We talk about it at bit at the end, I would guess cards will drop around 60% in the next few weeks, pretty much across the board. I'll try to do a short in a few weeks to revisit it.
Yeah cause this is preorder prices. None of these are going to hold this high of a value. Some of them will certainly be worth a good penny, but this much? No, not likely. Maybe Ulamog.
Normally around 5-15% of the card will still hold up or go up in price, but the rest will drop harddddddd. We not even talking like 50% drop here, some drop like 70%. The question is which one will stay and which one will drop.
Yeah, we talk about it at the end. If you compare to Modern Horizons 2 it's likely prices will drop like 60% in the next month or so. It's wild how high the prices are currently.
did the math for current prices, didn't count stuff under a dollar. box 1 value $378 box 2 value $398 box 3 value $432 box 4 value $328 box 5 value $290 total value: $1826 don't preorder boxes guys
Bro said he got 4,800 dollars of value and us expecting a 58% decrease how the fuck does 4,800 X 58% equal anywhere near 2800 50 is half and 4800 ➗️ 2 equals 2400 this guy needs to stop playing magic and get his education
I think it would be interesting to revisit this total in a couple of weeks after prices have some amount of validity. At the moment, the prices are whatever people are posting them for.
@florianmazreku3577 you can only get the evoke elementals in the collectors and I think some other cards from old MH sets. Also you can only get serialized in collectors
I didn't realize how inflated all of the jank is at the moment, lol. So many cards that will be $1 or $2 in a few weeks are like $7 or $10 today. It's wild. I only wish I could actually sell the cards at current prices.
New kozilek is actually nuts. In a deck that already has colorless creatures, like eldrazi tron, you don't HAVE to give your opponent the manifest creatures. It's a double anthem for your colorless creatures, and can help push I for damage OR dig for specific answers, giving a bunch of versatility as a big tron creature.
It seems to me that there are further subsets of rarity within the four rarity levels, even when it comes to the lower rarities. I have tons of some uncommon and common cards, with none of some others. In the 15 packs I've opened, I've only gotten a single writhing chrysalis, while I have 6 or 7 Skoa, Embermages. I wish it was the opposite because I actually want to run writhing chrysalis.
@@MidgarMerc not really even standard priced packs can have 3-4 rares in them too. And those boxes are a third the price. This set will tank if value fast sadly. Has a ton of hype and alot of the card will be opened. Market will be flooded causing most of them to crash. Wont be showed if the total price of the set halfs or even quarters within 2 weeks
13:39 each of these boxes is my food budget for thr month. The whole videos worth is considerably more than my rent. I'll be able to do pre-release and a draft or two, but i'm pretty much priced out otherwise
Windswept Heath and Collected Company were reprinted in the Magic Origins Clash Pack. It had Honored Hierarch and Dromoka, the Eternal as the alt art foil cards.
I’m still a strong believer that there are different rarities with in the same rarity. Like I think there are commons that are printed at uncommon levels. So I think there are mythic that are even harder to get than other mythics.
I've watched a bunch of these box openings, but I appreciate your commentary more than anything else. I always go to your spoiler vids because of the insight into the mechanics and potential power of each card, and it's cool to see a bit of that brought to the opening process. Hope to see more!
26:37 Isn't that a Textured Foil Sorin? Certainly looks like it. If so, that's worth about 2x as much. Also, 45:14 - pretty sure that's a Textured Foil Ral, which is $48 ish.
Only buy multiple boxes from the same case unless u pre open one. Because the cards are almost always similar in most of the boxes. It's not always bad either bought 3 eternal masters boxes from the same case. All three had mana crypt, force of will and Jace.
I really enjoyed this video. The prices, although inflated, made the value of the set really pop in a way that was fun to watch. This will come down, but for the time being enjoy those big values and the fun of cracking collector boosters! Also you're right on the new Koz being the weakest, but I like it because it's the only titan that actually works as a sort of lord to your eldrazi.
I'm really surprised and glad how good is Seth's knowledge of math and statistics. You are partially fighting against lots of disinformation, and you are also making consideration and calculation that are very scientific. What an amazing person.
I’ve noticed this with the latest products that I’ve opened. Wizards is not printing equally all the rares and mythics on the setes, which leads to weird availability issues and the wild preorder fluctuations. There’s something weird about it.
