The Evil Creator: Origins of An Early Christian Idea: Dr. M. David Litwa
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This book examines the origins of the evil creator idea chiefly in light of early Christian biblical interpretations. It is divided into two parts. In Part I, the focus is on the interpretations of Exodus and John. Firstly, ancient Egyptian assimilation of the Jewish god to the evil deity
Seth-Typhon is studied to understand its reapplication by Phibionite and Sethian Christians to the Judeo-catholic creator. Secondly, the Christian reception of John 8:44 (understood to refer to the devil's father) is shown to implicate the Judeo-catholic creator in murdering Christ. Part II focuses
on Marcionite Christian biblical interpretations. It begins with Marcionite interpretations of the creator's character in the Christian "Old Testament," analyzes 2 Corinthians 4:4 (in which "the god of this world" blinds people from Christ's glory), examines Christ's so-called destruction of the Law
(Eph 2:15) and the Lawgiver, and shows how Christ finally succumbs to the "curse of the Law" inflicted by the creator (Gal 3:13). A concluding chapter shows how still today readers of the Christian Bible have concluded that the creator manifests an evil character.
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The fascinating part of Mythvision is how Derek is able to talk to biblical scholars with vastly different ideas and specialties, and in so doing has given us the audience a level of understanding about early church history that has perhaps never existed in one place. It's easy to go very deep down a specific field of study, but it's rare nowadays to have a true breadth of knowledge across a topic that includes several specialized fields.
Thank you for these kinds words my friend.
I agree, and I wish he would be open to believing that there is a God and that some of this stuff is actually historical and real. We all have been confounded by the injected distortions. How can we know what is authentic and factual? According to the Quran, that is actually what the role of the Quran is: to give us the correct history and stories relevant to understanding the path to salvation. It's main message is that we were all supposed to worship God alone and not focus on those who delivered the messages. Forget what muslims do and say, as they do not follow or comprehend the Quran. God alone controls everything. The Quran is proven to be composed mathematically in a structure that is far far beyond human ability. Read Dr. Rashad Khalifa's Quran: The Final Testament.
Peace.
@@jefftaylor19 The Quran is a book of fiction.
@@jefftaylor19 The Quran is proven to be composed mathematically in a structure that is far far beyond human ability...
You do realise just how silly that statement is, yes?
@@jefftaylor19 "that *some of this stuff* is actually historical and real"..... hahahahaha.... I am glad that you realize that it is ONLY SOME ... and if you had any logic or respect for your sky daddy you would realize that having ONLY SOME truth is not the works of a god worthy of the epithet.
Wow that passage in John about the father of the devil is so telling. There are so many places where a Marcionite interpretation is the most “logical” reading of the text.
There’s a lot of key uses of “your” when he talked to the Judaeans. There’s a good theory that Christ in the story at least was a Samaritan (Price has written about this too); but broadly he could simply be a non-Yahwehist Hebrew (again, in the narrative, since he probably didn’t exist)
So regarding Satan, here is the Quranic world view, not Islam, I am not interested in what they say, but rather, what the Quran says. We were all angels in heaven somewhere. Satan was a very powerful one. He had an arrogant thought that he could do what God does. What does a god do? Let's sidestep being the Creator. A god has constituents and gives them a perfect life with no problems. He arranges everything in a grand tapestry. A small group agreed with Satan. There. was a big feud. God exposed Satan's arrogance and created this universe with this tiny speck of dirt and water sustaining life, and God told Satan to give it a try. God gave Satan the opportunity to prove his claim that he could be a god. But where was Satan to get his constituents. It turns out, that you and I and all the humans are those constituents. We are the ones who thought that maybe it is possible for Satan to be a god. God gave us a chance to repent and to just come down as an animal or a plant in a atoning role. But we were too arrogant, and we chose to come down for the test.
So there you have it. Satan is desperately trying to be the god for this planet, and we all suffer from his absolute incompetence. We chose to come here to experience Satan's trial run as a God. We were stupid because Satan cannot and never could do what only God Almighty does. All misery is a result of Satan, either intentionally or unintentionally. But as the Quran, Psalms 91 and Matthew 6:33 state, If you prove to be devoted absolutely to God alone, God will be your god. He will protect you from Satan's incompetence and He will intervene and give you a perfect life with no problems whatsoever here on this earth and forever in the next life. He will instruct the angels to give any proven devotee to God ALONE perfect protection, and they will not suffer even a scratch, or a stubbed toe.
God sent a messenger in 1988. That is some of what we learned from him that was gleaned from the Quran.
Here are some links
th-cam.com/video/OANBzSqko_0/w-d-xo.html
submission.org/introduction.html
www.masjidtucson.org/quran/ReadQuran.php?appendix=1
Peace.
