Is Smoking Sinful? (Or Even That Harmful?) w/ Jimmy Akin
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Jimmy Akin is an avid Pipe smoker. Matt Fradd and Jimmy talk about smoking, why they love it, if it's sinful, and their habits. Jimmy also relays a crazy story of a woman dying of water poisoning that you have to hear to believe.
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Dear cigarette smokers & recovering addicts: this one wasn’t for us… move along
To me this sums up how irresponsible this message of his is.
@thatwifeofhis7815 agreed. This using water as an example might be the most childish argument I've ever seen.
Yes smoking is harmful. It's given me COPD and I wish I had never started smoking. My advice, don't start.
REALLY? I'm shocked! 😮
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Oh, but I thought the poison was in the dose? Surely you must have used too high a dose.
@@Jonathan_214
Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤
Same here, good luck to thoses who follow the advice from this "sage".
Moderation is what is needed for all things.
“How many pipes do you smoke a day”
“I don’t really count”
That means a lot 😂
I think there is a major difference between cigarettes and pipes/cigars. Almost two separate animals.
Is smoking sinful?
Jimmy: let’s talk about the only water overdose in history.
lol love ya Jimmy.
It actually happens more than you think
Bruce Lee is the woman in the hold your wee for a wii drinking contest story? That's nuts
It happened to a good friend of mine, and I also witnessed it happening to a teammate during a soccer game.
@@PixelatedApollo1 true, happened to a kid in another frat on campus during pledge week
@@davidwalker9594 like a game he was playing in? That’s crazy
I would caution against smoking too often because you can develop mouth cancer and esophageal cancer. I know this will sound bizarre but my parents have a friend who had to have all his teeth removed and now he has all fake teeth because of smoking too many cigars. Just wanted to make clear a cigar now and then OK
Not sure if I fully agree...just because some "good" things become bad when you overdue them, does not mean all "bad" things are okay in small doses...
Good and bad are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Good and bad are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Water is a necessity, smoking is not and it is so deadly that all tobacco companies in the world are forced to warn smokers in their products that this stuff KILLS!
For cigars and pipes, baseless studies. I did the research before I picked up the hobby. I do not worry about pipes and cigars. They combine cigarettes with pipes and cigars incorrectly in most studies. When they are isolated, they show little to no risk, and in the case of pipes a potential life extender.
Former 1 pack a day smoker here.
“Nicotine is not harmful”. Really?
Nicotine is literally the thing you get addicted to. That’s why doctors give you nicotine patches. I used them to quit
The logic of the water argument sounds like the kind of thing I’d say when I was still in denial about my addiction 😂
Other than that, great listening to you, as always. Blessings to you and your family, Matt!
By that Akin means that nicotine isn't going to kill or directly harm you in the way taking cyanide or bleach will. Nicotine can indeed lead to addiction, so it's probably more comparable to something like caffeine, which is another relatively benign drug.
but the nicotine isn't the thing itself that does it, it's the chemicals in the paper and harmful smoke. Cigarettes are bad, but I'll stick to my pipe and good tobacco haha
Tobacco smoke inhaler. Have you lived the life of non-inhaling or are you going off of pure anecdotal nonsense? It's not meant to inhale. Just because you've been duped doesn't mean we've all been
Don't consume enough to get addicted. I occasionally smoke a pipe or cigar, I've given it up for months a time with no issue.
Okay, y’all are full of bull, talking out your a**. Whether smoking is sinful, I don’t know. But smoking anything is physically harmful. Get your facts straight before you talk about such an important issue. Don’t quote old or really any studies especially if you know nothing about whether it’s legitimate. This just makes me angry. My mom died too young from smoking.
Was she smoking cigarettes? If so, duh, cigars and pipes are not the same thing, the tobacco is untreated, the smoke isn’t inhaled. There is a risk of oral cancer but that is greatly offset by good oral hygiene.
@andrewvachon1943 do us a favour my friend, and look into this online.
Type in 'Are cigars harmful' into Google, and read the first 200 medical sites that pop up.
Cigars and pipes are responsible for mouth cancer, throat cancer, cancers of the face, and lung cancer.
The idea of 'pure' nicotine is bs.
If someone tells you their mother died from something, in what reality would it be charitable to reply to that with, “duh?”
@@danc2531 I will concede that I was less than kind in my response. I was annoyed by the tone of the OP and replied in an unnecessarily harsh manner. I get frustrated when people conflate cigarettes and other forms of tobacco usage that are far less harmful. Thank you for pointing this out and I will do my best to be more kindhearted in future interactions.
Yeah idk about this one. The logic is kind of weird. How many moderate tobacco users do you know? This is a bit of an anecdote but I only know non users and people who are addicted. Nicotine is very addictive and inhaling soot into your lungs is never going to be good for you.
I know plenty. People who smoke cigars typically aren't even smoking daily.
I smoke occasionally and haven't had a cigar in like almost 3 months
I smoke small cigars occasionally, usually when I'm at the bar with my mates.
Yeah to echo these guys I’ll smoke 1 bowl of a tobacco pipe with friends every 2 months or so. It’s about the same frequency that I drink. Sip pipe. Sup whiskey. Move on with life
@@jcf150_9same as you, I just bought a pipe last fall to commemorate my 40th birthday and the birth of my 5th child. I’ve smoked it about 5 times since then, and honestly still searching for a tobacco I truly love to smoke. I find most of them too harsh.
For myself, I love the smell of secondhand pipe smoke more than smoking it.
I didn’t want anything for my birthday other than a momento to remember this period of my life.
