MODERN HORIZONS 3 cEDH SET REVIEW PART 1 - WHITE, BLUE, RED, AND BLACK CARDS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Dylan, Cam, and Tyler discuss the white, blue, red, and black cards from Modern Horizons 3 that may impact cEDH
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The kinnan player not mentioning how consign to memory only hits one ring while he prays we don't remember Basalt monolith is colorless
Tyler needs to be on more.
The three personality dynamic takes the channel from great to outstanding.
Couldn’t agree more
Yeah, I like his perspective too!
I like how they are happy and he is grumpy
I come to watch magic, I stay to see cam get confused and disoriented
And mispronouncing cards don’t forget that!!
@@kstandish42tegrid
Bwahahaha! It's so true...
Jajajajajaja cam is so funny
I come for the debate, i stay cuz everything is time walk
Harbinger also makes Carpet of Flowers nuts lol
Harbinger in Hakbal stax is so good. I love it ^^ I am the only one who plays that deck though ahahah
Reading Carpet
Damn true that. Never thought of that
@@mirkomigliavacca9894I love Hakbal. The minute I saw harbinger spoiled I knew I’d want it for the deck.
Having played with Ashling for quite awhile in Krark Saka, this card is BERSERK. An absolutely deranged piece of cardboard. I'll be curious to see how the Ashling (in the zone) + Fury Storm deck does! And Pinnacle Monk creates a couple of deterministic loops, which rules. For Krark Saka, ultimately, I think that Flare, Ashling, and the MDFCs stick-with results pending on all the other stuff (including Powerbalance).
First big fan and really apprentice all the work you ya done for the deck As a krark saka player I’m curious I feel like there aren’t enough red creatures to sac DRC Monkey and dockside that’s all is it really worth to sac the Krark for flare and if I may ask what’s the deterministic loop with monk and how do you feel about Ral
Twin-Turbo Ashling is 🔥
Worth noting that mayhem devil still triggers when stuff is exiled cause it triggers on sacrifice which doesn't care where the card goes after.
Wow glad Cam saw me here, I was getting nervous they would just sit in silence unless I said something.
One thing about Galvanic Discharge is that it really can't be deflecting swatted back at your own creature. It's why I'm cutting bolt for it in my Jund Dargo.
Yay, glad to have Tyler on the show!
Flare cycle is also a one-time instant speed sac outlet, which doesn't entirely make it better, but is something to keep in mind
I think that only might matter for white because of the rectors
I don’t play cEDH but damn do I love you guys lol great chemistry. I don’t understand all the ins and outs of cEDH but I learn a shit ton from you guys every time I watch. Even if I’m just a casual it helps me understand this game more, you guys rock
First thing, I love this podcast. Second, every time I watch you guys, I get jealous that you have the collectors edition berserk manga.
Cam, Static Prison can remove a One Ring and it'll be reset when it gets back in. Plus 3 turns is forever in cEDH. This is essentially "W: Exile a thing, the games probably over before it comes back."
Also I haven't seen anyone mention the static prison can be cast off lurrus, which is big for all the bad lurrus decks
The black tutor creature seems good with saw in half, it can fetch up both thoracle and consult or any other A+B without having to pass the turn.
Chthonian Nightmare also has a bunch of other combos in Krrik. Blood Celebrant/Jet Medallion + Aetherflux/Gary
A few krark notes: Ashling is cracked in half in the deck considering how she interacts with cards like twinflame allowing you to effectively reset her abilities. She can very quickly become a win condition especially with flare of Duplication which, when copied by krark, can infinitely copy itself and generate infinite magecraft triggers.
Also, pinnacle monk is huge with the kitten package that the deck has been playing as long as you're generating enough mana from your spells.
I run a casual Krark deck, how many of these cards are worth running? I also don't have kitten because I don't have a lot of rocks/tap abilities, should I?
Thanks, King. I'm in love with this card now.
Sincerely,
A Devoted Krark-follower (Krark/Thrasios)
Flare of Duplication (the red one) does NOT allow you to change targets of the original spell, it ONLY makes a copy (that you can point anywhere). Lots of comparisons were made (to Redirect, etc), so it wasn’t quite clear if everyone was on the same page. I mean, it’s still extremely good (copy a counter spell), but you can’t save your commander from a Swords, so I’m not sure it’s quite a 4.999.
copy ad naus, tutors or other absurd spell makes it a 5. have copied quite a few Beseeched the mirrors so far, the card is very strong.
You put witch enchanter in sythis so then when they remove one of them, you ask "which enchanter? That one"
The perfect comment
Sythis will probably like Static Prison too.
Which enchanter? Dis enchanter....
