Honestly I think all the reviewers should just be saying "avoid". They are more expensive even before they bend you over for things on the bike already...
The reason why I choose to go with Yamaha is because of KTM's greedy business decision to lock its features behind a paywall. Its reliability is already assumed to be questionable, but now we have to pay even more to use the bike at its fullest. Just shows the company's true intent with their customers.
Not to mention dealing with their dealers or customer service. I was lied to for five months that my display would be replaced under warranty for randomly turning off and moisture accumulation, and on the sixth month they're like "lol JK"
At least you can try them for a trial period and decide if you buy them or not. You think other brands do any different ? The tech is there you just have to pay for them to unlock
Absolute scam. The stuff is on the bike when you buy it. It’s yours, you already paid for it. For them to then disable it is outrageous. What’s more, I can’t see an extra £3k for the KTM over the Yamaha. I’ve owned 4 KTM’s and love them but this is a piss take. I’ll take an MT09 please.
MT09, it won’t break down. Difficult decision as both are my favourite manufacturers but KTM have let themselves down with reliability and now the pricing is well off the mark
@@jls.mp4 Zero knowledge? I have one sat in my garage I purchased as I liked it. Fantastic bike to ride, most unreliable bike I've owned, wish I'd got a Yamaha. The KTM has spent countless months sat in the dealer waiting on parts, multiple warranty claims. Great when it works it just spends more time off the road than on. Used prices have crashed, no one wants to buy them used now with reliability reputation. I can't blame the buyers but it means I'm struggling to get rid of the thing.
how do you know that 990 are always in "shop" ? please stop saying such unconfirmed bullshit :) camshaft issues exists on 890 whcih was very low percentage of total selled bikes worldwide.
I tested the 990 and it was awesome. But the price with the tech pack was just rediculous. So I got a year old 1290 Super Duke Evo for that money in stead.
KTM: “…after (trying the features) the customer can make an informed buying decision…” Me: “I’ve made my buying decision, and it’s to buy a Yamaha or Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Ducati, BMW,…”
@@83joelp they use bottom shelf name brand. At least KTM are made in house. Also throw whatever part you want at it can't fix that broken geometry and those terrible Yamaha brakes.
I find the opposite. A lot of people who talk about KTM own/owned one. Myself included. People aren't prone to just talk crap about a brand for no good reason.
@@brianjackson9801 used to be now not all models are, 790 is not, i think some 890 not either, dont know abt the 990 however if the price is right ktm will send it over to china without missing a heart bit - without caring abt the impact this might have on the quality/reliability and will charge us higher price for it as well
@@avrc9285 yea i should have specified 990 as I was under the impression the 990 was made in Austria... no way I'm buying Chinese made KTM, and the locked tech pack does not sit well with me either... Oh well, looks like it will be an MT-09SP for me.
Drove both back to back and they are completely different characters. 990 was the only that made me smile. Buy the one that does that, what's the point forcing something based on specs or logical reasoning? 4 year warranty too, I'll take a chance on reliability happily.
I love how everyone complain about how KTM make you pay for more stuff , here in Israel ktm sells it with everything for free because everyone was mad about it and actually complained about it to ktm. So instead of being mad just tell it to ktm in your region they will do something about it
KTM - Pre-installing all the tech and then blocking it after 1500km (unless you pay a subscription lol🤣) KTM - Since the end of the year, they started to assemble the bikes in China (not manufactured there, but still) and raise the prices in ridiculous amount (ex: the 790 adventure had a 1000€ raise over the last year lool) Yamaha - Reliability, fun, no bullshit, just pure awesomeness. I choose Yamaha ANY DAY.
@@nevesdanger Why China? Well, they cooperate with CFMoto on the 790 lineup. Probably money involved but mostly, an open door to a hugh market. Alot of motorcycle brands have facilities in China, India and Thailand.
Yes, but as always, it’s all about the money and the bottom line. KTM laid off workers in the home country of KTM, to go to bed with Chinas cheap labor. Wonder when the rest of its lineup will end up being made there too… I know KTM isn’t the only one, but it still pisses me off!!!
As an mt09 owner, I’m fairly convinced Yamaha challenged the engineering department to create a bike so good that it would sell despite the design department trying their best to make it as ugly as possible.
Since the MT09 came on the market, I've tried it, tested every new model, just to find it a bit better than the older version. But never good enough. I haven't tried the latest version. But I doubt I will. The handling is just not good enough. The KTM is so much better when it comes to handling. So my advice is, try them! And when you have, buy the one that puts the biggest smile on your face.
Maybe you should read the 90% of the comments that point out why that's not a great idea. By all means get it if that's what you fancy, just don't use your heartbeat as a decision center.
@CriticalRider so you base your decisions on other comments? Do you have any idea of the nature of the internet, you will read mostly negative stuff because people only complain and troll other people, KTMs are great bikes, of course they have good and bad things as every single bike!!