@@jefftaylor19God is satan. Revelation 22: I6 he says he is.
I remember(years ago) I asked a simple question on a forum -> Could Jesus and God ever be in a disagreement? The answers were pretty amusing.
This guy is great.
Thank you.
I didn't know what was up with Marcion. Now I do.
John Lamb Lash's YHWH The Two-Faced God talks about him as evil too.
Yeah Dr litwa confirmed a lot of things i was already aware of from being a gnostic Christian.
Yahweh ,Yaldabaoth, Jahbulon are all the same creature with different names for the evil entity many think is God.
in reality that thing is the enemy of Jesus.
@Brian Baker Wow your right i did not see that! The vid was just published today?
how can her comment date from 3 days earlier?
@Brian Baker you can comment before the stream starts when they put out a “this stream starts oct 9 at 11am” post. Maybe he set the reminder post a few days before the stream.
... or maybe it’s a glitch. Lol
@Brian Baker Perhaps she is a Patreon and has early access to watch the video before we do?
I've wondered about this for a long time. A god that is evil or semi-evil or imperfect definitely makes 10000000000x more sense and fits what we see and experience in this world, than an all perfect, all good god, that's for sure. But for some reason, both atheists and Christians are afraid to go there, they each believe that either god is perfect and all good or he doesn't exist at all, which is a false dichotomy since there are many other possibilities. Moreover, there is no logical reason why a creator or architect has to be perfect or all good. He can be evil or semi-evil or an a-hole too. Just like any CEO can. Moreover, the book of Isaiah has a verse that says "the Lord creates both good and evil". And occultists say that evil is the left hand path of God. Carl Jung said that negative energy exists because God has a shadow side or dark side. And Thomas Paine said that the creation is a reflection of the creator, so if creation is imperfect, then god must be too. Very simple and logical. Why can't most people accept that?
Free will is an ad hoc theory that Christians use to try to reconcile an unjust world with a just god. It doesn't work though, because most people are on auto pilot and don't seem to have free will and there's no evidence for free will too. Plus a lot of bad things happen that we did not choose too.
God is clearly evil and enjoys his own evil entertainment for himself
I love the stuff about marcion and the gnostics. Great show Derek!
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Interesting, Jesus was raised in Egypt and was able to debate with the priesthood. He also called out the "synagogue of Satan." His God was definitely different.
The real Jesus was an Essene and was a strict vegan just like john the baptist and all of his true followers!
@@healthyone100 exactly!
Great guest and interview! It's fun to try and imagine the early Christian world in all its diversity and surrounded by so many other religions mustve been like. I just paused the interview to order his new book. Danke. Guess no one ever told Marcion, _God works in mysterious ways_ -what u'd hear from priests, as a child, when you ask difficult questions. Only having Marcion through the eyes of his enemies must result in a pretty skewed and truncated view. Ive always loved Blake's -demiurgos_ image _The Ancient of Days,_ (its actually the frontispiece to one of his 'prophetic books _Europe,_ as well as his unique symbolic take on things. He definitely had some gnostic leanings.
It's always a pleasure watching your podcasts, thanks for the information your sharing. Watching these podcasts has given me a new understanding of Christianity and has deepened my curiosity.
Thanks Doc David and Derek…EXCELLENT VIDEO!!! Yup I’m definitely getting the book!
This is my favorite episode so far.
Duuuuuude this spun my head I love it 😍
Excellent talk guys. Thanks!
I'd never heard of the "other" Luke's Gospel until now. Fascinating stuff
So interesting! Definitely have him back!
Yes, check out religion for breakfast videos.
💕💕💕💕💕💕Great show Derek! I would love to see more of David, very fascinating!
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Thank you Derek ,great interview .
So fascinating
This is fascinating!! I came to the same conclusion on my own, and had never heard of Marcion!! It’s a large part of my deconversion process! I saw two gods in this story. Isn’t it also mentioned in the exodus story that an angel was sent before the people to lead them, and that they shouldn’t mess with him because he won’t forgive their sins? I’m getting this book! Great show guys!!
It isn't just two gods. Hebrew theology evolves throughout the Hebrew Bible (OT). It is more a spectrum of religious beliefs.
Agreed.
In order to accept the Exodus story one must disregard basic human understanding & nature.
We'er talking about slaves freed by God, combined with monumentally irrefutable evidence of Gods love & presence.
And then we're supposed to believe that, just a couple weeks after Moses goes up the mountain, they forget all about God, throw it all away & start worshipping a golden cow?? (laughably bizarre)
The difference is Marcion continued being a Christian whereas you have ended any Xtian belief attachments. Am I correct?
