No, thank you. I'll not gone watch after see that baby killers flag behind you. Don't get me wrong, that's not hate. Just truth. I can't support baby killers or their supporters because of my hearth. -Unsubed.
As a newb to filiment it helps. remember this is for noobs. also people may jump right to a specific filiment for reference, so repeating it as needed is more comprehensive
I love the idea of 3-d printed footwear. Both videos I've seen on youtube went through a single prototype and had mixed results as you'd expect. The design definitely seems to be the hard part. You'll probably want to plan on multiple prints and budget enough printer time so that you're not in a rush to attend a conference/go on vacation/get a video out the door.
Same here, interested in the peba and chinchilla filaments you mentioned. Would love it if a company brought out lightweight foaming versions of these materials.
I use a lot of CPE from fiberlogy, it is food safe, high heat resistance around 110° and easy to print. It's like a soft PC. I love this one. For the PP use PP tape with no heat bed, it's cheap and so efficient. Good video.
PP should be one of the best plastics out there. It´s 80% of all plastics worldwide and thus you could use a lot of recycled stuff. It´s also super cheap.
Thank you for these types of videos. Being new to 3D printing, I love learning about all the different types of filaments and what all they can be used for. You have become one of my favorite TH-camrs for presenting content about 3D printers. Keep it up. Glad you and your family are safe. Best wishes in 2024.
I bought a roll of Prusament PCCF. Had it over a year before I found anything worthwhile using it for. Made a splash guard for my buddy's electric bike. Probably could've used ASA or even CF PLA but he was paying for it and it will be taking impacts from rocks etc when off roading. I figured I should test out and see if my Bambu P1S could handle it *easily* after changing to hardened parts. To my surprise, I tweaked a couple PC settings on the generic PC profile and it printed like a DREAM.
PCCF and ezPCCF also do very very well when used for 3D printer toolheads. High rigidity and low weight gives some great input shaping graphs. Not to mention the added benefit of basically never being able to melt your toolhead+ducts
I used White (titanium oxide powder) PC for the parts cooler and BL touch probe mount/protector. Printed at 6mm³/s, it's strong enough to smash into parts and stopping the stepper motors on failed prints and forgetting about a print sitting on the print bed when homing 😅 enclosed @60C for about 2 years with no signs of warping. Although I'm certain if I remove it and check there will be some warping, possibly caused by annealing. I use PC Glass Fiber for other projects which makes it surprisingly impact resistant while stiffening it up. Not as much as Carbon Fiber, but halfway there
Hey ✌️ I'd love to see an airless Basketball (Wilson Gen 1) made of PEBA, but it's really expensive 😬 Can you make that happen and test its bounciness? 😁
This is one of the the better unique filament compilations. I would love to find a filament that is like rubber in terms of being naturally grippy. TPU just isn’t naturally grippy, and there are so many applications for the extra grip. Tires, shoe soles, drive belts, clips.
Hey I've been in a 3D printing rabbit hole with your stuff. Not sure if it was a recent video or not where you had to leave your home but super happy to see it looks like you're back home safe and sound
It's been awesome watching your channel grow and evolve. I am glad you and your family are safe. I look forward to seeing this channel pick up even more speed in 2024. Cheers and keep up the hard work!
I print with PP on a fairly regular basis. The lab I work for often prints prototypes for the local hospital and PP is a go to for us because of everything you mentioned. I find it is easier to print with than TPU as long as you can solve the bed adhesion issue. We simply wrapped a glass bed with packing tape as PP will easily stick to itself. My favorite filament we have produced at my lab, though, is a LDPE composite with a density of 0.64 g/cm3. Crazy light weight with amazing impact resistance.
I have printed with Prusament PVB and it prints great with no discernible smell. I also have a Polysher for smoothing it with IPA vapor. The Polysher works pretty well but has issues getting to all the surfaces leaving some areas with layer lines. I also found the vase mode PVB prints take almost a week to dry out and become as firm as they were after printing.
I noticed this as well, it stays soft for a long time. If you heat to 30-40c it will dry faster but may warp. Drying after a day or so of ambient will reduce warping/shrinkage from the active drying
Super interesting, probably won't be using most of these anytime soon. Been watching since your first video about gridfinity, and this is the first minor criticism I've ever had, and the simply how repetitive asking the audience about their use of each filament individually instead of just asking for input all at once at the end, or maybe once before ad and once at end. Keep up great work, stay safe, and will continue to comeback to see what you do next.
Not sure if you've covered this or not -- in your video, you recommend hardened steel nozzles several times. Printing with CF-PLA, I could detect signs of nozzle wear (bottom surface flattening, bore widening) in under one 1kg spool of filament. The first mm of wear happened FAST (thinnest part of the material) and then it was slow, steady wear -- I could track it in my stadily drifting Z offset. I switched to a cheap Ruby nozzle on Amazon from MOD3DP as a test (not sponsored) and it legit has not lost 0.1mm of its tip. Pros, lasts longer than a hardened steel nozzle. Cons, slightly worse stringing. I'd be curious to hear your experience.
*UPDATE* Received a roll of PC-CF in the mail yesterday and my god am I in love with this stuff! Prints easy on my P1Ss, amazing mechanical properties, and that finish looks absolutely beautiful. Did a Benchy to torture test with a hammer and torch compared to a PETG and PLA one, and doing some motorcycle helmet comms mounts out of it right now and they look top notch
@@thenextlayer Hey dude. Same here. I hope you and your family are safe. I don't care about governments, or getting swept up in other people's causes. But I do care about regular folks just trying to live life. Take care!
