Which is the best middleweight sportsbike of 2024?
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Honda CBR 650R vs Triumph Daytona 660 vs Yamaha R7 vs Suzuki GSX-8R - but which one comes out on top in our group test of 2024's best middleweight sportsbikes?
Enormously experienced road testers, Simon Hargreaves and Martin Fitz-Gibbons, join BikeSocial's John Milbank and Michael Mann as we run through the elements of each bike and present our findings which Simon beautifully analyses by selecting hich bike is right for riders in their 20s, 30s, 40s, or 50s!
CHAPTERS:
00:00 - video intro and riding montage
00:56 - What is this class about?
02:40 - Engine & Performance
14:55 - Chassis & Handling
21:50 - Ergonomics / Riding Positions
26:15 - Gadgets & Features
30:49 - Value & Economy
35:00 - Which would we choose?
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The whole "bunch of friends chatting about their bikes" vibe is honestly the best way to review bikes. The conversation format instead of presentation really made this an excellent video. Crossing fingers for the 2024 CBR650R to come to the States soon!
As one of the creators of this video (I'm Simon H, hello) I'd like to comment on the thing a few people have commented on: how we came to a different conclusion to MCN and their test of the same bikes.
We know the MCN guys very well, and they're absolutely top, top riders with a lot of road testing experience. They're also our friends and colleagues, so there's no rivalry or any of that old nonsense (but don't tell Carl I said he's a good rider or I'll never hear the end of it 😆).
So here's the thing: facts are facts - that's objective stuff like power, weight, handlebar, seat and footpeg positions, spec levels. All good.
Then you get the subjective stuff, and that's about opinion. And, as we know very well, everyone has their own. The whole point of the four of us sitting around talking about it for 40 mins is to showcase our different opinions - all these bikes are great for different riders and different reasons. We just try to show that. If I prefer the Honda, it's just my opinion, not a fact. If MCN prefer another bike, that just their opinion, not a fact. Both are valid. We give our reasoning in the video, I hope, for forming our opinions. MCN, in their video, give theirs. Just because they're different doesn't make either wrong!
Specifically, when we talk about suspension, there's something to bear in mind. MCN's testers are, mostly, pretty slim, petite, sexy fellas. We, on the other hand, are a bunch o' big ole fatties. Also, some of the roads we rode on are substantially bumpier than the roads MCN used - that's not a criticism of either of our test routes, just the geography of where we did our testing.
So I reckon when it comes to suspension what happened was we put a more extreme load through all the bikes, from both ends. And we felt the Suzuki's set-up - whether the internals are different or it's sprung at a different rate to the other bikes - was less controlled with our size, roads, and riding than the other bikes. I would suggest that if you ride hard on bumpy roads and you weigh 14 stone, you'll find different things about all the bikes' suspension than if you ride hard on smoother roads and weigh 11 stone.
When it comes to the Daytona 660 and whether it rides tail-heavy or not - again, that's a subjective comment. I'm fairly sensitive to bikes that have a rearward weight balance - I'll be the first to be jacking preload up at the back to try and get more weight on the front. As well as this test, I've ridden the 660 all over Wales and I'm perfectly happy with the way it steers. But again, that's just an opinion. If MCN have a different opinion, it's not because one of us is wrong - again, it's because we're different human beings.
I hope that explains how we came to have a different order of preference for the bikes in the test to MCN. Right, I'm off to eat another doughnut. Aye.
@@writestuffmedia very well said. The only problem is that the logical conclusion of this is that you and your colleagues’ views are not reliable predictors of what punters will prefer because we’re all different human beings. If the bikes being tested are all essentially equal it then just becomes random as to which prevails. What matters is the consensus. For example it’s hard to find a comparison involving the tracer 9 against its rivals where it doesn’t come out on top. In fact it’s hard to find someone to say a bad word about it other than looks and maybe wind buffeting for taller riders. It begs the question what is the point of reviewers if their conclusions don’t reliably point to the way a purchaser will also feel?
@@morri03 it's as it's always been - you find a reviewer with whom you have an alignment of opinion; whose judgement and preferences you feel you share. That's how I think when I'm watching TH-cam reviews of other things.
Thanks for taking the time to write this message, Simon. I enjoy watching your videos and hearing your opinions, especially these comparisons and "what bike next." These are fun because it's like living vicariously and imagining buying a new bike.