There is such thing as mouth cancer, some people have to have large chunks of their tongue cut out.
Water isn't addictive.
I smoked for 38 years, knowing it was bad for me. I watched my dad die decades early from lung cancer, still smoking on his deathbed. And I kept smoking myself for almost another 20 years. Stopping was one of the biggest miracles of my life.
Just because some things are mildly poisonous and do not cause immediate negative symptoms does not mean that they should not be avoided. By that reasoning, the occasional indulgence in sin would be OK. Also Sigmund Freud was a heavy smoker of cigars and died from the complications of oral cancer after enduring numerous surgical procedures. Even after the cancer was diagnosed Freud refused to quit smoking, despite persistent appeals from his doctors.
Have you ever eaten fast food, junk food, or highly sugary, processed foods, what about soda. Or alcohol for that matter?
All of it is poisonous. I dont care if you do, but your line of reasoning seems a little intellectually inconsistent.
@@Joe-Mamasixtyninefourtwenty Unlike Matt Fradd, I neither smoke nor consume alcohol. I agree that both are poisonous. Furthermore, I don't do drugs - legal or illegal. There are multiple toxins in our food and in our environment, and we should obviously minimize our exposure to them, while enjoying the conveniences of modern civlization. However, cultivating the habit of consuming substances which are essentially toxic and which have no demonstrated health benefits seems foolish.
What's the Freudian interpretation of smoking cigars? 😅
@@AlgyPug do you drink coffe or tea? Hate to break it to you, hate to be the bearer of bad news but then youre a drug user.
Also, certain substances physically may have a factor of harm to them, however, the social benefits far outweigh any potential risks, socially drinking a "pint" with your mates or cigar may be beneficial. Being completely abstinent is fine too, but is rare, even jesus consumed alcohol, it was the first miracle he performed in his public ministry, turning water into wine.
>Sin is INHERENTLY evil. No matter what you do, it is evil. There are certain conditions that may reduce the culpability of the sinner but doesn't change the fact it is wrong to do it. Comparing sin to having a cigar is comparing apples to oranges.
>You clearly specified Freud was a HEAVY smoker. Which implies he wasn't practicing moderation. He got carried away with it.
Do I smoke? No. Am I going to say smoking is evil if it is done in moderation? No.
I think they missed the core issue here. The issue is nicotine's addiction potential and how it leads people to go from moderate tobacco usage to overuse. At that point, what are we talking in terms of culpability?
I smoke in moderation, one cigar at a time.
Me too!🥳 I'm also known to drink in the same fashion.
Sounds like some of my friends coke addictions 🤣 one line at a time
People right now don't need to hear about moderation. The big problem right now when it comes to things like this is that people feel like if they don't partake, they are missing out on something. You can't teach moderation to someone who believes that if they abstain altogether they are deprived of something. The truth is, you aren't missing out on anything if you don't smoke. Only after someone accepts that can they even begin to learn moderation. But once they know that, they might also decide they have no use for it.
Asthma is nice pass for me to avoid all these extra ways of spending money.
I’m never been diagnosed with asthma, and I’m a runner. Being around smoke (even at a camp fire) causes my chest to feel like it is tightening up, though. It’s annoying because I love being around a good camp fire.
The water thing happened in Sacramento. Personally I think you guys should not make such a big thing of smoking. It does negatively affect many people in a very serious way. Encouraging this behavior over all will have a negative effect on the body of Christ. Having said all that I really enjoyed the cigar I had the other day. But I don’t plan on making it a habit and I don’t plan on advertising it either.
Jimmy needs to stick with doctrinal apologetics and leave the health advice to…well, pretty much anyone else.
One of the first things I learned in sales is that all human beings make most decisions with emotions and then use logic to justify the decision made by emotions. I make decisions with emotions then justify with logic too. Jimmy and Matt are not immune
Two guys, having a chat and eating a picnic. This content is too pure for TH-cam.
Quoting the surgeon general for a smoking study reminds me of listening to Dr. Fauci about COVID.
That is from the same era when "doctors" had lots of "studies" certifying how smoking does you no harm. Listen to some oldtime radio shows like Dragnet sometime for the tobacco ads. Wow. No wonder all our parents and grandparents smoked.
"One of the marks of a certain type of bad man is that he cannot give up a thing himself without wanting every one else to give it up. That is not the Christian way. An individual Christian may see fit to give up all sorts of things for special reasons-marriage, or meat, or beer, or the cinema; but the moment he starts saying the things are bad in themselves, or looking down his nose at other people who do use them, he has taken the wrong turning."
-C.S. Lewis
To try pipe smoking was on my bucket list for when I retired. I found it quite enjoyable that I decided to take it up as a hobby.
Smoke cigars and pipes. We arent puritans
Frankly I'm just not convinced by the "don't do it because it's bad for your health" argument, especially when the argument is used to call smoking a sin. I don't know a single person who applies this principle consistently or even attempts to do so and fails at it sometimes. I know for a fact that sitting down for 8 hours staring at numbers and words on a screen isn't good for my health, but it's what I get paid to do. At the risk of sounding like a pot-smoking hippie (I'm not, I swear guys), the argument really is arbitrarily applied to tobacco.
Well no, tobacco is a choice being made to actively harm yourself. Your job is your job.
The problem is that sitting for 8 hours per day is known to be very detrimental to one's health. It can be a major cause of obesity, which leads to many diseases. Simply because @jonanstephens2904 is paid to do so doesn't negate the ill effects on his health. It's also a choice.
@@Roihclem871he chose that job though.
