Whatever FormFutura is selling, it's not ASA. They might not have wanted to send filament to you because you exposed that their ASA is extremely impure and doesn't behave like ASA. Really appreciate these tests.
@@ScytheNoire I really enjoyed printing FormFutura for my Voron parts. Whenever I had warping issues, this was my solution. Interesting to see that the mixture also has its downsides. Pretty logical, but I would have never expected such a big difference. However, for my Voron it's working absolutely fine with no issues
They advertise it as a modified ASA with less warping. Changing material properties always has side effects but that doesn't make the stuff bad. And ASA is already a compound, so even Filament made only from A,S and A can be different to each other
@@MyTechFun In my opinion, no need to test Overture. It's identical to Polymaker. Import records (public info) show they come from the same factory in Suzhou, and I've run them side by side. The orange and purple for both is identical in color as are the spools. There are some who believe Overture is a sub-brand owned by Polymaker. I just know they have some filament coming from the same factory. There are other brands that also do the same. Flashforge makes for Voxel. Kexcelled owns / makes Hatchbox, which is their US brand (it's on their website, too). Kexcelled also produce a number of filaments for QIDI and others.
Thank you very much for this very good test! I prefer ASA over ABS, even though it is more expensive. Your test gives me a well documented guide line which filament to buy.
Massively time consuming test, well done. I use ASA for less stressed car parts, though i hate the smell, even if I have the printer in the garage. Maybe you should buy a serious air cleaner with so much printing indoors, for the sake of the family:)
@@ixe87 I use prusa PCCF for most parts since its not affect by moisture, is stiff and doesnt creep like nylon, can handle 130C . Also added add North PC Which should handle 185C, but havent done any car parts with it yet, but i have plans :)
@@garagecedric polycarbonate absorbs less moisture, but still its properties vary with moisture as PA does, a better alternative to PAs are PPAs( polyphtalamides or semiaromatic polyamides, but yes, they're also more expensive). polysulfone has a glass transition of 185C, yes it's more expensive than PC, but CF is an abrasive material that may reduce the life of the nozzle.the best in my opinion,although not feasiblefor economic reason would be polyertherimide (PEI), with a glass transition of 210-215C.glass transition ( temperature where the polymer starts to soften) it's not the only parameter influential to creep but plays a lot into it. Just adding a bit of info that's all :)
I def appreciate this one. I rarely use ASA, so when I do need it, I don't really have the time or space to test out a bunch of different brands to find the right one
Great analysis, thanks! I primarily use eSun eASA so I'm happy that it was a solid contender on most metrics. I was planning on trying it for some drone frames, and it looks like a solid choice given its impact performance. I'm impressed with FlashForge's ASA too. Not great on impact performance, but it's very stiff and has very little creep, so it would be a good choice for structural parts in a 3D printer.
I am so thoroughly impressed by your testing. Just an amazing amount of effort. Thank you so much. I will be returning to watch other videos just to see the tests!
This video came in the perfect time. I've been doing a lot of research on what filament to use inside a car for paneling. I've been leaning towards ASA and your comparisons are exactly what I need.
I have worked in a plastics plant and all the interior panels we made were PolyPropylene. There were 2 grades and the tougher was translucent and the lesser was opaque when we purged the natural material. The stuff for under the car was a conditioner added abs and normally a regrind of any scrapped PP parts.
Regarding the exhaust fan. Using a 4" diameter dryer vent hose alone was not enough to vent the printer which is a Bambu Lab P1S. I used a 120mm 12v computer fan which I had on hand at the end of the hose at the window end and that sufficed to vent the printer with no odor in the room. Thanks for all your work, I have found it incredibly useful.
This is very useful information and I really like how well everything is laid out and documented. I will definitely pick up some 3DO filament and try it out. I've been printing with ELEGOO ASA quite a bit, which has had no warping, but haven't really done a head-to-head comparison with other ASA filaments.
Thanks for the video! To filter the vapours from the filament, I installed the Bentobox system (with 2 radial fan mod), which circulates the air and filters it through HEPA and activated carbon. Advantage: The air temperature remains constant, no cold air is drawn in. However, for the system to work properly, the enclosure must be reasonably airtight.
Thank you! ASA has gotten cheaper where I live and is now a viable filament for everyday applications. Your video is exactly what I needed! Liked & subscribed. Thank you!
