I have the Jailbird, but replaced the grip with a Lab-golf forward press grip.. a truely wonderful putter, that really has improved my putting significantly. The white hot Ai insert isa favorite since many years and the length consistency of that insert makes it very easy to get the right tempo.
Lucky you. Still 0 C (and below) here in SW Ohio, USA, although hopeful for a warm-up soon. Enjoy the weather, Andy, and thanks for another great video. I am a DF3 guy since the end of last year's golf season. Indeed, the most important club in the bag!
Had my first 9 holes of the year on Sunday. Adlington in Cheshire. Very wet underfoot but brilliant greens. Good to use the Mezz1 again. Happy golfing Andy.
I've opted for the Square to Square and (so far) have found the technology to benefit my admittedly spotty performances on the green. A not insignificant part of opting for this manifestation of "zero torque" was price. Since I'm still on the upward leg of the learning course for this sport, making the stretch of expense to go with Lab doesn't seem prudent, while the Callaway's price point gets me closer perhaps than non-zero torque offerings. In any event, I'm happy with this particular stick. That said, it should be pointed out that Callaway's product does, like the Lab putters, require a forward press. However, it doesn't use the grip to accommodate that requirement, instead the forward press has to be accomplished by a conscious forward lean of the club. It takes a bit of getting used to, to say the least. Great vid as always!
Seems to me that a hand built specific to the user bespoke putter for £500 seems pretty good value. Certainly better than the newest shiny driver that the masses salivate over every release cycle
I tried both the DF3 and Square to Square and liked both for the reduced torque they had. And there is significant price differences with the Square being more in my budget. But the Square just felt too light to me and I felt like I had to hit harder on longer distances. The DF3 felt heavier in my hands but I was able to lag putt with less effort. Fortunately I found a DF3, used, for $325 and purchased it. But it had a reverse taper grip on it which I liked on my Odyssey Eleven but not so much on the DF3. Replaced with the Lab 3 degree press grip and am very happy with it. Thanks for your review of these and the comparison. It’s so good to have options and choices available. I think the Square to Square is going to be a huge success because of the price and different heads, but maybe could be a little heavier. I do value your opinion, thanks for sharing it.
I think there's a good chance the square to square 7 will be a birthday present this year. Have been looking at these a lot. The Lab is just out of my $$ range. I think I'm drinking the Koolaid and believing these things can help with putting, but I really have a hard time sensing it when I putt with them. The forward leaning shaft feels so strange to me, but I assume I'd adapt. Glad to see the weather improving - I think I'm ready for spring. Thanks for the video!
Hi Andy, I purchased the LAB DF3 last January. All I can tell you about my experience is, it took 3 months to get used to and when I did it transformed my consistency on the greens. I read greens pretty well but always found distance control an issue with a 2 way miss, often leaving a 25' foot putt 6 feet short or blasting it 8 feet passed. With the LAB, my lag putting from 30 feet and inside is fantastic and the bonus is I make 8 outta 10 inside 8 feet. This has reduced my handicap over the season by 3.4 shots and I consider the LAB to be the best money I've spent on golf. I'm aware the club itself is not a magic wand but the feeling of confidence once I had a few good rounds with it grew and grew which created trust in the club. Now I consider myself a good putter where, prior to LAB I always considered myself a very inconsistent putter. Great Vid 👍
Got my DF3 and I’d imagine the Oz is similar. Really made a huge difference in my putting. I feel like I can make most of my putts or be able to lag one to tap in range. It may be the placebo effect or not but I’m excited to be putting as I feel that I have a big leg up against my playing buddies.
The Bettinardi "Antidote" seems to strike a nice balance, for me at least, between the Odyssey and the DF3. Waiting to try the Oz when it hits retail. Good comparison video, thanks for posting it.
Hi Andy, great video and as you say it’s an informative video and your own opinion. I have just taken delivery of a DF3 and I’m old enough and wise enough to know that it’s not a magic wand but what I hope it does for me is give me more consistency over the rounds. LAB Golf in my opinion seems to all about this zero torque and from what I’ve tested the product is very good. Callaway square to square is an excellent product also but just not for me but it will definitely help some others. We need to pay more attention on our putters because it’s the most used club in the bag. We think nothing of spending £4/500 on a driver and then any putter will do but it’s the club that can save most shots. Keep em videos coming 🤙
Good stuff Andy. Can’t wait until the Oz gets to my local store, I have tried the square to square and the DF3, and for me it was an absolute landslide win for the DF3. Wasn’t even close. I recommend everyone give them a test, as their results could be different than mine. I am going to wait to try the Oz, but I am betting I still go with the DF3.
