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I have a 1989 Porsche 930 Turbo and owned a 1985 308 GTS QV for 10 years. Both cars look stunning and are a blast to drive. In my case the 930 drives circles around the 308 but this is not about going fast. For me it was about the driving experience, maintaining and working on them myself. Both cars are very easy to work on if you have some skill. Enjoy your 308 my friend ! There’s never going to be another one like it.
D B pipe mate! Pipe! If I was to hazard a guess, I’d say overweight, American, late 40’s, early 50’s, divorced and bitter? I’d even say mullet back in the day. Stuck in the 70’s/80’s...go on, enlighten us and come out from behind the keyboard
I have owned a 1988 Porsche 911 Targa Carrera and a 1981 Ferrari 308GTSi Euro. I had a lot of stupid little problems with the Porsche and the wind noise from the Targa top was unbearible. The Ferrari 308GTSi was a much better driving car then the Porsche but being a little heavier then the Porsche not a s quick. I drove both cars as my daily driver and I would say the Ferrari was better over all and the A/C worked great.
My Targa (actually, it is no longer mine as I have given it to my son) is a 79' and I had to finally resolve myself to the fact that it pulls harder than my 82' Coupe. Even with the lower C:R the big port heads make a noticeable difference.
Enzo Ferrari told the story of the prancing horse logo just once: The horse was painted on the fuselage of the fighter plane of Francesco Baracca - a heroic airman of the first world war. In '23, I met count Enrico Baracca, the hero's father, and then his mother, countess Paulina, who said to me one day, 'Ferrari, put my son's prancing horse on your cars. It will bring you good luck'. The horse was, and still is, black, and I added the canary yellow background which is the colour of Modena.
It’s actually the same horse! The reason it was painted on the plane in the first place was because that pilot shot down a German plane from Stuttgart in World War One. He took the prancing horse from the plane he shot down as a souvenir.
This isn't true. The symbol isn't actually a horse, it's a mule. This is because Enzo Ferrari's favourite game was Buckaroo. So much so that he put a silhouette of the mule on his badge. The early versions had buckets and spades being kicked off by the mike but it was dropped as the badge had to be a foot long in order to accommodate all the equipment.
Heart - 308, Head - 911....Jack you say you're 'not a professional road tester', well I'd take you over Flintoff and McGuinness as a pundit any day 👍 Good luck with Pepe...
So glad it was just a snapped cable! The 911's nice, and I myself am actually in the market for one at the moment, but a "Magnum" 308 will always be my first love!
They are very different... I think they complement more than compete ;) The question is... Which would you take with both in the garage? The 308 is very nice in the highway and the 911 in the turns. I love them both! Franny
Thanks Franny! Nice to hear from you. Much admire your technical prowess!! Let’s do something soon like you did with Scott! Big hug from Oxford to you and Heidi!
I've driven and love both. The 308 is an absolute eargasm, as most Italian exhaust systems of the day. I daily drive my Porsches as they are reliable and totally predictable. Thanx for another great gearhead review Jack!
I had a 1975 308 GT4 for 20 years. Drove it daily from April 'til December. Once the fixes of what the previous owner passed on were done (brakes, tires, ignition system), I never had any problems. A great, fast, reliable car. At the very end of my ownership, I had to do some work on the carbs. (piece of cake!). Wouldn't hesitate to recommend one to anyone with a bit of mechanical skill, and an ability to use the internet. Wonderful car, and it seemed to enjoy being driven hard and at "throw me in jail" speeds as much as I did.
....these sort of cars would and should never attract because they are better daily’s. With cars like that it’s all about engagement, stimulating the senses.... and then, it’s of course personal preferences what stimulates your senses - hopefully it’s not day2day qualities 😉🙄✌️ Regards from my 1989 G-model and my 512 TR.
@franz stockmann 70% of Porsches are still on the road? Does that mean the rest made it back to their garages? (Like the old Harley joke.) Is that a front porche, or a back porche? Although Porsche styling or some of the engineering is not to my liking, at least porsches are not styled by Hans & Klaus who draw inspiration from a piece of 5cm X10cm Bavarian pine. Just yanking your chain, so don't go alt-left loonie on me.
Great video, loving to see lots of comments and discussion on your videos. It shows that your work is getting appreciated and that your understated and modest style is being appreciated by a wide cross section. Keep posting these videos as they are compulsory viewing and you are transitioning from cult viewing to mainstream viewing without losing any of your ubiquitous and laconic personality.
"It's like being in an old friend." Interesting choice of words! Chris at Centre Gravity is something of a legend in the Porsche community. If I had 40-50k to spend it would be a 997-2, or even possibly a 991, which you can now get for less than 50k. Everyone likes classic cars, but if I was spending my own money I would get the latest technology I could buy.
well I used to own a 911 SC... and it was not cheap to maintain- cheaper than a Ferrari? probably yes- but not actually cheap. The problem is not the cars construction though- it is the parts and the workshops (at least in Germany). And in the last 10 years classic Porsches have become so overpriced that nobody is actually driving their car and they are mostly kept in storage and that is the only thing they are not good at...
@@olik136 I guess I am counting on their air-cooling to reduce maintenance. One less system to worry about. I would also thing the aftermarket support for 911s to be better.
They are both horribly expensive. For what you get they are rubbish like most european cars. The only cars reasonable to maintain are proberly the ford cortina or escort.
I do all the work on my '81 911SC, and it's not horribly expensive. Oil change is $100 though since it takes 10 quarts of high ZDDP oil. IMO, if you are going to own a 30-40-50 year old vehicle, it's not a bad idea to know how to work on it.
@@CLA82529 I highly recommend finding one before the prices get even higher! Pay a reputable shop that specializes in air-cooled to inspect it if you cannot examine it up close. If you don't mind getting your hands dirty, you can do the basic maintenance (minor/major service, ie: oil changes, valve adjustment, V belt replacement, flushing brakes, etc) in your garage with a few hundred dollars (or, one repair bill from a shop) worth of tools.