Thank you so much for making this video, I print most ASA and ASA+CF, your video helped me clear some questions I had. You didn't test the main brand I use, but if I go by the average, that helps. Thank you so much
I just recently started printing ASA on rare occasions. The spool of Elegoo I've been using has been printing well so far. These results will definitely influence my next ASA purchases.
This is a great video. These filament brand comparison is really good. Really interested in carbon fibers brand comparisons. Also would be great to see a density metric to see kilo for kilo comparison. Having gradual increase with wall and infill comparison would be cool too unless material is just linear. I'm new to 3d printing so not sure. Thanks!
This is great testing! I was looking for the best filament to last outside in the heat, ASA was obvious, but this helped me picked which brand to use. Can't get 3DO in the US, so I will be trying FlashForge.
Great Video! Thank you! ASA is a great material. I only print it if I really need it, for example for internal parts for my Prusa XL 5T with enclosure. I only have a spool from AzureFilm, the normal black ASA (not Prime). Its OK, but it warps more than your tested AzureFilm ASA Prime. I wish I could send you some printed samples of my ASA, so you can test it an add the values to your database. Could you share your STLs and print values? But it would not be representative, because of different printer etc. Maybe i should send you some Meters from my ASA ^^
Test objects are here: www.printables.com/model/465670-mytechfun-test-objects and almost every test object is printed with max number of walls. The vertical (for layer adhesion) is missing there, I will add it when I finish replying to comments..
Igor you have made my week! Your ASA testing confirmed my own experience. Your test discipline meets my expectations for quality of objective analysis results and your array of test parameters / results is quite impressive. As you conclude, the ultimate selection should be for the performance characteristics that are most important, and in this regard, we have made the same brand conclusion (I have observed about half of the products you tested, plus PA CF filament - disappointing). Nicely done sir... I will share your work with others. Rgrds
Thank you for this testing Igor. I think the big barrier for large prints is the warping/shrinkage with ASA. I have only used Polymaker ASA at this point and can relate that it definitely warps. Would you be interested in doing a spinoff video on printing the Azurefilm and Formfutura with larger prints (maybe p1p bed size) for a true anti warping champion. Also, could add something to increase adhesion on some of the others that had low warping but other good performance metrics. Thanks again!
This is awesome! I have been looking to get into asa, but all these filaments are quite expensive near where I live. Because of this, I didn't want to lose money on a bad spool
Also couldnt find any Hips filament on your channel😅 Wondering if you have any plans to check it out on your channel since it is supposed to be an underrated material!
I have a similar exhaust setup for my X1C. I have the TerraBloom ECMF-100 setup as my inline fan. It is designed so you could hook up a Arduino or similar to control the fan speed.
Excellent video mate, thanks for sharing! I have been using Apollo-X quite a lot but will be switching to 3DO. Serves them right for not sponsoring you 😂
@@MyTechFun I definitely understand! Would be nice if the brands would send it. I hope your channel does well. I understand the pain of low views despite high effort. Just remember that all of your videos are evergreen and can do better and better over time. 😁
For the next test you should use the same color for all filaments or test natural filament as the color pigments affect the properties of the filament. But still a nice and valuable test! Thank you.
I print almost exclusively with ASA. The Polymaker prints wonderfully for me. Flashforge was somewhat problematic as details were not as crisp. Looking forward to try some 3DO
Thanks for the indepth testing, I would suggest that next time you use the same color for all brands as the pigment has quite some impact on the material properties
Oh I print quite a bit ASA. A recent experience was with elegoo (can't resist to try 22USD\2kg). They print okay but warps in my K1's 45 degree C chamber... Wouldn't mind printing a lot of ABS ad well, especially when I don't need UV resistance. I print those in my garage and have a blower fan ventilate the place afterwards so the odor doesn't really bother me.
You know, another good test for ASA in the future might be rapid sun weathering - exposing it to UVA and some UVB frequencies (using UV lamps) for a bit then testing surface hardness and strength. After all, ASA is supposedly formulated to resist that kind of light damage, and a primary driver to select it over ABS for outdoor applications. Cheers!
I use only the chamber fan and only at 40% just to create slight negative pressure rather than actually trying to suck too much air out (it needs to get in somewhere to replace it). With a Bentobox as well, I get no smell at all in my small office space.