What an amazing video, so slick and informative! Genuinely one of the best videos I’ve seen on TH-cam full stop. Great work, appreciate it! Also going to try CPE seems a no brainer.
Great video, another great entry in your series. FYI it’s my understanding PP is food safe as well. Idea for another entry this series is a similar type of rundown of “all” the food safe / contact safe filaments, compare and contrast, and more specifics about what is needed to make each “food safe” material create actually food safe objects. Again great work, keep it up. Congrats
Yes I use PC-CF and Nylon-CF filament for making horse shoes which we glue onto the hoof of the horse, we do a 3d scan of each horses hoof, so we can tailor the shoe for the horse, due to this method we the horses hooves are healthier making the horse healthier, we can also leave the shoes on longer.
During Covid19 I used PP-filament to print ear savers for face masks. I used some PP - packing tape (transparent) on the heatbed to avoid warping and was able to print without heating the bed.
This was really interesting, I hadn’t heard of a few of these of these filaments like PEBA and Chinchilla, I think you should try PEEK if you haven’t already, it is one of the strongest materials out there, however it is difficult to print and quite pricey at around $600-$700 USD a Kg. PEKK lacks some of the properties of PEEK but is significant easier to print being around as difficult as PETG, it is at the higher end of the price range before at around $700 USD a Kg. Excellent video and very informative👍.
This channel isn't vision miner lol but, seriously the price for a machine to properly print peek is ridiculous, not to mention the price of the filament itself. You can build a capable machine but, that's outside most peoples wheelhouse and there are not a lot of use cases where it even makes sense in an industrial setting certainly not for a hobbyist.
Yeah I agree with the impractical nature of Getting the right machine to print PEEK and the price of the filament itself is insane but if he could justify it done the line it would make an interesting video, but this is highly unlikely.
17:04 for a good clear rigid material, amphora 3300 is phenomenal. It's a co-polyester that maintains really good rigidity, while printing absolutely transparent components. It's a little pricey, but it actually was a ground breaking filament when it initially was released
As always, great video. I might actually use some of those in the future. Can't wait for the shoe video (I kind of wanted to make some myself from my very first flexible print). You are getting a little better at saying the names of molecules 😂
One point maybe worth calling out for flexibles is what filaments they can bond to if any, like PLA and TPU, as that creates lots of options of combining rigidity and flexibility as required eg as is used for tpu hinges in pla prints.
I've had good success printing PETG on top of NinjaFlex for soft vice jaws. No dovetailing needed, I just swapped from NinjaFlex to PETG on a layer change. My application was also helped by my profiles for PETG and NinjaFlex having the same printing temperature.
Nice video! Just thinking of getting a bamboo labs printer and wanted to see about the filaments and any trouble I might encounter. You video was quite informative thank you.
Good video, though I think the constant asking for comments is a little annoying. I get that you want engagement but I think asking after literally every filament is a bit much
I use PVB specifically for it's low residue after ignition. This means that I don't use PVB filaments with colorants, as those increase residue. The fact that it can be vapor smoothed with not only isopropyl alcohol, but also ethyl alcohol, it can be smoothed much more safely and this lends to fewer layer lines in final parts which is necessary for my uses.
14:54 the chinchilla looks like a great material for a pad for our diaper bag. It’s just a mech fabric right now so on one shoulder it slips a lot. This could help with that.
I had problems with PC-CF in high temp environment (93c dental cleaning machine) and a little bit of mechanical stress (a couple 100g), It started to deform. Switched back to PC and it was good. Prusament PC blend and Prusament PC-CF blend. 100% infill.
I've had several printer/toolhead parts from PA-CF and had to reprint them using PC-CF because PA-CF parts becomes by time (about a year) too flexible (almost like a rubber). Although all the parts could be printed from ABS/ASA, the PC-CF remains to me as the only high temperature resistant material which can be easily printed on open printer (basically no warping and still good layer adhesion, at least the Prusa flavour of PC-CF). PC-CF (still talking about Prusa flavour, I've never tried any other PC-CF vendor) is hydroscopic, yet printing from filament dryer is not mandatory (it is slightly higher hydroscopic than e.g. PETG, so no torture like Nylon or so). BTW. Most of the PC-CF (about three spools or so) were printed using nickel plated copper nozzle :-). The nozzle is still fine. But on my second printer, with Revo hotend, I even didn't tried to print it with brass nozzle (I immediately ordered obxidian nozzle) since brass is really soft in compare with nickel plating.
Prusa PCCF sounds really nice! I've heard that 3DXTech PCCF is really hard to print and requires a heated chamber, which makes it impossible for open frame printers. How was your experience with nickel plated nozzles? I never tried them for abrasive filaments. Three spools of CF filament is pretty insane. What brand do you use?
@@leonjiang2882 not prusament pc-cf but I put maybe 2/3 of a spool through a phaetus nickel plated copper nozzle in my rapido and the end of it is very visibly worn down. That nozzle is now great for ironing haha
@@leonjiang2882 Uh, I don't see my answer from yesterday :-/ in short, the nozzle was (actually is, but I switched to the Volcano type nozzle) T-V6 by Trianglelab.
