HOW GOOD IS THE LOST CAVERNS OF IXALAN IN cEDH? - cEDH SET REVIEW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- Dylan, Cam, and Tyler discuss the new cards from Lost Caverns Of Ixalan that may make in impact in cEDH
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This channel really breathed a new life into my EDH career. Cedh feels like the only place where any given playgroup is actually on the same page. Proxies? Go for it. Combos? Absolutely. Everyone's there to play with overpowered stuff and you never have that awkward moment where someone holds back a win because someone else is gonna get irl mad.
yeah somehow cedh feels more casual and laid back. Casual commander was just always kinda toxic imo.
I always think it’s ironic when people talk about making a new banned list for cedh🤨. We are the players who actually use the banned list. Casual commander (whatever that means, exactly) needs to make a new banned list.
Then we can break that format too 😉
I play a lot of Commander and occasionally cEDH at a local store, it's my favorite of the stores in the area. Finding a store where the playgroups are your style can be hard, I do like cEDH but I also like my theme decks like Kibo 🍌
This. Cedh's card pool is so small conlared to casual that everybody knows most cards and how most decks would be constructed. It's kind of like playing modern with two meta decks. You basically know what the opponent will do, leading to people understanding how and a much more streamlined experience. Like sure somebody could pull up with some jank cedh combo but if they are trying to win they will be running the meta cards that people will know.
This.@@thomasmcmahan2631
Kutzil is a warrior...
How did we forget Najeela!?
It's also green which means you can green sun it. It's legendary so Sissay can tutor it out as well.
@@DeathSpeach it also can be searched for of summoners pact.
@@PlaytoWinMTG also, 5C Sisay? Its legendary and can be tutored as part of the combo win?
I love this community. Helping break stuffs😂
I'm honestly wanting to try Kutzil in Jetmir stax. Very neat to hear other people talk about it.
Busted card. Will be in a lot of decks
Trying it out as the commander at some point for a stax deck.. Might change my Yasharn deck to it haha.
I believe it is a slam dunk for Jetmir
These guys have quickly become one of my favorite MTG channels. I don’t even play cEDH.
Disappointed with new Malcom! I love Malcom and was excited he was getting a new card. The art is cool at least. 😅
27:15 Gisela, Blade of Goldnight. It’s great.
Malcolm is an absolute banger in any 1v1 format. 2 mana 2 power flash flyer is pretty strong in Flying Men/Blue-x Tempo decks. Those decks just aren’t good in multiplayer.
Kutzil being tutorable by Sisay and adding two colours is going to make a pretty impact. In to the battlefield tutors for silence effects is such a good way to sneak out a win.
Also can be found by green sun and other green creature tutors
Gonna have to find a slot for one in my list.
It's an auto include in Ellivere, the discord got mad the day it was released.
I can't believe they didn't even mention sissay in their analysis
@@vilestride335 It’s mostly their experience. None of them play Sisay so I. could see them miss something like this.
Tidebinder could always counter something, it could either turn off dockside or thoracle on the stack, but when you don't need to stop the win this way, it could always turn off one of infinite value pieces like the one ring, Tymna, Kraum, Thrasios, Tivit (ignores ward, btw), Kinnan, Kenrith, Najeela, Talion, even Bowmasters, Sheoldred and so forth
It's not indefinite, since it can die, but it is still better than 'the end of turn'
37:34 you can also craft with things in your graveyard as well!
Power of friendship (aka, us!) does have a really short new mechanic explanation if it helps!
Tishana's Tidebinder doesn't stop only until the end of the turn. It stops it while it's on the board.
Ghalta is its own loop with one other creature and cloudstone without needing to cast more than one spell
saccing it to greater good with the trigger on the stack also feels great, might actually be someing there
@@coltonholder4649 oooo! That would be SICK!
Ohh this is an interesting combo, wow. Probably only useful in a naya stax list of sorts, but still!
Maybe Chulane wants her? Does Chulane still exist?