Great video. I have a ‘76 911 targa in my garage that I am working on as I may have mentioned. So to get your perspective between the two, and also your feedback on the 911 is insightful. Your 308 sounds much better than the 911. The fact that your 308 broke down during the video really underscores the reliability discrepancy between the two. Classic.
Ferrari's prancing horse emblem was donated to Enzo Ferrari for the racing team when he was racing for Alfa Romeo, by the family fighter pilot Francesco Baracca who felt it would bring him luck!
From Wikipedia: The Prancing Horse used as part of Ferrari and Scuderia Ferrari logos and Ferrari symbol. Count Francesco Baracca (9 May 1888 - 19 June 1918) was Italy's top fighter ace of World War I. He was credited with 34 aerial victories. The emblem he wore side by side on his plane of a black horse prancing on its two rear hooves inspired Enzo Ferrari to use it on his racing car and later in his automotive company. Francesco Baracca's parents, who told Ferrari that their son used to paint a prancing horse on his airplane and suggested that if Ferrari applied the horse on his cars, he would have good luck. Now we know how Ferrari won so many races.
Thanks for the video: There's no right or wrong - we can't all like the same thing. For me, the 308 is lovely but the 911 is a more nuanced car and has more to offer in the long run. It's takes a while to get the best out of it (but learning is half the fun), it's fast, comfortable, well built and it's even more practical but like I said, each to their own. Enjoy whatever makes you happy!
Great video. And as the former owner of a 308, I agree with the specialness of it...and still a stunningly beautiful car all these years later. Ironically, the only time my 308 broke down it was also the clutch cable. At the time the car was 14 years old and it was the original cable with just over 90,000 miles on it. I had organized my support system of mechanics ahead of time, so even though it broke at 5 pm on a Friday afternoon, I was back on the road by 11:30 am Saturday morning. Never had another issue with the car in the 3 years and 36,000 miles I owned/drove it. Having to be more frugal with my money these days, I recently bought the true sports car bargain of today, a 2001 Porsche 996 C4. 82,000 miles with a good service history, it is a pleasure to drive, and it gives me a wonderful analog experience. But if I could get back into a 308, I would. Preferably for me, a Dino 308 gt4...I love the little back seat as a catch all. Truly enjoying all your videos. Thanks.
I have to add that I drove my 308 every day, it was my only car. Drove it to work, to the supermarket, to jury duty, took the animals to the vet...and again, only one breakdown. But I was seduced by the speed of a 93 RS America and that became the first of five Porsches. But the 308 was the purest car I've owned.
Another cracking video Jack! I much prefer listening to a "normal bloke " talk about cars than a journalist so don't put your self down 😉 ....... dont tell the InfluEnzo but id take the 911 out of the two🤫 👍
I simply can NOT get bored with your vids! This comparison was fair and impartial, and the truth is, I'd love to own both! Thank you again for the eye and ear candy vids you keep producing. Well done!
Both of these models can be seen racing each other on screen, in the movie "Against All Odds." James Woods drives the 308, and Jeff Bridges drives the Porsche.
As a young lad, I had 4 posters on my bedroom wall : a 308 GTS Quatrovalvole, a Testarossa, an F40 and a Lamborghini Countach. Never, ever did a Porsche make it onto my wall. And in the end, that’s why we buy those cars now. Not for the way they drive, but because we lusted after them all those years ago. And in that sense, there can only be one winner.
I found the Wevo short shifter was the best improvement for the 915 box. Much shorter throw and notched selector which totally transforms the agricultural 915 box. The 3.2 Carrera only received the G50 box in the last couple of years just prior to the 964.
Typically never comment on youtube and social media but just to say, videos are great. Been lucky enough to experience many cars on the road and in a race environment and think you do a great job with the videos. Keep it going. Thanks
You might have been able to fix that clutch cable with Bondic, at least to get you home. I own a classic Porsche and keep some in the glove box - you never know!
Great content as always!! As a 930 owner, i did chuckle to myself that only one car survived the duration of the video!!....but hold my hands up that the 308 is still a beauty. Thanks for another great posting.
Both vehicles are desirable..... and well out of my reach 🥴. The Ferrari 🎶 is vastly improved now and I just wouldn't know which to go for if the funds were available 🤔. With regards to "Pepe", have you got any leads yet? If not then I know a YT host with a different audience who, if asked, might help. Please let me know on this one Jack. Cheers 👍
As both a F 308 and P 964 owner, I really enjoyed your video, Jack! Such different cars. The 964’s were so much more refined it’s not a good comparison. The 308 sounds amazing and feels very different. The 911 driving position is so much better like you said. The 911 sounds so 911’ish! The Porscha ;) is much more solid and will drive all day. The 308 is more kit car but super fun. Definitely more people recognizing the 308 over a ‘lowly’ 911 (tongue in cheek).
"It is just a clutch cable..." My experience with Ferrari is that it is always "just something." Though an intoxicating experience when all is well, my prediction is after a few more years you will be slowly worn down and want a reliable driver with very few real surprises. I'm sticking with my '88 911. Thanks for another great cars and coffee morning in my living room!
I'm on my third Ferrari. Started with a Mondial > F355 > 360. The Mondial was 23 when I bought it and it did have a useless fuse box. Sure the F355 had a few small issues but nothing to hold it back. 360 had been perfect. With cars now it is more how previous owners have kept them.
Great video. To me, the 911 has always looked too much like a Beetle while the 308 is a rolling piece of art. I'd take the 308 hands down over the 911 any day, but like you, I'd expect it to break down repeatedly.
Exactly what I think about the Beetle lookalike. The 911 is the safe option, you'll not have the German on ramps anywhere near as long, but they're so drab, that interior is pretty non descript too. 308 all day for me, I'd forgive its fragile nature for those looks. Absolutely stunning 🇮🇹👍
@@neilwalsh4058 Don't worry I'll pick you up in my Porsche when your Ferrari breaks down in the middle of the road lol. And will both yell out POS Ferrari!
Good video, enjoyed it. The car can't really be faulted for the clutch cable, that's just an age/maintenance issue. You've started regularly driving an aged car which probably hasn't seen much use and those sort of things are going to bubble to the surface. Good on you for getting out and about in it and sharing it with us.
