Jesus In Revelation Is EVIL! | Bart D. Ehrman PhD
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- Jesus In Revelation Is EVIL! | Bart D. Ehrman PhD
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You’ll find nearly everything the Bible has to say about the end in the Book of Revelation: a mystifying prophecy filled with bizarre symbolism, violent imagery, mangled syntax, confounding contradictions, and very firm ideas about the horrors that await us all. But whether you understand the book as a literal description of what will soon come to pass, interpret it as a metaphorical expression of hope for those suffering now, or only recognize its highlights from pop culture, what you think Revelation reveals…is almost certainly wrong.
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😂Warning if u read negative energy will creep out yr feet. Tell it's time for Jesus energy wash. 😮.
I am retired on a fixed income (poor) but I love your work and Dr. Ehrman's work. I can't sign up for the course, but can I ask a favor? Perhaps you can ask him something that has been bothering me a long time: How could Saul of Tarsus be a Roman citizen? Not that I believe the stories in Acts, but just how likely is that? And why would a learned Pharisee be a tent maker? Thanks for your work.
So he is saying the the judases an the jezabels of the end time will have these afflictions. So those that are judge an jury an those that are executioners of fellow man. Have made there bed so Jesus will fill it for them. Words are daggers. Actions is a sword whether it's on offense or defense. That's up to u we steer our own ship.
You are wrong, God is a wonderful God, just lo0ok at all the wonderful thing It allows us to do -
**PROSTITUTION**
All Israel went thither a whoring after it: J’g 8:27
the inhabitants of Jerusalem to go a whoring, II Ch 21:13
they now commit whoredoms with her, Eze 23:43
all them that go a whoring from thee. Ps 73:27
They have gone a whoring from under their God. Ho 4:12
they be the children of whoredoms. Ho 2:4
your daughters shall commit whoredom,,, I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom, Ho 4:13-14
**THIEVERY**
The thief cometh not, but to steal, kill and destroy. Joh 10:10
the LORD so cometh as a thief in the night. 1 Th 5:2
the LORD will come as a thief in the night; 2 Pe 3:10
watch, I will come on thee as a thief, Re 3:3
Behold, I come as a thief. Re 16:15
**WAR AND GENOCIDE**
He teacheth my hands to war Ps 18:35; 144:1
Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: Jer 51: 20
Yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think he doeth God service. Joh 16:2
**RAPE, MURDER, CHILD ABUSE, MUTILATION, HOMOSEXUALITY**
For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women raped Zech 14:2
They intended to kill me; instead, they ravished my concubine so that she died Ju 20: 5
And I took hold of my concubine and cut her in pieces Ju 20:6-11
he took her and lay with her by force. He was deeply attracted to Dinah the daughter of Jacob, Ge 32:2
Here is my virgin daughter and his concubine. Please let me bring them out that you may ravish them and do to them whatever you wish. Ju 19 :24
(Men of Sodom) said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.” Ge 19:4
Their little ones also will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered, and their wives ravished Isaiah 13:16
They ravished the women in Zion,(The Christian church) and the virgins in the cities of Judah. La 5:11
**CANNIBALISM**
thou mayest kill and eat flesh De 12:15
Ye shall eat the flesh of your sons and daughters Lev. 26:29
The LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat. Nu 11:18
and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, De 4:20
Thou shalt eat the fruits of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and daughters, De 28:53
woman (the Church) said give thy son, that we may eat him II Ki 6:28
That ye may eat flesh and drink blood. Eze 39: 17
Thy flesh and thy body are consumed Pr 5:11
I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: Isa 44:19
Colonizers moving to the America’s (most of them Christians) would run out of food by the time they reached the Caribbean, that was unfortunate for the non Christian Caribbean people, which consequently were deemed to be subhuman or animals, and were literally eaten into extinction by the colonizers: That practice was transferred to North American Indians, which were slaughtered and shipped to Europe to be sold as an exotic meat called “The Long Pig”:
eat every one the flesh of another.” Zec 11: 9:
If you ever wondered what ever motivated Christians to kill and eat other people, and or their own children, to be whores, to rape children, commit genocide, murder and other atrocities and heinous crimes; with verses such as the former, and worshipers ignorant of the symbolic language used by the Bible, you can consider that to be the motivating factor.
What ? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and not receive evil ? Job 2: 10
Yeah, “Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him” Job 13: 15.
I am damned, proud to be Christian! Praise the LORD, Amen that, and Hellallayuya!
Jesus IS God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). I’m not saying God is good and bad but…. He does create and destroy, he does shine, and cast shadows. He allows life, and death. Etc etc.
I have been following Dr Bart Ehrman since I found him in 2012. I would check out his audio books from the library. I have learned so much from him. At that time I had already left the church 12 years before. The things that I know about the Bible are not things that I knew as an average Christian. I know more things as an ex-believer than I ever would as a practicing Pentecostal believer who's every moment was spent in the church. Sunday morning service, Evening service, Young Peoples Night, Missionary Night, bible study and Sunday school. One would think that I would know the Bible backwards and forwards. What you know is what you are taught that is within your church. I say this to say, that the most basic and average believer knows very little about the Bible, it origins and the historical accounts and etc. They are NOT watching things like this or doing any diligent research to verify any of the accounts or meanings contained within those pages UNLESS you are starting to question the Bible, the church's teachings and etc. It is how I landed here with some questions when answered didn't make sense or couldn't make sense. None of this would have ever reached me in my echo chamber and if it did, I would allow the apologists to explain away those things and I would still be an active member 24 years later. Fundamentalists are much harder to reach, because they're not looking for, nor listening to anything that would make them take a closer look at the texts and the scriptures. I know this because I have NEVER heard any of the things I have heard and learned since leaving the church. This is not what is being preached or reaching the masses that practice Christianity.
So good. Everything was waved off as “who are we to question “. Amazing.
I agree with you as an ex Baptist then turned Seventh Day Adventist…🙄 But the truth for me is I have witnessed God’s Devine presence in my life on so many occasions and in extreme circumstances that I can not deny His existence nor Jesus. For me, it’s so difficult to believe in God but see man’s fingerprints all over His word. I’ve really had to delve deep into my soul for Him and he’s most certainly there; guiding, loving and providing. The God of the Bible is NOT the God that I have come to know. The gnostic accounts are more aligned, for me anyway.
I agree with Martin Luther on this much: Revelation has NOTHING to do with the rest of the Bible and was a fever-dream from some esoteric thinking guy on an obscure island. Imagine how different everything would have been if Luther actually took it out of the Bible? All the "end times" stuff from protestants wouldn't have happened and politics would be very different as a result.
What are Visions but dreams
Luther is a guy who was so rabidly anti-Semitic he wrote On The Jews And Their Lies and he has problems with Revelations wishing it wasn't in the Bible. I think that sums it up.
Luther was high on something. He was like your modern atheist who thinks he could have less problem with scripture once he cuts out, like Thomas Jefferson, part of the Bible he doesn't understand.
@@joecurran2811 THANK YOU!! the "Recommendations" that he makes in "The Jews and their Lies'" eerily reads like the checklist for Kristallnacht. Luther recommended 1) that Jewish rabbis, sages (and the males) should be taken out, humiliated and killed; 2) the Torah scrolls should be burned, the synagogues torched 3) Jewish women and children should be made to work in "concentrated labor" (his words) for xians to the "glory of christ". And WHY did Luther write this Anti-Semitic piece of filth? Because in his 20 year (!) campaign to convert the Jews to "Lutherism", the chief rabbi not only REFUSED to induce ANY of his community to convert to Luther's Xianity, but rather took the bold and audacious stance that if Luther chucked his Catholicism, why not go all the way and convert to Judaism; challenging Luther's "superiority". He saw that Luther had a brilliant mind and originally was a "friend" of the Jewish people. But that quickly changed in about 5 years when the Jews did NOT convert en masse.