I think when it comes to choosing a new bike, you just have to go with the one that "speaks" to you, that you enjoy looking at and sitting on, even if it didn't win a comparison test.
If a bike isn't quite perfectly set up for your weight or height, you can always set up the suspension, handlebars/rear sets, and seat. I think that is part of the fun--taking something that is mass produced and making it your own (with mass produced aftermarket parts, but you get the idea 😂).
Yes you are right preference is personal. My criticism of your review is that is too focused on your memory of supersports and not what these bikes really are, sporty looking every day bikes. It is fine to ride these bikes on A and B roads, revving them out to get the toppy horse power, but what are they like to actually own and ride every day. To commute for 45 minutes at varying speeds, none of them the national limit. To cut through traffic, lane split, do a quick pass at moderate speed. Torque is more useful than HP.
The Honda is flat in the low and midrange. Being a four it is sluggish for every day riding compared to the others. Roll on at any speed and gear and it will lag, you need to drop a gear or wait. The Suzuki needs to be ridden differently. At low and medium revs it pulls away at like it is a bigger bike. If you pin the throttle and hit the quick shifter every time it gets to 7,000 rpm it actually accelerates very quickly, 0-100kph in 3.5 seconds, 1/10th of second faster than the Honda and Daytona respectively. Being practical and doing the maths how often could extract he maximum HP out of the Triumph and the Honda. After first gear you are over the speed limit and up a cog or two your licence is up for instant removal. You literally can not extract that 90+ bhp without travelling very quickly. You probably can not even get the reduced maximum torque in many gears. The Suzuki's 78Nm at 6800 rpm, with 80% at 4,000 rpm is available and usable.
You just have lose your habit of riding a screamer and ride the torque curve instead. And the upright Suzuki is more comfortable than the Honda for riding to work every day or on a trip.
Remember the suspersport is dead because not enough folk want to buy one. They have been killed by comfortable nakeds with better usable torque. Twins and Triples.
Interestingly many first ride reviewer were disappointed with the handling of the Daytona, vague front end and soft rear. These include at least one quick English reviewer who calls himself a fatty. They cranked up the preload to try and get some feel.
I have not ridden the Daytona but Triumph triples are legendary for a flat torque curve. Part of the demise of the smaller four is the triples with better torque and similar top end.
John was clearly biased from the start, but overall I think first, you did not do a a review of these as every day ridable bikes and secondly you are showing your age. The small screaming four is dead. A bike with torque you can access at legal speeds in more than one gear are actually better to ride every day.
For me the Suzuki has the best dash and controls, you are right the Triumph dash is a joke and controls average. You are also right, the Honda looks really great. The Suzuki is the most practical bike in a city by far with a comfortable position and grunt without revving like a boy racer. The Suzuki is on par with a Street Triple up to the speed limit (I have owned a 2020 Street Triple R and GSX 8S) , both quicker than a GSX S750 four at legal speeds unless you rev the GSXS like a motogp rider and the Street Triple and GSX 8R are more punchy than the Honda by far. Remember the GSX S750 and the Street Triple make 114 peak bhp. Only accessible within the law in first. The GSX 8R has the same torque but at 6,800 rpm vs 8,500.
Finally, if that 90+ bhp is not accessible at legal and arguably safe speeds in any gear other than first, what message are you sending your audience?
@@paulconnell1309 It's good to know that everything you said is your opinion and not fact.
Im a young 57 !! and own 2023 honda cbr650r , it makes me smile and when i look back its a wow. Well made and reliable and the cherry on the cake is the main dealer is a family run business and give me a first class service and they are literally around the corner from where i live.
Sounds ideal, well played!
This video very much has the feel of a bunch of mates chatting about bikes and i enjoyed that lots.
Thanks very much, that’s the vibe we were going for: a balanced, detailed view while educating and entertaining.
Cheers, Michael
Yet detailed ... great comparison
Im 51 and just sold my street triple 765 rs, which was a cracking bike but now jumped on a gsxr 1000, as i LOVE sportsbikes, gixxer is fantastic and im comfortable on the rocketship at 6'3" tall im over the moon with it, i just realised the gsxr is not similar to these bikes but thought youd like my input. Sports bikes still rule!!
49 and took delivery of a Daytona, love it and that engine is a gem, all day comfortable and fun when you want to ride like a 20yr old. Fueling is spot on, dash is actually ok in the real world. Good do everything bike
56, and just rode one a few hundred miles on motorway to Wales, round it round Wales on B-roads, and rode it home again on A-roads. Loved it. Comfy, cool, fast, fun, feisty.