Having your track pack behind a pay wall is one thing even though it's still dumb.... But locking cruise control is absolute nonsense. They need to fire whoever thought that was a good idea.
I tested both, went for KTM. Much more fun for driving. Both bikes were great though. I think you can’t go wrong but it’s great to test them before you decide.
Im biased because i chose the gen 4 MT09 but out of principle i wouldnt go a brand that forces you to pay to unlock features already on the bike. Thats disgusting honestly.
KTM locking features behind a paywall and not having dealers anywhere nearby makes me have to choose Yamaha. I’m planning on saving for a couple of months then getting a SP.
Keep up the great content. Love these head-to-head videos & also group tests where possible. Most of the conclusions seem to be both great bikes, try both, slight differences in styling/pricing/engine characteristics. I’d go for the Yam only because I’ve had a 790 before (great bike, mental fun), though modern middleweight naked bikes don’t grab me as much as retro bikes such as the R9T Urban GS. Maybe an age thing. We all need 5 bikes. N+1. Cheers Rob.
Ordered the MT-09 SP after riding the standard model MT. Had a '21 Hayabusa before and as a daily / only bike it was way too "much". I will still miss the Suzi, but I bought the MT after 5 miles of riding it. Fun, fun, fun, without being in jail for using 2nd gear through the rev range. The KTM is probaly a great bike, but I can ride for at least 2 years on the MT for free... in comparison. Also, made in China, while being 3k more expensive...
Yamaha all day i had one for passed 3 years sp model and it was amazing bike i am currently selling my MT09Sp 2021 mind and did only compair it to the 890 i test rode
Yamaha all day. Sound Reliability Price Fun Doesn't have a vagina looking headlight. But given the option, I'd go with the XSR900. Which is why I bought one 4 weeks ago other the other two.
Have been riding my XSR900 for 15,000 km now since Sep 2022. You might wanna wait, until the XSR900 gets the new display of the GP version which is way cooler.
Just got back from a trip to Wales on my Tracer 9, and out of all the bikes that went it was the 1000 mile old Super Adventure R that went onto limp mode and had to be rescued. My 790 Adventure that I had for 3 years had various problems even from new……….the most alarming being the constant problems with the brakes 😮
Agreed.....I been jonesing for the MT09 for years, just get stuck in analysis paralysis mode with the 890, now glad I did. I think the 2024 MT09 is clearly a much better MT09. You didn't mention the turning radius changes for the MT09? Which was always a beef with the prior MT09s. Does that compare with the Duke's? Also, the new Duke's exhaust can be replaced with a slip on exhaust can - have to switch out to a complete whole exhaust system on the MT09. Neither one of those issues are deal breakers tho for me and the new MT09. My only problem now is age - my age (in my mid 70's) Do I still want to ride a performance oriented bike (last bike was a ZX10R - 2006, sold in 2014 and yes, took a moto class last year to make sure I still could even ride, lol))or just buy and easy going cruiser....nah....only live once, yeah? Just don't ever have to "get off" the bike, that might be curtains for a guy my age
I agree with your sentiments! I have been riding now for over 50 years I'm now in my early 70s and still love riding performance bikes I love the Yamaha's MT09/ XSR series for their light weight and good power to weight ratio. Ride on !
77 years old with a 2014 FZ-09 for 10 years. The rush of mid-range torque and easy handling keeps me coming back for more. Had the ECU flashed and sorted the suspension.
@@Gmac237 Oh damn guys, you inspire me. After my small crash - the thought has crossed my mind - "maybe I am a bit too old to ride in my early 50s." After your comments - I am sticking to my bike until my early 80s now for sure. Maybe a bit less wheelies though. :D
@@bosk1n Never too old my friend ! You just have to remember that as you age your reaction times get a bit slower and you don't bounce as well compared to when you were younger 😂 As long as you still enjoy the freedom of riding age isn't a barrier😄 Stay safe 👍
Yamaha for me hands down. Biggest issue in town for me though is the turning angle. It was a while since I tried it but it stays very vivid in my memory as it can be downright bike dropper. It locks way too soon when you expect much more wiggle room. Newer ones apparently better but do try before you buy.
The 2024 is still upright but with the additional constraint of that seat restricting movement rearward. The 2021-2023 MT-09 allowed the rider to move further up the seat to elongate and stretch out over the tank to get more horizontal and closer to the bike. Make some slight modification to the seat of the 2021-2023 MT-09 and get a seamless long seat ideal for greater movement on the bike. Not possible with the 2024 bike. For anyone serious about riding position the 2021-2023 bike can be modified with a Woodcraft clip on with shorter risers, and rear sets that raise the pegs up and to the back towards the rear wheel. If you look at a sport bike like the CBR1000RR you can see that the rear sets are only a couple inches in front of the rear wheel and the back of the seat is almost above the rear axle. It is possible to replicate this rider triangle on the 2021-2023 bike and not on the 2024.