I bought the Jailbird square to square and I purchased a LAB press 3° grip for it... its superb. The press grip makes set-up more consistent than having to work out the forward press amount for yourself
Recently toured the LAB HQ (October) . Played a round of golf with Sam (CEO)… got fit for the new Oz1i ….. I can assure you the amount of work done to build a putter made specifically for your personal tendencies , is nothing a company like Callaway would ever consider. I now possess my new LAB Oz1i and after one month of practice and playing with it , it is the real deal. I am a 1 index player and have always been a good putter, however , this has made me a great putter. I believe people underestimate the ability to be for with something that is specific to you and your game. If getting better doesn’t interest you then maybe it’s not worth the $. I 💯beleive this is not a gimmick and could help all golfers of all levels. Just depends on how serious you are at reducing strokes per round over time. Liked the review.
@ that’s a tough call in limited rounds however I can say my rolls for pace , speed and direction have improved on a more consistent basis…I have experienced my lowest putts per round being 22, with this putter….over 40 yrs of golf my previous low was 24/round…my round averages have definitely dropped . Many more tap ins for pars and and more birdies /round than normal. When you take pressure away from your putter, your confidence grows throughout your bag and your proximity to the hole gets closer which leads to more birdies opportunities, which leads to more birdies. Hope that helps answer your question.
I’ve thought about getting a lab press grip for my odyssey double wide. Do I need to have them add loft to the putter as well or can that grip just be put on?
I’ve been struggling with pace control on the greens for a while. Got the square to square jailbird and I’ve dropped my 3 putts dramatically. It definitely helps me a lot with face control
Interesting thing on the price thing Andy, I just got fitted at a pga store in the US and paid $449 plus tax, total $478 for a DF3 so at todays exchange about £380 GBP and bought it home in my golf bag. So again in the UK we are being ripped off, cos it doesn’t cost £200 per putter to ship a crate from LAB in Oregon that’s for sure.
I will echo what others have said about switching out the square-to-square stock grip for a LAB 3 degree press grip. I think it really does improve the performance of the Odyssey putter. Maybe it's in my head, but the putter also feels a little heavier now, too. I wonder if the Odyssey stock grip weighs a little more than the LAB press grip.
Gary Martin said that, to use the square to square putter, you must add shaft lean yourself. I guess they didn't figure out how to get around Lab's patents.
Currently gaming the oz.1 custom orange. love it. had the jail bird square to square... went with the oz so i could get the zero shaft lean option. game changer for me. hate forward press shafts. also the new insert feels like a scotty vs the bouncy ai insert.
I bought the callaway on release day and love it. Feels incredible. I was always a very decent putter with in 10 feet anyway but what I’ve noticed with this the long putts in getting a lot closer now. Think when hitting it harder I went a bit wayward and strike wasn’t good so pace not good. Now getting them a lot closer form distance, even dropping a few. Can’t recommend it enough. It does need a slight change of technique though with the forward press
Ive bought the Jailbird but haven't used it yet, I'm working away from home but I get home in 10 days time but really looking forward to using it. Hopefully it will save me a few shots per round.
I found the Odyssey's light when i tested them. Oddly the double wide felt heavier despite being the same head weight. Here's a little nugget of info...each model odyssey square to square putters have a weights that differ heel and toe. I think theres a 10g difference on the double wide and a 20g difference on the jailbird and #7. When increasing the head weight with heavier weights which are widely available on ebay, then you must keep the weight differnce the same between the heel and toe weights, otherwise it becomes unbalanced. Ive ordered the Jailbird, will get some heavier weights then add lead tape equally as well.
Personally I consider the Zero torque concept to be more marketing and a retread of an old concept. There is a reason why centre shafted putters have never been popular. But that is just my opinion and is based on my putter swing. My only recommendation is that you get a custom fit for your putter. If the custom fit demonstrates that one of these putters is the right one for you then get that putter.
I've bought the jailbird one. Just having to get used to how much slower it feels off the face than my Scotty select. Leaving a lot of long putts short. Working out forward press taking some time as well
I owned a LAB DF 2.1 loved the tech and it was amazing on 6ft or less putts but I really struggled with distance control so I moved on. Odyssey came along. I have the jailbird S2S. I added a piece of lead tape to the bottom and I now love it. I was also able to try all three Odyssey models from my pro shop and its costs a huge amount less. You can try the odyssey’s in most pro shops. You can’t with LAB and the cost difference is huge. This is why I think odyssey will take over from LAB. One other comment I’ll make. With e Odyssey white face you can see if you’ve got the right forward lean. If you see the white face you need more lean.