62 and loving my Daytona 660! A bit wristy but I’ll live😅.
The Honda is a typical Honda solution, pretty much perfect for most things without excelling in any one thing. And it will carry on doing it forever . I agree with you folks.
Also Hondas often have a peaky inline 4 in many of their bikes. 2 personalities..
Honda for me.
Its so interesting to see different journalists rate the bikes. MSN the Honda was last and the Suzuki won.
I personally brought a 24 CBR650R and love it. TBH mainly on looks alone! But the inline 4 is lovely. I get 150+ miles on a. tank with fun riding too. Totally agree about cockpit look and feel.
I have the normal quickshifter as for me the bulge on the side upset the symmetry.
You never mentioned that the Triumph is great looking at the front only, back is forgotten. They dont even paint it.
Great review! Nice job.
50 years old and use it for fun dry riding :)
Im 40 and only just going for my bike licence. I've been interested in the CBR 650R the whole time I've wanted a bike.
That's what i bought myself after passing my test, it's a fantastic bike and really enjoy riding it.
I own the 21 model year.
It’s an excellent bike.
Who’s here after seeing Simon play bass at Suzuki Live in LCR’s video?
Not me! I haven't seen that!
No I saw him play bass on neevseys suzuki live video
He looked a superstar!
I'm liking this series and could listen to you guys talk about and compare bikes all day. Perfect length video for great discussion(s), keep them coming.
Honda every chance I get.
Thanks very much. The detail, bike selection and format is all carefully considered with the aim of the game being to make the viewer aware of all the details - especially back-to-back. We really appreciate comments like this and will continue to use this format as a result!
Cheers, Michael
I’m 65 and ride a 2023 Ninja 400. Looking for a middle weight 600 class and have decided on the Honda CBR650r with e-clutch, unfortunately I live in the United States and it’s not available here. Hopefully next year Honda will make it available here.
Sounds like Honda will, they often release bikes in North America last. They'd be fools not to have competitors in this class and the middleweight naked just as the class is exploding in popularity.
Buy the Suzuki and ride it like a twin. Early upshifts. It has more torque down low and is quicker at normal revs.
I'm 49 and own a 2024 cbr650r, love it, I took a 600rr out at the weekend which was fun , sounded great, handling awesome etc but!! Was so glad to get back on my 650 after its first service and ride home in comfort
I love this format, it really gets into nitty gritty and is very enjoyable and informative, thanks again chaps 👍
I'm 60.
Sports bikes aren't my thing, but if they were I'd buy the Suzuki.
I can't do the gerbil coil body position required for the others, and the engine is as lazy as i am.
If the biking demographic is 40 odd and older now, are there enough people to buy these?
I haven't seen many on the road.
Interesting watch.
Ride safe 👍
Fair point - but these will bring youngsters along. They’re great for the road.
Very good format of video
Great review 👏
I have a Suzuki 8S, and just test rode the 8R today, (back to back with my bike). I have to say - the 8R felt fantastic and I wish it had been released alongside the 8S as I would have gone for the R model. It had nice firm, plush suspension helping me get much more feedback from the tyres/ road; a more engaged, but not to wristy seating position, and was very, very confidence inspiring. Just as responsive and torquey an engine as the S and just as slick a quick-shifter. Negatives were, the steering is a tiny bit slower on these Suzukis owing to their long wheel base, but what you lose in lightness of steering, you make up on in the stability department. And it could do with a little bit more bark from the exhaust. But other than that - I would highly recommend test riding the 8R to anyone in the market for one of these bikes.
(Edit) - age 42 and use my bike for commuting and the odd blast, adventure/ tour.
They do hold the corners well though. I ahve an 8S and share your views.
I have the 2022 CB650R. I thought about getting the CBR because it looks so good but I have lower back and neck problems so it made sense to get the CB and be more comfortable. Still love both of them though.
I love your comments on the e-clutch as I also had doubts about it. I love manual shifting but I currently have a quick shifter (got it in the hope that it would help smooth out the ride for my pillion, but that backfired on me). But as I get older, I do get sore hands and wrists occasionally, so this would be ideal for start stop riding on those days, leaving me with a manual for the day , times and rides that I want a manual… best of all worlds really…
The clip at 20:23 was just a beautiful sight. The twisty road ahead along with the synchronised riding of 4 bikes
Totally agree, lovely sight
It's the B660 between Great Gidding and Winwick - and I agree, it looks great from the drone shot!