I love the Tyler’s interventions, always on the spot
I was able to tutor up Kutzil in sisay, then cast dockside and go off having a legendary G.A. is soon good. Also, I've had to be on the reserving end of a dismantler and having it slow the board down, then blow up your 0 mana artifacts, including treasures, is an auto include for most white decks imo. I've switched it out for B.O. in my sisay 2 mana 1/4 uncommon wth
19:07 Kutzil is CRAZY in sisay. It’s a silence affect that is legendary so it gives her 2 color and on top of that kutzil’s second ability triggers off of sisay attacking since her base is a 2/2. Cards really good
Dismantler destroying treasures for 1 white mana and blowing up all 0 drop artifacts makes me want to stop playing korvold
Yeah its going straight into my Sythis list along with Ouphe, Stony Silence, Null Rod and Blind Obedience lol
A think Kutzil could definitely see play in Sisay, that silence effect is now tutorable and gives +2 to Sisay
How did you guys not talk about the new partner Francisco? Definitely one of the more important cards from the set.
Major facts. My friend built a Fowl Opus build with Francisco and it can win on turn 1 with 4 cards in hand.
Ya there's a whole discord that popped up with builds. I played in a tournament and I'm pretty sure the dude's name is Nato was running the partner with ishai and doing Agatha cauldron lines and made the final table. Definitely a partnership with kraum for grixis stuff is good as well
Brass's tunnel- grinder will probably be really good with kitten. You could possibly wheel yourself through your deck to get to your win cons in one turn.
Kutzil didnt get fair treatment here tbh, its incredble in sisay, i think tayam would also like it because of the incidental drawing from the odd +1 counters, and it can be tutored fir with "non human" tutors, like greens suns zenith and more
I like that Tishana’s Tidebinder can counter a relatively low impact ability, and still shut off the WHOLE card. For example, K’rrik has a triggered ability - the one that gives him +1/+1 counters. You can counter that to turn the whole card off
Kutzil is gonna look great in my Jetmir deck! Commander boosts stats so the second ability is usually relevant, and the first ability is just good almost always!
I love you people, I'd lose my mind to play a game with yall some day! I have learned SOOOO much from you in my short stint in the game (started in June)
I would love for Anim Pakal to be good in Winota. Having artifact creature tokens would help so much in turning on metalcraft for Jor Kadeen (or Mox Opal for those that play it) and generating many triggers reliably is huge.
Unfortunately it doesn’t do anything when it comes down from a Winota trigger until the next turn when it will create one token, which again doesn’t trigger Winota because it wasn’t declared as an attacker. The way it is, it will generate 1 trigger 1 to 2 turns after it comes down (depending on if it was cast or brought into the game by Winota) which might be too slow.
It also only gains one counter each combat so it would need to stay on the board way longer than a Loyal Apprentice for example to impact the game.
But i’m sure people will try it and i’ll be looking forward to their experiences!
Amazing episode as always!
I would love an episode about your causal Edgar deck! 😊
I like how enthusiastic Cam was when he said "ROAMING THRONE!" Lol! Great stuff, good episode.
4:37 I think having a podcast episode where you do a deep dive into a commander (casual or cedh) you enjoy would be fun every now and then.
Bartolome is also a new commander for lurrus companion.
I love the new Ghalta! I recently made a Samut, Voice of Dissent deck and to be able to accelerate it out and then dump Gisela, blade of goldnight and an Aurelia War leader is an awesome feeling! Might not be complete cedh level but there are some really cool synergies with this big dino. Would love to hopefully see it included in some builds in the future.
I love watching these as a casual player. Every card that came up I thought was going to be great, boy was I wrong lmao. Great vid
I'd love to see Dylan's updated Edgar list!! I just revamped my edgar deck and used his old list as inspiration!
ghalta could see play in kenrith reanimator lists. discard outlet lets you win at instant speed and as a bonus it hides interaction/ reduces the vulnerability of some lines. and since its etb its pretty abusable for flicker effects like emiel. its a great addition to kenrith intuition creature piles for instant speed wins ghalta and dockside emiel is an instant speed win pile for intuition.
I think you guys missed the deck that will actually use Kutzil the best: 5c Sisay. Having a protective Silence effect that's tutorable with Sisay will be great for that deck.
My favourite channel to just chill and listen to. I dont even play cedh yet. I have yuriko built with a good chunk of the necessary cards to take it into cedh territory. I just enjoy the boys hanging out and talking shit.
You guys are by far my favorite edh channel. You and Cam are the Wayne and Garth of mtg. Your silly attitudes and just unapologetic goofiness brings me many smiles. And I look forward to every video
Appreciate that!