@@Lerian_V Jefferson was NOT an atheist. He was a deist and believed to keep religion OUT of the political sphere. The Colonists had escaped the Crown with its own National Church, to which people still pay taxes, to this day!
Reading the comments reminds me how much I love Bart being an equal opportunity offender of dogmatic extremists on both sides
Dogmatism is everyone's enemy, and causes tremendous amounts of harm. No matter what side of any issue you (anyone) are, I hope we can agree that dogmatism is never beneficial.
You could say I'm dogmatically against dogmatism! Lol, but in all seriousness, I think every belief should be open to scrutiny, including this belief obviously.
@@trybunt Dogmas are useful. It's like an expert authority, after a lot of debates, saying "this question is now settled, now let's deal with the remaining open questions."
@@Lerian_V I would agree that considering some things as settled is handy to get on with our lives, but I think there's an obvious difference between being convinced a matter is settled, and thinking a matter undeniably settled. That's what dogmatism is, right? Thinking something is unquestionably true? I just can't see how adding "this cannot be questioned" helps in any way. Happy to learn if I'm wrong 🤷♂️
Yea buddy, he does that well doesn't he.
My son had a long-time girlfriend who is a Classical Greek Scholar. He has told me that Jezebelle in Rev passage is translated just as Dr Ehrman said. Quite disturbing if I may say.
Bart is great. I really enjoy listening to his knowledge of religious texts.
RB Thieme Jr is great
I’m always so thrilled when you have Bart on, such a fascinating conversation and he’s always so easy to understand. He has a way of simplifying these complicated bible topics. Can’t get enough of him.
His not evil your evil and you cant tell what good or bad is . Its called justice.
@@raz6630 Your comment makes no sense here. Perhaps you’re thinking of a different video or a conversation you’re having with someone else or possibly the voices in your head?
I was lucky enough to meet him and told him he's changing the world for the better by making Biblical scholarship digestible to the general public.
Same . I recently discovered him and can’t stop watch videos with him in it lol
Jesus did talk about torture. He said it is better to cut off your own hand if it causes you to sin rather than have your entire body thrown into Hell fire. He also in a parable talked about a rich man who was suffering in Hell and had no water, and he cried out to Lazarus for help and water but it was said a great divide existed between the two of them that could not be crossed. If Jesus came and only said nice things, I wouldn't have any problems with him. The problems I have stem from him very much enforcing the existence of Hell and eternal suffering as the alternative to following him.
Can you prove that a different reality exists? I doubt it
I'm just finishing Bart's new book Armageddon. Very good and easy read! Recommend it to anyone who has not looked into the Book of Revelation, along with Crossan's recent book Render Unto Caesar. This is a very fascinating topic in the NT (and of course very misunderstood).
Help me purchase one
Growing up in baptist and pentacostal holiness churches I've only heard revelations taught as a book of symbolism and metaphors, and the rapture was taught based just on the verses about two being in the field and one being left. It's definitely a breath of fresh air to hear from Dr Ehrman
Brother, the historical Jezebel was dead almost 900 years before Christ. It becomes incomprehensible when you try to interpret this literally.
I read your response before you deleted it, so I must add something: there's no reasonable possibility that someone close to the time of Jesus referencing verses from the old testament all the time mistakenly thought she was alive, because she is literally cited previously in the old testament. From this we are lead to conclude that whoever wrote this is astronomically likely to not mean this literally.
@@Samura1313 I didn't delete anything, but I completely agree with you. It's just like the misinterpreting of the mark of the beast. To stick with the original number then you'd have to admit that time has come and gone
@@vernonbandy2597 That's somewhat different. What you just described is changing the interpretation because the time has past and it didn't work, this is changing the interpretation because it doesn't make sense at any moment of all existing history to interpret this literally.
@@Samura1313 yeah, it never made sense. I think there's one theory that John was either on a sort of psychedelic trip or just schizophrenic
Thanks for the shorter video. I love the brevity and how much fascinating things are discussed.
Finally someone talks about Revelation chapter 2. I've been talking about it for years. It's strange no one else mentions it because it ruins the peace loving image of Jesus.
Excellent Podcast. I really like Bart. Especially what he says about the fundamentalists. It's nice to hear a realistic view.
Check this out. Dr. Scott Hahn, former Presbyterian pastor, journeys through the intellectual and cultural ideologies, as well as the historical figures, that led up to the Protestant Reformation. The title of the lecture is "The Forerunners of the Reformation". SEE LINK BELOW
The Forerunners of the Reformation - th-cam.com/video/CTMX4C169bg/w-d-xo.html
What I like about Bart is that he is a historian. He isn't any type of Christian. You be a good person without religion. I like that he has a podcast that gives to charity.
I also like that he doesn't believe the rapture literally.
So if jezebel was already dead when Jesus said that we can’t take the literal meaning of Jesus quote as just that throwing I bed has a deeper meaning
@@vickydestephano7415 ... Ehrman is not a historian... his degrees are from seminary schools about religion and theology... albeit from good seminaries unlike the numerous bad ones... but still... he is not a historian and has no history degrees.
you ask the questions I like to hear answered ..very interesting channel you have 👍
my favorite part was the plug for his upcoming lecture at the end. "don't get left behind..."
Bart Erhman's,early christianity and the battle of the scriptures lessons woke me up .Turned me on to the awarness of there being two gods.Which I was not aware of growing up in a Baptist church in North Carolina. Bart spoke about a group of Jewish people called the Ebonites who follow the laws of the creater god(yahweh)or (the eloheim) gods of the old testament, who was a god or gods of wrath and law ,who made laws to tough for his people to follow.And another group of people called the marcionites ,who believed there was another god an unknowable god who had no dealings with the world whatsoever, until he sent his son into the world to reveal the Good new and his father's existance.Which I would say was revealed to john the son of the zebedee family brother of James in the book the ,nag hammadi library's (secret book of John).Which talks about what jesus or the son of man revealed to his disciple John and his disciples including mary magdalene as well.The Father the mother and the only child, the son of the mother father .And the first ruler sophia's offspring yaldaboath, who called himself the jealous god of the old testament and the earth he created being his foot stoole,which was destroyed many times.Then he created many gods and emination of himself totaling twelve and yaldaboath being the thirteenth the chief ruler.which reminds me of the gods of Astrology. So the secret teaching revealed to those of spirit might prepare themselves when they leave this material universe back to their place of origin.Beyond that I could see no involvement in the material universe or this world by the father mother being that the teaching show the father was unknown .Adam being the first to come down and he was shown the way of asenstion thru secret knowledge.That my understanding of it so far.Then there is the origin of the world, nag hammadi and the reality of the rulers.
You are deceived, he's a lying mason
Bart is the GOAT on this stuff. I just re-upped my subscription to the blog and can't wait for the web webinar!
Ah so you buy into his pyramid scheme.
Kudos.
@@choch72 He literally gives all proceeds to charitable causes, primarily focused on homelessness and hunger. That's better than most churches can say.
@@J_Z913 Whether they say it or not it's very common for churches to have programs for hunger and homelessness.
@@choch72 The money goes to charity. You mad, bro?
@@Chad-xs2de Offer it for free. If it’s that important, no need to charge for it.
When Bart mentions the food given to idols and not to eat of it goes back to the idea that gods needed the scent of the food. They ate a meal then with the god who has accepted the smell of the food and then communed with the person who offered it.
Idols, in biblespeak, refers to the evil winter season of darkness.
Really? I thought it meant other gods than the one of the Torah
Small g=other gods (idols), large G=G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
@@path-wayworshipministies5434 there is no capital letters in hebrew where the old testament comes from.. .So im curious how do you think a capital g or a lowercase G means something.... Just curious.
@@AkramSaheb My apologies, I used for emphasis. When you eat the food sacrificed to a certain deity and then eat it, you are literally communing with that deity because it was offered to said deity.
I just received his latest book, and I'm anxious to read it.. Thank you for this!