Could the tokens of real cards thing be a way of wizards getting around the reserved list in the future? If they printed black lotus tokens I'm sure ppl would use them as proxies even though they are slightly thinner than normal cards
I listened to Mark Rosewater's podcast once when he talked about the design of Future Sight and how they designed Grandeur as a safety valve for drawing too many of your legendary creatures. But the 5 creatures it was printed on were not constructed playable for the most part, and it almost never came up in Limited because they were all rares. I guess the common legend is kind of a reference to that. Since it's a common you can now build around Grandeur in Limited and the mechanic will finally have its moment to shine a little.
If it's true that these boxes will be worth $2800 in a few months, that implies that box prices will increase by about $160 each. Edit: referring to the price discussion at 1:06:10.
Hey Seth, I would put Tarmogoyf Nest in my Rhys The Redeemed Squirrel Commander Deck for Infinite Tarmagoyf Token with Earthcraft as an alternative token win condition. Your thoughts? I'm also going to re-build my Mirri commander deck and with the new Ajani and the cat cards from this set.
I'd think Windswept Heath would also be the worst because it doesn't fetch Mystic Sanctuary, doesn't fetch Dwarven Mine, and isn't in black for Bowmasters.
Yeah my guess would have been it is the only fetch that isn't in at least one Grixis color, though "there are theoretically more of them for X reason" is a pretty obvious safe guess to cost anomalies.
Bristly Bill seems like a fun commander. My current +1/+1 counters deck is Hamza, Guardian of Arashin, which is also really fun, as you can have some really explosive turns where you play a bunch of creatures. It's not quite Elfball, but it's definitely a creature storm commander.
Do you think some rares and mythic have weigthed chances of showing off? It might be dumb luck, but it feels that lately some rares, which casually are the lower end ones, show waaay more than others, which are casually the hyped expensives ones. I opened a bunch of baldurs gate packs and got like zero ancient dragons but a bunch of copies of bulk mythics and rares. I know luck is a big factor, but feels weird xD
For just about every set, I only play in the prerelease and make no other set purchases. Prerelease pack lets me open 6 packs from the set, which I think is a reasonable limit. That said, this prerelease is going to sting at $60.
Is there any evidence that the pull rates for mythics/rares are the same for all mythics/rares? Or is it just an assumption that each mythic should appear at the same rate across boxes?
I wonder if the boxes all came from the same store. If printing of rarity of cards is uniform then maybe distribution ends up impacting the cards you see??
I'm really hoping old bordered fetches drop a bit, I need old bordered Bloodstained Mire for my Asmor Hollow One deck, I'm going for a fully retro frame modern deck, and I'm so close.
Please please please do a second review of prices in two weeks to a month. Just to show how insanely crazy fomo prices are. Do the total difference and highlight the biggest changes up or down. Love watching your stuff.
Throughout the video the amount that was spent got revealed to be lower and lower than initially noted, it went from $2000 to $1900 to $1875 (noted at 18:35)
Can easily -500$ each box for "reasonable" non-pre-order prices, and it would still be positive. So the cards opened was good, much of the stronger mythics, more expensive special versions and plenty of fetchlands (should be ~5 per box).
Pattern recognition is real but, yeah, that was a strangely consistent set of boxes. Doesn't necessarily mean anything about the set distribution as a whole but it definitely feels like you 'beat the odds' on this.
Gonna wait for the new Kaalia art to drop and get that since they aren't really the chase cards in this set. Even within the reprint. I just have the cheapest version rn
I haven't bought any MH3 physical cards, as they're too expensive for me, as are most Magic cards, but I did buy the preorder on Arena. I'm excited for these cards in Brawl (especially Grist in Sidisi, Witch Enchanter in Emiel, and Goblin Soultrader in Chatterfang), and I'm thinking of building K'rrik, Kaalia, and Herrigast.
This entire video is the best possible example of how stupid pre-order prices for Magic cards are.
yeah srsly i wish i could get early pre orders sheesh
What were those prices?
Yea that preorder inflation is crazyb
Yea that preorder inflation is crazy should def have an update to this vid in a month
Yeah, it's absurd.
Seth, please make a short like two weeks after set release to compare prices
We talk about it at bit at the end, I would guess cards will drop around 60% in the next few weeks, pretty much across the board. I'll try to do a short in a few weeks to revisit it.
