Could SORA be The Master of Masters - The SERIES BIGGEST TWIST | Kingdom Hearts Phase 2
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- The Most Popular Theory in the Kingdom Hearts Community Post Kingdom Hearts 3 is Sora being the Master... well let's see what this theory has to offer.
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C'mon, people, the Master Of Masters is OBVIOUSLY Sora's mom.
Think about it, Master Of Masters... MOM. She's trying to restart the universe without darkness in it so that Sora won't skip dinner to go fight evil.
THAT........IS......GENIUS
But like.. what if it’s true?
@@justsomeguy4422will if that's true l will kill myself
I wish we got to see some more of the casts family beside Kari's granma
@@richarddavis8863 kill me plz
Remember the rules of Kingdom Hearts: Everyone is Xehanort. Everyone else is Sora.
Or a riku
@@trustyrat8632 or a Kyrie
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
@ashley bruh pls spellcheck and use grammar
@ashley no you didn't lol, grammar includes punctuation. it's ok lol
KH community making all sort of theories about MoM true identity because of his hide face
meanwhile, Nomura make the character wear a hood, so he don't need to bother to create his design so soon XD
I think that might be one of a reason. He has to think everthing to come up in kingdom hearts story.
@@Luxstar13 yeah cause Nomura is kind of throwing stuff in at random. Like Xion, wasn’t thought of until after kh2
Since 358/2 days came after kh 2 with no mention of Xion
@@DidNotSeeYouThere most long running stories aren’t thought of completely from the beginning nomura basically started out only writing about one game ahead as he came up with chain of memories after he came up with two which was during the development of kh. So it’s not really an issue that she was introduced after especially considering it was explained pretty solidly considering the entire structure of kh
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
@@DidNotSeeYouThere correct me if I'm wrong, but when xion disappeared wasn't everyone supposed to forget her? So she wouldn't really be mentioned
I could accept the MoM being Sora somehow but it really depends on the how and why. There's definitely a connection when MoM says he's been fighting the Keyblade war since he was a child, which is basically also true for Sora (15/16 is still pretty child stage imo) as well as Sora's lion origins and other "King" motifs giving a connect to Pride, the last deadly sin that MoM is assumed to have a namesake of. I would also prefer if he was his own character, though. The similarities they do share will only make for more compelling interactions when they do meet, if they are different characters.
My theory is that the Master of Masters is Nomura himself.
- He essentially “foretold” (wrote) the “future” (plot) of the series.
- We can’t hear his name because it would be incomprehensible to us if it was him.
- He’s always countless steps ahead from us because he’s making it up as he goes.
- He started off the war so that the future he envisioned would happen.
- Because we know he would be the type to do it for reasons.
Nah he’s just sora’s dad.
That would be equal parts "neat" as it would be lame
Lol I theorised that it was Nomura too. Also he's from Quadratum (?) or whatever its called, a realistic city.
why would you propose the nomura is mom theory without mentioning that in the kh4 trailer the mom is literally standing on the Square Building in shibuya
@@Angenano i didn’t know it was the square building
The master of Master is really the player we've been playing everybody from the start 🤣 the biggest twist is there will be no twist LOL
You might be onto something
@@ProdigyxCD you never know memora is very clever
"The biggest twist is there will be no twist." That worked out great for Star Wars 8: TLJ 🙄....
@@jalinmurphy9 the reason Star Wars failed because it's being run by sjws
@@jalinmurphy9 They should’ve followed the Star Wars Legends comics instead of the trash sequels they produced
I remember watching a theory that MoM is literally Nomura, i can totally believe it
MoMura
lol, don't give him ideas.
The MoM is Munxora, Nomura's nobody
The longer this goes on, the longer I believe it.
I've also just heard a pretty convincing argument that the Master of masters true name is.. Light. AKA _Lux_ in Latin!
Light Yagami
Sora is the MoM reincarnated with his Memories locked away! The black box is the key to unlocking his Memories and becoming the MoM
I HOPE NOT OMG I WOULD CRY
Considering that Xehanort is the reincarnated Union x Player, I would totally believe this twist.
@@accendere224 he isn’t he’s the old man who watched xehanort until he died
I personally think MoM is either the void of the Final World or Kingdom Hearts itself in human form. MoM needs a keyblade wielder strong enough to save him from Darkness. The coat may ward off darkness, but it is not a permanent solution. Xehanort saw a terrible future, perhaps the death of the MoM to Darkness and realized the only solution was the light from a strong heart, that of a keyblade wielder's, to rise up to the challenge. He decided to follow in the footsteps of his predecessors in training the future generations, although with a quicker method because of how fast the darkness grows. The importace of MoM being the void of the Final World is to represent the last salvation for hearts to go to, when the body and soul are lost. Kinda felt like when Yozora met Sora in the Final World, the dark sky was meant to represent the MoM slowly falling to darkness, in which Yozora was described to appear differently. Although the Sora in the secret episode is not Sora, but rather a Xion-like Sora, in which to us, Sora looked like himself with all his memories in tact, but rather Yozora saw Sora as someone else and was quite thrown off and highly aggressive.
