Naw, Dooku knew Palpatine and Sidious were the same, Sidious revealed the truth to him early in their work together years prior to the Clone Wars. I do think Dooku fully intended to destroy and replace his master at some point, as is traditional in Sith society.
+crazysam871 Dooku knew well aware of who Palapatine really was. The problem with this movie is that it did an awful job explaining just about every detail related to .... well, anything. It was a jumbled movie with horrible dialogue and little overall direction. It wasn't until all of the Clone Wars expanded universe (comics, tv shows, etc.) that really flushed out all of the details - and within that expanded universe is where you really saw how Dooku fell, sided with Sidious, and their plans to overtake the Senate. The only downfall of Dooku was that he trusted Palpatine enough to conquer the Galaxy together ... but Palpatine fell in love with Anakin and his talent and hate and he planned on Anakin replacing Dooku early on, which of course happened. This is why Dooku was so surprised in Revenge of the Sith when Palpatine okay-ed Anakin to kill him outright.
The Jedi were blind because of Sidious. Not because of arrogance. In Episode 1, they found the first Sith Lord in 1000 years. Obi Wan tells Windu and they start watching the Senate. They grow suspicious of him granting Anakin certain favors but have to tread lightly because he is now the Chancellor with emergency powers . In Ep 3, Anakin tells Windu, he immediately brings 3 other Jedi Masters to arrest him
That's because Darth Sidious was WORKING with the Jedi as well. Palpatine's manipulations were charming enough to let his enemies trust and assist him. The Jedi wouldn't, at first, stand up to the leader of the Republic and the galaxy.
In a way the Jedi are like parents who view themselves as the best parents in the world and are devoid of mistakes and failing to see what's right in front of them. For Example; "What I told you your daughters boyfriend was cheating on her?" Parents: No that's impossible, WE would be aware of.
After rewatching the prequel clips, I too also feel that the Jedi were extremely arrogant, which allowed the Sith to creep up from beneath their noses. I think Dooku was actually the smart one. He realized the failure of the Jedi and ditched it.
impassable Well Count Dooku was a Sith Lord. And in accordance to the Rule of Two he eventually has to find an apprentice of his own and take the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith, by overthrowing Palpatine. After a while Obi Wan has to do the same if he joined him.
+SAADEM Barodo I watched it again recently. While we did not get nearly enough of his past or character, the moment when he says to Mace ''I'm sorry old friend'' I actually felt sympathy for him. That was the one time I felt this wasn't a black and white story of good vs evil. I felt the same thing about Vader in the originals. Through Dooku's awesome character, they recaptured that once or twice
That's a thing I always loved : Darth Sidious was lying to the whole galaxy and everybody trusted him. Darth Tyrannus said the truth about everything, and NOBODY took attention to his words.
Man, not only is Dooku genuinely telling the truth about how much he misses Qui-Gon here, he’s also being completely real with Obi-Wan that he holds him in high regard and wants to join forces, not just because of how powerful they’d be together, but because he believed everything Qui-Gon said about him. So sad how they’d be friends and brothers in arms had Qui-Gon not died.
@@aman3329 definitely haha. I always had a feeling Dooku was being somewhat genuine here but also a bit manipulative, but now I believe he was being completely honest with Obi-Wan that he wanted to join forces and take down Sidious. He dearly missed his apprentice and wanted Obi-Wan to fill that void.
makes you wonder if Darth Tyrannus / Count Dooku genuinely wanted Obi-Wan to join him in order to kill Darth Sidious/Palpatine. I believe he did. Of course, after that Dooku would have established a personal dictatorship/Empire with him in change as a Sith Lord. However, I think that he genuinely believed (like Anakin) that this is the only way to bring "Order" to a corrupt galactic republic. Actually many authoritarian minded people today think that way.
And you can take the context of that line that many ways. Dooku could be saying he really did want Qui-Gon by his side to help lead the Separatists but it also shows how by the end Dooku didn’t trust any other Jedi in the order who wasn’t his old apprentice. Now if Qui-Gon did join his former master is still up to debate. I don’t think he did because what separated Qui-Gon and Dooku was their beliefs. Dooku saw the republic as too broken to fix and believed he and he alone could bring the changes needed noble yes but the belief he had all the answers that all would flourish under his command was arrogant. Qui-Gon always believed in balance among all living things for ‘mutual benefit’ and never saw himself above anyone not even ‘pathetic life forms’ or slaves that were ‘too old’ like Anakin.
"I wish he were... still alive I could use his help right now" That subtle bit of emotion and sadness, he truly meant that and respected his padawan's wisdom
@@bern1223 That too. However Qui-Gon was one of the several reasons why Dooku left. After he was killed by Maul, the council still tried to cover up the sith and said that qui gon died for a different reason (I forget what).
Obi-Wan Kenobi you’re right, I wasn’t there, I don’t know the whole situation and I shouldn’t victim blame. I deeply apologize for trying to play devils advocate for a situation that I only see from the outside, I don’t know what’s really happening when the cameras aren’t rolling. Once again I sincerely apologize for my severe and continuous lapse in judgement. It’s not my place and I should stay out of it until I know the both sides of the story.
That’s the thing though. He didn’t. He said that the senate was under the control of a Sith Lord. He didn’t say Palpatine was the Sith Lord. That is significant because this shows that he was still loyal to Sidious and his plans, to a certain extent of course.
@@jumpcutfilms1958 yeah of course because he's old enough to understand that Palpatine is manipulating him but at the same time he's enslaved by the dark side so hes trying to win Kenobi trust but without revealing all the cards on the table. He said the Truth but not all of It (maybe because he fears Palpatine).
Considering he was a pragmatic swordsman with some philosophical basis, yes, it's kind of unfortunate he wasn't explored more deeply. So much was just implied and not expanded.
In the grand scheme of things Episode 1 is skippable. Trilogy could start from Attack of the Clones, Phantom Menace is a supplemental material to fill some gaps or throw some backstory for main characters (like meeting Obi-Wan's master, how Anakin's childhood looked like, that Palpatine hails from Naboo), it's for curiosity sake and not mandatory. However that kickass final battle with Darth Maul is a must watch.
Yea. He sort of comes off as more of a disillusioned Jedi rather than a Sith Lord. If anything, I feel like part of him was still holding onto the Light here in this scene.
@@markrodriguez7566 he was explored a bit more in Clone Wars but even then I think that really deviates from what was shown in the film's. The TV show made him just a one dimensional villain. All the more reason for that Jedi lost audio book that's coming out
@@duffman18 Looking for his head, or looking for rest of his body? Both vaporized when half of the ship blew up, but it's not like vaporization stopped Palpatine. More difficult would be finding a worthy replacement for Lee. Obviously Corey Burton does excellent job voicing him, but you also need somebody to look the part as well. I guess they could do more CGI shenanigans like with Luke or refresh/modify voice of James Earl Jones for Vader, but I don't know. What's the point of having a live actor, when you can just make anything artificially.
Ya know, in this scene Count Dooku doesn't really seem like a villain. He seems like a pretty reasonable dude. Of all the Siths it seems like he would have been the easiest to turn back to the light.
+awesomecdiperson He was both. He was a very powerful Jedi and incredibly wise. Unfortunately, this made him view the others around him as as unintelligent or lacking insight like he had. Thus, they did not seek to get rid of corruption or the wrongs in the galaxy. In this way, he becomes disillusioned and leaves the Order to try to change things his way. He finds that the Dark Side could offer him the power he needed to fix things. It's like Lord of the Rings where people think they can use the Ring to stop Sauron/the Orcs/be a great ruler/etc. In the end, he becomes corrupted but never loses sight of his goal. Imo, we see Mace Windu hint at this direction as well. Powerful, strong leader, confident, smart. He channels his dark side into his skill so as not to become a part of it. Perhaps if Anakin did not exist, I imagine Palpatine would try to control him instead. I mean, damn, the prequels had some great ideas. Just poor execution.
Turn back to the light? Notice how Dooku never had the evil fiery eyes of the other SIth like Dark Anakin, Darth Maul, and Sidious. He's more like Darth Traya: a grey Jedi playing both sides for his own ends.
@@xLeeroycranex Idk about Palpatine successfully turning Mace, as you see Mace rocks the purple lightsaber, which usually represents the dark jedi's turning sides, I would imagine Mace being very stubborn, he didn't even consider about killing Sidious, it is not the jedi way, mr. team killer skydick said, now mr. skydick was a liability and Mace was against him all along and thats for a good reason, Sidious had everything staged and Mace Windu was always skeptic about him, this was not his way. He was right all along.
This is for me, one of the most fascinating things about Star Wars. I don't know if other franchises do the same. But, with Star Wars, they go deeper and add new elements to the events that have already happened, and give them a new twist and a different perspective.
Obi Wan: Tyrannus? YOU'RE the man called Tyrannus? Count Dooku: I told you everything you needed to know on Geonosis. All those years ago, Kenobi. You should've joined me. Sifo-dyas understood. He saw the future. That is why he helped me.
Indiana I know I see the episode but im curious to know what brings you here rather then this is simply something dooku referenced to on the pykes planet?Or is that it?
Except Kylo isn't Sith - but Dark Side users definitely have that trait. Honestly, if I was Obi-Wan I would have joined Dooku. He doesn't seem inherently evil and the Separatist movement was actually a noble plan had it not been orchastrated by Sidious.
Suspicious Windmills no dooku here was playing the role of a noble revolutionary to lure and deceive kenobi into joining the dark side. Dooku I’m sure was going to use kenobi to further the dark side and try to kill Sidious to be the master then take over the republic. Dooku was merely showing his false moniker to kenobi not his true face
I like how the scene is set in a room that has dark and light spots, and at times you notice Dooku stopping under a light and seems to speak more truthfully as if he is speaking from the light side of the force.
Something similar happens in the Revenge of the Sith scene when Anakin is talking to Yoda about his visions: the light in the room casts light and dark stripes over his face, symbolizing that he is conflicted between the Jedi and Sith
"Tyranus? You are the man called Tyranus?" "I told you everything you needed to know on Geonosis all those years ago, Kenobi. You should have joined me. Sifo-Dyas understood. He saw the future, which was why he helped me."
He comes off as arrogant and short-sighted here. He didn't even give Count Dooku a debate or a rebuttal. Simply stating "Nope, not siding with you" each time Count Dooku presented his viewpoint doesn't strike me as something you should say to a once great Jedi Master such as Dooku.
HiddenWen Obi-wan knew that Dooku was trying to coax him to the dark side of the Force. He believed in the Republic, and suddenly being told something so outlandish, regardless of it being the truth, he was not going to let Dooku even twist his mind a little bit. Anakin being a good example of what happens when you let someone get inside your head. It might have been arrogant, but from his point of view at the time, a good choice. Older Obi-wan, as the Obi-wan later on in the clone wars / ROTS, would have probably discussed it further, but that was a much older and wiser man.
look at how Lee reacts when Obi Wan tells him "i'll never join you" thats a look of resignation and regret, showing that all of what he said was actually genuine and this was his last chance to try do things from the light side. Upon learning that his last chance has failed you can see he has decided to go full tilt.
Thats exactly how I always saw it too. Its kinda a shame expanded universe stuff tends to just treat count dooku as completely cold-blooded, ruthless, and completely sith, even though it doesnt really match his portrayal here in the movies.
@@SGK1206 well, arguably. we dont see a ton of them in revenge of the sith. Its impossible to tell what he might be really thinking behind his carefully composed visage.
Dooku was never trying to do things from the light side. He's already fully a Sith Lord in this scene, and has been for a decade. He's trying to manipulate Obi-Wan. It was the plan all along to reveal Sidious's existence to the Jedi, as well as his influence over the Senate. It was bait to build mistrust between the Jedi and the Senate, which ultimately allows Palpatine to convince the Senate that the Jedi are traitors.
@@-Retired- one of those starwars lore youtubers is where i got the info from. Dont remember which channel, but it was video that was all about count dooku.
@@ArtofLunatik different aliens=species not race.... With that logic all humans are racist towards certain animals like insects.I personally despise roaches. Didn't know I was racist. Buddy I'm pretty sure that source doesn't know what racism means... Hmph
Dooku is more like in the middle - he knows the Jedi are arrogant scum, but also is aware of the Dark Side problems. That's whe Dooku probably has no Sith eyes - hes just pragmatic.
@@NRGgamer he isn't grey Jedi, he has control over his anger which is something few sith can do, hence why he can hide his sith eyes, similar to Sidious
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 I don't think so. Unlike other Sith, Dooku joined the Sith only because he was disillusioned and wanted change. Unlike Darth Sidious, he had not immersed himself in the dark side.
@@aswinastro change to what though? i wouldn't trust anyone who literally takes on the name of a sith lord, i'd have no doubt that Darth Tyranus would have something to gain from telling Kenobi this stuff, plus as far as i see he was still Sidious's apprentice to the end so, there's clear dark side notion also it is a fact that he can control his sith eyes, i recommend watching Stupendous Wave's video on it, pretty interesting
*Dooku:* A Sith Lord runs the Senate *Kenobi:* That’s not possible... Palpatine Runs the senate *Dooku:* Yes by being elected Sidious is now in control of the Senate playing both sides. *Kenobi:* That’s where you’re mistaken Dooku because Palpatine was elected Chancellor. *Dooku:* Look man I’m trying to throw you a bone here.