Great guest and Great podcast but Im wondering that is this rule also thrue when we talk about using heroin. If using litlle dose of heroin is something relative and hurmless if you kill few your body sells with it?🤔🇭🇷
"It is not what goes into a man's mouth that defiles him, but that which comes out of his mouth, that is what defiles him."
Exactly, so.... smoke comes out
@@DBELLTREE OK you got me there 😂
It is now canonical that somewhere out there in the world. There is a Mii of Matt Fred walking around in digital Wonderland..
People get water poisoning during the summer typically. You drink too much water, usually too quickly, and you flush your electrolytes/dilute them. Symptoms are similar to dehydration. I've seen it on military exercises where guys are ordered to drink lots of water, show symptoms of dehydration (but actually overhydration) and then end up drinking more.
I smoke cigars, and I realize they’re not healthy. But neither are french fries and cake.
As a nonsmoker; I find it hilarious how many people get outraged about smoking but have no problem consuming alcohol and fast food. all of which hurt one's health. Many of The outraged commenters seem to be hypocrites.
Because although fast food IS harmful when consumed on a regular basis, it provides the physical benefit of nutrition to the consumer. Smoking is of NO physical benifit to the consumer, and only harmful. I'd also put alcohol in this catagory too
@@CloroxBleach-cq7tjsmoking provides relaxation. So there is a benefit. Stress can be a killer
@@PixelatedApollo1 you can do things to relax that don't involve actively harming yourself
@@CloroxBleach-cq7tj everything is bad for you, can can not relax without cost. Walking is bad for your knees, the sun cause skin cancer, drinking tea can cause throat cancer, and reading can be bad on the eyes, you also sit for long periods of time which can be bad for you. But I agree smoking probably is worse than those other activities, but it does have a relaxation benefit.
Nicotine has many benefits including a boost to cognitive function. Cigarettes have many things that are totally unfit for human consumption and while smoking in general is harmful, there are positive social benefits among others to having a casual cigar. Health and safety is not the highest good
@@CloroxBleach-cq7tj
Cigar lover here! I’ve have both Jimmy and Matt on my channel. Great guys!
There is Christian liberty regarding this topic but the logic by which they get there seems ridiculous to me?
Its amazing everyone in the comments lumping in cigarettes and cigars. Cigarettes you inhale into your lungs and most people are smoking many many times a day. Cigars are more of a treat, inhaled into the mouth, maybe just a couple times a week. Its like comparing someone who drinks 6 or more beers every night to someone who has a glass or two of wine or wiskey at night. Get a grip people.
Matt explicitly said he wants to INCREASE his smoking to 21 cigars a week. A cigar is the nicotine equivalent of a pack of cigarettes
@@dairekerin I'm talking about the average person not him. Don't be so daft.
if you're breathing at all while smoking a cigar then you are inhaling tobacco smoke and it can still give you mouth cancer regardless
Just a brief reminder to you all that even a “moderate” usage of tobacco is extremely dangerous to human health due to the presence of several semi-combusted substances that not only start the process of tumor-making ( driver mutagens) but amplificate the process itself.
Moreover, smoking is harmful even to those who are nearby.
Smoking is a free choice, but no one could ever say it’s not that dangerous even if you do it “with moderation”.
Citing Paracelsus won’t help.
The guy didn’it even know what a molecule is.
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You are talking about commercially made cigarettes. Plain tobacco doesn’t have the chemicals you’ve referred to.
I agree that smoking is obviously dangerous, but it's basically no more or less dangerous than being a professional boxer, construction worker, emergency service worker, etc. People have an issue with tobacco because it's a social stigma at this point - but that's all a product of political propaganda, nothing more.
Do you drink alcohol? Do you drive a car? Do you live in a large city? All of those things are more dangerous than enjoying a cigar.
@@shadfallfan no.
Literally true-the poison is in the dose-but some things are poisonous in tiny doses.
More important here-most people who smoke cigars or pipes smoke fairly regularly, so it’s not really a safe habit. Whether it’s sinful I’ll leave to others to debate.
I love how Jimmy says "I'm going to warn you about problems, I'm not going to warn you about things that aren't going to cause you a problem" [dramatic pause..."well anyways" style look on his face] starts eating a sandwich
Wow! I had heard about the radio show incident but I always thought it was just an urban legend.
Quite the stretch here.
There’s a risk and cost to everything. Non smokers should not feel self righteous as compared to smokers. Their decision is nobody’s business but their own. My grandmother is 87, smokes Marlboro lights. My dad died at 57. My uncle who is in his early 50s does not smoke or drink is physically wrecked with health issues, while my other uncle smokes, vapes, drinks moderately looks better and is in better condition than he was 5 years ago. There are many contributing factors to health, and moderately smoking cigarettes, pipes or cigars or what have you is but one small factor in one’s overall health
Happy Tolkien Reading's day!
I love Jimmy. He's realistic and grounded in pure realism. For those who use tobacco responsibly and do not inhale (not cigarettes obviously bc that's pure poison), we have less to worry about. I come from a family of non-inhalers and the thing that took us was not tobacco use. It was much worse. Tobacco is not meant to be inhaled and if you've done so and got sick, that's purely your fault. Don't blame the substance. Blame the irresponsible user.
Chewing tobacco can also cause mouth cancer. Your family may have genetics that protect y’all against the harm, but others may not be as lucky.