If you’re looking for weight then I highly recommend the Jailbird Cruiser. It might not be torque free but the weight and counterbalancing means it stays, for me, as square as a DF3.
I have just bought the S2S #7. I tried both but I’ve been playing the versa #7 for a few years and the Lab was too big a change. Going from the Versa #7 to the S2S version was really easy and improved my distance control almost instantly. Still doesn’t help me pick the right line though 😂
I’m on the fence for my next purchase between driver and putter. Love the LAB concept, tried one and loved the feel. But, I’m not terrible with my 15 year old Newport. There’s arguably more upside replacing my 10 year old Driver with something more forgiving.
Andy good vid mate it appears now these tyoes of putters are appearing more and more...my issue mate is i hate centre shafted putters and mallets😂 i use an evenroll 2.1 anser style and enjoy it ...would be interesting to test them but like i said mate its the centre shaft i cant stand 🤷 the fwd press must be odd for most golfers
Agree re Square to Square, I picked it up and put it back very quickly-too light by far. And I had been waiting for it to come out. I feel you need the weight for the tech to work, but that’s just me.
Hey, in a non related question, I have this shot where my drive shoots off to the left at a 30° angle. It is dead straight, no hook and the ball flight is perfect. Alignment seems good, Contact feels good.. I do this at least twice per round. Any idea what causes this. I hit 8 fairways today, and am normally close to the fairway with driver, so my driver is mostly ok.
Would you consider the OZ instead of the OZi which isn't the insert version tested, as an alternative to the DF3 ? Do you feel the OZi was as stable as the DF3? I currently game the DF2.1 and fancy a change.
Hi Andy, I believe the insert on the OZ1i is a steel insert as the body is aluminium, the OZ1 with no insert is an aluminium body. Steel should be faster off the face than off the aluminium. While I agree we use the putters the most, the cost feels exorbitant. Offering up charge for graphite shafts to reduce flex? Just how much flex is there at the pace of a normal stroke. Would this putter save you 5 shots a round? Good putters can putt with almost anything as it’s about line, pace and stroke consistency. Having said that I am tempted to go to stockists of these to actually try LAB out
i have the jail bird square to square and am realy struggling not to hit it left the roll is outstanding and the distance control is great jusy read the below comment about puting a forward press putter grip on i will have to try this it may take away thay push to the left
Correct ✅ stainless steel insert,, not aluminium as articulated in the video, and it has a firmer feel off the face, not softer than other LAB putters in their range.
so in Canada the LAB DF3 with an accara shaft is around 1000-1100 canadian where the square to square is 399 canadian I still think the Callaway will find its way in my bag LAB is just a bit steep for me to justify great video Andy thx for doing it cheers from Vulcan Canada
Well, a few thoughts first you’re right everybody seems to spend lots of money on their driver, which they use about 16 times around versus their putter which on average I would imagine people use 40 times around or more. I got fitted earlier this year and I had been using a Scottie a great piece of kit, but I did much better with the lab putter. I ended up getting the lab blade putter because I couldn’t get over the size of the other models even though the pro doing my fitting suggested that I would be best with the 2.1 in any event the switch from the Scottie to the blade lab drop my pets around by 3 1/2. Couple of weeks ago I went in he said how’s the lab working out I said great he goes you know you really should be in a bigger head putter. You’d be doing much better if you went to the 2.1 I said really he said well I play the 2.1. It’s made a big difference in my game And I’m a scratch golfer. I’ve saved about one and a half strokes around since switching well that significant for a scratch golfer, but I’m a high handicap guy. I won’t embarrass myself by telling you how high my handicap is anyway we did a fitting with my new lab and the 2.1 and I sunk eight out of 10 pots With the blade and 10 out of 10 with a 2.1. I ordered and got the 2.1 have not used it on the course yet I asked him about the Odyssey. He said try it. I did thanks. Six out of 10 pots. He looked at me. He said you know I don’t like the badmouth Golf equipment and clearly it comes in at a price point, but it’s really a piece of junk. He said you know if you got a small budget it’s not that bad but given how much you spend on a driver or irons or wedges you should probably invest your most money into a putter cause it’s the club that will make the biggest difference. You’ve already bought two high-end putters. He gave me a good trade-in value on my lab blade and I bought for 2.1. thanks for your review. Love your channel. You do great work.