Can someone tell me why his podcast on Spotify isn’t updated with new episodes?
John (the Johaninne school) is Pauline in theology and gentile in origin. The name “John” was to pick a neutral party in the early pillars from Paul’s letter Galatians. Peter likely didn’t sit well with James or Paul (as we see in Galatians) and imo Paul and James had a bitter falling out. So “John” is the pillar who comes to Paul’s aid, using much of Paul’s teachings throughout the Gospel and the letters.
It is fascinating to watch Bart and Derek stroke each other's egos.
It’s fascinating to watch theists deflect and deny anything that goes against their bias
@@JRRTokeKing It is fascinating that some atheists think they are above deflection, denial and bias.
@@jpt7955 they aren’t, but you haven’t demonstrated where either Derek or Bart are doing that.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 cmon bro.. quit the ad hominem and articulate your position
I say Jesus failed. I see no point in trying to gloss that. It goes to show, in my experience, that even a lot of critical scholars still have this residual reverence for Jesus that won't allow them to say anything that might sound judgemental or negative. They still see Jesus as sinless and asexual, pure in motivation, noble of purpose. They all seem to think he was self-possessed. That he had a plan and worked his plan. That he had a consistent and thought-out theology, etc. They still have a hard time seeing him as an authentic, messy human with messy thinking and selfish traits and unintended consequences. I know that Dr. Ehrman does NOT think Jesus got crucified on purpose but it's amazing how many critical scholars do.
Yes his thinking most of the time is that of an apologist. Carrier respects him to a point but also thinks some of his work is sloppy.
That is a great observation. Listening to Bart is like listening to a christian. He gives me the impression of being a C.S. Lewis type of christian with a bit more oomph!
A lot of New Testament scholars seem to have an emotional attachment to Jesus and Christianity - even if they're not Christian.
@@decades5643 lol so unless an atheistic or agnostic scholar says “Jesus never existed” then they still have some sort of love and emotional attachment for him???? Come on..
@@superjam18 No. I'm not a mythicist myself. You can sometimes tell when reading a scholars work or listening to their interviews. Of course, I'm not saying all NT scholars are like that.
"In righteousness He judges and wages war." "He's called Faithful and True."
Revelation 2:22 says in all translations:
"Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation,"
Does not say that they will do anything with her, but that those who are doing already adultery, will suffer.
Could you please explain professor.
Do u not know what adultery is? Those who cheat on their wives, it’s a euphemism. The verse before talks about her sexual immorality, so do the math
Beware, I am throwing her on a bed, and those who commit adultery with her I am throwing into great distress, unless they repent of her doings, 23 and I will strike her children dead.
Nope. Its not all translations. Most do, yes. But surprisingly not the King James or the Amplified. If you go to the original Greek, its just "bed". Not bed of sickness.
In fact, some translations say "bed of suffering".
κλίνην (klinēn)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's 2825: A couch, bed, portable bed or mat, a couch for reclining at meals, possibly also a bier. From klino; a couch. [The Greek says nothing about a bed "of sickness." Ehrman is correct on this point.]
What Iam I witness here, the man is saying that Barts Point is incorrect not the translation.
When is the Carrier vs Ehrman debate???
Carrier has offered to debate Ehrman but he has refused.
@@larrypicard8802 Why?
Keep up the good work brother!
The reference to the best of my knowledge is related to events like Aids. But what do I know? People see and add what works for them. It could actually be in reference to a whole nation or tribe of people.
Bart's a humble and well reasoned agnostic and I can't believe a truly 'good' god would condemn him and similar people like Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan, etc. to potential eternal torture just because they tried to find _truth_ through analysis and reason instead of faith or fear!
At least I hope not because such a god would be evil beyond all description!
Evil by who's standards?
@@jpt7955 Mine!
@@cardcounter21 mine too!
@@jpt7955by any rational and compassionate standards.
Eternal torture is a lie. The wages of sin is death, it isn't being resurrected as a sort of undead creature to experience conscious eternal torture. The punishment for rejecting God and nonrepentance is to be literally left dead for eternity. Ironically, this is the very post-death fated nonexistence Steven Hawking, Carl Sagan, etc already believe in anyway. The stereotypical view of hell with pitchforked devils and chained is a Catholic Papacy-invented mythology that unfortunately has been passed on. Catholics were very fond of burning people alive and torturing them back in the day. That idea of hell simply isn't in the Bible any more than the rapture is (also a Catholic invention of a jesuit priest).
If we take the New Testament's book of Revelation as literal via the lens of a Bibliolater then we also think that tangible stars that outsize planet Earth by 100 fold are going to literally fall to the Earth's ground like hail.
If God wants this, it will happen! What’s so hard to understand??
The best way to understand the Discourse is to notice that the disciples have made an incorrect, albeit understandable, assumption when they question Jesus-that the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem is the end of the age and must be somehow associated with the coming of Christ in the clouds with great glory. But Jesus will correct this mistaken assumption and speak of two distinct events separated by an indeterminate period of time (this is characteristic of so-called Reformed amillennialism). The first event to occur is the destruction of the city and the temple, and includes the horrible suffering of A.D. 70, after which Israel will be cut off and left desolate. The second event of which Jesus speaks is the end of the age, when the Son of Man will return in final judgment.
The key, then, to interpret the passage correctly, is to look at the disciple’s questions and to see how Jesus answers them (in light of Daniel’s prophecy) so as to correct their misconception about the destruction of the temple and the end of the age being the same event. As we will see from Jesus' answers, these two complexes of events (Jesus' death, resurrection, and ascension, followed by the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in A.D. 70, and then his second coming at the end of the age) are the redemptive-historical bookends of the interadvental age.But Jesus gives another sign, one which indicates these things extend beyond the destruction of Jerusalem into the present age. Says Jesus, the gospel must be preached to all nations before the end can come. Then talking of the church let's not confuse the Roman Catholic Church with the Church of Christ.
Wow this is rough !
Wow his last statement, what a logical statement. Thanks to critical thinkers😊
Adding a comment to feed the TH-cam algorithm. 🙋🏻♂️
24:00 mark…….since when would we EVER rely on our “peers” for validation to confirm your beliefs?
I haven't ready revelation but a quick google search and research of 2:22 does not match the description given here in this podcast. Seems like Bart added a little extra in this to get a reaction.
κλίνην (klinēn)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's 2825: A couch, bed, portable bed or mat, a couch for reclining at meals, possibly also a bier. From klino; a couch. [So Ehrman is correct; the Greek says nothing about it being sick bed or hospital bed.]
It means “closed” or closing, wth are you talking about a bed for?!
@@missmorena1049 2:22 linked you to the video. I mean Rev 2:22. He talks about that later in the video.
@@jimbyer720 2:22 linked you to the video. I meant Rev 2:22. He talks about that later in the video.
Other problematic things in that book: the scorpion-horse-locusts. The fire-breathing jews. It goes on like this.
It is easy....the scorpion is the constellation Scorpio.
the whole thing is clearly poetic and one interesting poetic interpretation I have seen is its a hornet.
@@ikengaspirit3063
The entire bible must be read as allegory.
@@harveywabbit9541 No, the Bible is composed of different books with different sections that are different genres.
Another thing is that sections aren't purely one genre or another but a mix, so a more historical book like kings can be arranged in an allegorical way.
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“Solomon determined to build a house for the name of the Lord (Sun during summer), and a house for his kingdom " = the year (2 Chron. 2.1, 12). Accordingly, Solomon began to build the Lord's house "in the second day of the second month (April), in the fourth year of his reign " (2 Chron. 3.2), and finished it " in the month Bul (October), which is the eighth month. So, he was seven years in building it" (1 Kings 6.38). Here, if we reckon the years as months, all will harmonize, otherwise we will stumble upon insurmountable difficulty. For, if Solomon commenced to build the Lord's house " in the second day of the second month Zif (April), and finished it in the month Bul, which is the eighth month " (October), he certainly did not work even or entire years. But if we call these years, months, all difficulty will vanish. The second month, then, will be the fourth, counting from January, of Solomon's reign, because the Sun is born, i.e., begins his reign, from the winter solstice. This house of the Lord was built during, and corresponds with, the seven months of the Creation. It also corresponds to the seven degrees of the Royal Arch mason. But in the building of his own house, Solomon occupied thirteen years (the thirteen lunar months), and these thirteen years (lunar months) began with Solomon's reign, and ended with the year. Solomon's house was the same as the Tabernacle, which, says Josephus, "was made in way of representation and imitation of the universe," or of the year. (Antiq., B. 3, cap. 7.)