I mean look at it this way: every word matters (yes I’m serious lol) He said the Republic / a buncha senators were under the control of Darth Sidious. For all the Jedi knew Darth Sidious could’ve been an outside party. Also (I’m stretching this part a bit but...) he said 100s of Senators, not all. That could mean a bunch of things. (Think of it as if the audience doesn’t know, and got no hints.)
I always wondered about Dooku. He seemed like he was very much playing both sides. Someone below mentioned that he didn't know who Palpatine was. Yes, he did. He was his apprentice lol. If anyone in this movie was playing a balancing role in the force, it was Dooku.
He literally did here, but my guess is that judging by all the other episodes of THE CLONE WARS, the jedi where not really a smart faction at that time. Really dogmatic and blind in the faith. It is as if they where not the wise jedi they once where. Dooku prolly was, eeeeh, fuck it, fuck em all.. Also gimme these dark cookies!
That's why I like Dooku's personality the best out of all the characters, maybe even out of all (currently 7) movies. Besides the Clone Wars cartoon events, Dooku really saw how flawed the jedi were, and didn't seem to care for the sith ways either, since he's never had the eyes of a corrupted force-user.
Dooku still considered himself a Jedi but he saw how weakened and blinded by the old way and the politician' submission the Order was. He sided with the Sith only to destroy them and to destroy the corrupt Republic. He was more an anti-hero than a villain. He was bad.. for the greater good.
I like that Dooku isn't relegated to just being Palpatine's evil apprentice. The scene here paints him as an idealist, disillusioned with the Sith & Jedi. Everything he revealed to Obi-wan here is true. If Obi-wan had believed him, they may have been able to thwart Palpatine's ascension. Or Dooku may have been telling Obi-wan all this to manipulate him later. Overall a good scene that raises some questions about the motives of the main villain. And then Dooku says like 5-lines and dies at the beginning of Episode III. It feels like a lot of untapped potential.
I wish more people saw it like this. But it's too late now for him to have been the overarching antagonist for the prequels instead of Maul/Grievous (as cool as they were)
Sidious's plans for Maul were simply as a warrior, maybe an enforcer. Maul may have succeeded Sidious as Sith Master but he couldn't have ran an empire for long. That's not what he was trained for. Dooku had to put together and lead an actual government.
@@золотой-ъ9м it sums up alot of the prequels it had great potential and although it did have great bits and did characters justice like Obi wan, there was alot of untapped potential that they laid out and never did anything with
You don’t notice when you’re a kid but the way George Lucas wrote the story and the way the corruption sets in is so smart and well written really. The traitor is amongst the Jedi right before their eyes and they are to arrogant to think anything
I love the fact that dooku wants obi wan to join him and not anakin, cuz he knows that anakin can be powerfull, but he is disorded a wreckless, while obi wan is powerfull and decided. I just love the fact that dooku could realize that.
True, because Qui-Gon was his apprentice and he was Obi-Wan's master, whereas Anakin only momentarily knew Qui-Gon, not enough to learn a great deal from him.
wrong he wanted Obi wan because knew that where ever Obi wan went Anakin would follow and if obi wan joined the dark side then It would be easy to persade Anakin too as obi wan would help him and palpatine to turn anakin.
Count Dooku understood that the only way to destroy the Sith was to join them and wipe them out from within. That's why this scene is so great. He knew enough about the corruption in politics and the foolishness of the Jedi. This is why he wouldn't release Obi Wan.
You see this confirms what I always suspected about Dooku. I always got the vibe that Dooku wasn't a true Sith. He possessed none of the raw hatred or anger of Darth Vader but he possessed none of the sheer sadistic glee of Darth Sidious. He was so calm, composed, in full control of his emotions. And I mean, with respect to the Clone Wars, he seems to put a genuine effort in trying to destroy the Republic, undertaking campaigns that very easily could have destroyed the Republic had they been successful. It really strikes me that Dooku wasn't a Jedi or Sith, he was a renegade who abandoned the corruption of the Jedi Order to deal with the Sith on his own. It's a shame neither the Prequels nor TCW explore Dooku better in this regard.
Reading the comments below; Dooku was playing Sidious. Dooku was more of a dark Jedi rather than a full blown Sith. He was against the corruption of the Senate, it's his main reason for leaving the order. He told Obi Wan everything in this scene. Dooku was right about Qui Gon, Qui Gon already disagreed with the Order like his Master Dooku. If Qui Gon was still around at this point he'd join Dooku. Both Jedi were men of principle. You can tell Dooku was very fond of his apprentice Qui Gon, do you really think he'd be friendly with Sidious knowing that he gave Maul the go ahead to kill his old apprentice? The way he speaks of him in this scene displays how missed he is by Dooku. Dooku & Qui Gon were both ahead of the game & smarter than the members in the Jedi council. Qui Gon also made contact with Yoda from the other side, from beyond death proving what a knowledgable Jedi he was in the Force. Basically Dooku was the leader of the first rebellion, he knew Sidious was going to transform the Republic in to an Empire. The Trade Federation was well aware of what a ass Sidious is; due to previous dealings up until Episode 1 when he screwed the Viceroid over for his own gain in the Senate after directing them to invade Naboo. This is the hidden irony of the prequels that most 'hardcore' Star Wars fans don't get. We're cheering on the destruction of the good guys - the CIS who are actually the first fully fledged rebellion. The rebellion in Ep 4-6 is actually the 2nd fully fledged rebellion. We don't think of the CIS as a rebellion because Sidious is a 'Chancellor' (with unlimited power) in a Galactic 'Republic'. All he did at the end of Episode 3 was change clothes and titles of himself, the republic & painted those Venator Star Destroyers grey. His political powers went unchanged since Episode 2. My only problem with the Clone Wars animated series is it shows Dooku as constantly frowning and thereby burns an image of an 'evil' character in to the mindset of the audience, which is actually far from what he is.
Just had to come back here after Tales Of The Jedi. Despite knowing why Dooku did the things he did already, it felt like a fresh new wound was opened actually getting to see glimpses of his downfall. He truly didn't want it to come to this.
Dooku truly wanted to end all the corruption around him. Him pretending to align with Sidious forced him to do bad things he never wanted to do to keep up appearances.
@@dereklopez9060 In theory, but ultimately, even his "better" plan didnt work! Dooku ends up dead, Jedi die too, and Palpatine takes over anyway. The only thing he got that he wanted was the corruption of the Senate ending (with the fact they no longer exist either) How different would have things gone if it was Dooku and Qui-Gon VS Maul? It's interesting.
@@dain6492Thats just your opinion as tales of the jedi is in fact canon. I personally can't stand so called 'purists' for any kind of media. There are Star Wars 'purists' who think only the original trilogy is canon and that everything else, even the prequels and the EU with the Yuuzong Vong and Abeloth are not real Star Wars.
Was he telling the truth? he's a literal servant servant of the sith lord, but makes it sound as if he's against him. Odds are they wrote this scene without the writers themselves knowing what was going on and just forgot about it when writing episode 3.
Vader: Join me! Together we can rule the galaxy! Fans: Count Dooku: Join me Obi Wan!! Fans: Kylo Ren: Rey, I want you to join me. Fans: iT's A cOpY oF eMpiRE!!
Christopher Lee is an amazing actor and the emotion in that line about Qui-Gon transcends even more so to the audience now that Tales of the Jedi is out
You need to rewatch the atrocities he commits... His whole shtick is pretending to be a good guy and you're somehow falling for it even though the movies and shows tell you quite clearly how evil he is.
@@IcyPhilosopher The "new" medias completely flipped his character. Dooku wasn't evil. He just didn't agree with the Jedi council and saw the corruption and saw Sidious' plans as a way of fixing the corruption. Alas, he was wrong and was used.
@@DarkLordofTheSith_DarthVader Yeah I've seen them. Starting down the dark side often is done with good intentions. By the time we see him in episode 2 and 3 he is completely fallen. All media shows this including Clone Wars. His reason for falling is irrelevant and the idea of trying the darkside for a good reason only to have it corrupt you is not new. He is evil by that point.
No, I feel Ben is trash or Rey. The real ones I remember are Ben Skywalker, Anakin Solo, Jacen Solo and Jaina Solo. Not those Disney trash. Otherwise I'm with you about this grandpa-grandson relationship between Dooku and Kenobi.
Years after watching this, it’s crazy to see that just because Dooku turned to the Dark Side, his intentions were still to get rid of Palpatine, and bring order to the republic. He straight up tells Obi-Wan Palpatines plans and gives the entire Jedi a way to end the corruption, but because he’s fallen to the Dark Side, the Jedi dismiss him. Just think of the possibilities if Obi-Wan had just listened.
I'm super lost on the stories as I only watched the movies and read a few books before the Disney acquisition. What tv series or book tells of Dooku's intentions?
Obi-Wan made the right choice. Dooku is evil at this point. Some decent intentions in ridding Sidious but Dooku is POWER HUNGRY right now and first thing he would have done after killing Sidious is try to gain control of the senate and galaxy with the Clone Army AND Droid army. Just think about it.
0:58-1:10 I believe Count Dookus words here. He may have fallen to the dark side but he still cared for his apprentice Qui Gonn. Obi wan was like a son to Qui Gonn as was he to Count Dooku. It is very rare for a sith lord to care for his apprentice even on seperate sides no less. Truly an underrated character Dooku is. Christopher played his role well.
Thats exactly my thoughts, Qui Gon's death was the final straw that drew Dooku to the dark side, you can see the pain in his face before he said he wished he was still alive
@@ArchangelRG09 It seems to me like he was hoping that obi-wan would prove him wrong about the jedi, join him, and together defeat the sith just like he says. That he's internally just "begging" obi-wan to show him that the light side can win and that they can work together to reform the republic. But obi-wan not believing him, and flat-out denying the corruption in the republic, is the final straw that makes him give up on the light side and the jedi and side with the sith.
Yup and I think in the end dooku 's motivation are rather clear : avenging his disciple . -By destroying sidious ( since anyway the apprentice of the dark lord will destroy him once trained enough ) -By destroying the republic with the separatist ( who he see as responsible for the decadence of the jedi) -By destroying the Jedi council ( that he see as responsible for Qui gon's death )
"I wish he...were....still alive. I could use his help right now." You can tell how much it pained Dooku to relieve the reason why he left the Jedi Order after his last Padawan was killed and there was no investigation. "Qui Gon Jinn would never join you!" That really stung Obi-Wan. I know it's still fresh for you but you aren't the only one who loved that man like he was family, you may have lost an adoptive father but Dooku lost his adoptive son. I mean where do you think Qui Gon got his protective streak from?
Nope, Dooku is merely manipulating Obi-Wan. He's using Qui-Gon to create a bond with Obi-Wan, to gain his trust. There's no reason to think he's actually pained here.
@@ovidiudiumea4012 Qui-gon's death is supposedly one of the reasons behind his departure from the Jedi Order. His association with Darth Sidious came only later.
@@SamvedIyer This doesn't really add up plot wise. Master Sifo-Dyas died over 10 years before the events of Ep2, and Dooku ordered the creation of the clone army right after that, under the moniker of "Tyranus". Which means Dooku had already gone rogue by the time of episode 1 (which was 10 years prior, coinciding with the creation of the clone army). So while Dooku may still have been a part of the Jedi Order when Qui-Gon died, he was definitely undermining it from within at this point. We also know he was the one who erased Kamino from the Jedi archives, which indicates he did remain in the Jedi Order for some time after he fell to the dark side. Point being, I don't think Qui-Gon's death had any impact on Dooku's feelings towards the Jedi, as he was already covertly acting against them.
@@patinho5589 Except we know that Dooku lied, schemed, and ordered Amidala assassinated, the trio of Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme killed in a public execution, and generally has no remorse for killing any Jedi, including Obi-Wan later in the same movie (only Anakin's desperate lunge saved Obi-Wan from Dooku's killing stroke).
@@ronaldcheng1857 oh i would certainly say Dooku was evil at this point, but all evil characters are not on the same page with each other, or even on the same side. Dooku probably despised Sidious as much as everyone else and showed here and in CW that he was fully willing to get rid of him if the opportunity arose, yet was pragmatic enough to know the way forward was through Sidious. However Dooku is fulling willing to step on anyone else in his way as well.
@G E T R E K T 905 he was lying about wanting obi-wan to join him for sure. he knew that Obi wan was out there on behalf of the council. he knew about jango fett (he lied that he didn't know him), so Obi wan had absolutely no reason to trust him. as yoda once said "lies and deceit are the ways of the sith" , so although what he said about sidious and the senate was true, Dooku tried to paint himself as a good guy to throw obi wan off. dooku was not stupid, just manipulative like any sith lord. if he could somehow convince Obi Wan to join him on the spot, then the search for Jango, and reporting back aobut the droid foundry would have gone nowhere. Dooku was an actual Sith, him and sidious were the best siths in putting on the political Facade. the other siths were more violent and barbaric.
