Heated Debate on Pornography w/ Dennis Prager
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Chapters
00:00 - Discussion about Jewish and Christian views on adultery
06:35 - Sexual desire and lust can be distinguished, but it's okay to have some objectification in sex.
12:21 - The pornification of society is a scary thing
18:12 - Pornography perverts the natural end of sexuality and is a difficult thing to define.
23:22 - Pornography is a slow poison to a marriage
28:40 - Objectification of a spouse
34:38 - Pornography and masturbation are controversial topics
40:01 - Masturbation and pornography are considered disordered as they take a natural act and thwart the end of it.
45:33 - Make love outside the bedroom and have sex inside the bedroom. - บันเทิง
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If you're a TH-camr, make a response video to this one. Critique what I did poorly, articulate what I could have articulated better. Pornography is evil and never acceptable. Let's shout that from the mountain tops while showing kindness and compassion to those who are currently ensnared in it. Freedom is possible.
He’s going to hopefully come around. You can’t defend the indefensible. Pornography is something that promotes deviant views of women, takes God out of the sacred sexual union of a man and woman and destroys families. Period.
I can't see how anyone could fault you here. You did superbly well, Matt. I'm proud of you.
@@jeffgough I have done it... its realistic and its entirely possible to turn of all sexuality when its not for Procreation or with ones Wife. People think things are impossible only because of their view on the topic... all things are possible with God... And trust me... the freedom from it... I am Married and we are so happy..... without Sex! ( We hug and show that affection physically yes) . The fact I am able to ... just proves... we do have self control and abilities that are powerful.... we cannot say we dont and then make things "Ok" because of this or that.... an excuse if you will.
Humans as a whole and im not judging you or pointing at you... im saying generally.. people are good at making excuses for lack of control. It's a human trait.... But when you have something powerful to live up to from Gods Laws... I tell you this... Anything is possible...
Every man has access to learn how to control himself... it's not for specific people only.... it's free for all. Believe me .
@@jeffgough if you're at an age where your wife has alzheimers, your lust does not need quenching in the same way a verile young man's does. Matt is right. It's a sin and there's no excuse. We can't say it's OK for this person or that person to do it, but not that person. Its not alright full stop.
I'm very much ensnared (good term) in it. I'm hopelessly addicted to it and have been for so many years. I'm married, although not a Catholic marriage ( which we are going to put rihgt ) please have understanding and compassion for those of us that have this disease. I use pornography and I'm trying to be a good Catholic. I don't list after a beautiful woman on a train and then masturbate. I use this to deal with life. I need prayers
This really opened my eyes to how conservativism, without the light of Christ, cannot be the solution to our problems.
I'm so happy for you 💝
Amen
This statement sums up it very nicely. I might still the quote. 😊
Absolutely.
Our politics cannot save us.
It is by Christ alone and through him our politics can have a morally acceptable foundation.
Please explain what you mean by that.
This discussion is a great example of why I'm moving from Judaism to Christianity.
@@NorthCountry84 Thanks, I'm still undecided as to Protestant vs Catholic vs Orthodox, but keeping my mind open!
Praise God. Happy to hear that.
youngKOkid, I have been a longtime listener to Dennis' fine radio show--he is a real champion of truth and goodness in many outstanding ways. But he finally always failed me when the discussion turned to human sexuality. I came to realize he had some kind of global error in his thinking. I am guessing that judaism includes no account of natural law. If you do not think things have inbuilt-nature and inbuilt purpose, then there is finally no way to know if you are rightly using the thing--in this instance, sexuality--or abusing it. Judaism is the preparation for Christianity and Western Civilization from which we here--and the world--have benefited. Christianity knows--through Aristotle through Thomas Aquinas--that virtue is honoring the nature of whatever thing we are considering, its design and purpose. And vice is using a thing for other than it was designed for, or contrary to its design (sodomy being an example in sex, lying an example in speech, bulimia an example in eating, etc). With thanks to Judaism and the Old Testament, I encourage you to keep coming, for Christ made all things New.
Praise Yeshua! Wait until the Revelation clicks, then you will have no trouble accepting Jesus as the king of the Jews and the Gentiles.
Because you hate your own genitals?
The line, "if adulte adultery is the shot in the head to marriage, then pornagrphy is the slow poison..." really got me
Well it’s a apparently a very slow “poison” considering Prager’s parents would look at playboy together and were happily married for over 70 years.
@@imyourhuckleberry1040 Ans prager divorced thrice
@@alonsoACR Yeah and I’m sure they all divorced him because of the porn lol.
@@imyourhuckleberry1040 totally played a factor for sure
Having lived the life of a sexual deviant, I can promise you “it’s okay to make lust” is not a phrase I would tolerate in any church I’d be seen in.
well said, Dr. Strange Love
A woman once said "my husband doesn't mind where the hunger starts as long as I come home to EAT."
what say you to this?
@@thefacelessquestion3333 I’m not a hundred percent certain but I guess the analogy is saying “wether you love me or are just horny, so long as we have sex at the end.” If that is indeed what the analogy is referring to I’ll simply put it as this. Intent is everything. Matters of the spirit tend to revolve around the spirit. If an unmarried couple have not taken their vows, but truly love each other, they look upon each other with the grace and understanding of their Heavenly Father, and they express that love physically through sexual intercourse, I don’t see anything sinful in that. Inversely, if two people married twenty years, don’t talk to each other, don’t relate to each other, don’t even really like each other, but they both blow off steam by reducing themselves to base, primal, mutual masturbatory tools, there is something sinful about that.
@@DRSTRANGELOVEIN
I don't think Matt's gonna agree with your first thought of an unmarried couple with "great intent" being intimate.
I see your point tho
@@thefacelessquestion3333
You have a point as well, it might be that such an idealized scenario is virtually impossible because of our fallen sinful nature. I personally feel that in those blind spots is where grace falls. And we must have grace for each other as all of us fall short.
“What we once called hardcore we now call softcore; what we once called softcore we now call Netflix.” Straight facts.
Underrated comment
It wasn’t too long ago that polite society considered what’s now on Netflix to be hardcore.
This is true - but I don't think Matt Fradd has an objective standard for what he calls pr0n other than his gut feeling. He's really inconsistent on this point in all his material on the subject, and it frustrates me to no end. How can he say that the Sistine Chapel is art but the Victoria's Secret fashion show is pornography? By what standard?
It's not good to let our standards change due to culture, but when our standards are based on vague feelings rather than objective observations, they're gonna slide ans slide.
TRUTH
What we once called hardcore is now children’s TV.
"If adultery is the shooting of a marriage in the head, then pornography is the slow poisoning of it"
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It's a pretty cool quote, and I think I can accept some aspects of the sentiment, however in both parts of that quote, the gun is being blamed for the murder.
@@colasfalon6470 Interesting that’s how you see it, as compared to the gun and poison as tools used by the sinner. I see the tools as the clear means and not the deception
@@1guitar12 From your reply, I am not certain whether what precisely we disagree on.
If I might clarify, it isn't actually the "adultery" nor the "poison" that actually CAUSES the death (as the ultimate cause), but the individual's eventual need for the utilization of them. Perhaps a better analogy might be the farmer putting down a lame/sick animal, in which it makes no difference whether it is the shotgun or the arsenic...they are only a means to finalize that which was already inevitable. Nobody thinks that the shotgun or arsenic are evil (at their core nature) nor that those tools are the ultimate cause (even thought they are the proximal cause) of the animal's demise.
@@colasfalon6470 Yea I think we’re on the same page
There's just one problem: viewing pornography in the context of marriage is adultery.
We need much more of these conversations highlighting the MAJOR differences between Judaism and Christianity.
if you think dennis prager is a suitable representation for judaism... youre just projecting what you want to believe.
@@ilayohana3150 who said anything about Dennis prager? 🫵🤡😂
@@RRYYAANNK7 then you're just a 🤡 for writing this comment, the only differences between the two religions illustrated in this video are by Dennis. If you want to hear about Judaism say that, instead you said you want more of this accepting Dennis as a representative for Judaism. Get a brain
Speaking as a Protestant I have never encountered ANYONE who would say stealing a stapler is the same as child molestation. Clearly the Old Testament teaches us that different sin results in different punishments. What I hope those people were trying to say is that ALL sin separate us from God and we ALL need a saviour, regardless of nature or frequency of sin
I was about to compliment this exactly. The scripture does not imply petty theft is as severe a sin as murder. It does however imply ALL sin separates us from God making us totally reliant on the work of Jesus as you stated.