@@failyourwaytothetop Yes, correct.
@@failyourwaytothetop was he a chirtian when he believed in two gods
Fascinating! Among the best of derek’s shows! Litwa isnt on audible yet, sniffle sniffle.
Best ep ever. I’m convinced this evil deceiving god is the intellect.
I think so too. I see parallels with Vedanta where the true Self is said to be pure consciousness, and the false self is said to be a product of the mind. You could call it ego.
That's my summary of Vedanta anyway. Others may disagree.
I think such parallels between Vedanta and Gnosticism are quite neat anyway - whether or not you think there'd actually be any metaphysical truth in such ideas.
Yep. GOD's prophet speaks: The Bible is mostly SYMBOLIC. And satan and God are intertwined in its words. To decipher the Bible one must learn exactly what God is, what the devil is, and what you are. "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. Elijah has returned.
BINGO!!!! Dude I was thinking the same THING!! Or a being that gave us the intellect. Interesting to think Jews are the smartest people and have the highest IQ of any ethnic group. Perhaps there's some truth that they are the sons of satan.
@@gerontodon This is the position of Buddhism too.
This is my favorite episode, Derek.
Amazing interview! Really enjoyed it 👍
Epic interview
I look forward to reading this book.
Fair points, thnXs🙏
Set this great man on the debates circuit
Great session !
Fantastic interview! You have to have Dr. M. David Litwa, on more often!!!! Again, really enjoyed it.
Love your content! Thank You so much!!
You are so welcome!
Great stuff. Thanks.
Jesus is still here and in us all today in a bloodline of a lost heritage every will make sense i hope this helps the world for the better keep doing the creators work
One of your best! 🥰😇🙏💪👍
Fascinating. I've got a few of Litwas books I'm about to get into on my Ereader- not sure which one I'll start with. But he and Carrier, Kipp have all said things that I've been trying to get across to others for a while now, plus had extra insights on events I had no clue about.
On this topic of an 'Evil' creator, I'd go you one further. There's an excellent essay by Camille Paglia which describes some of the Pre-Hellenistic, some even Pre-Egyptian (so Hunting and Gathering), Fertility-Goddess/Mother-Earth Worship, which is where Set is located, if I'm not mistaken. She makes the point that originally, Woman ruled over the Underworld (like Goddess Hel) because she was the God of the Earth, opposite Father Sky, who impregnated her with Storms and Rain. In this animistic worldview, caves were looked at as Sacred Wombs, and also a kind of Church setting, which is probably why subterranean settings continued to be sacred spaces for some time (Cave paintings as well etc). She calls this aspect of the Divine-Feminine the 'Cthonic,' do do with the unpredictable, wild, 'chaotic nature' of the seasons, hunts, and childbirth during these periods, as well as women's moods surrounding menstruation and pregnancy, which became associated with the 'stages of the Moon.' This 'enduring of the underworld'- and 'beheading a serpent' to return a hero motif, is very much an early birth template, with the Serpent being a representation of Rivers (like Tigris/Euphrates, Nile etc), that/energy which moves without legs, phallic energy, and also the umbilical 'cord' that a child must have 'cut off' (as with a sword) to become born- as if out of the Earth, or the 'Underworld'- enduring the pain of childbirth is the pain of creation. The language relating to these ancient religions is so fascinating, yet people very much miss the point, because it is so old, some of it reaches into the language of dream and poem, body-connected-ritual more than our more economic-oriented, material-reductionist language ('spend time,' etc)
1.) Here's Paglias Essay- First Chapter in here
books.google.com/books?id=jpZmBuUoAf8C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false
2.) Insightful Comment by author Cormac McCarthy on the Subconscious (where I think early Religious Language probably emerged from)
th-cam.com/video/Qidyx3oXqpY/w-d-xo.html
Have you ever seen a video by Varg Vikernes?
He talks of things similar to what you stated
Great show!
I have never seen a debate that explicitly addresses “the elephant in the room”
Fundamentally, all theists seek to reconcile their contemporary beliefs with scriptural documents which, by any fair reading, are egregiously divergent. It seems beyond dispute that vast rhetorical and theological gymnastics that are required to accomplish this conflation.
Ultimately, I would invoke Occam’s razor: which is more likely…. That some convoluted theology accurately unifies all of the apparently inconsistent threads of the scripture? Or that religion is a human invention that has evolved along with humanity?
Exactly my thoughts. All trouble with Christianity, come with the obviously wrong assumption that the bible has a unified theology and you just need to unlock it. It's just wrong, there is no unified theology. Some denominations just pick sides and downplay the opposing views.