The first thing I thought of to do with spelunking was any Thrasios deck, if you are activating Thras for value rather than "infinite" mana draw you deck I think it adds more since any lands you hit come in untapped which could even potentially get you 1 or maybe even 2 more activation's. The other idea I got was for a Tymna/Dargo using alter of the wretched. I think it can be a good value turn and if you are looping it the turn you breach or play breach when you start looping then you are essentially drawing 14 cards for each sac of Dargo. The issue is for this loop you would need Dargo, Birgi, Atog/Arcbound Reaver/anything that lets you sac artifacts, Altar of the Wretched, Breach and either LED or infinite mana. Plus if you don't have the breach before you start then you essentially need the infinite mana in order to return Altar to hand to continue the loop. I don't know Mardu colours very well so I am not sure what the pay off would be or if it would even be worth it since I know a few Mardu decks use reanimation package with Hoardling and Saw in Half to win the game that just seems cheaper and easier. But it's a lot of value if you pull it off and I like it, just don't know if it would be worth playing.
Re: Kutzil, literal Abolisher has been available in the command zone with Myrel from BRO. That being said, she's a 4 drop and makes tokens rather than a 3 drop card drawer, so take that as you will.
New Ghalta is fantastic for my Yasova Dragonclaw (non cedh obvs) deck because I was just running normal Ghalta as a Natural Order target, so the added bonus of dumping my hand if I have good things to dump turn 3 is great.
Honestly, really loving this set, maybe even my favorite of any relatively recent release - lots of fun new stuff to work with, Xavier Sal in particular seems like a guy I wanna build a couple different decks for because he goes crazy so easily
One thing to note about Permission Denied is it protecting your own winning turn, bc it forces out interaction bc if they don't use it before it resolves they can't use it at all, so kinda flexible but still feels super niche bc channel abilities still work
Orvar is another that would love the kitesail, the blue god that gives instants rebound, and the roamer. Kitesail is just easy repeatable removal thats also flying so easy evasion for a combat kill, and roamer can pop off by making copies of itself plus orvars triggers, and you can name fairy for spellstutter sprite etbs. The blue god can rebound to copy himself to trigger the death transform and it can semi ramp. Plus with the new token rules, you can transform the token lands (that arent legendary) if an op removes the god
Ghalta feels like a potential piece for a Golgari Reanimator deck. Something like you Entomb+Reanimate it after a Peer into the Abyss or something, and drop half the creatures in your deck along with like, a Gray Merchant and just drain everyone out. I know Golgari is in a bit of a rough space currently, but something like that seems, at the very least, pretty cool.
Maybe some instant speed shenanigans with like, discarding a huge chunk of your deck through like, a Necropotence, and popping a Shadow of the Grave to return all your creatures then instant speed reanimating Ghalta for the win? It's a fun theory-craft, and while I think it's bad AS a commander, it feels like it has some fun niche potential.
I am personally super hyped about the Blind Obedience on a body creature for my Stax deck, and am considering running the white Unearth card
Kutzil seems extremely undervalued and potentially even more powerful than he first seems.
A "Silence Effect" with a reasonable minic of Tymna in the command zone is definitely worth looking into to. Perfect stac colors with protection and draw from the command zone.
My first gut punch with ghalta was something that etb bounces creatures to hand with double etbs so ghalta hits, drop bounce creatures, return ghalta and bounce creatures to hand, original ghalta trigger hits putting ghalta and everything back out loop like a wierd mono green flicker combo
Would be sweet if you did a mini podcast on the casual cards you’re putting on your Edgar deck. I’m upgrading mine too!
Always a good day when it's podcast time 😎
4:20 Bartolome allows you to sacrifice Artifacts. That's something you should keep an eye on, could open new lines we don't know yet or may later. Keep an eye on him.
I think chimil, the inner sun helps decks like etali since you can cheat it out with etali then make future spells uncounterable but also provides card advantage with the discover effect, but most importantly i didnt see hunting velociraptor be mentioned but its also an auto include in etali because at 3 mana its easy to get out on turn 1 and by turn 2 you can possibly get etali out for 3 mana rather than 7 and thats nasty also its another card that helps with food chain combos.
Worth mentioning, Craft is exiling from field or grave rather than sacrificing.
While I’m no cedh player by any means I enjoy the discussions on cards from each set, also bought all 5 gods from ixalan for mono color decks gonna be sick!
You guys predicted Blue farm this weekend, like 4-5 decks played both Blind obedience and Dauntless Dismantler at a huge tournament!
Of all of the caves, I actually like Pit of Offerings. Sure it's just Bojuka Bog at home, but can go into any colour deck and can help with fixing.