I️ enjoy pipe tobacco. The crux of the issue is precisely what Jimmy said: the poison is the dose. The comments I’ve seen all deal with overuse and addictive effects of nicotine. While nicotine is addictive, cigarettes are not the only way to obtain a dosage. Most of the lung issues can be avoided through mediums which do not inhale. Additionally, nicotine pouches are readily available now with little to no negative side effects in low dosages. Is pipe / cigar smokingthe healthiest habit? Absolutely not. But if you’re a cigarette smoker it’s a better alternative, especially if you don’t inhale. If you can enjoy it in moderation by all means enjoy! Personally, I️ try to limit it to a couple times a week, but that’s not a necessity. This is speaking as a pipe smoker off and on for 10 years.
Is it a sin consuming soda pops like the Chiapas do?
It reminds me of that guy in the 1000 year war arc of Bleach. One of the Sternritters. He was able to adjust the tolerance limit of any substance he knew about. Anyone else know what I'm talking about? #Anime #manga fans
One of my grandfathers regularly smoked cigar or pipe. He lived to the age of 96.
My other grandfather smoked cigarettes. He died at the age of 81 of cancer… pancreatic cancer. The same thing my mom died of, as do many other non-smokers. Point is, this is not a simple “smoking will kill you” scenario
Cigars are gay and cigarettes are sweet
Get out of denial.
Smoking "anything" is not good. Definitely NOT from God, nor pleasing to him. Cigars are vain.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph didn't smoke. Just don't do it. Be free from it, and all addictions. 🙏🏼 God bless.
Jesus, Joesph, and Mary didn’t have tobacco in the first place. If you don’t like it, don’t do it. I don’t see how it is vain.
You assume we’re addicted. Addiction is absolutely a sin. You don’t have to be addicted if you smoke cigars or pipes. I think cigarettes are distasteful because they are used for the purpose of “getting your nicotine fix,” which is not the purpose of pipes or cigars. Cigarettes are, I believe, inherently meant to feed addiction. I smoke a pipe about twice a week. I just gave it up for the 40 days of Lent and had no issue or cravings. I regularly go a week -maybe every month or two- without it to make sure I’m not developing a need for it. It’s a wonderful and relaxing thing. You have absolutely no idea whether tobacco is displeasing to God. All addiction is, but not the thing itself. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph all didn’t eat cookies or have ice cream or drink soda or sugary drinks, which I’m sure you partake in, if only occasionally. Sugar is also bad for you. Sugar is also the single most addictive substance on earth, more than cocaine and far more than nicotine, and it has severe withdrawal symptoms. Do you genuinely think God is displeased with you for grabbing that oatmeal raisin cookie? For drinking that honey-sweetened tea? For feeding your ravenous addiction?
Obviously im not serious, but the exact same principle applies. When you begin to eat 10 cookies and drink 5 sodas per day, every single day, then that’s overdoing it, and is likely sinful. Just because YOU have a certain thing about tobacco, you shouldn’t demand everyone else stop taking part in the small pleasures of life.
"One of the marks of a certain type of bad man is that he cannot give up a thing himself without wanting every one else to give it up. That is not the Christian way. An individual Christian may see fit to give up all sorts of things for special reasons-marriage, or meat, or beer, or the cinema; but the moment he starts saying the things are bad in themselves, or looking down his nose at other people who do use them, he has taken the wrong turning."
-C.S. Lewis
“Poisonous dosage may very baste on differences in individual biology. This podcast not responsible for any negative side effects, outcomes due to advice taken.
Smoke responsibly.”
Usually like both these guys, but one of the dumbest rationalizations of a terrible habit I've seen from either of them.
I'll easily agree that not all smoking is sinful, but that water comparison was weak and Matt asking if the deaf woman's kids got the Wii was shameful.
Think this clip makes them both look like clowns, which is a shame as I said I agree with both of them on most things though Jimmy gets real odd with BigFoot or UFOs and Matt's smoking cigars on camera has always looked pretentious to me.
Water intoxication can alter electrolyte balance, which can cause cardiac arrest
this is true once i drunk SO MUCH water i had no more energy left at all i felt beyond tired i was in pain i genuinely thought i was dying
Just dumb!
Omg this is so crazy.
Wow bending over backwards to try and be consistent with an implausible moral theory
One thing I know for sure is that the man who drinks 1 soda per day will end up having much more cancer than one who smokes 1 cigarette a day. Yet most people don’t bat an eye at habitual soda consumption.
“For sure”?
@@bethmcmullan7686 Yes.
Soda is a big no no in some circles.
It is fine in moderation, yet Akin has no idea how many pipes he smokes a day... He doesnt count... What is moderation then...
I vape so I won't smoke cigarettes. I *will* overdo cigarettes if I smoke them. I did my research first. Many vapes are simply distilled water, flavoring, and nicotine in an electronic delivery device. (Check the ingredients, because some vape fluids have formaldehyde in them.) Nicotine is not itself a carcinogen, though it can raise your blood pressure. Modern cigarettes are full of additives that make them more addictive, and they contain some 40 different carcinogens. It is likely the additives that make them so dangerous. Native Americans used tobacco for centuries, if not millennia, with no stories of ill effects (that I'm aware of). People who roll their own cigarettes often report that they are less addicted, and have no ill effects.
I'm an ex smoker & I would jump from vaping to real cigarettes. I always felt better on real cigarettes. Now this was back when juul was popular. Do you know anything about those? I always felt like this were terrible. Sounds like regular vaping isn't like that?
I love a smoke every once in a while!!! Yikes!!
Mass produced cigarettes have added tar and nicotine (which makes it more addictive) and unhealthy. A hand rolled cigarette with pure tobacco isn't the same as a manufactured one.