Sola fide brother
You’ve just explained the reason the Catholic Church has what it classifies as venial and mortal sins
Some sins result in permanent death and some sins only damage a soul, this is basic Christian doctrine and can be backed up by scripture.
"...pornography trains us in selfishness" Spot on Matt. Thats truly at the heart of the matter
people were already and will always be selfish. we use to get wives but literally just taking them.
@@humpteedumptee8629 That doesn't negate the truthfulness of the statement, sex shouldn't be selfish and neither should marriage. If it's all about yourself then you won't be able to maintain a lifelong relationship and the sex will be meaningless
@@tanislater6845 no saying acting like your not going to be selfless indefinitely is silly. that's why we have compromise. because people by default want things their way.
"...pornography trains us in selfishness" is people dictating how others should behave. I consume lots of porn, but I do lots of things for others without asking anything in return. I must be so selfish, right?
If my love and care isn't accepted because of some side activity, then marriage is a leash. Dunno how it's different from one person in the relationship telling the other what friends he is allowed to have.
@@nightmareTomek"Pornography trains us in selfishness" doesn't say anything about what others should so. It merely describes the effects of what someone has already chosen to do.
Now I see the difference between true Christianity and so called American conservativism. Well spoken Matt.
Really it’s mostly Judaism
prager represents judaism and neoconvervatism
sexual debauchery and degeneration of society is okay as long as we have da jobs!!! 🤡🤡🤡🤡
(((American Conservatism)))
American Conservativism = Neocon = Judeo-Christian = Judaism
The difference between lust and sexual desire is this: Lust controls you and can't be satisfied. Sexual desire doesn't control you and can be satisfied.
Both control you and both can be satisfied.
Well spoken!
@@imyourhuckleberry1040 Human experience says otherwise. I'm not sure why you would think that.
@@athanasius333 What you called lust here is actually passion and that is not connected to what the Christian Churches for the last 1900 years have condemned, namely sexual desire itself manifested by couples engaging without procreation in mind and self release (masturbation). The scriptures do not have such a concept of lust as used by the Christian church for 1900 years. Matt 5:28 does not speak of lust but covetousness.
@@SeekTruth-ts2hm I wasn’t commenting on Matthew 5:28 or the Church’s historic position. I was talking about the human condition and what we have learned about it. I suppose you could say I was backing up the Church’s position with additional information. Married couples can experience passion without the compulsion to have sex with others. Intense desire between man and wife is something quite different than that experienced by someone with a sex addiction or someone moving in that direction. I first heard the concept discussed by a Christian psychologist and it was based on his own research. My conversations with other men and some often-repeated observations have confirmed what I have said here.
Bingo! And there it is. He's justifying Playboy because his dad subscribed to it, and he viewed it as a teen. Hefner was a despicable man and by buying it, subscribing to it, viewing it, you are supporting it.
I think his dad looking at porn shows how you can desensitize your children to sex. This is exactly why parents are concerned about sexual books in the schools and libraries.
The easiest way to desensitize someone to sex is for them to have sex, then they realize how Meaningless it is
@@tesladrew2608So the act that creates human beings is meaningless?
Women with high body counts destroy their ability to form deep relationships. Because women often feel something for those they sleep with.
The problem too is that Dennis won't admit magazines featuring naked women are porn. It's a form of prostitution. If he thinks women in Playboy were just posing for photos, then he is either a coward that won't face the reality of the darkness behind it, or he has a serious problem with lust and won't admit it. Either way, he's not being honest with himself about why it's wrong. He is accountable to God with 613 laws and yet he wants to manipulate his way out of lust. It's really quite gross behavior to be proud of yourself for behaving well socially, but dwelling in dark and nastiness inside of you. I don't want a husband with that kind of mind. I'd rather be single and pure.
@@nightmareTomek this is true about men too. I've rejected promiscuous men repeatedly. It's disgusting. It's also very unmanly for a man to use women in that way and it shows that he separates his mind from his body easily and he disrespects his own body just as much as the bodies of women he has casual sex with. Yet this is the role model men have been fed by the powers that be through the media. In reality, a lot of promiscuous men have trouble connecting with women in bed, secretly hate them and some of these men come out as gay later in life. Sad but true.
Thanks for loving me Matt & not lusting after me!! 😊
You truly are blessed to have Matt ❤
Why is this not a pinned comment?
Hahaha I saw this and didn’t see the name first and about lost it 😂
You guys are so awesome god bless you both
Beet comment.
Pornography opens doors to demons
Which ones?
I heard Father Jim Blount (Exorcist) say something similar.
Don't forget elves, witches, and vampires.
It wasn't ok with his mother. She felt forced to accept it
Or she didn't give much of a hoot about her husband and so didn't care what he did. Just because a marriage lasts for decades, it doesn't mean it was all that good.
Matt, thank you for having the courage to stand up for the truth.
You mean standing up for his opinion.
Thank you faceless stranger for sharing your own opinion of what you think that I meant.
@@KyleWhittington Haha yea, Nastrom is a number of posts on this video being passive aggressive towards posters who back up Matt, saying that Catholics can't defend their "opinions" on porn. I mean, as if Nastrom himself has properly written up a rebuttal (which, most likely, he hasn't).
@@richardhead-sw2qc In what way does it points to Jesus? This made me curious.
How is he “standing up for the truth?” God *created* male sexuality, it is totally normal, healthy and natural. Sick of this prudish and judgmental shaming of male sexuality. It’s so unhealthy, oppressive, against nature
This was like reading the dialogue between Christ and the Pharisees. Christ taught us that sin is more than the physical action it is also intent. Prager even goes as far to say that the intent is not sin. This conversation has shown me that a life lived without belief in the Incarnation is depressing because a man will spend his days justifying the evil he holds within.
Your work fighting pornography has led me to confronting addiction. Thank you very much
Amazing job Matt.
Well modern Judaism was created by the Pharisees.
Funnily enough, it is indeed a dialogue with a *literal* Pharisee!
Beautifully written, and an incredible insight.
💯 🎯 👏👏👏
Lol did you watch the video.
Also you’re probably not addicted to pornography. This dude is a charlatan convincing you you have a disease so he can sell you the cure. Hm just like Christianity.
The boldness and the bravery of the interviewer is convicting to me and I’m grateful for a wonderful example of it. It’s easy to stand against those who vehemently oppose it. I find it difficult to be bold against those we consider friends.
This is sort of shocking to me. I never dreamed Dennis Prager would hold a position like this.
Totally unsurprising
I’m not that shocked by it. Did you know that a rabbi owns PornHub? Look it up if you don’t believe me. Jews love pornography.
I'm not shocked at all.
He's disgusting I feel sorry for his wife
@@Sunshine-bh1ww I've lost respect for him.
As a man who has struggled with pornography in the past, the ever so slight justification of that addiction and those purely evil chains is, without a doubt, disgusting.
It's the 'ever-so-slight-justification' that leads one rolling down the hill to full-blown slavery.
For sure. Been there. Please God that I'm rescued forever.
Our behavior follows the thoughts of our mind. If you can't win the battle in your own mind you have no chance curbing the behavior.
the only time it's considered an addiction is if it's getting in the way of your productivity, if instead you'd read a book or watch tv, you're not addicted.
Personally, when I stopped associating sin and shame with pornography, I was no longer really tempted by it. In that respect, regarding every gradation of porn as purely evil only adds to its power. It was never a really serious problem for me, so everyone’s different, but I think we can often take our own experience and mistakenly think that it applies to everyone.
The problem with Dennis' ideology here is that he's preoccupied with what he would consider evil and not what God considers evil.
This is the exact issue Judaism has had since time immemorial. All through the Bible, especially in the Torah, the Jewish people have tried to define what is good based one what they find objectionable, not based on what God, their God and the God of Christianity, considers good. This is why they struggled with idol worship and the punishments that came from it. This is why they were forced to wander the wilds for forty years, because they were more preoccupied with what they considered right than what God considers right. You can see this is Dennis' view as he doesn't view encouraging thoughts of evil things as being unacceptable, merely that they're less ideal than not having them.
given the bibles unclear and conflicting ideas - they have to be interpreted by man
@@malcolmfreeman7802 to which ideas are you referring to as conflicting?
@@MattFoote I've noticed, when pressed, no one ever has concrete examples when they mention things like what Malcom said about the Bible.
I don't think the purpose of this debate was to figure out what evil is. What I took from this debate is what is the best we can do as human beings, Not saints. I thinknthats where Denis was coming from. The other guy calling master--------- evil and saying people should control themselves while smoking and drinking is more than a bit hypocritical LOL. (I smoke and drink a bit also but)
I'm shocked! I didn't realize Dennis held such beliefs.