The Porsche 911 SC ... absolutely an iconic classic. Automotive engineering at it’s finest. The Ferrari 308/328 in particular has always been my personal favorite... beautiful exotic you have their and hats off to you for your successful restoration
Never liked Porsche but i understand why people love them. I just dont like the shapes and they are not aggressive. Porsche is made by engineers and Ferrari and lambo are made by artists.
Porsche had great engineers, to be sure, but had great artistry as well. Porsche styled their own cars, never made a practice of farming out the coachwork to outside designers as Ferrari and Lamborghini did.
This is so much more interesting, because it's coming from a car enthusiast and not a professional car reviewer. Not a single word felt biased in any way. It was your own personal views and truly honest opinions about these cars and I really appreciate that, as I'm sure a lot of your subscribers do also. And I also appreciate the fact that you don't beg for more subscriptions to get more views, although you deserve a lot more. As for the clutch cable breaking, that could as easily have happened on the Porsche. My personal preference between the two? The Influenzo, or course. More charm, better sound, better looks. All Porsches look alike to me. Thanks again for sharing this fine video.
Having owned a few Ferrari's and a couple of 911's - Porsche all day, every day thanks. Ferrari is too fragile, attracts the wrong sort of attention (mid life crisis etc) and the old 911's are very classy now IMO. The Ferrari thing is for many a lifelong automotive dream but the journey to owning one is better than the arrival. After you get acclimatised to ownership, the liability that they are with huge parts costs and outside of enthusiasts, the cars unfortunately draw a very negative reaction from most unless they are 12 year old lads. That said, the Prancing Horse will always hold a special place in many petrolheads hearts (including mine) but take away the sound......and they're just not that good.
In February I took my 1983 911SC on a 4000mile trip from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to San Francisco, California. I took the "long route", south to the Louisiana gulf coat then through the desert along the Mexican border all the way to the Pacific and then up Highway One to San Francisco. The car didn't skip a beat during the entire trip (i just lost the fuel filler cap somewhere in Alabama for which I then picked up a replacement at a classic Porsche specialist in Texas ). I don't think I would have attempted the same trip in a 308 since changing a clutch cable on a Ferrari in the middle of the night in the Arizona desert does not sound like an advisable thing to do.
Hi, just wanted to say that I appreciate your videos, it’s nice to get the opinion of a genuine ‘amateur’ petrolhead, and appreciate your honesty too. Really good work. 👍
i think the 930 3.3 turbo is prob the iconic shape of 911dom and the GTS will forever be the Magnum car, and better for it - as well as owning a couple of SCs I have driven a couple of 308s - one of them being GRP - the Ferrari makes you feel even more special - having said that, I had the 911s in my 20s and felt very proud looking back at the parked 911 (black with 3.3 turbo tail) - the door fit, feel and sound on closing is pretty special just by itself :) - GTS with Quad sports Ansa, panel out...just dribbling around town with that glorious over-run burble made you feel like a film star....errr, Magnum :)
One thing you can say about both cars: how small in size they are compared to todays cars. Great when parking or enjoying narrow country roads. The latest offerings from both companies seem huge. 14 years ago I was choosing between used unloved 964 and 348. Chose the 964, still have it, my only car, drives great on newly refurbished suspension. One piece of advice I was given before choosing: check the the parts cost and availabilty.
Great video and thoroughly enjoyed the comparison. Out if the two, my choice would be the 308. Its a little sexier than the SC. It think it grabs the eye better. I also enjoyed the sound from the 308. I'm an ex-pat living in Melbourne and have recently bought a Mazda RX8 as a toy. I really enjoy driving it and it puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel. You did a great job with your video and thanks for posting!
Thank you for showing these two wonderful classic examples of automotive benchmarks. I truly do love the Ferrari 308 GTSi and the 1984 Porsche 911 with a whale tail will always stop me dead in my tracks. Have a wonderful weekend and I look forward to more content like this!
As others have said the prancing horses are the same (Stuttgart coat of arms). I will take the 911 all day long and have owned my 1969 911T for over 16 years.
A broken clutch cable? I had no idea those 308’s had cables to activate the clutch. My Lancia Scorpion (Montecarlo) has a hydraulic clutch system that has never let me down. (Yet)
Ok...The "Il Cavallino Rampante"...Enzo Ferrari's brother Alfredo (Dino) Ferrari, worked in the ground crew of ww1 Italian Ace Francesco Baracca. Both, Francesco and Alfredo died in the war. Enzo, went to the family of Francesco and asked for permission to wear the Il Cavalino Rampante ( the rampant little horse) on his Alfa racing cars. (This was the livery on Francesco's plane) in honour of the two men. The family agreed...The tri-color is for Italia and the background color yellow is the official color of the city Modena. Your welcome. Marc
The 308 is pretty, but like most pretty things it'll leave you wanting more often than the stodgy looking SC. If you have to get somewhere, the SC would be the dependable choice. The SC is put together so well, it's like a tank. The 308 like many Ferrari's back in the day is not nearly as robust a chassis - pretty skin but quite ugly underneath.
1000 miles per year - 308. More than that - the SC. Your 308 is sounding so good now. 👍. And I applaud your patience with your classic cars - it’s needed. ( from an Opel Monza and MGA owner).
Comparing a Ferrari 308 with a 911 is like eating a delicious Italian meal vs. a boring schwaebian noodlebroth. My 308, meticulously maintained, never let me down on any of my tours. Driven properly, warming it up over 30 minutes or 30 km, and not using it for picking up a loaf of bread 2 minutes away fro the house, has made it an absolute joy to drive. Knowing the 911 G Models very well, this is no comparison of style and emotion, it is comparing a thoroughbred with a mass production car. Any 308 maintained well, today is better than whetting left the factory, that also adds to the experience and reliability.
As it shouldn't be given that a F430 Spider in 2005 was almost $190k in USA and the 997 C2 was $70k. So a car that cost less than half of the Prancing Horse wasn't in the same league. Well that's a shock to precisely no-one.