This is my current dilemma. The putter needs upgrading but with innovations like lab, you have to feel like all the big brands are going to do something similar over the next 12 months.
Unless you’re someone who changes all the time it’s worth spending the money on the right putter. Especially for just a few hundred dollars. Even someone who doesn’t play a ton (twice a month) makes a couple thousand putts over a three year period.
Agree putter should have greater consideration for players . . . . I bought LAB DF3 after a bespoke fitting and love it . . . . I am now having to explain your lunacy at suggesting that buying new kit does not improve your game . . . Write that stuff down, never, never say it out loud as sometimes the wife listens
It’s a contraption you fix a putter inside, and allows you to make a putting stroke whilst holding on to the revealer. If your putter is lie angle balanced, the head of the putter will remain square throughout the stroke (the putter head will not rotate). If your putter is either a face balanced or toe angle balanced putter (normal putter) the putter head will spin around like crazy inside the revealer whilst you make a putting stroke
sadly, I'm in the category of golfer who doesnt buy new products, I'm probably buying equipment when they're a year or two old. I game an original 2ball which I love. Great head to head review though.
I may be the odd man out on this but I've tried the square to square and like every odyssey I've ever tried it feels awful. I haven't gotten the chance to try the oz1 but I'm excited to. I wish I didn't hate Callaway lol but both looks and especially feel just has never been there for me . I do agree as hard as it is to get past the price for a putter its the most important and used club in the bag so its worth an investment.
I am a +2 golfer never ever had a putter fit, but did for the lab putters and tried the square 2 square not even comparable though I do believe lab have a niche in product offering and service. I have ordered oz.1. Blue head black Accra shaft and spec specific to me! Great video and good insight, the biggest variable is cost and commitment, I do think if you are looking for a quick fix square 2 square is a cheap alternative but won’t solve long term issues because of the quality / components compared to a bespoke lab. Take your time with a purchase and weigh up pros vs cons. For me missing putts within 10 foot and under with current gamer has meant change due to lost shot opportunities. Interested to see a video about new drivers vs older driver with correct shaft non stock for people to see and understand! Happy to be the guinea pig if ever required!
Hated the Jailbird. Seemed cheaply made. (too) Light, not 100% sure its really a Lie angle balanced putter or a more centre shafted. But the price is spot on. Thats my 2cents
I want the DF3, bad. I don't like the look of the jailbird. I haven't considered the oz1, but i've tried the df3 a few times and am saving up. Or selling a kidney cause damn . . .
Not one putter is worth over $199. None. I use a Ping Zing ($35 off Craigslist) and a Kirkland. Rarely any three-putts. I barely practice, as well. Sorry, not buying it. Ridiculous.
Totally agree! I bounce between a Meridian Charleston demo (paid $125) and a Rife center shaft Barbados (paid $70 on eBay). I enjoy both and green speeds dictate which I use. After you find a reasonably priced putter you like, PRACTICE! Practice is free.
Thanks so much for another honest, and simple comparison of two excellent putters.
LAB has set the market and I don’t think it will change. I bought the DF3 and saw immediate results, big difference was consistency.
They set the market for over priced, insanely ugly putters, that no one wants. That’s all. Lol
I have the Jailbird, but replaced the grip with a Lab-golf forward press grip.. a truely wonderful putter, that really has improved my putting significantly. The white hot Ai insert isa favorite since many years and the length consistency of that insert makes it very easy to get the right tempo.
I need a zero torque driver !!
Now that’s what Lab need to work on think how much they would charge for that
Lucky you. Still 0 C (and below) here in SW Ohio, USA, although hopeful for a warm-up soon. Enjoy the weather, Andy, and thanks for another great video. I am a DF3 guy since the end of last year's golf season. Indeed, the most important club in the bag!
Had my first 9 holes of the year on Sunday. Adlington in Cheshire. Very wet underfoot but brilliant greens. Good to use the Mezz1 again. Happy golfing Andy.
I've opted for the Square to Square and (so far) have found the technology to benefit my admittedly spotty performances on the green. A not insignificant part of opting for this manifestation of "zero torque" was price. Since I'm still on the upward leg of the learning course for this sport, making the stretch of expense to go with Lab doesn't seem prudent, while the Callaway's price point gets me closer perhaps than non-zero torque offerings. In any event, I'm happy with this particular stick. That said, it should be pointed out that Callaway's product does, like the Lab putters, require a forward press. However, it doesn't use the grip to accommodate that requirement, instead the forward press has to be accomplished by a conscious forward lean of the club. It takes a bit of getting used to, to say the least. Great vid as always!