@@wingedlion17 Indeed. From abraham we have judaism, chritians, Islam.. all intent on killing each other. Yet each individual of those faiths tell everyone else their own beliefs are the only true ones 😂
@@wingedlion17 The Bible itself does not have a unified theology. Hebrew beliefs in the OT clearly evolved over time.
@@scambammer6102 unfortunately this is what many fundamentalist Christians claim. Not even the new testament has a consistent theology. Paul describes the second coming as Christ coming and the good people moving up to heaven. Revelation on the other hand...has an elaborate series of events and hellfire for the evil doers, 1000 years judgment. Mathew says the Torah is to be kept till the end of time, Paul says it's nailed to the cross which is it?
@D E That is one thing I have noticed about the new testament, it's a hodge podge of beliefs from different people over a span of many years.
You mean the loving Jesus who called a Gentile woman 👩 a dog. Or the Jesus who told his disciples that he uses parables to deceive the people. Or is it the Jesus that says he came with a sword ⚔️ to turn family members against each other?
Exactly! That´s him. He also said don´t cast your pearls before the swines.
Jesus also chastised the Pharisees for being lax in enforcing the law that children who disrespect their parents are to be stoned to death.
@@c.a.t.732 Can you reference the verse?
@@MrEVAQ Matthew 15:4.
@@c.a.t.732 thanks
Awesome episode
I believe that Yahweh was Enlil. The Annunaki were mistakenly thought of as angels. Enlil originally had overall command of earth when they started mining gold, before humans were created. He was called Lord of the air and he was a warrior prince who disliked humans, thought that they were a bad idea and wanted them drowned in the Great Flood.
Mining gold? I don't think they had them mind gold in the ancient sumerian texts.
Are you speaking about the pseudoarchaeological claims by ie Sitchens, which is pretty much uniformly rejected by real scholars in the subject?
Regardless, if one Sumerian deity HAD to be compared to the Israelite understanding of their God, then Enlil is a decentish choice. He was considered the chief God of their pantheon and is a bit of the creator type, having separated heaven and the earth, in addition to being connected with storms, earth, wind, and air.
Excellent video.
Awesome.
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Love your outro music, pls make it standard with all shows. Very epic.
The story about Elijah and the 2 she-bears is so bizarre that I can’t help speculate whether it’s connected to astrological/astronomical mythology related to the Ursa Major and Ursa Minor with the children representing stars or possibly the passage of some units of time, (days, months , years etc.). Otherwise there seems to be no point to the tale other than making both Yahu and Elijah look like a Qanon nightmare come true .
Well observed, the bible does tell a disguised version of the Zodiak story starting with gods Sun.
@44:32 As I recall the argument from the period, an eye that cannot see (blind) is not an evil eye. It's simply an eye deficient in goodness... Theologically, it's as important as a 'ray' vs. a 'line' in geometry/math. The 'ray' begins at a point, and extends in a direction infinitely. The 'line' is actually two 'rays' sharing a starting point, going in opposite directions. The essence of the argument is clear enough, I think. You don't need to posit that 2nd ray going into negative territory, when dealing with a Good God. You can do quite a bit with 'no good' and 'barely good', instead. A completely blinded eye is not evil, it's just not good at all. A partially blinded eye is also not evil, it's just partially good.
Looks like a great book but dang will have to wait for the paperback. Amazon has it listed for $74.
Appreciate this immensely!!! I was in a Bible study where they were teaching about the suffering of Job, from an outside biblical Tex . Perhaps Esdra can’t recall. And his suffering was far more monstrous!! Taking SEVEN YEARS !!! I piped up in the chat and kinda hope I didn’t get struck by lightning in sharing my thoughts and said this is horrible, sounds like God is a psychopath !!! And ALL I got in response was CRIICKETS !!!🧐
Sounds suspiciously like the persian Ahriman. Ahriman created the physical universe. So the "creator" of the physical universe is the devil. I always thought christianity grew out of the persian influence on judaism.Just my 2 cent.
GOD's prophet speaks: The Bible is mostly SYMBOLIC. And satan and God are intertwined in its words. To decipher the Bible one must learn exactly what God is, what the devil is, and what you are. "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. Elijah has returned.
@@tomrhodes1629 The bible literally has no better idea of what God is than I do. And I am no expert at all. Not even close. The culture it grew out of bears no resemblance to ours. Besides if you might think satan has the first thing to do with the old testament you have taken symbolism to it's most absurd point of rendering the text to be the equivalent of a rorshach test. Meaning what you would call deciphering I would call projection.
@ Vina Ravyn you are one to something. Ahriman and Ahura Mazda is the same creator energy. Thats what I believe.