@G E T R E K T 905 i agree with you 100% on this, sadly i feel like the clone wars series just disregarded such a potential storyline for dooku, and made him your generic badguy because he can
@G E T R E K T 905 he helds the name Darth so hes technically a sith even tough not an extremist sith. Also in legends there were sith that were genuine good and not killer or power thirsty
Between this, what was in legends and what is now canon in Tales of the Jedi: "I wish he were... still alive. I could use his help right now" This quote doesn't read like "I wish Qui-Gon would stand with me." it reads more like "I wish I had never done it, Qui-Gon kept me balanced." Obi-Wan immediately turning to say "Qui-Gon would never join you." with spite and anger resulted in a pause from Dooku. He wasn't ready for Obi-Wan's cold and unfeeling response. What he said next sounds like a panicked generic statement. And Dooku's facial expression from his prior admission seems genuine. Dooku was ready to open up and tell Obi-Wan everything, as he then attempted to. But Obi-Wan and the Council were far too distrusting of Dooku to believe it. Dooku was many things, including deceptive. But he didn't flat out lie. Christopher Lee was a talented Actor.
obi-wan seemed to interpret the word "help" as "help to destroy the republic" or "help to destroy the jedi", but i believe dooku really meant "help figuring out what i should do"
@@rootfish2671 Yeah Dooku had already turned to the dark side 10 years before this scene (as that's when he killed the other Jedi and used that Jedi's name to order the clone army, under orders from Sidious to do so). Though he always did still seem to think that he'd be able to get rid of Sidious if it came to it, and he planned to eventually do that once he'd used up every bit of usefulness that he could have got out of Sidious, but he was always quite arrogant, and so he never believed that Sidious was also planning to do the same to him all along, and to replace him with Anakin.
It’s very interesting development but I wouldn’t be too lenient on Dooku. He made his choices and he is for the most part responsible. The Jedi’s arrogance only speed the inevitable. Lastly, he was already committed to achieving his end goals at this point. So I don’t think there was any hope for any redemption despite lamenting the fact that he sacrificed his own morals to do it. (Kinda like Thanos)
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 This. Dooku's actions directly resulted in countless deaths & suffering and he knew this. Even though he saw the corruption of The Jedi & The Senate he could have left The Jedi Order instead of contributing to a massive intergalactic war.
The way I see it the original trilogy is way simpler and more for children and family. The prequels are more significant and metaphorical, the plot is more intriguing and there is more than meets the eye.
@@pikppa The Prequel Era is by far the most interesting of the Star Wars Mythology and also the Post-Galactic Civil War era (the legends era not Disney sequel trilogy)
@@kareem2457 if qui gon hadn't died it would have made more sense, dooku is right, qui gon knew about the corruption, hence why he was going to train anakin regardless, also the jedi showed their corruption when they began spying on Palpatine and when windu attempted to assassinate him. You see it from the jedis point of view, but the jedi illegally plotted to both spy and assassinate the leader in power, the jedi were equally corrupt and order 66 had to be done to protect the leader of the republic. The jedi wanted the same thing that Palpatine wanted, which was power and control, when the jedi saw their power and control slipping away they went against the law to do what they had to do to stay In power.
Despite all the terrible things he did as a Sith Lord, I find Tyranus to be the most pitiable and simultaneously most interesting of Sidious's apprentices
+CyborgSword I agree, though I think Vader also qualifies. Considering Dooku's past as a Jedi all the way up to the event when he learned of Qui-Gon Jinn's death, he came off as more of a disillusioned Jedi rather than a Sith Lord. There was also the fact that when he cut off Anakin's arm in the duel that followed, that he had a look of shock on his face. Dooku seemed genuinely mystified at what he did.
To me it always felt like he was genuinly trying to team up with Obi-wan here. Like Windu said, he was a political idealist, not a murderer (most of the time). He seems like he would have overthrown Sidious if given the chance and ruled the Galaxy rather peacefully without destroying the Jedi.
If you think about it, every previous apprantice of Sidious have something in common with Darth Vader. Darth Maul remind us of Darth Vader from ANH, the merciless badass right-hand who destroys everything in the path of his master. Dooku and Vader have a lot in common: both were powerful Jedi Masters praised for their skills and abilities who lost faith in the Order because they saw how much corruption there was from within (and the Republic as well). So they joined Darth Sidious in order to achiave the power to save what they both loved: for Anakin it was Padme, for Dooku it was restoring peace and justice to the galaxy and end the corruption of the Republic/Order. But both of them craved the power for their purpose only. Dooku wanted to get rid of Sidious as soon as his plans completed and Anakin stated explicity to both Padme and Luke that he wanted to kill the Emperor. While technically not an apprantice of Sidious, Grievous is also a reminder of Vader for he's a foreshadowing of what Anakin will become: more machine than man.
@@thebandit0256 Dooku's lightsaber when he became a Jedi Master in Legends is blue. Refer to his involvement in the Battle of Galidraan if you are curious. However, also in the Star Wars Expanded Universe/Legends, he does have a green lightsaber in the standard style when he was a Padawan and Knight. That is before he created his famous curved-hilt saber. This might as well apply to Canon to an extent.
I think Dooku's role was pretty clear. His job was to drum up conflict and build up the Confederacy, forcing the Republic to scale up as well. It created a win-win scenario for Palpatine and deflected any suspicion of a mastermind Sith Lord onto Dooku. It's very possible Dooku saw through the facade of Palpatine and legitimately tried to enlist Obi-Wan to defeat him in order to perhaps create a political victory for the Confederacy, rather than a military one.
+Gordon Tubbs Dooku is Palpatine's apprentice so he knows exactly what is going on...but remember, the Sith look to betray each other and take over - Vader himself wanted to overthrow Palpatine. Palpatine plotted to betray his own apprentices first, however, before they had a chance.
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This scene is so important. The line about the Republic being in control by the dark lord of the sith. Made even better because the originals were already released. If they weren't made, i feel this would be one we'd look back on.
+Busher50 Not really, Attack of the Clones is pretty well agreed to be the worst of the prequels, because it was just a crappy, boring love story. This is one of the only good scenes in the entire film, and even then it doesn't make sense, because here we get a bit of an explanation, but that's all we get for Dooku's complex motivations.
I feel like Dooku truly believes in the cause and the existence of Separatist, in episode 3 of this series he understands the people of the planet which in The Bad Batch and Clone wars we learned that Raxus was once a part of separatist alliance
I find Obi-Wan's response in this so strange. ''I would never join you Dooku.'' Even if that's how he feels, shouldn't he at least pretend to be somewhat interested to see where Dooku is coming from in claiming that a Sith Lord is in control of the Republic? Since he's a captive and he has Dooku talking, he might as well use it as an opportunity to explore/understand a different point of view (even if it is contrary to his vows).
Also, considering the Clone Army was built by a ghost and the template is Jango, who works for Dooku, the fact that Obi Wan never investigated the origins of the Clone Army is ridiculous.
+winterland I suppose he could have except he must have let his emotions cloud his judgement. He must have been pretty pissed that his master's fore-master has become an evil traitor.
***** Well Dooku met and talked to Jango, face to face. Also, Sifo-Dyas was dead for a decade, long before the conflict even began. Why would a Jedi without permission order an army for the Republic? Who would foot the bill?
How did we all think Dooku was a villain? This scene makes it seem like he knew the evil that was coming, and tried to oppose it. Qui Gon, Dooku and Sifo Dyas. They all foresaw the Empire, and tried to stop the sith, but were stopped by the Jedi. Idiots
Let´s not get ahead ourselve. Dooku was working with Palpatine and was important to his plan. If he was really trying to stop Sidious he would either never join him or start disobey his orders. Instead he went all along with everthying.
@@cameronhodgetts920 But Vader did not have choice like Dooku did. Literally only reason why Sidious had influence of separatis was Dooku. If Dooku rebelled during Clone Wars Palpatine would have lost control of the war. Meanwhile Vader would have to be against entire galaxy.
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 Dooku still would've been terrified to rebel. We saw what Palpatine did to the "traitor" Maul. He likely saw working with Sidious as a means to an end to stop the tyranny of the Republic, but ended up trapped by him
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Also, notice how Dooku is walking around the room freely in a clockwise direction whereas Obi-Wan is pinned in the center rotating counterclockwise. It's like the Jedi were not who they used to be and made several unwise decisions leading to their downfall, so their time is coming to an end. Conversely, the Sith have been waiting patiently for almost 1000 years since Darth Bane to take control over the galaxy, it is only a matter of time.
I believe that Dooku never really joined the dark side. I believe he learned that palpatine was the sith lord who was also the one corrupting the senate. After learning this, I believe Dooku joined sidious in hopes to find a weakness in him or become as power as he was in order to overthrow him. That's why I believe he told everything to Obi Wan and I believe genuinely tried to enlist Obi Wan.
No, he was definitely a Sith. He’d lost faith in the republic and the Jedi, before turning but it was Qui Gon’s death that sent him over the edge and made it possible for Sidious to convert him. Although he was never meant to be Palpatine’s heir, he was always a placeholder for Anakin.
"I believe Dooku joined sidious in hopes to find a weakness in him or become as power as he was in order to overthrow him." Yes, it was 100% this, but you know what the sick part is? Sidious knew that and was prepared. That one weakness, that one chance to overthrow him? It never came. Dooku never even got CLOSE. All he did was help Sidious get to power, and then he was dead.
So here's a conspiracy theory. Everything Dooku has said here, EVERYTHING is true and is something he sincerely means. Viceroy Gunray really did go to Dooku for help, and Dooku really did want to team up with Obi Wan to destroy the Sith. In fact, the only reason he teamed up with Sidious was to get close enough to him, to learn from him, and to use Sidious's own powers against him to destroy him. To turn the Rule of Two against Sidious. Furthermore, here's a further suggestion... that Dooku was the one who proposed the Clone Wars, where Sidious saw it as a means of cementing his power and starting the Republic on the path to becoming a Galactic Empire, Dooku saw it as a means of raising a powerful military force, with which he could wage war on Sidious, and rid the Republic of his influence. Where Sidious implanted Order 66 in the Clones, Dooku secretly implanted Order 65, with the hope that repeated defeats at the hands of the Separatists would force the Republic to lose faith in Palpatine, and thus use Order 65 to have the clones turn on him. Thus, Dooku and Palpatine were playing three layers of chess here. Publicly, they were enemies on opposite sides of the war, fighting for domination in the Galaxy, privately they were allies collaborating to weaken the Jedi and the Republic and institute the Empire, but even deeper than that, they both were indeed enemies, fighting for real, though neither would admit it to the other for fear of what the other would do to them. When Dooku implemented ruthless Separatist attacks on peaceful planets, when his Separatist armies committed war crimes in the name of the Separatist alliance, when they started trading in slaves, they didn't do it because Dooku was evil or because Sidious demanded it, they did it because Dooku wanted to weaken the Republic's faith in Palpatine's leadership, they did it because Dooku wanted to demonstrate just how powerless Palpatine was to defend the Republic's allies, and those the Republic claimed to protect. What he did not anticipate perhaps was Palpatine's ability to use such events to rally support for him and to solidify the Republic's resolve to fight the Separatists. Take this one step further. When Dooku and the Separatist fleets invaded Couruscant to kidnap the Chancellor, where Palpatine may have demanded such an operation for his own aims, Dooku went along with that operation because he felt that his initial plan of eroding the Republic's faith in Palpatine was not working, he felt that the Jedi were simply not smart enough to pick up on his fairly obvious hints and to turn on Palpatine, so he decided to take matters in his own hands. He probably intended to kidnap Palpatine, take him somewhere in Separatist space, and execute him. Hell, he probably hopes that after dealing with Anakin and Obi Wan, he'd turn on Palpatine then and there and kill him while he was strapped to that chair.
Dooku, Sifo, Qui gon and Obi Wan as a team against the corruption of the Sith and the arrogance of the Jedi would've been an incredible alternate direction of the story.
At first thought, Dooku was your typical villain but all these episodes and years later, you realise there was good in him. This viewpoint changes everything you hear coming out of his mouth in this scene. How important is a viewpoint!
When Dooku says that he could use Qui-Gon's help, and tries recruiting Kenobi, one has to wonder if he secretly wanted no part of The Sith and Sidious, and he truly wished to clean up the Republic, and with Kenobi or Jinn's aid he just may have defeated Sidious.
i wondered that too, but i think its more likely that dooku, who is not intended to be the true sith apprentice, was either told or manipulated into trying to get mnore jedi to defect to widen the schism and increase the destruction and length of the war, anyways, it doesnt really matter if he recruited obiwan or not cus sidious can f*** em up anytime he wants haha i doubt dooku and obi wan or dooku and quigon stand any real chance of defeating him, sidious is just way too powerful
Mitchell Quondam I think that line was fantastic and probably the only time Dooku got any development. His relationship with Qui gon Jinn sounds far more interesting than listening to stupid unreal love lines from Anakin and Padme. It's a moment of sympathy and regret which I think Obi wan misunderstood as him wanting Qui Gon to join him on the dark path. It's like Dooku's fall had something to do with Jinn's death and this is a moment were Dooku regrets becoming a Sith and wonders if his apprentice could have helped him had he survived.
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Man Christopher Lee can act! RIP Sir Christopher Lee 🙏 Tales of the Jedi just made you feel much more for Dooku right here, where he honestly tells him that Qui Gon always spoke highly of Obi-Wan to Dooku, and how he felt of him missing him. Cmon Obi-Wan.. listen to him!!