Seems to me that a hand built specific to the user bespoke putter for £500 seems pretty good value. Certainly better than the newest shiny driver that the masses salivate over every release cycle
I tried both the DF3 and Square to Square and liked both for the reduced torque they had. And there is significant price differences with the Square being more in my budget. But the Square just felt too light to me and I felt like I had to hit harder on longer distances. The DF3 felt heavier in my hands but I was able to lag putt with less effort. Fortunately I found a DF3, used, for $325 and purchased it. But it had a reverse taper grip on it which I liked on my Odyssey Eleven but not so much on the DF3. Replaced with the Lab 3 degree press grip and am very happy with it.
Thanks for your review of these and the comparison. It’s so good to have options and choices available. I think the Square to Square is going to be a huge success because of the price and different heads, but maybe could be a little heavier.
I do value your opinion, thanks for sharing it.
Got the jailbird with the pistol grip and i absolutely love it
I think there's a good chance the square to square 7 will be a birthday present this year. Have been looking at these a lot. The Lab is just out of my $$ range. I think I'm drinking the Koolaid and believing these things can help with putting, but I really have a hard time sensing it when I putt with them. The forward leaning shaft feels so strange to me, but I assume I'd adapt. Glad to see the weather improving - I think I'm ready for spring. Thanks for the video!
Hi Andy, I purchased the LAB DF3 last January. All I can tell you about my experience is, it took 3 months to get used to and when I did it transformed my consistency on the greens. I read greens pretty well but always found distance control an issue with a 2 way miss, often leaving a 25' foot putt 6 feet short or blasting it 8 feet passed. With the LAB, my lag putting from 30 feet and inside is fantastic and the bonus is I make 8 outta 10 inside 8 feet. This has reduced my handicap over the season by 3.4 shots and I consider the LAB to be the best money I've spent on golf. I'm aware the club itself is not a magic wand but the feeling of confidence once I had a few good rounds with it grew and grew which created trust in the club. Now I consider myself a good putter where, prior to LAB I always considered myself a very inconsistent putter. Great Vid 👍
Got my DF3 and I’d imagine the Oz is similar. Really made a huge difference in my putting. I feel like I can make most of my putts or be able to lag one to tap in range. It may be the placebo effect or not but I’m excited to be putting as I feel that I have a big leg up against my playing buddies.
The Bettinardi "Antidote" seems to strike a nice balance, for me at least, between the Odyssey and the DF3. Waiting to try the Oz when it hits retail. Good comparison video, thanks for posting it.
Hi Andy, great video and as you say it’s an informative video and your own opinion.
I have just taken delivery of a DF3 and I’m old enough and wise enough to know that it’s not a magic wand but what I hope it does for me is give me more consistency over the rounds. LAB Golf in my opinion seems to all about this zero torque and from what I’ve tested the product is very good. Callaway square to square is an excellent product also but just not for me but it will definitely help some others. We need to pay more attention on our putters because it’s the most used club in the bag. We think nothing of spending £4/500 on a driver and then any putter will do but it’s the club that can save most shots. Keep em videos coming 🤙
Good stuff Andy. Can’t wait until the Oz gets to my local store, I have tried the square to square and the DF3, and for me it was an absolute landslide win for the DF3. Wasn’t even close. I recommend everyone give them a test, as their results could be different than mine.
I am going to wait to try the Oz, but I am betting I still go with the DF3.
I bought the Jailbird square to square and I purchased a LAB press 3° grip for it... its superb. The press grip makes set-up more consistent than having to work out the forward press amount for yourself
i use the press pristol 2 degree with the square to square and i shot my best round. def worth a try
Recently toured the LAB HQ (October) . Played a round of golf with Sam (CEO)… got fit for the new Oz1i ….. I can assure you the amount of work done to build a putter made specifically for your personal tendencies , is nothing a company like Callaway would ever consider. I now possess my new LAB Oz1i and after one month of practice and playing with it , it is the real deal. I am a 1 index player and have always been a good putter, however , this has made me a great putter. I believe people underestimate the ability to be for with something that is specific to you and your game. If getting better doesn’t interest you then maybe it’s not worth the $. I 💯beleive this is not a gimmick and could help all golfers of all levels. Just depends on how serious you are at reducing strokes per round over time. Liked the review.
@@patrickmccormick4275 how many putting strokes do you think you've shaved off with the new putter per round?