Cheers, Michael
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks Michael I'm going to now Google search and see how far it is from me
Great video and thanks for your fantastic in depth thoughts Simon, John, Martin & Michael. I’ve got a CBR650R 2023 model and love it. Much love from New Zealand 🇳🇿👍🏻
I have the CBR, while it's nice, screaming I4, and definitely quite comfortable, if I had to go back in time I'd get a used CBR600RR and adjust the grips to be more relaxed etc
I'm glad Honda is keeping the CBR650R around as a middleweight screamer, but the newer version doesn't look as pretty and has less bronze than the 19' which I very much like
That's what I did..I have a 2012 CBR 600rr...really enjoy the inline four...just need to adjust clip-ons for more comfort...any suggestions? Thx
@@Frank-xo7zj I haven't dug into the aftermarket in years but some folks fabricate stuff on the rider forums
I went for the alternative, Aprilia 660. Can’t say if it’s better or best, but I like it.
Yeah, would have liked to see the 660 in the mix
@ozzyg82 on price it's almost not part of the competition.
“Can’t say if it’s better or best” - actually I think you can (dynamically at least) 😂
@@chrishart8548 on rrp ? I paid 9200 for a Tuono factory, it was 8300 for the standard version.
I know the Aprilia Tuono 660 only has half a fairing, but in my neck of the woods it's in the same price ballpark as these 4 with good power and very nice suspension and brakes.
The almost podcast-like format here is brilliant. The discussion much more interesting and important than the eventual conclusion. I'd consume hours and hours of this stuff.
I believe the populace is now tipping back to inline 4s and triples, as we've recently seen parallel twins for years on end.
I just got an inline 4 again after a 90 degree V-Twin bike and while V-Twins are still my favourite layout, I can't hide the fact that inline 4s are a peach to ride no matter the speed or environment.
Riding comparison triangle graphics are genius / so useful
It's a really interesting graphic, isn't it?
Just love these chat around the table videos. Simon’s categorising the bikes by rider age was interesting. You’re all experienced riders whose opinions matter in my estimation. More of the same please. 👍😉
Just picked up my 2023 CBR650R on Tuesday. That inline 4 just puts a smile on my face every time.
Great video. Even though I have no plans to buy one of these, you guys did a good job of making this a fun review. Would be interesting to see a younger group of riders review this bunch of middleweight sports bikes given the market they are aimed at…
Gsx 8r im 56 yrs old. I’ve had my 2024 GSX 8R since March 2024. It suits me fine. But,I truly enjoy the Honda. Good job gentlemen.
Super interesting discussion. As a late 40s owner of a cbr650r, I'm delighted to see it getting the love it deserves. It has the screaming 4 (add an Akra pipe!), is easy at low revs but shows its animal side when you put the hammer down, not uncomfortable. Bloody love it 😊 Thanks guys
I enjoy this video a lot, a bunch of mates discuss bikes, very good.
@@rsvtuono998 thank you. We try to stick to a similar format over the last few group tests and have some kind of structure with what we’re discussing but I’m pleased there’s been so many positive comments about this style. Which bikes would you like to see tested next in this style?
Cheers, Michael
40 Years old and currently riding around on a 23 plate R7. Absolutely love it. With a full system and no baffle the noise is diabolical. MY only grips is the fuel tank really is too small. Every other short ride it needs filling up.
52 got the Daytona 😀 I already have a standard, CB1100 (4 cylinder) and a tourer Multistrada 950 (two cylinder). I wanted something fun and different, the Daytona 660 fit that perfectly. Not too aggressive a seating position, 3 cylinders. My son that is just 16 can ride it without a problem. Just fit my needs to a tee.
You know… The verdict here is left wanting without the inclusion of the Aprilia to consider. Especially when it would have been the only one with an aluminium frame. Ok, a bit more money but probably more deserving of the label mid engine sports bike than most.
Different class based on price. The RS 660 has to compete with the Street Triple R which is way better than all these bikes. Even the R.