MrCarrera28 I didn’t (wouldn’t) buy either car new, I purchased the 997 911 from Porsche Colchester. It was a used 2005 model (see my channel). Ferrari was one of Two from a company that went bankrupt. Bought with the intention of selling as we got them both for 100k each, sold on for 250k the pair. Sure the 911 wasn’t the Turbo S but I’ve also driven those and they simply aren’t anywhere near as good. GT3 RS might come closer.
You can easily modify the gearshift on a 915 Porsche gearbox with an aftermarket short-shift kit. It’s only a couple of hours’ easy DIY and transforms the gearshift completely. Cost of parts: around €150.
NEXT EPISODES:
19. th-cam.com/video/NyRUYsrB1dc/w-d-xo.html Steering build fail + £40 mod every Ferrari 308 should have!
20. th-cam.com/video/957ZzrbbvDA/w-d-xo.html Fixing the damage.. Is my cheap Ferrari actually in danger of becoming a good car??
FULL EPISODE LIST: th-cam.com/play/PL-JmG4958QS8v5Bn2lol3bm8YQ4UNRstU.html
I have a 1989 Porsche 930 Turbo and owned a 1985 308 GTS QV for 10 years. Both cars look stunning and are a blast to drive. In my case the 930 drives circles around the 308 but this is not about going fast. For me it was about the driving experience, maintaining and working on them myself. Both cars are very easy to work on if you have some skill. Enjoy your 308 my friend ! There’s never going to be another one like it.
I have driven both and owned one of them. If I had to choose, it would be the 911 SC, preferably a 79👍
D B you’re talking pipe big man, you drive your mums corsa 🤦🏻
D B pipe mate! Pipe! If I was to hazard a guess, I’d say overweight, American, late 40’s, early 50’s, divorced and bitter? I’d even say mullet back in the day. Stuck in the 70’s/80’s...go on, enlighten us and come out from behind the keyboard
I have owned a 1988 Porsche 911 Targa Carrera and a 1981 Ferrari 308GTSi Euro. I had a lot of stupid little problems with the Porsche and the wind noise from the Targa top was unbearible. The Ferrari 308GTSi was a much better driving car then the Porsche but being a little heavier then the Porsche not a s quick. I drove both cars as my daily driver and I would say the Ferrari was better over all and the A/C worked great.
My Targa (actually, it is no longer mine as I have given it to my son) is a 79' and I had to finally resolve myself to the fact that it pulls harder than my 82' Coupe. Even with the lower C:R the big port heads make a noticeable difference.
@@norberthofer5830 rarely drive with the targa top on…😜. Looks like the Ferrari he has, it looks like a targa top also?
Enzo Ferrari told the story of the prancing horse logo just once:
The horse was painted on the fuselage of the fighter plane of Francesco Baracca - a heroic airman of the first world war. In '23, I met count Enrico Baracca, the hero's father, and then his mother, countess Paulina, who said to me one day, 'Ferrari, put my son's prancing horse on your cars. It will bring you good luck'. The horse was, and still is, black, and I added the canary yellow background which is the colour of Modena.
matt james ......I never knew that cheers for the info 👍
Me either! You learn something new every day!
It’s actually the same horse! The reason it was painted on the plane in the first place was because that pilot shot down a German plane from Stuttgart in World War One. He took the prancing horse from the plane he shot down as a souvenir.
This isn't true. The symbol isn't actually a horse, it's a mule. This is because Enzo Ferrari's favourite game was Buckaroo. So much so that he put a silhouette of the mule on his badge. The early versions had buckets and spades being kicked off by the mike but it was dropped as the badge had to be a foot long in order to accommodate all the equipment.
A Sensible Young Man.......What the hell have you been smoking 😳
Heart - 308, Head - 911....Jack you say you're 'not a professional road tester', well I'd take you over Flintoff and McGuinness as a pundit any day 👍 Good luck with Pepe...
Head wins here too. Heart = repairs, parking anxiety, insurance, etc.
Thank you Matthew, very kind!!!
I agree with absolutely everything you say. I'd certainly take Jack over the corpulent self styled encyclopedia who's name also starts with a J
So glad it was just a snapped cable! The 911's nice, and I myself am actually in the market for one at the moment, but a "Magnum" 308 will always be my first love!
They are very different... I think they complement more than compete ;) The question is... Which would you take with both in the garage? The 308 is very nice in the highway and the 911 in the turns. I love them both! Franny
Two of my favorite TH-camrs...Heidi & Franny and Number 27. Glad you guys have met.
Hey Franny you have the best of both worlds so you are very fortunate👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Have both of course :). Daily driver the 911. Weekend fun car, the 308. Easy peasy!
Thanks Franny! Nice to hear from you. Much admire your technical prowess!! Let’s do something soon like you did with Scott! Big hug from Oxford to you and Heidi!
Franny I love your videos as well as Number 27!! Much love from East, TN to the both of you!!
I've driven and love both. The 308 is an absolute eargasm, as most Italian exhaust systems of the day. I daily drive my Porsches as they are reliable and totally predictable. Thanx for another great gearhead review Jack!
I've got the same model and colour 911 SC in Sydney, 25 years ownership, a real joy !
Always a Porsche it’s a more daily car and the Porsche G - models have still the best 911 design !
Exactly my thoughts! And cars constructed by german engineering are much more reliable than an italian diva.
I had a 1975 308 GT4 for 20 years. Drove it daily from April 'til December. Once the fixes of what the previous owner passed on were done (brakes, tires, ignition system), I never had any problems. A great, fast, reliable car. At the very end of my ownership, I had to do some work on the carbs. (piece of cake!). Wouldn't hesitate to recommend one to anyone with a bit of mechanical skill, and an ability to use the internet. Wonderful car, and it seemed to enjoy being driven hard and at "throw me in jail" speeds as much as I did.
A daily car?...
....these sort of cars would and should never attract because they are better daily’s. With cars like that it’s all about engagement, stimulating the senses.... and then, it’s of course personal preferences what stimulates your senses - hopefully it’s not day2day qualities 😉🙄✌️ Regards from my 1989 G-model and my 512 TR.