Love you both, but cancer from smoking is self destruction and proven to be a direct result (mouth, lung, breast cancer) and not “incense” as compared in this discussion.
I might sound like a buzzkill, but I think all recreational substance use is wrong. Smoking, tobacco, alchohol, drugs, you name it. The majority of it has negative side effects and it just seems like a sort of gluttony to me.
I mean just repeat the idea back to yourself: intentionally inhaling smoke in order to relax. Does that make sense or sound safe to you in a vaccum? Lol.
You don’t inhale when you smoke a pipe or cigar.
Those sodas and bread are more dangerous than the tobacco. What happened to carnivore diet??
I read pope john xxiii smoked cigarettes,so did some of the saints.I even read pope Benedict use to enjoy an occasional cigarette.Smoking has never been declared a sin by the church.Wise not to smoke but a an occasional cigar or cigarette is probably ok.
To all those who got cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, or COPD, take heart in knowing that the issue wasn't smoking. As Jimmy showed, the poison is in the dose. You just used too high a dose. Maybe try lowering the dosage.
I agree
It is a very risky rode with cigarettes. Hard to be a moderate user. I presume it is a lot easier to be moderate with cigars because you do not inhale?
As someone who works with oxygen and setting it up for patients, the universal answer I get when a patient says they smoke is that they wish they had never started it. Smoking is harmful and, in my opinion, downright deplorable. It should be outlawed, full stop.
I don't know about outlawed but definitely shouldn't be promoted by conservative Catholic influencers.
Are those patients talking about smoking cigars/pipes or cigarettes? Because they aren’t at all the same thing. You do not inhale cigars or pipes for one thing, you “puff” them into your mouth. Furthermore, the most harmful aspect of cigarettes is the tar and other additives that is in them, cigars and pipes only have tobacco in them, no additives. The risk of smoking a pipe or cigar is not 0, but nothing has 0 risk. An occasional cigar is no worse than an occasional drink.
Nah, let people sin, if God alows us to do so, then theres no point in forcing others to be righteous. You do have a right to exlude people from smoking in your property though, its your right.
You can't talk about moderation when you're overweight and also don't count how many pipes you smoke a day.
☦️Set a debate between Akin & Robert Sungenis please? Dr. Sungenis wants to, so do it, or else Akin is scared...
It is bad and it is a sin to harm your body. There is no safe amount of smoking.
C'mon, Akin, smoking is bad for you even in moderate amounts. It is the #1 most preventable cause of death. To justify it by saying that "even water is poisonous" is ridiculous. Water is good for you and has no deleterious effects until you hit a certain threshold. Smoking is bad for you from the very first puff.
This and the Bigfoot thing are ridiculous...Akin says a lot of really intelligent things but when it comes to these things...what is he smoking? lol
Do you eat sugar? How about working around smoke? There are literally millions of people just in the United States who choose to work in a place that forces them to inhale smoke regularly (barbecue places, firefighters, coal factories). How about people who eat fast food every week? Please save the selective outrage.
You tried to argue from an analogy to water, but water isn't analogous to smoke, for the reasons I said. Your fast food example is better, and actually, yeah I'd agree that even a modicum of fast food is deleterious to your health to a slight degree. But I'm not sure we have proof of even that. Sugar and fast food might be perfectly fine in moderation. But re: smoking, I hope you don't mind if I just quote the Wikipedia article at you: "Smoking just one cigarette a day results in a risk of coronary heart disease that is halfway between that of a heavy smoker and a non-smoker.[55][56] The non-linear dose-response relationship may be explained by smoking's effect on platelet aggregation." One cig a day takes you halfway to the status of a heavy smoker for risk of heart disease?! That's quite to fast food and sugar, where a small treat a day might be perfectly fine.
Yeah he said some really odd things during this podcast. Not super familiar with the guy but there were some real head scratchers
@@acephilosopher9186We aren’t talking about cigarettes, most pipe and cigar smokers despise cigarettes and don’t recommend anyone smoke them. Cigar and pipe tobacco is free from the additives of cigarettes, the smoke isn’t inhaled, and the typical cigar/pipe smoker will only have on the high end 2-4 bowls/sticks a day. Stop mentioning cigarettes when that isn’t the topic of discussion, they were a modern corporate corruption of a centuries old practice.
This is one of the most insufferable, tea-totalling, high horse, morally superior comment sections ive ever read.
I am a Catholic, ive done a laundry list of drugs, including but not limited to Caffine, tobbaco, alcohol, and cannabis. Currently the only drugs i use now are tobbaco in the form of cigars, and caffine in the form of coffee or tea.
I drink caffine typically once a week, after Mass, in the parish hall with my fellow parishoners. I smoke one to three cigars per week, they are nice, classy, and end up feeling super "dialed in" when im about half way in. Very stimulating mentally and physically.
Coffee used to be forbidden by the church and caffine is also addictive, most people dont even know they are consuming drugs every time they open a beer or drink their morning coffee, or afternoon tea.
Get off your high horses people and recognize that you probably use drugs, of one form or another. Get over it, and use your drug of choice responsibly, with temperamce, and moderation.
Dont even get me started with the double standard that surounds cannabis and the Church, much of the Church still very much believes in "reefer madness".
Just my $0.02. Not that anyone cares, just wanna add to the conversation.
Ridiculous defence of a filthy habit
You sound vaccinated
@@isaachardaway I'm not actually haha, heavily against that poison too
When I was a wee little boy I was a vehement anti smoker but as I got older I noticed the disgusting hate and shame in the anti smoking propaganda. This caused me to consider "is it really that bad?" So I researched tobacco in general and considered exactly this, that cigarettes are harmful and that natural tobacco is actually not bad.