I’m 21 and have just brought the new cbr650r with the e clutch for my first yr in full a license. I’ve had it for 2 months and done just over 2.5k miles on it and I love it. Easy to ride slow and when you want to have a bit of fun you can with easy im getting over 200 miles out of a tank My main problem is the mirrors like to move if you go over 100 But I think its an amazing bike to ride and the eclutch is amazing
Nice video, guys. I’m old (57), so I’m not into any of these bikes. But I’m a fan of watching you dissecting them with so much knowledge and sharp observations.
Funnily enough I’m a fan of Michael Hargreaves since his funny front Ender times when he, replying to a question I put, boosted my confidence when I decided to buy a K1300R. I’ve been with that bike for 10 years. Had lots of fun on it. Just recently sold it, to buy a more modern one… maybe you can guess what it will be 😜
Middle Aged Rant Incoming:
I'm 45 with over 20 years' riding experience. I just bought a Street Triple R a few months ago as I got tired of riding real sports bikes on the road. I still have my 06 GSX-R750 track bike because there's simply no replacement for sports bikes on the track.
I chose the STripR because my local dealer couldn't get the Trident in the color I really wanted and because parallel twins make me sad because they suck the joy out of riding. I chose the R over the RS primarily because _I don't want a stupid multi-color TFT screen to watch movies on while I'm riding a motorcycle_ and the screen layouts on the RS are particularly bad.
As for quick shifters, why do street bikes need them other than to boost their prices even more? I don't even have one on my track bike. I don't use the OEM one on the STripR because I'm not worried about shaving tenths off while riding down to the shops...
Anyway, rant over. I enjoyed the video even though you guys are completely wrong on everything I disagree with. Obviously.
I had a 2020 R great bikes. The GSX 8 series bikes have a smoother quick shifter a lower revs and it is nice be lazy and click through the gears. Also one less thing to do going up to the lights a with a lot going on. To me it is not about speed at all but convenience.
So pleased to see this review and happy that these bike are different in a good way, when cars are now so vanilla.
42 and got the 2024 CBR650R as my first bike after passing my test on April. I did consider the 8R (and the 8S actually) and the 660, but the inline 4 won it for me. E-clutch a great addition, easy to ride all day, just a few vibes through the right hand.
@@kickboxuk7284 good to hear from you, and thanks for letting us know. Safe riding!
Honda all day every day for me..I’m the wrong end of 40 and still love riding my old Honda cbr f6 it’s fantastic to ride..
Honda CBR650R ❤️💙🤍
As someone who owed a previous cbr650r I agree with the riding position, and the fact that in isolation the engine is beautiful. I do miss it, I used to tour on it too
The answer is still GSX-R 750, truly sorry y'all can't get them anymore.
Absolutely agree
I'd buy one tomorrow
I’d Agree with that.
But 8R is not a bad bike. Ofc it can't be compared to the mighty 750 but man it's so much fun to ride.
@@LowQualityPigeon The 8r needs some updates on the looks and chassis side imo but yes I love the idea of a sporty twin from Suzuki to take over where the SV650 left off.
Hopefully with the 750 being homologated for Supersport now Suzuki will make it available everywhere again. At least one BSB team is running it and there are several in MotoAmerica Supersport and kicking butt!
@@LowQualityPigeon the 8R might not be a bad bike but it isn’t a good bike either
Very good review guys. Spot on with all the info and comments.
I bought a 21 plate R7 at the age of 50. Love the fact it makes me feel 20 years younger with an engine that doesn't scare me too much at my age. Got a deal on the pre registered bike at a price of £7,500.
If I was sensible,and acting my age, it would be the Honda.
Sounds like you got a good deal. Thanks for the comment, and happy riding on the R7 - great to hear that it has that affect on you!
Cheers, Michael
On the eclutch tempting new riders.
I have never used one personally, but my Mrs is going for her full motorbike licence and REALLY wants an automatic motorcycle.
Something like the Rebel 500, a simple to ride, beginner focused automatic motorcycle (dct maybe) will tempt people.
The Honda does have the benefit of having a real throttle cable. I know that everyone is getting hot and heavy for ride by wire and riding modes but electronic throttles on these cheaper bikes all have a latency to them, especially the Suzuki which is very weird doing the slow maneuvers. The R7 is too radical and underpowered for me, mostly the comfort thing since I can't handle the position doing everyday riding. The Daytona's engine is amazing, but still has that response lag and where I'm from the Honda has 5 years warranty vs 2 of the Daytona. I chose the Honda all things considered. But buying on a whim it's the Daytona for sure.