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This hits ultra hard after seeing Dooku in Tales of The Jedi. You can tell he was heartbroken when he told Obi-Wan the whole truth and the Jedi still ignored his plea. No wonder he fell to the dark side the way he did. Dooku has always been one of my fav "What-If" characters. I'm glad we're starting to see some of his origins.
Dooku really is the the smart guy, understands the inevitable plans of the emperor, didn’t leave the Jedi in the dark about what was going to happen, and let them (obi wan) decide what they want to do with the information.
One of my favorite scenes in all six movies. It's so hard to tell if/when Dooku is being genuine and when he's simply being deceitful and fishing for information. Great acting. Anytime there are two Star Wars characters discussing deep matters for a few minutes, you can bet I'm on board.
Same man. God damn I wish Dooku had been more greatly explored in the prequel movies, along with his seeming confliction between Jedi and Sith teachings and their practices, despite being committed to the latter by the time of the movies. I like to think he truly did intend on overthrowing Sidious somewhere down the line and was genuinely asking Obi-Wan for help. Perhaps it's down to Christopher Lee's out of this world likeability but there's a conviction to Dooku and a noticeable ambiguity that really makes you wish we were given more. In the movies at least. And that's before you get to how masterfully proficient he was as both a force user and, even more so as a swordsman. It just adds to how captivating he is as a character.
When I first saw this scene as a kid, I thought Dooku was just lying and trying to get Obi-Wan to turn to the dark side, only as an adult did I realize he really just wanted him to help stop Sideous. After watching Tales of the Jedi, it not only makes his grieving over Qui-Gon hurt more, but also shows the absolute truth in his words. If Obi-Wan had joined him, they could’ve overthrown Sideous and maybe things would’ve turned out differently.
See, I dont think that would've worked actually. If Dooku and Obi-Wan joined together, either one or both of them would've ended up dying. If Obi-Wan died, then Anakin would've gone completely out control SOONER. If Obi-Wan doesn't die from the fight and escapes, Sidious would've framed it like the Jedi tried to assassinate an innocent old man and Anakin would've turned to the Dark Side sooner. Dooku was always doomed to fail
Wow Dooku really just told Obi-Wan the truth...about it all
+CellPerfectForm Well he lied a bit, He knew about jango, the geononians didn't seem to bother about him.
+CellPerfectForm Dooku was also manipulated by Sidious. I'm pretty sure he didnt even know Palpatine was Sidious.
Naw, Dooku knew Palpatine and Sidious were the same, Sidious revealed the truth to him early in their work together years prior to the Clone Wars. I do think Dooku fully intended to destroy and replace his master at some point, as is traditional in Sith society.
+crazysam871 Dooku knew well aware of who Palapatine really was. The problem with this movie is that it did an awful job explaining just about every detail related to .... well, anything. It was a jumbled movie with horrible dialogue and little overall direction. It wasn't until all of the Clone Wars expanded universe (comics, tv shows, etc.) that really flushed out all of the details - and within that expanded universe is where you really saw how Dooku fell, sided with Sidious, and their plans to overtake the Senate. The only downfall of Dooku was that he trusted Palpatine enough to conquer the Galaxy together ... but Palpatine fell in love with Anakin and his talent and hate and he planned on Anakin replacing Dooku early on, which of course happened. This is why Dooku was so surprised in Revenge of the Sith when Palpatine okay-ed Anakin to kill him outright.
Ted Baroody Yeah, you could just see the look of shock and betrayal on his face in that scene.
I wonder how stupid and guilty obi wan must had felt after turing out that everything dooku told him was true
Dooku was with him the whole time, so obi wan may have thought worse of him
What? Obi Wan told the council what Dooku told him. They couldn't find out who the Sith was.
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+The Battlefront He's quoting Count Dooku's dialogue in this video, stupid.
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“No, that is not possible. The Jedi would be aware of it.” This line is evidence of how blind the jedi were in their arrogance.
The Jedi were blind because of Sidious. Not because of arrogance. In Episode 1, they found the first Sith Lord in 1000 years. Obi Wan tells Windu and they start watching the Senate. They grow suspicious of him granting Anakin certain favors but have to tread lightly because he is now the Chancellor with emergency powers . In Ep 3, Anakin tells Windu, he immediately brings 3 other Jedi Masters to arrest him
@@dondahighhh12 The Jedi were arrogant, complacent & corrupt even without Sidious. He just brought it further to light, so to speak.
That's because Darth Sidious was WORKING with the Jedi as well. Palpatine's manipulations were charming enough to let his enemies trust and assist him. The Jedi wouldn't, at first, stand up to the leader of the Republic and the galaxy.
In a way the Jedi are like parents who view themselves as the best parents in the world and are devoid of mistakes and failing to see what's right in front of them.
For Example;
"What I told you your daughters boyfriend was cheating on her?"
Parents: No that's impossible, WE would be aware of.
Exactly what Mace said when Qui Gon told him about the return of the Sith.
It's funny how Count Dooku tells the truth here and the Jedi are to arrogant to hear it.
After rewatching the prequel clips, I too also feel that the Jedi were extremely arrogant, which allowed the Sith to creep up from beneath their noses. I think Dooku was actually the smart one. He realized the failure of the Jedi and ditched it.
Quinntus79 But isn't Dooku working for the Emperor? Was he being honest here or just trying to get Obi to cross over?
He was trying to get Obi Wan to cross over, but he did so using the truth.
impassable Well Count Dooku was a Sith Lord. And in accordance to the Rule of Two he eventually has to find an apprentice of his own and take the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith, by overthrowing Palpatine. After a while Obi Wan has to do the same if he joined him.
Yeah and palpy already had dooku but he was still actively trying to get annakin to join him.
Most underrated Star Wars villain ever. He had the badass qualities of Maul, the sypathatic aspects of Vader and the swave demeanour of Palpatine.
+SAADEM Barodo I watched it again recently. While we did not get nearly enough of his past or character, the moment when he says to Mace ''I'm sorry old friend'' I actually felt sympathy for him. That was the one time I felt this wasn't a black and white story of good vs evil. I felt the same thing about Vader in the originals. Through Dooku's awesome character, they recaptured that once or twice
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+David McGinness Well said
Th. Noatak Yes - such a legendary actor - only fitting that he would be a part of the Star Wars franchise.
+David McGinness there's no way count dooku is more under rated than darth maul, general grevious, and nute gunray
That's a thing I always loved :
Darth Sidious was lying to the whole galaxy and everybody trusted him.
Darth Tyrannus said the truth about everything, and NOBODY took attention to his words.
Its like telling people about corruption in religion and churches. Thier vision is clouded my friend
Just like in real life
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Him and Qui-Gon were pretty like minded with how ignorant the jedi council really was
@@thatdude3977 Corruption is found in any institution. Because it's the people who are corrupt.
Man, not only is Dooku genuinely telling the truth about how much he misses Qui-Gon here, he’s also being completely real with Obi-Wan that he holds him in high regard and wants to join forces, not just because of how powerful they’d be together, but because he believed everything Qui-Gon said about him. So sad how they’d be friends and brothers in arms had Qui-Gon not died.
I’m guessing you came to this scene after tales of the Jedi because I sure did
@@aman3329 definitely haha. I always had a feeling Dooku was being somewhat genuine here but also a bit manipulative, but now I believe he was being completely honest with Obi-Wan that he wanted to join forces and take down Sidious. He dearly missed his apprentice and wanted Obi-Wan to fill that void.
Yaddle: "Dooku you can't, this isn't the way" *dies*
Qui Gon: "Master! You can't do this."
*turns off lightsaber* "Nah you right..."
Not just friends, I’d argue it’d be close to a grandson grandfather relationship.
makes you wonder if Darth Tyrannus / Count Dooku genuinely wanted Obi-Wan to join him in order to kill Darth Sidious/Palpatine. I believe he did. Of course, after that Dooku would have established a personal dictatorship/Empire with him in change as a Sith Lord. However, I think that he genuinely believed (like Anakin) that this is the only way to bring "Order" to a corrupt galactic republic. Actually many authoritarian minded people today think that way.
"I wish he were still alive. I could use his help right now."
After watching Tales Of The Jedi, that line hits harder now.
Makes me get why so many Jedi turn.
@@othelliusmaximus The Republic was just as evil.
The Council were political hypocrites.
And you can take the context of that line that many ways. Dooku could be saying he really did want Qui-Gon by his side to help lead the Separatists but it also shows how by the end Dooku didn’t trust any other Jedi in the order who wasn’t his old apprentice. Now if Qui-Gon did join his former master is still up to debate. I don’t think he did because what separated Qui-Gon and Dooku was their beliefs. Dooku saw the republic as too broken to fix and believed he and he alone could bring the changes needed noble yes but the belief he had all the answers that all would flourish under his command was arrogant. Qui-Gon always believed in balance among all living things for ‘mutual benefit’ and never saw himself above anyone not even ‘pathetic life forms’ or slaves that were ‘too old’ like Anakin.
@@nightwingman666 exactly. Qui Gon really walked on a Grey Jedi like path.
I would absolutely join Dooku
+Henry Freeman i would trust him over a real life world leader in todays world
Him and Obi Wan would be a hell of a team
Aside from him being paired with Anakin, you mean...
So would I
Not simply because he's Christopher Lee (well, that would be a plus actually. We all know that) but because he's right. Dooku is absolutely right.
Obi Wan: Calling people a traitor before it was cool
don't forget Mace Windu
Indeed I did.
+Obi-Wan Kenobi U should have joined me Obi Wan together we could destroy the sith
+Smiling Dooku I wanted to, but I couldn't.
Obi-Wan Kenobi Look what I have become because you didn't believe Dooku!
12 year old me:"This guy cut off Anakins hand, he's evil!"
32 year old me:"You know, there is great validity in what he says."
32 year old you seems to no longer care that he cut off Anakin' hand. What's that say about you?
@@EmptyMan000 It says he can see things from more than one view. Dooku could have easily killed Anakin during their if he wanted to.
He was trying to stop the invasion which happen in star wars 3 and obi won said no😭
The best lies and deceit contain a huge amount of truth
@@chaing-kai-shek2862
That doesn’t justify maiming and the fact that you’re trying to by disguising it as “nuance” just says more about you.
"I wish he were... still alive
I could use his help right now"
That subtle bit of emotion and sadness, he truly meant that and respected his padawan's wisdom
Qui Gon was his greatest student after all
Makes a lot of sense since Qui-Gon was the one that wanted to train Anakin when Obi-Wan told him not to.
I thought he was acting to deceive obi wan.
@@bern1223 That too. However Qui-Gon was one of the several reasons why Dooku left. After he was killed by Maul, the council still tried to cover up the sith and said that qui gon died for a different reason (I forget what).
@@MegaDrain how could they coer it up, didn't Obi Wan witness it with his own eyes ?
Dooku deserves to be a force ghost, he was nothing but honest.
He lied 4 times in a row before he told me the truth about the Sith being in control.
Obi-Wan Kenobi you’re right, I wasn’t there, I don’t know the whole situation and I shouldn’t victim blame. I deeply apologize for trying to play devils advocate for a situation that I only see from the outside, I don’t know what’s really happening when the cameras aren’t rolling. Once again I sincerely apologize for my severe and continuous lapse in judgement. It’s not my place and I should stay out of it until I know the both sides of the story.
Deserves? After killing so many people? He deserved jail. He might regret in moment of death but deserving is too big word.
If Vader gets to be a Force ghost it seems only logical.
@@PapapeTrue absolutely 👍
What a voice Christopher Lee had...powerful enough to melt lead. RIP
He even released a metal album a short time ago (about 3-4 yrs before his death). Amazing stuff :D
Lead has a low melting point.
superbrownbrown don’t be that guy
@@user-up8ri9he3g I didn't invent elemental properties.
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Dooku literally told Obi Wan straight up about Palpatine being the Sith Lord and he still didn't listen 😂
He did, he told the Jedi council about it, and I'm pretty sure they brushed it off lol
That’s the thing though. He didn’t. He said that the senate was under the control of a Sith Lord. He didn’t say Palpatine was the Sith Lord. That is significant because this shows that he was still loyal to Sidious and his plans, to a certain extent of course.
@@Alleycat20507 I still think Dooku's overall plan was to overthrow Palpatine
@@jumpcutfilms1958 no doubt
@@jumpcutfilms1958 yeah of course because he's old enough to understand that Palpatine is manipulating him but at the same time he's enslaved by the dark side so hes trying to win Kenobi trust but without revealing all the cards on the table. He said the Truth but not all of It (maybe because he fears Palpatine).
Even being held captive obi-wan has the high ground
A true master
😂😂😂
That’s my secret, I always have the high ground!
But he's not on the ground.
but he used the low ground to defeat both grievous and maul, explain urself
Count Dooku deserved more screentime. He could have been such a deep and conflicted character
Considering he was a pragmatic swordsman with some philosophical basis, yes, it's kind of unfortunate he wasn't explored more deeply. So much was just implied and not expanded.
Watch The Clone Wars
Agree 👍
@John6yt yeah
In the grand scheme of things Episode 1 is skippable. Trilogy could start from Attack of the Clones, Phantom Menace is a supplemental material to fill some gaps or throw some backstory for main characters (like meeting Obi-Wan's master, how Anakin's childhood looked like, that Palpatine hails from Naboo), it's for curiosity sake and not mandatory. However that kickass final battle with Darth Maul is a must watch.