@@tomrhodes1629 bs
@@cainecaine8783 The whole gnotic idea of the demiurge made perfect sense to me when I discovered zoroastrainism. It pretty much explains the whole christian phenomenon as well. That and Mithraism. Both being persian in origin. I heard Dr Price one time mention Zurvanism. Zurvan being like a Chronos lord of time father to Ahuru Mazda and Ahriman. I can see that as being a persian based proto gnotic early christian trinity thing. Mithra was the mediator between Ahuru & Ahriman. They did the bread and wine centuries before. Examples are endless lol
You're killing the lie Derek ✊✊✊
John 14:6
New International Version
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
@@dianestafford6968 new International Version luke 14.26
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple.
Jesus preaches hate!!! Back to school Diane
@@madeinaustralia3158 1 Corinthians 2:14
New International Version
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
@@dianestafford6968 exodus 22 to 29 30 is a commandment for child sacrifice....
Judges 11 29 40 God favors jephthah and the Israelites when jephthah burns his daughter alive...
Samuel 15 God commands genocide and the killing of children. Theres more examples...
2 kings 3.27 God favors the moabites over the israelites when moabite king burns his son alive.
Yahweh is Baal.... yep... even jewish scholars admit this. Your God demands and favors child sacrifice
@@madeinaustralia3158 look when you are standing before the Judgement Seat of Christ. He won't ask you to give an account for anyone but yourself.
The Gnostic scrolls of Nag Hammadi are very interesting read indeed.
A fascinating and spot-on interpretation of early Christianity. I just purchased the book and can't wait to read it. Thanks, Dr. Litwa.
Hey Derek, excellent topic before the show was even half finished I paused to order the book on Amazon. $90 !!?! the lowest price I’ve seen was $74!.
I buy a lot of books but that’s quite steep for a retiree. Are there any more affordable options?
It's a pretty recent academic publication which unfortunately means it's a bit more expensive. The price for used books should decrease over time, but in the meantime you could try your local library system out: if they don't have it, they may be willing to purchase a copy for the library if you put in a request.
Derek reminds me of Charlie Hunnen (Jax Teller from Sons of Anarchy).
By digging deeper into the scripture, beyond the surface, our Creator's true character of unconditional Love can be proved.
The seeming contradictions and inconsistencies are due to God taking the blame for all the evil the enemy is causing and also due to the Bible not being channeled or dictated to the writers of the Bible but inspired by the Ruach Ha Kodesh.
There is a great difference between channeling and inspired writing.
The difference is that our Creator, unlike the imposter god of this world, Satan, respects our free will and does not attempt to control our minds and writings.
God is such a respecter of persons and has such high regard for our free will that He let the writers of the Bible write their own misinterpretations of events and even misconceptions of His character, and met them where they were, at their level of understanding of His character, in the time and culture they lived.
That is the main reason the patriarchs, prophets, and kings wrote that God is jealous, angry, or revengeful!
It was because the patriarchs, prophets, and kings saw God's character from their own limited human perspective, influenced by the cultural mindset they were immersed in.
For example, the prophet Elijah believed that God kills and destroys because he lived in a time when people believed Satan's lie that our Creator kills and destroys, so he commanded fire from heaven to consume living beings.
“And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I am a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven and consumed him and his fifty. 2 Kings 1:10
This was the main reason our beautiful Savior Yeshua had to come into this world, to reveal the Father's true character of Love and non-violence!
"And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?"
"But he turned and rebuked them, and said, Ye, know not what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.”
Luke 9: 54-56
The spirit of commanding fire to come down is not the spirit of our God but the spirit of the destroyer, Satan.
It was the spirit of Satan that enabled Elijah to call down fire from heaven, not God.
The fire that comes from God represents the Holy Spirit, the Ruach HaKodesh, it is not literal and never destroys but only purifies and sanctifies.
Examples are the Burning Bush which burned but was not consumed, and the tongues of Fire on the Day of Pentecost.
Why did Elijah become afraid of Jezebel after his great victory of bringing down fire and killing the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel?
Because deep inside Elijah felt that his conscience was rebuking him.
Elijah finally came close to God and learned His true character of Love and non-violence on Mount Sinai.
After all the fireworks that Satan brought to frighten Elijah were passed, there was a “still small voice.”
1 Kings 19:11-13
The Lord said, “Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by.”
Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind.
After the wind, there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake.
After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire.
And after the fire came a gentle whisper.
When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave."
God was not in the earthquake, not in the storm, not in the fire but in the still and small voice!
He’s wrong about Christians not using those horrid OT stories for preaching and teaching in church. Clearly he’s unfamiliar with fundamentalist Christians.
I heard all those stories, the entire Bible, from infancy, in church. Three times a week and daily Bible reading from genesis to revelation.