You have to pay the Triumph dealer for the fitting of the quick-shifter too which is an added cost. The Suzuki has quite a short oil service interval compared to the others.
Lool John was really hooked on the Honda if he wasn't defending it he was just staring at it.
Yep, I noticed that as well! Ovbiously smitten with it.
57, own a 2023 Ninja 650 KRT edition and a 2018 Vstrom 650, and you've peaked my interest in the Honda. Any reason you didn't include a Kawi in your comparison? I have been on a couple demo/test rides with the GSX 8R; was impressed with the ergos, torque and handling...but some of the plastics (signal/brake lights) and the muffler look was a bit of a surprise. Enjoyed the perspectives!
I had the 2015 CBR650F when it still had 86bhp. I never thought I needed more power, but it did come more alive over 7000 revs. It just wasn't very comfortable two up so I changed bikes. If I'd had the funds and space at the time, I would've kept it
Nice video, very easy to watch. Honda CBR65R probably the best choice for a mid-aged biker looking for an all rounder bike, also looks the best dressed. I have the older variant 650F which I really love, my next bike will the CBR650R if my 650F ever needs replacing. This version only differs with some tech upgrades, engine compression (11.4 to 11.6) and higher rev limit (11.5k to 12.5k) to get the 94hp for those who buy based on spec sheets.
Regarding the Honda e clutch, something I feel you missed is the positive benefits for the older riders that have wrist problems. I do suffer slightly but my wife had a scaphoid injury that always gave her grief. The e clutch would have been welcomed.
Great review, more of these comparisons tests please
I'm 60, and for my riding, it would be the Suzuki, I have been riding for 16, so riden through the 90 on sports bike and even a 15 wing
I own a Hornet 750, but after test ride on the 8R, I feel for my riding style, its by far a better bike
The Honda scores better with clocks though,,I would miss those
Nice comment, thanks! Best wishes with the Suzuki.
Cheers, Michael
Suzuki for me(yes, I'm in my 50's),as Chris Moore showed, it's only 1bhp short of a Yamaha CP3 when uncorked, but has 8ft/lbs more torque than a Tracer 900(US version)...sleeper of the group, unless you fit a turbo to the R7,only one a kit is available for currently? P.S; Suzuki can be had new for just over £7500 currently!
Definitely agree with the under-seat storage, the Honda can hang a helmet there as well with the included helmet cable doohickey!
Also, quite surprised by the jury's choice. There was no way a 10-year-old platform would come first or so I thought.
Interesting review. This class seems very polarising & mainly about personal preference as they all go about things very differently. No bad thing as it means variety & something for everyone. I'm late 40's with dodgy shoulders & own the 8R because of the comfort & it's all round ability. Plus the low down torque suits my riding preference & is still fun at legal speeds. I also don't think it's pretending to be a sports bike at all. It is what it is & the least pretentious bike there. I use mine for a bit of everything except track days. Speaking of which, bit confused Bennetts said the 8R was seemingly great at the launch but now it's not so good after all apparently? Genuinely not annoyed by that as it's just different opinions. I did my homework on all of these bikes & more, & the Suzuki suited my needs best, but it does seem more than a little contradictory by you guys? Discuss. ; )
Honda for me, im 59 and have a GSX650F
Great summary. 50+ yo, you are either all in or not. 100% heart.
Surely the new Kawa 400 fits in based on BHP (high 60’s / early 70’s same as the twins)?
Looking at this class for my next bike, test ridden both the Suzuki and triumph. Found the Suzuki the overall better bike, engine is the star of the show on the triumph but for me the dash is so cheap and too small in that bike so it’s just a sea of plastic around the clocks and when priced to match the spec of the Suzuki it comes out more expensive. Still to ride the Honda and aprilia, the r7 position is too extreme for me.
Missing one major player in the Aprilia 660?
I rode the 8R at the suzuki demo ride a month ago. I would echo the "benign", but comfy. I can't wait to ride the other 3+ bikes in the category. Currently own a 24' 765R (first bike at 40 years of age) and wishing I had bought something with a proper windscreen, factory optional luggage, and cruise. However, not sure I can justify giving up the 30+ hp to buy one of these, but I also don't want to go up 20-40hp with a bigger bike. ... If only triumph made a "tuono" version of the street triple, or make the 24' Daytona fairings retro-fittable to the Street Triple
I’m 59 and if all other conditions were leveled, I definitely would go for the Honda. In first because I prefer a four cilindre sports bike over the other options and secondly because it feels like a slightly bigger bike than the rest.