Everything so far has been Xehanort grooming Sora to become the person he is at the end of KH3. He realized this destiny that the hope he truly wished for was Sora to be the savior when he met MoM in the flashback of the re:mind dlc. Sending Kairi to the destiny islands was not by chance. He wanted Kairi to be the beacon that lit Sora's path, instead of Sora succumbing ot the darkness. Perhaps the reason why Xehanort visited the islands so often was to check the progress of Sora's growth. Xehanort probably believed than he needed to show Sora more despair at the end of KH3 to further prepare his heart, but Eraqus stopped him because he had done enough and to save Master Xehanort from getting lost to the darkness. I think that the rules of using the power of waking are made up by Xehanort throughout time to stop keyblade wielders from recklessly using it. He goads Sora about Sora's reckelss use to not dissuade, but test his heart of its conviction.
On a side note, does Sora now wield the X-blade? It looked like Xehanort bequeathed it to Sora, similar to the other rituals. Sora was able to fully use the X-blade to stop Kingdom Hearts after Master Xehanort gave it to him and passed on. Landi Lodge's video about the bequeathing was the same theory i had concluded to.
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
@@ChaniTsunami229 Care to explain what is a "Primus L'Cie"? Never heard of it.
@@eliasacevedo5711 i might have the wording wrong but basically if you know the crystallis storyline then what I mean is Noctis is like a general of the L’cie and they are given a Focus. Also the KH/Disney world is a dream, Sora wakes up in the “real world”
Master of master being light itself is way more interesting than he being sora... THINK THE CONFLIT IT WOULD MAKE
Someone made a video about the cutscene between MoM and Young Xehanort where right before Xehanort asks what MoM's name is, MoM tells him that the truth is not what you hear, but what you see. When MoM says his name, you "hear" nothing but you "see" light.
@@ThePROMINENCE thank you!!! Plus he never heard of his name again. So it must be a totally new character.
People keep forgetting that scene when he talks to isa and braig about meeting the master of masters
@@robertworley5552 link it
Yes. NextGenNovelist also said this would be an interesting angle and another Kingdom Hearts content TH-camr Landi Lodge also suggested this idea. I personally think his name is Lucifer since in Latin that means Lightbringer and that would tie in with him being connected to the light. After all sometimes light is not good and darkness isn’t always evil. It all depends on how a person wields it.
*Sora:* “Im just a simple boy, trying to make my way in the Disneyverse.”
I see that reference fir doctor who right or kamen rider decade
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
@@ChaniTsunami229 not that shit
Good...good...
Got the reference
fun fact. MoM's english voice actor is the one who voiced Noctis as well. now thats a plot twist
Considering Nomura wanted Noctis from Versus XIII to be Soras literal opposite, possibly having them meet each other in future games if it did release.
Now we have Yozora in the same exact way they teased Versus XIII it would make me flip shit if he was Noctis at the end of the day. The MoM is a Final Fantasy character 😭 The Warrior of Light himself 🤷🏽♂️ have to wait and see.
That’s my personal theory though.
@@michibeatz1030 wish i could work at squire enix just to laugh at prediction videos XD wait.. maybe i do :P
didn't we see sora's gazing eyes while fighting young xehanort? It could explain why so many keyblades have the gazing eyes, since such keyblades owners are related to either sora or master of masters. Why does vanitas have two eyes in keyblade? because he was related to both Sora and Master of Masters, No name keyblade awakened him.
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
@@ChaniTsunami229 🤣🤣🤣 But wouldnt it mean Sora is L'cie too? Dude turned to crystal after all after his fight with Yozora. Bet Sora's focus was to lose?
@@Zentiu Perhaps or high ranking L’Cie like Yozora can turn people to crystal at whim idk lol
According to the source from which the foretellers are inspired, the sins are represented by animals, Snake for Envy (Invi); Bear for Sloth (Aced); Unicorn for Wrath (Ira); Fox for Avarice (Ava); Panther for Gluttony (Gula) and we also have Goat for Lust (Luxu, remember his keyblade and also Xehanort's goat armor on his Scala boss fight) and at last a Lion for Pride, which is considered the worst sin from which the others come from, and the opposite of Pride is the virtue of Humility, which is Sora's biggest trait and proof of his simplicity (he is also always around lion and royalty imagery, crowns, thrones, etc. Myabe Kingdom Hearts universe exists in a loop, or is a collective dream, and kingdom hearts itself resets the universe (as Xehanort stated) but literally, starting itself all over again in the age of fairytales. Maybe Sora would have been broken out of this cycle and grew up trying again and again to stop it, eventually realizing that its pointless, accepting his fate, becoming nihilistic chill about knowint it all, writting the book of prophecies and starting to help fate unfold itself by playing with wielders like pieces in a game. Maybe younger Sora's last enemy is himself, having to face what he would become if he lost faith and was alone, his older self who lost hope and accepted destiny as it is. (They wouldn't share mannerism because if the master is an older broken Sora he would've changed, and one of the most famous lines about this series is Kairi's "Don't ever change" and it would be tragically ironic if this other version of Sora did change)
Darkest timeline sora that results of one possibility of the journey of hubris, started in KH3. For sora is pride, the final sin that the foretellers were galvanized by. His own sins, his darkness (vanitas), all parts of himself that helped create each and every world we know, as shown in KHUX. The book of prophecies his life, his end goal, completely unknown
Vanitas is Ventus' darkness, he only looks like Sora because Sora was the piece Ven needed to be whole. Sora doesn't really have a darkness in physical form unless maybe you want to say Darkside since he is so linked to it and it is the most reoccurring special heartless he fights.