I ve got a new MT09 /before I had a Street Triple 2013). LOVE my MT! I didnt try the new KTM my friend did who also has a ( 2022 )MT and he didnt like it. He said the Yamaha has better brakes and engine, cheaper and just a better bike in everything.
For me absolutely the MT09 because of reliability and yes I owned a KTM once , nothing wrong with it but the reliability of Japanese products are legendary
I'm a KTM sucker (owned an EXC300 TPI, Duke 890R and Duke 990), the 890R came with a standard quick shift but I had to pay for downshifts (and pretty much every other tech feature anti-wheelie etc.). I got my Duke 990 a couple of weeks ago and just yesterday the demo mode expired, the damn thing won't even quick shift up! How can they shit on their clients in such a way?!
I refuse to support KTM because if it can be enabled with a keystroke, it can be disabled as well. At least with paying for optionals like a quick shifter outright you can't have it removed later on. I'm not saying that's going to happen now, but this is one slippery step away from a feature leasing program like what BMW tried to do with their heated seats and mood lighting
IMO: MT-09 SP would be my choice between these too. I am a big time Öhlins fan, so SP version of Yamaha basically would result in a top spec component bike at cheaper price.
KTM builds bikes that are exciting and fun to ride, but they struggle with electrical issues, and now with cam failures in the LC8c engine, my confidence in KTM's ability to effectively resolve these problems has diminished. On the other hand, Yamaha, with its CP3 engine, excels in both longevity and quality.
Yamaha because i'm biased towards Japanese bikes, Euro bikes are more or less designed for people who want to boost their ego impo, also hope that speedo angels release a tempered glass 2024 MT09 protector soon, love their products and always put them on my bikes
All in all, it's definitely true. At the same time, there are countries where KTM received all the technology at no extra cost. In addition, in those countries, KTM has a 4-year warranty, which is very significant.
How do you compare a KTM that has WP suspension with a standard MT-09? That's no where near the best MT-09 you can get. You really should have compared the SP version of the MT-09 instead of the budget version -- or waited for its release to do the comparison. I'm sure the KTM would likely still win out on handling but the comparison would have been much more accurate than going with the budget suspension bike. Otherwise, this was a fairly good review.
The MT09 will be far more reliable. 790's and 890's suffered from oil leaks and corrosion issues. The styling thing is subjective and was daft to include it really.
They are not "close" except maybe on paper. Drove both back to back and they are completely different characters. I preferred 990. Buy the one that makes you smile.
I’m a KTM 790 owner so it would have to be the Yamaha for me based on reliability and customer satisfaction alone. KTM are constantly leaking and now with the camshaft failures at the 3rd service and KTM charging you £2.5k to replace it after a 3 month wait I would go near a KTM again.
I’m buying the MT09 SP. it’s still cheaper than the KTM and I’m sure handles better. Plus I disagree that the KTM looks better! Unfortunately there isn’t a category for reliability which Yamaha wins hands down!
Yeah but hang on MotoBob when you open the garage or just generally looking at your own bike you want that feeling of yes she looks good not that is soo ugly but once im sitting on it that doesn't matter it does matter!!! And its the MT for me all the way!!👍🏻 Great comparison video tho MotoBob!!👌🏻👍🏻
I would say no to the ktm for the extra cost to unlock the features that should be included. They are 1 step away from charging you by the KM for the stuff. Could you imagine? you going down the highway and boom, your cruise control expires. On the track in the corner? boom, race mode expired, 20% reduction in HP....
The MT line is just not nice to look at. The frame, the exhaust, even the engine. I want to like them because their motors are so good, but they lack soul compared to the KTMs. Having said that, the Yamaha is no doubt a better value.
Mt09sp ! If you woule have tested the sp version and the ktm with the 1k pack, all the points would have go to the mt. Tec, looks value for money etc...
In my country the yamaha is 2k usd more expansiva then the ktm even woth the tech pack included (I love the strategy btw, since you actually decide what you want instead of a more expensive package in the bmws)
If you buy a new KTM 890, 990 etc, assuming it continues to work and the KTM dealer supports you through all the gremlins… you lose a lot on resale because everyone is suspicious of the thing dying on them and needing an overly expensive repair. After my experience with an 890 duke R, I won’t be putting another pumpkin in my garage. First bike in 40years that I’ve had any significant problems with.
@MOTOBOB In Canada the MT09 SP and 990 Duke with the tech pack is the same price. Only a few hundred difference. What would you recommend if that was the case?
i ve bought a 890 duke r, love it, but the company does not show any respect to their customers with their unethical policies. I suggest before anyone makes a decision ride them both take into account what you need/want, read some info on forums on the previous models, talk to owners etc. on paper however between the 2 and as presented here, Yamaha nailed it - ktm is shooting themselves on the foot, they better wake up fast before they become another case study on how not to manage a company.