You’ve missed out the actual middleweight sports bikes like the CBR600RR… these twins are not middleweight sports bikes.
Apparently they are now. 😢
I took the Suzuki 8R on a test ride back in March as I wanted a second bike for longer rides and greater comfort, I really like the look of it and found it very easy to ride slow and use in an urban setting, that torque is strong but like you guys I found the top end a bit lacking, also the fake clip ons look a bit crap to be honest, I really wanted to like it but found the ride home on my own CBR400RR so much more exciting. That said I think this will do well for Suzuki, for those moving up to their 1st big bike in todays market and buy on looks this could be the ticket.
Is the Honda E-Clutch the same as the Rekluse Clutch?
RS660 is my favourite, thats why I bought one!
Second place to the CBR.
I'm in my late 30's.
But I have not ridden the Daytona 660 as was not released when I was looking.
Thoroughly underwhelmed when i test rode the Suzuki and the Yamaha.
Was going to buy an R7 last year, but those ergos were too extreme for road use; grabbed a '23 GSX-R750 instead. That bike never gets ridden with less than half tank fuel just in case I need to run from the cops (kidding!). Picked up a '24 Ninja 650 and added the 30 mm taller Kaw accessory seat and ditched the horribly stiff Dunlop tires and found a great do-everything bike that CAN provide decent fuel economy when needed, but is light and fun to thrash too. When I added the '25 Daytona 660, I found a bike more in line with what I initially wanted; a great all-rounder similar to those great middleweights of the 90s (CBR600R F2, ZX-6, YZF600, etc.) I'll be 55 this month and treat these bikes like footwear for the day; what do I want to do and choose accordingly.
R18, I've always liked them. For the right price I think I would trade in the GS1250 Rallye.
MCN did this test and the Honda came last the Suzuki first?
E clutch, is a brilliant move. Since starting my TH-cam channel, I’ve gotten a lot of questions. Young people aren’t using clutches in cars. They are frightened of the clutch. Smart move Honda. They will sell a ton to new riders!
The R7 should actually be the closest to my taste when it comes to riding. I love bikes that make you work without your driving license in being too much danger. Love the Triumph’s styling most though. Imagine a half faired version like the 1200 RR.
Being a old OLD school biker when waiting at traffic lights etc a cheeky little blip of the throttle is required on the odd occasion so know e clutch for me thanks😬
You can still use the clutch and override the e-clutch! Even the DCT can be put on neutral for some traffic light fun. Other manufacturers have patents on systems eliminating the clutch but Honda was smart and left the uh left lever for us old farts. It's not like a CVT. But if you want it can help on stop and go traffic, I think it's genius.
I went for the ZX4RR
I'm glad you didn't include the RS660 because while it would objectively wipe the floor with the other bikes on spec and performance, the pricing is also on another planet. How the Zx4r would compare would have been interesting to hear, but unlike the R7 it probably would have been left behind on your ride! For me the pick of the bunch would also be the Honda, but I'd save money and buy the last model year without the e-clutch or the TFT. R7 would be a close second but the engine is just too tractor-like for what the ergos are going for.
Fantastic review 🤩 but I'm sorry I like the Triumph 😄
Greetings from India
Edit: I'm 33 and what I want from a "sort of perfect" bike in this range is
1. Comfort (not going to be old soon but that stupid racer inside me is dead)
2. Enough Power (close to 100)
3. Good Looks (looks definitely matter)
4. Enough new age electronics.
5. Reliability (it obviously will come along in this segment)
Will buy the CBR 650R this year, just waiting for its launch here. Also, Honda aesthetically updated this year's model exactly the way i wished they should have, they sharpened it from the front as well as rear + new age instrumentations. Also Triumph is going to sell this Daytona in huge numbers as well, even its booking has officially begun but no pricing till now but they both will definitely lunch at a price equivalent to less than 10,000£
I understand the appeal of the eclutch for some people (beginners, people with problems with their left hand, arthritis, people who ride in heavy traffic regularly etc) but personally I don't want it. I would have preferred a RBW throttle and proper up-down QS. Also the huge cancer on the side of the engine looks horrid. I'm sure it will get smaller over generations but as it is now, it looks like someone's garage project just slapped on the side.