Yeah, looking forward to that but the Serialized on this will go up up up.
At buylist prices.
Yeah this would be great to see the comparison, maybe even 3 months out as well. Periodic updates on price avg drops.
I would love to see the price difference, and a short is a great quick way to show it!
these prices seems so inflated
Because the set isn't out yet. Prices lower when more packs are opened.
Yeah cause this is preorder prices. None of these are going to hold this high of a value.
Some of them will certainly be worth a good penny, but this much? No, not likely.
Maybe Ulamog.
Normally around 5-15% of the card will still hold up or go up in price, but the rest will drop harddddddd. We not even talking like 50% drop here, some drop like 70%.
The question is which one will stay and which one will drop.
Yeah, we talk about it at the end. If you compare to Modern Horizons 2 it's likely prices will drop like 60% in the next month or so. It's wild how high the prices are currently.
Yeah preorder prices are pretty much a scam on all fronts
did the math for current prices, didn't count stuff under a dollar.
box 1 value $378
box 2 value $398
box 3 value $432
box 4 value $328
box 5 value $290
total value: $1826
don't preorder boxes guys
Thank u
This should be top comment
Bro said he got 4,800 dollars of value and us expecting a 58% decrease how the fuck does 4,800 X 58% equal anywhere near 2800 50 is half and 4800 ➗️ 2 equals 2400 this guy needs to stop playing magic and get his education
“We’re opening up $2000 worth of cards!”
Wow, so he’s opening 20 booster box… oh, wait.
This man hit me right in the feels and also yes
I think it would be interesting to revisit this total in a couple of weeks after prices have some amount of validity. At the moment, the prices are whatever people are posting them for.
No way these prices hold.
Because the set isn't out yet. Prices lower when more packs are opened.
I was thinking the same thing! But singles should be good. Kinda mad my old cards are just plummeting to no value.
i dont get the collector boosters. i always have more value with normal boosters somehow
are there cards you can only get in collectors ?
@florianmazreku3577 you can only get the evoke elementals in the collectors and I think some other cards from old MH sets. Also you can only get serialized in collectors
Man throw me one of the Esper’s lol
It’s crazy how a box of this is now like 420$-500$ but the value has gone down like 70% from the prices in this video
How you treat your stacks of cards deals physical damage to me
i was looking for this
I love seeing pack ripping content, something was bothering me and its the *ffft fffft* of the cards edges battling every single pull 😂
What about how he bent the Ajani and bowed it forward from side pressure? I was cringing.
Poison counters
I think it’s perfect 😂
It amazes me how you're able to touch every single card face with all 10 of your fingers without fail lmao
It's a skill, what can I say? ;)
🤣
Seth not knowing most of the prices and thinking most are jank…
I didn't realize how inflated all of the jank is at the moment, lol. So many cards that will be $1 or $2 in a few weeks are like $7 or $10 today. It's wild. I only wish I could actually sell the cards at current prices.
I personally fucking hate the art. A deer head with a purple background? wtf is going on over there
@@MTGGoldfish i'd love to see this exact video once again in a month, the only change being the updated prices.
@@MTGGoldfishhow though? It’s handy even released and should automatically assume that the prices are very inflated.
Honestly, he probably just knows what the prices are going to be.
The way Seth organizes these packs after opening them triggers so much fucking anxiety. I can barely watch lol.
he has the manual dexterity of a pitbull
You own none of this, imagine all the valuable cards getting wrecked every day, relax my friend ❤
@@jeffe2267 Triggers me so much too :O
45:15 that ral is the expensive one (0471 - Textured Foil Borderless)
New kozilek is actually nuts. In a deck that already has colorless creatures, like eldrazi tron, you don't HAVE to give your opponent the manifest creatures. It's a double anthem for your colorless creatures, and can help push I for damage OR dig for specific answers, giving a bunch of versatility as a big tron creature.
The fact you opened six Sixes is just so funny, thanks for the video!
The distribution of these rares and mythics are is so weird. I don't remember the other horizon sets being like that
Yeah, me either, that's one of the things that stood out most about these boxes.
How so?