@franz stockmann 70% of Porsches are still on the road? Does that mean the rest made it back to their garages? (Like the old Harley joke.)
Is that a front porche, or a back porche? Although Porsche styling or some of the engineering is not to my liking, at least porsches are not styled by Hans & Klaus who draw inspiration from a piece of 5cm X10cm Bavarian pine.
Just yanking your chain, so don't go alt-left loonie on me.
Great video, loving to see lots of comments and discussion on your videos. It shows that your work is getting appreciated and that your understated and modest style is being appreciated by a wide cross section.
Keep posting these videos as they are compulsory viewing and you are transitioning from cult viewing to mainstream viewing without losing any of your ubiquitous and laconic personality.
Thanks buddy!! Have a good weekend my friend !
There is a well known "short shifter" modification for the Porsche 915 gearbox, if you dislike the long throw.
"It's like being in an old friend." Interesting choice of words! Chris at Centre Gravity is something of a legend in the Porsche community. If I had 40-50k to spend it would be a 997-2, or even possibly a 991, which you can now get for less than 50k. Everyone likes classic cars, but if I was spending my own money I would get the latest technology I could buy.
I would think the 911 would be easier and cheaper to maintain, and just enough fun. Extra points for the 308 since the roof comes off.
well I used to own a 911 SC... and it was not cheap to maintain- cheaper than a Ferrari? probably yes- but not actually cheap. The problem is not the cars construction though- it is the parts and the workshops (at least in Germany). And in the last 10 years classic Porsches have become so overpriced that nobody is actually driving their car and they are mostly kept in storage and that is the only thing they are not good at...
@@olik136 I guess I am counting on their air-cooling to reduce maintenance. One less system to worry about. I would also thing the aftermarket support for 911s to be better.
They are both horribly expensive. For what you get they are rubbish like most european cars. The only cars reasonable to maintain are proberly the ford cortina or escort.
The 911 offers a Targa option too
I do all the work on my '81 911SC, and it's not horribly expensive. Oil change is $100 though since it takes 10 quarts of high ZDDP oil. IMO, if you are going to own a 30-40-50 year old vehicle, it's not a bad idea to know how to work on it.
“It’s like being in an old friend.” Had a chuckle. The chocolate leather interior on the 930 is awesome btw.
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Owned a 1983 911SC and what a superb reliable everyday car. 911 all the way 👍
Interesting. I want one even more now.
@@CLA82529 I highly recommend finding one before the prices get even higher! Pay a reputable shop that specializes in air-cooled to inspect it if you cannot examine it up close. If you don't mind getting your hands dirty, you can do the basic maintenance (minor/major service, ie: oil changes, valve adjustment, V belt replacement, flushing brakes, etc) in your garage with a few hundred dollars (or, one repair bill from a shop) worth of tools.
They are so visceral and raw compared to anything on the road today! Not the fastest but on the right road, it's driving heaven.
@@zonoscopePictures yeah, that's exactly why I want one. I don't need fast cars, I need fun ones.
I've been daily driving my 78 SC for nearly two years. Other than oil changes, I haven't spent a dime on it. Its a tank that begs to be driven hard.
Great video. I have a ‘76 911 targa in my garage that I am working on as I may have mentioned. So to get your perspective between the two, and also your feedback on the 911 is insightful. Your 308 sounds much better than the 911. The fact that your 308 broke down during the video really underscores the reliability discrepancy between the two. Classic.
Jacob -- good luck on getting the Targa back on the road! Where are you located?
Ferrari's prancing horse emblem was donated to Enzo Ferrari for the racing team when he was racing for Alfa Romeo, by the family fighter pilot Francesco Baracca who felt it would bring him luck!
Thanks for saving me writing that! lol
A Ferrari over a Porsche anyday , even if they break down.
Yeah I think Ducati also pursued acquisition of the emblem. But Ferrari were offered it instead.
anyone vaguely interested in Ferrari should know the origins of the Cavallino Rampante
@@rocketn8 Ducati was only founded 3 years after it was given to Enzo.
From Wikipedia: The Prancing Horse used as part of Ferrari and Scuderia Ferrari logos and Ferrari symbol.
Count Francesco Baracca (9 May 1888 - 19 June 1918) was Italy's top fighter ace of World War I. He was credited with 34 aerial victories. The emblem he wore side by side on his plane of a black horse prancing on its two rear hooves inspired Enzo Ferrari to use it on his racing car and later in his automotive company. Francesco Baracca's parents, who told Ferrari that their son used to paint a prancing horse on his airplane and suggested that if Ferrari applied the horse on his cars, he would have good luck. Now we know how Ferrari won so many races.
Thanks for the video: There's no right or wrong - we can't all like the same thing. For me, the 308 is lovely but the 911 is a more nuanced car and has more to offer in the long run.
It's takes a while to get the best out of it (but learning is half the fun), it's fast, comfortable, well built and it's even more practical but like I said, each to their own. Enjoy whatever makes you happy!
Wow! Your exhaust was miced up perfectly because it sounds killer in the intro!!
It’s called G50 🙂
The brake pedal is adjustable, so heal toe is a non issue on 11s.
Really? Did not know that! Thanks!
Number 27 will send you a pic on FB 😉
but not enough....?
Great video. And as the former owner of a 308, I agree with the specialness of it...and still a stunningly beautiful car all these years later. Ironically, the only time my 308 broke down it was also the clutch cable. At the time the car was 14 years old and it was the original cable with just over 90,000 miles on it. I had organized my support system of mechanics ahead of time, so even though it broke at 5 pm on a Friday afternoon, I was back on the road by 11:30 am Saturday morning. Never had another issue with the car in the 3 years and 36,000 miles I owned/drove it. Having to be more frugal with my money these days, I recently bought the true sports car bargain of today, a 2001 Porsche 996 C4. 82,000 miles with a good service history, it is a pleasure to drive, and it gives me a wonderful analog experience. But if I could get back into a 308, I would. Preferably for me, a Dino 308 gt4...I love the little back seat as a catch all. Truly enjoying all your videos. Thanks.