I've used PVB by way of PolySmooth and their Polysher (a box that generates IPA fog rather than trying to mist it by hand). It does what it's supposed to, but always felt like it was better off with some initial processing first to reduce the time it needed to be exposed to the solvent. If I ran it for too long the plastic seemed to become permanently softer, though sometimes over weeks it would regain the initial hardness. It is a nice effect when it works, without having to paint and sand and paint and topcoat... You'll lose hard edges and fine details the more you smooth it, of course. Also used a fair bit of PC-CF, in all three of my printers (Mk4, VCore3, X1C). It's good for "I don't want to care about it getting left out in the sun and deforming or breaking". No idea if I've needed it half the times I've used it, but it's worked every time from parts on the outsides of trucks and RVs to printer toolheads (I've made a few EVA3s out of it). The CF seems to have helped a lot with ameliorating PCs desire to warp in less well heated enclosures. Looking at playing with a new thing called PETG Polyhex from IC3D. They are claiming it has PC-like performance and chemical resistance without the warping and other eccentricities. Supposedly designed with the Army for easy printing and durability in the field.
PEBA is indeed a top tier material for elite running shoes due to its compliance and resilience, usually combined with a carbon plate to stabilise. However in running shoes it is used in a foamed version, I don't think it could be printed with the same properties, and even in the foam form there are huge differences between different versions.
When it comes to the processability of PEBA filament in FDM printing, especially for midsoles of shoes, we have verified it not only experimentally but also in custom shoe production. The verification was conducted in collaboration with the Footwear Design Studios of the University T.Bati, utilizing hollow structures to achieve comparable or better properties than in mass shoe production. While the efficiency for mass production with FDM is limited, it serves its purpose for verification or custom manufacturing. PEBA filament is not exclusively intended for footwear; it makes sense primarily in the technical engineering field. Thanks to its high abrasion resistance, temperature range, and chemical resistance, combined with its elastic behavior, it is truly an exceptional material, and I'm pleased that this excellent video has introduced it to users.
in general PP has an inherent fatigue resistance. PP can take a repeated, vigorous beating, it lasts longer with proper lubrication. PP doesn’t do well with abrasion without lubrication and can sustain damage. make sure that whatever you’re making with PP is sized properly for application.
I’m happy to know you read all of your comments because I have been tirelessly attempting to reach you about your car warranty. You may not be protected in case of a catastrophic engine failure. Don’t worry it’s very affordable and I will just automatically take the money from your account before you even give me your info. 😂. Love your videos!
I thikn it would have been worth mentioning that the adhesion problem with the otherwise excellent PP comes from the fact that it almost exclusively sticks to itself. That's why people typically use regular packaging tape that is often made from PP or buy specific build plates with a PP toping. Those tend to be quite expensive though. Otherwise thanks for another entertaining video!
When i first started printing ive heard of pvb. It was advertised that it prints like pla or petg but als you mentioned it can be smoothed with ipa. So i bought one roll and started going. I also noticed that smelly smell and extremly bad layer adhesion and it didnt took me long, to throw it in the corner. Also had issues with the filament being satred with water and i didnt had a filament dryer at that time.
@thenextlayer please try not to fall for manufacturer's marketing BS. 1) CPE is the same non-term as "PLA+". It means nothing. At most it just means "blend". Commonly CPE is PETG+something, but like with PLA+, it could be simply as good (or bad) as any other ordinary PETG, but calling it "CPE" gives it more credibility. What matters is the datasheet (assuming it doesn't lie). 2) NonOilen is PHB (=PHA?), so nothing special. For example Colorfabb PLA-HP is the same thing. But I get it, calling it NonOilen sounds cool and I keep it in stock for various prints because that marketing made me buy it over other PHA/PHB filaments in the past. Also I wonder why it didn't stick to the bed for you, I have trouble getting it of and need to use glue stick as a separation layer. It ruined part of my black Textured PEI sheet from Bambu as I had to literally scrape it off... 3) Food safe filaments are plentiful. Again - making it sound important is mostly marketing BS. If you really care about food safety then you need to make the "product" food safe, and that's not (just) about using food safe materials. I would guess that most filaments out there coming from better manufacturers are food safe, but it really means very little. Btw PP shoud be more food safe in practice as it should be less porous and more likely to produce watertight parts etc. 4) Polypropylene is actually not that bad when it comes to printing. It doesn't warp, so as long as the first layer sticks and isn't too narrow then you are fine. Magigoo PP works great of course. If you want a challenging filament, try Fillamentum Flexfill TPE 90A (Sky Blue is what I have). It sticks to nothing and warps like crazy. Full disclosure - I actually like Fillamentum CPE HG100 a lot , but please don't talk about CPE in general as if it meant something. And I also like NonOilen, though it's just too expensive, probably because of marketing costs :P I also have my doubts about biodegradability... If manufacturers truly cared about the environment they would buy (or at least take) back filament and failed prints from public to recycle.
You should definitely make a video about the new Multiboard from Keep Making! It is like the HSW but it seems better or more complex(especially with the threads).
You got me thinking when you said that PEBA is more chemically resistant than PLA or ABS. I've actually found PLA to be quite chemical resistant, or at least to gas and oils, acetone, IPA, and a few others. But that got me thinking that it would be cool if you did a series of videos on the chemical resistance of each filament to show what they like and don't like, so people can make a better choice when chemicals are going to be part of the environment.