@@bayardkyyako7427 i understand your point. If we follow that logic though, ventus is decades older, as his relationship with 'darkness' and whatever would be his own darkness. The likeness of Sora doesnt bear any factor there, sure when ventus was split he went into sora, but that wouldn't retrofit the appearance of his darkness, or any 'darkness' that preceded. If we also take the point of Sora having a connection to 'darkseids', which i believe he does, Darkseids appear throughout the dark realm, data realms and others.. throughout time. In KHUX, KHBBS Re:Coded...they seem to be the oldest and most consistent form for manifestation of any strong 'heartless'. Frankly, the point further enforces my theory of Sora being MoM, as he created/ recreated all conceivable worlds, is connected to all hearts and will eventually go far enough back in time to imprint his true heartless in the separation of his sins and darkness, as a Darkseid, to be echoed across each iteration of KH thusfar. Darkseid is seen in Book of Prohecies as well. Ventus, i believe, is manifested due to Sora taking the 'dark road' as Xehanort did. Ventus is the true child of light, borne of Soras choices, to balance them. Just as we see Riku, a possible analog of Xehanorts choices, reconciling the 'dark road' to his self proclaimed, 'road to dawn'. Their parallels in trajectory being hinted at in BBS and DDD i.e. Destiny Island shore scenes. Cant wait to see how it unfolds!
@@bayardkyyako7427 Sora, however, seems to have had a large impact on Vanitas as a separate offspring of 'Darkness' as a separate but connected entity. Based on what Vanitas said himself in KH3, he is the shadow that both Ventus AND Sora cast, so it would make sense that such an offshoot of 'Darkness' (who is referred to as a plural identity so being more than one individual but rather a group) came from Ventus while his physical appearance and personality was adapted from Sora since Sora healed Ventus as a baby, and by proxy Vanitas as well. Vanitas is the closest thing we have to Sora's darkness other than his Anti Form.
@@shonascott5499 I still think that's going deep into something that doesn't quite exist.
@@bayardkyyako7427 Vanitas himself said in the end that both Ventus and Sora define him, that line is not there for nothing...
I only think sora is master because something Nomura said remember how sora pulled kingdom key out of raiko on destiny islands Nomura said that is how the master makes keyblades he pulls them out of people's heart's but now he sounds like some apostle if light then
Riku did the same thing for Kairi
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
If Master of Masters is Sora from a different timeline, and changed it be intense.
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
@@ChaniTsunami229 ah the FF13 references
I still stand that goofy is MoM, he is way too smart to be just a Goofy
That would be a plot twist too , goofy has a darker side lol
Goofy is clearly the true antagonist of the series
Goofy is goofy:)))))
Goofy is the master of MoM
If Sora is the master of masters then kingdom hearts 3 Sora have to decide what to do with him whether to save him from darkness or defeat him.
Sora can’t be The master of masters because he never passed his exam, lmao.
He could've had his memories altered prior to kh1
But that’s the PERFECT IRONY!
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
MoM actually references himself as a "lost master"
Superbia, Sora, Demyx, light, -luxu- , are all The candidates I’ve heard of...
+ Nomura
Why not all of the above. You know it's possible. MUWHAHAHAHA
I also heard people think he's the player character from KHUX.
If Sora is MoM, I can see the story take the emiya and archer kind of story from fate/stay night
My thoughts exactly
Sora could teach himself the truth without ever learning it himself. Like Future Sora tells Young Sora which is why Sora becomes the MoM that teaches Sora later in life
Imagine Sora being a clone of the MoM.
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
I like this theory, it explains some dynamics I've seen in the series. The way Xigbar in KH2 treats Sora could be a reversal of Luxu and the Master.
Also the all seeing eye being on the enemies weapons Sora faces through his journey is the Master tracking his growth.
What if the MoM is Walt Disney himself? Or rather, his character model would look like him. That would be awesome.
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
Isn't that Yen Sid though? His name is an anagram of Disney after all.
Lilli Correct. More Precisely it is Disney spelled backwards.
Master Yen Sid was Walt Disney’s nobody all along! And the Master of Masters is his heartless!
Sora: "Alone, I'm worthless".
Also Sora: *Defeats Sephiroth 1vs1 in 2 different games*.
I think what ultimately breaks this theory is the mechanics of time travel in the kh universe. Unless I'm miss remembering the only way it would work is if the sora we play as is actually a replica brought from the past as its impossible for some one to go back to a point in time where they don't already exist.
I could see him as being an alternate version of Sora from some timeline separate from the main timeline and the unreality timeline where it’s similar to the main timeline but things went differently. The book of prophecies could be depicting the events of his timeline and he purposely wanted things to change by having Luxu and the Foretellers doing things differently, like Luxu taking bodies instead of passing the keyblade down and the Union leaders not following the rules set for them, to hopefully get the timeline to be right.
The one reason I could see him being Sora is because the series has started being like a J-Drama or Toku show and lately they’ve been into that storyline so Nomura might be doing his take on it.
I still believe that MoM is Master Odin
-Both have 1 eye
-Both have an eye that can see the future (In Norse Mythology, Ravens were Odin's all seeing eye)
-Both have seen many wars
(Ragnarok)
Holy s**t, that’ll be a crazy plot twist besides Sora being the Master of Masters! 😮
If the Master of Masters says "got it memorized?" I'm going to scream
It would never be someone so weak.
@@NevesThaMenace ah but if you think about it wouldn't that make the twist hit harder?
@@NevesThaMenace wdym, everybody is rooting for him smh
I keep telling you but you don't listen. EVERYONE IS SORA. Simple. Don't overthink this.
Here's an analysis of what is implied implicitly and explicitly in the yozora and sora scene.