I use 3DO ASA for most things. Prints perfect on a K1 with MS FlowTech hotend. NO warping if you keep chamber at 55-60C, just throw a blanket over and block venting if needed. I limit to 20mm3/s, 150mm/s at 245C and it always works . . . Your experience may differ
Did you use glue on the buildplate? I didn’t get this directly from your video. Also on the fan part. I have a similar issue. So I’m going the way of Thomas Salander (Made with Layers) and I’m going to put a Ikea Fornuftig in place to actively filter out VoC’s. And a good reminder, after watching many video’s to the end and liking them. I finally reminded myself to click your patreon link. Time to join the MTF patreon family :) 😊
@@MyTechFun Ive had the besr results with ASA on smooth PEI plates. I hated the tetured gold Bambu plate. Id wager I could print all these in the warp test without failing
Hi, I’ve just noticed that Bambu has a fillament I can’t find any reviews for (myst be new): PPA-CF. They also say it’s easy to print. And that it has “metal like strength”, high precision, great humidity resistance and high temp resistance. But no videos on youtube. It’s 100+ Euros for 0.75kg. It would be very interesting to see all your different kinds of tests on it (strength, layer adhesion etc.). Including heat set inserts tests. Would they maybe send you one? 😁
Did you already do a comparison between 'pure' and recycled filaments? I saw you tested formfutura and they offer a large range of recycled materials. So a test Apollox vs. rApollo and epla vs rpla etc. would be interesting. And does not only go for formfutura. There are also other brands with a recycled portfolio
For my application (drone frames) the eSun ASA would be the best. However it's only available in black? Bummer. Extrudr ASA would have also been nice. That's what I am using right now. Anyways. Thanks for this video!
Double check this info. X1C intakes, P1S exhausts out of that vent. At least, logicalplanet states that their venting designs won't work with X1C because flow is reversed... I only have a P1S and the exhaust blow air out of that vent.
Great video. Please can I asking you considered Fillamentum? They have a great range of ASA colours and I find them very strong but a little fiddly to print sometimes. Anyhow, many thanks for your efforts.
10:26 You are pointing out that you have AC to keep the temperature constant, but that is not my concern since I have been using ASA the last few years. It is the airflow that will warp it immediately. I don't print with an enclosure, but I make sure all my fans are off, my window is closed and I do not walk up to the printer too fast or close the door to the room. Any of that will warp it instantly. I'm afraid that with an AC unit creating airflow right next to it will throw off the results greatly.
I think you have to watch the video again. There the point was not to have perfect conditions, but perfect constant warping conditions, to see some difference between the filaments. And it worked really good, we can see big difference between them. In perfect conditions, all of them was printed fine (test objects on X1C).
@@MyTechFun Ah, ok. Must have been the phrasing or accent. I wasn't following what was being said I just saw the AC unit and went "That is 100% warping conditions" and then heard "The temperature will be very stable" and thought "that has little to do with warping". I didn't realize the point was to induce warping.
Can you check into why the ApolloX performed so poorly in the creep test and the impact test? With that kind of creep performance, it would be rather useless for outdoor purposes.
According to other comments, this is highly modified ASA. The printability is great, but they sacrifice some other mechanical properties. But I don't have details what are the main components (beside ASA).
I don't know how you would want to include it, but it would be good to know which brands have helped you out with filament. Obviously test results are the most important thing, but given multiple filaments that work for my application I would be inclined to buy the one that's supported you.
It's mentioned in the video somewhere. From 10 filaments 3 I bought myself: Qidi, FormFutura and Sunlu. Other are sent by companies for their separate review video (which already exists for all those filaments)
i am very curious about atomic branded filament if you are able to source their filament. they command a premium price, and i have had very good experience printing with their filament, but i dont really know if it's justified.
Hey, Shouldn't the colour be also the same for good test results? First black absorbs much more sunlight. Therefore there is a big difference between black and white asa outside. Afaik the color from the master batch has great influence on the mechanic performance.
Why change the test sample dimensions? Also, your bending measurements don't line up with your prior test values. For example, in this test you had Flashforge mush stiffer then 3DO, whereas your prior test has 3DO being stiffer then the Flashforge (3DO = 1.31mm, Flashforge = 1.43mm)
In this video, they are printed with same printer and settings. Separatly they were printed on different printers and settings. That's why this kind of comparison is better.
@@MyTechFunDue to the current hype of the ppa-cf I think you should prioritize that video. It will probably get more views than average since there aren't any independent test done yet
Your work is absolutely invaluable. Thank you. One suggestion if I may: Can you print a complex feature that would test the performance of these filaments? I'm talking overhangs, bridging, dimensional accuracy, print speed (very important) and warping, just to name a few.