I have to add that I drove my 308 every day, it was my only car. Drove it to work, to the supermarket, to jury duty, took the animals to the vet...and again, only one breakdown. But I was seduced by the speed of a 93 RS America and that became the first of five Porsches. But the 308 was the purest car I've owned.
Simple - Ferrari. I have owned 911s but every time I had one it just didn’t feel special. Clutch cable is nothing to do with build quality
Christ in Shades good as a weekend car. Mind you I always think that everyone thinks Porsche’s are bulletproof it they are defo not.
Another cracking video Jack! I much prefer listening to a "normal bloke " talk about cars than a journalist so don't put your self down 😉 ....... dont tell the InfluEnzo but id take the 911 out of the two🤫 👍
Thank you buddy! Have a great Saturday!
@@Number27 you to Jack 👍
..which leaves the enthusiasts car for me :)
@@davidstuart4915 No because im already taking the 911! 🤣😉
@@ryanmccormick2150 and u r welcome :)
308 for me. It seems that little bit more soulful😀
I simply can NOT get bored with your vids! This comparison was fair and impartial, and the truth is, I'd love to own both! Thank you again for the eye and ear candy vids you keep producing. Well done!
Very kind, thank you!!
Own both. The 308 is wonderful in many respects but feels like a cheap kit car compared to the Porsche.
@D B Lol they are sitting side-by-side as I type but must not be true since it's not the answer you agree with.
@@sambone8213 you're full of crap. Die cast model cars dont count.
Both of these models can be seen racing each other on screen, in the movie "Against All Odds." James Woods drives the 308, and Jeff Bridges drives the Porsche.
As a young lad, I had 4 posters on my bedroom wall : a 308 GTS Quatrovalvole, a Testarossa, an F40 and a Lamborghini Countach. Never, ever did a Porsche make it onto my wall. And in the end, that’s why we buy those cars now. Not for the way they drive, but because we lusted after them all those years ago. And in that sense, there can only be one winner.
Glad jay emm put me onto this your vids are brill and descriptions and explanation joy to watch thankyou 😁👍
Thanks buddy!! James is a good lad!
Serious question.
Do you actually fit in it with the roof on??
Just about.. but not very comfortable
Number 27 haha I thought there may be a clearance issue
I did wonder myself
I found the Wevo short shifter was the best improvement for the 915 box. Much shorter throw and notched selector which totally transforms the agricultural 915 box.
The 3.2 Carrera only received the G50 box in the last couple of years just prior to the 964.
Italy cars: heart
German cars: head
I’m a emotional guy... so 🇮🇹
Genau so sieht es aus, das ist die Wahrheit, Great.
Typically never comment on youtube and social media but just to say, videos are great. Been lucky enough to experience many cars on the road and in a race environment and think you do a great job with the videos. Keep it going. Thanks
Thank Andy, really appreciate that!
Ferrari ..... she’s temperamental and demands much love, but she will love you back like no other!
she loves you only when you give her lot of money ....this car is a real bitch !
@@marcuslambert8722 lol that's why I stick to the loyal Porsche she loves me unconstitutionaly!
You might have been able to fix that clutch cable with Bondic, at least to get you home. I own a classic Porsche and keep some in the glove box - you never know!
Damn ! I didn't expect a Vespa-like clutch cable on such cars. And to think even my humble Alfa 33 gets an hydraulic command as standard...
big up the AA/RAC guys, they have saved me a couple of times and been great
308 FTW! And, you're very good at this lark. Excellent channel, you could be on TV!
Too kind Paul!! Thanks!
Without watching it, I say the Ferrari broke down first.
Me too 🤣🤣
Absolutely..... the red one 🤣🤣
However I would rather drive that old Ferrari.
@@mAthXjAzz Till you stop in the side of the road
@@thatdeathstepguy8719 yeah that would suck. But its an oldtimer. Love it or hate it.
Im lucky owner of a 82 SC, and I love it. But there is something very special in the 308, love it to =)
In Germany it's called a Porsch-e with two syllables...
Great content as always!! As a 930 owner, i did chuckle to myself that only one car survived the duration of the video!!....but hold my hands up that the 308 is still a beauty. Thanks for another great posting.
Cheers Dan!
Both vehicles are desirable..... and well out of my reach 🥴. The Ferrari 🎶 is vastly improved now and I just wouldn't know which to go for if the funds were available 🤔.
With regards to "Pepe", have you got any leads yet? If not then I know a YT host with a different audience who, if asked, might help. Please let me know on this one Jack. Cheers 👍
As both a F 308 and P 964 owner, I really enjoyed your video, Jack! Such different cars. The 964’s were so much more refined it’s not a good comparison. The 308 sounds amazing and feels very different. The 911 driving position is so much better like you said. The 911 sounds so 911’ish! The Porscha ;) is much more solid and will drive all day. The 308 is more kit car but super fun. Definitely more people recognizing the 308 over a ‘lowly’ 911 (tongue in cheek).
They're both fab cars. Save up and own both! These will only ever go up in value. ❤️❤️
Such an original presentation. No tricks no stories.
These videos are strangely addictive.
It's like being in an old friend (5.03) 😂😂😂
Ha!! As I edited it I knew that phrase would be picked up ...
I was going to be quite surprised if the breakdown was the other way around! Great video.
Thank you!! And for watching!
911 all day, its the best by over 1million miles
You are so patient with the Ferrari. Thank you for the films . Best wishes mark
308 all day long. Even I've managed to own a Porsche once in my life.
Yep 308 any day of the week. All though I own a 328GTS.
Valisk...who cares...even back then a diminished performance Ferrari. Pretentious much?
@@deevnn you obviously care, Because you responded. Haha.
@@deevnn Nothing pretentious about wanting to own a car I've loved since I was a kid.
"It is just a clutch cable..." My experience with Ferrari is that it is always "just something." Though an intoxicating experience when all is well, my prediction is after a few more years you will be slowly worn down and want a reliable driver with very few real surprises. I'm sticking with my '88 911. Thanks for another great cars and coffee morning in my living room!