Count Dooku: *Tells the truth*
Obi Wan: Nah, we'll be fine.
Made me think of the Critical Drinker : "Naaaah, it'll be fine ! "
Narrator: And they were, in fact, not fine.
"It's impossible!"
*sam Neill screaming*
Except he told his Jedi masters about what Dooku told him.
You can truly hear the honesty in his voice when he says he wishes 'Qui-Gon Jinn were still alive', it's the little things.
It was likely what turned him to the dark side in grief
@@ArchangelRG09 100%
indeed
I credit that to the wonderful actor that was Christopher Lee.
Especially after seeing Tales of the Jedi
Count Dooku is a unique character.
Yea. He sort of comes off as more of a disillusioned Jedi rather than a Sith Lord. If anything, I feel like part of him was still holding onto the Light here in this scene.
Ye really is. He strikes such a strange balance of emotions. I wish he was elaborated on further
@@markrodriguez7566 he was explored a bit more in Clone Wars but even then I think that really deviates from what was shown in the film's. The TV show made him just a one dimensional villain. All the more reason for that Jedi lost audio book that's coming out
brilliant I LOve Dooku and his outfit is The coolest too
Count Dooku is basically Darth Vader if he was an old man.
The idea of Liam Neeson being the apprentice of Christopher Lee is so awesome.
It only makes sense the Neeson would then later train Kenobi and Batman
You forget... Christopher Lee trains Liam Neeson who trains Ewon McGregor who evolves into Alec Guinness who trains Mark Hamill.
We need a series on that... de-age them and make it!
@@toddgakk5783 you do know that Christopher Lee past away, right?
@@OverLorD768 I said to de-age him
When you have Christopher Lee in front of your camera, you know that the acting and the shooting will be exceptionally top notch.
Yeah, I've heard he was a real life Jedi and used the force to do his own camera work. That man was a true artist.
Can Yücelsen absolutely agree 👍
@@williamdavies9339 Do you understand the concept of a joke?
Camera work is very poor here imo. But his acting is great as always.
That's Sir Christopher Lee to you, peasant!
Tales of the Jedi added so much more depth to this scene, and Dooku himself. I love Dooku even more now than I already did.
It also open the way for him to become a force ghost. He deserve it
@@alialpaslan1950 unlikely, he died a sith
Same
@@brandonm5130 "somehow, Dooku returned..."
@@duffman18 Looking for his head, or looking for rest of his body? Both vaporized when half of the ship blew up, but it's not like vaporization stopped Palpatine. More difficult would be finding a worthy replacement for Lee. Obviously Corey Burton does excellent job voicing him, but you also need somebody to look the part as well. I guess they could do more CGI shenanigans like with Luke or refresh/modify voice of James Earl Jones for Vader, but I don't know. What's the point of having a live actor, when you can just make anything artificially.
Ya know, in this scene Count Dooku doesn't really seem like a villain. He seems like a pretty reasonable dude. Of all the Siths it seems like he would have been the easiest to turn back to the light.
+awesomecdiperson
He was both. He was a very powerful Jedi and incredibly wise. Unfortunately, this made him view the others around him as as unintelligent or lacking insight like he had. Thus, they did not seek to get rid of corruption or the wrongs in the galaxy. In this way, he becomes disillusioned and leaves the Order to try to change things his way. He finds that the Dark Side could offer him the power he needed to fix things. It's like Lord of the Rings where people think they can use the Ring to stop Sauron/the Orcs/be a great ruler/etc. In the end, he becomes corrupted but never loses sight of his goal.
Imo, we see Mace Windu hint at this direction as well. Powerful, strong leader, confident, smart. He channels his dark side into his skill so as not to become a part of it. Perhaps if Anakin did not exist, I imagine Palpatine would try to control him instead.
I mean, damn, the prequels had some great ideas. Just poor execution.
Turn back to the light? Notice how Dooku never had the evil fiery eyes of the other SIth like Dark Anakin, Darth Maul, and Sidious.
He's more like Darth Traya: a grey Jedi playing both sides for his own ends.
@@xLeeroycranex Idk about Palpatine successfully turning Mace, as you see Mace rocks the purple lightsaber, which usually represents the dark jedi's turning sides, I would imagine Mace being very stubborn, he didn't even consider about killing Sidious, it is not the jedi way, mr. team killer skydick said, now mr. skydick was a liability and Mace was against him all along and thats for a good reason, Sidious had everything staged and Mace Windu was always skeptic about him, this was not his way. He was right all along.
Dooku wasn't evil, he eventually planned on killing Sidious
xLeeroycranex exactly
"I told you everything you needed to know on Geonosis all those years ago, Kenobi."
Furious Sherman what movie is this line from?
Andrew Rusk “Clone Wars: The Lost Missions”. It really expands on the plot of II and blends into III very nicely.
Andrew Rusk it’s not from a movie. It’s from the clone wars tv show
And reveals that he’s tyranaus
Eh, that episode was not that well done.
Man this scene really hits different after Tales of the Jedi
Absolutely! It gives this scene so many more layers with the added context.
Literally
Yeah definitely.
I was literally going to leave a comment saying the same thing 😂
This is for me, one of the most fascinating things about Star Wars. I don't know if other franchises do the same. But, with Star Wars, they go deeper and add new elements to the events that have already happened, and give them a new twist and a different perspective.
It pains me to think we'll never hear his majestic voice again. Dooku, Saruman... Rest in Peace, legend! You'll be forever missed. 😞
He was a compulsive liar. He pretended to be a super soldier in ww2. But no. Just a liar.
@@Burner-wb6pfYou’re full of shit. He was in the SAS.
@@Burner-wb6pfhe was a soldier during the war don't call him that you idiot
@@Burner-wb6pfIt's highly possible.
@@Burner-wb6pf Just like you, trying to act as someone, when in reality not even your mother remembers you. xD
Obi Wan: Tyrannus? YOU'RE the man called Tyrannus?
Count Dooku: I told you everything you needed to know on Geonosis. All those years ago, Kenobi. You should've joined me. Sifo-dyas understood. He saw the future. That is why he helped me.
lol that clip is what brought me here
Indiana why
Emperor Palpatine Storm Bringer777's comment was from a clone wars episode, and it referenced this scene
Indiana I know I see the episode but im curious to know what brings you here rather then this is simply something dooku referenced to on the pykes planet?Or is that it?
wait wasnt sifo-dyas sidious?
Notice how in the second installment of each Star Wars trilogy, the Sith Apprentice is telling the truth that the hero refuses to believe?
Very nice touch isn't it?
Even in TLJ Kylo tells Rey that her parents are nobodies
Except Kylo isn't Sith - but Dark Side users definitely have that trait. Honestly, if I was Obi-Wan I would have joined Dooku. He doesn't seem inherently evil and the Separatist movement was actually a noble plan had it not been orchastrated by Sidious.
Suspicious Windmills no dooku here was playing the role of a noble revolutionary to lure and deceive kenobi into joining the dark side. Dooku I’m sure was going to use kenobi to further the dark side and try to kill Sidious to be the master then take over the republic. Dooku was merely showing his false moniker to kenobi not his true face
@@DarthSathion Perhaps, but I never saw him as a true sith. He doesn't have the sith eyes.
"You must join me Obi Wan, we must join with Sauron"
+Thomas Williams Against the power of Sith, there will be no victory.
The Man Who Stalks You "it would be wise my friend..."
Thomas Williams *Trying to escape*
So you have chosen *death*....
+Johniscool I can't even..
I like how the scene is set in a room that has dark and light spots, and at times you notice Dooku stopping under a light and seems to speak more truthfully as if he is speaking from the light side of the force.
Wow, that's deep
Something similar happens in the Revenge of the Sith scene when Anakin is talking to Yoda about his visions: the light in the room casts light and dark stripes over his face, symbolizing that he is conflicted between the Jedi and Sith
Nice
Genius filmmaking
Such a nice detail
"Oh no my friend. This is a mistake, a terrible mistake, they've gone to far, this is madness!" 🤣
Lmao, Dooku is the king of sarcasm.
So civilized
I did not hit her. It’s not true. It’s b******t. I did not hit her. I did not.
@@Thanhhuy-bj6gt Oh hi Mark
*surprised Pikachu meme*
Obi-Wan never fully realized what Tyranus was talking about... until it was too late.
"Tyranus? You are the man called Tyranus?"
"I told you everything you needed to know on Geonosis all those years ago, Kenobi. You should have joined me. Sifo-Dyas understood. He saw the future, which was why he helped me."
Eric Graham I remember that episode.
Part of the reason "The Clone Wars" deserves to be a part of the official Star Wars canon, and that it deserves more praise than it really gets now.
He comes off as arrogant and short-sighted here. He didn't even give Count Dooku a debate or a rebuttal. Simply stating "Nope, not siding with you" each time Count Dooku presented his viewpoint doesn't strike me as something you should say to a once great Jedi Master such as Dooku.
HiddenWen Obi-wan knew that Dooku was trying to coax him to the dark side of the Force.
He believed in the Republic, and suddenly being told something so outlandish, regardless of it being the truth, he was not going to let Dooku even twist his mind a little bit. Anakin being a good example of what happens when you let someone get inside your head. It might have been arrogant, but from his point of view at the time, a good choice.
Older Obi-wan, as the Obi-wan later on in the clone wars / ROTS, would have probably discussed it further, but that was a much older and wiser man.
look at how Lee reacts when Obi Wan tells him "i'll never join you" thats a look of resignation and regret, showing that all of what he said was actually genuine and this was his last chance to try do things from the light side. Upon learning that his last chance has failed you can see he has decided to go full tilt.
Thats exactly how I always saw it too. Its kinda a shame expanded universe stuff tends to just treat count dooku as completely cold-blooded, ruthless, and completely sith, even though it doesnt really match his portrayal here in the movies.
Top tier acting
@@lenkagamine4145 I mean in Revenge of the Sith they kinda made the character that way
@@SGK1206 well, arguably. we dont see a ton of them in revenge of the sith. Its impossible to tell what he might be really thinking behind his carefully composed visage.
Dooku was never trying to do things from the light side. He's already fully a Sith Lord in this scene, and has been for a decade. He's trying to manipulate Obi-Wan. It was the plan all along to reveal Sidious's existence to the Jedi, as well as his influence over the Senate. It was bait to build mistrust between the Jedi and the Senate, which ultimately allows Palpatine to convince the Senate that the Jedi are traitors.
I love how Dooku spits nothing but facts every time he sees the Jedi and yet they never even consider that he might not have been lying.
Yeah, Palpatine is the main public enemy here
He's just like Cassandra from Greek mythology
Growing up is realising Dooku was a strong and honest man with good long-term intentions. 😂
According to the lore he was actually pretty racist lol
@@ArtofLunatik wait how do you say that? Sources please...
@@-Retired- one of those starwars lore youtubers is where i got the info from. Dont remember which channel, but it was video that was all about count dooku.
@@-Retired- apparently he didnt like some of the other alien races in the galaxy.
@@ArtofLunatik different aliens=species not race....
With that logic all humans are racist towards certain animals like insects.I personally despise roaches. Didn't know I was racist.
Buddy I'm pretty sure that source doesn't know what racism means...
Hmph
Dooku is more like in the middle - he knows the Jedi are arrogant scum, but also is aware of the Dark Side problems. That's whe Dooku probably has no Sith eyes - hes just pragmatic.
Kind of reminds me of Jolee from Knights of the Old Republic
@@NRGgamer he isn't grey Jedi, he has control over his anger which is something few sith can do, hence why he can hide his sith eyes, similar to Sidious
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 I don't think so. Unlike other Sith, Dooku joined the Sith only because he was disillusioned and wanted change. Unlike Darth Sidious, he had not immersed himself in the dark side.
@@aswinastro change to what though? i wouldn't trust anyone who literally takes on the name of a sith lord, i'd have no doubt that Darth Tyranus would have something to gain from telling Kenobi this stuff, plus as far as i see he was still Sidious's apprentice to the end so, there's clear dark side notion
also it is a fact that he can control his sith eyes, i recommend watching Stupendous Wave's video on it, pretty interesting
Dooku had sith eyes in The Clone Wars
"Oh no, my friend. This is a mistake; a terrible mistake, they have gone too far! This is madness!"
The sarcasm and sass of Dooku... 😂🤣
Fuckin great
If I thought it was bad manipulation
@G E T R E K T I don't believe you
@@LIMC46 May I ask why a Jedi Knight is all the way out here in Geonosis?
@@ahmetutkuakbulut5374 Why should I talk to a traitor? In any case, here you have a bounty hunter who tried to kill a senator on Coruscant
Even while being captured Obi Wan still has the high ground.
And the sass "I hope it doesn't take too long, I've got work to do"....classic
*Dooku:* A Sith Lord runs the Senate
*Kenobi:* That’s not possible... Palpatine Runs the senate
*Dooku:* Yes by being elected Sidious is now in control of the Senate playing both sides.
*Kenobi:* That’s where you’re mistaken Dooku because Palpatine was elected Chancellor.
*Dooku:* Look man I’m trying to throw you a bone here.
I mean look at it this way: every word matters (yes I’m serious lol)
He said the Republic / a buncha senators were under the control of Darth Sidious. For all the Jedi knew Darth Sidious could’ve been an outside party. Also (I’m stretching this part a bit but...) he said 100s of Senators, not all. That could mean a bunch of things. (Think of it as if the audience doesn’t know, and got no hints.)