Explained in the video. This is a comparison between these 10 filaments only. For brittle filaments, the angle would be sometimes too small, hardly measurable. I wasn't sure, what will be their impact resistance. For example with PLA I got only 4-5° difference from zero position (with 4mm).
You should definitely print more than one part per filament, per test. I would suggest do 3-5 of each. Try to keep filament in same color. Good work though!
Eh, when the YT algorithm will start to appreciate my videos, and I don't have to make them only for my curiosity, 3-5 test objects, here we go ;-) When I am writing some scientific article, I go with more test objects, but I am not doing it for myself only.
@@MyTechFun Appreciate the tests. The reason I keep buying DuraPro ASA is because it was the only officially UL94 HB 1,5 mm antiflammabilty rated filament I knew. Turns out of the 10 ASA filaments you tested the 3DO ASA is also UL94 HB 1,5 mm rated. Thanks for making me aware of this alternative I could use. I wish there was an UL94 V-0 rated filament. Currently I have to choose ABS for that, which has less UV resistance. I don't think there is any technical reason why they couldn't make ASA with that rating.
Thanks for including warping test. It's a huge decision factor for all the people that don't have an enclosed printer!
Whatever FormFutura is selling, it's not ASA. They might not have wanted to send filament to you because you exposed that their ASA is extremely impure and doesn't behave like ASA.
Really appreciate these tests.
gotta be a petg mix like an abs +
@@ScytheNoire I really enjoyed printing FormFutura for my Voron parts. Whenever I had warping issues, this was my solution. Interesting to see that the mixture also has its downsides. Pretty logical, but I would have never expected such a big difference. However, for my Voron it's working absolutely fine with no issues
They advertise it as a modified ASA with less warping. Changing material properties always has side effects but that doesn't make the stuff bad. And ASA is already a compound, so even Filament made only from A,S and A can be different to each other
Thanks, Igor. I print a lot of ASA, and this is really helpful! Mostly QIDI and Polymaker / Overture, so it was good to see the differences.
Overture was too expensive to ship from US to EU (I bought Overture PETG, I couldn't find it in Europe)
@@MyTechFun In my opinion, no need to test Overture. It's identical to Polymaker. Import records (public info) show they come from the same factory in Suzhou, and I've run them side by side. The orange and purple for both is identical in color as are the spools. There are some who believe Overture is a sub-brand owned by Polymaker. I just know they have some filament coming from the same factory. There are other brands that also do the same. Flashforge makes for Voxel. Kexcelled owns / makes Hatchbox, which is their US brand (it's on their website, too). Kexcelled also produce a number of filaments for QIDI and others.
@@MyTechFun Overture and Polymaker are the same filaments, Overture is a sub-brand of Polymaker.
Thank you very much for this very good test!
I prefer ASA over ABS, even though it is more expensive. Your test gives me a well documented guide line which filament to buy.
Massively time consuming test, well done. I use ASA for less stressed car parts, though i hate the smell, even if I have the printer in the garage. Maybe you should buy a serious air cleaner with so much printing indoors, for the sake of the family:)
Thank you, I am glad that you find the video useful!
What material do you prefer for more stressed car parts?
@@ixe87 I use prusa PCCF for most parts since its not affect by moisture, is stiff and doesnt creep like nylon, can handle 130C . Also added add North PC Which should handle 185C, but havent done any car parts with it yet, but i have plans :)
@@ixe87 depend of the stress type. Against bending pc-cf. But I like ASA too.
@@garagecedric polycarbonate absorbs less moisture, but still its properties vary with moisture as PA does, a better alternative to PAs are PPAs( polyphtalamides or semiaromatic polyamides, but yes, they're also more expensive). polysulfone has a glass transition of 185C, yes it's more expensive than PC, but CF is an abrasive material that may reduce the life of the nozzle.the best in my opinion,although not feasiblefor economic reason would be polyertherimide (PEI), with a glass transition of 210-215C.glass transition ( temperature where the polymer starts to soften) it's not the only parameter influential to creep but plays a lot into it. Just adding a bit of info that's all :)
Excellent test. Videos like these are incredibly valuable to the 3D printing community. Thanks!
Thanks for such a comprehensive test 👍
Thank you, and more similar comming soon (10 transparend petg, 8 black ABS..)