KTM have never dealt with their reliability issues plus I've heard from owners struggles of getting their broken KTM fixed so Yamaha for me given the choice
KTM now has a promo till end of AUgust where the tech pack is installed FREE, beyond the first 1500Ks. Does that tip the decision in favour of KTM any better?
Had a look at both bikes recently. The MT is pretty much as as it appears in the pictures/videos, but the KTM in the flesh was quite underwhelming. The all black frame, engine, and underpinnings are not sufficiently offset by the KTM signature orange, and the bike is much less visually exciting/interesting than the 890R. With a price in Aus of just North of A$20K it's just not worth the almost A$3K over the Yamaha IMO..
My vote and money would go to the Yamaha because of the value and reliability.
My-09 boring as fuck! Ok it is reliable and ….. that is it:(
KTM installing the tech on the bike, having a trial mode, and then removing it as an additional cost!? Not a strategy that should be encouraged 👎
Honestly I think all the reviewers should just be saying "avoid". They are more expensive even before they bend you over for things on the bike already...
Honestly, they should refund us if we don't want it.
At least its not a pay per month heated handlebars or seats that BMW tried
Give a year or so and someone will crack the code, making it free for everyone
The reason why I choose to go with Yamaha is because of KTM's greedy business decision to lock its features behind a paywall. Its reliability is already assumed to be questionable, but now we have to pay even more to use the bike at its fullest. Just shows the company's true intent with their customers.
Not to mention dealing with their dealers or customer service. I was lied to for five months that my display would be replaced under warranty for randomly turning off and moisture accumulation, and on the sixth month they're like "lol JK"
@@otlndsh my 2013 1190 Adventure is on it's 3rd (yes 3rd) speedo in 9 years I've owned it.
Wait till you hear about the way they deal with their camshaft issues, there's vids here on TH-cam, terrible practices IMO
Not to mention the starting price...without the extra features of course.
At least you can try them for a trial period and decide if you buy them or not. You think other brands do any different ? The tech is there you just have to pay for them to unlock
Pre-installing all the tech on the KTM only to switch it off after 1500km!? Thats so shameless it's actually amusing 😂
Next thing you know we gotta pay subscription for airbags
Its super wild they did that shit
@@Kenicavusmost bikes don’t have airbags but sure
@@Kenicavusairbags aren’t a comfort feature, it’s a regulated law.
Absolute scam. The stuff is on the bike when you buy it. It’s yours, you already paid for it. For them to then disable it is outrageous. What’s more, I can’t see an extra £3k for the KTM over the Yamaha. I’ve owned 4 KTM’s and love them but this is a piss take. I’ll take an MT09 please.
MT-09 SP every day!
Yep,agree 100%. KTM is a rippoff!
The SP is a no brainer
There will be no „twitchiness“ with the SP😎✌️🔥🏁
MT09, it won’t break down. Difficult decision as both are my favourite manufacturers but KTM have let themselves down with reliability and now the pricing is well off the mark
As an owner of both KTM and Yamaha, I would say the Yammie is way more reliable.
Damn. Thank you for that. Even though I have KTM dealers in my city, I'd rather be riding my bike. MT10 it is.
What you’re saying matches what most online forum members say. Yamaha is just more reliable day-to-day year over year. It’s not even close.
The ktm headlight looks like someone forgot to put a cover on it during assembly
The MT-09 isn’t going to require new cams before it’s second service or lock you out of functionality after 1500km, oh sorry demo mode.
said by someone whos never been bike bigger than a 125cc. keep your fantasies to yourself or just admit you have zero knowledge about ktm's
@@jls.mp4 Zero knowledge? I have one sat in my garage I purchased as I liked it. Fantastic bike to ride, most unreliable bike I've owned, wish I'd got a Yamaha. The KTM has spent countless months sat in the dealer waiting on parts, multiple warranty claims. Great when it works it just spends more time off the road than on. Used prices have crashed, no one wants to buy them used now with reliability reputation. I can't blame the buyers but it means I'm struggling to get rid of the thing.
@@jls.mp4 Look at owner's report's. It is well documented KTM have issues.
@@jls.mp4Writ by someone who has never owned a street bike.
@@jls.mp4 Somebody feeling foolish? 😂
Bought a 24 MT09 and love it. Saved 3k vs the Duke and I can actually ride it rather than jt being in the shop the whole time
how do you know that 990 are always in "shop" ? please stop saying such unconfirmed bullshit :) camshaft issues exists on 890 whcih was very low percentage of total selled bikes worldwide.
The yamaha gets it for me! The KTM will have you time visiting the dealer having it fixed constantly and arguing with KTM UK for warranty repairs.
You've already paid for the 'extras' on the KTM, they're already installed on the bike!
But wait! There's more! Here's another bill after 1500 km! And I won't be surprised when they roll-out subscription-based features.
