F-4F ICE has 4 IR missiles more, the 9L/I on ICE have also IRRCM. Amount of AIM-120 is the same + you get better RWR on Phantom. Easily right now the viggen is worst AIM-120 jet, rivaling maybe the Harrier but Harriers are at least somewhat fun and unique to play. Anyone craving for some BVR and having that much money to spend should just get F-14 with Fakour-90's from the market
@@cslpchr would be horrible for matchmaker. Right now there is a balancing problem at 10.0 and above. Literally playing Japanese phantom 11.0 and I get constantly uptiered against F-4S that has PD radar with HMD, AIM-7F. I guess F-4S get uptiers to 13.0 frequently as well, when they have to face, ICE, Harriers and now Viggen with AIM-120, must be "fun" with their 50 chaff at best
@SeekerHead nah but it would be around 90 as its a game everyone knows and been waiting for 10 years so people will be desperate to play it and pay anything, plus typical triple a games are costing around 90 now anyway
Ah yes, pay $79.99 for basically a commitment to have WT as your second job because you will use it in order to avoid feeling like you wasted your money and because it helps for the grind, even if it helps with the grind I feel like 45 USD for a single vehicle is way too much lol
the fact that this thing will still be 40$ on sale is wild. Sweden isn't even a particularly long or hard tree to complete anyway, there's kind of no reason to pick up a expensive pack premium for the nation in the first place.
Imagine someone like me who has grinded most of the sweden air tree usually only getting 1-2 kills per match since im a grb player buying this and going in to my first couple of games and getting absolutely demolished, if it wasnt because i have knowledge of the game already i would honestly get discouraged by being dunked on which i already do just not as hard
DCS removed the first purchase discount unfortunately :( but its def a way better pick due to the flight model not being dogshit in dcs (i fight eagles on the regular)
@@adrianstachowski9422 if you are in EU... its significantly more expensive. DCS, you deal with dollars on ED page. WT??? Euros... F16 is cheaper in dollars already, without even accounting for dollar to € difference.
@@Jachammer93 Because DCS modules are proper flight simulator products that come with several hundred page manuals (for the A-10 about 900) and take years to develop, so the fairly high price (though it really isn't that high on sale, there's one right now) is pretty logical. War thunder is none of these things, yet often charges more. It's a terrible value proposition
0:30 oh man, I didn’t see the video yet but a single look on the RWR of this thing makes me wonder if it’s even playable… this RWR looks like almost useless SPO-10 from MiG-21SMT/bis but at way higher BR
Honestly you just need to know if there is a missile launched on you as sure RWR is bad but you'll survive with 4 directional as long as you have a track/launch warning
I hate seeing this stuff and I always wonder who is even funding this stuff, then I see people saying "they should lower the prices for this (I already preordered it though)" and I realize who the problem is.
LOTS of people sadly. Even 6 hours after the update when I unlocked the tech tree version, I was seeing at least 3 of the premium one every match. So far I have yet to see another tech tree one
I don't have an issue with this premium. It's expensive, sure, but it's also not overpowered or has some paywalled advantages against other aircraft. It's a totally optional vehicle people can purchase if they have the money. I feel like people tend to forget this is a completely free to play game, and an extremely well made one at that. There's no premium ammo, premium armor, and besides a few choice vehicles in it's lifetime, hasn't really had any pay-to-win vehicles.
lol, the p2w plane sits at 13 , wich means you can fight it while you fly 12.0 ... now look what stuff 12.0 planes get and look what stuff this thing has ....
AS you said just talisman the JA37C. That one is probably the best viggen if you account for armament and BR. The radar it gets is really good for 11.3
@@ThatsOk83 Id say it is. For 11.3 you get undoubtedly the best radar, 2 decent radar missiles and 4 decent ir missiles. It´s basically a sidegrade to the f4e, which is probably the best 11.3 jet. Do make sure you enjoy it, since thats pretty important too :)
the fact viggens energy retention got nerfed MORE is absurd as it was already underperforming, jaguar pilots in the SK-37 said it was good, its probably not as bad as it is now, especially with the canard config taking a huge amount of drag off of the main wing while maneuvering
@@teivabaudoin2666 EM diagrams dont account for nose authority or energy retention (a bit iffy, you can extrapolate energy retention a tiny bit,) but as you can see in the EM diagram it starts to fall off past 0.8 mach which signals that it doesnt bleed very hard in that regime, meanwhile the viggen in war thunder cant retain very well in any regime, also since when did war thunder follow diagrams? The F-15 doesnt get the correct sustained rate, the viggen can do backflips, the flanker doesnt have any of its awful departure charcteristics, the fullback is.. id say its pretty nuts for what it is (a massivly heavier Su-27 with AL-41F) and shouldnt preform how it does
@@mintman825 since when ? Well since forever, many aircraft were adjusted, but lately (in the past 2 years) gaijin has decided they would not care as much as they used to and bug reports are a hell to produce, even they take a look a it, it probably won’t be accepted
i actually feel bad for people who buy that stuff, its borderline unethical to manipulate people to buy 80$ premium plane by making the game unbearable without it this is why IMO games like this are actually unhealthy for the average player (kinda like gatcha games) legit think stuff like this should be illegal, kinda how lootboxes are. this has to stop, but its not illegal and the masses keep on getting tricked and they keep on buying, cant make a company stop something when it has you literally by the balls paying, thats why i feel like a higher power should stop this like steam or a government .
