headset with USB / DisplayPort driver issues. Nor any steamvr issues. I would recommend the Rift S as a budget solution to VR, or anyone in Australia (since the Index isnt out yet >:( )
To who ever buys phias old headset,I hope u enjoy it Bc the rift s is very pricey and getting it cheaper and signed is a bargain and is quite the deal in my opinion, so have fun with the headset and enjoy vr to the finest my freind! And to phia, ur starter headset might be a new starter one for one of your many supporters and I would like to say I’m glad your giving new life and purpose to a great headset and user! Keep up the great stuff!
pretty informativ, i might be upgrading to the Index.
Now the question is:
Do I buy the index, or wait for the next gen vr head set...
ClassyKye honestly you’re better off getting the index, (as long as your PC specs are good) and well it’s already an advanced vr headset compared to the previous ones and welll likely be a while until more next gen vr headsets
Wait for next gen and then ask the same question again.. rinse and repeat
"wanna floonarb?" LMFAO
just bought it today.. will arrived next month , and yes i came from Rift S.. and sold it today too.. now im headset less😭.. ur a good influencer indeed,
Is this Disney advertisement for VR? This was fantastic and convinced me to spend $600 more on a headset!
Great information throughout the video!
Real!Phia: Wanna floonarb?
Me (having seen that video): *spittake, coughing*
Lol ikr
"Just get an index" -lives in Australia, welp thanks steam.
Super insightful and very detailed! Thank you so much!
Also I'm sure you've heard this before, but you're just as cute as your second body!
very informative. thank you
7 Minutes ago and already a dislike.
Someone got rejected and has notifications on.
I've had my Rift S for 6 months and haven't been able to use it once because of all the hardware issues Oculus has. Extremely sad customer support too. 😓
It’s not hardware issues. It’s ALL software issues which just shows their laziness to fix the bugs since launch.
Its both, it's got less flexibility too, like IPD which can't be changed.
Oculus has pretty much always treated the Rift S as a stopgap between the Rift and Quest. It's why the Quest gets all their attention while they completely neglect the Rift S.
@@TridentVruinzTheSniper yeah it is all software. my brain just went to hardware because its always the DisplayPort or USB not connected issue lol.
RK Productions Ya thought it was hardware too at first until I realized restarting oculus software always fixed every issue.
I've only ever used my cousins Oculus Quest to play a quick round of Beat Saber for the very first time and I was planning on getting myself a Rift S, but after hanging out with Index users on VRChat for the past few months and watching this and another review, I'm pretty much sold on the Index. I probably won't have the space or money for the Index any time soon, but I'm going to start saving for it right away.
Kinda made me worried about getting the Rift S, not gonna lie. But I think it'll still be nice to have that cheaper first experience on VR, just to get used to it and see if I can handle the experience (Physically and on a hardware level). You give me something to work towards though! So if I do fall in love with it I know exactly what the next best step is!
Thanks Phia! I'm glad you're enjoying the Index so much!
Me who never owned an headset and tried an oculus quest once: Yup, this is relatable, So i should be spending less.
My brain: haha finger tracking go brrr spend cash N O W
no.
I also use the oculus quest with link. But I really want an index but I ain’t waiting 11 weeks lmao
@@420ran69 y e s
@@zestito then should've made your order back then, you would have it by now. The Index is a totally different beast compared to the Quest, plus a cable.
@@zestito Thats flaud logic, if you already have a headset and are able to order the index, I'm sure you wont mind the wait.
I have had a rift s for a while and never had issues with connection or controllers. The mic has also never been an issue.
Great review,
I’m so tired of the Rift S and the drifty joysticks… I’m gonna upgrade ASAP, thanks for the info and inspiration!
tbh cant take focus off them ripped shoulders.
literally.
they're ripping apart.
Well.. the rift s really isn't an acceptable option anymore everyone got Zuckerberged. Gosh darn you Facebook!
wow 11 weeks you got lucky. I ordered it back in may and it did say 8 weeks back then. And finally now its on its way i think its here next week.
I recently upgraded from a Rift S to an Index as well and I am absolutely loving it! Definetly worth the upgrade if you have the money.
@@dddddxddxxx1138:gets a quest
Quest 2:am I a joke to you
this girl's gonna have so many simps
Definitly
@Artistic Catdid you really just say she's asking for it. You are pathetic.
It's female, that's a given.
@Artistic Cat A bubbly personality ain't really a choice you know :
@Artistic Cat bro shut the fuck up lmao
Ordered my Index on July 3rd so I'm probably looking at September. HOPEFULLY!
I just now ordered mine today. I had very similar issues with my old headset being the Odyssey+ from WMR. Going directly to steamVR will be amazing
Good to see I wasn't the only one that spent more time troubleshooting than playing. The very reason it just sits in the box most of the time.
Love your video's
could you make a video about the valve index setup ? Proper Eye distance , proper settings and so on? Thanks. I personaly got the index as my first vr headset almost a month ago, and i love it already :)
What program do you use to record yourself as an anime character? Is it inside VRChat ?
BTW, my index will arrive tomorrow, am so excited.
Keep up the good work
Interested in watching a follow-up to this with the new oculus
@TheVirtuallRealityShow Pro tip for the knuckles controllers, strum your fingers on them over and over any time you're idling. Over time it will train the controllers to know where your fingers are.
Woo, I've been looking for days for a useful comparison between these two! It's all just "index has more pixels" and not "those pixels are worth the price tag difference" like this one.
Still want to know where that vest/croptop is from. Good video!
This video released at a perfect timing, currently I am using the Oculus Rift S but ordered the Index a few weeks ago. But I am still not sure whether I should upgrade or not. I also have the problem with the robot voice, it‘s super annoying. I had to buy a wireless microphone for streaming..
1:41 Oh crap that's what that knob is for!? I never tried that before! LOL
The intro though 🤣 and nooo why u do the floss
I'm so curious if you're a voice actor.
If not, your voice is perfect for it. English dubs on anime, or small but awesome animation projects. Your voice is cute, clear, and it has character! :3
Also, I came from an og vive to the index. The upgrade was amazing! Loving it. My only complaint would be the speakers. They aren't perfect, but they are quite convenient.
Also, with the controllers, I have issues with my pinky a lot of times. I learned I have to move my hand down a little. Just enough to get over the pinky sensor. For a guy, I guess my hands are just smaller then others. Oh well though.