The astronomy of the Bible being that of the Ptolemaic system, the reader will naturally, of course, be led to look for epicycles, i.e., small circles so placed that their centers move in and about the circumference of a great circle; and sure enough, here they are in 1 Kings 6.5: "And against the wall of the house he built chambers round about (i.e., circular chambers), against the walls of the house round about (i.e., of the circular house), both of the temple and the oracle," i.e., the holy of holies. We also find such described in Ezekiel 40.16, and 41.16, but much more complex. The number of these epicycles varied according to the fancy of the author. Thus, when the number had risen to thirty-four, Aristotle added twenty-two more. This number not being adequate, additions were still made until the system became so cumbrous that it fell of its own weight, and gave place to the Copernican, which we call the true system
As a believer I'm not bothered by this in the least. Humans probably don't know even one percent of all there is to know about the reality of God. So its very unwise to cast aspersions towards almighty God. Regarding the issue of evil or anything else, from a TINY pea brain perspective of colossal ignorance, again, regarding all of divine reality.
I agree that most Christians have a distorted/unbalanced/incomplete view of Jesus. But the ‘nice’ Jesus and ‘mean’ Jesus are not contradictory portrayals; they are complementary, two aspects of a whole. If you read the whole Bible, it’s easy to see that God has a consistent pattern throughout: 1. He creates/saves by grace through faith; 2. He teaches good and evil, requiring us to choose good; 3. He gives us much time and many chances to try, fail and try again, but eventually judges us-rewarding according to our works, good for good, bad for bad. (That pattern can be seen with Adam and Eve, with Israel in Exodus and on, and for both Jew and Gentile).
In (Luke 4:18-21) Jesus quotes (Isaiah 61:1-2) but cuts it short (“…AND…” and What?). As he said, he fulfilled as much as he read. His unnatural cliffhanging stop seems designed to point to part two, his second coming, as described in Revelation, a time of vengeance. Also in (John 8:26), we see that Jesus has unfinished business in terms of judgement-but he only now speaks what the Father directs him to speak.
Mission 1: Warn and give a chance to repent and be saved from judgement.
Mission 2: Judgement (etc).
Paul said many interesting things, especially regarding choosing what is right but that your right may not be suitable for others.
He realized the idol is nothing, as God rules, yet weaker believers may be swayed by idol worship, I e recent concerts from Corinth.
This "work", The Revelation, contrasts to the simple teaching of Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus teaches in a way that even a simple mind or child could understand. These teachers always have a new book to sell. Listen, if you need a man's word to interpret these scriptures then pray for understanding and the Father/Jesus will give it to you. Exercise your faith.
Really enjoy listening to Bart!
September 23rd 2017 is the date given by the passage of the maiden with the crown of seven stars and Sun and Moon at her feet.
I so appreciate this talks. Thank you. If being a christian is not about believing the bible, howcome all christians constantly argue about the bible and interpret it differently? If a God inspired to the Bible I think the message should have been to unite christians?
Love Bart. His enthusiasm and jolly approach are infectious to both listening and learning his stuff.
Don’t worry, he will find out soon
Been slacking on my donations lol take the family out for dinner on me broseph
Thanks bro! I seriously appreciate that superthanks! ❤
@@MythVisionPodcast you're very welcome, and thank you!
My favorite MythVision episodes are when Dr. Ehrman is on.
I can’t wait for Jesus to come back and take his followers from here. That would be really good 😅
The two aspects of the "Apocalypsis" connecting Jesus to Evil are 22:16 where he equates himself with or identifies as LUCIFER, the 🌟 of the 🌅, and in the part where he LOOSES 👹 from the Pit so he can go on one final "spree"! WHY would he DO such a thing instead of just kicking his ass in the
🔥ing pan??! 🤔🧐🤨☹️😯
Excellent! I had to stop and start it many times to write down quotes that I will use on social media.
Why? Everything he says is wrong. You'll be quoting a fool.
@@Ace_Bandido808 Why do you call someone with a PhD who has studied ancient languages, manuscripts, who wrote countless articles and books a fool? Are all the other scholars who hold similar views fools as well? Even some of the early Christian scholars, such a Victorinus from the 3rd century, agree with Ehrman.
@TheAstronomer I'm calling him a fool because I have the Bible right in front of me and several versions and I can tell he's wording it wrong on purpose. Funny how you need so many PHDs just to learn how to read properly. The Bible mentions nothing about bounding her to a bed and throwing men with her that's stupid. It literally says "cast her to a bed" which always means to be sick or ill that you can't get up from bed. Not only that but the men are just being persecuted, it says nothing about forcing them to rape her. It says they will be punished for having slept with her because that's what she had been doing the whole time.
The Savior Sun, comes out of the pit/underworld/winter, at each spring equinox. The Savior Sun, goes back into the pit at each autumn equinox.
You really think you know something.. ok 😂
Great stuff. Bart is so good. I have nearly every one of his books. I mean, how many people are even aware of this particular passage in revelation. Most christians would rather just pick up a "Left Behind" book than actually study Revelation.😀🤔
generation - genos : ( by implication of the translators means an age )..........genos itself refers to race, stock, kin....a social group claiming common descent...... so then, " Truly I say unto you, this race, stock, or kin, shall not pass away until all these things be accomplished. " I just pulled the definitions from the net. Surely I am missing something....????
I looked for that chapter and verse but they all gave a very different account. They never mentioned a baby unless it’s the Phillips translation where he goes on a tangent . Write this to the angel of the Church in Thyatira: ‘These are the words of the Son of God whose eyes blaze like fire and whose feet shine like the finest bronze: I know what you have done. I know of your love and your loyalty, your service and your endurance. Moreover, I know that you are doing more than you did at first. But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel who calls herself a prophetess, but who by her teaching deceives my servants into sexual immorality and eating idols’-meat. I have given her time to repent but she has shown no desire to repent of her immorality. See, now, how I throw her into bed and her lovers with her, and I will send them terrible suffering unless they repent of what she has done. As for her children, I shall strike them dead. Then all the Churches will know that I am the one who searches men’s hearts and minds, and that I will reward each one of you according to your deeds
Bart is reading the original language, right? so maybe it's more obvious? But that is literally saying what he said. He will throw her onto a bed, curse her lovers, and kill her offspring.
End of the day, it says what it says.
CATHOLIC BIBLE
18“To the angel of the church in Thyatira,(a) write this:
“‘The Son of God, whose eyes are like a fiery flame and whose feet are like polished brass, says this:
19“I know your works, your love, faith, service, and endurance, and that your last works are greater than the first.
20Yet I hold this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, who teaches and misleads my servants to play the harlot and to eat food sacrificed to idols.(b)
21I have given her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her harlotry.
22So I will cast her on a sickbed and plunge those who commit adultery with her into intense suffering unless they repent of her works.
23I will also put her children(c) to death. Thus shall all the churches come to know that I am the searcher of hearts and minds and that I will give each of you what your works deserve.
24But I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not uphold this teaching and know nothing of the so-called deep secrets of Satan(d): on you I will place no further burden,
25except that you must hold fast to what you have until I come.
26“‘“To the victor,* who keeps to my ways* until the end,
I will give authority over the nations.
27He will rule them with an iron rod.
Like clay vessels will they be smashed,
28just as I received authority from my Father. And to him I will give the morning star.