@ that’s a tough call in limited rounds however I can say my rolls for pace , speed and direction have improved on a more consistent basis…I have experienced my lowest putts per round being 22, with this putter….over 40 yrs of golf my previous low was 24/round…my round averages have definitely dropped . Many more tap ins for pars and and more birdies /round than normal. When you take pressure away from your putter, your confidence grows throughout your bag and your proximity to the hole gets closer which leads to more birdies opportunities, which leads to more birdies. Hope that helps answer your question.
I’ve thought about getting a lab press grip for my odyssey double wide. Do I need to have them add loft to the putter as well or can that grip just be put on?
My current putter is a £28 original Ping B60.
I could putt in those days (a bit, anyway) so I blew the budget on a placebo... 😁👍
I’ve been struggling with pace control on the greens for a while. Got the square to square jailbird and I’ve dropped my 3 putts dramatically. It definitely helps me a lot with face control
Would like to see you try the Evenroll Zero series.
Evnroll, not Evenroll.....apologies
Interesting thing on the price thing Andy, I just got fitted at a pga store in the US and paid $449 plus tax, total $478 for a DF3 so at todays exchange about £380 GBP and bought it home in my golf bag. So again in the UK we are being ripped off, cos it doesn’t cost £200 per putter to ship a crate from LAB in Oregon that’s for sure.
I really like my current mallet putter. It’s an Odyssey with the usual soft face insert. I’d be fascinated to try either of these new models though.
I will echo what others have said about switching out the square-to-square stock grip for a LAB 3 degree press grip. I think it really does improve the performance of the Odyssey putter. Maybe it's in my head, but the putter also feels a little heavier now, too. I wonder if the Odyssey stock grip weighs a little more than the LAB press grip.
Gary Martin said that, to use the square to square putter, you must add shaft lean yourself. I guess they didn't figure out how to get around Lab's patents.
Currently gaming the oz.1 custom orange. love it. had the jail bird square to square... went with the oz so i could get the zero shaft lean option. game changer for me. hate forward press shafts. also the new insert feels like a scotty vs the bouncy ai insert.
I bought the callaway on release day and love it. Feels incredible. I was always a very decent putter with in 10 feet anyway but what I’ve noticed with this the long putts in getting a lot closer now. Think when hitting it harder I went a bit wayward and strike wasn’t good so pace not good. Now getting them a lot closer form distance, even dropping a few. Can’t recommend it enough. It does need a slight change of technique though with the forward press
Ive bought the Jailbird but haven't used it yet, I'm working away from home but I get home in 10 days time but really looking forward to using it. Hopefully it will save me a few shots per round.
I found the Odyssey's light when i tested them. Oddly the double wide felt heavier despite being the same head weight. Here's a little nugget of info...each model odyssey square to square putters have a weights that differ heel and toe. I think theres a 10g difference on the double wide and a 20g difference on the jailbird and #7. When increasing the head weight with heavier weights which are widely available on ebay, then you must keep the weight differnce the same between the heel and toe weights, otherwise it becomes unbalanced.
Ive ordered the Jailbird, will get some heavier weights then add lead tape equally as well.
Personally I consider the Zero torque concept to be more marketing and a retread of an old concept. There is a reason why centre shafted putters have never been popular.
But that is just my opinion and is based on my putter swing. My only recommendation is that you get a custom fit for your putter. If the custom fit demonstrates that one of these putters is the right one for you then get that putter.
I've bought the jailbird one. Just having to get used to how much slower it feels off the face than my Scotty select. Leaving a lot of long putts short. Working out forward press taking some time as well
I owned a LAB DF 2.1 loved the tech and it was amazing on 6ft or less putts but I really struggled with distance control so I moved on. Odyssey came along. I have the jailbird S2S. I added a piece of lead tape to the bottom and I now love it. I was also able to try all three Odyssey models from my pro shop and its costs a huge amount less.
You can try the odyssey’s in most pro shops. You can’t with LAB and the cost difference is huge. This is why I think odyssey will take over from LAB. One other comment I’ll make. With e Odyssey white face you can see if you’ve got the right forward lean. If you see the white face you need more lean.
Do a bettinardi antidote sb2 vs the oz1
If you’re looking for weight then I highly recommend the Jailbird Cruiser. It might not be torque free but the weight and counterbalancing means it stays, for me, as square as a DF3.
Any difference with a left hand low style?
I have just bought the S2S #7. I tried both but I’ve been playing the versa #7 for a few years and the Lab was too big a change. Going from the Versa #7 to the S2S version was really easy and improved my distance control almost instantly. Still doesn’t help me pick the right line though 😂
I’m on the fence for my next purchase between driver and putter. Love the LAB concept, tried one and loved the feel. But, I’m not terrible with my 15 year old Newport. There’s arguably more upside replacing my 10 year old Driver with something more forgiving.