My funniest premium aircraft experience (and i have a lot of them) i just love the viggen irl and i buyed it to grind the swedish tech tree (i already have the draken), its very fun to use and its very strong i got a lot of kills in my games (2-3 ; 3-4) and it was very funny to play the only thing that is bad is the airframe sometimes and the fuel consumption but for me its okay. The RWR is not good, but its not bad it's very understandable for me. If you have money and want it, then get it (I have win dogfights against F16, F15, SU27SM and others like JF17 J10, the only ones that i didn't fighted was the mirage and grippen for the moment. You just need to be experienced with delta wing airframes and experienced with these type of airframes in general) But yeah 80€ for a plane in a game, thats a lot I agree
The only time i spent 80 euros on warthunder was when the sales arrived (i think it was black friday) and the IS-6 pack, obj 120 pack and T-55AM-1 packs were TOGETHER 80 euros.
@@maggi98mwyou would think the consumer base. But instead people buy 60 dollar premiums in droves and Gaijin is going to keep increasing theprices on these premiums until they find the threshold where people won't fork out money for 1 vehicle
@@fifthcrusade4607 Whales are going to buy no matter HOW expensive they get. Gaijin could probably copy/paste a vehicle, give it a reflective solid gold skin and a stupid SL multiplier, set the price tag at $1000 USD and people will STILL buy it.
if you think this is bad you should take a look at blizzard with wow, 90$ limited time store mount for their 30th anniversary comes with build in mailbox and auction house. and for chinas 25th anniversary that happend at the same time they took an 18 year old tiger mount from their old TCG game and made it fly, selling it for 260$
@@zentarion. Blizzard doesn't run wow in China That 90$ mount tho, a vast majority of people bought it with gold, I dont know a single person that paid actual money for it lol
It's funny it's cheaper to get the JF-17 which is better than that in almost every way besides amount of flares better missiles better IR missiles better gun more gun ammo better flight model better engine it's only 0.3 BR higher and it's cheaper
This is the beginning of a VERY VERY slippery slope for gaijin monetization, because now they aren't even getting push back for giving you an option straight into top tier with top tier weaponry. I won't be surprised if in the next major updates we start seeing more and more top tier premium vehicles for different nations.
@@cozymode I had a good feeling they were squaring up the reaction from the F20 when it game out, they noticed there wasnt as much backlash now they are testing out adding a top tier premium in a relatively smaller nation. "We don't want our players to buy their way into higher ranks, we want them to earn it." MY ASS.
Honestly i dont care more freekills for me If people want to play top tier because i think its the best gameplay in warthunder they have an easy way like this
I don't know what is worse. Gaijin greed or people actually buying this stuff. The value for money stops at 30usd with a quality of an asset in wt... which is ok for 60usd premium during 50% discount. Anything above this is just not worth the money considering quality of a vehicle and quality of a game itself
I find the viggen really good to be honest, I avarage around 3-4 kills, and the only times I die is often when I'm out of ammo. But this is of course from player to player. Good video and reasoning!
You know what this thing reminds me of? The Mig 21 Bison. It's serviceable but not worth the money for what you get from it. They nerfed the other premium into the ground exclusively so you HAVE to buy this thing in order to grind Sweden efficiently and it doesn't even do it that well cause 13.0 gets sucked into 13.7.
I bought the Viggen and in my opinion (despite not being a very good player) it is not that bad, being in 13.0 there is always the possibility of going to down tier and there it is a monster, I recommend it although if you can't because of its cost there is no big problem, the J35Xs is equally good and sooner or later you will unlock the ViggenDI which is free.
I agree with everything, but at 13.0, it's still the best way to grind the Sweden air tree by far. I play the AV-8B+ and it's excellent at the same BR cause it sees down tiers more often.
@@Ekdrink yeah, but you know I get it, it saves you a lot of time, SL and stuff. BUT!! this is not aceptable with planes that are only a premium and cant be accesed without a paywall, like f20. I was waiting for this thing to come out for at least 5 YEARS. My favourite plane in the world after F5. But I aint paying that stupid money, just out of principle
You can dogfight with the Viggens pretty well even with the new flight model you just have to be very careful not to bleed your speed. That being said at 13.0 it's gonna be garbage at dogfighting.
Rb74 is an standard AIM9L no IRCCM. This Viggen sits at 13.0 not 13.3. And the TT variant is only 200k RP I grinded it with the normal Viggen D at 12.0 in 2h
The only issue i had flying this so far is that they made ARH missiles splash harder on the deck so multipathing is screwed again Otherwise the plan3 is fine, i dont understand where the idea comes from that the GM is worse than the phantom wh3n you can put up a good fight against foes like f15 f16 and su27
And a good point to NOT BUY this is that you have the same Aircraft with ARAAMS in the Tech Tree for free. I am almost ending the grind of Sweden TT just with regular aircrafts: J26 > BF109 G6 > Saab 105G > A32A > MiG-21bis > All the Remaining Tier VIII.
This thing being 13.0 BR is insidious. It will make older 12.0 premiums obsolete, but at the same time will fight 13.7 on a regular basis. Nice job Gaijin.