29“‘“Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
Footnotes:
(a) Thyatira: modern Akhisar, ca. forty miles southeast of Pergamum, a frontier town famous for its workers’ guilds (cf. Acts 16:14), membership in which may have involved festal meals in pagan temples.
(b) The scheming and treacherous Jezebel of old (cf. 1 Kgs 19:1-2; 21:1-14; 2 Kgs 9:22, 30-34) introduced pagan customs into the religion of Israel; this new Jezebel was doing the same to Christianity.
(c) CHILDREN: SPIRITUAL DESCENDANTS.
(d) The so-called deep secrets of Satan: literally, “the deep things of Satan,” a scathing reference to the perverse teaching of the Nicolaitans (Rev 2:15).
(e) The Christian who perseveres in faith will share in Christ’s messianic authority (cf. Ps 2:8-9) and resurrection victory over death, symbolized by the morning star; cf. Rev 22:16.
(f) Who keeps to my ways: literally, “who keeps my works.”
When they say, "Get the book!" Should play a clip from Bruce Willis movie, Armageddon, when amateur astronomer wants to contact NASA lol I always picture that scene. 😂
Revelation chapter 2 seems to be about misleading people away from God. He's angry that people are mislead from him. He casts judgment on those like Jezebel, but chapter 2 has more, misleading his people. But he gave Jezebel so much time, so much time, alot of time to repent for misleading his people. But Jezebel refuses to repent in her misleadings and he allows her to continue to see who else will lay in bed with her and who else follow her thereafter to determine their hearts and minds. But he does casts judgment on her for refusing to repent on misleading his people and for the people he lost to her.
Amazing interview. Love Bart’s work.
Blessed are those who hear the words of this conversation, for the (coffee) time is near!
I am going to have to go and read revelations again now with these new eyes!
Excellent!
Better have you zodiac ready.
Try reading Quran
@@PEH5806 I've looked into the quran. A real mess.
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Maybe your head is mess
@PEH5806 First, read surah 2, which confirms Mohammed thought the Torah and bible were true. Then, check Exodus and you will find that Exodus didn't happen. Then, check that the Exodus in scripture is the same today as it was 5th century BCE, which disproves the apologists that say scripture was corrupted. (The quran also says the word of God is incorruptible.)
Conlusion: The quran is false.
It's amazing that Revelation made into the canon mainly because it puts words into the mouth of Jesus that he is going to say in the future. That alone should have been good enough reason for early Christian leaders to reject it.
I hope they keep in mind the celestial meaning behind nearly all old religious writings.
"Jesus" saying ages & the like meant the 72 wobble, 2500 approx sign change., 225-250 million years to travel the galaxy, right?
I am so glad that my parents never took me to church and poisoned my mind with this horrible religion.
IKR
Jealous. I was indoctrinated from childhood, it took years to get it out of my system
I’m somewhat grateful for my indoctrination. Working my way through what I was taught and questioning what I was told to believe made me so much stronger mentally and has fined tuned my nonsense detecting ability.
I'm so glad that my parents took me the Church because church only capable us to go into heaven the New Jerusalem . Thanks 🙏🏼
@@nahshonpani6495 let us know how heaven is
Drl Erhman is a treasure. Thank you.
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Apart from the oral tradition, how else would someone come to the understanding of believing in God the Father, Son, etc., but from the Bible. I can see how someone would/could conflate the two. It seems strange to me that anyone would be perplexed by it.
Err Revelation 3:8-10 is ALSO another Rapture verse, whether the word “rapture” is used or not does not discredit the valid idea:
“I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Revelation 3:8, 10
Grace and peace of God the Father amd our Lord Jesus Christ be with all who love to do the will of God... Jesus is alive and because He lives we too will live...What a wonderful assurance we have in the book of revelation.
Do you really want to live forever? Do you know how long that is? "forever is a pretty word, but actually a terrifying concept. There are an estimated 200 billion trillion stars in the universe...so the number of atoms in the universe is an unimaginable number...10 to the 80th power. Now imagine 10 to the trillionth power, in years...that wouldn't even register compared to infinity... have fun!
@@user-yb4xn6or4k Eternal life in heaven with Jesus is what I am absolutely looking forward to...this world of course is dead and filled with wickedness.
Jesus delivers some firm rebukes and calls to repent in Revelation 3, but nobody in the churches actually gets erased from the book, so He demonstrates great mercy - again.
@@user-yb4xn6or4k And that's just the physical dimension, plenty of time to explore it all then, space and time won't be experienced the same way either; a hyper dimensional being may experience all times at the same time - we don't know what that will be like exactly but surely awesome.
@william rice great mercy? For not “erasing” his followers in the church? As he shouldn’t be doing to people who follow him anyway. I can point out numerous times where Yeshua was not merciful and acts unjustly.
What does bart think about the "meek will inherit the earth" verse.... had he seen Jordan Peters ons take on that and its real meaning in Greek?
Jordan Peterson is not a Bible scholar. He has no idea what he's talking about and he doesn't know Greek.
Generally Bart is trying to genuinely understand what the authors meant when writing each passage, taking into account that each author had different ideas and intentions.
From what I understand of Jordan Peterson- he generally connects most things to his idea that there's an eternal battle between chaos and order, and these ancient texts are filled with useful "truths" about how to life our lives.
I only say "truths" like that because Jordan Peterson has a very unique way of defining what is "true" as what is "useful".
I found Jordan Peterson very helpful at one point in my life, but eventually I reached a point where his methods for drawing conclusions became obvious and once I noticed I couldn't unsee. It's basically the whole thing about useful things being true. Personally, the truth is what corresponds with reality. That's how I define what is true. But under that definition, Jordan Peterson would probably have to call himself an atheist, and he definitely doesn't think that's useful, so 🤷♂️ under his definition, he is Christian because it's useful to be Christian. He has said all this stuff many times, God is a useful concept real in our minds as our highest ideal. I would call that imaginary, but he calls that true. Once I noticed this I couldn't listen to much of him without this methodology becoming apparent.
@@trybunt Most everything he says about mythology is wrong. He also uses Kantian theory of archetypes, which is empirically baseless and he has invented this "mythological substrate' of his which has no basis in anything methodolgical or academic, he's is gender obsessed and misogynist which means he obsessively tries to categorize things as "masculine" amd "feminine" as if those words have any objective or culturally consistent meaning.
He said women wear makeup to work because they want to be sexually harassed. That's not a paraphrase, that's how he said it.
@@trybunt completely agree with your assessment.
@@Ken_Scaletta That sounds like him.
What about where Jesus says in Luke 17: " I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. 35 oThere will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.”10 37 And they said to him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, q“Where the corpse11 is, there the vultures12 will gather.”
It used to say "grinding at the mill" and none of the rest was perverted, either. These are supernatural Mandela Effect bible changes.
@@briansonof "supernatural"--what does that mean?
Now I know this channel is geared toward those that carry the notion that no God exist… so I’m curious in regards to the subject matter of this video have any of you made the connection that the book of Revelation is a more detailed apocalyptic writing of what is shown in the Old Testament of the book of Daniel?
I thought Jesus said" no man knoweth the day and the hour" Bart. Correct me if I am wrong.
God said that
@@perryweeks9577 The anonymous man who wrote it said that.
I'm totally shocked, and like Dereck said, will let it have to sink in.
Why are you shocked?
Just order Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion. It'll save you from a lot of agonising over what any religious figure did or didn't say, or mean.
It likely refers to spiritual death, ie being cut off from the source of life. It seems some members of that church were aligning themselves with pagan deities. But Jesus in the Gospels called people to repentence, because continued sin and evil has consequences, resulting in judgement of physical and spiritual death. I am not sure why that is surprising.
Plenty of scholars have argued jesus is a pagan deity.