@shayneweyker I might test it. It's cute fs
talking about artifact combos with Tyler on the podcast and no mentions Basalt Monolith...
I love all 4 of you giving opinions together. Cam, Dylan, Tyler, and the Dog.
My theory on why they have printed a lot of “pre combat main phase “ is they have printed a lot of stuff thag triggers additional upkeeps so they are trying tk keep some stuff so it doesn’t trigger off those extra upkeeps
Cam I love the Holiday World shirt! I grew up ~20 minutes from the park and now take my son any time we go back to visit my parents.
Love this park so much!! Can’t wait to go back and ride Good Gravy
The kinnan player forgetting to mention consign to memory counters basalt is pretty funny
White Flare is kinda good in Rocco and other Rector decks as a free sac for Rector that protects your board, gonna try it out
Stormdrake is very good. What you guys are doing most of the times is looking for very specific plays or lines why a card wouldnt work. And under selling the strong points. Also glad tyler joined the review need more.
Flare of Fortitude does give Hexproof against all of the channel abilities and can be done when tapped out which is nice, but I acknowledge it's very situational
cthonian nightmare dockside loop can also reanimate and get etb effects with any creature in the graveyard because infinite energy allows any creature to be reanimated
1:09:25 Ral, Leyline Prodigy's +1 is NOT 'until the end of your next turn'. It is "until YOUR NEXT TURN'. The +1 doesn't cover your next turn, just that whole round between your turns.
harbinger synergizes with carpet of flowers. That wasn't said, but maybe worth mentioning as carpet is played regularly in the format.
Oh also, King Gizard and the Lizard wizards are a great rockband
TYLER!!! Tyler's great. This is a Tyler appreciation comment.
I think the precombat main thing is because people usually go untap -> draw -> oh shit I forgot an upkeep trigger (sagas and attractions try to prevent this in the same way)
Good scenario for powerbalance is casting a vamp tutor in response to a Kraum, putting Ad Nauseam on top, and casting it for free off the balance.
Tempted to try running Ashling, Flame Dancer in my casual Stella Lee deck!
My experience with powerbalance.. First game, an opponent had powerbalance. Another opponent was going for the win with a Underworld Breach on the stack with a known force of will in hand. In response, I cast Endurance. Powerbalance trigger and it hit a Ranger Captain of Eos. Was just an awesome moment.
The next 3 games where I have gotten it, it hasn't done much. But I haven't hit my top deck manipulation in those games. Still more to be tested!
Long have I awaited this video
Strix serenade has me so torn, on the one hand it only targets creatures, but on the other other hand, it always targets a commander
Tyler was right about it. This is a strictly better Stern Scolding, that’s all. Great for decks like Talion, control decks.
I think people are sleeping on this card a little. For me, this is better than a Path by far as it stops ETB effects.
Plus, it’s a one mana counter target commander to Manadorkuk’s point.
Also, stopping a One Ring, Bow Master’s, etc. is a big deal.
I think if you are using a Path or a weaker counter spell or removal this is a no-brainer.
@@timothyjones3931 right!!? 1 mana Tivit be gone feels pretty good to me
I'm going to test it in tivit because I want more ways to stop sheoldred, dockside, and clones. 3 very regular creatures that make it harder for me to grind with Tivit out
Grim Servant is like a weaker hoarding broodlord in some decks i think itll be used as an extra but not to get peer but ad nauseum since 7 devotion isnt likely but 5 is more likely especially with things like necropotence and necrodominance but if you play those you probably arent trying to do ad naus anymore cause of life total but the value necros maybe, but the saw in half line could get cabal rit/sacrifice (situational) and ad nauseum
Powerbalance I think *could* see play in a deck like Etali, being able to occasionally have an idea what's on top during your turn before casting etali even if it doesnt hit (Like you do something causing an opponent to have to do something, like playing something that would make etali uncounterable after such as veil) + a good portion of the time hitting a nice ramp for free is really good in that deck, and etali is playing a significant amount of subpar cards where this could pretty decently be swapped into. Like probably what most of the time your top is going to be a 0-1 mana piece of ramp of some kind, and if powerbalance nets you 1 permanent piece of mana it's already as good as arcane signet or fellwar stone. I feel like 50% of the time powerbalance will net you 1 mana by your next turn, and something like 10% it's going to be an extremely annoying or dangerous card, like a pyroblast that all your opponents have to go "Well fuck for the entire turn cycle etali has a free counterspell if any of us want to counter something this turn cycle" because powerbalance isn't mandatory to immediately cast, or power cards that are dangerous to let etali get for free like worldly tutor, gamble, or dockside.