I’m a disgusting wallet warrior who bought this. Unlike others, I have other 13.7 planes. What I can say about using this is that it’s very rough when facing actual 13.7s because of the huge discrepancy in flight performance from gen 3 to gen 4 aircraft. Another huge disadvantage I noticed is no HMD. Lastly, it really does need IRCCM dog fighting missiles, with only aim-9Ls, it simply cannot dogfight, once you fire off all your AMRAAMs, you need to go to base ASAP. Overall, this plane is a mixed bag, I’ve had fun playing it, but it also has frustrating attributes. Unless you’re experienced at 13.7, do not buy this plane. I have a friend who bought their way to top tier with this and are having a really rough time.
Just grinding out the tech tree one. Was working on the gripin c but seems like a better option to get get the viggen i being its also a 13.0 with the gripin a
Don't grind Sweden with premiums. You don't need to. As you said theres plenty of gems that you can talisman and the tree is short, so I can agree there. Secondly, the "unique" strength of the Viggen is its high prolonged speed. With time, it can reach 1.2M on the deck and it has no rip speed. This is great at 11.3 but a lacklustre strength at 13.0+. This opens a whole can of worms on its own. I don't know why they do, but I suspect the Viggen isn't someone's favourite at Gaijin. They were very quick to act on a bug-report stating the Viggen was slightly overperforming in its sustained turn rate while completely ignoring other bug reports stating the Viggen isn't accelerating as fast as it should nor hitting its stated service speeds. I love this plane in game, but I do firmly believe its been shafted a little.
With these prices they should add a multi tree premium it would be 1.5x more expensive but it would be useable for multiple trees for example an f16A it would be useable for the us israeli french trees, 80$ for a plane that you can only use for 1 tree is too much, any opinions on this multi tree premium?
what sucks is that this is literally the only “good” aircraft to grind the entire swedish tech tree. the j35xs has absolutely zero chance to fight anything at its br - no rwr - 12 cm - BARELY supersonic - very very very small fuel quantity - can only last one turn and then your fate is up to the # of players around you - 6 of some of the worst missiles in game(especially at 11.0) the j35xs was at the same br as the mig 21, which is superior in literally all of these aspects. but oh it’s 0.3 lower(it still fights mig21s a lot)
I mean be as it may, I'm at 4.0 in the Finnish tree and I'm going to get this. For 40 bucks in a year. 😂 After fully going through the US tree and genuinely enjoying top tier experience more than 7.0- 9.x/10.x, only thing that might change my opinion is j35x getting it's radar gunsight for sim/RB. But yeah no, while I could afford it, and I'm sure that even at 1 euro per hour I'd get my moneys worth with it, I'll be waiting for sale.
@@CruLisP Not sure where this comes from, the only confirmed new equipment for the specific airframe you're talking about is the IR-OTIS, RB73E, ODEN and a different UFC, other than that PS05 (MS800 isnt a real radar afaik) isnt confirmed to be tested in that airframe or the other airframe that used IR-OTIS
0:31 typical lvl 5 premium noob ;) It is amazing how many of these premium Viggens flying around. Gaijin could bring the F-14D for 100 dollars and people would buy it like crazy lol
correct me if im wrong but didnt World of tanks start going downhill once they introduced super expensive OP premiums? Not saying a Viggen with AMRAAMs is OP but im noticing a trend is all
In current top tier meta flight model is not that important. For average war thunder player 1 kill or ever 0.75 kills per battle is enough. It still will be more profitable and less frustrating then countless hours of grind needed to get top of the line plane. Especially for ground players whom just want to get CAS plane for GRB. But i still hates this is happening..
viggen fm is not as bad as you described it, it wipes the floor with most 3rd gen aircraft in a duel at 12.0 but going 1v1 in an air rb match was never a good idea in any plane. It doesnt need a better radar because you wont be launching any amraams at more than 50km anyways. Youre more agile than a f4 and faster than it and has far more countermeasures, the only downside is the 9Ls and rwr. and its 13.0 not 13.3.
I politely disagree. Yes, you have a lot of disadvantages in the Viggen and it bleeds way too much speed in a curve but if you use hit and run tactics, stay on the deck until the furball develops and if you can suprise the Enemy team with smart radar usage this plane can be very effective. I‘ve played 10 Games so far in it and I get at least 2 kills per Match. Should it exist as a premium? Absolutely not, this plane doesn’t belong into the hands of unexperienced players but experienced players can make it work.
Experienced players can make any plane work. That doesn’t mean it’s good. That’s not productive to the conversation of a good plane when examining it compared to its peers. There’s many other planes at 13.0 that are easier and more consistent to make work, meaning they’re objectively better, and once more than 50% of them are objectively better, that makes the viggen objectively bad.
In the past you've said that flight models dont really matter in top tier because nobody dogfights; which i agree with. why would it matter for this jet?
Everything matters to an extent. The Su27 flight model for example typically doesn’t matter a whole lot, despite being the worst dogfighter at top tier. The plane still pushes well past Mach 1, has plenty of thrust to weight, and as long as you have speed it doesn’t really lose the speed through turns. The issue is that the viggen is an 11.0 flight model fighting at 13.0, often times 13.7. It’s slow to get supersonic by comparison, doesn’t keep being super sonic through turns, and loses all speed instantly in any resemblance of a dogfight that it takes 3-4x longer to get back than its peers.