I tested the 990 and it was awesome. But the price with the tech pack was just rediculous. So I got a year old 1290 Super Duke Evo for that money in stead.
KTM: “…after (trying the features) the customer can make an informed buying decision…”
Me: “I’ve made my buying decision, and it’s to buy a Yamaha or Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Ducati, BMW,…”
KTM pulled off an "Amazon Prime" model of payment where you pay upfront only to be told to pay again to get what you really want to get 🤷
Yamaha all day. Especially the SP model.
😂 don't make me laugh. The SP is still made with cheap ass suspension parts. Bottom self stuff. Your strips are probably 4 inches
@@Filthy_Goblin_44WP better than Ohlins and KYB? Ya ok pal.
@@83joelp they use bottom shelf name brand. At least KTM are made in house. Also throw whatever part you want at it can't fix that broken geometry and those terrible Yamaha brakes.
A lot of people talk about KTM but never owned one . A lot of people dont take care of there bike either… Never had any problem with any of them.
I dont buy KTM because its made in china.
I find the opposite. A lot of people who talk about KTM own/owned one. Myself included. People aren't prone to just talk crap about a brand for no good reason.
@@lelouchabrilvelda1794 the Duke is made in Austria.
@@brianjackson9801 used to be now not all models are, 790 is not, i think some 890 not either, dont know abt the 990 however if the price is right ktm will send it over to china without missing a heart bit - without caring abt the impact this might have on the quality/reliability and will charge us higher price for it as well
@@avrc9285 yea i should have specified 990 as I was under the impression the 990 was made in Austria... no way I'm buying Chinese made KTM, and the locked tech pack does not sit well with me either... Oh well, looks like it will be an MT-09SP for me.
Drove both back to back and they are completely different characters. 990 was the only that made me smile. Buy the one that does that, what's the point forcing something based on specs or logical reasoning? 4 year warranty too, I'll take a chance on reliability happily.
If the CP3 doesn't make you smile, you might need a psych eval. :)
@@otlndshAgree 💯🤣🤣
Dude bumped his head 😂
I love how everyone complain about how KTM make you pay for more stuff , here in Israel ktm sells it with everything for free because everyone was mad about it and actually complained about it to ktm.
So instead of being mad just tell it to ktm in your region they will do something about it
KTM - Pre-installing all the tech and then blocking it after 1500km (unless you pay a subscription lol🤣)
KTM - Since the end of the year, they started to assemble the bikes in China (not manufactured there, but still) and raise the prices in ridiculous amount (ex: the 790 adventure had a 1000€ raise over the last year lool)
Yamaha - Reliability, fun, no bullshit, just pure awesomeness.
I choose Yamaha ANY DAY.
Only the 790 models.
@@johnDukemaster but why is that ?
@@nevesdanger Why China? Well, they cooperate with CFMoto on the 790 lineup. Probably money involved but mostly, an open door to a hugh market. Alot of motorcycle brands have facilities in China, India and Thailand.
Yes, but as always, it’s all about the money and the bottom line.
KTM laid off workers in the home country of KTM, to go to bed with Chinas cheap labor. Wonder when the rest of its lineup will end up being made there too… I know KTM isn’t the only one, but it still pisses me off!!!
Hope manufacturing in China will improve KTM reliabilty. I honestly trust Chinese more than Austrians...
As an mt09 owner, I’m fairly convinced Yamaha challenged the engineering department to create a bike so good that it would sell despite the design department trying their best to make it as ugly as possible.
Lol. I can imagine that conversation in the executive's offices and them laughing as their employees try to outdo the other department.
The engineering on the mt is way sup par compared to the ktm
Since the MT09 came on the market, I've tried it, tested every new model, just to find it a bit better than the older version. But never good enough. I haven't tried the latest version. But I doubt I will. The handling is just not good enough. The KTM is so much better when it comes to handling.
So my advice is, try them! And when you have, buy the one that puts the biggest smile on your face.
Yamaha no question, looks better, better value and more reliable. Dont know what KTM think there doing with the options strategy and price.
Better priced but you get what you pay for. It's not even on the same level. You probably drive a civic if that's your mindset.
I would get the KTM in a heartbeat
Maybe you should read the 90% of the comments that point out why that's not a great idea. By all means get it if that's what you fancy, just don't use your heartbeat as a decision center.
@@MotoRiderTube He's right. 90% of the comments doesn't mean they are right.
It's your money.
@CriticalRider so you base your decisions on other comments? Do you have any idea of the nature of the internet, you will read mostly negative stuff because people only complain and troll other people, KTMs are great bikes, of course they have good and bad things as every single bike!!
@@edgarm2036 he said he likes KTM
As long as the Duke comes with extra cams it might be a close decision.
The gruesome twosome 😂. Joke's aside, I actually quite like the rather odd design of these bikes, and they both look like a lot of fun to ride.