Your time and effort that you put into these vids is very much appreciated
I def appreciate this one. I rarely use ASA, so when I do need it, I don't really have the time or space to test out a bunch of different brands to find the right one
Great analysis, thanks! I primarily use eSun eASA so I'm happy that it was a solid contender on most metrics. I was planning on trying it for some drone frames, and it looks like a solid choice given its impact performance.
I'm impressed with FlashForge's ASA too. Not great on impact performance, but it's very stiff and has very little creep, so it would be a good choice for structural parts in a 3D printer.
I am so thoroughly impressed by your testing. Just an amazing amount of effort. Thank you so much. I will be returning to watch other videos just to see the tests!
This video came in the perfect time. I've been doing a lot of research on what filament to use inside a car for paneling. I've been leaning towards ASA and your comparisons are exactly what I need.
have you looked into protopasta's HTPLA and CFHTPLA?
I have worked in a plastics plant and all the interior panels we made were PolyPropylene. There were 2 grades and the tougher was translucent and the lesser was opaque when we purged the natural material. The stuff for under the car was a conditioner added abs and normally a regrind of any scrapped PP parts.
@@rallyfeindlol "PP parts"
@@ThisisDD phrasing! Haha
Regarding the exhaust fan. Using a 4" diameter dryer vent hose alone was not enough to vent the printer which is a Bambu Lab P1S. I used a 120mm 12v computer fan which I had on hand at the end of the hose at the window end and that sufficed to vent the printer with no odor in the room. Thanks for all your work, I have found it incredibly useful.
What diameter of tube did you use?
Thanks :)
Thank you for the support!
this is an outstanding video and work, thank you! this was extremely insightful and helpful for my work!
This is very useful information and I really like how well everything is laid out and documented. I will definitely pick up some 3DO filament and try it out.
I've been printing with ELEGOO ASA quite a bit, which has had no warping, but haven't really done a head-to-head comparison with other ASA filaments.
Exactly the topic I needed! I print a lot in ASA and this video was very helpful. Thanks!
Thanks for the video! To filter the vapours from the filament, I installed the Bentobox system (with 2 radial fan mod), which circulates the air and filters it through HEPA and activated carbon. Advantage: The air temperature remains constant, no cold air is drawn in. However, for the system to work properly, the enclosure must be reasonably airtight.
Thank you!
ASA has gotten cheaper where I live and is now a viable filament for everyday applications. Your video is exactly what I needed!
Liked & subscribed.
Thank you!
You have one of the most important content for me.thank you for the great work 👍🏻
Thanks for the great video!
Glad you liked it! Thank you for the support!
Thank you so much for making this video, I print most ASA and ASA+CF, your video helped me clear some questions I had.
You didn't test the main brand I use, but if I go by the average, that helps.
Thank you so much
I just found your channel, subscribed, and I wanted to say I really like the format your present the test and information. Well done!
Hurray! Been waiting for this video for a long time. Köszönjük, Igor😍
Thanks, Igor. A very useful video! I am slowly emptying my ABS stash and moving over to ASA, mostly 3DO, so I am very pleased with the results, too.
I just recently started printing ASA on rare occasions. The spool of Elegoo I've been using has been printing well so far. These results will definitely influence my next ASA purchases.
Great video and I really like that you go through it a bit faster with the results on screen.
One of the best channels on AM, and nice balcony 👍
I'm a big polymaker fan, so I am currently watching the video looking forward to learn about it's properties compared to other brands :)
Tack!
Thank you!
As always, THE BEST videos !!!! Thanks for sharing those results and thank you for doing this type of comparisons.
one of the best classic MTF vids!
i don't print ASA but always wanted to know how the brands compare
curious now about woodfill filaments
Danke!
Bite :-)
Thanks!
Thank you for your support!
Hahaha, your graph for the subscription got me 😂 had to stop the video to make sure I was subscribed and I already was. Good work
This is a great video. These filament brand comparison is really good. Really interested in carbon fibers brand comparisons. Also would be great to see a density metric to see kilo for kilo comparison. Having gradual increase with wall and infill comparison would be cool too unless material is just linear. I'm new to 3d printing so not sure. Thanks!
This is great testing! I was looking for the best filament to last outside in the heat, ASA was obvious, but this helped me picked which brand to use. Can't get 3DO in the US, so I will be trying FlashForge.