@@SeekerHead Couldn't you say the same about the other 13.0 jets planes that have Fox-3s? I don't think anyone playing the F-4F ICE or Harrier is under the impression that they can win a dogfight against basically anything at their BR and probably wouldn't even do well in a dogfight in a full downier. Their whole shtick is the AMRAAMs and they have to be played that way. I haven't flown the new Viggen but I have flown the F-4F pretty extensively and it does ok as long as you stick to BVR. The flight model absolutely holds it back but its an AMRAAM carrier at 13.0 so shouldn't it have a poor flight model to compensate for that?
You have the F4F so that’s great, now imagine your flight model being even worse, with no IRCCM IR missiles, and a shitty RWR. That’s the viggen. Same BR. $80
Chris Roberts is a shithead money grubbing con man. But I will say. I love me some Star Citizen when it works, F7C Mk II and F8C Lightening pilot here. Corsair is my workhorse
There's no problem with premium vehicles themselves (unless they're utterly unfinished and artificially nerfed for no good reason like US ones), there is a problem with premium vehicles when they are blatantly unbalanced and have an absurd cost on top of that. This shit is unbalanced, and $80 is way too much for any premium, especially when you're paying that much for vehicles like the US gets that are released unfinished, get nerfed into the ground afterwards artificially due to incorrect implementation, and are half assed to hell and back.
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This premium is 13.0, NOT 13.3. Sorry about that. Less insulting when compared to F4F ICE but my overall opinion is the same as stated in the video.
the ICE is also 13.0 now
F4 is also 13.0 and now can detect K band
F-4F ICE has 4 IR missiles more, the 9L/I on ICE have also IRRCM. Amount of AIM-120 is the same + you get better RWR on Phantom. Easily right now the viggen is worst AIM-120 jet, rivaling maybe the Harrier but Harriers are at least somewhat fun and unique to play. Anyone craving for some BVR and having that much money to spend should just get F-14 with Fakour-90's from the market
@@Minnka_time to put that viggen at 12.7, if we follow gaijins track record
@@cslpchr would be horrible for matchmaker. Right now there is a balancing problem at 10.0 and above. Literally playing Japanese phantom 11.0 and I get constantly uptiered against F-4S that has PD radar with HMD, AIM-7F. I guess F-4S get uptiers to 13.0 frequently as well, when they have to face, ICE, Harriers and now Viggen with AIM-120, must be "fun" with their 50 chaff at best
new premium costs more than gta six before gta six is crazy😭
y'all fooling if you think they won't be charging at least 90 USD for the base game
@@jaxastro3072they’re not going to do that. Keeping it on par with other AAA games brings more customers, therefore more money by charging less money
@@SeekerHead the new call of duty costs €80, wouldnt surprise me if rockstar follows that example since they know people will buy it anyways
@SeekerHead nah but it would be around 90 as its a game everyone knows and been waiting for 10 years so people will be desperate to play it and pay anything, plus typical triple a games are costing around 90 now anyway
@@qcklu on your momma it ain’t gonna cost that much
As long there's people buying these, they'll keep making them !
Ah yes, pay $79.99 for basically a commitment to have WT as your second job because you will use it in order to avoid feeling like you wasted your money and because it helps for the grind, even if it helps with the grind I feel like 45 USD for a single vehicle is way too much lol
the fact that this thing will still be 40$ on sale is wild. Sweden isn't even a particularly long or hard tree to complete anyway, there's kind of no reason to pick up a expensive pack premium for the nation in the first place.
Imagine someone like me who has grinded most of the sweden air tree usually only getting 1-2 kills per match since im a grb player buying this and going in to my first couple of games and getting absolutely demolished, if it wasnt because i have knowledge of the game already i would honestly get discouraged by being dunked on which i already do just not as hard
F16 premium incoming
It's nothing compared to those that paid 3 digits every time a major update drops to have their rp converted to get the latest jet
20 dollars per missile is crazy
😂
DCS Viggen being cheaper at full price (50% off if your first purchase) is absurd
DCS removed the first purchase discount unfortunately :( but its def a way better pick due to the flight model not being dogshit in dcs (i fight eagles on the regular)
this thing has dcs f16c price tag lol
Why is that crazy?
@@adrianstachowski9422 if you are in EU... its significantly more expensive. DCS, you deal with dollars on ED page. WT??? Euros... F16 is cheaper in dollars already, without even accounting for dollar to € difference.
@@Jachammer93 Because DCS modules are proper flight simulator products that come with several hundred page manuals (for the A-10 about 900) and take years to develop, so the fairly high price (though it really isn't that high on sale, there's one right now) is pretty logical. War thunder is none of these things, yet often charges more. It's a terrible value proposition
F-4F ICE eats this for BREAKFAST
At least something
Easily
AV-8Bs also gonna enjoy this
In the same way the F7F eats jets for breakfast...
Maybe the prem but no the tech tree
0:30 oh man, I didn’t see the video yet but a single look on the RWR of this thing makes me wonder if it’s even playable… this RWR looks like almost useless SPO-10 from MiG-21SMT/bis but at way higher BR
It's got more utility overall than the SPO-10 but it is still far from good
The launch warning helps. I like it better than the f14a rwr, but that doesn’t take much
@@norske_ow3440ngl if an rwr is directional and gives proper launch/msl warning is good enough in my book not the case for this thing though
It atleast can tell you you have a launch on you unlike some rwrs up there so it's enough for me but I understand the pain
Honestly you just need to know if there is a missile launched on you as sure RWR is bad but you'll survive with 4 directional as long as you have a track/launch warning
This plane is $110 CAD... utterly insane
I hate seeing this stuff and I always wonder who is even funding this stuff, then I see people saying "they should lower the prices for this (I already preordered it though)" and I realize who the problem is.