I'm on my third Ferrari. Started with a Mondial > F355 > 360. The Mondial was 23 when I bought it and it did have a useless fuse box. Sure the F355 had a few small issues but nothing to hold it back. 360 had been perfect. With cars now it is more how previous owners have kept them.
Great video. To me, the 911 has always looked too much like a Beetle while the 308 is a rolling piece of art. I'd take the 308 hands down over the 911 any day, but like you, I'd expect it to break down repeatedly.
Exactly what I think about the Beetle lookalike. The 911 is the safe option, you'll not have the German on ramps anywhere near as long, but they're so drab, that interior is pretty non descript too.
308 all day for me, I'd forgive its fragile nature for those looks. Absolutely stunning 🇮🇹👍
@@neilwalsh4058 Don't worry I'll pick you up in my Porsche when your Ferrari breaks down in the middle of the road lol. And will both yell out POS Ferrari!
Great you got the clutch cable fixed in the field!
have owned mostly bmw's and a couple porsche's. german cars have never left me stranded.
I got 308 and SC, they are my dream cars since I watched movie Against all odds in 1984.
911 for me, Porsche fanboy! 🙂 Your 308 sounds lovely though.
Good video, enjoyed it. The car can't really be faulted for the clutch cable, that's just an age/maintenance issue. You've started regularly driving an aged car which probably hasn't seen much use and those sort of things are going to bubble to the surface. Good on you for getting out and about in it and sharing it with us.
The 308 is the cooler car for sure. But I would take the 911 any day. At the end you need a car which drives :-)
That was a very fair and balanced video, Jack. Nice job!
Thank you Gina!! Loved the SC!
Except he didn’t even bother to learn the history of the Ferrari prancing horse.
'Like being in an old old friend?' - Choose your words carefully mate.
Ha!! As I edited it I knew that phrase would be picked up ...
A special friend...😂
That's how I feel when I'm with my ex gf
@@davidzshit You are a king among men
The Porsche 911 SC ... absolutely an iconic classic. Automotive engineering at it’s finest.
The Ferrari 308/328 in particular has always been my personal favorite... beautiful exotic you have their and hats off to you for your successful restoration
Never liked Porsche but i understand why people love them. I just dont like the shapes and they are not aggressive. Porsche is made by engineers and Ferrari and lambo are made by artists.
Porsche had great engineers, to be sure, but had great artistry as well. Porsche styled their own cars, never made a practice of farming out the coachwork to outside designers as Ferrari and Lamborghini did.
Das ist gut,sogar sehr gut !!
This is so much more interesting, because it's coming from a car enthusiast and not a professional car reviewer. Not a single word felt biased in any way. It was your own personal views and truly honest opinions about these cars and I really appreciate that, as I'm sure a lot of your subscribers do also. And I also appreciate the fact that you don't beg for more subscriptions to get more views, although you deserve a lot more. As for the clutch cable breaking, that could as easily have happened on the Porsche. My personal preference between the two? The Influenzo, or course. More charm, better sound, better looks. All Porsches look alike to me. Thanks again for sharing this fine video.
Thanks buddy! My regards to 🇫🇷!!
@@Number27
You're welcome. It's actually french speaking 🇨🇦 😉
Having owned a few Ferrari's and a couple of 911's - Porsche all day, every day thanks. Ferrari is too fragile, attracts the wrong sort of attention (mid life crisis etc) and the old 911's are very classy now IMO. The Ferrari thing is for many a lifelong automotive dream but the journey to owning one is better than the arrival. After you get acclimatised to ownership, the liability that they are with huge parts costs and outside of enthusiasts, the cars unfortunately draw a very negative reaction from most unless they are 12 year old lads. That said, the Prancing Horse will always hold a special place in many petrolheads hearts (including mine) but take away the sound......and they're just not that good.
Sage.
John K you’ll never hear that joke when talking about Ferrari’s. That joke is usually brought up with lifted big trucks
"A few Ferraris and couple of 911s" - I don't think so.
@@darrellsimpson6966 don't cry
@@DOGFACESOLDIER0708 Keep saving.
In February I took my 1983 911SC on a 4000mile trip from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to San Francisco, California. I took the "long route", south to the Louisiana gulf coat then through the desert along the Mexican border all the way to the Pacific and then up Highway One to San Francisco. The car didn't skip a beat during the entire trip (i just lost the fuel filler cap somewhere in Alabama for which I then picked up a replacement at a classic Porsche specialist in Texas ). I don't think I would have attempted the same trip in a 308 since changing a clutch cable on a Ferrari in the middle of the night in the Arizona desert does not sound like an advisable thing to do.
"It's like being in an old friend."
MCM fam: " Hi Cheryl!"
Yeah 4.50 sec that got me worried! I've never "Been In" any of my old friends! not male anywaz! lol.....not!
Ha!! Ha!! As I edited it I knew that phrase would be picked up ...
Number 27 Glad I didn't disappoint!
Hi, just wanted to say that I appreciate your videos, it’s nice to get the opinion of a genuine ‘amateur’ petrolhead, and appreciate your honesty too. Really good work. 👍
Thanks really kind, thank you for watching and glad you like them!!
A no-brainer to me; the Porsche of course!
Seems to be a lot of no brainers about.
Love your sense of humour on the Ferrari vs Porsche reliability
My dream garage has one of each of those - each is the iconic shape of its marque. They evoke stronger emotion visually than their modern descendants.
Hopefully one day... !
i think the 930 3.3 turbo is prob the iconic shape of 911dom and the GTS will forever be the Magnum car, and better for it - as well as owning a couple of SCs I have driven a couple of 308s - one of them being GRP - the Ferrari makes you feel even more special - having said that, I had the 911s in my 20s and felt very proud looking back at the parked 911 (black with 3.3 turbo tail) - the door fit, feel and sound on closing is pretty special just by itself :) - GTS with Quad sports Ansa, panel out...just dribbling around town with that glorious over-run burble made you feel like a film star....errr, Magnum :)
One thing you can say about both cars: how small in size they are compared to todays cars.
Great when parking or enjoying narrow country roads.