What would recommend for printing prosthetics? PEBA or chinchilla ? I use TPU for sockets that go in the finger stub but also for the finger tips. The prosthetic I print is the Knicks Finger prosthetic
Have you come across any "food safe" flexible filaments that can reliability be used for food container lids? A video about the post processing requirements for making food safe prints out of various materials would be really neat.
Unless you're cool with food getting into the microscopic cracks of fdm printing there's no such thing as food safe filament. You would never store food in something that has hundreds of microscopic holes that can harbor bacteria.
Part of the issue of food safety can't be addressed by the filament material. The process of FDM printing creates small holes and valleys where bacteria (and/or bacteria food) can reside and be difficult to clean.
No filament is truly food safe just because of the layer lines, the material is food safe the product made with the material (also brass nozzle) is not.
can you make a next video in this series about filaments like PEEK/PEI/etc (you don't have to print them, I just want to know properties and I believe that others would too and I am curious)
I used PP for a medical prototype for a senior design team. pp is a command material in the medical industry and it was possible to get medical grade versions. Problem is that warping is really bad. Even with a bed at 90-95c and PP pro bed glue. It almost completely messed up the threads. I used it on a bambu labs p1s
Recreus (maker of FileFlex elastic filament) might have a good shoe design to download. I've gotta try printing FilaFlex again, it has been around before TPU even became popular. I think I bought mine when I still was using a Makerbot Thing-O-Matic.
Just an addition for any attempt of food-safe printing, In addition to the hot end, make sure have dedicated non-brass nozzles. Or make absolutely sure your nozzles are lead-free brass, which are not easy to find. It's not intuitive that brass often contains lead, so should be called out.
A note about PC : PC is weak to chemical, so even with high temp resistance it should not be use in oily environment. I'm not sure if it will last in the use case like in 8:14
That depends on your CAD background and which CAD software you're using. I use Solidworks because I took a class on it and because I have a free student license. For making functional parts as a hobbyist, fusion 360 is probably one of the most affordable/user friendly. Once you get proficient with one of these programs, you can make good looking parts pretty quickly.
I basically never heard of any of those special filaments, well except PC or PC-CF. CPE sounds nice. Would be nice to print stuff in something that has the strength of PLA, and heat resistance of PETG or even better. Also UV resistance would be nice. I was considering trying out ASA (have a roll or two purchased recently) but with the health considerations in mind when doing so. If there instead one of these filaments in this video could combine all these properties, and at the same time print more easily, and better for the health, it seems to be a non-brainer. Of course taking the cost into mind as well.
HEY there! Thanks for watching this video. I read every comment... so leave one!
shoes yes if you share the stl
No, thank you. I'll not gone watch after see that baby killers flag behind you. Don't get me wrong, that's not hate. Just truth. I can't support baby killers or their supporters because of my hearth. -Unsubed.
The script feels like it was written by chat GPT, soo repetitive
Acrylic is good for 3d printing
yes i would like to see a barefoot show if you share the file
Lots of great content here, but it seemed like there was a LOT of padding and repeated info.
As a newb to filiment it helps. remember this is for noobs. also people may jump right to a specific filiment for reference, so repeating it as needed is more comprehensive
I agree, great content but the text almost seems written by ChatGPT sometimes with the amount of repetition.
TH-cam is kind of forcing content creators to keep videos at a minimum length to get benefited. This is the result.
@@mistwolfhell no. It’s a video. Watch it 5 times if you want.
I love the idea of 3-d printed footwear. Both videos I've seen on youtube went through a single prototype and had mixed results as you'd expect. The design definitely seems to be the hard part. You'll probably want to plan on multiple prints and budget enough printer time so that you're not in a rush to attend a conference/go on vacation/get a video out the door.
Same here, interested in the peba and chinchilla filaments you mentioned. Would love it if a company brought out lightweight foaming versions of these materials.
Chinchilla is great for making buttstock pads. Anyone that does 2A 3D printing, it's nice to have a sample to make the occasional buttstock cushion
I use a lot of CPE from fiberlogy, it is food safe, high heat resistance around 110° and easy to print.
It's like a soft PC. I love this one.
For the PP use PP tape with no heat bed, it's cheap and so efficient.
Good video.
PP should be one of the best plastics out there. It´s 80% of all plastics worldwide and thus you could use a lot of recycled stuff. It´s also super cheap.
Thank you for these types of videos. Being new to 3D printing, I love learning about all the different types of filaments and what all they can be used for. You have become one of my favorite TH-camrs for presenting content about 3D printers. Keep it up.
Glad you and your family are safe. Best wishes in 2024.
My pleasure! Thanks for the kind words
Agree, I dig This Channel..🤙🏻
I bought a roll of Prusament PCCF. Had it over a year before I found anything worthwhile using it for. Made a splash guard for my buddy's electric bike. Probably could've used ASA or even CF PLA but he was paying for it and it will be taking impacts from rocks etc when off roading. I figured I should test out and see if my Bambu P1S could handle it *easily* after changing to hardened parts. To my surprise, I tweaked a couple PC settings on the generic PC profile and it printed like a DREAM.
PCCF and ezPCCF also do very very well when used for 3D printer toolheads. High rigidity and low weight gives some great input shaping graphs. Not to mention the added benefit of basically never being able to melt your toolhead+ducts
I used White (titanium oxide powder) PC for the parts cooler and BL touch probe mount/protector. Printed at 6mm³/s, it's strong enough to smash into parts and stopping the stepper motors on failed prints and forgetting about a print sitting on the print bed when homing 😅 enclosed @60C for about 2 years with no signs of warping. Although I'm certain if I remove it and check there will be some warping, possibly caused by annealing.