I’ve been to every Christian brand of church. Not once have I heard anything except the standard stuff while they avoided all the inconvenient parts of the Bible that show how god is a serial mass murderer, misogynist, who was vengeful, petty, narcissistic who was pro slavery and extremely cruel. Anyone who worships the god of the Bible has been 100% brainwashed, have never read the Bible or they are serial killers themselves.
Fascinating stuff. So while the christians mock science and evolution, asking why tornados dont assemble cars and watches, they totally miss the elephant in their own room.. the evolution of their own religion. While anyone with wikipedia can trace the design evolution of watches and cars, dereck is bringing the ppl together who can fill the gaps about christianity that the preachers would rather keep quiet 👍😂
Also, just like at Nicea there were men who chose which books to leave out of "the Bible", goodness knows how many ancient documents have been destroyed or hidden by the Roman Catholic Church and orthodox churches that don't promote the church's agenda, including documents found in Egypt (the Nag Hammadi codices, ancient manuscript texts hidden in an earthenware jar for 1,600 years, discovered in upper Egypt in 1945) etc. So many secrets kept from the masses just so Christianity (ie the Patriarchy) can continue to hoard wealth, power and control. This also applies to Judaism and Islam.
Wha
Derek is so close to rebirth as a Gnostic Christian. His journey to this point has been very similar to my own. The next step is to take the Gnostic red pill. After that everything makes sense.
Explain, please.
@@SaintFortgnostics just pretend they’re smart like atheists but their knowledge is dirt, Jesus Christ for salvation
@mythvision you should connect this with the guy that talks about the old babylonian myths about marduk and tiamat. This basically sounds like they were responding to the judaized version of marduk as evil,
what you've had bugging you...at the back of your mind...for years and years...might be a hint at what is actually true. This is an excellent discussion one precisely what the title suggests.
@12:39 Love that image. Although it is often left out in the stories, the implication is certainly there. Noah had the ability to save people and chose not to. In one of my philosophy classes, we covered commissive and omissive sins/crimes. The most common that we normally think of is the commissive type -- where someone commits a sin/crime. The other type -- omissive -- is where a sin/crime happens through omitted obligated action. The example I remember from class is the old school doctors who carried around those black bags that had the most common meds/instruments he needed. If this doctor has within his bag the means to save the life of a dying man, and instead chooses not to intervene -- that's omissive murder. Our laws, especially in the West, tend not to punish omissive sins/crimes. When they do, it's usually made into a lesser offense such as 'Negligent Homicide'. Noah would be guilty of omissive murder -- he could have saved these drowning people, yet chose not to -- choosing his immediate family's fate (and the animal kingdom's fate as well) above the fate of all others. I think it's safe to say that the idea of 'Omissive Sin/Crime' was either inconceivable or laughable to the civilization that wrote that flood story.
Good point about noah saving his family. I never thought of that before. I always just assumed it to be the story. With the recent pandora story about the rich avoiding tax by putting billions of property into their kids names... its biblical. Esp with the post flood story where noah banishes his son. 👍
Try throwing a party in your home with limited room and refreshments, then invite your hold city.
@@simeonsamuel8495 You are tribal.
@@EnnoiaBlog we are all Tribal with no exception
@@simeonsamuel8495 So all German-Americans vote the same? All Jews vote the same? All Xians? While we may all be members of tribes, some of us are actually capable of voting on issues rather than how we believe our tribe expects us to vote. Some of us are capable of seeing all of humanity as our 'Brothers (and Sisters)'. Some refuse to help the 'Traveler', and some are more like the Good Samaritan in the parable.
Here is my theory, when someone is walking among others, they see things like them, when they are in a higher dimension they see things in reverse and flipped.
So a spiritual dimension would cause distortion, when one is trying to bless the kids despite their fathers it ends up becoming a curse. Etc.
I call this Mirror Curse, and when someone is trapped in a higher spiritual dimension themselves, I call it the curse of the pure heart.
But, most likely these beings are higher in a spiritual dimension, there is a God above all dimensions, these are representatives, like a copy. :)
Do u guys have discord server ??
It’s in the video description
This guy and Jason Rex’s jorjani need to do a collaboration
God is good and nothing u say will change my mind
What do you make of Rev 13:12,13 which says the the 1st wild beast preformed great signs to be worshipped and listed throwing down fire
I wondered why there was no mention of the parallel context of the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls and their historical relevance to Josephus' contributions to the Bible? Maybe next time? It's fascinating information.
"We can't read the Old Testament because it makes the Jews look bad." Um....
Well we have to see what those times were like. Everyone was war like and trying to conquer everyone else. The jewish people were no exception.
