Can An Idiot Tune An Old Ferrari The Traditional Way? Engine Tune Ferrari 308
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- Can a perfectly ordinary bloke properly tune an old carb fed ferrari 308? what's more can he balance the carbs using the tube method? Here I tune the fuel mixtures, check the ignition timing and then take it out to see how it drives!
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Call me superstitious but I would not get rid of that car. It's what defined this channel to begin with and has been your lucky charm despite all the aggro it gave you. And now it's sorted you should definitely enjoy it as a good weather car.
As much as the Influenza has gained the channel popularity Id definitely say it was Jack's 964 that defined the channel. That was the car that initially attracted me to subscribe . After many cars gone by , I still enjoy my weekly Number 27 fix .
There will be a time I expect the 308 to be passed to it's next custodian as I understand Jack is a big believer in the mantra , "Variety is the spice of a TH-cam channel life "
Keep going Giacomo👍🏻❤️👊🏻😎
@@hunterdubber2915 964 ? Never heard of it . . .
Same here ... but I wud get rid of the old fuel and ignition system and bring the 308 into 21st century
@@princesssolace4337yeah it can be done, the car wizard did it, however he is having issues, can’t remember but it had something to do with the computer
@@jimamizzi1 A friend got a 308 GT4 UK rhd, shipped it over to Kuala Lumpur where its gonna reside for the rest of her life. He uses Haltech Elite 2500 ecu, Jenvey itbs ... reason for doing it bcoz he wants to crank it up first time everytime, tired of tuning the carbs and it is much better in reliability. He tuned it by volumetric efficiency to a 100 octane punp gas which is cheap in Malaysia plus it gives a better mileage. The COP with sequential injectors gives a better torque curve and much improve Hp.
Car wizard shud just go for Haltech Elite ecus, kinda pricey but with the tech support it's better value for money. He shud stop mucking around with cheap ecus
This is the 1st time I've heard you say how well everything's going without anything blowing up 5 minutes later 👍
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am loving this series on your old Ferrari. The ups and downs of parts breaking or wearing out, fitting better parts and having to fiddle about with carburetion etc to get those days when it all comes together and it feels bloody brilliant. My old Ducati is much the same and I like the fact that it's not computer controlled, new cars and bikes are amazing but I can't really fiddle with the plastic covered engines and electronic suspension. More reliable maybe but boring.
No! Keep it Jack, it’s such a legacy and a tribute to everything you’ve done on the channel! Part of the family now!
That car sounds fantastic and the wide grin you were trying to suppress was great to see.
Your efforts to fettle this car have been great to watch and this car seems to be one one those cars that has a soul and you have managed to bring some its verve back. It would be a shame if it didn't get to continue its life as car that gets owned and critically driven by someone who does not share your passion.
If you decide to sell it hopefully you can be choosy about who you sell it to. It would be terrible if it was just sold to a speculator who never drove it and it just sat in a warehouse or just as bad if it was sold someone who didn't realise they need to put some effort in to keep it running at optimum levels.
So happy to see that everything is going well with the influenzo....but a small part of me did want something to go wrong...I wish i had the funds for it, but alas....
All you need is Matt Monro on the 8 track stereo and you are there, The Cotswold Job. You have to keep the car.
Dam that exhaust note sounds great, its a shame that your thinking of selling it.
Looks like its working/sounding/looking great Jack, well done on your efforts! It's your car to sell as you wish, you've done your very best for it, & so many more cars to buy/try out!
Perhaps a Ferrari get together/little roadtrip with JayEmm & Ratarossa, you all have such different cars? Wishing you many happy miles! 🙏🙏
If one understands how things like this work, then it is no problem to fix or tune. Ive had my 308 for 16 years and i do everything on it from valve grinds to bearing changes.
Jack: this is weird: it has never looked so beautiful and has never run so well, so the answer? Sell it ???? Don't you dare !!!!~!~!