Andy good vid mate it appears now these tyoes of putters are appearing more and more...my issue mate is i hate centre shafted putters and mallets😂 i use an evenroll 2.1 anser style and enjoy it ...would be interesting to test them but like i said mate its the centre shaft i cant stand 🤷 the fwd press must be odd for most golfers
Agree re Square to Square, I picked it up and put it back very quickly-too light by far. And I had been waiting for it to come out. I feel you need the weight for the tech to work, but that’s just me.
Hey, in a non related question, I have this shot where my drive shoots off to the left at a 30° angle. It is dead straight, no hook and the ball flight is perfect. Alignment seems good, Contact feels good.. I do this at least twice per round. Any idea what causes this. I hit 8 fairways today, and am normally close to the fairway with driver, so my driver is mostly ok.
Would you consider the OZ instead of the OZi which isn't the insert version tested, as an alternative to the DF3 ? Do you feel the OZi was as stable as the DF3? I currently game the DF2.1 and fancy a change.
@@maxhol4142 I would definitely prefer the original face but for me the DF3 felt more stable than the Oz
@@TheAverageGolfer cheers for the feedback
Hi Andy, I believe the insert on the OZ1i is a steel insert as the body is aluminium, the OZ1 with no insert is an aluminium body.
Steel should be faster off the face than off the aluminium.
While I agree we use the putters the most, the cost feels exorbitant. Offering up charge for graphite shafts to reduce flex? Just how much flex is there at the pace of a normal stroke.
Would this putter save you 5 shots a round?
Good putters can putt with almost anything as it’s about line, pace and stroke consistency.
Having said that I am tempted to go to stockists of these to actually try LAB out
Would it be possible to do a comparison between the LAB and the Evnroll putter? I’m currently debating between them and the Jailbird…
I added 20g to the odyssey JB square to square with replacement weights. Much better than the stock head weight for me
i have the jail bird square to square and am realy struggling not to hit it left the roll is outstanding and the distance control is great jusy read the below comment about puting a forward press putter grip on i will have to try this it may take away thay push to the left
I’ve had both df3 and square to square jailbird I chose df3 currently now new nice Scotty Cameron coming out in march with insert
It’s a steel insert not aluminum insert and the Oz.1i is supposed to be a firmer feel than the other L.A.B’s that have an all aluminum face.
Correct ✅ stainless steel insert,, not aluminium as articulated in the video, and it has a firmer feel off the face, not softer than other LAB putters in their range.
The LAB is worth every penny... Did you try the OZ1 without the insert model... I found it to feel just like the df3 ..
Andy, if price wasn’t a determining factor, in your opinion is the Lab DF3 the best putter for a mid-high handicap golfer?
Yes
so in Canada the LAB DF3 with an accara shaft is around 1000-1100 canadian where the square to square is 399 canadian I still think the Callaway will find its way in my bag LAB is just a bit steep for me to justify great video Andy thx for doing it cheers from Vulcan Canada
Well, a few thoughts first you’re right everybody seems to spend lots of money on their driver, which they use about 16 times around versus their putter which on average I would imagine people use 40 times around or more. I got fitted earlier this year and I had been using a Scottie a great piece of kit, but I did much better with the lab putter. I ended up getting the lab blade putter because I couldn’t get over the size of the other models even though the pro doing my fitting suggested that I would be best with the 2.1 in any event the switch from the Scottie to the blade lab drop my pets around by 3 1/2. Couple of weeks ago I went in he said how’s the lab working out I said great he goes you know you really should be in a bigger head putter. You’d be doing much better if you went to the 2.1 I said really he said well I play the 2.1. It’s made a big difference in my game And I’m a scratch golfer. I’ve saved about one and a half strokes around since switching well that significant for a scratch golfer, but I’m a high handicap guy. I won’t embarrass myself by telling you how high my handicap is anyway we did a fitting with my new lab and the 2.1 and I sunk eight out of 10 pots With the blade and 10 out of 10 with a 2.1. I ordered and got the 2.1 have not used it on the course yet I asked him about the Odyssey. He said try it. I did thanks. Six out of 10 pots. He looked at me. He said you know I don’t like the badmouth Golf equipment and clearly it comes in at a price point, but it’s really a piece of junk. He said you know if you got a small budget it’s not that bad but given how much you spend on a driver or irons or wedges you should probably invest your most money into a putter cause it’s the club that will make the biggest difference. You’ve already bought two high-end putters. He gave me a good trade-in value on my lab blade and I bought for 2.1. thanks for your review. Love your channel. You do great work.