Jorjani’s hypothesis is that Christianity was socially engineered by platonic mythrists that want you to come to the Marcien view. In this light Jesus is more of a Mythraic figure. Given the idea that Jesus gives you ever lasting life from this perspective that is in opposition or defiance of the prior Old Testament oppressive order of death.
Can you discuss about annunaki which believed tobe the creator of human according to writing that they left us in the tablet
Now for Latin and different languages of the cord to that being the case they use Jays and H's and sometimes ghu to sound out words that is also familiar with Hebrew
Any external deity is an extension of the human ego.
The essence of God inhabits you and is in your midst, and is known in the silence of introspection, meditation.
"God is spirit and those who worship must worship in spirit and in truth."
Jesus
"The holy spirit will teach you in all things."
Jesus
"One who knows all, but lacks within, is utterly lacking."
Jesus, Gospel of Thomas
The mind keeps one identified with the illusion we have about ones self. Look for the one who unchangeable. There I find peace and space and there I am the witness.
You're on the correct path, Mike. GOD's prophet speaks: The Bible is mostly SYMBOLIC. And satan and God are intertwined in its words. To decipher the Bible one must learn exactly what God is, what the devil is, and what you are. "The Book of God" at A Course in Truth. Elijah has returned. (I don't receive TH-cam comment notifications, but seekers easily find me.)
@@tomrhodes1629 I would sharply disagree.
People need neither prophet, book nor course.
Furthermore, you're incorrect. The concepts you allude to, like Satan, are exactly that, they're concepts, denizens of a religious mind.
"Ho, everyone who thirsts! Come to the waters. You who have no money, come to buy and eat."
Book of Isaiah
1 Corinthians 2:14
New International Version
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
@@mikeq5807 I agree. all we are is consciousness. and we don't need prophets or concepts to delude us. I am just a beginner but your comments help point the way. Trying to stay as the witness daily. Thunder, Perfect Mind. shalom aleichem
As soon as Dr. Litwa mentioned t the story of
The "evil" of men versus the "evil" of God , who is going to win?...
This guy is really awesome 👌 good, 100 percent the evil God associated with Corona
I think you should collaborate with Gnostic informant
I knew that the Yahve is a tormented murderer. Ok, this is a very interesting book.
Izn't gawd a Thanos or other villain?
I wonder if early Luke was just mostly Mark. The only canonical with no birth narrative and one very pro Paul.
If you look at the gospel of Marcion reconstructions if really looks like that. There’s even a theory that the passion narrative is a later invention, and originally the story ended with the transfiguration and the ascent simply happened at that time
@@LordJagd now that is a fascinating!
John also has no birth narrative.
In some text in Old Egyptian you would consider them nymphs which is basically the same thing anyway
I may be totally off base with this ...yet this is just my suspicion, nevertheless I see the number 42 as very specific and symbolic in the story of the 2 she bears and 42 children. Although I have no Idea who or what the 2 she bears represent, my suspicion is that the 42 children may represent the killing of the 42 Laws of Ma'at and/or the 42 gods/judges that question the spirit of the dead Egyptians as it tries to make it’s way into the afterlife. So in a way the story signifies a new authority and falling away from the old.
It could also be a celestial story--Ursa Major (big bear/big dipper) and Ursa Minor (little bear/little dipper) mauling all the other constellations.
Nice. They weren’t small children but thugs saying go and die (go up). Evil prophets. They spoke a word it did not stand, they strengthened themselves took counsel together but it did not stand. They strengthened themselves but were broken.
I’d love to get this book but it’s pretty expensive.
They would actually accompany I think something of the sort of the Pharaohs and their counsel for wisdom
It makes one think that El was the father and Yahweh an evil son, and Jesus' angelic brother.
@@flipflopski2951 this is true my friend
El and Jehovah are evil. Jesus was good. Jesus was a follower if Buddha or the Vedas
This seems to be the case. Also remember that the northern kingdom of Israel, which is the region of Samaria and beyond, worshiped El and not the Yahweh of the south. And then, at some point, the Judaeans combined the northern El narratives with their Yahweh ones to create their scriptures.
El?? And Satan?
Yahweh is a physical being on earth.
Yahweh is not the father Jesus Christ was talking about.
If you're going to say Yahweh is God then you're Left with a mountain of contradictions because Yahweh and Jesus Christ are totally polar opposites.
Exodus 15:3
"The lord is a man of war: Yahweh is his name."
So god here is a man heh and fights to prove his power what kind of god is that.
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out that serpent of old called the devil and Satan who deceiveth the whole world. He was cast out onto earth and his angels were cast out with him.