Chimil may have a pretty good home in Jhoira, Ageless Insight. The ability to get to 6 by t3 isnt asking a lot of her(by either casting her on t1 or having an untap spell). The deck already wants to prolong the game, chimil guarantees you win the counter war as well as replacing the spell at EoT. And then it protects the combo pieces that aren’t uncounterably placed on the battlefield through Jhoiras ability. Im straight up replacing Coveted Jewel for this for at least a dozen games
8:34 Blue Farm is finding a spot for this actually! My pod has found Dauthi to be underwhelming in the deck when you already have so many counter spells and silence effects, and the deck struggles when Dockside lands on an opponents battlefield.
Charismatic Conqueror is pretty darn good in a Stasis deck like Derevi, but that deck would need quite a bit of help to work. Could also be alright in a slower Tymna deck since you'll be on stuff like Grim Hireling anyway.
It's by no means great, but there is definately a niche deck where headbutting 3 tokens into blockers for a "deals combat damage" -trigger is worth it, maybe?
I think Scytheclaw is pretty decent in low color red builds, most specifically ones that can't go off at instant speed. Specifically there's a possibility it allows Shalai and Hallar decks the possibility to go off without having to go to combat. It might take a bit of squinting but it could be worthwhile.
I think you missed how Ragavan also triggers Breeches, its for sure one of the top tier pirates!
Kutzil is perfect for Jetmir. A Stax piece that also means you draw cards when you hit? Love it.
Bartolmew looks interesting curious to see if people maybe experiment with boonweaver giant and Abel combo lines in a stax or maybe even turbo build .
17:00 I feel like Kutzil is great w/ jetmir - protects your turns & you're already attacking with creatures with boosted power so it's like a bad tymna
Been preaching the gospel of Malcolm Kediss since they came out. Decks busted (stop w the breach plan all it doesn’t go here) I was stoked to get the new Breaches but, damn, just had to add the one ring and on and on. I had to cut Breaches before even testing it because of the blue 3 drop pirate (I don’t even have to test that one it’s evasive, it’s very tutorable for us, just obviously gas. But I’m actually considering cutting pro face breaker or one of the two clones to get Breeches in. I’m sure he fits the plan and is just obv good (IF you play enough pirates).
Great video!
There're cards like Burning Earth and Manabards for Ojer, it could be interesting, because stuff like that adds up quickly
Roaming throne enables some things in malcolm with cards like aggravated assault, time sieve, and street urchin
Wayta, Trainer Prodigy + Blazing Sunsteel + any source of indestructible (1 white mana) or indestructible creature lets you win the game. It costs at least 7 generic, Red, two Green, and two White = 14 mana. You don't necessarily have to spend it all at once, but Wayta doesn't buff your ramp spells like Kinnan, so I don't really think this combo will win tournaments as far as I've brewed it.
“I need a cigarette” and couldn’t agree more!
I’m very high in Get Lost in Mad farm, fuels your dockside well. Gets rid of problem creatures, sorcery speed sac on the tokens. I thinks it’s good.
Made it to the end of the video. Still wondering when we are going to finish reading the text of Altar of the Wretched
There’s a lot of really good pieces where I sat here thinking “I have no idea what deck this goes in”, which is better than a majority of the releases this year
The problem with cEDH is that if a card is good enough for that format, there’s a 80% chance it’s too good for another format in which it’s legal.
Brass's Tunnel Grinder also draws your deck with World Gorger Dragon loops
Def a few good ones! Have a great weekend everyone!
41:57 Notably cascade triggers on cast, discover does not. I think the potential to draw the card to save counters/wipes or profit under an opponent's drannith still makes it better, but that's pretty important
Altar of the Wretched is absolutely NUTS in Jund/Mardu Dargo decks
pretty fun in tevesh ishai too lol
Just to point out, dauntless dismantler is amazing on Tayam. You can recurr it with since you sacrifice it :3
oh wow yes!!
Chimil is amazing for Phyrexian heliod imo, you secure you flash win with it being free after 1 wheel effect
The primary issue with Ghalta in cEDH is that it is MUCH easier for most decks to produce infinite mana than it is for them to draw out their libraries. And many existing mana loops already draw cards ass they produce the mana. Ghalta only makes one of those obsolete, so you would still need a way to get your deck into your hand for this to be worthwhile- and since so many mana loops generally are the most efficient ways to draw cards, you would likely still have a ton of ways to produce the mana required to cast everything you want for basically free.