Having your track pack behind a pay wall is one thing even though it's still dumb.... But locking cruise control is absolute nonsense. They need to fire whoever thought that was a good idea.
I tested both, went for KTM. Much more fun for driving.
Both bikes were great though.
I think you can’t go wrong but it’s great to test them before you decide.
Im biased because i chose the gen 4 MT09 but out of principle i wouldnt go a brand that forces you to pay to unlock features already on the bike. Thats disgusting honestly.
KTM locking features behind a paywall and not having dealers anywhere nearby makes me have to choose Yamaha. I’m planning on saving for a couple of months then getting a SP.
Keep up the great content. Love these head-to-head videos & also group tests where possible. Most of the conclusions seem to be both great bikes, try both, slight differences in styling/pricing/engine characteristics. I’d go for the Yam only because I’ve had a 790 before (great bike, mental fun), though modern middleweight naked bikes don’t grab me as much as retro bikes such as the R9T Urban GS. Maybe an age thing. We all need 5 bikes. N+1. Cheers Rob.
KTM doesn’t deserve your money while they put part of the bike they sell you behind a paywall.
Feels like the Ubisoft of the bike world tbh.
If you scratch your display on your new motorcycle no worries. Get some plastic x a drill with buffing pad. It will make like new.
KTM all day (though I really like the MT09 as well). Its an awesome bike to ride! 🏁
1:59 “firing interval”
Thank you! For not saying “firing order”.
that cp3 engine with a descent slip on is the balls 💪😊
I think KTMs approach to the Tech package is rather scummy. It's like dealing with a Shady used car dealership.
👎👎
As an Austrian, I'm buying any Ricer before a KTM 😁
I’m a fan of KTM but you definitely picked up the right one, this price is exotic for the 990 ✌️
My choice would be KTM just the price is a little bit high compared to Yamaha, MotoBOB keep up with great work making us videos like this 😊❤❤❤
Manufacturers treating the bike like a video game with a paywall!? That’s a hard FU!
Ordered the MT-09 SP after riding the standard model MT.
Had a '21 Hayabusa before and as a daily / only bike it was way too "much".
I will still miss the Suzi, but I bought the MT after 5 miles of riding it.
Fun, fun, fun, without being in jail for using 2nd gear through the rev range.
The KTM is probaly a great bike, but I can ride for at least 2 years on the MT for free... in comparison.
Also, made in China, while being 3k more expensive...
Yamaha all day i had one for passed 3 years sp model and it was amazing bike i am currently selling my MT09Sp 2021 mind and did only compair it to the 890 i test rode
Yamaha all day.
Sound
Reliability
Price
Fun
Doesn't have a vagina looking headlight.
But given the option, I'd go with the XSR900. Which is why I bought one 4 weeks ago other the other two.
I'm thinking of getting an XSR900 too....waiting for the update
@abymathew295 I can't see it being updated until 2026, especially with the the GP now released.
Have been riding my XSR900 for 15,000 km now since Sep 2022. You might wanna wait, until the XSR900 gets the new display of the GP version which is way cooler.
@@robertschulz6660 I can't see it being till 2026.
Lol you have terrible taste.
Just got back from a trip to Wales on my Tracer 9, and out of all the bikes that went it was the 1000 mile old Super Adventure R that went onto limp mode and had to be rescued. My 790 Adventure that I had for 3 years had various problems even from new……….the most alarming being the constant problems with the brakes 😮
Agreed.....I been jonesing for the MT09 for years, just get stuck in analysis paralysis mode with the 890, now glad I did. I think the 2024 MT09 is clearly a much better MT09. You didn't mention the turning radius changes for the MT09? Which was always a beef with the prior MT09s. Does that compare with the Duke's? Also, the new Duke's exhaust can be replaced with a slip on exhaust can - have to switch out to a complete whole exhaust system on the MT09. Neither one of those issues are deal breakers tho for me and the new MT09. My only problem now is age - my age (in my mid 70's) Do I still want to ride a performance oriented bike (last bike was a ZX10R - 2006, sold in 2014 and yes, took a moto class last year to make sure I still could even ride, lol))or just buy and easy going cruiser....nah....only live once, yeah? Just don't ever have to "get off" the bike, that might be curtains for a guy my age
I agree with your sentiments! I have been riding now for over 50 years I'm now in my early 70s and still love riding performance bikes I love the Yamaha's MT09/ XSR series for their light weight and good power to weight ratio. Ride on !
77 years old with a 2014 FZ-09 for 10 years. The rush of mid-range torque and easy handling keeps me coming back for more. Had the ECU flashed and sorted the suspension.
@@Gmac237 Oh damn guys, you inspire me. After my small crash - the thought has crossed my mind - "maybe I am a bit too old to ride in my early 50s." After your comments - I am sticking to my bike until my early 80s now for sure.