Not necessarily good, but the effects of the habit are ritualistic and mindful. Cigarettes are not mindful but additiction soothing.
So I smoke pipes weekly because it's time consuming.
And I smoke cigars with my father.
I introduced him to smoking and not the other way around 😅
third hand smoke- look it up - harmful to those around you that you bring in. If you are the cause of a pregnant woman, babies or children to exposure harmful chemicals then how can you say that is not a sin? This case is not a “you harm yourself in moderation” take. I’ve never had a good rebuttal to this point .
So serving people fast food or BBQ is sinful? after all, Both those things can have a negative impact on ones health. fast food can increase the risk of obesity and heart disease. BBQ Creates harmful smoke. Charred food has also been shown to increase the risk of various cancers.
Well you can just avoid smoking indoors near kids and others who don't want that in them.
Outdoors there is enough air flow that you won't be harmed, like being around a campfire. Indoors just don't smoke unless you are in a place made for that. Seems like an easy answer😊
@@roarkkaufman9339 that is not third hand smoke. You are talking about second hand
@@dt1458 it seems the solution is the same. Smoke outdoors or in designated indoors locations
@@roarkkaufman9339 people smoke outdoors all the time but smell of smoke, if you can smell it on their clothes/hair then they are carrying some particles that can be ingested by others if they get in close proximity- those particles of chemicals are what people are referring to when they talk about third hand smoking, and it is dangerous to pregnant women, and children - no matter the dose. That is why I will always say smoking is a sin. You are potentially harming people for your own pleasure.
You dudes are bonkers sometimes! The PWA Front
Porn in moderation?
I have no moderation for anything I've been using drugs for 50 years smoking awesome I have no willpower
This section of the video is the most dumb thing I’ve ever watched. This is the lies of two addicts trying to justify their addictions. If doses are what k*ll you then porn in small amounts if okay, robbing a bank and taking only what you need is okay, I think that before talking about a subject one should inform himself about it. I have been watching Pints with Aquinas for a while, and I have to say, not the topic I enjoy to listen to. Anyways l’ll pray for both of them.
No because pornography is a mortal sin, stealing is a mortal sin. Smoking tobacco is not a mortal sin, that is the distinction here that alot of people in this comment section don’t seem to understand.
I don’t understand, you understood the first part of my comment , but you have to use my examples only to response to me. You understand the idea of the example. The idea that it’s the dose that k*lls you is what I meant. I can use other examples if it’s easier to understand. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and should be respected. We as creations of God should respect what God has made, which is us, since man is made in the image of God. I understand that some of us enjoy smoking and enjoy it, but from personal experience and studies that i’ve seen I think it’s bad for you even in small amounts. First, because of your teeth, Second, throat cancer, Third, breathing problems like: asthma, copd. At the end of the day, we all have a choice.
@@AviloBruno It is no worse for your teeth than soft drinks or coffee, and proper dental hygiene really makes that argument moot. There is a chance of throat or oral cancer, yes, but if we were to avoid everything that could cause cancer then : but too much exposure to sunlight can cause melanoma and I don’t see you people saying that hikes are sinful. A pipe or a cigar is a beautiful meditative experience that sharpens the mind and prepares one for the day to come. And yes, most poisons are medicines with unhealthy doses. Opium based products are both wonderful pain relievers and also massively abused and when the dose is too great cause death. A cup of coffee contains a small amount of caffeine, you consume an ounce of pure caffeine you will die an extremely painful death. A glass of scotch or wine is a wonderful experience and a great way to share company or celebrate an important event, a bottle of the same substance will have a less pleasurable experience. All things in moderation puritans are so high and mighty that they would feel scandalized by reading sacred scripture.
Also you used examples that miss the point, comparing a mortal sin, to an activity that isn’t even sinful to begin with is a prejudicial argument that shows how weak your position is. Read some Chesterton, and understand that every activity has potential dangers attached to it. The potential harms from moderate pipe and cigar smoke are small and easily controllable with good health and hygiene, you are for more likely to die from eating a big mac a day than smoking a cigar or pipe a day.
The sin is in a habbit, not in a dose. PHIYSICAL danger is in the dose. Sin precedes it. If you can't stop absolutely unnecessary things, that keeps you focused on it and steals your time and becomes a stumbling block for others, then It is a SIN!!!!
If smoking tobacco is fine, so is smoking cannabis. Many suggest otherwise but are forced to engage in logical fallacies to support this erroneous notion.
Pipe smoker here! Enjoy what God has given us and the hands that provide those joys. Cigars and Pipes can be works of art that give us peace, hold on to em! For those who think it's bad, go talk to someone else because we've heard it all before haha
This dude is a genius. Well dun. Really enjoy Jimmy Akin. He's even got me thinking maybe animals are in "heaven." Word.
Ok - back to my Marlboros
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Why are we so obsessed with how terrible smoking is or any other thing we partake of in moderation.
Serious Question: Why is seeing the face of GOD Fatal to human beings ?
“you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Exodus ...
Id asume its becase of the sheer infinity of His holiness, even angels have to cover theyre eyes in His presence. Its overwelming.
@@1MDA So this Being is radioactive ? That means we could set up some equipment and energy spectrum detectors and STUDY this thing we call YHWH I AM WHO I AM.
@@SeaJay_Oceans Being Holy doesent sound to be radioactive. You van can cover it woth your hands surely it isnt radioactive.