Sidious isn't in control of the Senate. He IS the Senate.
@@charlesstilesmysterydinersfn Not yet
@@tweso1499 It’s treason then
@@tweso1499 it's treason then
Cool that such a legendary actor like Christopher Lee was in a Star Wars movie.
ked4 Just a shame it was one of the shit ones!
Actually, I liked all the Star Wars films
ked4 lol.
He was in Revenge of the Sith so he was at least in the average one
+harshbutt they were awesome
the things I loved about Dooku was his manipulative gentlemen act, his fensing style saber skills and his pretty cool saber design.
a classy gentleman sith
So civilized
Black culture
The idea of Christopher Lee nurturing and mentoring Liam Neeson is nothing short of awesome.
They should had flashback scene either in Episode 1 or 2
I always wondered about Dooku. He seemed like he was very much playing both sides. Someone below mentioned that he didn't know who Palpatine was. Yes, he did. He was his apprentice lol. If anyone in this movie was playing a balancing role in the force, it was Dooku.
+rclines001 dooku the true mvp lol but for real what if he was a under cover jedi?
+Ben Lowe even if he did the Jedi wouldn't believe him
He literally did here, but my guess is that judging by all the other episodes of THE CLONE WARS, the jedi where not really a smart faction at that time. Really dogmatic and blind in the faith. It is as if they where not the wise jedi they once where. Dooku prolly was, eeeeh, fuck it, fuck em all.. Also gimme these dark cookies!
That's why I like Dooku's personality the best out of all the characters, maybe even out of all (currently 7) movies. Besides the Clone Wars cartoon events, Dooku really saw how flawed the jedi were, and didn't seem to care for the sith ways either, since he's never had the eyes of a corrupted force-user.
Dooku still considered himself a Jedi but he saw how weakened and blinded by the old way and the politician' submission the Order was. He sided with the Sith only to destroy them and to destroy the corrupt Republic. He was more an anti-hero than a villain. He was bad.. for the greater good.
I would have loved to have seen with Liam Neeson and Christopher Lee together in live action.
Oscar Schindler teaming up with Saruman would be very badass indeed
That would have been beautiful man. Rest in peace Christopher Lee!
As Would I. That Would've Been Awesome.
*sir Christopher lee
I like that Dooku isn't relegated to just being Palpatine's evil apprentice. The scene here paints him as an idealist, disillusioned with the Sith & Jedi. Everything he revealed to Obi-wan here is true. If Obi-wan had believed him, they may have been able to thwart Palpatine's ascension. Or Dooku may have been telling Obi-wan all this to manipulate him later. Overall a good scene that raises some questions about the motives of the main villain.
And then Dooku says like 5-lines and dies at the beginning of Episode III. It feels like a lot of untapped potential.
I wish more people saw it like this. But it's too late now for him to have been the overarching antagonist for the prequels instead of Maul/Grievous (as cool as they were)
That’s one thing I didn’t like about The CW, it reduced Dooku to being more basic
Sidious's plans for Maul were simply as a warrior, maybe an enforcer. Maul may have succeeded Sidious as Sith Master but he couldn't have ran an empire for long. That's not what he was trained for. Dooku had to put together and lead an actual government.
"It feels like a lot of untapped potential" this sentence sums up dooku's part in the movies, one of the best characters with so few scenes
@@золотой-ъ9м it sums up alot of the prequels it had great potential and although it did have great bits and did characters justice like Obi wan, there was alot of untapped potential that they laid out and never did anything with
You don’t notice when you’re a kid but the way George Lucas wrote the story and the way the corruption sets in is so smart and well written really. The traitor is amongst the Jedi right before their eyes and they are to arrogant to think anything
palpatine did nothing wrong
@@jonniefast Ayo?
@@madduxnagel6935 Palpatine knows of an outside invading force. And knows the Republic stands no chance as is with the Jedi in power.
@@zedzed5276 So that just justifies everything Palpatine does then, just like that?💀
The Jedi order had become too complacent in their own dogma by this point.
I love the fact that dooku wants obi wan to join him and not anakin, cuz he knows that anakin can be powerfull, but he is disorded a wreckless, while obi wan is powerfull and decided. I just love the fact that dooku could realize that.
Speculation
Right? Anakin is just overrated. Obi-Wan is a perfect successor to the Dooku - Qui-Gon lineage.
True, because Qui-Gon was his apprentice and he was Obi-Wan's master, whereas Anakin only momentarily knew Qui-Gon, not enough to learn a great deal from him.
wrong he wanted Obi wan because knew that where ever Obi wan went Anakin would follow and if obi wan joined the dark side then It would be easy to persade Anakin too as obi wan would help him and palpatine to turn anakin.
he cared for obi wan only at the time and even called him his "granson" so that makes sense
Count Dooku understood that the only way to destroy the Sith was to join them and wipe them out from within. That's why this scene is so great. He knew enough about the corruption in politics and the foolishness of the Jedi. This is why he wouldn't release Obi Wan.
Not only that but he flat out told him
That's a great, great point...
You see this confirms what I always suspected about Dooku. I always got the vibe that Dooku wasn't a true Sith. He possessed none of the raw hatred or anger of Darth Vader but he possessed none of the sheer sadistic glee of Darth Sidious. He was so calm, composed, in full control of his emotions. And I mean, with respect to the Clone Wars, he seems to put a genuine effort in trying to destroy the Republic, undertaking campaigns that very easily could have destroyed the Republic had they been successful. It really strikes me that Dooku wasn't a Jedi or Sith, he was a renegade who abandoned the corruption of the Jedi Order to deal with the Sith on his own. It's a shame neither the Prequels nor TCW explore Dooku better in this regard.
And one interesting thing to note: Dooku doesn't have the bright orange eyes of a Sith Lord.
al Mamlūk I never considered Dooku a true Sih either. And I believe he too deep down still believes himself a Jedi
Reading the comments below; Dooku was playing Sidious.
Dooku was more of a dark Jedi rather than a full blown Sith. He was against the corruption of the Senate, it's his main reason for leaving the order. He told Obi Wan everything in this scene. Dooku was right about Qui Gon, Qui Gon already disagreed with the Order like his Master Dooku. If Qui Gon was still around at this point he'd join Dooku. Both Jedi were men of principle.
You can tell Dooku was very fond of his apprentice Qui Gon, do you really think he'd be friendly with Sidious knowing that he gave Maul the go ahead to kill his old apprentice?
The way he speaks of him in this scene displays how missed he is by Dooku.
Dooku & Qui Gon were both ahead of the game & smarter than the members in the Jedi council.
Qui Gon also made contact with Yoda from the other side, from beyond death proving what a knowledgable Jedi he was in the Force.
Basically Dooku was the leader of the first rebellion, he knew Sidious was going to transform the Republic in to an Empire. The Trade Federation was well aware of what a ass Sidious is; due to previous dealings up until Episode 1 when he screwed the Viceroid over for his own gain in the Senate after directing them to invade Naboo.
This is the hidden irony of the prequels that most 'hardcore' Star Wars fans don't get. We're cheering on the destruction of the good guys - the CIS who are actually the first fully fledged rebellion. The rebellion in Ep 4-6 is actually the 2nd fully fledged rebellion.
We don't think of the CIS as a rebellion because Sidious is a 'Chancellor' (with unlimited power) in a Galactic 'Republic'. All he did at the end of Episode 3 was change clothes and titles of himself, the republic & painted those Venator Star Destroyers grey. His political powers went unchanged since Episode 2.
My only problem with the Clone Wars animated series is it shows Dooku as constantly frowning and thereby burns an image of an 'evil' character in to the mindset of the audience, which is actually far from what he is.
If Qui-Gon lived Dooku wouldn't join Sidious.I also think he defoed the council not republic
true
I think Dooku "joined" Sidious so he could eventually take him out. He was never truly a Sith lord
The Rebellion had heroic and positive traits, something the Separatists don't have.
Very well written
Just had to come back here after Tales Of The Jedi. Despite knowing why Dooku did the things he did already, it felt like a fresh new wound was opened actually getting to see glimpses of his downfall. He truly didn't want it to come to this.
This just proves that Count Dooku was right all this time and the Jedi Order was too blind and stupid to see it.
Dooku truly wanted to end all the corruption around him. Him pretending to align with Sidious forced him to do bad things he never wanted to do to keep up appearances.
@@dereklopez9060 In theory, but ultimately, even his "better" plan didnt work! Dooku ends up dead, Jedi die too, and Palpatine takes over anyway.
The only thing he got that he wanted was the corruption of the Senate ending (with the fact they no longer exist either)
How different would have things gone if it was Dooku and Qui-Gon VS Maul? It's interesting.
Well you know tales of the jedi aren't Canon to lucas vision right? It's basically fanfiction.
@@dain6492Thats just your opinion as tales of the jedi is in fact canon. I personally can't stand so called 'purists' for any kind of media. There are Star Wars 'purists' who think only the original trilogy is canon and that everything else, even the prequels and the EU with the Yuuzong Vong and Abeloth are not real Star Wars.
I never realized that Dooku actually was telling the truth here. I should really rewatch these as an adult lol
They’re boring as fuck as an adult. It makes me wonder what goes on in Lucas’s brain.
@@4477superman Speak for yourself, no one
Jesus, I keep forgetting how long ago these were. Really should re-watch them (and a lot of movies).
@@4477superman yeah well, adults aren’t the target audience for these movies, contrary to what all these “old school” SW fans tell themselves.
Was he telling the truth? he's a literal servant servant of the sith lord, but makes it sound as if he's against him.
Odds are they wrote this scene without the writers themselves knowing what was going on and just forgot about it when writing episode 3.
Maul was badass, Vader was sympathetic, Sidious was sadistic and manipulative, Dooku/Tyrannus was charismatic.
Grievous was always a bit intimidating, but I think the best term for him would be monstrous.
We'll always have the Clone Wars saga.
+Lee Anderson so what is you order of sith lords from best to worst then?
On a scale of bad ass, darth maul wins, on a success rate either Tyrannus or Vader.
Lee Anderson what is it about darth maul that you liked other than his lightsaber or his badass model?
"You must join with me Obi-wan"
Doesn't that sound familiar? Hmmm
"We must join with him, Gandalf."
Dooku is literally just Saruman with a glowstick.
Would be cool if Qui-gon was still alive and said something like:
"Tell me, "friend". When did Count Dooku abandon reason for madness?"
That's because they are the same actor.
Vader: Join me! Together we can rule the galaxy!
Fans:
Count Dooku: Join me Obi Wan!!
Fans:
Kylo Ren: Rey, I want you to join me.
Fans: iT's A cOpY oF eMpiRE!!
JM Studios Even though the movie sucked, it was nothing like Empire.
Christopher Lee is an amazing actor and the emotion in that line about Qui-Gon transcends even more so to the audience now that Tales of the Jedi is out
Tales nailed it, I love that scene so much more now. And I really loved that scene before ;)
No it doesn't. Nothing feels differebt
Fun fact: Christopher Lee famously lied about his service in WW2
@@Burner-wb6pf That's just a flat out lie from an insignificant piece of dirt on somebodies boot which you are.
@@Burner-wb6pf You really need to find a life dude, attacking someone dead, He did far more things than you, fapping at the morning.
1:19 I'd actually kind of like to see a prequel with Qui-Gon as Dooku's apprentice
Count dooku/qui-gon stand alone would be fucking dope (but maybe new actors would fuck it up)
@@Axelovskji if not live action they could make clone wars type show.
Obi wan=dooku
Anakin=qui gon
Ahsoka =obi wan
That would be sweet!
They could do animated but live action just isn’t possible anymore
@@smorgington Yes it is. They can use different actors as younger versions of them.
Count dooku really embraced the full force without going too far to the dark side. Very interesting character and one of my favorites.
Reflected by how he steps in and out of the light, compared to Kenobi being haloed.
Brcause life is nevrr so binary
You need to rewatch the atrocities he commits...
His whole shtick is pretending to be a good guy and you're somehow falling for it even though the movies and shows tell you quite clearly how evil he is.
@@IcyPhilosopher The "new" medias completely flipped his character. Dooku wasn't evil. He just didn't agree with the Jedi council and saw the corruption and saw Sidious' plans as a way of fixing the corruption. Alas, he was wrong and was used.
@@DarkLordofTheSith_DarthVader
Yeah I've seen them. Starting down the dark side often is done with good intentions. By the time we see him in episode 2 and 3 he is completely fallen. All media shows this including Clone Wars. His reason for falling is irrelevant and the idea of trying the darkside for a good reason only to have it corrupt you is not new. He is evil by that point.
Forget Anakin and Ben, forget Palpatine and Rey, this is the most convincing grandfather-grandson relationship in the franchise.
No, I feel Ben is trash or Rey. The real ones I remember are Ben Skywalker, Anakin Solo, Jacen Solo and Jaina Solo. Not those Disney trash. Otherwise I'm with you about this grandpa-grandson relationship between Dooku and Kenobi.
Yoda and Qui Gon
Years after watching this, it’s crazy to see that just because Dooku turned to the Dark Side, his intentions were still to get rid of Palpatine, and bring order to the republic. He straight up tells Obi-Wan Palpatines plans and gives the entire Jedi a way to end the corruption, but because he’s fallen to the Dark Side, the Jedi dismiss him. Just think of the possibilities if Obi-Wan had just listened.