That said, one thing Ghalta does amazingly well is "put creatures into play" instead of casting them. So they aren't as vulnerable to disruption on the stack, and there are likely some stax pieces that Ghalta can play through. Perhaps it would be worth playing Ghalta in some sort of a Yasharn list. I can see an awkward argument for it in Etali too, but I think Etali is far too similar to Kinan for it to be actively beneficial to the deck most of the time.
Ooohhhh, or maybe it DOES belong in a Jund 'Bad-Naus' deck... I've been brewing a Tana/Tevesh list for a little bit now to play a more grindy midrange Jund list lately that might have some potential. Korvold is defaulted to being an incredible commander, so currently I'm trying to find the niche that Tana/Tevesh fills that Korvold and Tymna/Tana Blood Pod doesn't yet.
This is one of the best magic podcasts!!!!!
Also I will test Chimil in Magda for two reasons. a) I draw into combo pieces that get countered a lot and b) I want to pseudocascade instead of card draw
Chimil in godo? Helps protect your spells in mono red and can help dig out helm of the host?
played with charisma vampir last week it gave so many vampires.*
Tishana's Tidebinder is great against the ring as well
with dino dna, you can also exile it from an opponent's graveyard, so if your or an opponent's dockside gets countered, you can steal it from their graveyard
Can bartolome be a artifact/creature stax deck, then you sac the stax pieces when you want to pop off.
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kitesail larcenist seems good in Tivit to make use of extra clues too
Tidebender blanks Tymna, Karum, Esper Sentinel, Tivit, etc to deny value. It also blanks winning lines from artifacts like Grinding Station, aetherflux reservoir, and others.
Surprised you before talked about shutting down the one ring with tidebender while it’s on the field
Regarding to Kutzil… there is something like that white soldier Myrell, shield of Argive…
Kutzil can be searched with non human tutors too. Such as the battle tutor. And one good thing about get lost is it feeds your dockside with map tokens
Also it can get tutored by Green Sun’s Zenith
@@juice17776 good point forgot about that one
This channel got me from casual edh to high power edh (not cedh yet) and i really enjoy how you guys deep dive into all those new cards every set!
What do you think about Quintorius Kand? Ain’t he great for a new way to win with foodchain? #foodchainwinsgames
Kutzil is very interesting for Sisay. You want anyway to stop your opponents on your turn. I play a Displacer Kitten combo in Sisay so I am playing also Teferi. As Teferi is more relevant for the combo Kutzil is more of a second choice. But still good to have :)
She's also safer, since if you don't need Teferi specifically, Kutzil doesn't protect your opponents (if you don't manage to win, for example, and are forced to pass the turn)
I wonder if Roaming Throne could see play in Tivit, especially lists that are also running Consecrated Sphinx…
14:03 even if you don't sac it for mana, it'll untap and can be used later assuming people remove it.
Dont know if you mentioned it, But what about Kutzil in Sisay?
25;00 Roaming can do so much work in so many decks, like humans, you don't even need Winota to make them worthy.
Doesn’t Tishana’s tidebinder turn off the one ring completely until it leaves the field?
My one ring got hit by the kitesail last night in our league game. He was playing tymna / thras.
I'm putting the CatBolisher on my Yasharn deck.
And I was wondering, won't the roaming throne break Winota?
I want to try chimil in dihada and see if I can set up for a last chance into discovering an ad Nauseam win
Honestly surprised you didn't talk about Francisco. Mono Black partner for malcom that's also a pirate? Sounds kinda nice tbh
I feel like you guys didn't see that Tishana's Tidebender turns off the permanent as long as tidebinder is in play. You kept talking about it like a stifle or trickbind but the effect doesn't go away at the end of turn. It's more like a trickbind/pithing needle.
Anything that turns off One Ring these days is playable IMO
The sound of that apostrophe was very apparent after it was explained out loud 😅
A consideration for Kutzil: it's 1 mana cheaper and 1 more color than Myrel to grab with Sisay.
You guys that new ghalta , you have greater good on the field, you cast ghalta, in response to ghalta trigger you sacrifice to greater good to draw 12 and discard 3. You draw a ton of huge things and your board is now awesome lol
Anim Pakal instantly slotted into Cecily/Sophina for a compact artifact generator for Time Sieve
What about playing Kutzil in Najeela? A warrior that has a silence eff, that can be searched with pact.