Yozora exclaims with confusion and surprise "you're sora?!" and subtly hints that that's not what "sora" looks like. (Implying there's a DIFFERENT VERSION of Sora in a different FUTURE timeline or reality)
Yozora claims to want to save sora from himself (implying that a FUTURE version of sora has done something bad or a grave mistake)
Yozora claims that he himself has lost his form (making a FUTURE or alternate reality version of yozora and sora different looking characters with possibly different personalities)
Now an analysis of what we know of yozora's and sora's situation
We know yozora's world is a world from another time and/or reality.
We know that world suffers a catastrophic attack, as if a rift has opened and it's swallowing the world as seen in the toy story scene, but it's not shown who did it.
We know Sora can reverse or go forward in time, along with xehanort, and the master of masters, but this has grave consequences if done repeatedly, because the traveler could get distorted, die, or get corrupted. (Could sora have traveled through time many times and has changed, as yozora implies. Could the sora we know now simply be one of many different in points in time backwards and forward into the future? And if this is the case, is the master of masters a version of Sora that has abused the power of time travel, which in return distorted his appearance and changed his personality?) Master of masters is hinted to have found immortality through time travel, and living infinitely will change your personality and look.
My thoughts almost exactly. At first, when I saw this theory a while ago, I brushed it off as some random theory that a person in the community came up with. I did not at all expect it to become one of the most popular theories in KH history. I just want Sora and the master to be their own characters. If Sora and the master were the same character, not only would it be pulling another Xigbar is Luxu type twist, but it would take away from the already established originality both of these characters have. The only way I could see this working is if the master was future Sora from an alternate worldline, in which the outcome of Sora's journey was drastically different, but even that would a bit hard to believe and accept. Either way, I highly doubt that this is the direction that the KH story is going and that no matter where it goes, Nomura will find a way for it to work, as well as make it as confusing as possible lol. Very great video, prodigy!
Thanks a lot! I would totally prefer for them both to be their own characters honestly or at least anyone but sora, but we'll see what happens.
@@ProdigyxCD Yeah I agree we already have two Soras, Vanitas and Sora himself. We don't need a third Sora.
@@ProdigyxCD Yeah, we'll just have to see what happens
@@roopereimi1718 Even when not comparing to the Xigbar/Luxu reveal, I still want MoM to have his own original story. I want him to be his own original character, not another character that has already been established as someone else. Even if it is revealed that MoM is another character that we've previously known about, I would rather he be just about any other character besides Sora.
@@roopereimi1718 First, hearts within hearts, when it comes to Sora, is one of the most important plot points in the series. Second, I don't see how MoM being Sora would be thematically fitting. In fact, I think it's the opposite of thematically fitting. Third, it is not at all fair to compare this hypothetical and unlikely plotline to the death of Aeris in FF7. These two things are nothing alike, and one probably won't even happen.
Master of Masters and Demyx have the exact same mannerisms and we know next to nothing about Demyx
In all honesty, I don't think that this is true. The MoM has the ability to see the future right? Well, where in the enireity of the KH saga does Sora seem to possess this ability? Sora can't predict the future and there's nowhere in the saga where Sora seems to see the future. This main detail clearly debunks the theory entirely. The MoM must be a new character. It's the only logical explanation. Demyx is a possibility, but honestly, he doesn't seem to see the future either. Plus, he's pretty weak and doesn't even have a fraction of the power the MoM seems to have.
But if the MoM is a future version of Sora that would mean he hasn’t picked the ability up yet, therefore it still fits.
@@nicholascarter8433 Even so, Sora being the MoM contradicts why Nomura wrote Sora the way he did. Sora is supposed to be a character in which we all can relate to. He's not a chosen keyblade wielder, so he's nothing special. He's written as an ordinary boy with hidden potential found in connecting with others. So for Sora to be this all powerful being is extremely far fetched. Besides, in certain cutscenes that we do see the MoM in, the way that he talks to Luxu has subtle hints that he, himself, may not be human. Sora, on the other hand, he's all human as far as we're concerned. It could be that the MoM is similar to Darkness and is an entity of light. But, either way I'm a wait and see kind of person.
@@acjmonkeyaj7139 I agree we should all just wait. However I was simply stating that based off your original comment (which your reply did not have anything to do with) it is still entirely plausible. I have no opinions on who the MoM is myself, I was simply commenting that your comment on time travel is misplaced due to the fact that IF the MoM is a future version of Sora and he picks up the ability to read into the future after his present self, that would mean his past self would not see all of the things in the future up until the “MoM Sora” had created the master keyblade. The only version of the MoM to see into the future was after that keyblade was made as well, so again it’s plausible.
The book of prophecies is just Jiminys journal. So obviously the MoM is Jiminy Crickey who is super-sized. This is what Nomura is planning
MoM not being Demyx would mean he could try acting buddy buddy to the protags while they feel awkward without any hidden motives
Which I would freaking love
I personally don't believe Sora (or Demyx) is the MoM but it WOULD be something Nomura would pull. Perhaps a Sora from an alternate reality/worldline? Lmao, so I can see it. I just don't agree with it. We'll see though! Eventually....
I think it would be cool if MoM was his own original character, but at the same time (with no evidence) I think it would be cool for him to be revealed to be an older Riku.
Riku at the beginning of the series struggled with the darkness in himself and over the course of the series he has come to balance the light and the dark to become a Keyblade Master.
The MoM is morally gray, and obviously very smart. Sora tends to be very emotional, even in the later games, and Riku is now more level headed and has always been very smart.