He's jewish
You wouldn't be so shocked if you had any knowledge of the talmud
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
I mean… he’s J-ish so this is pretty much right in step with what they believe.
You should check out the quote from Al Goldstein on why they are seemingly so prominent in the industry.
REAL eye opener.
Check out his animated video on adultery….I unsubbed after that one. I can tolerate a great many things, but I draw the line there.
Wow, this is an amazing discussion. So interesting. I don't consider myself religious, but I find these discussions very enlightening. Just subscribed.
I’ve never been more proud of Matt Fradd than right here in this interview. He didn’t soft-pedal. He grew such a pair and stood up for the faith so strongly. Most masculine I’ve ever seen him.
This is his playground
Dennis prager made him look like a brainwashed fool.
I agree! I wasn’t expecting much on his end but he really stepped up and stood his ground!!
@@gloryghassan1460 his years of working against porn really show here!
I mean. Matt's a masculine dude. I'm not sure why we’re setting the bar so low? I expected him to throw bombs
Prager seems to think the pornification of culture is evil, but doesn’t mind men indulging in porography… seems like cognitive dissonance. Terrific job Matt 🙏🏼 glory to Jesus Christ
@@Gt3ch The fact that Prager couldn't even define his position at all, just shows how much he's arguing on shaky grounds.
It's like saying I'm against abortion but only after 16 weeks, why 16 weeks? Because it's 'less bad' than killing a baby at 26 weeks, or 36 weeks. Just because it's 'less bad' doesn't make it not bad. But Prager was very hesitant to even calling the 'less bad' as bad.
@@Gt3ch fair. just, "it's less sinful, so eh whatever," is such a bad point, as Matt I think made clear. Especially when it can and often does lead to or involve such greater evils.
@@vizuz - so there are no gradations of bad or evil? Dante Alighieri, call your office!
@@vizuz I don’t know what you mean by saying he "couldn't even define his position at all.” Maybe you missed it? While the abortion example is faulty yes there are different levels of sin. Even Matt said there are varying levels to murder as patricide is worse than killing a stranger.
@@brendan.j.t Well yeah- they barely touched on a couple topics that really needed to be expanded more for their positions to be clearer. One is all the evils and damage related to the production, dissemination, and consumption of even the soft core images Prager is referring to. The other is the damage to the psyche and well-being to a person with a high sex drive that is getting insufficient sexual outlets - like his devoted father or a disabled/disfigured person who is unable to have a loving relationship.
So where it stays is that they both agree on what is ideal. Frad is saying anything other than the ideal is intolerable and forbidden. Prager is saying life is messy and we are all sinners and there are circumstances of minimal harm where we should be charitable and be more concerned with graver sins.
With one word (No) Dennis Prager outed himself as a porn user, destroyed his career, reputation and brand. "There is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be made known and brought to light."- Luke 8:17
Believe it or not he’s not the only one in the world who watches porn. This didn’t ruin his career, reputation, or brand.
@@imyourhuckleberry1040it should, but the world is fucked right now. It will destroy his reputation to the following generations, who will look at this time with sorrow and regret.
@@alonsoACR If his reputation will be destroyed it will be for more than just his views on porn. The world is absolutely fucked up. But to attribute all the evils of the world to pornography alone is just silly.
Dennis Prager‘s view on animated child pornography it’s absolutely disturbing and disgusting and I lose all respect for his views moving forward. Absolutely amazing how one man can destroy his career and followers in one. Stupid sentence.
Yeah that was a bit clinical and warped how he put that. It’s not even scriptural what he was saying anyway. Isaiah 14 condemns evil thoughts. So does the 10th Commandment. Just goes to show how trying to be about the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law can and inevitably will begin take away jots and tittles from our understanding of it.
Thanks to Dennis for coming on the show! But Matt, thank you for defending the truth that porn is sinful and harmful to our souls and it’s perpetuation of evil beyond ourselves
He actually cared about how it would hurt his wife instead of feeding his lustful desires. I was attracted to women since age 12 (bisexual) I prayed and prayed to be set free. I am free from this sin. We should not give in to our sins but pray for help to overcome. Jesus has the power to help us overcome sin. Prager cannot tap into this power as he doesn't have the Holy Spirit, he is a fleshly man, a natural man. The natural man is an enemy to God and cannot know God. The Holy Spirit however, can make a new heart in us, and now there are ads of naked women everywhere, and I have no lust. It's just looking at a sister. Thank God i'm free from that sin.
He absolutely bodied prager
@@rosehannah4845 Thank you for having the courage to see the error of your ways instead of seeing it as an identity like the world wants to teach.
My wife and I just watched this video together and couldn’t be more proud of the amazing responses Matt gave Dennis. Thank you Matt for defending women dignity and the sanctity of marriage .
At what point Dennis didn’t not defend women dignity and sanctity or at what point he showed the opposite?
LoL.
Meanwhile your wife is cheating behind your back.
I think Dennis' comments about his father's magazine subscription were off putting. But other than that, he never said it was OK to treat a woman in an undignified way. The Catholic unwilling to please his wife in a small way seemed undignified. Keep in mind, there was no mention of kink or any kind of immoral behavior. If a young man about to get married watched this, I think he might walk away confused by the Catholic's arguments.
@@Bluemoon98-2 The part where he defended porn.
@@ZapparoniWorks
I will watch it again to see where he defined port. ..I do not think k he did .
The second guy kept referring g to everything as porn and sin.
Where Denis makes distinguish netizen. Levels, not because he think some porn are okay ..because in realty you have to choose what to go after .
It is not fair to say he demanding work or because the second guy think everything is sin..he on the other hand hero the defend women dignity.
I lost some respect for Prager after this conversation. Not only did he come off as very misogynistic, which is not a word I use often, in the way that he summed up that "men love women and women love a man" as if women aren't capable and don't often also get tempted sexually by other men, but he also just seems to be defending something because he personally does it. Women can sexually desire other men outside of their marriage just as men do, women just (sometimes) seem to be more in control of themselves. I wonder how he'd react to knowing his wife also desires men outside of him. I feel he would think differently of that.
It's interesting that young men seem to have a much more profound and deep understanding on the dangers of cornography than older men typically do. Growing up we were told it was wrong but nobody ever told us why or explained it to us so we disregarded their warnings and now we are suffering the consequences firsthand. I believe a sign of a great wife is one who is not afraid to take a strong stance against this
Matt crushed this - great job, very impressed with how articulate Matt is.
YOu mean how smart he is
Articulate? Smart? With all this cigar smoking?
I am a marriage and family therapist and the damage of porn on marriages can not be overstated!
I can imagine. From every angle-- psychological, neurological, social, moral, ethical... there's just no defence for pornography.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 Correct, there is no coherent moral defense for porn. Sadly, the sweeping normalization of porn has made it appear to harmless even to people of faith. And in faith communities that are reluctant to speak and shroud sex and sexual issues in silence and shame, porn is both rampant and wildly destructive!
Thank you for saying this.
@@AI-lr9sb my pleasure. My clinical specialization is sex and sexuality. Not that many of us about, so I feel obligated to be vocal.
Which is worse than a sexless marriage where a woman withholds sex?
Phenomenal performance by Matt, this entire conversation felt like Dennis trying to distance himself from positions that he does hold, and Matt not letting him get away with it. Well done
Absolutely. It must have been a huge embarrassment for Prager knowing he's the guy who is defending wanking to porn (even in the cases of nonces viewing animated CP 🤮) and not the guy who is trying with all his might to be heroic and virtuous.
Why does anyone listen to Mr. Prager? He is a liar, following his father, satan. It is not gray! He is not a child of God.
Yes! Dennis was doing 'okay ' until the end.
Might be time for him to leave the memory of
his doting mother and amoral father,
and cross the Tiber.
Pornography should be absolutely avoided.
From my personal experiences, it's toxic and good for nothing. Nobody should touch it.
@@ML-rd6ci Thank you so much for The Truth.
This was excellent! Thank you!
I've been listening for 5 min and subscribed. Dennis displayed the typical human being's mental gymnastics of justifying themselves in thoughts and behaviors vs. Justification through Jesus's finished work and then letting The Holy Spirit guide you in love in all your relationships. What a stark difference. He can't seem to make the connection between lust and what it can lead to.
Also, I appreciate your steadfastness in confronting his loose position that doesn't seem to be based in any teaching. The way you described sex as God designed is biblical and beautiful and Dennis misses it. So, he can say Man lying with another man is wrong but not other sexual immorality. You handled this topic, and every point he made seamlessly, staying true to Christian values as outlined in the Word.