Andy, you might have needed your 5 wood on that fuzzy green.
Finally LAB made a putter that looks decent to me. I would definitely try it
This is my current dilemma. The putter needs upgrading but with innovations like lab, you have to feel like all the big brands are going to do something similar over the next 12 months.
Softer, but also faster off the face? I would have thought that the Oz with the insert would feel a little harder.
Unless you’re someone who changes all the time it’s worth spending the money on the right putter. Especially for just a few hundred dollars. Even someone who doesn’t play a ton (twice a month) makes a couple thousand putts over a three year period.
What about Bettinardi Antidote
Andy ...its the old addage ...£500 on a driver use it 12 times ...putter most golfers 32 putts ....we as golfers are a funny bunch 😂😂🤷
Df3 insert will be money!!
Lab all day long as it’s customised to you individually worth every penny to have something unique to yourself.
249 is decent if you want to give one a go 👌
Agree putter should have greater consideration for players . . . . I bought LAB DF3 after a bespoke fitting and love it . . . . I am now having to explain your lunacy at suggesting that buying new kit does not improve your game . . . Write that stuff down, never, never say it out loud as sometimes the wife listens
A revealer?
It’s a contraption you fix a putter inside, and allows you to make a putting stroke whilst holding on to the revealer. If your putter is lie angle balanced, the head of the putter will remain square throughout the stroke (the putter head will not rotate). If your putter is either a face balanced or toe angle balanced putter (normal putter) the putter head will spin around like crazy inside the revealer whilst you make a putting stroke
Odyssey grip is quite awkward.. as others stated adding a Press grip helps but still no match for what LAB offers
sadly, I'm in the category of golfer who doesnt buy new products, I'm probably buying equipment when they're a year or two old. I game an original 2ball which I love.
Great head to head review though.
I may be the odd man out on this but I've tried the square to square and like every odyssey I've ever tried it feels awful. I haven't gotten the chance to try the oz1 but I'm excited to. I wish I didn't hate Callaway lol but both looks and especially feel just has never been there for me . I do agree as hard as it is to get past the price for a putter its the most important and used club in the bag so its worth an investment.
Going with LAB putter. Callaway square to square are RH only.
Where’s the weight on screen!
I think I want the Oz without the insert.
“Average golfer”
…..$900 putter, sir. No average golfer has, or even wants a LAB putter.
not sure I get it. if your hands rotate doesn't matter what you have.
I am a +2 golfer never ever had a putter fit, but did for the lab putters and tried the square 2 square not even comparable though I do believe lab have a niche in product offering and service. I have ordered oz.1. Blue head black Accra shaft and spec specific to me! Great video and good insight, the biggest variable is cost and commitment, I do think if you are looking for a quick fix square 2 square is a cheap alternative but won’t solve long term issues because of the quality / components compared to a bespoke lab. Take your time with a purchase and weigh up pros vs cons. For me missing putts within 10 foot and under with current gamer has meant change due to lost shot opportunities. Interested to see a video about new drivers vs older driver with correct shaft non stock for people to see and understand! Happy to be the guinea pig if ever required!
Ive tried the the S2S. i dont think its in the same league as LAB, but its a good cheaper version.
Hated the Jailbird. Seemed cheaply made. (too) Light, not 100% sure its really a Lie angle balanced putter or a more centre shafted. But the price is spot on. Thats my 2cents
Better to test putters on an actual green rather than what appears to be a fairway
I want the DF3, bad. I don't like the look of the jailbird. I haven't considered the oz1, but i've tried the df3 a few times and am saving up. Or selling a kidney cause damn . . .
And … the Callaway is NOT available left handed 🤬
Callaway does not make sq2sq milled face. I prefer milled face plus they need to make milled in left hand putter.
Can get heavier weights for the odyssey. Easy.
Wouldnt call this a great test
Not one putter is worth over $199. None. I use a Ping Zing ($35 off Craigslist) and a Kirkland. Rarely any three-putts. I barely practice, as well. Sorry, not buying it. Ridiculous.
Totally agree! I bounce between a Meridian Charleston demo (paid $125) and a Rife center shaft Barbados (paid $70 on eBay).
I enjoy both and green speeds dictate which I use. After you find a reasonably priced putter you like, PRACTICE! Practice is free.
I know what’s wrong with your game ⛳️ short arms and long pockets