I use PC Glass Fiber for other projects which makes it surprisingly impact resistant while stiffening it up. Not as much as Carbon Fiber, but halfway there
Hey ✌️ I'd love to see an airless Basketball (Wilson Gen 1) made of PEBA, but it's really expensive 😬
Can you make that happen and test its bounciness? 😁
Thanks for making these awesome videos! You are a great help and please keep creating videos like this
thank you for your hard work in making these videos and helping us out
I know it has been a year but just ran across this. Nice video. Very informative and entertaining to boot. Thanks for your hard work.
This is one of the the better unique filament compilations.
I would love to find a filament that is like rubber in terms of being naturally grippy. TPU just isn’t naturally grippy, and there are so many applications for the extra grip. Tires, shoe soles, drive belts, clips.
Hey I've been in a 3D printing rabbit hole with your stuff. Not sure if it was a recent video or not where you had to leave your home but super happy to see it looks like you're back home safe and sound
It's been awesome watching your channel grow and evolve. I am glad you and your family are safe. I look forward to seeing this channel pick up even more speed in 2024. Cheers and keep up the hard work!
Hey man, I love your stuff. You really make my life better with every video. Thank you
I print with PP on a fairly regular basis. The lab I work for often prints prototypes for the local hospital and PP is a go to for us because of everything you mentioned. I find it is easier to print with than TPU as long as you can solve the bed adhesion issue. We simply wrapped a glass bed with packing tape as PP will easily stick to itself. My favorite filament we have produced at my lab, though, is a LDPE composite with a density of 0.64 g/cm3. Crazy light weight with amazing impact resistance.
yes PP will stick to itself....sometimes a little TOO well when trying to get it to let go of the bed/tape ect.
@@SirLANsalotI’d talk to a doctor for that one.
I have printed with Prusament PVB and it prints great with no discernible smell. I also have a Polysher for smoothing it with IPA vapor. The Polysher works pretty well but has issues getting to all the surfaces leaving some areas with layer lines. I also found the vase mode PVB prints take almost a week to dry out and become as firm as they were after printing.
I noticed this as well, it stays soft for a long time. If you heat to 30-40c it will dry faster but may warp. Drying after a day or so of ambient will reduce warping/shrinkage from the active drying
Super interesting, probably won't be using most of these anytime soon.
Been watching since your first video about gridfinity, and this is the first minor criticism I've ever had, and the simply how repetitive asking the audience about their use of each filament individually instead of just asking for input all at once at the end, or maybe once before ad and once at end.
Keep up great work, stay safe, and will continue to comeback to see what you do next.
Good feedback! Thanks!
Not sure if you've covered this or not -- in your video, you recommend hardened steel nozzles several times. Printing with CF-PLA, I could detect signs of nozzle wear (bottom surface flattening, bore widening) in under one 1kg spool of filament. The first mm of wear happened FAST (thinnest part of the material) and then it was slow, steady wear -- I could track it in my stadily drifting Z offset. I switched to a cheap Ruby nozzle on Amazon from MOD3DP as a test (not sponsored) and it legit has not lost 0.1mm of its tip. Pros, lasts longer than a hardened steel nozzle. Cons, slightly worse stringing. I'd be curious to hear your experience.
*UPDATE*
Received a roll of PC-CF in the mail yesterday and my god am I in love with this stuff! Prints easy on my P1Ss, amazing mechanical properties, and that finish looks absolutely beautiful. Did a Benchy to torture test with a hammer and torch compared to a PETG and PLA one, and doing some motorcycle helmet comms mounts out of it right now and they look top notch
Good work and good material about diffrent materials, materials that wehave miss for last few weeks. Also congrats of your road to 100k
Hey hope all is well for you and your family given the situation in your neck of the woods!
Thank you!
@@thenextlayer Hey dude. Same here. I hope you and your family are safe. I don't care about governments, or getting swept up in other people's causes. But I do care about regular folks just trying to live life. Take care!
What an amazing video, so slick and informative! Genuinely one of the best videos I’ve seen on TH-cam full stop. Great work, appreciate it! Also going to try CPE seems a no brainer.
Wow, thanks!
Great video, another great entry in your series. FYI it’s my understanding PP is food safe as well.
Idea for another entry this series is a similar type of rundown of “all” the food safe / contact safe filaments, compare and contrast, and more specifics about what is needed to make each “food safe” material create actually food safe objects.
Again great work, keep it up. Congrats
Very informative. Thanks! Even more filaments to try 🙂
Loving the recent videos 👍
Yes I use PC-CF and Nylon-CF filament for making horse shoes which we glue onto the hoof of the horse, we do a 3d scan of each horses hoof, so we can tailor the shoe for the horse, due to this method we the horses hooves are healthier making the horse healthier, we can also leave the shoes on longer.
During Covid19 I used PP-filament to print ear savers for face masks. I used some PP - packing tape (transparent) on the heatbed to avoid warping and was able to print without heating the bed.