He also shared a body with Ansem and Ansem's heartless ability was to time travel. Maybe a future Riku is able to tap into this ability after some event that has yet to happen and able to travel back in time, become the Master of Masters and end the Keyblade Wars for good.
If Sora was MoM it would be more out of character for him to not reveal to his friend in the "present" (past for MoM) that he is Sora.
Where as if Riku is enacting some master plan, he would know Sora to be too emotional and wouldn't be able to share his identity, as Sora would want to know what's going on and would try to change the plan to save anyone from being hurt or used.
A future Riku would have lived all of this, and would know that some events are required to happen in order to achieve the result he's hoping for.
I think it could fit in as a nice end of Riku's growth in the series. We could see him struggle with and rationalize events that take place in future KH titles, and instead of falling back into the darkness, he takes on the weight of the world, orchestrating a final plan to end the wars.
After it's all over, he gets to sit on the beach and reveal to Sora his identity as they stare off into the sunset and the screen fades to black.
No I think MoM is it’s own new character.
I hope this is true and we get to play as mom or yozora in the next game
I doubt it will happen
yozora i feel is a posibility
MoMmy is prolly not gonna happen
Can't say i'm looking forward to playing as some random dude on the internet's mom in the future.
MoM is Noctis, Noctis is a Primus L'Cie and Yozora is one of his L'Cie... Yozora's Focus is to "save Sora" (his girlfriend)
We probably play as riku in the next game really.
@@ChaniTsunami229 yeah i do not beileve sora is yosora girlfriend plus he confirmed thst yosora was not his real body.
I've been saying this from MoM's first appearance
It's either Sora or Demyx
That's an interesting theory, but the Yozora ending of KH3 kinda debunked it, since we saw Sora, Riku, Yozora, and possibly MOM in Quadratum at the same time, so Sora and MOM are different characters
I think the theory means a different timeline Sora or future Sora. Either way I can’t stand the theory.
True maybe.
Well we had Xehanort and Young Xehanort at the same time
We saw like fifty different Xehanort's at the same time, if Xemnas, Ansem, Young Xehanort and Terra-nort can all exist in the same room as old man Xehanort then I think a teenage Sora and an Adult MoM Sora could exist at the same time.
Ask me, I think Nomura wants his Star Wars episode V moment of MoM saying ‘Sora, I am your father’
Yes I think MoM is somehow connected to Sora's family.
LET THE MASTER BE HIS OWN CHARACTER. Fuck it, Chip and Dale are both the MoM.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to be a villain "
This could be just Sora aka Master of master, would be super cool.....or could it be Riku????
It could be Riku. MoM’s eye is similar to Riku’s eyes. Could be a multiverse Riku that traveled throughout time, hence MoM’s disappearance.
@@khfan4life365 yea and the actual reason for Riku to travel throughout time ... is to save Sora from his own timeline🤯🤯🤯🤯
I dont feel like Master of Masters is arrogant. Cocky maybe but I just see cynacism and a snarky attitude. Maybe he feels like it just isnt worth fighting and tends to mock others for their choices.
Exactly what I think...why would you be any different than that if you know what's to come and also not being able to prevent it. Anyone would become cynic and mock others
Now we gotta wait 10 years for the next kingdom hearts console game
shame i dont have any way to record my playthroughs, my last bbs ventus one i absolutely bodied final vanitas, it wasnt even close.
kinda hard to have sora be the MoM especially if they try to say tike travel cause like how can he be from a time in which he wasnt born yet or go back to a time in which he wasnt born yet, doesnt really make sense to try that route but idk i could just be thinking wrong
There is two ways you could explain him being able to go all the way back to that time and it’s with Ventis and his heart being in Sora since no matter what Sora keeps a piece of Ventis for some reason in his heart. Though that would mean he could only go 16 years before Union cross which doesn’t leave a lot of time to train the Foretellers.
The other possibility is a Time loop which has been hinted at for a long time with all the Key Blade Wars always repeating themselves no matter what with 7 lights and 13 darknesses. The war we saw with the Foretellers wasn’t the war the master was talking about specifically but rather the all the wars in general as everyone ends in Darkness winning from Union cross to the mini war with Terra Aqua and Ventis the only one that didn’t that we know of is The masters war and The war in KH3 which is odd for there to be two outliers
*Plot Twist* Nomura knowing this will be the most popular theory throws a twist the Master of Masters is a future version of Ventus
Quick question for time travel you need a body or a past version of yourself from that time so how does that explain a "future version" Sora appear back then because I doubt they had replicas back then.
That one thing is the reason I never bought into this theory.
What if Master of Masters is the Sora that could not save Kairi and his friends?
I find it dam curious why kingdom hearts changes from that lightbulb color to the black/purple darkness color when Xehanort beams it with the xblade that was made out of the fkn baphomet keyblade.
Yeah I've kinda always felt This is the case. The Master was always so laid back and carefree. There's a positivity to him that feels like a matured Sora to me. But still maintaining the childish side in his words. Plus the way he just vanishes. Be it Dead or just Gone. It's where My feelings always pointed me. Sora is the key to everything.
MoM is Sora from the first timeline that failed to save his friends
I think that the MoM is like God from full metal alchemist "who am I. One name you might have for me is happiness or loneliness, love, hate, memories and the worlds you've traveled, your biggest dreams, your strangest thoughts I am even your strongest hopes and your darkest fears and your brightest light but sora most importantly I am you and I am also the thoughts guiding you to the same conclusion.
Sora: and what conclusion is that?