Glad it helped! I think they have a reseller in US. Try to ask 3DO about it. (you can mention the video too ;-) )
Bedankt
I am glad that you find the video useful. Thank you for the support!
Great vide0, one the best ones you've ever done, congratulations 😊
Lovely video. I print a lot of ASA, almost exclusively pokymaker, 3DO and West3d. All are
Excellent.
why asa and not others ? there are better and easier to print filaments in my opinion
This was great! I may have to switch brands now but well worth it. & yes... my bell is on :)
Just a comment to help with the algorithm. Thanks for the video. Great selection of brands!!!
Thanks for that!
Thank you for this video, as always very informative video
Great Video! Thank you!
ASA is a great material. I only print it if I really need it, for example for internal parts for my Prusa XL 5T with enclosure. I only have a spool from AzureFilm, the normal black ASA (not Prime). Its OK, but it warps more than your tested AzureFilm ASA Prime. I wish I could send you some printed samples of my ASA, so you can test it an add the values to your database. Could you share your STLs and print values? But it would not be representative, because of different printer etc. Maybe i should send you some Meters from my ASA ^^
Test objects are here: www.printables.com/model/465670-mytechfun-test-objects and almost every test object is printed with max number of walls. The vertical (for layer adhesion) is missing there, I will add it when I finish replying to comments..
Your thorough testing and greatly appreciated. I'm fascinated to see the results of your color testing, that was a solid observation.
Igor you have made my week! Your ASA testing confirmed my own experience. Your test discipline meets my expectations for quality of objective analysis results and your array of test parameters / results is quite impressive. As you conclude, the ultimate selection should be for the performance characteristics that are most important, and in this regard, we have made the same brand conclusion (I have observed about half of the products you tested, plus PA CF filament - disappointing).
Nicely done sir... I will share your work with others. Rgrds
Thank you for this great comparison!
Thank you for this testing Igor. I think the big barrier for large prints is the warping/shrinkage with ASA. I have only used Polymaker ASA at this point and can relate that it definitely warps.
Would you be interested in doing a spinoff video on printing the Azurefilm and Formfutura with larger prints (maybe p1p bed size) for a true anti warping champion. Also, could add something to increase adhesion on some of the others that had low warping but other good performance metrics. Thanks again!
Polymaker ASA I think is a good brand/product, but in my case, warping and shrinkage did not have a happy end in my case. I still have to tweak stuff
This is awesome! I have been looking to get into asa, but all these filaments are quite expensive near where I live. Because of this, I didn't want to lose money on a bad spool
Also couldnt find any Hips filament on your channel😅 Wondering if you have any plans to check it out on your channel since it is supposed to be an underrated material!
@@harkrits.nagpal6505 yeah that would be nice!
I have a similar exhaust setup for my X1C. I have the TerraBloom ECMF-100 setup as my inline fan. It is designed so you could hook up a Arduino or similar to control the fan speed.
Devil Design ASA would be nice to be included someday. Awsome tests once again. Thank you!
Excellent video mate, thanks for sharing! I have been using Apollo-X quite a lot but will be switching to 3DO.
Serves them right for not sponsoring you 😂
Thanks for your thorough research!
Nice! Hope to see this with all the PC Blends that are available too
If possible it would be great to see a round two with white filament from every brand. Hope the channel does well!
Eh, I should then re-buy all those filaments. My budget don't allows me this and I am not so curious about it currently to invest.
@@MyTechFun I definitely understand! Would be nice if the brands would send it. I hope your channel does well. I understand the pain of low views despite high effort. Just remember that all of your videos are evergreen and can do better and better over time. 😁
Liked and subbed. Thanks for these videos!
Awesome, thank you!
Great video! Very beneficial and answered all my questions!
Exceptional work!
Thank you for your service!
For the next test you should use the same color for all filaments or test natural filament as the color pigments affect the properties of the filament.
But still a nice and valuable test!
Thank you.
I print almost exclusively with ASA.
The Polymaker prints wonderfully for me.
Flashforge was somewhat problematic as details were not as crisp. Looking forward to try some 3DO
Thanks for the indepth testing, I would suggest that next time you use the same color for all brands as the pigment has quite some impact on the material properties
Oh I print quite a bit ASA. A recent experience was with elegoo (can't resist to try 22USD\2kg). They print okay but warps in my K1's 45 degree C chamber...
Wouldn't mind printing a lot of ABS ad well, especially when I don't need UV resistance.