LOTS of people sadly. Even 6 hours after the update when I unlocked the tech tree version, I was seeing at least 3 of the premium one every match. So far I have yet to see another tech tree one
I played with someone who even bought the "new" Su-22 for Germany. Some people just can't wait for sales for whatever reason
I don't have an issue with this premium. It's expensive, sure, but it's also not overpowered or has some paywalled advantages against other aircraft. It's a totally optional vehicle people can purchase if they have the money. I feel like people tend to forget this is a completely free to play game, and an extremely well made one at that. There's no premium ammo, premium armor, and besides a few choice vehicles in it's lifetime, hasn't really had any pay-to-win vehicles.
Crew skill is absolutely p2w, the difference it makes is massive and grinding it for free takes literal years for single crew lol
lol, the p2w plane sits at 13 , wich means you can fight it while you fly 12.0 ... now look what stuff 12.0 planes get and look what stuff this thing has ....
@@wapniak666 .... that's why I said pay-to-win vehicles?
@@opelwintersport those are words you typed, indeed.
@@opelwintersport But it also fights 13.7 planes which eat this thing for breakfast so that is a balance.
AS you said just talisman the JA37C. That one is probably the best viggen if you account for armament and BR. The radar it gets is really good for 11.3
The stock grind was hell though
lemme to talisman a plane i dont have
I'm 400krp away from it. Would it really be worth a tali. I'm dreading with the Drakken
@@ThatsOk83 Id say it is. For 11.3 you get undoubtedly the best radar, 2 decent radar missiles and 4 decent ir missiles. It´s basically a sidegrade to the f4e, which is probably the best 11.3 jet. Do make sure you enjoy it, since thats pretty important too :)
@@killerwhale__ just grind it lol
80 dollars is crazy
the fact viggens energy retention got nerfed MORE is absurd as it was already underperforming, jaguar pilots in the SK-37 said it was good, its probably not as bad as it is now, especially with the canard config taking a huge amount of drag off of the main wing while maneuvering
Yet now it’s matching all of its charts, and even slightly overperforming
From the Swedes, it never was a great dogfighter to begin with
it was nerfed accodring to real flight data that was given to gaijin, it was nerfed at he same time the mig23 and draken were nerfed
@@teivabaudoin2666 EM diagrams dont account for nose authority or energy retention (a bit iffy, you can extrapolate energy retention a tiny bit,) but as you can see in the EM diagram it starts to fall off past 0.8 mach which signals that it doesnt bleed very hard in that regime, meanwhile the viggen in war thunder cant retain very well in any regime, also since when did war thunder follow diagrams? The F-15 doesnt get the correct sustained rate, the viggen can do backflips, the flanker doesnt have any of its awful departure charcteristics, the fullback is.. id say its pretty nuts for what it is (a massivly heavier Su-27 with AL-41F) and shouldnt preform how it does
@@mintman825 since when ? Well since forever, many aircraft were adjusted, but lately (in the past 2 years) gaijin has decided they would not care as much as they used to and bug reports are a hell to produce, even they take a look a it, it probably won’t be accepted
i actually feel bad for people who buy that stuff, its borderline unethical to manipulate people to buy 80$ premium plane by making the game unbearable without it
this is why IMO games like this are actually unhealthy for the average player (kinda like gatcha games)
legit think stuff like this should be illegal, kinda how lootboxes are.
this has to stop, but its not illegal and the masses keep on getting tricked and they keep on buying, cant make a company stop something when it has you literally by the balls paying, thats why i feel like a higher power should stop this like steam or a government .
The greatest skill check in WT is what planes you waste your USD on
My funniest premium aircraft experience (and i have a lot of them) i just love the viggen irl and i buyed it to grind the swedish tech tree (i already have the draken), its very fun to use and its very strong i got a lot of kills in my games (2-3 ; 3-4) and it was very funny to play the only thing that is bad is the airframe sometimes and the fuel consumption but for me its okay. The RWR is not good, but its not bad it's very understandable for me. If you have money and want it, then get it (I have win dogfights against F16, F15, SU27SM and others like JF17 J10, the only ones that i didn't fighted was the mirage and grippen for the moment. You just need to be experienced with delta wing airframes and experienced with these type of airframes in general) But yeah 80€ for a plane in a game, thats a lot I agree
The only time i spent 80 euros on warthunder was when the sales arrived (i think it was black friday) and the IS-6 pack, obj 120 pack and T-55AM-1 packs were TOGETHER 80 euros.
it has more flares and is faster than the f4 ice
"Do not bomb me" well, you didn't *bomb* him, so..
edit: Seek this plane in game is at 13.0, not 13.3 as you say around the 3 minute mark
💀I hope they add Mig 31 soon but give it irl Mig 29's flight model on top of Mig 25 speed with R37s missles
MiG-31 with MiG-29FM? You're cooking bro
We already do. Its called F15e but this one is not fm limited
the it would be op, an irl mig29 with mig31 speed is a bad idea
@@kurnass2000 kinda like F15E lol
Im honestly surprised gaijin is allowed to sell things for 80$
Why? What's going to stop them?
@@maggi98mwyou would think the consumer base.