MoM: *looks at the screen* the perfect ending.......
Having Sora be the Master of Masters is like Emmett turning out to be Rex.
I saw a post on Facebook that showed Sora and the Master share some bits of body language, but it wasn't used to posit that they are the same person but rather to say it will be fun to see them meet and interact. (And by body language, I don't mean "standing in profile while looking slightly upward" like you had at 6:05)
I don't believe in the "Sora is MoM" theory, but it is amusing.
He's Nomura. Mastermind behind the plot? Check. Flings around complicated and convoluted lore? Check. Colossal troll? Check.
Master of Masters is Sora's true Nobody.
Did riku shrink in height from kh2 to 3?..
I've never seems an Adult version of Sora
The masters of masters is comedic similar to Sora , the wya his voice sounds literally like a older Sora too
I have no doubt that the Master of Masters is someone we may know. Why go through all the trouble concealing him if that's not the case. That's my belief.
That doesn't work because Luxu was also hidden, and no one really cares.
MoM is probably just a Light Being, as there are Darkness Beings
He says to Young Xeahnort , I’m a lost master , He tells him he’s gonna take off his coat 🧥
When the Master of Masters told young Xehanort his name and it was muted i audibly said to my self “he’s Sora isn’t he?” Idk why but as a fan of the series for most of my life, that’s what popped into my head
My thought is that the MoM’s is sora from the future. Basically sometime in the future sora would’ve lost everything to darkness and he dons a black coat and uses his power to travel back in time and sets himself up as the Master to try and create a world in the end that is free of darkness.
The only way for someone to tell the future is if someone went through it so he writes the book of prophecies and gives luxu no name so he can keep an eye on events he wasn’t around for.
I would like sora to be the master because it allows us to see another side of a character that is mostly always smiling and happy. It allows us to see a perspective of what could happen when sora actually loses his friends fully. Remember during KH 3 sora almost broke when he lost his friends to the demon tide
I'm still convinced MoM is Lea/Axel the manurisms and personalities are just too identical and I mean Lea pulled a keyboard out of his @$$ comeonnnnn
I find it interesting that we still don’t kno exactly who the foretellers are. We’ve never seen their full faces or kno who they were before or after they became foretellers. I wouldn’t be surprised if we learn more about the in the coming games.
Good video. I hope the Master of Masters is his own character too. However don't be surprised if they pull another "Luxu" with him. They did the same "Xehanort isn't Xehanort" twist twice.
Yeah but both instances came from the same point, Xehanort, and different versions of himself was kinda the point.
What do you mean for the Xehanort one? I don't feel like the Xehanort "Twist" is quite the same thing.
@@ProdigyxCD Well first we had Ansem Seeker of Darkness, who wasn't the real Ansem. He was the apprentice Xehanort while Ansem the Wise was a completely different character. Then they went further back making the apprentice Xehanort actually a amnesiac Terra and the real Xehanort was a old man possessing him with however percent control. I realize these are different then the Master being Sora, the point I was trying to say is that they can repeat a twist in the same series. Especially since the Master wears the same hood. Again, I hope MoM is his own character but you never know.
@@Nerwrax15 Maybe, but it was still repeating the same idea that our main villain wasn't really our main villain. First Ansem and then Terra.
I always used to think he was sora if kairi wouldnt be saved or smth.
Personally I think the Master of Masters' true identity is someone we haven't seen yet. I do think he set up the entire series just in order to train Sora to be the one to defeat darkness though
I don't think sora is the master because why so many people have keyblades and we don't know what he looks like he could be any keyblade weilder in history then do you think he is sora just because keyblade but I will say he could look like him
What if he was sora’s mom?
I mean he is MOM right?
This theory just reminds me of the animated Wakfu series and I'm so behind it! but I wouldn't be surprised if he's just a completely original character!
I think he could be!! Because Yozura was looking to take Sora out! Maybe he realized after his fight with him that he wasn’t the future Sora (aka MoM) and that’s why he said he would save Sora (if you lose your fight against him). Maybe he wanted to save him from his fate of becoming MoM ?
If he's not a unique character...
I want it to be Riku.
He's a little more cocky than Sora, and I could see an older Riku doing all the mannerisms of MoM.
His eye color matches the "Gazing Eye" better than Sora's as well.
Ooh, I like this idea, and I can 100% get behind this
@@awesomesauce6601 Me too but I want him to be a Riku from an alternate universe🌌
I bet it will turn out to be someone else entirely🤣
Like ventus? Vanitas (pride) darkness called the master its old friend ya know
@@wonderingobserver2231 if you'll remember vinitas was stripped from ventus.
So would make more sense for ventus to be the master of Masters if you're going down that route.
But no I don't think it would be ventus.
Ventus is much too young.
Like I said I think it's going to be somebody we've not yet seen.
I doubt that they would actually waste our time with another plot twist.
@@starrieyedGirl Well i have a whole theory that ventus is from years before ux and he actually traveled forward in time to get there then lived out everything we’ve seen and then went all the way back to his normal time and grew up into the master with his knowledge
@@starrieyedGirl And I was saying darkness was calling the master its old friend and you could say vanitas and ventus were friends There actually seems to be a decent amount of hints at it like ventus being pure light and them forming the xblade
@@starrieyedGirl But he probably will be either a new character or someone obvious like luxu in a time loop also I think brain is luxord and luxord is luxus original body that brain stole haha another one I’m spamming
If it is really planned that way, it would be interesting to see how they put it. For me the theory has neither head nor tail, it has no foundations. Why did the Xigbar / luxu plot twist work? Because clearly it was being planned from several titles back and that is why at first it was like "what?" but while I was analyzing it you ended up in the conclusion that it is fine (although there are still some loose ends) but nevertheless I do not see this in which Sora is MoM.