You will for ever regret selling it as the yrs roll by .Just do gen maintenance + upkeep vids.Your channel needs this car .
Always great to see this one. Take care Jack
Hi Jack, your not an idiot. You wouldn’t have been able to fix a Ferrari otherwise. Have a good weekend.
Is that the road that Harry uses too...??
Tuning multiple carb engines is why I decided to become a diesel mechanic!
It's the reason why I'm quite happy with mechanical injection on my classics. It's analogue and old school, but doesn't put itself out of tune if you look at it wrong.
@@althejazzman The main advantage here is the noise, injected 308/328s sound like nothing!
Though this heartbreak and how tough it seems to fathom is absurd to watch.
The payoff should be worth it here!
Jack, your efforts and perseverance on the Ferrari 308 has been fantastic to watch, the highs and lows, everything. And what a Ferrari, Robin Masters would be proud. Whichever your decision, thanks for sharing your journey to success.
More influenzo!! Car really looks and sounds great, well done!
Jack, you have pretty much JUST got that car looking and sounding really proper! Why get rid of it now? Keep it for a bit, and enjoy the 'fruits' of your MANY labours!!
You really need a big moustache! That would complete the project. Cheers.
Your car gas gone from sounding like a sick puppy, to an absolute joy to hear being driven. Bodyshop did a great job, too - I could see the difference immediately.
Well done on how well the Influenzo has turned out Jack! Your an inspiration to us all I'm sure!
I would be sorry to see the Influenzo go but I'd be as equally excited for it's replacement 🤗👍
A great update on the 308 Jack, no doubt Iain is having a chuckle! Now that's it's sorted so well and you want to use it, I would suggest a road trip into France/Italy with maybe Harry or STG for the company!
An ordinary bloke doesn't have a 308.........
Looks like a Ferrari… sounds like a Ferrari… you got yourself a Ferrari baby 😂. Have some summer fun Jack.
Get rid of InfluEnzo?! But it's so pretty, and sounds so good! No, really, I understand if the 308 is about as sorted as you're willing to go, you need a project car for the channel. In keeping with the Italian disaster theme, I'd take the proceeds from InfluEnzo and buy a 80's Alfa GTV6 Busso as a project car, that is, if your health can handle that much stress.
I'm currently re-watching Magnum and in the first season there's an episode where Magnum is 'Forced' by Higgins to get the Ferrari 'Serviced'. Magnum, being a cheap-skate gets TC to do it, rather than taking it to a Ferrari garage and for much of the rest of the episode it's backfiring and stalling as Magnum only paid TC $20 🤣
Jack this car is the fundations of your channel!!!! If it was sold i would less interested in your videos!!!! Car ( from the outside sounds Good ) seems to be running well!!!!
I notice that Iain Tyrrell uses a smaller diameter listening pipe than you, which might have two benefits. It increases the gas speed past the open end, and it allows the pipe to fit further into your ear, both of which should make the carburettor flow noise clearer.
Shes so beautiful 😮, sounds AWESOME 👌 🤟🤠🇬🇧👍💯
That 8:19 soundbite of it bodies any fuel injected 308/328 I’ve seen. However good the reliability must be on those you can’t beat this noise!
As for you keeping it, I am sure the sustained heartbreak has been tough to navigate but…if it stays sorted and it carburettors properly from now on…
No other car suits you as much as Influenzo. It’s uncanny!
Love the car everytime I see it.
Hope you end up keeping it!
Doubt a coupe would’ve helped much chassis flex wise though, for a sports car experience it seems the 308 GT4 is a better drive! What a car though.
Much love from Greece!
Wait till Ratarossa finishes the 512 and swap him for the Influenzo :)
The 308 sounds downright NASTY! (in a good way) You've put a LOT into this thing and it has helped you grow the channel immeasurably... at least keep it thru the summer before making any rash decisions.