But instead people buy 60 dollar premiums in droves and Gaijin is going to keep increasing theprices on these premiums until they find the threshold where people won't fork out money for 1 vehicle
@@fifthcrusade4607 Whales are going to buy no matter HOW expensive they get. Gaijin could probably copy/paste a vehicle, give it a reflective solid gold skin and a stupid SL multiplier, set the price tag at $1000 USD and people will STILL buy it.
if you think this is bad you should take a look at blizzard with wow, 90$ limited time store mount for their 30th anniversary comes with build in mailbox and auction house. and for chinas 25th anniversary that happend at the same time they took an 18 year old tiger mount from their old TCG game and made it fly, selling it for 260$
@@zentarion. Blizzard doesn't run wow in China
That 90$ mount tho, a vast majority of people bought it with gold, I dont know a single person that paid actual money for it lol
It's funny it's cheaper to get the JF-17 which is better than that in almost every way besides amount of flares better missiles better IR missiles better gun more gun ammo better flight model better engine it's only 0.3 BR higher and it's cheaper
This is the beginning of a VERY VERY slippery slope for gaijin monetization, because now they aren't even getting push back for giving you an option straight into top tier with top tier weaponry. I won't be surprised if in the next major updates we start seeing more and more top tier premium vehicles for different nations.
I'm sure that's been gajins goal for years now. They have no competitors, they can do almost anything they want
@@cozymode I had a good feeling they were squaring up the reaction from the F20 when it game out, they noticed there wasnt as much backlash now they are testing out adding a top tier premium in a relatively smaller nation.
"We don't want our players to buy their way into higher ranks, we want them to earn it." MY ASS.
Honestly i dont care more freekills for me If people want to play top tier because i think its the best gameplay in warthunder they have an easy way like this
is the JF17 a joke to you?
I don't know what is worse. Gaijin greed or people actually buying this stuff. The value for money stops at 30usd with a quality of an asset in wt... which is ok for 60usd premium during 50% discount. Anything above this is just not worth the money considering quality of a vehicle and quality of a game itself
Thank you very much for your honesty, it has been missing on YT lately.
Gaijin actually makes EA look good...
Nah, as bad as gaijin is, EA is 10x worse
If wt is AE game you need to pay $1 to enter match
Nope
yooo new video!!!
Good Video brother, Saying this because the first 30 seconds of the video were enough for me. Pure facts bro, costing more than GTA is infuckingsane.
I find the viggen really good to be honest, I avarage around 3-4 kills, and the only times I die is often when I'm out of ammo. But this is of course from player to player. Good video and reasoning!
This is why you buy these vehicles during sales.
Yeah I really regret not caving and getting the a10 lol
0:49 avg FOX-3 moment
You know what this thing reminds me of? The Mig 21 Bison. It's serviceable but not worth the money for what you get from it. They nerfed the other premium into the ground exclusively so you HAVE to buy this thing in order to grind Sweden efficiently and it doesn't even do it that well cause 13.0 gets sucked into 13.7.
After having looked at some pictures of ancient egypt, I kind of need this now to calm down before going to sleep. Thank you for the upload
0:31 The missile knows where it it at all time
Seek.... ima need ya to not bash it to prevent the noobs from buying it. I'm getting tons of kills in my 15e cus these guys dont know how to play lol
To be fair, it stands no chance against a competent F15E
@SeekerHead most things don't let's be honest. But with thr 15e added 90% of my ARB matches have been the local dad's support group of lawn mowers
I bought the Viggen and in my opinion (despite not being a very good player) it is not that bad, being in 13.0 there is always the possibility of going to down tier and there it is a monster, I recommend it although if you can't because of its cost there is no big problem, the J35Xs is equally good and sooner or later you will unlock the ViggenDI which is free.
I agree with everything, but at 13.0, it's still the best way to grind the Sweden air tree by far. I play the AV-8B+ and it's excellent at the same BR cause it sees down tiers more often.
Funny thing is that if planes were like 10-30€ i would actually buy them :DDD but yeah not for 80 for one plane. I wont support this bs
Dude yeah. Literally just price them what they should actually be priced and Id buy a lot of them.
@@Ekdrink yeah, but you know I get it, it saves you a lot of time, SL and stuff. BUT!! this is not aceptable with planes that are only a premium and cant be accesed without a paywall, like f20. I was waiting for this thing to come out for at least 5 YEARS. My favourite plane in the world after F5. But I aint paying that stupid money, just out of principle
Played the ice for a few rounds and actually had a decent time at the new br f4s made for kindoff a black hole still lol
One premium plane for one techtech for 80 bucks. Thats more money as for the one or the other AAA-title.
Insane
I’ve already seen at least 20 people under lv 15 in custom matches with this jet, they are easy to dunk on
You can dogfight with the Viggens pretty well even with the new flight model you just have to be very careful not to bleed your speed. That being said at 13.0 it's gonna be garbage at dogfighting.
Rb74 is an standard AIM9L no IRCCM. This Viggen sits at 13.0 not 13.3. And the TT variant is only 200k RP I grinded it with the normal Viggen D at 12.0 in 2h
i didnt say it had IRCCM
Talking about getting teamkilled when you tk someone is wild xD
That was the point
The only issue i had flying this so far is that they made ARH missiles splash harder on the deck so multipathing is screwed again
Otherwise the plan3 is fine, i dont understand where the idea comes from that the GM is worse than the phantom wh3n you can put up a good fight against foes like f15 f16 and su27
And a good point to NOT BUY this is that you have the same Aircraft with ARAAMS in the Tech Tree for free. I am almost ending the grind of Sweden TT just with regular aircrafts: J26 > BF109 G6 > Saab 105G > A32A > MiG-21bis > All the Remaining Tier VIII.