There is only death. As in DEATH. There is no "spiritual" death or "eternal" death. That has to be inferred, and is the invention of people. There is no special kind of death that is code words for "everlasting life of pain and suffering". The wages of sin is always DEATH, actual DEATH, which is not some kind of code word for everlasting life of pain and agony.
@@ros6111 I think the 'unsaved' will be destroyed out of existence, so it seems we agree.
One of the best interviews and points of view I have listened to!!!
( My only personal thought is that Our Creator is Our Creator, but the horrible things done by humans or sadness SHOULD NOT Be blamed on Our Creator); hence all the BS.written in Religious doctrines are MAN-MADE.
You're coping.
Wow very interesting and scary
Dr. Bart, thank you for sharing all the information you do. I know you do not half too, but our a love for humanity, you do. And I for one area grateful.
I just read revelation this morning. It does not say that in chapter 12 .
Try another book. Thanks to copyright law theyre all different!
Charles I Burleson Jr: It's O.K. to doubt! It's all part of our growth as a collective. May God bless you all and keep you safe. Amen.
SHOW ME WHO SAID GOD IS EVIL?
EVIL ; occurs + - 600x in the Bible
Dictionary definition: 2. Causing pain or trouble; 4. Threatening, causing misfortune, misery or disaster:
Bible dictionary; trouble, distress and calamity which mankind must endure; a punishment sent from God:
Have ye rewarded evil for good ? Ge 44: 4
So shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you Jos 23: 15
an evil spirit from the LORD,,, an evil spirit from God I Sa 16: 14, 15; 18:10; 19: 9; 24: 17
it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, I Sa 16: 16
Whereas I have rewarded thee evil I Sa 24: 17
I will raise up evil against thee II Sa 12: 11
I will bring evil upon thee I Ki 21: 21
This evil is of the LORD II Ki 6: 33
I will bring evil upon this place, II Ki 22: 16, 20; 2 Ch 34: 24, 28; Jer 19: 3
What ? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and not receive evil ? Job 2: 10
When I looked for good, then evil came unto me: Job 30: 26
The evil that the LORD had brought Job 42: 11
for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth. Ec 11: 2
I make peace, and create evil: Isa 45: 7
Therefore shall evil come upon thee Isa 47: 11
I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction. Jer 4: 6
O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, Jer 6: 19
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, Jer 11: 11; 23:12; 49: 37
For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, Jer 11: 17
Thus saith the LORD; I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: Jer 18: 11
evil of the children of Israel Jer 32: 32
None of them shall remain or escape from the evil that I have brought upon them. Jer 42: 17
I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: Jer 44: 27
I will punish you in this place, that ye may know that my words shall surely stand against you for evil: Jer 44: 29
I am the LORD, and that I have not said in vain that I would do this evil unto them. Eze 6: 10
Thus saith the LORD God; An evil, an only evil, behold, is come. Eze 7: 5
the evil that I have brought Eze 14: 22
by bringing upon us a great evil Da 9: 12
*Every one who doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, Mal 2: 17
“Jezebel” in Revelation represents the Mary worship in catholicism. Thyatira represents Roman catholics, one of the 7 “churches”
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living GOD.
Whay, if God is Love and Father?
The last few minutes of this is centered around this simple idea that’s nevertheless mind blowing to me even as someone who was never in any way evangelical but dropped Christianity entirely pretty much as soon as I discovered fundamentalism and what it teaches. I just saw Chris Keith say this the other day when asked how he balances Christianity with scholarship - “We don’t believe in the Bible!”. And somehow even I as someone who has _always_ thought ideas like Biblical inerrancy are flat out insane had never even thought of it like that, and I don’t think many people, Christian or not, do.
As Dr Ehrman says, “The fundamentalists won”.
Seems like an epistemological problem. That's a big word, I don't usually say words so big, lol, but I do think epistemology is sorely missed in many educations. How do we know what we think we know? How confident should we be? These are important questions that I would argue most people either don't want to think about, or want easy answers.
It's a competition against Islam's Koran and USA constitution ideas that really rope in a lot of people. Even the USA used to have a lot of not-pro-Bible Christian sects like Quakers and Shakers that chose to "believe only in the Holy Spirit and not in books of fallible religious men".
@@trybunt Check this out. Dr. Scott Hahn, former Presbyterian pastor, journeys through the intellectual and cultural ideologies, as well as the historical figures, that led up to the Protestant Reformation. The title of the lecture is "The Forerunners of the Reformation". SEE LINK BELOW
The Forerunners of the Reformation - th-cam.com/video/CTMX4C169bg/w-d-xo.html
I never could get into that "Left Behind" series.
They just released a new left behind movie. I actually watched it. I made it through the whole thing and was tempted to skip part very badly but I endured to the end. I wish Christians would up their theatrical game. There should have been more action scenes. It's called Left Behind: Rise of the Antichrist.
How can anyone possibly deem God to be a destroyer?
Well,,, perhaps this might have something to do with that -
I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth Gn. 6: 7
Behold, I will destroy them with the earth Gn. 6: 13, 17
A flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, Ge 6:17
For we will destroy this place;,,, the LORD hath sent us to destroy Ge 19:13
I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy Le 26:22
Because the LORD had said he would destroy you. De 9:25
All these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; De 28: 45
Them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed De 28:61
So the LORD will rejoice over you, to destroy you, De 28:63
God hath determined to destroy thee, II Ch 25:16
he destroyeth the perfect and the wicked. Job 9:22
For it(God) is a fire that consumeth to destruction, Job 31:12
O God, shall bring them down to the pit of destruction: Ps 55:23
He turneth man to destruction Ps 90: 3
Hell and destruction are before the LORD: Pr 15:11
Hell and destruction are never full; Pr 27:20
I will destroy thee, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD. Eze 25:7
he deviseth wicked devices to destroy Isa 32:7
Destroy you, and give you up to slaughter Isa. 34: 1
saith the LORD which destroyeth all the earth: Jer 51:25
and I will destroy thy mother(source of spiritual life). Ho 4:5
it is polluted, it shall destroy you, Mi 2:10
with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, II Th 1:9
I'm impressed, that's a lot of effort, on your part and on God's part. Something to look forward to and to look back on. I would tend to read that as the hope of salvation and deliverance from destruction, indeed a promise, not of my own doing. Interesting, thanks. It all depends on what message the hearer is hearing. What my frame of reference is.
If I am looking at it from Adams' perspective after he realises he is naked I would definitely be worried, if I didn't know I was naked probably not so worried.
@@wilfredmancy Tube Ai God is deleting my replies to you: sorry, end of conversation
@@misterwakeupcall Thanks, sounds as if I may have got off lightly.
@@wilfredmancy Lol... Yes. In my first reply I tried to add links to a couple of my articles, that is when Tube Ai shuts me down.
It may let me post excerpts therefrom however (sometimes).
I will reload the site and send excerpt
@@wilfredmancy JESUS - FATHER AND SON AT THE SAME TIME ?
Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, the Christ, the Spirit of God, Jehovah Gods? Are they all the same Things?
The answer to that is - Yes and no: what follows explains why
Jesus Christ is rarely mentioned in the four Go-spells, therein Jesus is predominantly referred to as Jesus of Nazareth (the man):
Jesus Christ is mentioned twice in M’t 1: 1, as a “Generation of Jesus Christ”, in other words, what is being generated; then in M’t 1: 20 as what is born of a Holy Ghost.
Jesus Christ is mentioned once in M’r 1: 1 in relation to “the gospel of Jesus Christ”.
Jesus Christ is referred to three times in John, in 1: 17 as “The truth that came from Jesus Christ, in 17: 3 wherewith Jesus speaks of Jesus Christ in the third person singular as what is “sent from God”, and in 20: 31 as what is “written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ”.
None of those instances actually call Jesus Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is not mentioned even once in the Book of Luke: not until the fifth Go-spell is Jesus called Jesus Christ, subsequent to Jesus being “approved of God” in Ac 2:22.
By now, one may suspect that perhaps Jesus is not the same Thing as Christ.