Matt, everything you've said here is spot on. My husband had an adulterous affair last year, and it was largely due to, I believe, his lifelong addiction to porn. It was slowly poisoning our marriage for years, until last year when he finally acted on those desires. Our marriage is falling apart, and I am completely heartbroken. Porn destroys men and then it destroys families. That's a hill I will die on.
My heart breaks with you, I'm so sorry you have had to go through that.
So sorry, Jessica. My first wife was an adulteress. I'll pray for you and just know that you will heal. It will take time and it is not fun, but you will heal.
I am so sorry, Jessica. You will be in my prayers.
Praying for you, sister.
Well said
MATT. THANK YOU. SANITY.
As your average woman in 2023 who has been scathed by pornography in my life and marriage, I think by just hearing Matt defend the dignity of women and children, I have healed more from this interview than I have in years of therapy. THANK YOU.♥️
Well said!!!!!!
@Upper Class Homosexual many of the women and individuals in porn are being trafficked and abused.
@UpperclassHomosexual what??? Porn makes people rape kids, only you don't know cause most of the kids don't talk. All this perversion if it didn't exist we wouldn't have all this different sexualy perverted ideas such as gender ideology. I was 4 years old when I found my parents porn you can't come back from that. Porn is evil. Too much musterbation castrated me no longer can have a decent orgasm. Not to mention the fact that I grew up thinking I was into girls and I was in a wrong body. I blame pornography for destroying innocence and families
@Upper Class Homosexual that's untrue. Porn increases sexually deviant behavior. This is what studies show. This is what Bundy confessed to.
You're creating a false dichotomy to defend the porn industry. Stop spreading lies
You’re joking right? If you think porn is bad how can you not have a problem with a religion or it’s scriptures that have caused so many innocent people to be killed for the most ridiculous reasons for over 1000 years?
Do you have any idea how much damage was done by Christians when they burned down the library of Alexandria in the 4th century and flayed the women there to death because they were studying “witchcraft”?
If you think the modern religion these guys represent is anything close to what the scriptures actually say it’s supposed to be and how it was for well over 1000 years until the enlightenment and secular revolutions started making people sane again. From the people of Salem demanding the clergy stop killing what we now know to be innocent people, to the ending of slavery, and now the pope even saying the religion actually doesn’t have a problem with people being gay or getting married and joining the church after 1700 years of persecution and violence towards them…. All while the scripture remains the same, with all those death penalties still there, including simply for being gay and the commands for believers to enforce those laws or be sent to a lake of fire… It should be obvious by now to anyone who cares enough to actually learn about the religion and it’s history that it’s very much man made and the drastic changes over the past four centuries has been on a public level with the churches then eventually jumping on the bandwagon at the tail end while claiming to have been those directing the change… Even though it’s obvious they do so only after kicking and screaming and while it directly contradicts what their own god supposedly says in their scripture.
Participating in support of pornography in any way is an act or behaviour.
Mr. Prager:
Won't drive a car on the sabbath.
Subscribes to Playboy.
Prager: "Here's an emotional example."
Also Prager: "Don't bring up emotional examples."
Prager: "I'm not advocating porn!"
But then he's saying porn is ok🤷♀️🤦♀️
Gradually i began to hate them
@@mariapankrath5845 The tribe always advocates for porn.
It wasn't an emotional example. He was asking Matt what the husband should do in that situation.
“I think that pornography trains us in selfishness“ bravo, Matt!!! 👏👏👏
Christ made this clear in the Spiritual interpretation of "Thou shalt not commit adultery." It is selfishness.
@@thecarlitosshow7687literally nobody here advocated for adultery. Masturbation is not adultery. How absurd
@@bluesdealerI wouldn't call it adultery, but it's still a form of sexual misconduct in a marriage.
I think that female emancipation creates the need for pornography’
great debate! Matt, very great stance and points as always!
Well done Sir!! Your wife is a very blessed woman to have you as her husband!! We need more men like you with a strong and fierce Christian faith! 🙏🏻🕊️
Amen! Agreed. This really increased my respect in Matt and his ability to have a heated, respectful discussion while maintaining his convictions for moral truth.
This debate really makes me thankful for Aristotle and Aquinas as logical powerhouses for framing these debates. Matt thanks for being so humble and letting the Holy Spirit work through you. I’m praying for Mr. Prager that he has his Damascus moment.
He’s not humble at all. He’s dogmatic and prudish. He’s a busybody.
AMEN!
can you provide some literature to advance your point?
" I’m praying for Mr. Prager that he has his Damascus moment." -- And I am praying Christians will come to their senses and focus on the real evils of the world and not about men having sexual thoughts.
@John Nastrom as summarized by Mr. Fradd: porn, lust, masturbation, and improper use of means is the evil with varying levels of morality. Not “sexual thoughts” in general. There is a difference.
They discuss ordered sexual nature between married man and women.
I am an extremely loyal Pints fan. Watched every episode. While I appreciate Matt always erring on the side of charity, I am absolutely thrilled to see him embrace some confrontation here. What an absolutely splendid defense of God’s commandments. This has finally swayed me to become a paid subscriber on locals.
Welcome to the club!
Confrontation is not contrary to charity. In fact, in our society, we err so close to the side of niceness that we are often uncharitably leaving our brothers in their sin to wallow and fester. Shame on us.
@@anzot6903 Well-said. However, I don't think he meant charity. There's a better word for it somewhere. Agreeableness? 🤔
"on the side of charity" -- i.e., on the side of wishy-washy pious-sentimental bullshit? He's a good host, could be a better philosopher.
@@MeanBeanComedy Charity means love. Love of God for his own sake and love of neighbor as ourselves. I'm assuming he's using the word as Catholics use it.
This was a great interview, very nice!
Honestly it’s dialogue like this that me and my fellow gen z fellas are craving for, most of us are honestly growing out of the old material on YT all the pranksters and gamers, a lot of zoomers still like that but honesty I’ve noticed a lot of dudes in my generation moving into podcasts like Pints with Aquinas
Matt, this was a perfect example of humble, loving correction. You sacrificed your social comfort and potential strain of friendship for Dennis’ good. Thank you for modeling this.
Matt I’m an Evangelical but thank you so much for defending purity!!
Why do you feel the need to proclaim that you are an evangelical?
@@DFMoray Perhaps as a sign of sincerity, and not just blind agreement like some of us Catholics might give?!
In Christ,
Andrew
No real particular reason, other than to say I wanted to lend support from someone who is representative of another body within the Christian world. I have a ton of respect for Dennis Prager but I think Matt was rightly pointing out that Jesus was always seeking to point out that sinful actions always originate in the heart so he went deeper than just trying to modify sinful actions. But certainly I didn’t mention that I’m an Evangelical as a means of any opposition to Matt as a Catholic.
@@DFMoray Maybe to show people from different backgrounds can agree on things without subscribing to one particular denomination or worldview.
Prayers
This discourse is an embodiment of the absolute fact that the term "judeo-christian ethics" is a figment of the mind.
Por supuesto la ética judía no tiene nada que ver con los cristianos
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I am so happy to have found your channel. New and excited subscriber here!
This interview makes me so grateful for Catholic teaching, especially regarding the dignity of man. Great job Matt!
Before converting I used to listen to Denis Prager and Alison Armstrong answer these questions ( and I consumed all Alison's Understanding Men products). I cannot tell you what untold damage their advice did to my new marriage. We are still suffering from the trauma of it. Thanks be to God for the teachings of the Catholic Church. Let us pray for their conversions so that they stop wounding women and men and destroying marriages with their dangerous advice.
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100% glad you found the Church and got out of that.
God bless you.
Terrific Show!!
Thank you for solid Catholic virtue clearly expressed in this public forum.
IHS
First time watching you debate very impressed. You just made a fan!
12 quotes from my book, The Porn Myth:
1. “This book rests on one fundamental presupposition: if you want something to flourish, you need to use it in accordance with its nature. Don’t plant tomatoes in a dark closet and water them with soda and expect to have vibrant tomato plants. To do so would be to act contrary to the nature of tomatoes. Similarly, don’t rip sex out of its obvious relational context, turn it into a commodity, and then expect individuals, families, and society to flourish.”
2. “Which activity sounds more ‘mature’ and grown-up: making love for a lifetime to one real flesh-and-blood woman whom you are eagerly serving and cherishing, despite all her faults and blemishes (and despite your own), or sneaking away at night to troll the Internet, flipping from image to image, from one thirty-second teaser to another, for hours on end, pleasuring yourself as you bond to pixels on a screen?”