Maybe rite of flame gets cut, if it nets 1 mana it's straight up better than what rite of flame does as temporary mana and has a lot more upside a lot of the time.
Also in a deck like say Kess, it seems pretty good, being able to see a 3 drop hit, and force powerbalance to hit a wheel in that deck off a top deck tutor really helps that deck, especially when you kinda topdeck tutor for wheels even in advance in that deck.
I feel like it probably seeing play in Etali and Kess alone is likely enough to push it closer to 2.2 considering kess is a decent deck, and etali is a pretty good deck. There are likely other decks that are willing to go for that type of effect too that im not thinking of.
You don’t run tales end, you run trickbind. Literally the best counter ability. For the nightmare card you don’t need a creature in the graveyard. You sack dockside as part of the cost so it hits the GY, ability on the stack targeting dockside
I absolutely love razorgrass ambush and I'm glad other people are hype about it too
Stopping by to say Flare of Denial is incredible for Hidetsugu and Kairi.
Ashling has a 1 card wincon and multiple 2 card wincons with fury storm and copy spells.
Too complicated for this show
I’m a mono red player/fanatic and my advice to wizards to help out the lower colored decks is to increase the colored mana pips for the cards. For example a 5 red mana pip commander that is extremely strong for mono red. A little of the extreme side but just ask example.
chthonian nightmare, buried alive, narcomoeba / bloodghast, orcish bowmaster and dockside for 2 card combo. There are monoblack ways to win with it as well.
Flare of duplication has been absurd so far me, its soo good against beseech the mirror wich is going wil with necrocombo going of right now. unlike other flares, flare of diplication furthers your gameplan instead of stoping opponent.
Notably with Ashling: If you have an empty hand it just draws a card. It doesn't say "If you did, draw a card". Could be relevant for that specific reason.
I've been waiting WEEKS for this!
Short selling consign to memory big time. Thassa's oracle is a triggered ability, dockside is a triggered ability, cEDH has so many more triggered abilities AND colorless spells that end the game or give massive advantage, I think it will land in around the offer you cant refuse, swan song power level, maybe higher
I think ajani gets played in at least winota but maybe also najeela. The 0 ability seems very strong in najeela since that's a deck that struggles with blockers
The reason why Static Prison says precombat main phase is so that if it hits a saga, the saga doesnt trigger on ETB AND on start of Main 1.
1:02:07 didn't know Tyler was queer. Neat!
I still can't believe you guys are under 100k subscribers, I don't play cEDH at all, but your editing, banter and analysis are so entertaining that it's always a treat to watch this show. Thanks for doing what you do 🙏
I'm with Cam on the Prison. Sorcery locked removal is always butts. The only effect like this that's even been playable in cEDH is Touch the Spirit Realm and that's only playble because of channel. Sure it may be the most efficient version we've ever seen, it's still bad.
Best Tyler intro so far 😂
You can sacrifice a creature using the nightmare without actually reanimating something. So it works as a sacrifice outlet on its own.
This podcast was so great, 9/10 though cause it wasn't also a land
28:34 Someone's been watching North 100!
I cannot believe that amphibian downpour isn’t getting any attention. I completely get it’s a little expensive but it’s almost uninteractable, the storm makes counterspells pretty horrible and fluster storm doesn’t hit downpour bc it’s an enchantment. As an emry storm player it’s a little niche but I still think this card is gonna be a dark horse.
Maybe Static prison triggers on precombat main phase so Sheoldred doesn't come back into play before you draw for turn?
Powerbalance with Top.. seems hilarious. Granted I run countertop in jeska ishai
The blue 3 mana enchantment the turns everything to frogs and has storm is going to be nuts
The creature for Cthonian Nightmare needs to cost 4 or less
But
That's if dockside is in the grave
Bc if the dockside is in hand/on the bf, you cast CN, get 3E, and can't reanimate you 4cmc creature (in the first rotation, you can't kickstart the loop)
Otherwise dockside+4cmc is net neutral E-wise
Also, if you have a 3cmc creature you can loop for infinite energy and then start looping creatures with any cmc
I would say Emiel is less restrictive in play (works with dockside making 4+ rather than 5+, is easier to tutor, doesn't need extra creature), but needs slightly more initial mana investment, can't reanimate stuff and is restricted to WG
Also you can loop dockside at 4 if you don't need infinite mana, like with ocb or smth
Did we really not include the new best Ob Nixilis card? Unstable Amulet is nuts for Ob, but only Ob so I get it
Flare of fortitude is a free sac outlet to the rectors which is also nice
With Chthonian Nightmare, isnt the sacrifice a part of the activation cost to put the ability on the stack? As in, you dont need another creature in the graveyard to loop it with Dockside, because Dockside will already be in the graveyard because you sacrificed it?