The latest offerings from both companies seem huge.
14 years ago I was choosing between used unloved 964 and 348.
Chose the 964, still have it, my only car, drives great on newly refurbished suspension.
One piece of advice I was given before choosing: check the the parts cost and availabilty.
Ferrari 308 don’t even need to think twice on it....
Let me know when that POS Ferrari breaks down. I'll go pick you up when you're on the side of the road with my Porsche.
Not even close. This is silly. Just listen to the Ferrari. The other is a glorified VW.
@krbelloff glorified fiat😂😂👍 just joking!
Great video and thoroughly enjoyed the comparison. Out if the two, my choice would be the 308. Its a little sexier than the SC. It think it grabs the eye better. I also enjoyed the sound from the 308. I'm an ex-pat living in Melbourne and have recently bought a Mazda RX8 as a toy. I really enjoy driving it and it puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel. You did a great job with your video and thanks for posting!
I’m going to have to go with the Ferrari. The sound and feeling they give you is just second to none.
Thank you for showing these two wonderful classic examples of automotive benchmarks. I truly do love the Ferrari 308 GTSi and the 1984 Porsche 911 with a whale tail will always stop me dead in my tracks. Have a wonderful weekend and I look forward to more content like this!
Thank you sir!
Heart and Head will always be the 911
As others have said the prancing horses are the same (Stuttgart coat of arms). I will take the 911 all day long and have owned my 1969 911T for over 16 years.
There nothing like the 69-73 911. Had a 1970 S , but I would have loved to have a 72-73 911E.
Do you live close to me Brendan? Would love to do a video on the 911T.. send me a message on insta!
Porsche, no question :)
really?! have u driven both though?
A broken clutch cable? I had no idea those 308’s had cables to activate the clutch. My Lancia Scorpion (Montecarlo) has a hydraulic clutch system that has never let me down. (Yet)
Christ in Shades Sorry to heat about your misfortune.
Wish I still had my 911 3.2. sold it 14 years ago for 13k!
Und den ferrari für 30k !!
I am with you, sold my 83SC once I had kids in 2005. Now I have reoccurring nightmares . The only therapy is to buy more cool cars
Ok...The "Il Cavallino Rampante"...Enzo Ferrari's brother Alfredo (Dino) Ferrari, worked in the ground crew of ww1 Italian Ace Francesco Baracca. Both, Francesco and Alfredo died in the war. Enzo, went to the family of Francesco and asked for permission to wear the Il Cavalino Rampante ( the rampant little horse) on his Alfa racing cars. (This was the livery on Francesco's plane) in honour of the two men. The family agreed...The tri-color is for Italia and the background color yellow is the official color of the city Modena. Your welcome. Marc
Ferrari vs Porsche... See the movie “Against all odds” 😉
Interesting comparison, nicely done 👍 (surprised you weren’t ’buzzed’ by Harry Metcalfe on your test road! 😆)
Ha!! Yes I’ve not run into him yet..
Best day of your life is buying an old Ferrari, second best day is when you sell it...
Neil Gaydon yea, no. You don’t have a clue.
S Schroeder ...it’s English humour...sorry you missed it...
Neil Gaydon when it comes to boats, aye, Ferrari, nyet.
There's no best day for you then.
The 308 is pretty, but like most pretty things it'll leave you wanting more often than the stodgy looking SC. If you have to get somewhere, the SC would be the dependable choice. The SC is put together so well, it's like a tank. The 308 like many Ferrari's back in the day is not nearly as robust a chassis - pretty skin but quite ugly underneath.
308 so much more character. You've just started the journey of restoration so keep your chin up mate, I'm still very envious of your ferrari.
1000 miles per year - 308. More than that - the SC. Your 308 is sounding so good now. 👍. And I applaud your patience with your classic cars - it’s needed. ( from an Opel Monza and MGA owner).
911SC I can't fit 308.
I was considering a 308 recently until I read that it’s a tighter fit. I’m 6’2” and fit great in my 83SC cabriolet (sold too soon😞)
That last shot really sums things up. Porsche Rules!
Porsche is ok but give me a Lotus over either.
MuuuuuHaaaaaaa!!! Dammit, i can't stop laughin'
What a lovely legend about the Airman Baracca. And this gorgeous 308. What a shape!
Porsche is nice.....but I still would prefer the 308 everyday
Comparing a Ferrari 308 with a 911 is like eating a delicious Italian meal vs. a boring schwaebian noodlebroth. My 308, meticulously maintained, never let me down on any of my tours. Driven properly, warming it up over 30 minutes or 30 km, and not using it for picking up a loaf of bread 2 minutes away fro the house, has made it an absolute joy to drive. Knowing the 911 G Models very well, this is no comparison of style and emotion, it is comparing a thoroughbred with a mass production car. Any 308 maintained well, today is better than whetting left the factory, that also adds to the experience and reliability.
Fezza everytime.
Had a 430 Spider - Had a 997 C2, Porsche aren't in the same league.
I am not sure if it makes sense to compare a base 997 with a f430
As it shouldn't be given that a F430 Spider in 2005 was almost $190k in USA and the 997 C2 was $70k. So a car that cost less than half of the Prancing Horse wasn't in the same league. Well that's a shock to precisely no-one.
MrCarrera28
I didn’t (wouldn’t) buy either car new, I purchased the 997 911 from Porsche Colchester. It was a used 2005 model (see my channel). Ferrari was one of Two from a company that went bankrupt. Bought with the intention of selling as we got them both for 100k each, sold on for 250k the pair.
Sure the 911 wasn’t the Turbo S but I’ve also driven those and they simply aren’t anywhere near as good. GT3 RS might come closer.
You can easily modify the gearshift on a 915 Porsche gearbox with an aftermarket short-shift kit. It’s only a couple of hours’ easy DIY and transforms the gearshift completely. Cost of parts: around €150.
The pork is just not special enough, so I'd always opt for the 308, and make sure I get a good, looked after one.
I’m a big fan of that SC, sounds really sweet but the influenzo is just another level of sound now with its new exhaust . Music to my ears!