3. “In a letter to a friend, Oxford scholar C.S. Lewis offered some insights about masturbation. He said that a man’s sexual appetite is meant to lead him out of himself, to lead him into being a self-gift that both completes and corrects his personality-first by sharing whole-life oneness with a lover and second by procreating children. With masturbation, however, the appetite is turned in on itself and ‘sends the man back into the prison of himself, there to keep a harem of imaginary brides’.”
4. “Whatever we might say about the exact relationship of porn to sexual violence, it should be clear that in order for men to violate a woman’s body, some part of them must first believe she is an object to be used rather than a person to be respected-and porn is quite possibly the most powerful means of delivering that belief.”
5. “Sex and porn addictions are realities, and just as with alcoholism or drug addiction, the label ‘addict’ does not excuse a person for his actions. Addiction is slavery, to be sure, but it is a chosen slavery. Addicts find freedom not by denying the power that porn has over them, not by denying that their addiction is real, but by admitting it to others and asking for help.”
6. “With the increasing availability of pornography has come an increase in the number of cases of sexual performance issues, such as erectile dysfunction (ED), among young men…A 2012 Swiss study found that 30 percent of males ages eighteen to twenty-four have some form of ED, and a Canadian study published a couple of years later reported that 27 percent of sixteen- to twenty-one-year-olds have this problem.”
7. “Married life no more cures a porn addiction than winning the lottery cures a gambling addiction. A person so trained on the pornographic experience isn’t merely after a good orgasm. He is hooked on the anticipation of what comes next, the rush of moving from one object of desire to the next, one body to the next, always looking to trade the one in front of his eyes for what he hopes will be the ultimate sexual experience.…In gambling, the addiction is not to the money but to the high that results from chasing the money. Giving a gambling addict money only fuels the habit, because he is addicted to the feeling that gambling gives him…Porn addicts are hooked on the high they get from chasing after sexual fantasies. The unrealistic expectations that are fed by porn are what carry over into and destroy relationships, because no person can live up to the on-demand, anything-goes sex depicted in movies. When faced with the inevitable difficulties of establishing and maintaining a human relationship, it is much easier for a porn addict to opt for the instant relief of virtual sex. Marriage will not fix a pornography habit, but a pornography habit will likely destroy a marriage.”
8. “Izabella St. James, one of [Hugh Hefner’s] former girlfriends, lived with him in the [Playboy] mansion for two years and shares in explicit detail the day-in, day-out happenings of Hef’s lifestyle in her book, Bunny Tales: Behind Closed Doors of the Playboy Mansion. Her description of Hef’s orgies is telling. The icon of sexual liberation needed Viagra, multiple women, and finally pornography in order to experience a sexual climax. If a harem of real-life porn stars isn’t enough to satisfy a porn-imbued libido, what makes us think an average woman can compete?”
9. “But what if the mechanics of arousal and pleasure are not the essence of better sex? What if the Big O of sex is not orgasm, but oneness? What if the best sex is about bonding and connecting to another person?”
10. “To help our children to grow up in a pornified world, we must take the double-pronged strategy of both protecting their minds and preparing their character…A child who never suffers the consequences of his bad choices will soon learn that he can get away with anything. A child who never learns to respect authority will soon come to believe that all rules and guidelines are nothing but arbitrary standards that can be discarded for any momentary pleasure. Such a child is ripe for porn when he stumbles upon it. This is why children should grow up in homes where there are clear rules and expectations.”
11. “One of the reasons many people find it difficult to break free from porn and remain free is that they confuse sexual desire with a craving for pornography. Whatever protocols you put in place to distance yourself from pornography, remember: the goal is not the long-term squelching of sexual desire. The goal is the healing of your sexual cravings so that you can pursue them in a manner that pushes you toward a healthy and satisfying marital relationship.”
12. “French novelist Virginie Despentes has reportedly said that consuming pornography does not lead to more sex; it leads to more porn…Porn promises freedom, but it enslaves us. It promises excitement, but it ends up boring us. It promises us ‘adult’ entertainment, yet it makes us increasingly juvenile. It promises intimacy, but leads to isolation. The good news is that freedom is possible and something so much better awaits us on the other side.”
im gonna purchase your book sir and Evangelise... I went through hell with it... i'm saved by the Fathers Grace .... time for me to carry and pass on the light to those who are indeed slaves to Porn.... Do Gods Will. It's high time we actually do Gods Will.
Wouldn't the best sex be that which attempts to create life, not just oneness with your partner? Or does onesness entail creating life?
@@mcspinixvids3875 When two people get married, each make vows to the Lord to love each other, want the best for each other and treat each other as themselves. A oneness with the Lord, a covenant, is created that day of the wedding. When the marital act occurs, oneness should be preeminent to honor the relationship, with the openness to the creation of life as secondary.
@@mcspinixvids3875 life created is a result of the oneness experienced
Not quite as snappy as Jordan's 12 rules but still good lol.
My husband was addicted to porn and I tried to justify it because it was hurting me and I didn’t know why. Now I understand why. When he looked at porn my thought were
“How can he be attracted to me when I don’t look anything like the women in porn that arouse him?”
“Why doesn’t he pursue me for sex? Why does he always go to porn before even asking if I’m in the mood too?”
“I’m not enough. He wants these other woman and I will never be able to look like them.”
“How can I compete with a buffet of women? If he wants a blonde, Boom there she is. If he wants big breasts, Boom there she is. I can’t be all of those things when ever he wants. I’m not a shapeshifter.”
Now as follows of Jesus Christ we understand why porn is wrong and he has taken steps to deal with his addiction. Our sex life is so much better now because he is treating me like his wife and not as an object for his sexual pleasure. We are satisfied with each others pleasure instead of just our own. I no longer feel like I have to compete with other women.
You should get someone that doesn't put porn and sex on such a high level. In reality is doesn't mean a lot and never used to. Only in a post ww2 era has pornography become what it is and made men into what they are..
Glad to hear
@@mikepastor.k6233 It's crazy for you to tell someone to leave their husband based on reading a short paragraph. Especially when it ends with them working through a problem and having a stronger relationship because of it. Never give advice based on the presumption you know better than them.
You sound like these guys, someone who loves to talk about their religion and how obedient they are at obeying it and it’s prophets while obviously not knowing really anything about what it actually says.
If you think pornography is such a problem for women then you really should actually read your Bible and what it says about women and wives especially. I mean, who are you to even judge him at all considering how clear the Bible is that wives are supposed to be obedient to their husbands? It sounds like you want to be treated like an equal or something like a partner….
I don’t understand why you and probably 99%, literally if not 100% of so called Christians in the west claim to be religious and a follower of Jesus and then so obviously live by secular laws in a secular society that literally means it impossible to live as Jesus says to. If early Christians were like modern “Christians”, they never would have had a problem in Rome, never would have been persecuted or fed to lions.. What makes that even sadder or more ridiculous is that they and the Christians from then all the way to around the beginning of the enlightenment and even modern Africa obviously obeyed much of the commands and laws in the Bible, even though they were mostly illiterate, while you and pretty much every single so called believers today can read the scriptures and yet instead of obeying the laws and commandments you all either completely ignore them or make the most ridiculous excuses and mental gymnastics as to why it doesn’t say what it actually says. Like claiming Jesus and the religion are peaceful, even though their history is soaked in blood and Jesus himself states he didn’t come to bring peace, but the sword, and to turn families against each other so father turns against son and mother against daughter… because you know, when he says he didn’t come to bring peace what he really meant was that he did come to bring peace and the sword was simply just a metaphor… It couldn’t mean what it actually says and what Christians actually lived by for 1700 years at least…
If you think porn is so bad why are you a member of a religion whose scripture says things like rapists should be punished by forcing them to marry the woman they raped?
Porn might not be the best thing, but compared to what the Bible says it’s nothing..
Also… Do you know what a father giving away the bride means at weddings? The Bible describes wives as literally being the property of the husband, the father is literally giving her away to the husband.
The same reason why before divorce was made legal and socially acceptable if a man wanted to get rid of his wife he could and would literally take her to the market and sell her to another man.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_selling_(English_custom)
Thank you for the content this presentation of perspective was very interesting
This completely changed my view on Dennis Praeger. Wow.
How so?
To Matt’s wife - you are beyond blessed to have such an upstanding guy who truly gets it. I pray his words reach every man on the planet! May God continue to bless and protect your beautiful marriage! 🙏🏻❤️
Amen 💜💜💜
Each person has their own challenges. I'm sure many husbands have a way that captivates others, however, I understand your point and I also appreciate Matt. Also, being fortunate to have a remarkable partner probably goes both ways! :)
Great job Matt! As a woman and as a wife, THANK YOU, for helping restore the sacredness of procreation and defending the dignity of women.