I'm super lost on the stories as I only watched the movies and read a few books before the Disney acquisition. What tv series or book tells of Dooku's intentions?
That's the problem, the Jedi were too blinded by their own self-righteousness to sense what was happening, until it was too late.
Do you know how many people died, dressed up as nazi Germans in world war 2????.....human nature is what it is.
@@devilslayerthesaintofkille1317 These dude, are not movies, ...they are lessons from God.
Obi-Wan made the right choice. Dooku is evil at this point. Some decent intentions in ridding Sidious but Dooku is POWER HUNGRY right now and first thing he would have done after killing Sidious is try to gain control of the senate and galaxy with the Clone Army AND Droid army. Just think about it.
0:58-1:10 I believe Count Dookus words here. He may have fallen to the dark side but he still cared for his apprentice Qui Gonn. Obi wan was like a son to Qui Gonn as was he to Count Dooku. It is very rare for a sith lord to care for his apprentice even on seperate sides no less. Truly an underrated character Dooku is. Christopher played his role well.
Thats exactly my thoughts, Qui Gon's death was the final straw that drew Dooku to the dark side, you can see the pain in his face before he said he wished he was still alive
@@ArchangelRG09 It seems to me like he was hoping that obi-wan would prove him wrong about the jedi, join him, and together defeat the sith just like he says. That he's internally just "begging" obi-wan to show him that the light side can win and that they can work together to reform the republic. But obi-wan not believing him, and flat-out denying the corruption in the republic, is the final straw that makes him give up on the light side and the jedi and side with the sith.
@@lenkagamine4145 you also have a good point
Yup and I think in the end dooku 's motivation are rather clear : avenging his disciple .
-By destroying sidious ( since anyway the apprentice of the dark lord will destroy him once trained enough )
-By destroying the republic with the separatist ( who he see as responsible for the decadence of the jedi)
-By destroying the Jedi council ( that he see as responsible for Qui gon's death )
"I wish he...were....still alive. I could use his help right now." You can tell how much it pained Dooku to relieve the reason why he left the Jedi Order after his last Padawan was killed and there was no investigation.
"Qui Gon Jinn would never join you!" That really stung Obi-Wan. I know it's still fresh for you but you aren't the only one who loved that man like he was family, you may have lost an adoptive father but Dooku lost his adoptive son. I mean where do you think Qui Gon got his protective streak from?
Nope, Dooku is merely manipulating Obi-Wan. He's using Qui-Gon to create a bond with Obi-Wan, to gain his trust. There's no reason to think he's actually pained here.
@@ovidiudiumea4012 Qui-gon's death is supposedly one of the reasons behind his departure from the Jedi Order. His association with Darth Sidious came only later.
@@ovidiudiumea4012 taking the acting displayed at face value would be a reason. So there is a potential reason.
@@SamvedIyer This doesn't really add up plot wise. Master Sifo-Dyas died over 10 years before the events of Ep2, and Dooku ordered the creation of the clone army right after that, under the moniker of "Tyranus". Which means Dooku had already gone rogue by the time of episode 1 (which was 10 years prior, coinciding with the creation of the clone army). So while Dooku may still have been a part of the Jedi Order when Qui-Gon died, he was definitely undermining it from within at this point. We also know he was the one who erased Kamino from the Jedi archives, which indicates he did remain in the Jedi Order for some time after he fell to the dark side.
Point being, I don't think Qui-Gon's death had any impact on Dooku's feelings towards the Jedi, as he was already covertly acting against them.
@@patinho5589 Except we know that Dooku lied, schemed, and ordered Amidala assassinated, the trio of Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme killed in a public execution, and generally has no remorse for killing any Jedi, including Obi-Wan later in the same movie (only Anakin's desperate lunge saved Obi-Wan from Dooku's killing stroke).
Your arrogance blinds you master Kenobi now you will experience the fall of the Jedi and the republic.
I'm surprised to be sure, but it won't come up.
Holy... He's literally crying out for help. You can see pain and regret that you really couldn't see before.
Christopher Lee's voice is so deep and menacing.
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Count Dooku was barely even a Sith, he just straight up tells the whole truth about the Emperor.
Dooku wasn’t evil, as mentioned in the previous comments above he was disillusioned.
@@ronaldcheng1857 oh i would certainly say Dooku was evil at this point, but all evil characters are not on the same page with each other, or even on the same side. Dooku probably despised Sidious as much as everyone else and showed here and in CW that he was fully willing to get rid of him if the opportunity arose, yet was pragmatic enough to know the way forward was through Sidious. However Dooku is fulling willing to step on anyone else in his way as well.
He just used the both sides of the force, despite the sith or jedi. He was the closest force user to a “gray force user” (or gray jedi)
This scene alone shows how dooku was not an actual sith
He was lying
@G E T R E K T 905 he was lying about wanting obi-wan to join him for sure. he knew that Obi wan was out there on behalf of the council. he knew about jango fett (he lied that he didn't know him), so Obi wan had absolutely no reason to trust him. as yoda once said "lies and deceit are the ways of the sith" , so although what he said about sidious and the senate was true, Dooku tried to paint himself as a good guy to throw obi wan off. dooku was not stupid, just manipulative like any sith lord. if he could somehow convince Obi Wan to join him on the spot, then the search for Jango, and reporting back aobut the droid foundry would have gone nowhere. Dooku was an actual Sith, him and sidious were the best siths in putting on the political Facade. the other siths were more violent and barbaric.
@G E T R E K T 905 i agree with you 100% on this, sadly i feel like the clone wars series just disregarded such a potential storyline for dooku, and made him your generic badguy because he can
I still think that Dooku planned to recruit Obi Wan so he could become the new darth lord
@G E T R E K T 905 he helds the name Darth so hes technically a sith even tough not an extremist sith. Also in legends there were sith that were genuine good and not killer or power thirsty
Between this, what was in legends and what is now canon in Tales of the Jedi:
"I wish he were... still alive. I could use his help right now"
This quote doesn't read like "I wish Qui-Gon would stand with me." it reads more like "I wish I had never done it, Qui-Gon kept me balanced."
Obi-Wan immediately turning to say "Qui-Gon would never join you." with spite and anger resulted in a pause from Dooku. He wasn't ready for Obi-Wan's cold and unfeeling response. What he said next sounds like a panicked generic statement. And Dooku's facial expression from his prior admission seems genuine.
Dooku was ready to open up and tell Obi-Wan everything, as he then attempted to. But Obi-Wan and the Council were far too distrusting of Dooku to believe it. Dooku was many things, including deceptive. But he didn't flat out lie.
Christopher Lee was a talented Actor.
obi-wan seemed to interpret the word "help" as "help to destroy the republic" or "help to destroy the jedi", but i believe dooku really meant "help figuring out what i should do"
Dooku was corrupted by the dark side at this point
@@rootfish2671 Yeah Dooku had already turned to the dark side 10 years before this scene (as that's when he killed the other Jedi and used that Jedi's name to order the clone army, under orders from Sidious to do so). Though he always did still seem to think that he'd be able to get rid of Sidious if it came to it, and he planned to eventually do that once he'd used up every bit of usefulness that he could have got out of Sidious, but he was always quite arrogant, and so he never believed that Sidious was also planning to do the same to him all along, and to replace him with Anakin.
It’s very interesting development but I wouldn’t be too lenient on Dooku.
He made his choices and he is for the most part responsible. The Jedi’s arrogance only speed the inevitable.
Lastly, he was already committed to achieving his end goals at this point. So I don’t think there was any hope for any redemption despite lamenting the fact that he sacrificed his own morals to do it. (Kinda like Thanos)
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 This. Dooku's actions directly resulted in countless deaths & suffering and he knew this. Even though he saw the corruption of The Jedi & The Senate he could have left The Jedi Order instead of contributing to a massive intergalactic war.
The Prequel Trilogy really had a very strong plot.
The central plot involving Palpatine was strong.. The sub plots involving Anakin were pretty weak.
The way I see it the original trilogy is way simpler and more for children and family. The prequels are more significant and metaphorical, the plot is more intriguing and there is more than meets the eye.
Thor Odinson yes indeed but they should of emphasis more on the count dooku more because his story is quite intriguing
@@pikppa The Prequel Era is by far the most interesting of the Star Wars Mythology and also the Post-Galactic Civil War era (the legends era not Disney sequel trilogy)
@@kareem2457 if qui gon hadn't died it would have made more sense, dooku is right, qui gon knew about the corruption, hence why he was going to train anakin regardless, also the jedi showed their corruption when they began spying on Palpatine and when windu attempted to assassinate him. You see it from the jedis point of view, but the jedi illegally plotted to both spy and assassinate the leader in power, the jedi were equally corrupt and order 66 had to be done to protect the leader of the republic.
The jedi wanted the same thing that Palpatine wanted, which was power and control, when the jedi saw their power and control slipping away they went against the law to do what they had to do to stay In power.
‘I told you everything you needed to know, on Geonosis, all those years ago, Kenobi.’
Despite all the terrible things he did as a Sith Lord, I find Tyranus to be the most pitiable and simultaneously most interesting of Sidious's apprentices
+SAADEM Barodo I'd say that Vader and Dooku are on par with each other.
+CyborgSword I agree, though I think Vader also qualifies.
Considering Dooku's past as a Jedi all the way up to the event when he learned of Qui-Gon Jinn's death, he came off as more of a disillusioned Jedi rather than a Sith Lord. There was also the fact that when he cut off Anakin's arm in the duel that followed, that he had a look of shock on his face. Dooku seemed genuinely mystified at what he did.
To me it always felt like he was genuinly trying to team up with Obi-wan here. Like Windu said, he was a political idealist, not a murderer (most of the time). He seems like he would have overthrown Sidious if given the chance and ruled the Galaxy rather peacefully without destroying the Jedi.
Lord DIO because he has a unknown past to the watcher of him.as we know really nothing about him as he is very mysterious.
If you think about it, every previous apprantice of Sidious have something in common with Darth Vader. Darth Maul remind us of Darth Vader from ANH, the merciless badass right-hand who destroys everything in the path of his master.
Dooku and Vader have a lot in common: both were powerful Jedi Masters praised for their skills and abilities who lost faith in the Order because they saw how much corruption there was from within (and the Republic as well). So they joined Darth Sidious in order to achiave the power to save what they both loved: for Anakin it was Padme, for Dooku it was restoring peace and justice to the galaxy and end the corruption of the Republic/Order. But both of them craved the power for their purpose only. Dooku wanted to get rid of Sidious as soon as his plans completed and Anakin stated explicity to both Padme and Luke that he wanted to kill the Emperor.
While technically not an apprantice of Sidious, Grievous is also a reminder of Vader for he's a foreshadowing of what Anakin will become: more machine than man.
Tales of the Jedi episode 4 made me come back to check this. His words about Qui Gon rings true here.
It troubles me they gave him an Blue lightsaber and not an Green Lightsaber
Not canon, nothing is canon anymore, a meaningless word like "woke"
Why did you come back after Tales of the jedi? Are you that stupid?
@@thebandit0256 Dooku's lightsaber when he became a Jedi Master in Legends is blue. Refer to his involvement in the Battle of Galidraan if you are curious.
However, also in the Star Wars Expanded Universe/Legends, he does have a green lightsaber in the standard style when he was a Padawan and Knight. That is before he created his famous curved-hilt saber. This might as well apply to Canon to an extent.
Christopher lee's acting is always perfection.
Yeah, dunno why people shit on the prequels when they have Dracula in them!
I think Dooku's role was pretty clear. His job was to drum up conflict and build up the Confederacy, forcing the Republic to scale up as well. It created a win-win scenario for Palpatine and deflected any suspicion of a mastermind Sith Lord onto Dooku. It's very possible Dooku saw through the facade of Palpatine and legitimately tried to enlist Obi-Wan to defeat him in order to perhaps create a political victory for the Confederacy, rather than a military one.
+Gordon Tubbs Dooku is Palpatine's apprentice so he knows exactly what is going on...but remember, the Sith look to betray each other and take over - Vader himself wanted to overthrow Palpatine. Palpatine plotted to betray his own apprentices first, however, before they had a chance.
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@@beezelsub shit that's not a bad comparison.
This scene is so important. The line about the Republic being in control by the dark lord of the sith. Made even better because the originals were already released. If they weren't made, i feel this would be one we'd look back on.
+Busher50 Not really, Attack of the Clones is pretty well agreed to be the worst of the prequels, because it was just a crappy, boring love story. This is one of the only good scenes in the entire film, and even then it doesn't make sense, because here we get a bit of an explanation, but that's all we get for Dooku's complex motivations.
burmiester1 don’t forget about obi wan and Jango Fett
another reason The OT is made better by The Prequels and The Prequels are made awesome by The OT
they rhyme it's like poetry
Dooku never really forgave Palpatine
Why would he? Palpatine turned a peaceful man into something he didn’t want to be expected Dooku didn’t have it as bad as Anakin did.
@@Itsnoahscott especially evident when he tries to ally with Obi Wan.
I feel like Dooku truly believes in the cause and the existence of Separatist, in episode 3 of this series he understands the people of the planet which in The Bad Batch and Clone wars we learned that Raxus was once a part of separatist alliance
Which is he was pretending to be on board with Palpatine here. Dooku was only aligning with Palpatine to get rid of him.