Personally I feel there are a lot of parallels drawn between Sora and MoM. Ever since KH1. Now a lot of them could be newly designed and weren't originally planned until MoM was conceived but they stand.
There's always been Xibar's treatment of Sora. But more so now in KH3 with the reveal, why has Luxord, a person from Verum Rex, simply come to mess with Sora and then disappear? We also know MoM is wondering around in the unreal too. Yozora seems to know of a "Sora", Luxord clearly had intentions for Sora. What was the wildcard for? It obviously wasn't used against Xehanort. Was it meant for TWEWY? If so, how did he know he'd end up there? Who else could possibly know Sora would be there if not MoM. Now that part doesn't back up the Sora is MoM theory but it leaves it open. Did the MoM know it would happen thanks to his eye? Was it actually his plan? Or did he know because he lived it. Who knows.
Goofy: Sora, do you know who the 3rd one might be?
Sora: *shakes head*
Donald: Cause Sora can't count!
Sora: Hey, that's not related!
MoM: Come on! Its simple. You six plus me is seven.
Wait. Don't tell me I don't count!
Maybe the unchained theory is real...
Okay but hear me out. It's all a time loop. Clearly time does not matter in this world and yet it is everything. Sora is the Master of Masters, but it's his future self in the past. (The beginning) He HAD to create the keyblade war. Only way to get his friends back. Over and over again. Til he gets it right. Once you realize the beginning of every game is a foreshadow. You can solve it pretty quick. Just saying. Time wise. Sora is Eraqus. Riku is Xehanort. Sora's just setting up the main game. A matching theory to mine is that we are playing Sora's past and finally catching up to his future. 🤷♀️ What we think is in the present is actually all in the past. Just theories. But so far. It's that and Xigbar is Rikus future self and it's why he feels so comfortable and trusting of the MoM. I love this game!
Here’s a theory, what if Demyx is the master of masters. Now I know but listen to this. Demyx without the x is demy = “half” or “small”. So here’s the theory, what if Demyx is only half a person. Or rather, part of a whole. We never see Demyx as a human being with an actual heart, he is always a nobody. What if he doesn’t have a heart or it left him. But unlike normal nobodies that retain their old memories, he retains false memories or a limited amount of memories. This way the heart of MoM could live on in hiding in quadratum until the time was right, while his body with a lack of memories and no heart lives a separate life; not attracting darkness. Darkness is drawn towards the light in peoples hearts, but since Demyx doesn’t have a heart he is just an empty shell trying to fit in where he feels that he doesn’t.
Even as an organization member he hated it when sora said that nobodies don’t have hearts. For a chill dude, he took that to heart (pun not intended). It’s because he knows he can’t get one. The minute he’s destroyed he’s back to a nobody. The only one who would know is Luxu and he would be keeping his eye on the Masters body until he returns.
Demyx is even fond of Luxu which is revealed in the secret reports in KH3. It all ties together in the most chaotic way possible. Demyx has no goals in life, because he doesn’t even know who he is. He just likes peace and the sound of his guitar
MoM is going to be a new and origional character methinks; but more than that it won't be Sora, I mean why would he need the gazing eye to see what's going to happen to write the Book of Profecies if he was literally there living it?
@@roopereimi1718 Well, when you present it like that, it does sound like a fun theory, I still doubt it'll go like that, but if it does I'd be down with it.
Just watch it be Tetsuya Nomura himself. LOL
Seriously though MOM is seemingly fading in and out of existence just like Sora currently is. So he’s either Sora or just someone who abused the power of waking like he did.
I think he’s Jesus.
A human made out of light just like Vanitus was made out of darkness. Sent from Kingdom Hearts to bring true light back to the world
I have a suggestion for this theory. What if something happens to sora that he becomes evil & and MoM and traveled back in time to fulfill his plan (whatever plan he has) and yozora kinda did the same but only to prevent sora from becoming evil and the MoM? Cuz I played KH3 Yozora's mission and I got both endings first I won against Yozora and witness that beautiful ending and then I choose to lose against Yozora and saw that ending as well but Soras and Yozoras lines got switched so I wonder a lot about this and fighting Yozora gave me that vibe like Yozora was trying to prevent something related to Sora. What do you ladies and gentlemen think about this?
I mean in 8:00 you can clearly see MoM movements and I can't shake the thought of *wait is that Sora?* because you can see some similarities between MoM movements and Sora movements when talking so thats why I believe Sora and MoM are the same but from different timelines.
@@roopereimi1718 to be 100% honest I agreed with your point nomura should explain all of this because it has people hyped but confused and that could cause some serious damage to the KH Saga
@@roopereimi1718 I agree 100% again with your logic you're totally right with your point things seems to make sense now thank you.
@@roopereimi1718 yeah you're right this is bigger than we think I just hope that Nomura doesn't screw it up
@@roopereimi1718 All I hope is that he doesn't destroy this franchise because I grow up with it and I'm too immerse in the KH saga and story line. When Sora dissapear at the end of KH3 I was so sad that I almost cried I can relate with Sora in many aspects so you could see how and why I want Sora back and I can say for a fact that Yozora is truly the key to it and the time travel idea got me really hyped up
Could Be Because of Copy's Sora so many times before now.