@@aqswd6825 Just a lot more duplicates than in previous horizon sets. Not just in this vid but other boxes my friend opened
I go 13 mythics out of my Play Booster Box. That was insane. 2 Mythics were duplicates. I had two Ajanis in one deck
It seems to me that there are further subsets of rarity within the four rarity levels, even when it comes to the lower rarities. I have tons of some uncommon and common cards, with none of some others. In the 15 packs I've opened, I've only gotten a single writhing chrysalis, while I have 6 or 7 Skoa, Embermages. I wish it was the opposite because I actually want to run writhing chrysalis.
$2000 for 60 packs is insane
Yeah, even for Magic players the cost of this set is insane. We're used to things being stupidly expensive, but $2k for five boxes is something else.
Each pack has 4 rares so I guess you can see it like opening 240 packs lol
@@MidgarMerc not really even standard priced packs can have 3-4 rares in them too. And those boxes are a third the price. This set will tank if value fast sadly. Has a ton of hype and alot of the card will be opened. Market will be flooded causing most of them to crash. Wont be showed if the total price of the set halfs or even quarters within 2 weeks
@@MidgarMerc Really? That's cool, I remember when each booster pack only had 1 rare. Mythics weren't a thing. I'm just getting back into it.
@donovangray8949 not true. Play boosters have 60 percent chance of one rare, 37 percent chance of 2 and like 3 percent of 3 or more.
Holy Pre-Release prices, Batman!
I guess looking at prerelease prices help people Cope for actually paying 400 for a box
My LGS has boxes for 500$ lmao
13:39 each of these boxes is my food budget for thr month. The whole videos worth is considerably more than my rent. I'll be able to do pre-release and a draft or two, but i'm pretty much priced out otherwise
Assuming that prices fall by half after the official release, I predict you make exactly $2000 back from these $2000 worth of boxes.
Windswept Heath and Collected Company were reprinted in the Magic Origins Clash Pack. It had Honored Hierarch and Dromoka, the Eternal as the alt art foil cards.
I love calling the blue Magus "Flood Moon" and you can't stop me
They'll do that in MH4
Agreed.
only buying singles and only after the prices drop.
I’m still a strong believer that there are different rarities with in the same rarity. Like I think there are commons that are printed at uncommon levels. So I think there are mythic that are even harder to get than other mythics.
Shakiest hands in the west 😂.
Love the early openings though Seth I clicked this shit so fast.
Keep these coming would ya?
Thanks!
I've watched a bunch of these box openings, but I appreciate your commentary more than anything else. I always go to your spoiler vids because of the insight into the mechanics and potential power of each card, and it's cool to see a bit of that brought to the opening process. Hope to see more!
Using preorder prices to try and find value is pretty dumb. These prices will be cut in half
You're right. Seth should have just put "?????" for every single card.
He shoulda just predicted what they would end up at huh?
@@mjb552or waited to release the video and edit in the prices until after release
@@TheCommandSpherewhy only wait until release? Wait 2-6 years so that prices are stable, since that's what you care about
he mentioned that in the video lol
26:37 Isn't that a Textured Foil Sorin? Certainly looks like it. If so, that's worth about 2x as much.
Also, 45:14 - pretty sure that's a Textured Foil Ral, which is $48 ish.
Only buy multiple boxes from the same case unless u pre open one. Because the cards are almost always similar in most of the boxes. It's not always bad either bought 3 eternal masters boxes from the same case. All three had mana crypt, force of will and Jace.
could we get a preorder vs 2 weeks after set release comparison?
Hey no worries Seth, I saw you opened a bunch of Polluted Deltas, you can just send me the extras, no need to keep more than one right? ;)
I think a lot of the repeats we're seeing have to do with which cards are available in which slot. It really screws up pack opening
Watch Seth try to open these packs is driving my anxiety to new heights
Is it because he handles then like an absolute animal and bends them?
Seth, how many cards from these openings do you typically keep and how many do you buylist to Card Conduit?
I really enjoyed this video. The prices, although inflated, made the value of the set really pop in a way that was fun to watch. This will come down, but for the time being enjoy those big values and the fun of cracking collector boosters!
Also you're right on the new Koz being the weakest, but I like it because it's the only titan that actually works as a sort of lord to your eldrazi.
Looks like the Sorin from box 3 may have been textured. Kind of hard to tell 26:54
I wonder if it's a coalation issue, or if Wizards is purposely over/under printing certain rares again.