This was really interesting, I hadn’t heard of a few of these of these filaments like PEBA and Chinchilla, I think you should try PEEK if you haven’t already, it is one of the strongest materials out there, however it is difficult to print and quite pricey at around $600-$700 USD a Kg. PEKK lacks some of the properties of PEEK but is significant easier to print being around as difficult as PETG, it is at the higher end of the price range before at around $700 USD a Kg. Excellent video and very informative👍.
big monies
This channel isn't vision miner lol but, seriously the price for a machine to properly print peek is ridiculous, not to mention the price of the filament itself. You can build a capable machine but, that's outside most peoples wheelhouse and there are not a lot of use cases where it even makes sense in an industrial setting certainly not for a hobbyist.
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 I took a peek at your comment and I agree tbh
Yeah I agree with the impractical nature of Getting the right machine to print PEEK and the price of the filament itself is insane but if he could justify it done the line it would make an interesting video, but this is highly unlikely.
Printing the shoe would be interesting & informative. Thank you. Also, Thank you for all your other videos. Much appreciated. Shalom
Great info on these special-use filaments. I like the idea of the flexible filaments for inside of phone cases.
17:04 for a good clear rigid material, amphora 3300 is phenomenal. It's a co-polyester that maintains really good rigidity, while printing absolutely transparent components. It's a little pricey, but it actually was a ground breaking filament when it initially was released
As always, great video. I might actually use some of those in the future.
Can't wait for the shoe video (I kind of wanted to make some myself from my very first flexible print).
You are getting a little better at saying the names of molecules 😂
You gonna love pctg
6:44 A custom 3D printed shoe workflow would be a great video! Its a universal need 😂
One point maybe worth calling out for flexibles is what filaments they can bond to if any, like PLA and TPU, as that creates lots of options of combining rigidity and flexibility as required eg as is used for tpu hinges in pla prints.
I've had good success printing PETG on top of NinjaFlex for soft vice jaws. No dovetailing needed, I just swapped from NinjaFlex to PETG on a layer change. My application was also helped by my profiles for PETG and NinjaFlex having the same printing temperature.
I finally got a 3D scanner, so I'd love to see a video on making footwear! Especially considering i have some of those orthopedic insoles
Nice video! Just thinking of getting a bamboo labs printer and wanted to see about the filaments and any trouble I might encounter. You video was quite informative thank you.
Thanks man! Nooilen looks rad and now I have to get some!!
You bet!
The flexible ones seem ideal for soft robotics.
Treat Nonoilen like ABS minus 60 degrees.. It loves to warp and is easy to overcool. But when you tune it in, it's beautiful.
Good video, though I think the constant asking for comments is a little annoying. I get that you want engagement but I think asking after literally every filament is a bit much
PP is also used in laboratories, where you need to autoclave medium to ensure is steryl..
awesome video!!! Thank you sir
do you have anything on tritan?
No but stay tuned for something very similar soon.
I use PVB specifically for it's low residue after ignition. This means that I don't use PVB filaments with colorants, as those increase residue. The fact that it can be vapor smoothed with not only isopropyl alcohol, but also ethyl alcohol, it can be smoothed much more safely and this lends to fewer layer lines in final parts which is necessary for my uses.
14:54 the chinchilla looks like a great material for a pad for our diaper bag. It’s just a mech fabric right now so on one shoulder it slips a lot. This could help with that.
I’d even be tempted to wear said shoes
I had problems with PC-CF in high temp environment (93c dental cleaning machine) and a little bit of mechanical stress (a couple 100g), It started to deform. Switched back to PC and it was good. Prusament PC blend and Prusament PC-CF blend. 100% infill.
Thanks for sharing
I've had several printer/toolhead parts from PA-CF and had to reprint them using PC-CF because PA-CF parts becomes by time (about a year) too flexible (almost like a rubber). Although all the parts could be printed from ABS/ASA, the PC-CF remains to me as the only high temperature resistant material which can be easily printed on open printer (basically no warping and still good layer adhesion, at least the Prusa flavour of PC-CF).
PC-CF (still talking about Prusa flavour, I've never tried any other PC-CF vendor) is hydroscopic, yet printing from filament dryer is not mandatory (it is slightly higher hydroscopic than e.g. PETG, so no torture like Nylon or so).
BTW. Most of the PC-CF (about three spools or so) were printed using nickel plated copper nozzle :-). The nozzle is still fine. But on my second printer, with Revo hotend, I even didn't tried to print it with brass nozzle (I immediately ordered obxidian nozzle) since brass is really soft in compare with nickel plating.
Prusa PCCF sounds really nice! I've heard that 3DXTech PCCF is really hard to print and requires a heated chamber, which makes it impossible for open frame printers.
How was your experience with nickel plated nozzles? I never tried them for abrasive filaments. Three spools of CF filament is pretty insane. What brand do you use?
@@leonjiang2882 not prusament pc-cf but I put maybe 2/3 of a spool through a phaetus nickel plated copper nozzle in my rapido and the end of it is very visibly worn down. That nozzle is now great for ironing haha
@@leonjiang2882 Uh, I don't see my answer from yesterday :-/
in short, the nozzle was (actually is, but I switched to the Volcano type nozzle) T-V6 by Trianglelab.
You should compare this to the BIQU PLA HR filament. Would love to see the bounce comparison.
I've used PVB by way of PolySmooth and their Polysher (a box that generates IPA fog rather than trying to mist it by hand). It does what it's supposed to, but always felt like it was better off with some initial processing first to reduce the time it needed to be exposed to the solvent. If I ran it for too long the plastic seemed to become permanently softer, though sometimes over weeks it would regain the initial hardness. It is a nice effect when it works, without having to paint and sand and paint and topcoat... You'll lose hard edges and fine details the more you smooth it, of course.