Awesome car. Please do a few more videos in its finished form before you move it on. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
It made my day seeing you with a rubber tube stuck in your ear mate! 🤣🤣
Thanks buddy!! Hope you’re well…
Iain Tyrrell tunes the carbs that way (or at least he shows that), and some old expert mechanics here in Argentina did the same, tuning the carbs with a tube, hearing the engine.
I tend to think that using one vacoumeter per carb barrell simultaneosly leads to a better, finer result.
Best wishes.
Please keep it. That way I won't be tempted to buy it and bring it to the US...
sound fantastic, glad it's sorted finally, drive it all summer long.
Jack beautiful work! I had a hard time using the hose method to check the air flow balance of my carbs as well. However I found it worked beautifully to adjust the mixture to be spot on. You can hear down the barrels slight pops and crackles when it’s too lean and it almost whistles a bit as it gets too rich. I found this got the carbs on my 308 a lot better dialed in than just listening to the revs go up and down. For timing definitely check it again at 5k. I have mine at 34 degrees at 5k which gave me about 10-11 degrees at idle. The throttle is quite responsive with it set that way. Great work though. I think you need to keep the Influenzo around. I’m sure it will find a way to create more content for you. We’d hate to lose you as a fellow 308 owner 😊
It’s Not a Convertible...🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
So good to see it working properly! You can't even think about selling it till you've taken it to the Alps! (and then you may never sell it ;) )
Iain Tyrrell is actually a trained musician being a singer. I think that explains his extraordinary ear.
Sometimes you forget just how good looking this car is. So beautiful. I really dislike coupes, but would struggle to sell this car. Given how truly sorted it is I feel like maintaining it into the future requires your level of enthusiasm. These cars are artworks, and need to be tended to by people like you so not only are they maintained, but also seen by young and old so that this level of beauty remains in our consciousness.
According to BABVVO and TEBBVO laws sadly soon all gas cars will be illegal in EU, USA and most states of Scandinavia. In Switzerland there is the HESCHLAVVO law and in France aditionally la SCHLABOUBVE, preventing that any combustion car enters any large city from 2025 on!
Keep the car and grow a moustache.
No,no,no you can’t sell her ☹️
Looks and sounds perfect now. Problem will be any buyer won’t have to look far to see it’s cantankerous history.
Love this car, guilty pleasure. Don't sell!!!!! (Or sell it to me!😉) Thanks for bringing her out again!
It is spring and love is in the air! 308 is the proof of that! She also sounds lovely!
She is like any wild women hard to tame?
It's zero-VED as a historic 40+ yr-old car, and likely MoT-exempt, so what's not to like? You could drive this every day in London without incurring ULEZ charges and wave two fingers at the Mayor.
There's a reason Ian is Ian ;)
Oh I love this "affordable Sportscar" content (also like the Frankenlise Content a lot - unfortunely it fell short on this channel).
Sell the Influenzo and buy something comparable again... this kind of content does not get old I guess. Seing you to fight through such a project is definitely worth to subscribe. TBH I do not like the Peugeot content that much. It is just also a bit about getting hands on something really not bread/butter like stuff if you know what I mean. So next car? Should be something like the Influenzo again... can be sth old, but it should be special, I do not have in mind a Peugeot or a Benz or a Beamer...
But I am hooked I guess lol (I am with you for some years now, even before the Influenzo - I think I started with you on an Evora which was also really good content, made me nearly buy one, too).
I really like the way you present in your videos and most likely I would also see your content if it was "just" a Peugeot.
Keep on your good work and thanks for the effort (I am meanwhile also trying to do some YT Content and found out that one Minute of content takes me approx. 20-30mins in total until it is edited and until there is a proper audio track (I do different content compared to you)). Very much appreciated!