26:35 That Sorin (#470) is the textured version as well as the Ral (#471) at 45:13
Arena of Glory feels like a great reason to revist your T3 Boar God Kills deck
the Ral in box 4 i think is a textured at around 45:20
I'm really surprised and glad how good is Seth's knowledge of math and statistics. You are partially fighting against lots of disinformation, and you are also making consideration and calculation that are very scientific. What an amazing person.
I’ve noticed this with the latest products that I’ve opened. Wizards is not printing equally all the rares and mythics on the setes, which leads to weird availability issues and the wild preorder fluctuations. There’s something weird about it.
I would love to see an updated value a month after release. Break even maybe??
50:35 What IS going on in that art? And when? And where? And why? And how? Such are the fundamentally unanswerable questions of the Eldrazi
Could the tokens of real cards thing be a way of wizards getting around the reserved list in the future? If they printed black lotus tokens I'm sure ppl would use them as proxies even though they are slightly thinner than normal cards
At 26:36 - I don't know if you used the right pricing in the editing but the Sorin is a textured Foil (Number 470)
How come they all make "revenue" when opening collector packs. It does not make sense
I listened to Mark Rosewater's podcast once when he talked about the design of Future Sight and how they designed Grandeur as a safety valve for drawing too many of your legendary creatures. But the 5 creatures it was printed on were not constructed playable for the most part, and it almost never came up in Limited because they were all rares. I guess the common legend is kind of a reference to that. Since it's a common you can now build around Grandeur in Limited and the mechanic will finally have its moment to shine a little.
Skoa is common for limited [draft] shenanigans I assume. Low key hoping I can get like 5 of them in the draft i end up doing this weekend.
I'm appreciate you including the price decrease 2-4 weeks after it releases.
Love the mass opening thanks Seth for giving us an early look.
I couldn't wait! The set is super sweet.
Being completely serious, how can I buy one of those polluted deltas from u. I need one for a CEDH deck I'm cooking up.
If it's true that these boxes will be worth $2800 in a few months, that implies that box prices will increase by about $160 each. Edit: referring to the price discussion at 1:06:10.
They will be worth much, much, much less, it will be around 30-35% of the actual prices
I’ve seen a lot of collector boosters beeing opened but not a single serialised card.
I checked; there are no serialized cards in MH3 😂
@@timw9745 only certain eldrazi are serialized and super-rare !
Hey Seth, I would put Tarmogoyf Nest in my Rhys The Redeemed Squirrel Commander Deck for Infinite Tarmagoyf Token with Earthcraft as an alternative token win condition. Your thoughts? I'm also going to re-build my Mirri commander deck and with the new Ajani and the cat cards from this set.
I'd think Windswept Heath would also be the worst because it doesn't fetch Mystic Sanctuary, doesn't fetch Dwarven Mine, and isn't in black for Bowmasters.
Yeah my guess would have been it is the only fetch that isn't in at least one Grixis color, though "there are theoretically more of them for X reason" is a pretty obvious safe guess to cost anomalies.
Verdant Catacombs was the Fetch in the Modern Premade Deck btw.
All the evoke elementals are all prebanned in historic and I am not sure about timeless
Man, Messing around on mono green in Arena Brawl with Bristly Bill is so fucking fun. Glad to see more Landfall types.
Bristly Bill seems like a fun commander. My current +1/+1 counters deck is Hamza, Guardian of Arashin, which is also really fun, as you can have some really explosive turns where you play a bunch of creatures. It's not quite Elfball, but it's definitely a creature storm commander.
You could sac your One ring to crabomination for the discount and so the ring doesn't kill you. Just a thought
Do you think some rares and mythic have weigthed chances of showing off? It might be dumb luck, but it feels that lately some rares, which casually are the lower end ones, show waaay more than others, which are casually the hyped expensives ones. I opened a bunch of baldurs gate packs and got like zero ancient dragons but a bunch of copies of bulk mythics and rares. I know luck is a big factor, but feels weird xD
Yeah. It feels like the pack knows what you want and doesn't give it. I opened so many Brothers War and didn't get a single helm of the host
For just about every set, I only play in the prerelease and make no other set purchases. Prerelease pack lets me open 6 packs from the set, which I think is a reasonable limit.
That said, this prerelease is going to sting at $60.