I am sure Palpatine was aware
I find Obi-Wan's response in this so strange. ''I would never join you Dooku.''
Even if that's how he feels, shouldn't he at least pretend to be somewhat interested to see where Dooku is coming from in claiming that a Sith Lord is in control of the Republic? Since he's a captive and he has Dooku talking, he might as well use it as an opportunity to explore/understand a different point of view (even if it is contrary to his vows).
winterland It's probably bad editing. There's was probably more of this scene that hit the cutting room floor.
Dooku might have immediately sensed it as a lie.
Also, considering the Clone Army was built by a ghost and the template is Jango, who works for Dooku, the fact that Obi Wan never investigated the origins of the Clone Army is ridiculous.
+winterland I suppose he could have except he must have let his emotions cloud his judgement. He must have been pretty pissed that his master's fore-master has become an evil traitor.
***** Well Dooku met and talked to Jango, face to face.
Also, Sifo-Dyas was dead for a decade, long before the conflict even began. Why would a Jedi without permission order an army for the Republic? Who would foot the bill?
How did we all think Dooku was a villain? This scene makes it seem like he knew the evil that was coming, and tried to oppose it. Qui Gon, Dooku and Sifo Dyas. They all foresaw the Empire, and tried to stop the sith, but were stopped by the Jedi. Idiots
Let´s not get ahead ourselve. Dooku was working with Palpatine and was important to his plan. If he was really trying to stop Sidious he would either never join him or start disobey his orders. Instead he went all along with everthying.
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 Vader wanted to overthrow the Emperor, and he never disobeyed orders
@@cameronhodgetts920 But Vader did not have choice like Dooku did. Literally only reason why Sidious had influence of separatis was Dooku. If Dooku rebelled during Clone Wars Palpatine would have lost control of the war. Meanwhile Vader would have to be against entire galaxy.
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 Dooku still would've been terrified to rebel. We saw what Palpatine did to the "traitor" Maul. He likely saw working with Sidious as a means to an end to stop the tyranny of the Republic, but ended up trapped by him
@@cameronhodgetts920 Maul did not have army Dooku had also Palpatine not could that easily remove Dooku since he need some puppet to lead separatist
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1:36 is actually fantastic staging and lighting to foreshadow how Dooku was a “good” Sith technically
This is so much better acted than I realize
Also, notice how Dooku is walking around the room freely in a clockwise direction whereas Obi-Wan is pinned in the center rotating counterclockwise. It's like the Jedi were not who they used to be and made several unwise decisions leading to their downfall, so their time is coming to an end. Conversely, the Sith have been waiting patiently for almost 1000 years since Darth Bane to take control over the galaxy, it is only a matter of time.
Hmm, I hadn't thought about it like that. Good call.
Good sith lmao,also him in standing in light for moment doesn’t mean anything,so gullible…
I believe that Dooku never really joined the dark side. I believe he learned that palpatine was the sith lord who was also the one corrupting the senate. After learning this, I believe Dooku joined sidious in hopes to find a weakness in him or become as power as he was in order to overthrow him. That's why I believe he told everything to Obi Wan and I believe genuinely tried to enlist Obi Wan.
No, he was definitely a Sith. He’d lost faith in the republic and the Jedi, before turning but it was Qui Gon’s death that sent him over the edge and made it possible for Sidious to convert him. Although he was never meant to be Palpatine’s heir, he was always a placeholder for Anakin.
"I believe Dooku joined sidious in hopes to find a weakness in him or become as power as he was in order to overthrow him." Yes, it was 100% this, but you know what the sick part is?
Sidious knew that and was prepared. That one weakness, that one chance to overthrow him? It never came. Dooku never even got CLOSE. All he did was help Sidious get to power, and then he was dead.
I wonder how salted Obi-Wan must've felt later on when he finally realized Dooku told him the truth
So here's a conspiracy theory. Everything Dooku has said here, EVERYTHING is true and is something he sincerely means. Viceroy Gunray really did go to Dooku for help, and Dooku really did want to team up with Obi Wan to destroy the Sith.
In fact, the only reason he teamed up with Sidious was to get close enough to him, to learn from him, and to use Sidious's own powers against him to destroy him. To turn the Rule of Two against Sidious.
Furthermore, here's a further suggestion... that Dooku was the one who proposed the Clone Wars, where Sidious saw it as a means of cementing his power and starting the Republic on the path to becoming a Galactic Empire, Dooku saw it as a means of raising a powerful military force, with which he could wage war on Sidious, and rid the Republic of his influence. Where Sidious implanted Order 66 in the Clones, Dooku secretly implanted Order 65, with the hope that repeated defeats at the hands of the Separatists would force the Republic to lose faith in Palpatine, and thus use Order 65 to have the clones turn on him.
Thus, Dooku and Palpatine were playing three layers of chess here. Publicly, they were enemies on opposite sides of the war, fighting for domination in the Galaxy, privately they were allies collaborating to weaken the Jedi and the Republic and institute the Empire, but even deeper than that, they both were indeed enemies, fighting for real, though neither would admit it to the other for fear of what the other would do to them. When Dooku implemented ruthless Separatist attacks on peaceful planets, when his Separatist armies committed war crimes in the name of the Separatist alliance, when they started trading in slaves, they didn't do it because Dooku was evil or because Sidious demanded it, they did it because Dooku wanted to weaken the Republic's faith in Palpatine's leadership, they did it because Dooku wanted to demonstrate just how powerless Palpatine was to defend the Republic's allies, and those the Republic claimed to protect. What he did not anticipate perhaps was Palpatine's ability to use such events to rally support for him and to solidify the Republic's resolve to fight the Separatists.
Take this one step further. When Dooku and the Separatist fleets invaded Couruscant to kidnap the Chancellor, where Palpatine may have demanded such an operation for his own aims, Dooku went along with that operation because he felt that his initial plan of eroding the Republic's faith in Palpatine was not working, he felt that the Jedi were simply not smart enough to pick up on his fairly obvious hints and to turn on Palpatine, so he decided to take matters in his own hands. He probably intended to kidnap Palpatine, take him somewhere in Separatist space, and execute him. Hell, he probably hopes that after dealing with Anakin and Obi Wan, he'd turn on Palpatine then and there and kill him while he was strapped to that chair.
Holy.. this is absolutely brilliant, my friend!!
@LegoGuy87, order 65 is really canon! So, there is some possibilities there
Except he lied about Jango not being here.
Yeh he certainly was not lying about wanting Obi Wan to join him. In the ROTS novel he had an appreciation for him
Can’t argue with this theory here.
Anyone here after watching the Dooku episodes in Star Wars Tales Of The Jedi?
I am
@@StarwarsFan-3131 me too bro.
“This is a mistake, a terrible mistake” while he leaves Obi Wan imprisoned lol
"It Maybe Difficult To Secure A Release"
Dooku, Sifo, Qui gon and Obi Wan as a team against the corruption of the Sith and the arrogance of the Jedi would've been an incredible alternate direction of the story.
I wish in Return of Jedi remake - Sebastian Shaw as redeemed Anakin, but force ghosts of Qui Gon, Sifo, Dooku should be there too.
As if Dooku wasn't arrogant, lol
@@TheLatiosnlatias02 but Luke never knew those other guys
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Exactly, at the very least Luke may be given introductions from them.
@@samjohnson5680 Omg 😱. Prequels and any other contend before them >>>>>> originals and sequels
Christopher Lee is just superb. When he speaks, one must pay attention. Undoubtedly.
James Knowles absolutely agree 👍
At first thought, Dooku was your typical villain but all these episodes and years later, you realise there was good in him. This viewpoint changes everything you hear coming out of his mouth in this scene. How important is a viewpoint!
When Dooku says that he could use Qui-Gon's help, and tries recruiting Kenobi, one has to wonder if he secretly wanted no part of The Sith and Sidious, and he truly wished to clean up the Republic, and with Kenobi or Jinn's aid he just may have defeated Sidious.
Samuel Swahn Meh, Dooku was supposed to be slightly superior to Mace. Episode 3 Sidious wasn't nearly as powerful as he came to be later on.
Or maybe, like the Sith tend to do, he wanted to overthrown his master and take on his own apprentice. Only Obi-Wan wasn't buying.
i wondered that too, but i think its more likely that dooku, who is not intended to be the true sith apprentice, was either told or manipulated into trying to get mnore jedi to defect to widen the schism and increase the destruction and length of the war, anyways, it doesnt really matter if he recruited obiwan or not cus sidious can f*** em up anytime he wants haha i doubt dooku and obi wan or dooku and quigon stand any real chance of defeating him, sidious is just way too powerful
Mitchell Quondam I think that line was fantastic and probably the only time Dooku got any development. His relationship with Qui gon Jinn sounds far more interesting than listening to stupid unreal love lines from Anakin and Padme. It's a moment of sympathy and regret which I think Obi wan misunderstood as him wanting Qui Gon to join him on the dark path. It's like Dooku's fall had something to do with Jinn's death and this is a moment were Dooku regrets becoming a Sith and wonders if his apprentice could have helped him had he survived.
It's kind of like how Darth Vader wanted Luke to join and told him they could overthrow Darth Sidious together
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6ix9ine: What if I told you the republic was under the control of the dark lord of the sith.
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I can’t believe Obi-Wan wasn’t like: “Christopher Lee?! Fuck! I’m such a big fan! I’ll join you!”
I am absolutely certain that the Jedi have more manners than to use the F word. And more intelligence as well.
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To quote Stephen Fry, a man renowned for his intelligence: “To think someone is less intelligent because of using profanity, is just fucking lunacy.”
Plus, studies show that people who swear are more trusty worthy. So eat that shit.
@@MR.ICE. I'm sure "those studies" are lies.
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And you are ignorant. So bite me.
The F-word... so uncivilized.
Man Christopher Lee can act! RIP Sir Christopher Lee 🙏 Tales of the Jedi just made you feel much more for Dooku right here, where he honestly tells him that Qui Gon always spoke highly of Obi-Wan to Dooku, and how he felt of him missing him. Cmon Obi-Wan.. listen to him!!
What if I told you that the franchise was under the dark control of the Mouse.
That's not possible. Mark hamill would've seen it!
@@zak14 the dark side of the force has clouded their vision, my friend
Hundreds of fans are now under the influence of a president named Kathleen Kennedy. The founder of Star Wars used to be in league with this Kathleen Kennedy, but he was betrayed 9 years ago by the dark lord.
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I don't believe you 😂
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I love Attack of the Clones. A great, great mystery/adventure epic.
yep i LOve Attack of The Clones
I don't like sand it's coarse and rough and irritating
And it gets everywhere
Hardly an adventure
More like a slaughter
It is my favorite Star Wars film because of the Lore, story, and soundtrack, mainly due to Across the stars.
Everything besides Anakin/Padme love scenes are goos
This hits ultra hard after seeing Dooku in Tales of The Jedi. You can tell he was heartbroken when he told Obi-Wan the whole truth and the Jedi still ignored his plea. No wonder he fell to the dark side the way he did. Dooku has always been one of my fav "What-If" characters. I'm glad we're starting to see some of his origins.
Dooku really is the the smart guy, understands the inevitable plans of the emperor, didn’t leave the Jedi in the dark about what was going to happen, and let them (obi wan) decide what they want to do with the information.
I think Christopher lee was one of the best actors to be in a star wars film.
+VC YT him and alec guiness
Crypt don’t forget about McGregor as well
And Peter Cushing
One of my favorite scenes in all six movies. It's so hard to tell if/when Dooku is being genuine and when he's simply being deceitful and fishing for information. Great acting. Anytime there are two Star Wars characters discussing deep matters for a few minutes, you can bet I'm on board.
That would be the fantastic acting of the late, great Sir Christopher Lee. I don't think George Lucas could've picked a better choice for Dooku.
nine movies.
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Same man. God damn I wish Dooku had been more greatly explored in the prequel movies, along with his seeming confliction between Jedi and Sith teachings and their practices, despite being committed to the latter by the time of the movies. I like to think he truly did intend on overthrowing Sidious somewhere down the line and was genuinely asking Obi-Wan for help. Perhaps it's down to Christopher Lee's out of this world likeability but there's a conviction to Dooku and a noticeable ambiguity that really makes you wish we were given more. In the movies at least. And that's before you get to how masterfully proficient he was as both a force user and, even more so as a swordsman. It just adds to how captivating he is as a character.
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When I first saw this scene as a kid, I thought Dooku was just lying and trying to get Obi-Wan to turn to the dark side, only as an adult did I realize he really just wanted him to help stop Sideous.
After watching Tales of the Jedi, it not only makes his grieving over Qui-Gon hurt more, but also shows the absolute truth in his words.
If Obi-Wan had joined him, they could’ve overthrown Sideous and maybe things would’ve turned out differently.
See, I dont think that would've worked actually. If Dooku and Obi-Wan joined together, either one or both of them would've ended up dying.
If Obi-Wan died, then Anakin would've gone completely out control SOONER.
If Obi-Wan doesn't die from the fight and escapes, Sidious would've framed it like the Jedi tried to assassinate an innocent old man and Anakin would've turned to the Dark Side sooner.
Dooku was always doomed to fail