That suspicion is not without merit, whereas, Bible Dictionaries confirm that suspicion by listing Jesus and Christ separately.
In addition to that are several verses whereby Jesus refers to Christ in the third person singular, for instance, the following
"Jesus asked them, What think ye of Christ? Whose son is he?" M’t 22: 42.
“The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;” Re 11: 15.
In the latter we see a comma in front of “and”, indicating two separate ideas, which pertain to four separate Things.
The two ideas:
1. A capitalized lower case “Lord”, according to standard English practice of capitalizing a word referring to a Deity or God: “Lord” is known to pertain to Jesus.
2. “His Christ”. Who’s Christ is It? Well, “His” refers to God “fruit after his kind” Ge 1:11, “the Christ of God” Lu 9:20 “The Father of spirits” Nu 16:22, “the Father raiseth up the dead,” Joh 5: 21.
The four separate Things:
1] the soul of Jesus the man “IN”
2] the Thing called Christ “Apprehended of Christ” Ph’p 3: 12, “Prisoner of Christ” Ph’m 1: 9,
3] the Spirit of God whose abode is in Christ (“in it he had rested” Ge 2:3) but is now “in”
4] the body of Jesus (“To wit, that God was in Christ” II Co 5:19).
The former explains how this is possible - “I am in the Father, and the Father in me,” Joh 14:11; thus, the Spirit of God in the body of the man that was called Jesus of Nazareth, that Thing is now called Jesus Christ: the Thing in which the soul of Jesus the man is in and from whence the Spirit came is “Christ Jesus”.
“God hath made that same Jesus,,, both Lord and Christ.” Ac 2: 37, thereafter, subsequent to that man receiving a Holy Ghost from the Father in Ac 2: 33,
“That same Jesus” is referred to as “Jesus Christ”.
“He (LORD) had restored a dead body to life,” 2 Ki 8:5
That is the difference between the man Jesus of Nazareth, the Spirit called God that abides in the Device/Thing called Christ, the Spirit of God in the body of the man Jesus called Jesus Christ, and “the Christ of God” with the soul of the man Jesus in It called Christ Jesus.
Moreover, “Jesus Christ” is a title which refers to the combination of an otherworldly entity, inside the body of a man, that is the only way Jesus the man is the Christ.
This is reality, Jesus was a man that was used as a host body, an Avatar for a Spirit of the “LORD of Hosts”, hence some Jesus’ titles alluding to that scenario -
“Host of the LORD” Jos 5: 14,
“Heavenly Host” Lu 2:13,
“God manifest in the flesh” 1 Ti 3: 16, and, this peculiar title: “A stranger and an Alien” Ps 69: 8 (an appropriate title if one is to comprehend an alien spirit inside the body of a man).
Jehovah Gods/Jehovah Elohim, the Spirits in the Christ, the Gods, “all that are in Christ“ 1Pe 5:14
Behold!
“They that use this World” 1 Co 7: 31;
“they are not of the world,” Joh 17: 14;
“they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, ”Ps 21:11;
“he (the device/Jehovah/LORD/Christ/the Word, etc.) it is that brought us” Jos 24: 17
“we are in him” I Jo 5:20;
“we brought nothing into this world” 1 Ti 6: 7
“except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh’ Da 2: 11
“in him(It) we live and move and have our being” Ac 17:27
“These be thy Gods, O Israel” Ex 32: 4, 8;
“Aliens of the commonwealth of Israel” Eph 2: 12.
What? Did you think God is called "LORD of Hosts" and Jesus Called "Heavenly Host and Host of the LORD" because God frequently held dinner parties at Jesus' house?
too good!
Garbage really
I'm still waiting for someone to adequately explain Isaiah 45:7
Whoever wrote Isaiah was bragging, "My God can beat up your God!"
It comes down to interpretation of the original language. I presume your referring to the use of the word “evil”. Here are the passages in the NKJV version.
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other;
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the Lord, do all these things.’
these verses show the contrast between what provides and what you get when he withdraws his provision. Calamity is a better(and possible) interpretation of the Hebrew here.
The Hebrew word translated as “evil” (ra‘) in the King James Version of Isaiah 45:7 has two applications in the Bible. The term can be used in the sense of moral evil, such as wickedness and sin (Matthew 12:35; Judges 3:12; Proverbs 8:13; 3 John 1:11), or it can refer to harmful natural events, calamity, misfortune, adversity, affliction, or disaster. It is in this second sense that Isaiah speaks, and his meaning is reflected in most modern Bible translations of Isaiah 45:7 (emphasis added): “I make success and create disaster” (HCSB); “I make well-being and create calamity” (ESV); “I send good times and bad times” (NLT).
This is the trouble with nonbelievers and 'scholars' who set out to disprove the scripture. They are not unbiased and will latch onto 'ahah gotcha now, you lying bastards' they come across.
@@nathanmorgan3647 This is the trouble with apologetics. Calamities and disasters are evil. Lying about the facts of the discussion do not change the facts of the discussion.
Next you will probably lie about how you know ra in this verse means a natural disaster before you claim that diseases are caused by what comes out of your mouth, not what goes in.
You should be ashamed.
@@rembrandt972ify No, I'm not ashamed for looking up definitions of words to see what is actually being said. Not ashamed at all. LMFAO.
The dramatic music and stock footage at the beginning is there to influence one towards a certain view. I wish these videos were more objective, less sensational. The content stands on its own, it doesn’t need fanfare
Glad he is on my side, even for reasons that I do not always understand.
I understand that this guy’s historical knowledge and therefore the performed work are tremendous, but I also feel that he does not control well an elementary logic.
First point: his explanation on agnostic/atheist
Believing:
I am a believer: I believe that “this” exists
I am agnostic: I do not believe that “this” exists
I am atheist: I believe that “this” does not exist
Of course if we believe that “it” does not exist, we consequently not believe that “it” exists. An atheist is agnostic.
Then saying (with Bart): “I am both atheist and agnostic” is not relevant.
Second point: asking like Bart: “how could he know?” is curious. Of course we could know. The question is not this one, even not what we know, but what we are speaking about. Just define what is God and the following things are easy.
Knowing:
What about “this”? If “this” is defined or let say characterized sufficiently to highlight contradictions or impossibilities then we know that “this” is not possible, we know that it does not exist (as “defined”).
We do not ask to a subjective thing to be consistent, in particular we do not ask a belief to be well approached philosophically. But if we want to know (at least to learn) we need to define (at least characterize) what we are speaking about.
In the previous hypothesis every body knows so:
- the atheist has then the right to say “I know” that “this” does not exist,
- the agnostic becomes atheist,
- the believer…1. changes his mind, or 2. goes into denial
Of course to be complete we should also consider the case that we have demonstrated that “this” exists. In this case (we know that “this” exists); the believer can then say: I know that “this” exists; the agnostic can make his mind and the atheist change his mind.
In this last hypothesis not only the constraint to define the “this” still exists but is tremendously more demanding since we need to define exhaustively the “this” this time because everything must be true. (Btw we see that “a negative” is much easier to demonstrate, there is an English story pretending that demonstrating a negative is a fallacy, it is funny).
The third strange take is about the reason he gives for not believing in god. He highlights himself a lot of contradictions in the Old Testament (but, according to him, not believing in the Bible is no reason not to be Christian!!!???) and in the books of the New Testament, but this is not a reason for not believing (again!!!???). But cherry on the cake his “good” reason is because considering that “he cant accept the idea of a powerful and loving charge of this world given all the horrible suffering in it” and ”he just got to a point he does not believe that there is a god who is active in anyway at all in this world”.
So he does not accept the numerous contradictions as many evidences that there is no god but he considers as evidence the fact that a god should conform to the human moral (or to Bart moral as we prefer). If it proves something it is that this god is immoral and/or pervert, not that it does not exist.