Maybe a bit less wheelies though. :D
@@bosk1n Never too old my friend ! You just have to remember that as you age your reaction times get a bit slower and you don't bounce as well compared to when you were younger 😂 As long as you still enjoy the freedom of riding age isn't a barrier😄 Stay safe 👍
No mention of quality and reliability
That's obvious, no need of extra mention .
@@nikos-giorgos Seriously, is Yamaha that unreliable?
@@MarkAldridge-cs9rt
Never said that.
They just no need to mention any of that.
One is reliable and one not so much, we all know which is which.
Yamaha for me hands down. Biggest issue in town for me though is the turning angle. It was a while since I tried it but it stays very vivid in my memory as it can be downright bike dropper. It locks way too soon when you expect much more wiggle room. Newer ones apparently better but do try before you buy.
The 2024 is still upright but with the additional constraint of that seat restricting movement rearward. The 2021-2023 MT-09 allowed the rider to move further up the seat to elongate and stretch out over the tank to get more horizontal and closer to the bike. Make some slight modification to the seat of the 2021-2023 MT-09 and get a seamless long seat ideal for greater movement on the bike. Not possible with the 2024 bike.
For anyone serious about riding position the 2021-2023 bike can be modified with a Woodcraft clip on with shorter risers, and rear sets that raise the pegs up and to the back towards the rear wheel. If you look at a sport bike like the CBR1000RR you can see that the rear sets are only a couple inches in front of the rear wheel and the back of the seat is almost above the rear axle. It is possible to replicate this rider triangle on the 2021-2023 bike and not on the 2024.
I choose the Z900RS but it doesn’t have cruise control.
Should have gone for the XSR900
The Z900RS looks good but is very heavy compared to MT09 and the KTM !
I ve got a new MT09 /before I had a Street Triple 2013). LOVE my MT! I didnt try the new KTM my friend did who also has a ( 2022 )MT and he didnt like it. He said the Yamaha has better brakes and engine, cheaper and just a better bike in everything.
I went with the MT09. Just seemed like better value, all the features I want and more, and the hooligan factor can't be beat.
For me absolutely the MT09 because of reliability and yes I owned a KTM once , nothing wrong with it but the reliability of Japanese products are legendary
great review and by the way, i have ordered my Speedo angels protector for my XSR900!
I'm a KTM sucker (owned an EXC300 TPI, Duke 890R and Duke 990), the 890R came with a standard quick shift but I had to pay for downshifts (and pretty much every other tech feature anti-wheelie etc.). I got my Duke 990 a couple of weeks ago and just yesterday the demo mode expired, the damn thing won't even quick shift up! How can they shit on their clients in such a way?!
I refuse to support KTM because if it can be enabled with a keystroke, it can be disabled as well. At least with paying for optionals like a quick shifter outright you can't have it removed later on. I'm not saying that's going to happen now, but this is one slippery step away from a feature leasing program like what BMW tried to do with their heated seats and mood lighting
IMO: MT-09 SP would be my choice between these too.
I am a big time Öhlins fan, so SP version of Yamaha basically would result in a top spec component bike at cheaper price.
KTM builds bikes that are exciting and fun to ride, but they struggle with electrical issues, and now with cam failures in the LC8c engine, my confidence in KTM's ability to effectively resolve these problems has diminished. On the other hand, Yamaha, with its CP3 engine, excels in both longevity and quality.
Where I live, for the price of a 990 with a tech pack, you can get a brand new MT10. And the MT09 is 4k cheaper lol
definitely the Mt with the cp3 engine over the ktm ...just can't beat that sound 😮& power delivery
Yamaha because i'm biased towards Japanese bikes, Euro bikes are more or less designed for people who want to boost their ego impo, also hope that speedo angels release a tempered glass 2024 MT09 protector soon, love their products and always put them on my bikes
Exactly, I haven't been able to find a screen protector for the new 09, even from Yamaha.
@@otlndsh none are out yet that I'm aware of, but I'd rather wait because I trust Speedo Angels over any other brand
All in all, it's definitely true. At the same time, there are countries where KTM received all the technology at no extra cost. In addition, in those countries, KTM has a 4-year warranty, which is very significant.
Which countries?
KTM needs a 4-year warranty for sales. If a Yamaha doesn't break the first year, it's not going to.
Great video mate! But also include cost of maintenance etc. Also is it reliable & dependable??
Thanks
How do you compare a KTM that has WP suspension with a standard MT-09? That's no where near the best MT-09 you can get. You really should have compared the SP version of the MT-09 instead of the budget version -- or waited for its release to do the comparison. I'm sure the KTM would likely still win out on handling but the comparison would have been much more accurate than going with the budget suspension bike. Otherwise, this was a fairly good review.
Both Naked Machine are good I simply loved both the naked bikes
have you heard about engine failure ,rocker shaft failure and so on in Yamaha ?
Nope, have mine since 2021 and absolutely no problem in sight
@@filoudadidou Holly... It was a sarcastic comment to point out the KTM...