Godd thing about maining France is that since gaijin dont add shit to the tree you cant get scamed by the snail
The ja37C the one at 11.3 is goated
This thing being 13.0 BR is insidious. It will make older 12.0 premiums obsolete, but at the same time will fight 13.7 on a regular basis. Nice job Gaijin.
I’m a disgusting wallet warrior who bought this. Unlike others, I have other 13.7 planes. What I can say about using this is that it’s very rough when facing actual 13.7s because of the huge discrepancy in flight performance from gen 3 to gen 4 aircraft. Another huge disadvantage I noticed is no HMD. Lastly, it really does need IRCCM dog fighting missiles, with only aim-9Ls, it simply cannot dogfight, once you fire off all your AMRAAMs, you need to go to base ASAP. Overall, this plane is a mixed bag, I’ve had fun playing it, but it also has frustrating attributes. Unless you’re experienced at 13.7, do not buy this plane. I have a friend who bought their way to top tier with this and are having a really rough time.
What button are you pressing to change target in tws?
One snail's greed is out of control
Just grinding out the tech tree one. Was working on the gripin c but seems like a better option to get get the viggen i being its also a 13.0 with the gripin a
Don't grind Sweden with premiums.
You don't need to. As you said theres plenty of gems that you can talisman and the tree is short, so I can agree there.
Secondly, the "unique" strength of the Viggen is its high prolonged speed. With time, it can reach 1.2M on the deck and it has no rip speed.
This is great at 11.3 but a lacklustre strength at 13.0+. This opens a whole can of worms on its own.
I don't know why they do, but I suspect the Viggen isn't someone's favourite at Gaijin. They were very quick to act on a bug-report stating the Viggen was slightly overperforming in its sustained turn rate while completely ignoring other bug reports stating the Viggen isn't accelerating as fast as it should nor hitting its stated service speeds.
I love this plane in game, but I do firmly believe its been shafted a little.
video ends at 1:33
top tier is supposed to be where you find the elite, it's where you find the most noobs, imma get back to props
Its not the price, but the fact that someone actually pays 80 bucks
This plane is the true reason gaijin disabled friendly fire, change my mind :D
Cheeks rwr? Welcome to the soviet/chinese air tree experience, enjoy your flight!
Tried to dogfight a harrier with the viggen, went down to 200km/h when turning...
With these prices they should add a multi tree premium it would be 1.5x more expensive but it would be useable for multiple trees for example an f16A it would be useable for the us israeli french trees, 80$ for a plane that you can only use for 1 tree is too much, any opinions on this multi tree premium?
So it's basically an F-4F ICE but dorito shaped
They should have given R-77 to MiG-21 Bison instead
Premium F-4F ICE knockoff is crazy
0:43 SO YOU GET TO TEAMKILL??? HOW AM I BANNED FOR 60 DAYS? I haven't even teamkilled???😭
Plus you got at the same time the same vehicle in the techtree 😭
Mig21 bison also had ARH missiles before this
bison has no ARH missiles
it is cheaper to buy a full fidelity viggen for dcs than a simplified one in war thunder that is going to fight jets much more advanced than it
At least it isn’t the J35XS lmao Gaijin fucked that thing up
what sucks is that this is literally the only “good” aircraft to grind the entire swedish tech tree. the j35xs has absolutely zero chance to fight anything at its br
- no rwr
- 12 cm
- BARELY supersonic
- very very very small fuel quantity
- can only last one turn and then your fate is up to the # of players around you
- 6 of some of the worst missiles in game(especially at 11.0)
the j35xs was at the same br as the mig 21, which is superior in literally all of these aspects. but oh it’s 0.3 lower(it still fights mig21s a lot)
I mean be as it may, I'm at 4.0 in the Finnish tree and I'm going to get this.
For 40 bucks in a year. 😂
After fully going through the US tree and genuinely enjoying top tier experience more than 7.0- 9.x/10.x, only thing that might change my opinion is j35x getting it's radar gunsight for sim/RB.
But yeah no, while I could afford it, and I'm sure that even at 1 euro per hour I'd get my moneys worth with it, I'll be waiting for sale.
Next year, premium F-35/Su-57
57 is more alike 22
@@Янус_Ырт See? not top tier so it can be made premium!
Why did your missile even go for the Mig29 I've never had a radar missile do that XD
Could i beat this plane in my jf17?
Its at the same br.
Shouldn't the JA-37D radar be superior to the JA-37C radar? I thought some upgrade occurred to it.
yeah but it was all incremental PRF and processing updates which bumped the range and fidelity up a bit more but not too significantly
It could alse get the jas39c ms 800 aesa radar ja37di was a testbed for it and a testbed for the cobra sight
@@CruLisP Not sure where this comes from, the only confirmed new equipment for the specific airframe you're talking about is the IR-OTIS, RB73E, ODEN and a different UFC, other than that PS05 (MS800 isnt a real radar afaik) isnt confirmed to be tested in that airframe or the other airframe that used IR-OTIS
0:31 typical lvl 5 premium noob ;) It is amazing how many of these premium Viggens flying around. Gaijin could bring the F-14D for 100 dollars and people would buy it like crazy lol
The players keep proving Gaijin right...