Agnostic means you do not know if exists or have no knowledge of it existing
@@Soneelicious as nobody knows, the such defined word is useless, we have already a word which is humans. To give a relevant meaning to this word, we must consider that the agnostic doesn't speak about knowledge which again in this domain is the same for everybody but about his own analysis of what he believes that he knows and that is knowable, therefore he speaks about what he believes. Samething as for a gnostic. By opposition to an atheist that believes that there is no god (when using the relevant definition of the word not the "US" one).
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Interrsting reading, bur not agree about your wiew on ateist have that mindset. Perhaps some do I dont know. All I know is i lost fait at young age, because I dident find any proof and no respons if I tryed call Jesus ir god. So it just fade away it was not in bitter or hate i left a religion. I just dident think about it and time went on. But then some year back i was thinging diffrent things about big bag story and my konklusion was that big bang story was fake because of my way of logig kritisk thinging. And after some videos about a gye saong that the human body is so complez that only god could make us. No random konibsidens. Så my konklusion was ther must be a creator to that job. Ther is i now on yhe timeline. Its mutch harder with my belife system. I do try but fell nothimg. Perhaps because my bad experience in childhud. Perhaps because I have seen magic trix live performance do tthe same thing Jesus did, so I dont see that as miracal one thing I absolut dont understand is if god/jesus really love the people then he should know some way to contagt me kickstart my fait ect. That is what I think is fair to ask for.
@@f.t2482 I have a neighbor called Jesus, but it is probably not the same guy as yours.
Nero in fact was not even so bad as emperor,he didn't put Rome on fire for instance.
Nero was a rich douche just like the Jewish Rabbis and Christian Bishops, his inaction (and those previous to him) caused Rome to be littered with flammables and lots of tired/overworked and angry/afraid people to allow the fire to go.
History says otherwise, pal. The Bible doesn't even mention Nero - everything we know about him actually comes from the Romans themselves.
@@nathanmorgan3647 666 is a reference to Nero.
@@Chad-xs2de According to some, yes, but that is a theory and inconclusive.
Always great!
Hey, we've all said some problematic stuff we didn't mean when we were in a bad mood 🤷🏽♂️
And even done problematic things when we’re in a bad mood. God flooding the earth and slaughtering babies happens to the best of us
@@JRRTokeKing I mean if I had that kind of power, you all are looking at maybe a 25% chance of still being around next week. lmao
Also talks about the one who judges kidneys.
2000 years of “coming soon”
“The Rapture” - coming soon to a theater near you! Release date: ???
I think that this film has been in development hell for about two millennia now…
He's coming back soon I know it.....said he just went out for a pack of cigarettes!
Imagine what history will say of this period.
Thanks for all you do
Thank you very much for that superthanks
@@MythVisionPodcast The Age of Pisces has not end yet ..
Our Generation still the Adamic Generation..
Time is also Jesus Time ..
12 Tribes of Isaac ..
12 Princes of Ismael ..
12 Disciples of Jesus ..
Representing the Adamic Generation
On the Full Cosmic Cycle that is upon us on the 12 Ages Calendar ..
Jesus has never lied or failed ..
21 Century has been marked by all civilizations and prophets ...
For Every Era is a Scripture...
Who are the Children of Jezebel is the Question and not the Lies of theses Bart Guy ...
God is more than Precise and gave All authority and permission to Jesus to close the present Full Cosmic Cycle on Earth ...
Jesus is the Way, Truth and Life for these Generation, Time and Age and No one goes to the Father except by Him...
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Matthew 28:18-20
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Like the rest of the Bible, this is written on two levels for two different groups: those inside the church whose sense of self corresponds to the whole world, i.e., God (along with those who are desirous of and potentially open to it); and those who revel in their individuality and therefore will never be open to it. For the former, the wrath is that of a slain lamb, and the sword is that of truth, and therefore it's unconditional sacrificial love that is exalted and that does all the destroying; and the destroying is of individuality itself, which is done away within the larger sense of self that love creates. For the latter, because such talk is foolishness, and because the absence of a punishing god would free them to engage in even more self-seeking, and because they are such strong individuals that they can only imagine a god like themselves, they see what their egos fear and frankly need. The symbolism is plain enough. If you look at it and see encouragement to add to the truth of our mutual self-body by adding your own blood to the proof, the name of God is written on your forehead. If you only see a vindictive and punishing god, your own name is there. “…because they received not the truth that they might be saved…God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie…”
When we read Revelation-which is the unveiling of the veil that covers the true God, which veil is the god imagined as an all-powerful individual and known as the god of this world-we are looking into a mirror and find ourselves, whether we are OF God or a mere man.
When we read it with the veil “untaken away”, we receive the “strong delusion. When we read it with it taken away, we are encouraged to transform the world by “filling up” the sacrifice of Christ by adding our own to those final vials; and with the Spirit and the Bride say “Come.”
Thank u soo much . Spiritualiry or oneness with God our creator of the universe exist in all man kind bfr the bible. This is yo Namibian African sister viewing u from Barbados ❤❤❤❤❤
Listening to Bart jump up on his soapbox at the end always makes me think of a friend of mine. This friend (we don’t talk about faith any more and just remain friends over other things) believes that people like Bart are “warped liberal scholars who were never Christians and don’t actually understand the Bible at all.” Which makes me sad, because he misses out on so much of the rich literary history of the Bible. He’s definitely one of those fundamentalists, who believes that there is no Christianity without believing the Bible, rejecting Big Bang cosmology & evolutionary theory, etc. He’s a wonderful guy in so many ways, but on this, he believes what he believes and seems to be incapable of questioning it. Oh well. Maybe one day. 🤷♂️
The story of the scorpion and the five months (winter) that can harm man is all about hospitality and the sharing of resources.
Scorpio is the biblical Sodom where two angels (Jupiter and Hermes) were denied hospitality by the Sodomites who are "killed." Lot and his wife were the only survivors. The two daughters, like the wife of Lot, is the constellation Virgo.
We, 'fides et ratio' Christians, call such people Fideists. And as Bart correctly said, they are really modern.
Did you ever watched an apple roten 1/3 go back to be a good apple 100%?
Or the reality is that the rest of the 2/3 good apple turned into roteness.
Which one is it?
Do things evolve into something better with time?
Or new good things degenerate with time?
Did you ever see an old rusty car get new again without anyone touching it?
Please tell me how things evolv by themselves?
Show me examples in nature of your evolution reality.
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721 I strongly recommend you begin by taking some remedial classes in biology, genetics, embryology, anatomy & physiology, comparative anatomy, etc.
Your complete and utter ignorance of science is not evidence for a deity.
Brain fart oh boy let me cover my nose again🙄😷
28:23 There was no bible in Jesus era.
They had the old testament.
It's called the Torah.
I have 0 doubts that the Southern baptist convention are Fundamentalist right ?
Yahweh was adopted (from the broader Levantine polytheism). Let that sink in.
YHWH Yahweh was just YHW Yaw on the Mt Ebal curse tablet. Oldest Yahweh inscription ever found.
End of the Baal Cycle he was Baal-Yaw. At the start of the Baal Cycle he was Baal-Yam.
Baal is a title meaning Lord. Yam means Sea. Yam was called the Twisting Serpent.
Sea Beasts are Yam Beasts and were called Lotan (biblical Leviathan) and seven-headed Tannin (who gets one of his heads fatally wounded; see Rev 13: 1-3). Yam (Sea) was a tyrant who got kicked out of Heaven (off Heavenly Mt Saphon) by the good Lord Hadad.
Don't confuse Baal-Hadad, who was from Ugarit and Aleppo, with the Lords of Sidon (where Jezebel was a Princess) and Tyre in the Jezebel vs Elijah story in the Bible.
Both Jezebel, who was representing the Lord or Lords of Sidon and Tyre, and Elijah, who was representing Yahwism from Edom and Seir (see Baalam's prophecies), were awful for Israel 🇮🇱.
Bronze Age Israel 🇮🇱 > Iron Age Israel 🇮🇱.