"Who deceiveth the whole world "
The Elohim of the old testament in Deuteronomy 32:8
When they divided the nations amongst themselves.
1 kings 22:23
"Now therefore behold the lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee." Yahweh is a liar
He has been deceiving the Israelites in the old testament.
2corinthians 3:14...
But their minds were blinded for until this day remaineth the Same Vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament which Vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day when Moses is read the Vail is upon their heart.
So the Vail is lifted with new Gospel of truth by Jesus Christ
but the Vail still remains because of the reading of Moses Torah why because the bible clearly tells you that Moses was deceived by Yahweh/Satan
Isaiah 5:20
"Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil that put darkness for light and light for darkness that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter ."
The deceived Christians and Jews see Yahweh as God and evil he did in the OT as good or justifiable by making apologetics excuses For what evil he did like killing women and children without realizing they're actually defending a tyrant god
Hosea 13:7-8
Yahweh/Jehovah says...
"Therefore I will be unto them as a lion:as a leopard by the way I observe them. I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps and will rend the caul of their heart and there will I devour them like a Lion: the wild beast shall tear them."
Let's interpret this with Revelation 13:2
"And the beast which i Saw was like unto a leopard and his feet were as the feet of a bear (to Tear nations) and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (to devour nations ) the dragon gave him his power and his seat and great authority."
So whose the dragon we go back to Deuteronomy 32:8
Dead Sea Scrolls: “When Elyon gave the nations as an inheritance, when he separated the sons of man, he set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God (bene elohim). For Yahweh’s portion was his people; Jacob was the lot of his inheritance”.
So Yahweh was given authority and power over Israel by Elyon. So Elyon Is the dragon while Yahweh is a lesser god.
Peter 5:8
"Be sober. Be vigilant. For your enemy the Devil is like a roaring lion looking for whom he may devour."
Be careful with Yahweh because he devours.
John 1:17
For the laws was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 8:19
Where is your father?” they asked. Jesus answered, “Since you don’t know who I am, you don’t know who my Father is. If you knew me, you would also know my Father.”
John 8:44
" You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies".
Jesus is telling the pharisees the god Yahweh they worship is a liar and has deceived them since Genesis.
We do know Marcion.
I enjoyed this, will definitely get his book. But I literally laughed out loud when he said that Christians aren’t war-like, like the Jews. Like the Crusades wasn’t a thing. 😂
I am is sneaky. It can be the Truth (God). It can be the Devil it can be the ego. it can be the witness that is aware. ( the son). Marcion knew that an external God is not the Truth.
It's actually the Truth from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
I believe the Gospels were written as theatre stage plays of that period , this was done as a way of entertainment and keeping the asses in the seats so to speak. Other then one of the Gospels John I think? The other 3 really do roll out like a stage play. Gospel of Thomas
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Jesus's description of the good father clearly shows he does not consider Yahweh to be his father.
And earlier texts you would catch them into terms of known as that of the fates at during Greek time you would also know them as angels and that saints
Dr Litwa is a very accessible writer, he speaks in laymans terms. The problem is that many of his books are pricey. I would have them all by now but they cost a fortune.
Agree. Going to have to wait until it comes down from $80. Ouch. Probably used in a class somewhere, thus the price.
Of the pain during His atoning sacrifice, God says ...
“Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit-and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink-
“Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men”
Why are books becoming so much more expensive?
24hrs in a day is a marker that this place is evil and needs to be escaped through transcendence
i have thought paul was gnostic dualist for a long time , but christians say i am crazy. his archons, and rulers of this world, phrases seem clear
Paul would make a mockery of gnostics
Now a lot of people think that Nephilim are like ginormous Giants while they are not exactly ginormous Giant I don't know where idealistic terms came to that on Nephilim is somebody that is in their God robe
The 11th century when language changed which is actually dictated in the factors on literature where it was given to all of the Kings across the world and literature change some adapted to it some did not
The way he talks at about 16 minutes in, while he doesn't explicitly say this, the impression I got is that the host doesn't believe in God because he doesn't approve of how God behaves. This seems strange to me. I don't like what Hitler did, but I believe he existed. Not liking what God does strikes me as a strange reason for deciding he isn't real.
Patrick Barnes Hitler EXISTED, was born, went to school, wrote horrible books, did horrible things and died. "God" was said to do stuffs, some of them horrible, by many anonymous authors. That's why some people believe that those authors were fibbing to scare children and helpless people.
A Supreme God would not have time to babysit humanity or even this world.
He has help for that.
I believe what you guys talking.
Here is what i found out, Gen 1 & 2 are two different kinds of character.
Just saying hope its ok , thats why i found out that one of them is the evil one.
Have a nice day ❤