What about the dignity of MEN?
Circumcision is male genital mutilation and men don't even own their own penises.
We're treated like masochistic beasts of burden and many people do not even care - just seeing men as tools to use, and when they have dysfunctions, we shame and blame them.
Circumcision.
Genital mutilation.
It's misandrist mutilation that needs to be banned on minors.
The film, "American Circumcision", by Brendon Marotta, needs to be viewed en masse, too.
A preverbal somatic trauma, an adverse childhood event. Look up Dr. Peter Levine of Somatic Experiencing, Irene Lyon, Gabor Mate - what you do to babies matter.
This country mutilates boys' genitals then asks them to fight and die and sacrifice for it?
Men and boys are treated like slaves and boys are trained form birth to be masochistic blue pilled beasts of burden.
Mutilate a boy's genitals, then force him into Selective Service as an extra "thank you".
Such "Liberty and Freedom".
What bullshit.
Foregen is a biotech company that is reversing circumcision with regenerative medicine.
Look them up.
~12-14 sq. inches of densely innervated highly erogenous healthy tissue.
Over 6500 species of mammals have foreskins. These animals don't make soap, have running water or live in the suburbs - dogs, bats and whales do not suffer.
European men, Japanese men, the majority of the world's men do not suffer.
MEN SHOULD OWN THEIR OWN COCKS.
Circumcision is male genital mutilation, a human rights violation that degrades and reduces sexual pleasure.
Foregen, within the next year will have fully reverse circumcision with regenerative medicine. The underlying technology is already approved, phase 2 of 3 animal trials is almost concluded, phase 3 of 3 human trials starts soon, and well over $1 Million dollars and counting have been donated with many loyal monthly donors.
BOYS SHOULD OWN THEIR OWN COCKS.
Americans need to learn how to take care of intact baby boys.
They're not dirty.
The foreskin is fused to the head of the penis at birth, many in the USA do not know that, even healthcare "professionals", so they forcibly retract the foreskin and cause a tear in the baby boy's foreskin which is painful, causes bleeding, injury, scar tissue, an a higher likelihood of phimosis, inability for the foreskin to retract at a later age because of the scar tissue making the foreskin less elastic.
By age 7, 40% of USA boys have been forcibly retracted and injured! (Source: Intact America website)
AMERICAN IGNORANCE CAUSES FORESKIN ISSUES.
Europe knows better, they know that the foreskin is fused to the head of the penis until around age 10.5 on average, it is there to protect the penis like the girl's hymen protects her vaginal canal from waste products like urine and feces.
The foreskin is adhered to the glans head of the penis like the nail is adhered to the finger.
USA healthcare workers are NOT TAUGHT THIS, they are taught that boys ought to be mutilated because they are dirty.
American ignorance causes foreskin issues.
Further, the inside of the foreskin has the same cells as the inside of the eyelids, mouth and vagina - the inner mucosal lining.
You do NOT use soap, that disrupts the pH balance because soap is basic, and the inner mucosal lining is slightly acidic. This also dries out the inner mucosal lining and causes irritation and foreskin issues!
AMERICAN IGNORANCE from forcible retraction and the use of soap is the problem.
You only clean what is seen, and with lukewarm water.
Women do not use soap inside of the vagina.
Americans are ignorant about the male anatomy and most men do not know what they are missing in this country.
It's uncomfortable, but we need to end this garbage.
Defending the dignity? Women have continuously voted to do away with shame so that they could pretend to have dignity no matter how depraved they act.
Amen. He represented the Christian viewpoint well.
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We just need to stop women abusing their brothers by exploiting mens sexual weakness.. Why would a woman show herself naked to a brother? They knowingly exploit mens weakness for their own enrichment... That's not loving their brother, that's exploiting their brothers natural tendencies to want sex--Women should STOP IT!
So disappointed in Dennis. Lost a lot of respect for him.
When he cannot call pornography or worse "animated child pornography" evil, and uses all his intellect to negotiate this pure evil, that's when I look in his eyes and tell him his father is the devil and end the interview.
A very sad truth
Don’t think that is what Prager said or means. He said at the end, IDEALLY he agree with the host, he is just more realistic.
@@longwing2011 No. Realistic is knowing that animated child porn leads to real child porn which then leads to child rape. Stop trying to defend the Synagogue of Satan.
Yeah Daniel, I’m sure that will win him over.
@@longwing2011 Being realistic is to give up. Not a single realist ever in history has done any major change, because changes are based on ideals.
Idealism is the only thing that's worth anything if you want effective politicians.
I can assure you even 80-90% of men who watch pornography acknowledge it’s evil and feel ashamed afterwards. It’s why they hide it. Defending pornography as “not evil” is absurd. Seriously. Pray for those who are tempted.
its not evil.
no matter how much you imply it is.
its the shame ONTOP the compulsive behavior that makes people so exhausted they cant go find people to be in a relationship with
this shame alone makes it evil. because the evil is the undue and unwieldy restraint that leads yo a broken life.
the detriment alone is crippling, adding embarrassment upon, enforces a guilt- matrix so complex that alter egos are created to "appear" valuble, which guarantees the behavior by creating self-policed people who are operating within a society of restrict victorian codes (codes the aristocracy enforce and happily break and mock privately) repressing and falsely appearing to their friends and neighbors while they have a high sex drive, btw, unlike others who have low sex drives, easy to say its wrong when you have no dog on the fight.
furthermore the shame makes ones hide for fear of failure to live to the standards and so they adopt a persona that isnt aligned with their true drives all to justify a culture that benifits (rewards) those who are either good at lying about sex or have little to no sex drive
meanwhile the supposed Christian society is the highest consumer of sex
and its no mystery and the hypocrisy isnt suprising. because its all demonic to use the shame against each other but why is it necessary?
if a healthy life was within reach wouldnt it be affordable?
food, education, self-employment.
my point is not only is The US not Christian as it claims. but it is actively Satanic, demonic, and inhumane and sadistic to people who are uninitiated and outside of wealth
Meh, not in my experience: the ones I’ve known were proud of their “collections”, sharing it with friends, and coercing their female partners to re-enact what they saw in corn with threats of “I’ll cheat on you if you don’t comply”.
They don’t care. Now many of them openly admit they’d prefer secks robots and artificial wombs over women, even the conservative ones.
You never watch it and say yeah that was great. It’s shameful not because society deems it, but because at the root of it is pervasive way of looking at another human being. It’s reducing a person doing these acts of pleasure as an object for self gratification. The act of union is marred by one self satisfaction. Your are saying no to God by using a gift given to share in creation, to do as you please. It’s an abomination and those who do not see it that way have convinced themselves that their sin is not a sin.
@@pitfighter871It's still evil
It's evil & absurd.
My respect and admiration for Matt has gone through the roof. Not easy debating with Dennis and keeping it dignified and kind. Ultimately Dennis feels there is a place for pornography in the world, not so, its all evil. Well done Matt.
"pornography in the world, not so, its all evil" -- No. Why don't you explain what it is "all evil"? Because you can't.
@@johnnastrom9400 oh sure I can.
evil is a privation of the good. porn is evil because it preys upon the weaknesses of both the performer and the consumer to degrade them.
it degrades the subject, because it takes what should be private intimate parts of their life shared with someone who loves them to strengthen that bond, and turns them into a commodity to enrich others. by doing so, it inflicts further evil by deminishing that persons self worth, their reputation, and their future prospects. habitually making oneself the subject of porn causes a person to see their intimacies as cheep, and lose their sense of dignity.
it also inflicts evil on the consumer by preying on their vices and encouraging compulssive behavior which lkeaves the consumer more vulnerable to oither forms of exploitation. habitual use limits a persons will power, desnsitizes them to increasingly unnaturalk situations, and lowers their ability to endure hardship gracefully.
all of this is without even touching how ubiquitous human tarafficing is n the industry, or how many rapists and murderers report having been addicted to porn before doing anything illegal.
it's evil. just because you enjoy it doesn't make it acceptable.
I don't think he says it's good. I think he means context is more important. His definition of porn is quite nuanced.
@@johnnastrom9400 What makes you think the poster can't unless you see no issue with porn - in mainstream entertainment and online.
What about the Cerne Abbas Giant? Would that qualify?
Dennis is desperately trying to justify the sins of his father. He needs to stop looking at his earthly father for what is right and wrong; he should look towards his Heavenly Father. Looking at another person's nakedness while you are married is sinful.
Dennis is wrong on this.