This remindes me of inFamous, where Kessler went back in time to stop past Cole from running from the Beast.
No. The Master needs to be an original character.. we already have a bunch of charas that look like Sora.. I agree he is probably not evil, maybe he’s kinda like Thantos, doing something bad for the sake of the greater good but I rly think he needs to be someone we don’t know..
I think MoM is a being of light
What if Sora really is the Master of Masters, not because he came the most powerful, but becomes the MOM because of the power of his heart? The characteristics and strengths of the heart have always been a huge theme to KH and Sora has shows nearly all Stages of growth so far. I would say the only thing he has yet to do is climb the mountain of self improvement that can only be found after you reach your lowest point possible. For Sora, that is having to fight and survive without his friends for an extended amount of time.
This would be such a laugh. I read a fanfic where he was MoM. I don't think Nomura would do that, or else it'd be really complicated
Axel is the Master of Masters. He never takes his coat off for a reason. He's afraid of the dark. Because he's the heart of fire. He sounds exactly like the Master of Masters too. Fire will always exist, in all time frames. Axel loses everyone. And everyone will eventually forget him when they die.
What if sora is the MOM from a timeline where everyone died from the heartless wave. And the book of prophecies are his version of jiminy journal
There are a few points where I disagree with your stance:
1. I feel as though you are focusing way too much on the personalities of Sora and the master in your analysis. People can change when traumatic or life changing events occur to them, and people can even develop new habits and mannerisms. Heck, think about how much Obito Uchiha changed after Rin died in the Naruto series for those who kept up with that series. Therefore, simply analyzing the personalities and mannerisms of Sora and the master is neither enough to confirm nor deny the possibility of the master being a future or alternate timeline Sora.
Honestly, in my experience most of the logic behind the theory that Sora is the master does not come from their personality traits. It comes from certain plot points and "coincidences" that pertain to Sora and the master.
Disclaimer: Do not crucify me for the following examples. I know that there are counterarguments against the following examples. The theory that Sora is the master has been around since long before a lot of the more recent information has been revealed. I personally have been leaning more so to the theory that the master is "Light" as of late.
Examples:
When the master was a boy, he fought in a keyblade war against beings of darkness. The darknesses looked like humans according to the master, although they were not. Interestingly enough, Sora has fought against several humanoid darknesses such as nobodies, Vanitas, and Ansem.
The master did not have a formal master. Neither does Sora.
In KHX back cover, Gula mentioned that the lost page said something about the one who bears the sigil. In dream drop distance, Sora was marked with the recusant's sigil. I know that multiple characters have that sigil. However, for Sora it was emphasized.
Both Sora and the master "dimmed, faded, and vanished" into thin air, and both of them apparently seem to appear in Quadratum.
Depending on how the writers decide to spin things, if Ventus' connection to Sora is sufficient for Ven to be considered somewhat of an incarnation of Sora, then Sora has a means to time travel back to the age of fairy tales since Ven existed back then. Of course there are other ways of time travel too.
etc...
Like I said in the disclaimer, I know that there are holes and counterarguments, but there are also certain ways in which you can stretch your imagination in regards to these plot points.
2. More importantly, the notion that the master is just some brand new character is pretty bad unless he is one of a few potential characters:
1. Light
2. Superbia (because the foretellers' names are based on the 7 deadly sins)
3. Tetsuya Nomura himself
(or anyobody/anything else that would be significant to us, yet new as a "character" all at the same time)
Other than those, having the master be a completely new character makes no sense. The series has gone out of its way to protect the master's identity for years now. They've used the black coat. They muted his voice when he told Xehanort his name. Etc... It is clearly not just the case that they haven't designed his appearance yet (although that could still also be true, but it is not the only truth).
Why would they do that if the master's identity is not someone or something that is significant to us?
Having the master be a completely new character would be like having the host of a concert/stage show reveal that they have a really big/important person in the back who is going to come out as the main event. The host doesn't tell the fans who the person is though. Throughout the whole show, the fans get excited and wonder who it is. Is it Beyonce? Is it JZ? Is it Chris Brown or Drake? Justin Timberlake maybe?
Then, we get to the main event and the secret person is...
Some random person that nobody knows or cares about (let's call him Bob Jackson).
Why should this person have been hidden? Why is this person even the main event? Nobody cares about this person! Do you think this reveal would generate excitement in the fans?
No! It wouldn't! Instead, the fans would get pissed off, start booing and leave the concert hall!
It is the same concept with the master of masters. What is the point of actively hiding this big important figure from us, only to reveal that his identity is some random Bob Jackson guy? Who is even going to care when that person gets revealed? He might as well just leave the hood on!
3. You are fixating way too much on Ray Chase. You have mentioned in several videos about how you don't like the idea of Sora being the master because you like Ray Chase's voice acting. However, that makes no sense. You do realize that even if Sora turns out to be the master, Ray Chase can still voice him right? If Sora is the master, then it is most likely an older Sora (not the teenage Sora that we have now), so his voice could have changed/deepened (to Ray Chase's voice).
Why did dude play his ending thoughts on repeat? Heard it twice and thought I had smoked too much. Went back and checked, yup, ending thoughts on repeat.
Oh yes; Sora does have a connection with the Master Of Masters, just not the way you think.
Here is my own theory sora is and is not the master what i mean is sora is the master of masters heart.
I really hope he’s an original character. Him being Sora would be a terrible idea.
Honestly I’d rather the MoM be Sora’s father.
But that’s as far as I’m willing to go.