From a younger person perspective (mid 20s) the Honda is the clear winner, out of my riding mates 4 have the honda due to how looks and the inline four. It is the oldest of the bunch so that may be the reason behind it as two of the guys bought them used. Next I know one guy with the Yamaha, this is due tot he looks and heritage from the r6 although I have been told it is a fun bike. The other are not even in consideration of guys I know my age as we all see this as a step to eventually getting something more powerful. But in general these are all great and would make great first or second bikes and are plenty powerful on the road. Thanks guys great video .
I can only ride for an hour before my clutch hand hurts due to carpal tunnel so the e clutch would be great for me
Give it a test ride and let us know your thoughts, but I suspect it'd be ideal for your issue.
MFG's beard grows ever more impressive.
No Aprilia?
Which is the best middleweight sportsbike of 2024 (that isn’t an Aprilia)
New title for the vid - good otherwise though chaps!
Triumph and in that colour but I'll be keeping my 2002 ZX6R. Age 67½.
Would have been good to include the Ninja 650
Yes it would, as I mentioned at the beginning of the video. Same goes for the ZX4, and the RS660...
oh boy... during the entire test I wish everyone said they wanted the Daytona 660, but all I could do was actually watch the CBR. It's so beautiful.
And I ride a Trident now, and I really love it, so I should be familiar with the platform. But the colours, the shape, couldn't keep my eyes off the honda.
I like big butts... number of cilinders, so probably that's where my money would go.
@@MarianChicu hopefully our chat proved to be useful for you. Before riding any of the three new bikes for 2024 - I’ve ridden the R7 several times before (and therefore just comparing spec sheets) I was certainly most excited about the Triumph. The Suzuki was the first I did ride, on the world press launch and I really enjoyed it. But riding them all back-to-back gave a really interesting result for all of us.
Anyway, thanks for the comment,
Michael
@@bennettsbikesocial yes, ofc, I loved that chat amongst yourselves. Entertaining and informative. Cheers!
Got the Gsx8R and agree in all barring the range….. topped up recently and it went 200 miles - albeit not spirited riding and I’m not claiming that (mostly A34 and M40) but….. I wasn’t too economical on the multitude of overtakes either. Normal range bobbing about is about 170 miles safely. And that s all road types and lots of “spirited” moments. Agree re not a sports bike. Nice bit of “head” tho 😂😂😂
Ditto on the mileage! I have an 8S and typically fill up around 180 miles using approx. 3 gal. or 60ish (US) mpg.
If the suzuki was prettier id seriously consider it. For now its between the honda and the kawasaki zx4rr, still cant decide 😫
Where are the cbr600rr and zx6r ?
I think they are in supersport class
Different class...
A cbr600rr vs a cbr650r would be a strange comparison
@@chrishart8548it would be, but I’d be keen to watch these guys compare them.
@@chrishart8548 the video says best middleweight, the cbr600rr and the zx6r are middleweights, and better
I am old and I don't get it. I just started four years ago on an RC390 and I spend a lot of time at 'impound speeds'. I still don't know what an Extra 120Hp is for on streets with civilians. But I do regret never having an R6; or that RR or GXR or 675. The bikes on your ride just seem 60 pounds Up and 40Hp Down.
I am 33 yo, and love the riding position of my R7. CBR650R was also in my list, but brainheads at Honda dont sell a full power version in Australia for some idiot reasons. Every other manufacturers offer both versions of their bikes.
The comment on the Suzuki - not being fair comparing it to the others (Or something like that)was an interesting one. Suzuki have done this to themselves trying to sell that as a sports bike. Its not even in the same league as the others. Putting an R on something does not make it a sports bike. Great to see people are talking about that Suzuki now the way it should be. Its a real shame to see it go this way. The GSXR was one of the best superbikes you could get. Its a new Bandit in my opinion. It would be a tough decision between that R7 and the Honda for me.
The answer is the Aprilia RS660 is the best 😂 so good you guys didnt even include it
why are they so wheezy? Im sure my little 2016 R6 had about130bhp?
These are mostly parallel twins now so like a old British bike in a nice dress. R6 =130hp. R7=73hp.
I agree, honda for me, shame they don't do a comfortable 1000 that is not a sports tourer.
The Hornet 1000 is coming soon. That might suit you.
I'd have liked a zx6r / cbr600rr included, just to see if they are in reality more racy and 'not suitable for the road compared to the slightly cheaper road focused bikes
E clutch is a big plus for senior riders or those with arthritic hands.
Or lazy riders 😂