Also used a fair bit of PC-CF, in all three of my printers (Mk4, VCore3, X1C). It's good for "I don't want to care about it getting left out in the sun and deforming or breaking". No idea if I've needed it half the times I've used it, but it's worked every time from parts on the outsides of trucks and RVs to printer toolheads (I've made a few EVA3s out of it). The CF seems to have helped a lot with ameliorating PCs desire to warp in less well heated enclosures.
Looking at playing with a new thing called PETG Polyhex from IC3D. They are claiming it has PC-like performance and chemical resistance without the warping and other eccentricities. Supposedly designed with the Army for easy printing and durability in the field.
Thanks for the video. Going to try CPE following this video. Sounds like what I have been looking for.
NonOilen, hard to stick to bed, warps. I use glue stick. But good property, it can be boiled for better cleaning if necessary.
Agreed
PEBA is indeed a top tier material for elite running shoes due to its compliance and resilience, usually combined with a carbon plate to stabilise. However in running shoes it is used in a foamed version, I don't think it could be printed with the same properties, and even in the foam form there are huge differences between different versions.
When it comes to the processability of PEBA filament in FDM printing, especially for midsoles of shoes, we have verified it not only experimentally but also in custom shoe production. The verification was conducted in collaboration with the Footwear Design Studios of the University T.Bati, utilizing hollow structures to achieve comparable or better properties than in mass shoe production. While the efficiency for mass production with FDM is limited, it serves its purpose for verification or custom manufacturing.
PEBA filament is not exclusively intended for footwear; it makes sense primarily in the technical engineering field. Thanks to its high abrasion resistance, temperature range, and chemical resistance, combined with its elastic behavior, it is truly an exceptional material, and I'm pleased that this excellent video has introduced it to users.
in general PP has an inherent fatigue resistance. PP can take a repeated, vigorous beating, it lasts longer with proper lubrication. PP doesn’t do well with abrasion without lubrication and can sustain damage. make sure that whatever you’re making with PP is sized properly for application.
great thumbnails ;)
Fairplay to having the balls to swing those balls fella. Great bumping into you at SMRRF, sorry I culdn't stop to talk for long. Next time G.🙂
I’m happy to know you read all of your comments because I have been tirelessly attempting to reach you about your car warranty. You may not be protected in case of a catastrophic engine failure. Don’t worry it’s very affordable and I will just automatically take the money from your account before you even give me your info. 😂. Love your videos!
I thikn it would have been worth mentioning that the adhesion problem with the otherwise excellent PP comes from the fact that it almost exclusively sticks to itself. That's why people typically use regular packaging tape that is often made from PP or buy specific build plates with a PP toping. Those tend to be quite expensive though.
Otherwise thanks for another entertaining video!
Good point! PP is racist AF
When i first started printing ive heard of pvb. It was advertised that it prints like pla or petg but als you mentioned it can be smoothed with ipa. So i bought one roll and started going. I also noticed that smelly smell and extremly bad layer adhesion and it didnt took me long, to throw it in the corner. Also had issues with the filament being satred with water and i didnt had a filament dryer at that time.
Yep. I kind of hate it.
@thenextlayer please try not to fall for manufacturer's marketing BS.
1) CPE is the same non-term as "PLA+". It means nothing. At most it just means "blend". Commonly CPE is PETG+something, but like with PLA+, it could be simply as good (or bad) as any other ordinary PETG, but calling it "CPE" gives it more credibility. What matters is the datasheet (assuming it doesn't lie).
2) NonOilen is PHB (=PHA?), so nothing special. For example Colorfabb PLA-HP is the same thing. But I get it, calling it NonOilen sounds cool and I keep it in stock for various prints because that marketing made me buy it over other PHA/PHB filaments in the past. Also I wonder why it didn't stick to the bed for you, I have trouble getting it of and need to use glue stick as a separation layer. It ruined part of my black Textured PEI sheet from Bambu as I had to literally scrape it off...
3) Food safe filaments are plentiful. Again - making it sound important is mostly marketing BS. If you really care about food safety then you need to make the "product" food safe, and that's not (just) about using food safe materials. I would guess that most filaments out there coming from better manufacturers are food safe, but it really means very little. Btw PP shoud be more food safe in practice as it should be less porous and more likely to produce watertight parts etc.
4) Polypropylene is actually not that bad when it comes to printing. It doesn't warp, so as long as the first layer sticks and isn't too narrow then you are fine. Magigoo PP works great of course. If you want a challenging filament, try Fillamentum Flexfill TPE 90A (Sky Blue is what I have). It sticks to nothing and warps like crazy.
Full disclosure - I actually like Fillamentum CPE HG100 a lot , but please don't talk about CPE in general as if it meant something. And I also like NonOilen, though it's just too expensive, probably because of marketing costs :P I also have my doubts about biodegradability... If manufacturers truly cared about the environment they would buy (or at least take) back filament and failed prints from public to recycle.
Greentec Pro from extrudr is also an interesting filament. It is environmentally friendly and has good mechanical properties
If you are going to do the shoe video, could you please explain how supports should be set so it prints nicely but not impossible to remove?
Cool, do you know what type of material Wilson used to make the airless basketball?