Or am i getting this way wrong?
You select targets before costs are paid (this is true of both spells and abilities), so you wouldn't be able to target a creature you're sacrificing to pay the cost. (See CR 602.2, if you want an official breakdown.)
Pinnacle Monk goes infinite with saw in half and any of the three black sac + mana rituals.
The secund creature for the nightmare can just be your commander
There's an infinite damage loop with Dockside + Chthonian Nightmare + Aether Revolt
They skipped warren soultrader which korvold is already using as a problem
Grim Servant having cmc 4 could be great in K'rrik since you can find it off of Fleshwrither / Dimir House Guard but then Grim Servant can find non-cmc 4 cards unlike Fleshwrither / Dimir House
Strix serenade I think is under rated as it just counters every commander for a single blue and it stops thoracle it’s kicks off that counter war and you get to keep the counters that counter counters.
Grim Servant find saw in half find dockside + chatonian nightmare ?
Of course you didn't see me there, Cam. I was never in the room, you're in your recording studio.
Actually now that I think about it. The one colour land spells and the super powerful utility lands being printed can be a way for low colour decks to eke out deck-building advantages over 4-5 colour decks. How many 5 colour decks are going to be able to play the mdfc untap lands in their decks? If they do, they’ll be reducing their consistency by a little each time.
It could make low colour decks into gas-drawing machines. You may never have a dead draw again if all of your lands do more than just tap for mana.
nevermind they said the exact thing i just commented LOL
I’ve been waiting for this one!!
heard Tyler say he had a boyfriend. my life is complete😌😌 happy pride
Maybe Strix Serenade replaces your weakest creature removal cause it hits most permanents and also works better against creature that removal doesn’t stop like Dockside
I think flare of denial will be going into my edric deck. I have enough blue permanents to not worry about it
Am I missing something or is the wincon with grim servant just another version of the spellseeker line which they mentioned
Static prision has the upside of taking something only during your main phase1, like a dranith you want in play but you want your commander.
I just discovered your content. Fuckin awesome
Flare of duplication should of been a 5. It functions as a counterspell any time that there is already one on the stack, except fod is conditionally free and in red. Which is good enough for like a 4.5-5 already but it does way more than that. Imma ramble about a few different things this card does below.
It can find you the other half of a 2 card combo while tutoring, you can copy someone else's ad nauseum, get yours off first and find an answer for their ad nauseum before it resolves. You do the same thing with enemy tutors, just copy it search your deck for a hard counter spell or an oppo or some shit and prevent them from tutoring. Is someone digging for answers? Dig for the answers to their answers before they even get to do the digging. Double up on your removal, make enemy cyclonic rifts no longer one sided, double a predators grasp to ruin 2 players chances of winning (thats half the table bro) This can even help add longevity to your gameplan, if on or both of your combo peices hit the bin, you can just fish them out in one swoop with a copied recursion spell. If someone casts a finally of devastation for 20, guess what? You can too. The list goes on, and you get all that for the low low cost of a red creature. Good thing there aren't any red creatures that see play in pretty much every red deck.
Difference between adjure and flare of denial is 3 mana can be used to cast it. The other always requires the sac. Force of will does get hard cast sometimes so will flare
My absolute favorite thing about stormdrake is its $3 for a copy
I had to go back and see when Dylan started holding a dog.
Dylan? Dog? Dead of night...
tyler boyfriend confirmed hell yeah happy pride yall
Chthonian Nightmare + Dockside loops does have infinite casts, which means you can’t really just win through a Rhystic Study without making enough extra treasures, so in that regard it’s worse than the Emiel loop
Not that this is super relevant but all the esper mdfc are run in raffine because it add non lands
Kind of irrelevant, but the other day i found out Pongify is pronounced 'ponjify'.
Thank you
Ive been eagerly waiting for this video
Can’t chthonian nightmare sacrifice dockside and then return dockside since sacrificing a creature is part of its cost?
Am I wrong in believing that you only need dockside for the chthonian nightmare. As the sacrifice is part of the cost so he would be in the graveyard when the ability goes on the stack so you can just target him? Or is that not how it works?
I can imagine swapping out a 2-cost mana rock for Levy
Fun fact the blue blood moon wil also stay active under humility
I feel like they keep forgetting Dihada is a planeswalker on the destroying or countering effects
Replicating consign to memory multiple times seems like it would be a reasonable way to overpower a thoracle trigger through multiple protection spells
49:50 bro, just get saw in half...
I'm definitely going to try grim servant in Rowan
Unstable amulet is crack in Kingpin
Resculpt looking like it’s getting cut