Keep the discussion going, porn destroyed my life, please everyone, never tire of pushing back against porn. It's evil, pure and simple, full stop.
It hasn't been destroyed yet. You're still with us. Just wanting you to keep looking forward. Confession is invaluable.
@@canibezeroun1988 Thanks! Confession has been the game changer for me, I still live with tremendous guilt, but through friendship and a 12 step program, I'm working my way back towards the light. I appreciate your kind words, never stop being a positive light in the world.
@@Neb-ie5mj Totally understand about the tremendous guilt. Keep going!
As a young Catholic woman, I was very put off by much of what Mr. Prager said. He was very ambiguous and most of what he shared was just plain creepy. I am glad this debate aired so we now know how we can pray for this gentleman. Hats off to you Matt for defending the Catholic teaching and hopefully educating many who have been misled. God bless!
His poor wife. Despicable behavior. Jesus: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Prager needs repentance. His excuse that all men HAVE to have variety is unexcusable is not love for your wife. His poor wife.
@@rosehannah4845 Jesus also said "If your right hand should cause you to sin, it is better to cut it off and throw it away", "If anyone does not hate his father and mother and all of his brothers and sisters he is incapable of being my disciple", and "I came not bring peace, but a sword", so it's pretty clear that we can't take everything he said at face value.
@@johnnastrom9400 why would you tell a Catholic to watch the videos of an atheist Jew? All truth lies with God. Nothing factual can come from an anti-Christ in regards to Jesus, it’s just the opining of man. And if you say the apostles were just men, yes, but they were given the power of the Holy Spirit to continue the work of Jesus.
@@Thagomizer your point of scripture is completely out of context and understanding.
@@Thagomizer "If your right hand should cause you to sin, it is better to cut it off and throw it away"
Jesus is telling us to cut out sinful temptations and occasions of sin from our lives.
"If anyone does not hate his father and mother and all of his brothers and sisters he is incapable of being my disciple"
Jesus is telling us that following him will put us at odds with the world and even our own family. Sacrifice is a key principle in Christianity
"I came not bring peace, but a sword"
Jesus wasn't a hippy coming to spread the summer of love like many supposed Christians believe. What Jesus was teaching was such a revolutionary doctrine that it stirred up a lot of conflict and strife. Our Lord caused a great deal of commotion in Jerusalem. It turns out that a lot of people back then, and even to this day, are not ready to detach from sin, love their neighbor, or to bear their cross.
"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Jesus is warning us that indulging in wicked thoughts will put us on the path to wickedness. If a man constantly indulges lustful thoughts in his mind about other women, he is going to neglect his wife, or at the very least not treat her with the full love and respect that she deserves. He will have one foot out the door at all times, waiting for the opportunity to finally indulge in his lustful thoughts. And if a man is single, this is still sinful because indulging in lustful thoughts will tempt the man into sin. Deliberately allowing yourself to be tempted into sin is a sin in itself.
Calling a sinner an outlier is like calling a criminal a trouble maker. Thanks for the insightful discussion fellas
Damnit, Dennis, stop bringing up 60 year old magazines, we are talking about modern society!
Matt, you presented yourself with kindness, patience, and with charity. Thank you.
The "whose women do you want them to look at" is such an amazing response question for this.
I had to pause the video and that moment and laughed. Btw your user name is hilarious. My daughter said it should go down in history.
Exactly! That is someone’s daughter. Someone’s sister. To think that some women should be sacrificed and dehumanized for the sake of men’s desires is disgusting.
What if it's pictures and videos of your own wife?
@@alqoshgirl To infantilize women like that is incredibly patronizing. Eventually, your daughter and sister will become adults and think for themselves, make decisions on their own, and might find that they have different beliefs and values outside of the asexual prepubescent hinterland you'd rather keep them in, and might even find that they are all the better for it.
@@alqoshgirl Great comment.
I love that there is such open and intelligent communication. Even to go discuss he they define words to reach a more complete understanding.
Great GREAT discussion!!!… i’ve decided to subscribe to your page!
Matt, one of the things I love about you is how careful you are with terms. A precise use of language is delightful to witness.
That’s a funny way to call someone politically correct. He is. It’s really annoying. Obviously he is full of sh*t. No one who is PC isn’t
So Prager is basically saying he's primarily concerned with maintaining a nebulous, mediocre, and relatively neutral sense of "good". This is why I'm so glad to be Catholic, because we aim to be with the highest of highs, never satisfied with the neutral "good" of this world. And while some might say that is unattainable, we have clear examples of the contrary. Never settle, my friends!
Prager is literally modelling the Pharisees talking to Jesus by refusing to accept that God has updated the rules. Faith counts for a lot now, not merely action. He knows this to be true as he's effectively said it is an ideal but admitting it would be him converting to Christinity. Fradd mightve completely finished him off if he asked, 'Does God not want us to constantly pursue the highest ideals?'
As Catholics, our hope is to become saints. And we are definitely never called to be mediocre in the faith. I have not watched this yet, but in reading the comments, I can’t wait to hear Matt.
Your comment is awesome. Thank you for taking the time.
There are Jews who disagree with what Dennis Prager has said.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 That's comforting.
Love to hear the truth of our Catholic faith. You did well. Love this channel and it’s helping me. God bless ❤
Y’all have a huge blind spot when it comes to sex within marriage, though. To call even the use of contraception somehow “objectification” does not logically follow whatsoever. It’s a huge equivocation and Matt just glosses over it without acknowledging the flaw in reasoning
@@bluesdealer You're purposefully and actively going against God's will. If you block the process of creation, you are always rejecting the will of God in the sexual act. If you use contraception you turn sex into only an act of pleasure/bond and you get rid of God's ability to create and give life. It would be like giving a potter clay but taking his water so he can't use the clay to make a vase, you're purposefully trying to counteract God's will of creating.
Also every Protestant church always believed contraception was a sin until about the 1930s and the sexual revolution. Now almost no Protestants believe contraception is a sin.
@@bluesdealerread _humanae vitae_ and take a look at theology of the body
We're awfully consistent. Obsessively studious to make this so.
Prager clearly doesn’t understand the issue. He doesn’t understand sin. He doesn’t understand the definition of objectification.
I think he does understand objectification. I didn't hear any convincing argument from Matt as to why it's a bad thing in a marriage.
He does but he probably owns shares of a company that produces and distributes the content. He is basically presenting a "It doesn't affect me, so I am okay with it" argument.
@msptkp, great comment! You can add lust to the list. No husband lusts after his wife. Lust is for a thing which should no be done.
This was such an interesting debate to watch. As an adolescent, my first inclination with regards to p*rn was that there was something wrong with it. Our culture slowly changed my mind though to the point where I defended it to friends who thought it was wrong!
That also led to thinking hook-up culture was acceptable, marriage was bondage and a whole other host of wrong-headed beliefs. That was very much intertwined with my left-leaning political beliefs.
I only questioned all of this recently. It seems to be the Catholic views on the above are correct. My natural inclination was correct and hearing this debate has further solidified this for me.
Our society has cheapened the most precious gifts we can have as humans.
Thanks for the debate. These discussions are so important.
Carissa, so lovely to see you here in the comment section. Know that I'm praying for you on your journey no matter where it takes you.
@@PintsWithAquinas Thank you, that’s so kind. Your viewers have been so supportive too and I am enjoying the journey.
Matt- you are strong in heated debates. Don’t shy away from them, you did well.
I’m more and more impressed with Matt the more I watch him. He has such a gift for engaging in conversation and debate regardless of his own views. Here is he of course actually arguing his own beliefs as he disagrees with Dennis. However, Matt is also great as prodding and posing difficult questions to those he agrees with as well. He’s a great thinker!
He's strong because of the intelligence of his Faith
This was a very good conversation. Very intelligent way to discourse and disagree
Excellent and thoughtful conversation!
Dennis argued that he had seen his parents marriage going well despite his dad openly consuming porn. Does he really know what his mom had been feeling about it though? Or perhaps it's just that his mom never brought up how she really felt? I am highly skeptical that anybody could be genuinely fine seeing his/her spouse lusting over another person. They might tolerate it, but tolerating is different than genuinely being fine with it...
I guess all we can do is speculate. But I would assume that Prager would be in the better position to observe than any of us.
Cheers!
@@zapazap, you have really no idea how much hurt a woman can disguise for the love of a man…especially in the time period they would have been living…
@@OneSparrow-76 It is still sheer speculation that hurt was a factor in this case.
Also, is not 'disguising' here a species of 'lying'?
Cheers!
@@OneSparrow-76 Friends: it is not amazing how much a person can presume to know about someone they never met?
Cheers!