This preem is held back by its radar range and platform.
correct me if im wrong but didnt World of tanks start going downhill once they introduced super expensive OP premiums? Not saying a Viggen with AMRAAMs is OP but im noticing a trend is all
what is realy supring that they ad a not preium version that its just 100% the same.
i realy hope people dont buy this.
In current top tier meta flight model is not that important. For average war thunder player 1 kill or ever 0.75 kills per battle is enough.
It still will be more profitable and less frustrating then countless hours of grind needed to get top of the line plane. Especially for ground players whom just want to get CAS plane for GRB.
But i still hates this is happening..
Flight model is extremely important to be able to nodge fox 3 missiles thats why The f15e is so op rn IT can Just outrun AIM 120
I know you didn’t cover it “technically”, but I presume you’d also say the tech tree Viggen isn’t worth it due to it being at 13.0
Sure, but at least it’s not 80 actual hard-earned dollars that is wasted along with it.
People should stop Gaijin from doing this shit
I actually dont mind this one cause i have used and gone against it a few times and its pretty balanced, players who lack skill are self correcting
viggen fm is not as bad as you described it, it wipes the floor with most 3rd gen aircraft in a duel at 12.0 but going 1v1 in an air rb match was never a good idea in any plane. It doesnt need a better radar because you wont be launching any amraams at more than 50km anyways. Youre more agile than a f4 and faster than it and has far more countermeasures, the only downside is the 9Ls and rwr. and its 13.0 not 13.3.
Viggen loses to AE phantoms in duels now. That’s just facts.
@@SeekerHead i persume you tested that with 2 very good duelists?
That’s the word on the street from trustworthy ones, not me.
I can make use for this money for the value of the jets in DCS
at least in my country it isn't 80 dollars converted to my currency, bc otherwise it would cost 1/3 of the minimum wage
I politely disagree. Yes, you have a lot of disadvantages in the Viggen and it bleeds way too much speed in a curve but if you use hit and run tactics, stay on the deck until the furball develops and if you can suprise the Enemy team with smart radar usage this plane can be very effective. I‘ve played 10 Games so far in it and I get at least 2 kills per Match.
Should it exist as a premium? Absolutely not, this plane doesn’t belong into the hands of unexperienced players but experienced players can make it work.
Experienced players can make any plane work. That doesn’t mean it’s good. That’s not productive to the conversation of a good plane when examining it compared to its peers. There’s many other planes at 13.0 that are easier and more consistent to make work, meaning they’re objectively better, and once more than 50% of them are objectively better, that makes the viggen objectively bad.
GTA VI will probably be closer to $100 dollars, if not more. Let's not kid ourselves, Rockstar know what GTA VI is worth.
Bruh even a F-5E could probably beat that 😂
just wait for christmas sale it's like a month
the viggen will not be on sale since it is new
Isnt the new tech tree AMRAAM Viggen basicly the same
In the past you've said that flight models dont really matter in top tier because nobody dogfights; which i agree with. why would it matter for this jet?
Everything matters to an extent. The Su27 flight model for example typically doesn’t matter a whole lot, despite being the worst dogfighter at top tier. The plane still pushes well past Mach 1, has plenty of thrust to weight, and as long as you have speed it doesn’t really lose the speed through turns.
The issue is that the viggen is an 11.0 flight model fighting at 13.0, often times 13.7. It’s slow to get supersonic by comparison, doesn’t keep being super sonic through turns, and loses all speed instantly in any resemblance of a dogfight that it takes 3-4x longer to get back than its peers.
@@SeekerHead Couldn't you say the same about the other 13.0 jets planes that have Fox-3s? I don't think anyone playing the F-4F ICE or Harrier is under the impression that they can win a dogfight against basically anything at their BR and probably wouldn't even do well in a dogfight in a full downier. Their whole shtick is the AMRAAMs and they have to be played that way.
I haven't flown the new Viggen but I have flown the F-4F pretty extensively and it does ok as long as you stick to BVR. The flight model absolutely holds it back but its an AMRAAM carrier at 13.0 so shouldn't it have a poor flight model to compensate for that?
You have the F4F so that’s great, now imagine your flight model being even worse, with no IRCCM IR missiles, and a shitty RWR. That’s the viggen. Same BR. $80
@@SeekerHead Ah, now i see lmao
Honestly just get the tech tree version, it's a 1:1 match and doesn't cost ovaries and testes.
My brother in Christ, have you heard of Star Citizen?
Chris Roberts is a shithead money grubbing con man. But I will say. I love me some Star Citizen when it works, F7C Mk II and F8C Lightening pilot here. Corsair is my workhorse
1:36 I just said that in a TH-cam comment and everyone said I just suck… would love to see you do a 1v1 with an F4E to shut the idiots up 😂
No one cares about 1v1s in WT lol
There's no problem with premium vehicles themselves (unless they're utterly unfinished and artificially nerfed for no good reason like US ones), there is a problem with premium vehicles when they are blatantly unbalanced and have an absurd cost on top of that.
This shit is unbalanced, and $80 is way too much for any premium, especially when you're paying that much for vehicles like the US gets that are released unfinished, get nerfed into the ground afterwards artificially due to incorrect implementation, and are half assed to hell and back.
Daily reminder they didnt added the Bizon with R77s because they said no premium would have FOX3s
They never said that
Give the F-20 their AIM-120
no wait I want to buy a 80$ pixel