Would that peba be good for a airless basketball?
very
PPS and PPS-CF are also very weird and cool!
I would definitely watch the show video!
You should definitely make a video about the new Multiboard from Keep Making! It is like the HSW but it seems better or more complex(especially with the threads).
Yep. Considering it!
I also am interested in Multiboard. If only I hadn't finished printing a ton of HSW wall plates...
You got me thinking when you said that PEBA is more chemically resistant than PLA or ABS. I've actually found PLA to be quite chemical resistant, or at least to gas and oils, acetone, IPA, and a few others. But that got me thinking that it would be cool if you did a series of videos on the chemical resistance of each filament to show what they like and don't like, so people can make a better choice when chemicals are going to be part of the environment.
What would recommend for printing prosthetics? PEBA or chinchilla ? I use TPU for sockets that go in the finger stub but also for the finger tips. The prosthetic I print is the Knicks Finger prosthetic
Hello. Thank for video. I have one question. Have you ever heard anything about PC+PTFE, and how this filamennt act compared to pure PTFE?
PEBA = This is perfect to print a flexible case for my bicycle tools.
Fairly new to this, One thing I've been trying to do is print mirrors, PVB looks like it might work
Have you come across any "food safe" flexible filaments that can reliability be used for food container lids? A video about the post processing requirements for making food safe prints out of various materials would be really neat.
I second this, imagine being able to print your own tupperware and not having to worry about losing lids!
Unless your printer doesn't print any not food safe filament, any food safe filament you put in will be contaminated
Unless you're cool with food getting into the microscopic cracks of fdm printing there's no such thing as food safe filament.
You would never store food in something that has hundreds of microscopic holes that can harbor bacteria.
Part of the issue of food safety can't be addressed by the filament material. The process of FDM printing creates small holes and valleys where bacteria (and/or bacteria food) can reside and be difficult to clean.
No filament is truly food safe just because of the layer lines, the material is food safe the product made with the material (also brass nozzle) is not.
SBS is also certified food safe. Fil-X in South Africa manufacturers SBS filament.
Haven’t heard of it? Maybe I need to do a fourth video
can you make a next video in this series about filaments like PEEK/PEI/etc (you don't have to print them, I just want to know properties and I believe that others would too and I am curious)
If more people request it I’ll do it!!
or.... make a colab with zack freedman (voidstar lab)
@@thenextlayer I would second this request.
I used PP for a medical prototype for a senior design team. pp is a command material in the medical industry and it was possible to get medical grade versions. Problem is that warping is really bad. Even with a bed at 90-95c and PP pro bed glue. It almost completely messed up the threads. I used it on a bambu labs p1s
Nice video. Would love to see a test of the new Banbu Lab PA6-GF
Glass Fiber Reinforced PA6 (Nylon 6)
Definitely interested in the shoes. Live out in the desert and would love to wear barefoot shoes that stand up to cacti 🌵 😂
question. can the flexible filaments mentioned here be printed using Bambu Labs' AMS or AMS Lite systems?
Nope
Recreus (maker of FileFlex elastic filament) might have a good shoe design to download. I've gotta try printing FilaFlex again, it has been around before TPU even became popular. I think I bought mine when I still was using a Makerbot Thing-O-Matic.
Just an addition for any attempt of food-safe printing, In addition to the hot end, make sure have dedicated non-brass nozzles. Or make absolutely sure your nozzles are lead-free brass, which are not easy to find. It's not intuitive that brass often contains lead, so should be called out.
You should take that Chinchilla TPE and print a Purple Matress-like pillow out of it and see how it holds up.
A note about PC : PC is weak to chemical, so even with high temp resistance it should not be use in oily environment. I'm not sure if it will last in the use case like in 8:14
Oh good point
5:56 in the gasket world 260c is pretty tame, wouldn't call it extreme.
Definitely interested in a PEBA shoe video!
Hi, Thanks for the video.
Can you put the videos sources for all the clips in your videos
Have you tried PBT one?
Whats the make of that 3D Printer heater in this video?
EIBOS and Sunlu! Check them out
Should talk about texture more. I believe that pp has some of the lowest friction coefficients of plastics.
Is that an ERCF I see on top of the Voron 2.4?
I’m new to 3d printing, and have a newbie question. How difficult is it to design an idea for printing?
Not hard
@ what are some of the pitfalls
That depends on your CAD background and which CAD software you're using. I use Solidworks because I took a class on it and because I have a free student license. For making functional parts as a hobbyist, fusion 360 is probably one of the most affordable/user friendly. Once you get proficient with one of these programs, you can make good looking parts pretty quickly.
@ I have zero cad experience. I always wanted to learn it, but until now had no practical use for it
Is PEBA good for BattleBots?
3d printed footwear was my first thought. some sandals made from a 3d scan of my hairy, ugly stompers may very well be worth it to me!
PEBA might be good for the Airless Basketball print
'Yay' for the shoe experiment.
Thank you....
I basically never heard of any of those special filaments, well except PC or PC-CF. CPE sounds nice. Would be nice to print stuff in something that has the strength of PLA, and heat resistance of PETG or even better. Also UV resistance would be nice. I was considering trying out ASA (have a roll or two purchased recently) but with the health considerations in mind when doing so. If there instead one of these filaments in this video could combine all these properties, and at the same time print more easily, and better for the health, it seems to be a non-brainer. Of course taking the cost into mind as well.