I print those in my garage and have a blower fan ventilate the place afterwards so the odor doesn't really bother me.
Thank you very much sir for this awesome video !
Thank you.
You know, another good test for ASA in the future might be rapid sun weathering - exposing it to UVA and some UVB frequencies (using UV lamps) for a bit then testing surface hardness and strength. After all, ASA is supposedly formulated to resist that kind of light damage, and a primary driver to select it over ABS for outdoor applications. Cheers!
I use only the chamber fan and only at 40% just to create slight negative pressure rather than actually trying to suck too much air out (it needs to get in somewhere to replace it).
With a Bentobox as well, I get no smell at all in my small office space.
I use 3DO ASA for most things. Prints perfect on a K1 with MS FlowTech hotend.
NO warping if you keep chamber at 55-60C, just throw a blanket over and block venting if needed.
I limit to 20mm3/s, 150mm/s at 245C and it always works . . .
Your experience may differ
Did you use glue on the buildplate? I didn’t get this directly from your video.
Also on the fan part. I have a similar issue. So I’m going the way of Thomas Salander (Made with Layers) and I’m going to put a Ikea Fornuftig in place to actively filter out VoC’s.
And a good reminder, after watching many video’s to the end and liking them. I finally reminded myself to click your patreon link. Time to join the MTF patreon family :) 😊
Engineering plate + glue stick (for warping test on P1P: textured PEI, no adhesive). Thank you for the support!
@@MyTechFun Ive had the besr results with ASA on smooth PEI plates. I hated the tetured gold Bambu plate. Id wager I could print all these in the warp test without failing
I also had to install an inline fan - mine goes to a large carbon canister rather than outside.
love your videos!!!!!! keep it up plz
Hi,
I’ve just noticed that Bambu has a fillament I can’t find any reviews for (myst be new): PPA-CF. They also say it’s easy to print. And that it has “metal like strength”, high precision, great humidity resistance and high temp resistance. But no videos on youtube. It’s 100+ Euros for 0.75kg. It would be very interesting to see all your different kinds of tests on it (strength, layer adhesion etc.). Including heat set inserts tests. Would they maybe send you one? 😁
I just got a spool of PPA-CF. Video comming after Bambu PC and PA6 filaments.
Did you already do a comparison between 'pure' and recycled filaments?
I saw you tested formfutura and they offer a large range of recycled materials.
So a test Apollox vs. rApollo and epla vs rpla etc. would be interesting.
And does not only go for formfutura. There are also other brands with a recycled portfolio
For my application (drone frames) the eSun ASA would be the best.
However it's only available in black? Bummer.
Extrudr ASA would have also been nice. That's what I am using right now.
Anyways. Thanks for this video!
Double check this info. X1C intakes, P1S exhausts out of that vent. At least, logicalplanet states that their venting designs won't work with X1C because flow is reversed... I only have a P1S and the exhaust blow air out of that vent.
35 degrees peak in summer is not good enough to test 😁 in my country it can reach 55 degrees and more , btw great video
Wow, where do you live? My budget is not enough to travel to so hot places for testing purposes :-)
@@MyTechFun In Kuwait Middle East 🫣, the PLA melted inside the car 😂
Maybe I will test some filaments under the sun
Great video. Please can I asking you considered Fillamentum? They have a great range of ASA colours and I find them very strong but a little fiddly to print sometimes. Anyhow, many thanks for your efforts.
video idea: ASA welding with acetone / friction welding bonding tests
Interesting ideas. Thx.
Very interesting, thank you for that. Do you have uv numbers for test days?
Thank you. No I don't have UV numbers, basically, those 4 days were the last summer days here in Budapest.
Hi, thanks for your work !! What is the best and the poor ? Can we see or obtain the graphic reports?
Excellent.
10:26 You are pointing out that you have AC to keep the temperature constant, but that is not my concern since I have been using ASA the last few years. It is the airflow that will warp it immediately. I don't print with an enclosure, but I make sure all my fans are off, my window is closed and I do not walk up to the printer too fast or close the door to the room. Any of that will warp it instantly. I'm afraid that with an AC unit creating airflow right next to it will throw off the results greatly.
I think you have to watch the video again. There the point was not to have perfect conditions, but perfect constant warping conditions, to see some difference between the filaments. And it worked really good, we can see big difference between them. In perfect conditions, all of them was printed fine (test objects on X1C).