Oh my god that car finally sounds like it should. Well done for persevering - I'd have lost patiences years ago. :)
That sound is fantastic isn't it
Well it has been a long journey (understatement) but I think you have got there! I like what the paint shop have done, looks good. I would tune it with the airflow meter mainly because I am now almost deaf in one ear so that would be a fail for me! I think you should enjoy the car for a while at least if only to get pleasure from your work. Great sounding car Jack thank you for taking us for a spin.👍👍
I owned and with tremendous remorse sold a beautiful 1977 GTB…I now own and, with meager amateur skills, maintain a 1978 GTS (carb rebuilds, fuel hoses, gearbox oil pan gasket, ignition coil, wires, plugs, fluids, etc). Though the GTB would bring a higher value, the GTS is much more enjoyable for me to drive with the top removed. I hope you don’t sell as I feel this 308, like mine for me, has become a part of your life journey. Thanks for the great video. ‘78 GTS 25349.
Here's a suggestion people.... for your 308 fix.... Hire one from Ferrari Rentals in Honolulu and then just give it back! 😂
Another member here, I will stop watching your channel if you, Jack, number 27, decide to sell The Influenzo. I will unsubscribe if that happens!!!
It's the main reason along with your meeting with Tyrrell that brought me to your channel.
Im a retired tech and worked at a dyno tune shop for import and exotics in San Diego, Ca in the 70's and 80's. Good video but shouldnt you set the timing to get the spark in the right relationship to the pistons then mess with the carb mixtures? Im definately not calling you out on that, im just wondering how much i forgot through the years
“Driven it swiftly without being terrified”…..love it 😆
After all that work, heartache, frustration and finally success I don’t know how you can consider selling it. It’s a fabulous sunny weather car.
An excellent series, thank so much 🙏
Molto bene, Jack. You've cured Influenzo. I will be sad to see it leave the garage, but perhaps it's time to move on. This freshly sorted 308 could move you into something quite nice indeed. You might just miss that glorious sound, tho...
That must be such a buzz driving the now fixed and tuned 308 along country roads on a beautiful English spring day. Bravo!
As for potentially selling it, I get it but you must get another problematic Ferrari to replace it. A different model maybe? For me that’s what I love about this channel.
Did you check the timing and dwell before adjusting the mixture?? You should make sure the carbs are breathing equally before adjusting the idle mixture screws..
What to do with the Influenzo? It´s obvious. Use it! Preferably on a long road trip.
Maybe we´ll even meet up in the Austrian alps, or at the international oldtimer meeting in Baden Baden.
Don´t now start talking about many miles. I live in Sweden and do long European tours every year, be it at a length of 4-5 weeks.
May I also suggest you do the video diaries "Influenzo let out of quarantine" covering the events, happenings and sights along the trip.
Get rid of the carbs and distributor caps ... get an modern Haltech ecu, crank+cam sensors , wideband 02 sensor, COP, 8 injectors + iTBs, internal high pressure fuel pump and it wud be reliable and it wud sound much better
I kept my 308, 1 year younger than yours but just like it
, for 12 years. Don’t get rid of it for at least 3 years and then get another Ferrari like a 355 coupe, if you like, which needs your loving touch!😊
I live in a condo, and if I am on my balcony I can hear a Ferrari coming. That sound. Don't get me wrong, there are far more Porsche 911s and blinged Merc AMGs, other hot German cars, but they sound completely different.
Urgh, so much bad advise and incorrect terminology!
The BANKS are the left and right cylinders of engine which lay front and rear because transverse. NOT the left and right carbs. You do NOT do the mixtures before synchronising the air flow because when you synchronise the flow the mixtures change😂. You set the flow with the throttle links relaxed then synchronise the movement.
You do NOT tension the throttle cable like that, you set full throttle travel and cable tension independently to carb balancing. What you've done there may stress and break the cable. On your road test you keep flooring the throttle..... it will always feel and sound good on high throttle regardless of your synchronising job because you only synchronise a closed throttle. The true test of tune is driving on small throttle where you're on the progression passages.
PLEASE talk to Ferrari or carb tuning experts before you make videos like this. it's such terrible information here.