The MT09 will be far more reliable. 790's and 890's suffered from oil leaks and corrosion issues. The styling thing is subjective and was daft to include it really.
This comparison makes them seem awfully close. Maybe the best bike is simply the one you prefer?
They are not "close" except maybe on paper. Drove both back to back and they are completely different characters. I preferred 990. Buy the one that makes you smile.
I’m a KTM 790 owner so it would have to be the Yamaha for me based on reliability and customer satisfaction alone. KTM are constantly leaking and now with the camshaft failures at the 3rd service and KTM charging you £2.5k to replace it after a 3 month wait I would go near a KTM again.
I’m buying the MT09 SP. it’s still cheaper than the KTM and I’m sure handles better. Plus I disagree that the KTM looks better! Unfortunately there isn’t a category for reliability which Yamaha wins hands down!
I have heard many people praise the Triumph Street Triple RS.
MT09-SP deposit paid and awaiting delivery
Congrats!! same. Super excited.
I got a 23 mt-10 instead. It rocks
Ktm all day orange day!
Yeah but hang on MotoBob when you open the garage or just generally looking at your own bike you want that feeling of yes she looks good not that is soo ugly but once im sitting on it that doesn't matter it does matter!!! And its the MT for me all the way!!👍🏻 Great comparison video tho MotoBob!!👌🏻👍🏻
I would say no to the ktm for the extra cost to unlock the features that should be included. They are 1 step away from charging you by the KM for the stuff. Could you imagine? you going down the highway and boom, your cruise control expires. On the track in the corner? boom, race mode expired, 20% reduction in HP....
Street Triple 765 RS FTW.
KTM becoming more and more big headed
I thought the MT-09 was ugly. Then I saw the Duke...
The MT line is just not nice to look at. The frame, the exhaust, even the engine. I want to like them because their motors are so good, but they lack soul compared to the KTMs. Having said that, the Yamaha is no doubt a better value.
Mt09sp ! If you woule have tested the sp version and the ktm with the 1k pack, all the points would have go to the mt. Tec, looks value for money etc...
KTM with probable issues with cams would not be my choice.
In my country the yamaha is 2k usd more expansiva then the ktm even woth the tech pack included (I love the strategy btw, since you actually decide what you want instead of a more expensive package in the bmws)
If you buy a new KTM 890, 990 etc, assuming it continues to work and the KTM dealer supports you through all the gremlins… you lose a lot on resale because everyone is suspicious of the thing dying on them and needing an overly expensive repair. After my experience with an 890 duke R, I won’t be putting another pumpkin in my garage. First bike in 40years that I’ve had any significant problems with.
I just need both of those compared to StreetTripleRS! xD
The 990 and the 1390 are really tempting me away from my Street Triple RS, although there's always that worry about reliability with KTMs.
Keep your RS 💯💪🔥
Bob bumped his head.!
Yamaha 💯💪🔥😎
Reliability - you forgot this criteria !
@MOTOBOB In Canada the MT09 SP and 990 Duke with the tech pack is the same price. Only a few hundred difference. What would you recommend if that was the case?
Will the US get the half fairing for the XSR 900?
Pick duke for it rheadlight. Or pick Mt then convert with duke headlight
MT-09 all day every day. Also the syling is much much better than the predator.
i ve bought a 890 duke r, love it, but the company does not show any respect to their customers with their unethical policies.
I suggest before anyone makes a decision ride them both take into account what you need/want, read some info on forums on the previous models, talk to owners etc.
on paper however between the 2 and as presented here, Yamaha nailed it - ktm is shooting themselves on the foot, they better wake up fast before they become another case study on how not to manage a company.
Yamaha MT-09, No doubt
Paywall and reliability puts anyone off the KTM..
KTM have never dealt with their reliability issues plus I've heard from owners struggles of getting their broken KTM fixed so Yamaha for me given the choice
Could make a video about the Aprilia Rs457 video please
I wanna hear your thoughts on the bike
I just can’t believe that anyone is dumb enough to buy a KTM
This.
Or can simply afford to spend extra money for something that he likes more. Regards from that "someone" ❤
Can’t believe how people talk about things they don’t know or never tried… that is so easy and dumb
KTM now has a promo till end of AUgust where the tech pack is installed FREE, beyond the first 1500Ks. Does that tip the decision in favour of KTM any better?
MT09 wins for me. The front of the Duke is just HORRENDOUS, don't know how anyone could vote for that nightmare.
Had a look at both bikes recently. The MT is pretty much as as it appears in the pictures/videos, but the KTM in the flesh was quite underwhelming. The all black frame, engine, and underpinnings are not sufficiently offset by the KTM signature orange, and the bike is much less visually exciting/interesting than the 890R. With a price in Aus of just North of A$20K it's just not worth the almost A$3K over the Yamaha IMO..