Is there any evidence that the pull rates for mythics/rares are the same for all mythics/rares? Or is it just an assumption that each mythic should appear at the same rate across boxes?
Lmao, I love it, Seth saying box1 didn’t feel absurd as I set here with my eyes bleeding at the pre order single prices 😂😂😂
I wonder if the boxes all came from the same store. If printing of rarity of cards is uniform then maybe distribution ends up impacting the cards you see??
I am thinking of getting into collecting and maybe start playing. Any set you recommend to start with and such.
It would be interesting to open 1800 worth of play boosters and see how it compares.
The Ral at 45:15 is actually Rainbow Foil / Textured Foil ;)
I'm really hoping old bordered fetches drop a bit, I need old bordered Bloodstained Mire for my Asmor Hollow One deck, I'm going for a fully retro frame modern deck, and I'm so close.
Are the boxes serial numbers close to each other?
Was this from a “sealed” case
It would be cool to see you revisit your box openings to see how prices changes over time, would definitely be a video i would be interested to watch.
Please please please do a second review of prices in two weeks to a month. Just to show how insanely crazy fomo prices are. Do the total difference and highlight the biggest changes up or down. Love watching your stuff.
I purchased all boxes but the Collector. Plan on getting at least one a few weeks after the pricing settles.
I think the real old border fetches are so expensive. So it gives us access to them at a cheaper price point.
Throughout the video the amount that was spent got revealed to be lower and lower than initially noted, it went from $2000 to $1900 to $1875 (noted at 18:35)
I know I’m not the only one 30:40 WHAT IS THE CARD BEHIND AJANI SETH . U CANT DO THIS TO ME SETH
26:49 isn't that a textured sorin?
Also 45:16
Can easily -500$ each box for "reasonable" non-pre-order prices, and it would still be positive.
So the cards opened was good, much of the stronger mythics, more expensive special versions and plenty of fetchlands (should be ~5 per box).
but then you have to consider that he has to sell his cards, and once a shop gives him half value, he'll end up with probably 40-60% of value.
With crazy preorder prices I'm guessing the total across 5 boxes will be $3500.
If I got into Modern, I'd run a Yawgmoth list with Green Flare !
Young Wolf into Double Flare seems HILARIOUS ! ! !
its crazy how much the prices have dropped
Invert Polarity is fine however it reminds me of a card I'd love to see some love in EDH [or cEDH] and that is: Odds // Ends [Dissension]
Seth doing his Rosheen cosplay on camera ;)
Seth I'm pretty sure that Ral flip walker was textured at 45:17
Ohh, I just checked, I think your right. That's like the $60 version! Sweet.
Pauper is low key being pushed with this set, and I'm glad because it's my favorite format besides legacy and commander.
You should sign those Wheel of Potentials.
They'd make cool keepsakes.
Edit: The Eladamri-ing will continue until you say his name right.
Yes. Same video with updated prices. That would be an interesting video.
18:36 "I think I can see it getting banned" I was laughing so hard when I heard that
So, Seth? are these for your collection? or, are these for CardKingdom? I wish I can get these... Lol
Wanted to get the Eldrazi precon, but the price of it is ridiculous compared to the others. Hope supply keeps up and the price comes down.
Pattern recognition is real but, yeah, that was a strangely consistent set of boxes. Doesn't necessarily mean anything about the set distribution as a whole but it definitely feels like you 'beat the odds' on this.
It was in a modern pre-constructed deck Windswept Heath
Gonna wait for the new Kaalia art to drop and get that since they aren't really the chase cards in this set. Even within the reprint. I just have the cheapest version rn
Eladrami??
the reason skoa is common is so it does anything at all in limited
I haven't bought any MH3 physical cards, as they're too expensive for me, as are most Magic cards, but I did buy the preorder on Arena. I'm excited for these cards in Brawl (especially Grist in Sidisi, Witch Enchanter in Emiel, and Goblin Soultrader in Chatterfang), and I'm thinking of building K'rrik, Kaalia, and Herrigast.
holy moly how are you opening your packs man O.o
Windswept Heath was a 1-of in a precon and is thus more affordable than the rest of the fetches.
Commenting at 6min in - my guess is maybe 2500$ of value, so around 100$ in value per box above cost. Excited to see how it pans out.