Oh my, exactly what I needed! I am indeed also an idiot and would love to know how our kind tune carbs!
I've been through this process several times. In fact I'm working on a C4 Corvette, now. The problem is that I never know whether I _really_ like a car until _after_ I've refurbished it. Of course, I've spent an awful lot of time and money over the decades. Sometimes it works out beautifully, sometimes it's a huge disappointment.
Jack, you've put too much blood, sweat and tears into the Influenzo to even consider parting ways with it.
It is a 3 pedal car, and as such, it will fetch a very nice premium in today's market, but I suspect it would be like selling your baby.
Keep it and enjoy the hell out of it. You own a Ferrari. Not many can say that.
Don't sell the influenzo Jack....its became a part of you now. If you do decide to part with it and, it was you I seen that day (thete can't be many around in the uk), you should drive by and let me see it close up. You can have a nostalgic shot of the busso 👍.
It'll make my year ❤️😊
Do the obligatory Ferrari trip/adventure to Maranello and back first….make it a couple of episodes for us…then decide to sell! A ‘lefty’ needs to be enjoyed in Europe where you can enjoy some spirited overtaking on some awesome backroads.
Today you have mastered the 308 Carb mechanics & tomorrow the world! Well done! I sense closure (which is great for you and sad for us) What next?
you are as bad as my customers, "thanks for sorting out all my faults, it's spot-on now since i spent all that money, so i think i will sell it now"..... WHY ???..... [don't]
Ooh I’m not quite sure how I’d feel about the old Influenzo going 😢all those ups and downs . It’s like Ratarossas Testa . It makes the channel . But ultimately it’s your car Jack so maybe there’s another interesting project on the horizon. At least I still have an Influenzo valve as a keep sake 😉
Hello Jack, thank you for this video always so pleasant to watch
I look forward to the day you will try a 1984 Aston Martin Vantage Oscar India !
Keep it, and as @daveshongkongchinachannel1319 said it's defined your channel. Take on a holiday to Italy. Make sure you take us along
Apart from the engine sound, imho the best thing about the Fezza is that it’s a convertible! Open top motoring adds SOO much to the driving experience of any car, especially a sportscar.
You've come too far with this journey (us subscribers too), to sell it...... Its an integral part of you and this channel.
You don't sell a classic Ferrari like that. Never ever. Get rid of the Elise and the 306 and everything else. Including the house. Never the Ferrari 🇮🇹
Hmm keep it - do a Harry style road trip. Sell the lotus first. This is the new cornerstone of your channel. I joined when you had the 964 which I miss - be cautious with dropping your key asset…..
Influenza is looking and sounding the part! Great vid as usual...cheers!!!
It's a lovely car but what would you replace it with? *Another 911 maybe?* Mark
Hi
I have the specific methodology to set the 308 carbs from Bidermann or something close.
Do you have it ?
Number 27 the car comes with a top for a reason, if you dont like it with the top off, put the top on, and you can always drive it at night with the top off, as the best time for a convertible is actually in the fall when the light isnt that direct, its warm ish, and you can just enjoy the open top with the heater on
so its really a matter of learning when you like to use the top, dont leave it off because that is what magnum did, he lived in Honolulu, not kensington lol plus maybe look for some better roads or do a harry metcalf to somewhere beautiful like the Meißner in Hesse Germany, you know, make time and go some place with it
and if your worried about chasis flex, anti roll bar, people mod these things to be like mini 288 GTO's look up some chasis stiffiners without doing the shocks
actually maybe do the shocks next as you've seen the smoking tires videos on his 328, turns out the shocks were shot and it was actually pretty damn good once its sorted
and yours has been modified, like look for an all stocker to review and see how they compare and take notes on
as everyone thinks they know better than the manufacturer till they dont, heck the only real defect I've ever seen with a ferrari is the F355 with the fuel lines and valves
and it turns out the fuel lines is because of the way people shortcutted the service intervals and pulled it, the engine out in such a way that it rubs against the already aging fuel lines and caused it to fail.