Cigarette and cigar smoke is disgusting. Having lived with family members who consciously blew their tobacco smoke into my face as a child making me suffer from intense headaches and nausea along with detrimental health effects I may yet come to realise with age was selfish. These family members quit when I was an adult. Not only did their health radically improve, so did my ability to spend time with them without feeling profoundly ill. It’s helped us all. I could never advocate smoking because smoking doesn’t just impact the person smoking, it impacts everyone around them. Smokers are kind of just selfish and entitled in my opinion. No one needs to smoke, it’s just a plain vice that’s socially acceptable.
idiotic rationalizing vs moments before addiction hits
Coptic Orthodox are based on their views of alcohol and smoking. Catholics should get on board.
What are their views on the matter?
Basically highly discouraged but they wouldn't say it's sinful per se. They also have a low incidence of alcoholism as a result.
why run chance of addiction to burning yo lungs lol
”not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.“
Matthew 15:11 KJV . I’m sorry but I hundred percent disagree with you if you’re calling tobacco incense then you must call cannabis, incense, and again cannabis doesn’t cause cancer like tobacco does. One thing I don’t agree with you is that you disregard a tender herb that God himself speaks to Job about. which in fact could be cannabis or another herb.
I’m 100% Catholic I’ve made all of my sacraments I don’t listen to secular music I come home I tend to my cannabis plants and I fish.
btw they lived longer because the pipe smokers weren’t smoking tobacco…
Tobacco isn't mind-altering the way that cannabis is. Also, cannabis is far higher in tar than any tobacco. So, how does it not contribute to cancer risk?
Lmao, doobie dan. Thats a hilarious web name.
Ive talked to multiple priests about recreational and medicinal cannabis use, and have gotten mixed answers from all of them, one comparing its use akin to that of alcohol, meaning used moderately and practicing temperance. another is absolutely against it, another was somewhere in the middle.
Personally i think "reefer madness" is still very strong in the church, ive never seen someone from the church actually attempt to gather actual facts about cannabis. Just look online about if catholic cannabis use is permitted. For instance one priest i asked mentioned, to his credit said he was unsure, but said that modern strains of cannabis are 350-370 times more potent than the old stuff grown back in the 60s and before. Thats simply untrue not to mention impossible. If landrace strains have a thc content of 5-9% and the most potent modern strains hover in the low 30% range, thats an increase of potency of 3.5-6 times, an order of magnitude lower than what he said. This isnt to knock that priest, its just to say that i think alot of catholics are not informed on the topic.
I gave up weed for lent and honestly its been really great, not sure if i really want to use it again. But i certainly dont knock the occaisonal user for partaking in moderate amounts, avoiding getting "stoned" but more of a light buzz similar to alcohol.
Alcohol consumption makes me feel very ill, even after consuming 1 or 2 beers. I havent drank in excess since i was about 22-23 and got nasty sick. I was a daily weed smoker for sometime, definitely abused it, however ive felt very connected to God while smoking cannabis at times too.
Who the hell knows, i certainly dont, neither do any people who act like they are "morally superior" for not smoking marijuana, using tobacco products, or drinking alcohol.
Coffee used to be banned by the church until a pope (i forget which one) tried it. More people are addicted to caffine than nicotine/tobbaco, and cannabis combined if i had to guess. And if they tried to quit their caffine addiction most couldnt.
People need to get off their high horse and stop judging people for silly stuff like their drug of choice, we all do drugs some are just more socially acceptable than others.
Jimmy Akin, the king of common sense.
Jimmy sort of dodged the question from Matt. How many times a day do you smoke your pipe. Jimmy replied, he doesn't count. He could have said, one, a couple, a few, or I lose count.
That being said moderation (the dose) is what counts. Being in the LA area, I fbelieve it is far more dangerous to be stuck in traffic on the 405, on the way, to or from work.
I believe cigar, pipe smoking, and chewing tobacco are highly discouraged because they are known to cause mouth and throat cancer.
They do carry a risk for oral cancer, but good dental hygiene and general fitness are good ways to offset that.
I love this channel but i dunno. I feel like videos like this will cause people to fall of the wagon. And if that goes it may be a slippery slope, much like falling into sin. Not saying it is sinful, just the similar concept
I’m sorry to say, but I feel like smoking is a sin in that there is absolutely no benefit from smoking-only harm. People often bring up Tolkien and C.S. Lewis to justify smoking, but they did not have all of the information that we now have and therefore smoked in ignorance. Now we know that smoking offers absolutely no benefit and only harm. Yes, it is bad to drink too much water, however a right amount is necessary to live…(there are redeemable qualities, etc.). Thanks and God bless!
This whole debate is so frivolous and unnecessary. Do things in moderation and use common sense. Jesus drank alcohol, but never enough to compromise his mental state or health. Same you would assume goes for smoking. Cigarettes are different because they do actively cause damage. But tobacco smoke you don’t inhale really doesn’t cause damage. I feel like this whole debate came up with people who smoke weed. Weed actually has more tar than cigarettes.
More likely to become an adict if you partake in the action. Why risk it? You have a right to risk your life, but dont expect to be taken seriusly when we are trying to live our life and inform each other of what is harmful.
@@1MDA I agree, but I understand the logic of doing it and using common sense as well. I don’t drink or smoke, never have. Don’t really plan on it either.
He compared smoking to incense? 😂
This is why I stopped watching this channel.
Ridiculous I know.