@@MyTechFun Ah, ok. Must have been the phrasing or accent. I wasn't following what was being said I just saw the AC unit and went "That is 100% warping conditions" and then heard "The temperature will be very stable" and thought "that has little to do with warping". I didn't realize the point was to induce warping.
Thanks for this. Great job, but has anyone else seen how expensive 3DO filament is?
Maybe they raise the price after this video ;-) But yes, price could be another point type in the ranking.. maybe next time.
i'd like to see you test Fusion filaments ASA they claim the HDT is much higher than other ASA
“Best” is very subjective, I wish you’d had a “sparkle test” because I love me some sparkly filament! More sparkle = more better! 😂
OK. Correction: Best according to my testings and between tested filaments only ;-)
@@MyTechFun I’ve watched enough of your videos to know that for you the best is the filament that puts up a fight 😆
Can you check into why the ApolloX performed so poorly in the creep test and the impact test? With that kind of creep performance, it would be rather useless for outdoor purposes.
According to other comments, this is highly modified ASA. The printability is great, but they sacrifice some other mechanical properties. But I don't have details what are the main components (beside ASA).
I don't know how you would want to include it, but it would be good to know which brands have helped you out with filament. Obviously test results are the most important thing, but given multiple filaments that work for my application I would be inclined to buy the one that's supported you.
It's mentioned in the video somewhere. From 10 filaments 3 I bought myself: Qidi, FormFutura and Sunlu. Other are sent by companies for their separate review video (which already exists for all those filaments)
Do you have any experience with C-Tech filaments ? I would really like to see how their ASA holds against these other brands.
i like the 3DO Asa, besides your shipping information gets hacked.
Lol
3DO looks to be the best all around
i am very curious about atomic branded filament if you are able to source their filament. they command a premium price, and i have had very good experience printing with their filament, but i dont really know if it's justified.
Hey,
Shouldn't the colour be also the same for good test results?
First black absorbs much more sunlight. Therefore there is a big difference between black and white asa outside.
Afaik the color from the master batch has great influence on the mechanic performance.
Why change the test sample dimensions? Also, your bending measurements don't line up with your prior test values. For example, in this test you had Flashforge mush stiffer then 3DO, whereas your prior test has 3DO being stiffer then the Flashforge (3DO = 1.31mm, Flashforge = 1.43mm)
In this video, they are printed with same printer and settings. Separatly they were printed on different printers and settings. That's why this kind of comparison is better.
please test the new banbuklabs ppa cf :) i would lovve to know the creep results
Its here. Only after BL PC and PA6 (in progress)
@@MyTechFun awesome!!!
@@MyTechFunDue to the current hype of the ppa-cf I think you should prioritize that video. It will probably get more views than average since there aren't any independent test done yet
Just concerns me that i know for a fact that different colors can have different results
Your work is absolutely invaluable. Thank you. One suggestion if I may: Can you print a complex feature that would test the performance of these filaments? I'm talking overhangs, bridging, dimensional accuracy, print speed (very important) and warping, just to name a few.
Did anyone try elegoo ASA? In canada it is I think the chepest asa filament out there.
Why did you screw up the impact test? In earlier videos you used smaller cross section, so the results aren't comparable to other filaments.
Explained in the video. This is a comparison between these 10 filaments only. For brittle filaments, the angle would be sometimes too small, hardly measurable. I wasn't sure, what will be their impact resistance. For example with PLA I got only 4-5° difference from zero position (with 4mm).
Just test the natural, uncolored versions of the filament.
You should definitely print more than one part per filament, per test. I would suggest do 3-5 of each. Try to keep filament in same color. Good work though!
Eh, when the YT algorithm will start to appreciate my videos, and I don't have to make them only for my curiosity, 3-5 test objects, here we go ;-)
When I am writing some scientific article, I go with more test objects, but I am not doing it for myself only.
Extrudr DuraPro ASA missing in action.
Oh, and many others. But 10 is nice round number 🙂
@@MyTechFun Appreciate the tests. The reason I keep buying DuraPro ASA is because it was the only officially UL94 HB 1,5 mm antiflammabilty rated filament I knew.
Turns out of the 10 ASA filaments you tested the 3DO ASA is also UL94 HB 1,5 mm rated. Thanks for making me aware of this alternative I could use.
I wish there was an UL94 V-0 rated filament. Currently I have to choose ABS for that, which has less UV resistance. I don't think there is any technical reason why they couldn't make ASA with that rating.