I had the same thought. A child is not equipped to really accurately observe the feelings of his parents. His mother may have tolerated it BECAUSE she loved her husband and simply didnt want to wreck her family. But as a married woman, I would struggle to believe any woman would really not care at all, Christian, Jew, or otherwise.
The amount of respect I’ve gained for Matt after watching this debate is unquantifiable
And the amount if respect I've lost for Prager is unquantifiable. I guess this is what it looks like when you approach right and wrong purely on the physical nature of "the Law" as opposed to having the Holy Spirit inside you.
The experts of other channels say that after scanning the brain, they found out the more men watch porn the less pleasure they feel from watching it.
because the receptors of the brain can not handle so much dopamine, so the pleasure receptors shut down.
It's similar to gambling or using cell phones.
The more you use it the less pleasure you feel from using it.
Therefore kids shouldn't play video games too often
because if the receptors of the brain shut down the kid feels great boredom.
so the kid feels no pleasure from other activities such as walking a dog or reading a book.
the pleasure shrinks to a maximal minimum.
They feel pleasure only at the beginning.
So no wonder that even their wife is not attractive to them because the pleasure centers and receptors of the brain are desensitized,
so they feel more bored after watching it. so a bored and demotivated person can not give so much care to his wife.
But as Cal Newport says the right type of boredom leads to productivity.
because of too much dopamine.
Or women probably also feel less attraction to men, because of it as well.
because their brain is craving other hormones
like oxytocin the hormone of love, serotonin, melatonin, etc.
or serotonin also increases from doing sports etc.
Or when two lovers are walking hand in hand in nature they probably get the pleasure chemicals
such as oxytocin, serotonin etc.
@asparapee4213 i wouldn't say I've lost respect for P.... he was very respectful in this conversation. And it's a necessary conversation. But yes, on your Holy Spirit comment. Pray for these men.
Same 🙌🏽 I’ve never heard of either of these men prior to this video link someone shared & I would go to matt for advice on anything & Dennis I wouldn’t trust even the slightest suggestion like a good song or movie. 🤮 Dennis makes my skin crawl.
Matt handled himself like a pro - and far outclassed Dennis in terms of precision, logic and morality.
This is totally disgusting. It's not something that should even be debated.
Quite the contrary. The world is infested with pornography and people (and especially priests) need to speak more against it.
I wish Dennis would allow Matt to finish his points!
The amount of times he interrupts Matt is maddening!
Well, he made a lot of logical leaps and outright fallacies, so you have to call those out.
I'm a fairly new subscriber to Pints With Aquinas, and I must admit, this conversation has shown me just how sharp Matt is intellectually. Also, it's refreshing to see this kind of content among the many "progressive" Catholic channels on TH-cam, which frankly drove me away from TH-cam for several years. You have given me a reason to come back.
How is Pints progressive?
@@joshuasy10 sorry, I wrote the comment very quickly on a phone so it’s a little unclear, what I meant was - *with so many “progressive” Catholic channels on TH-cam, PWA’s content is so refreshing to watch*
Yes Matt is awesome!
Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles, check em out😊
@@graysonmichael9696 thanks for clarifying
Well done Matt!!! Porn/sex addiction has destroyed my family. It is not something that can happen only privately and not affect others. It is a drug that changes the mind. It is almost always associated with a secretive life that involves lies, deception, deflection, and gaslighting. Ramifications not only affected me but my children also. Life changing and heartbreaking.
Knowledge speaks, Wisdom listens
Wonderful debate, thank you so much!
Thank God for the truth and clarity of the Catholic Church. Well done, Matt.
As Orthodox Christian I might be biased in favor of Christian views but I know a difference between lust and attraction - I'm highly attracted to every beautiful woman but I feel more lustful toward provocative women. Now if the perfect looking women act provocatively I'd be more attracted sexually and that's how provocative behavior and lust are both sinful because like Dennis said, which undermined his argument, it'll drive you crazy to sit in a restaurant and not think about food.
Thank you for speaking up for the truth, Matt. Porn is evil.
If porn is evil then what is fornication / adultery. What is more evil watching a crime movie or committing a crime.
@@viodsa also evil
Censorship is worse.
@@viodsa Both are equally evil in the eyes of God. Enough with whataboutism.
@@Thagomizer So the laws punishing you if you murder or robber someone is censorship now. Banning Porn would not be censorship, it would be the most sane and correct act.
Fantastic intelligent dialogue!! Love it! ❤
I went to Fransiscan University. Wow. I'm glad I stumbled upon this channel. We need more Jewish and Christian debates and knowledge. 👍
For those watching this debate: There was a 6 month period where I lived by what Prager was saying. It completely messed up my life. Fradd is 100% right.
I still struggle with porn and it's been really bad for my marriage. I don't think Prager understands the consequences of his words or of justifying porn.
The jewish revolutionary spirit is always subversive. Thank you so much Matt for standing up to him and take his mask off for everyone to see
Same it's nothing to bragging about. I've said it hundreds of times because I objectively want it to be felt as compelled evidence by my testimony and obviously male. It is 99% male practically. Realistically who suffer more. There's atheists that can seemingly abandoned pornography and realize that it's harmful but I don't know if it's easier or harder for them withought God. But since I've been a 11 year old male pornography up to age 20 has all since then destroyed my life. I've never felt the sexual touch of a female. My mother by proxy of course being brithed and I guess other than my father in moments of procreation. I'm strange but I don't think so. Although sin has corrupted me I realize that Jesus Christ has made me whole..and atheist conservativitism is thievery from and against Christianity! I feel compassionate regardless with any male who *realizes pornography is more than evil but Malevolent!* I'm not a female so I wouldn't really typical care so much because as logically as I think about it..if males consumption of pornography are reduced then actually I automatically advocate for females who also wouldn't become so abused. Nor would males from any human also sexually abused. Amen it's hard to kill pornography. And lust. But I'm gonna do what Jesus CHRIST SAID AND THAT'S TO STARVE HUMAN BODY AND PRAY!!! Christianity is to be taken seriously! I'm no longer willing wanting to exist *withought* Serious Action. And prayer. A shame prayer has been taken out of public school. Indeed a objectively mistake which proves to be true a error. Church and state are harmful. Since thousands Christian churches have closed. Ironically proven to be truly harmful to Christianity. Atheism and islam false. Wether they love it or not. God demands we look for truth. And it's very lame I don't see Giants of Christianity going after the most hateful religious tenants of atheism! Every aspect of human nature has a religion. Atheism is no different..they believe in God the Christian subconsciously and of course because they hate him so easily proven. And also although they acknowledge he exists withought knowing it outwardly with words and thoughts by partly thinking how loving he is. They worship other smaller gods of course. Loki thor movies. Irony is everything bad evil Malevolent and everywhere. Pornography though in the objective eyes of man as it should become a Malevolent goddess of death. That demon will be slayed at which time Heaven will become on earth! Amen!
Then you were not living by what Prager is saying. He's anti porn. You just, as do many uniformed people reading your comment, want to hate him.
@@talostheking8529he may very well. But you cant trust jews, they preach one thing and do the other
What Dennis seems to be ignoring is that behaviors come from thoughts. People don't act out of nowhere. Good job Matt.
Sorry, but that just simply isn't true. Thoughts are not the equivalent to actions. We all have thoughts about doing bad things sometimes but we use our moral agency and reasoning to stop ourselves from doing them. Obviously there is a difference between the man who thinks about murdering someone and the man who actually murders someone. This is why we don't have thought crime legislation; because we recognize that those two things are not equivalent.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER :
1. The person who never thinks about murdering is VERY UNLIKELY to murder.
2. The person who has an intrusive thought about it once in a while is SOMEWHAT UNLIKELY to murder.
3. The person who HABITUALLY FANTASIZES about murder is VERY LIKELY to murder!!!!
@danielcartwright8868 you’re right, I was thinking that when Dennis was talking about how he doesn’t care if people dislike Jews (or other group) only how they treat them- as if fostering those thoughts/views isn’t eventually going to lead to their logical conclusion 🤯
@@BlGGESTBROTHERPlease take time to watch police interrogations of murderers, pedophiles and violent criminals. You will hear the majority of them convey these acts began as simple thoughts, then obsessive thoughts and fantasy, then for some research, then for some planning and finally acting out. It always begins with a thought.
@@kg9409 I went for years fantasizing about murdering an individual, even planning it out in my head. Needless to say, it never went beyond the realm of my mind...
@@kg9409 If that were true, then video games should have created the biggest epidemic of mass murderers in world history.
"you wont find a tag in the morgue that says Virgin" 😂