Yeah. I don't know where he got that. It ain't incense. And it never was. Also, the notion that it's OK to smoke if only you don't inhale is also silly. I used to smoke - inhaling was the reason why I smoked. Inhaling is the very thing that makes the drug work. It's why people smoke. Saying "just don't inhale" is like saying it's OK to drink whiskey, "just don't swallow it." Utter nonsense. The guys that started the whole smoking craze - our dear friends, the American Indians - gave their guests tobacco and, when asked how to use it, said, "Just inhale it. You'll love it! And there's plenty more where this comes from. Enjoy!"
True, this channel has no grip nor atempts to seek truth. They hapend to hold some good points, but its like they were born with it instead of reasoning towards it, making them succeptable to bad takes, since its theyre wim.
Now if you took that hour you spend with your cigar relaxing and instead dedicated it to prayerful meditation and maybe a rosary or two you'd decrease your cancer risk and your blood pressure.
I thought virtue signaling was a leftist thing?
Was a joke dude. Calm down. Plus every side virtue signals lol
Lot of this going around lately. Smoking cigars is cool we get it guys, it’s still not only bad for you but a sin. You are willfully harming yourself
If smoking a cigar is sinful than so is having a BBQ
@@acertaingreenvegetable8641You are geting there. Maybe youll discover that gambling is bad to. We aint perfect but stop arguing IN FAVOR of harmful stuf.
@@1MDA Getting where? Gambling in moderation isn't sinful. Unless you can give me a bible verse or church teaching that says otherwise?
@@1MDA I really literally argued for alcohol isn't a sin in my youth group when i was 20 years old lmao. I'm 21. Last year I remember doing such weird words coming out of my mouth and the man holding bible simply looked at me funny 🤣😂. Funny then now I feel 😅😜 convicted. Yup 😁 didn't go back 🔙😔 to that specific youth group..mostly because there was some guy that hated me for no reason and was an a hole idk why I guess he was born or made that way ill be generous and say born but either I left as I realized I didn't belong there but hey! I wasn't sad I was sad for wasting my time there! And I left ⬅️◀️ to look for God the son else where! After 2 other youth groups I'm in my 3rd one in less than 2 years. I'll feel like I gotta go to a 4th one because this one has the attitude of a protestantized youth group because of the lack of practicality of the faith which as a young man I need more than complicated theology. So anyways yeah that guy's justifying his sins. It's sad for anyone to do so not merely him one person doesn't make me sad. Because my mother tells me masturbation isn't a sin and she has been convinced by the female famous psychiatrist/psychologist famous in Spanish world 🌎🌍 that masturbate is a way of knowing the human body wether you are biological male or female. And I don't get angry 😠😡 then but i was firm and told her it's wrong and weird view 🪟. And she stuck firmly. Some people hold psychological pseudo soft science as their God and worship it practice more than they practice Christianity and worship Jesus Christ. It's weird because I think that description is true of my mother. And I've prayed for her by my only BIG sins are wrath ,lust, gluttony, sloth. One is already too much. But wrath and lust are my main ones. I almost feel and see as though I am it's pet and slave to it lust and wrath are my owners and I obey them. I couldn't find anyone holy ENOUGH and higher to where I could feel their santifiying grace from God. I've sniffed holy smells before from father Charlie and friar From there Christ king Catholic. Church..I feel very miserable. I'm a desperated. And desire abandoning my nest I've not left since I was a boy. I've only ever gone to Texas.. United statesians. And Mexico couple states there. But I'd like to cross continents. And go to holy places where monks lived such as Russia 🪆 specifically obviously at holy Orthodoxy churches. Where it's really cold ❄️ 🥶. I shower 🚿 with cold water. And even then the lust doesn't showed off ..compared to butter and grease. Those shower off easy when I scrape them but compared to lust. Lust is the ultimatum of evil butter for me that's very tempting and it looks delicious but only when I'ma already sinning again do I remember how pathetic and miserable I am. I don't believe saints exist im america. So I'll go abroad. I believe exorcists could also get the job done. But I'd hate to see my faith fail me there. Because I lack faith very deeply currently. I just hope I'm not going to hell. That's why I can say alcohol and smoking is bad because I've admitted in 2023 that truly in December I drank alcohol to make myself feel good and numb my sins paining me for a few seconds of course if obviously felt sooook gooodd I can't lie until it wore off after an hour more and the alcohol itself tastes disgusting bleh. I just felt fleeting joy 🍾🍻😌🥴not from taste. But from feeling of lack of concentration and consciousness. 🥺😬😑😐. I have more faith in prayers than in the natural medicine. And any medicine. If a saint were to appear to me or Christ himself demanded my inclinations to sin be done I'd worship him with my body get married to Catholic Orthodoxy woman and have my children worship him too. I'm a virgin which is surprising. I'm attractive at least on the surface. But I have fungus and rotten teeth which the teeth I don't really care for. So I hope there's a not shallow woman out there. But a saint for me to marry woman Now after all suffering has fell upon me I shall respect the male body as if it were not my own but given to me by God father ❤️ 😢😭 I definitely deserve hell 💓 especially whar ive done and seen which id be surprisdd if a human i tell also wouldnf be surprisdd. But I know God see all lfhe degenerate crap I've seen with my eyes and done. Gratefully I believe at least that maybe God has kept me from sinning fornicate preventing me from giving away the male virginity like as if it were candy 🍬🍭. That's something I'm happy for. Now I do hold hope that I also can hold in my arms a virgin woman when I marry her. But that cannot be done without major holy true Christ follower praying for me! Amen God bless yuo
Yeah a bunch of excuses lol I get it but allowing “alittle bit” can open the door that the enemy is waiting for. It’s a habit that’s not needed and can be dangerous. Water is an essential . Smoking isn’t