the valves were sodium filled however and they do become brittle, but such is the nature of new technology, and why you wait the 3 to 5 year rule to get one that's had all the revisions done to it
which is why ferrari was very much about old faithful to a fault, such as laughably wanting drums over discs and having a live axel on a now 80 million dollar ferrari that doesnt even have the same dimensions on one side as the other
unless its been restored by the guy who did Michael J Fox's underwear in back to the future, and even then it still looked a hell of alot better as it was vs what it is now, now it looks like a 500 dollar model of a 250 GTO
rather than a geniune article that was raced and bashed all over southern california back in the day, and I still cant believe how cool that thing was till he ruined it
like I saw the thing in person and didnt even know it was the same damn car I saw on the rockford files a week earlier
as preservation above restoration, ALL THE BLOODY TIME I'll tell you that much, unless well, the front fell off lol or the frame is going or some nonsense like that lol
Great video 👍 When u are finished with it u can do a roadtrip to Mr.Tom and make him to see and mabye drive it and then sign it.. would be so cool and an awsome closure.! U and Mr.Tom with the Magnum intro played. Sell it to Mr.Tom 🙂
I much prefer your DIY videos and they are how I found the channel in the first place. It was refreshing to see a normal working guy trying to diy a Ferrari. Not a fan of your car reviews tho sorry. Main reason for commenting here though is this video is a bit back to front. The golden rule is that you always set/check timing first and carbs last.👍
Get a GTB to replace it and fix it up. For me the meat and potatoes of this channel has been the journey of you getting it sorted.
The road tests are fine but if Number 27 becomes another 'talk and drive' then I'll be on my way.
So,basically,you're tired of owning a problomatic car that's cost you a fortune and now you want to offload it to some naive person who doesn't know any better! Thats good of you Jack.
I adore that INFLUENZO…….
He has a mind of his own🇮🇹🇮🇹
Shame you can't balance the carbs like on an old motorcycle - with a manifold of vacuum gauges. So much easier when you don't have to keep moving your device from carb to carb and back again, ad infinitum, ad nauseam.
That hose is just a gimmick.
There are literally millions of multi-carbed motorcycles on the road and all serious bike mechanics will balance those carbs using a set of vacume gauges.
On cars with multi carbs or multi TB's you should do the same.
Fantastic job! I wish I could buy it, but alas I cannot. Dave'sHongKong is correct. You should keep the car that really helped build your channel. I am sure that most of us would enjoy updates. I know that I would. Maybe even taking a holiday somewhere beautiful when the weather is nice. Keep it Jack!!
Capristo exhaust next! This is why I subscribed to your channel. This car. Thank you.
Doesn’t an “Italian tune-up” include tearing ass around your neighborhood at max revs? 🤔
Surely the air meter should be used to adjust air bypass, or throttle closed position (idle screw) on each carb? The engine speed will be the same for all carbs, so adjusting mixture will not alter air flow differently for each carb.
Job well done! What a beautiful car. This is an icon of automotive art, together with the Lamborghini Countach are the all time design beauties. Please do not sell it, keep it in the family. I wish I had one!
I watch this channel primarily for the Influenzo updates. Don't ever sell it.
at least enjoy driving it at 100% running condition for a season... you'll grow to enjoy it, more than just tinker with it, and its not like its losing any value in the meantime. its not an Elise, it never will be. just consider it a GT car. it will be fun to drive it without listening out for something! remember the episodes with GoPros, and meters strapped all over it!
Get the old Colourtune kit out! Lol Seriously though, he's a brave man tackling that lot and too modest I'd venture! Personally I thought it was spitting a little on the road test, I'd of took it out straight after the carb adjustment, assuming that the timing was altered?
You've dropped my jaw. You prefer the hard top! GTS, your, is fabulous.